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  • @ZacharyLoeser
    @ZacharyLoeser ปีที่แล้ว +60

    “How many guys do you think it takes?” Still gives me goosebumps.

  • @TheRokr1292
    @TheRokr1292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +297

    Christopher Lloyd's character here is a real person, Lawrence Lessig, a Harvard Law Professor who actually helped the Republic of Georgia draft their Constitution in 1992

    • @Leto617
      @Leto617 4 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Ran for president in 2016, but announced he was a one issue candidate, campaign finance reform, lost before he got started.

    • @SecretJanitor
      @SecretJanitor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@Leto617 Fun fact, Lawrence Lessig's organization, Equal Citizens, ranked Andrew Yang's democracy reform plan highest of anyone in the field, even big names like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. If you think I'm full of BS, he had it posted on his site for everyone to see (though only a very dedicated few took the time to read it the full way through): www.yang2020.com/blog/restoring-democracy-rebuilding-trust/

    • @mfk5533
      @mfk5533 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@SecretJanitor andrew yang wants you to vote for biden

    • @SecretJanitor
      @SecretJanitor 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@mfk5533 Yeah and I'm doing it. Trump let 200K+ people die to prop up the stock market and Yang might get Cabinet position for Small Business Administration or something like that if Biden wins so gotta at least give it a shot.

    • @MG6960
      @MG6960 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lessig is a boss. love his work

  • @BradyPostma
    @BradyPostma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    1:45 - "A constitutional democracy succeeds only if the constitution reflects democratic values already alive in the citizenry."
    This quote is underrated. This quote is magnificent

    • @wanrazul
      @wanrazul 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What if the citizenry want to government to have more power over their lives? Should the constitution be amended for that? Should it undermine itself?

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wanrazul It says democratic values, not democratic will.
      The constitution should be amendable by supermajority to give government more power, because occasionally society and technology create a new area of life that government needs to manage. But the people need to be so instilled with democratic values, with all the complications and nuances that involves, so they know when to (and when not to) use that amendment power.

    • @wanrazul
      @wanrazul 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BradyPostma The Germans had supermajority and gave the German leader more power back in the 1930s. People are easily manipulated, we can't trust them or politicians with power, IMHO. Modern day examples includes Greece, Turkey, Brazil, Mexico...all have long democratic traditions.

    • @BradyPostma
      @BradyPostma 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wanrazul The Germans did not give Hitler power by supermajority. His party had a tiny faction of power, was allowed a figurehead position in a coalition government, and used a crisis to take unconstitutional emergency powers, including banning opposition political parties. The failure there was people failing to hold their government to their constitution and laws, not a legal reform. And they certainly had very little in the way of a sense of democratic values in Germany in the 1920s and 30s. Britain in the 1810s is a reasonable comparison.
      You don't specify what eras you're talking about in regards to the other nations, but I expect similarly poor adherence to historic realities.

    • @wanrazul
      @wanrazul 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BradyPostma I'd be more secure in a fettered government, rather than hoping in the vigilance of the people. I'd rather have a government that is impotent, than one that is all powerful but betting on the unpredictable mob to hold it accountable.
      On Hitler, they have referendums to legitimize him. His approval rating is high, and was genuinely popular. Same as Putin, Erdogan, Bolsonaro, Xi Jinping...etc. To ensure freedom, an impotent government is better guarantee than a 'good' politician.

  • @ZachsMind
    @ZachsMind 5 ปีที่แล้ว +158

    "Not a set of laws. A sense of the rule of law!" 1:04 Christopher Lloyd's masterful use of the English language is unparalleled, provided he's given words like this to make sound like they resonate down from the ages. I love this moment in this series.

    • @crucisnh
      @crucisnh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Zachs, I think that that quote makes an important distinction. If a country, a people doesn't have a respect for the rule of law, then really what good are laws going to be? You might just end up with the law of a dictatorship (i.e. where the dictator decides what the laws is or isn't). But it's also wanting to live in a country where the rule of law matters and is a respected ideal. If you have that, then you can build the set of laws and move forward.

    • @prospero4183
      @prospero4183 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's like "time" giving a speech. Wish he was in few more episodes

    • @starguy321
      @starguy321 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They sound like they resonate down the ages, because they do.

    • @googoo-gjoob
      @googoo-gjoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      if only the Gang of Socialists understood this.

    • @starguy321
      @starguy321 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@googoo-gjoob if you’re referring to Biden and Co. they understand this better than the Republican kleptocrats in power

  • @TheSuperhomosapien
    @TheSuperhomosapien 6 ปีที่แล้ว +281

    Once you get the constitution up to 88 mph, you're going to see some serious s*it.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah, but you have to learn how to drive a stick first.

    • @emaayan
      @emaayan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      nice you have 88 likes..

    • @Magmoormaster
      @Magmoormaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is probably the best youtube comment I have ever seen.

    • @BitingWaxTadpole
      @BitingWaxTadpole 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Broke me.

    • @hockey1freak
      @hockey1freak 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Constitution? Where we're going you don't need a constitution.

  • @RaggedVentures
    @RaggedVentures 5 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed people can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
    That quote by Margaret Mead is basically the arc words of the whole series.

    • @JavierArveloCruzSantana
      @JavierArveloCruzSantana 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Sadly, we see this with a small group of committed racists in the USA right now. Starting with our Racist-In-Chief.

    • @22espec
      @22espec 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JavierArveloCruzSantana and now another group tells you that... evil can be defeated if good men go to face it.

    • @johndub3866
      @johndub3866 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JavierArveloCruzSantana NPC wanker.

  • @robertlembo
    @robertlembo 4 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    I love Christopher Lloyd so much

  • @TheJimbles
    @TheJimbles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Sadly for Belarus in October 2020... The dictator still stands.

  • @bhays71
    @bhays71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    "Whoa Doc, this is heavy!!"

    • @Buggaton
      @Buggaton 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The 1985 version of "Yeah, Science Bitch!"

    • @SciTrekMan
      @SciTrekMan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Is there something wrong with Washington DC’s gravitational force here?!!

  • @chefbillybaroo2056
    @chefbillybaroo2056 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm always surprised at Christopher Lloyd's complexity I don't remember ever seeing them on West Wing and I think I watched most of the series a really fine actor great producer and great comedian kudos Christopher kudos!!!

  • @pkmatt3
    @pkmatt3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    love the series and the words are exactly the kind that gets craved into stone... thank you, Aaron Sorkin !!!!!!! many many thanks

  • @JustSomeCanadianGuy
    @JustSomeCanadianGuy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    2:19 - "And Mr Zhubukov, well..... he wants the rent."

    • @vasyan123
      @vasyan123 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      You'll get your rent when you fix this damn democracy

  • @bladactania
    @bladactania 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This is, without question, my favorite guest star scene in the series.

    • @bladactania
      @bladactania 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      "how many guys do you think it takes?" Gives me chills.

  • @Limubi1
    @Limubi1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This dialogue on the importance of the rule of law is so excellent. I love it.

  • @rottingcorpse6002
    @rottingcorpse6002 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Christopher Lloyd is an American treasure. So many great guest stars on the west wing.

  • @googoo-gjoob
    @googoo-gjoob 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The *GREATEST* show in the _HISTORY_ of television

  • @JavaoftheLava
    @JavaoftheLava 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "They love the roast beef." Iconic west wing line

  • @Vesperitis
    @Vesperitis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Everybody is talking about Doc Brown but no one is freaking out how Mr Zhubukov hasn't asked Toby for his rent.

    • @williamcostigan91
      @williamcostigan91 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'd be more worried about him highjacking Air Force One.

    • @AjeethRajesh
      @AjeethRajesh 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He'll get his rent when he writes the goddamn Constitution!

    • @davidstefano2709
      @davidstefano2709 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Also how he wants to visit the monolith.

  • @stephenconway2468
    @stephenconway2468 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    One of the most intelligent scenes in WW and there were so many to choose from!

  • @Paul-jz1lv
    @Paul-jz1lv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A lesson all sides of our system seem to have forgotten is that governance is what governments are meant to do. They are not meant to rule.

  • @RandallHallKaizenReiki
    @RandallHallKaizenReiki 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I remember thinking how wrong Christopher Lloyd's character was when this first came on. All these years later and I get it.

    • @MarkLewis...
      @MarkLewis... 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No... he's still wrong. Then, now, and later. I bet you believe "Democracy" and "Freedom" are interchangeable words. They're not... they're antithetical to each other.

  • @Fightforthelost
    @Fightforthelost 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    1:09 and this right here is why I will always love West Wing. Because it's not a 1:1 recreation of how the government works. They don't recreate everything, but they still instill a sense of How a country should be governed. How a government should function.

  • @ashirizly
    @ashirizly 7 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    This is a beautiful scene, about the importance of common values and a sense of the law for a democratic country. The rule of law is based on the belief of the people in the rule of law (much like the value of money). Trying to create a democracy after toppling down a dictatorship, as is common in several Muslim countries of late, depends on creating within the citizenry a sense of the rule of law, an understanding that the laws are only strong when they are respected, and that their strength is needed to ensure peace and growth.

    • @cormacjones12
      @cormacjones12 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Alas the American Republican Party seems to have forgotten those ideals and values of late-so have the people who vote for them

  • @cawsnallthis
    @cawsnallthis 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One of my favorite scenes of the whole series. From tiny acorns, great oak trees grow.

  • @JustSomeCanadianGuy
    @JustSomeCanadianGuy 4 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Christopher Lloyd would have been such a good Leo.

  • @Pringlesman
    @Pringlesman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    56 men signed the declaration of independence.36 men signed the US Constitution.

  • @daveinstlouis
    @daveinstlouis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ever since TAXI, Christopher Lloyd has been "hitting it out of the park" behind the camera and in front. He's had a busy career.

  • @vectorm4
    @vectorm4 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! I had forgotten that scene/ episode. That was a wonderful clip.

  • @PaperbackWizard
    @PaperbackWizard 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I'm a *little* surprised that Toby needs to have this explained to him; and that he doesn't already know who those men are. He's usually a lot more prepared for meetings.

    • @szinyk
      @szinyk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Hmm, good point. I think they probably put it in to explain to the audience. (And it DOES make for a great scene)

    • @antourte1
      @antourte1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Actually I was thinking they were going to have Lessig explain the Nevada case to him, but instead Toby was indeed able to answer his question :) As far as these guys' resumes, I'm assuming Toby knows perfectly well most of their bios, but Lessig was making a point to summarize who each of them were in a way that encapsulated their identities representing ideals suited to become the founding fathers of their new government.

  • @johndoe9450
    @johndoe9450 6 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Holy smokes Doc!?!? What's a gigawatt!?

  • @pauldockree9915
    @pauldockree9915 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Okay. I will play. GREAT SCOTT! Kind regards to Christopher Lloyd and Michael J Fox.

  • @FriscoCatshark
    @FriscoCatshark ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always thought the opening of this clip was interesting. The way he takes issue with the commander not being the one who decides when to go to war is intriguing to me because, in my eyes, that's such an obvious caution to take.
    A skilled commander may also be a warmonger. They may also know that their greatest strength is military prowess, whereas skills like diplomacy, tact, etc. may not be in their wheelhouse. Would you have wanted Trump to be able to declare war on a whim? Needing to have a secondary branch of government be the one that votes on whether we go to war seems like such a basic function that it always caught me off guard how the show uses that as an example of the US ignoring the Constitution. The document ain't perfect, and Lord knows it needs a few hundred corrections in present day, but that's a good passage of it in my eyes.

  • @waynecampeau4566
    @waynecampeau4566 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The whole point is that you need to start discussion, debate, and RESPECT of the opposition for democracy to have a chance of working. Without any one of those things it is doomed. That is why the US is and has been in decline for decades.

  • @willnavarrete6828
    @willnavarrete6828 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love how he ends it with how many guys do you think it takes both knowing there where 8 founding fathers

  • @JohnMinehan-lx9ts
    @JohnMinehan-lx9ts ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If they don't have a common law system, none of that will work and you need something in place now, or other wise it will be arbitrary.

  • @NightingaleSunset
    @NightingaleSunset ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Exactly the reason why Afghanistan fell ao fast. We poured money into the country, propped up a government... but failed to instill in the leadership why these ideas are important.

    • @MohammedAli-hl4mr
      @MohammedAli-hl4mr 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Afghanistan fell because the USA handled the maintenance and supply and funding for the Afghan army and didn’t do a transition to the Afghan government handling those things. The Americans left suddenly without care for the Afghans and left their allies unable to leave to die

  • @samholder196
    @samholder196 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    brilliant scene demonstrating Constitution vs. Constitutionalism

  • @darrellgarrett72
    @darrellgarrett72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Scott!!

  • @jcrodriguez6324
    @jcrodriguez6324 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Getting goosebumps then kinda sad 😞

  • @alexander1955
    @alexander1955 7 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Looks like 'democratic values', ie. respect for the rule of law, needs to be re-discoverd in the US, it having been revealed how much they depends on unspoken norms and values, by the election of a President who respects only direct coercion.

    • @CBGB42
      @CBGB42 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @Jim Dandy 0 to Venezuela in 21 words. Gotta be a new record for the fascists.

    • @robbabcock_
      @robbabcock_ 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      "We"? Fuck Israel- 50 years of suckling at the teats of the American taxpayer are more than enough. No free rides for Jews, either. They wanted their own country, let them man up and fight their own battles. Feel free to buy a rifle and join them, @Jim Dandy

    • @MrJamberee
      @MrJamberee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wtf are you talking about? The rule of law was trampled and shredded by obama and Hillary.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jim Dandy You don't understand any of these topics.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @Jim Dandy Not at all. You repeated gibberish that were crap talking points meant to fall into your lap. I question everything all of the time. And I don't live in the U.S. I'm Canadian. Talk to me about quality of living, life expectancy, happiness etc. The United States of America is not the only democracy. It is not the only country with free elections, private property and liberty. Look at how other western democracies organize themselves and look at the results. Many Americans still believe that angels walk among them. They clamor for a strong man who will impose their will on others to return America to greatness. They eat up this crap and shout crap about Venezuela. Yet these same Americans followed the example of electing someone who had proven themselves populists with no understanding of government and the role it plays in people's lives.

  • @xyldkefyi
    @xyldkefyi 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Considering the current situation in Minsk, this is quite sad...

  • @theowarner
    @theowarner 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    0:12 Toby getting interrupted… so good!

  • @specialoperator8902
    @specialoperator8902 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Holy Shit!!! Jim got off the dope and obviously no longer drives a taxi. Good for you Jim!!!!!

    • @MrJamberee
      @MrJamberee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And he goes straight to the WH.

    • @dspf68
      @dspf68 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      and somehow invented a Delorean time machine!

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dspf68 With clean technology that addresses our waste management systems. I heard he earlier/sooner developed a love of trains.

  • @scourge6563
    @scourge6563 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The key phrase is "democratic values already alive in the citizenry." That phrase no longer applies to the Republican half of the citizenry. And, the question "how many guys does it take" applies in reverse as well, and current events in the US shows that it doesn't take too many to overturn it all.

  • @diegoestrada7798
    @diegoestrada7798 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So well written.

  • @peterjonas4971
    @peterjonas4971 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Well, I can tell that this is going to be a vibrant discussion!" And Toby has to laugh at that.

  • @Calmputer
    @Calmputer 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Mr. Zubatov, well Mr Zubatov went all the way to Jupiter to find out what happened to the Discovery and it's H.A.L. 9000 Computer."

  • @AlasdairGR
    @AlasdairGR 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does the constitution have a clause about rent?

  • @somebuddyX
    @somebuddyX ปีที่แล้ว

    Doc Brown and Mr Ditkovich! What a world!

  • @gu9838
    @gu9838 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    oooooh i forgot or didnt know llyod was in an episode cool!

  • @SciTrekMan
    @SciTrekMan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Geez, how did I not know that Christopher Lloyd guest starred on this show??

  • @googoo-gjoob
    @googoo-gjoob 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    because its the only thing that ever has.....

  • @dirdib69
    @dirdib69 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I always loved the scenes were the regulars encountered a guest character who was as smart or smarter than them.

  • @chriskelly3481
    @chriskelly3481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Such an incredible show!

  • @dlifedt
    @dlifedt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Being from Minsk, this scene didn’t age well

  • @nathanielnewman260
    @nathanielnewman260 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Not to be nitpicky, but for Meyer v. Nebraska, it kinda says you can teach German in schools in the First Amendment. Academic freedom is considered an unenumerated right that follows from the right to free speech.

    • @MrJamberee
      @MrJamberee 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      The state may enact laws prohibiting it. It is not free speech when it is teaching children.-- otherwise, teachers could teach whatever they want. Public school education is state regulated activity.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrJamberee Any public school that receives federal funding must also respect federal protections for individuals. Including the students.

    • @Soldier4USA2005
      @Soldier4USA2005 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@seanwebb605 Except that's not what the 1st Amendment, or the free speech clause, is about.
      Free speech is about being able to criticize the government without being persecuted/jailed for it. Particularly the media, so it doesn't become a propaganda machine.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Soldier4USA2005 Thank you for referencing what you think you understand.

    • @Soldier4USA2005
      @Soldier4USA2005 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@seanwebb605 You got corrected so you make insults???
      Hilarious.
      That just tells me you don't understand the 1st Amendment at all, let alone the Constitution.

  • @DavidBlain4377
    @DavidBlain4377 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never knew Christopher Lloyd guest starred on The West Wing...

  • @wmascolin
    @wmascolin ปีที่แล้ว

    It was really out of line when Tobey told that guy he'll get his rent when he fixes the damn door.

  • @Whippee
    @Whippee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    here from MIT

  • @justinespirit2
    @justinespirit2 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omg it’s Mr. Ditkovich!!!

  • @TehConqueror
    @TehConqueror 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "except as a punishment for crime"
    The US Constitution's "sense of the rule of law" came with it a built in loophole for forced labor.

  • @PeterSedesse
    @PeterSedesse 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Jeez, after January 6th, I wish we could invite some people from other countries to the USA to talk to our Republican party.

  • @iffyAttorney
    @iffyAttorney 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    There is 3 and then theirs us 2.

  • @mitchedelstein
    @mitchedelstein 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Terrible to note that Belorussia is now a horrible dictatorship.

  • @ubercoo
    @ubercoo 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Pay me Government!

  • @DGNYY27
    @DGNYY27 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Season five was dogshit but Mr. Lloyd is a pro.

  • @ironsideeve2955
    @ironsideeve2955 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Lol the US constitution kinda sux, lets be honest

  • @bassmaster867
    @bassmaster867 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    We should stay of of other countries business, and just do business with other countries. China has the best foreign policy!

    • @JavierArveloCruzSantana
      @JavierArveloCruzSantana 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      We'd all be Speaking German or Japanese if we'd followed that advice 80 years ago.

    • @bassmaster867
      @bassmaster867 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Javier Arvelo-Cruz-Santana We fought them because they declared war on us. For some reason the Chinese still speak Chinese for non interference in other nations internal affairs. They don’t export communism anymore.

    • @180190ful
      @180190ful 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bassmaster867 Chinese non interference in others nations affairs ?! That's a sentence full of paradoxes 😁😁😁

    • @marcosmartins7581
      @marcosmartins7581 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very naive indeed...

    • @bassmaster867
      @bassmaster867 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@marcosmartins7581 Americans cry for the lack of so called democracy in nations like North Korea or Iran, but are oddly silent when it's Egypt, Jordan, or Saudi Arabia.

  • @amyavant8265
    @amyavant8265 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The broken algeria previously strengthen because development secondly spare an a statuesque canvas. descriptive, daffy rooster

  • @darrellgarrett72
    @darrellgarrett72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Scott!!