I tried the "wax slug" thing on actual game. I was stunned at how effective they are. In one case, when I shot a feral hog of about 500 pounds, it went down as if hit by a freight train! Another one literally decapitated a 100+ pound Whitetail Deer when I pulled a neck shot.
I have the Hatfield in 12, 20, & 410. The only thing I don't like is the drop of the comb. I put a recoil pad on it, to extend the length, which makes it easier to get a bead on a target. Best $9 investment for the shotgun. Helps 'tame' the 12 gauge down a bit too!
Great video! Thinking about doing the mods you did and buying a 22lr conversion to throw in the go bag with the shotgun.. thanks for all the wonderful ideas!
@@therealbigfoot3076 The Hatfield SGL 28" barrel comes from the factory with a fixed modified choke. The 20 gauge Hatfield youth model comes with 20" barrel that has a cylinder bore barrel. I have the Hatfield SGL 20 gauge with the 28" fixed modified choke that's getting ready to become a cylinder bore barrel when I cut down the barrel myself.
It did good John, I'm a little surprised. Not a bad buckshot pattern. Like the wax slugs. We used "poor mans slugs" similarly, cut the shell nearly all the way just above the brass, and shoot the whole shell out, not that great for barrels but deadly. You ever heard of "strung up" buckshot? My dad taught me that as a kid, tight patterns at distance.
sameold77 I was also surprised with the buckshot, I thought the pattern would be terrible. I've never heard of " strung up" buckshot. Would you drill holes, and tie them together. I want to try it.
I am just wondering why you didn't shoot a slug every time from like 50 yards from each gun with a bi-pod to steady the shot? That would have given you more accurate results between the two shotguns.
Ouch! When you shot the 00 buckshot with the sawed off one, I was thinkin' it was gonna kick pretty hard!! I see you left enough on the trigger guard to kinda keep your finger from splipping off... good idea! the one I looked at in the store was pretty hard to slide back, and I was thinking if I removed all of that "nub" it would be hard to break down. Your mods all look great and seem to be just what you were looking for! Good job!!!
Thank you Chris. I love to tinker with things. There are many differences between these two guns. I suggest looking at more than one of these if youre looking to buy.
I don't believe it's the short barrel but the choke. Love to see the short barrel with choke reinstalled. I'm fixing to build just that. And with rifled sights for slugs
Man that was impressive John be carfull tying that buck shot up it is illegal in some states kind of frowned on by the fish and game. It will really hold it together. The local state warden takes the shot out of shells and fills the wad with hot melt glue to use on bears and moose that get to friendly does no damage but hurts like hell.
Hello and thank you for a very straightforward video 👏 I do have a question do you have a video of how you made those shotgun shells with the wax? Thank you in advance God bless you....
John Capps I completely understand that's the same situation I'm in not many places to hunt so I sight in a few weeks before season then don't shoot anymore until after season because of that
@@JohnCapps Yep! I know your right, I done some checking on having my Hatfield 20 gauge SGL cut down and having the flush mount screw in choke's installed. Time it was all said and done it was going to cost right at $125 bucks to modify it according to the gunsmith. Can't see that for a $99 dollar shotgun.
NLINE7 you may want to check out the Midland “Backpack” shotguns. They’re folding shotguns that can be bought with short a barrel, and screw in chokes for around $150.
Great video, the 20 inch looks factory with the rail and sight bead still on it, I just bought a Hatfield 12 at wally world yesterday, I'm searching you tube for a good way to cut it down, did you cut yours down?
Richard Rathman I cut it with a cut off wheel on an angle grinder. th-cam.com/video/25bMUjYmd0M/w-d-xo.html The front sight I drilled the vent rib, and epoxied it in place.
I got the same Hatfield & already shaved down the trigger guard so it'll close all the way. I been wanting to cut the barrel down to 20 in for a long time but I keep backin out... I rly want to do it but can't make up my damn mind, ahh!!!
TheReindeer TheRabbitTheBat LOL, I know what you mean. That's why I bought 2. Here's the video where I cut mine. th-cam.com/video/25bMUjYmd0M/w-d-xo.html
Shoot the Foster slugs such as example Remington Sluggers through a smooth bore shotgun and Sabot slugs through a rifled shotgun barrel. You can shoot sabots through smooth bore,but it's a waste of money.
always tinkering smaller gauges have less spread increase when they're cut Down than larger gauges, so you can expect your spread to be slightly tighter than his
Giovanni Castro No problems. I fixed the heavy hammer, and trigger. The only complaint I have now is with the trigger guard. The trigger guard is also the barrel release. It has an annoying rattle to it when you're carrying the gun. I had one person tell me the butt stock cracked. They contacted Hatfield, and are getting a replacement.
Yes, I was able to find a video on youtube where the the stock also cracked. Thanks for your video, i really want to buy one but I'm broke right now.. have a merry christmas and happy new year.
Go buy you some Federal Flight Control buckshot and I'll bet you it will pattern tighter than what you were shooting there did out of the long barrel choked gun. Any of the Flight Control turkey or duck loads are the same, will give you good patterns much farther than twenty five yards. Good stuff.
From what I can see the cut down version would do very well as a short slug gun using pumpkin balls for ammo unless you want to get the barrel tapped for a screw in choke to tighten the pattern in and I thought you were shooting a 20 gauge and not a 12 gauge shotgun.
Brett Duffy My suggestion would be to call them, but I guess that's useless if they don't know what you're talking about. I know their website isn't any good for finding firearm availability. I would call more stores. Hatfield model SGL. The store I bought these from no longer has them in stock.
Brett Duffy It depends on the pawn shop. I would think you could find for $100-$125. It might be hard to find one that folds in half, if that's what you're looking for.
I don't care I just got my rights restored I am sick and tired of black powder I am dirt broke. I am so broke I might have to be noting down bird shot into single round ball
I am a Sporting Goods associate at Walmart and I always tell customers to call the store and ask for the Sporting Goods Department if they are looking for a specific gun. If the associate has no idea what you are talking about when you call that means 1 of 2 reasons. They either do not carry guns at that Walmart anymore or maybe they just don't sell Hatfields.
embarado smithing and woodcraft The only video of his I've seen on the subject. He was melting beeswax with a lighter and letting it drip into the shell, then add a few bb's, drip more wax repeat......... I don't think it was ever a solid mass. I've also shot them through a modified choke, and they performed well.
From the factory they have a fixed modified choke. Rick with short lane adapters has a video where he checked it with a choke guage, and it measures at modified.
Brett Duffy That's a big question. Rifled slugs will be fine. Some people argue the modified choke ruins accuracy. While others claim they perform best through a modified choke.
Try Federal Black Cloud, or Prairie Storm with the flight control wad, you'll get a better pattern out of the Cyl bore. They even have buck shot loads with the flight control wad.
2326TX Thanks, I didn't know the Black Cloud, or the Prairie Storm used the Flight Control Wad. I've been looking for some of the Flight Control buckshot, but can't find it.
can somebody give this man a beer and an ice pack too.
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That Hatfield is the real McCoy.
the real HATFIELD!!!
I see what you did there... well done
I tried the "wax slug" thing on actual game. I was stunned at how effective they are. In one case, when I shot a feral hog of about 500 pounds, it went down as if hit by a freight train! Another one literally decapitated a 100+ pound Whitetail Deer when I pulled a neck shot.
That's crazy. And really useful info. Thanks for sharing!
I have the Hatfield in 12, 20, & 410. The only thing I don't like is the drop of the comb. I put a recoil pad on it, to extend the length, which makes it easier to get a bead on a target. Best $9 investment for the shotgun. Helps 'tame' the 12 gauge down a bit too!
thanks for the shooting video. we liked seeing the actual results. very well done
Thank you very much.
John Capps does the sawed off hatfield have a choke
Great video! Thinking about doing the mods you did and buying a 22lr conversion to throw in the go bag with the shotgun.. thanks for all the wonderful ideas!
Boy that buck shot had a kick through that 20"!! Thanks for the vid!
Yeah it did. I wasn't expecting the recoil to be so heavy.
I just bought one I been shooting 24 pellet buck shot out of it and don't hold a pattern worth shit
Important thing about getting rid of the choke is it lets you use flitecontrol wad ammo. Tightens the patterns right up.
BCrafty121 I’ve heard a lot of good about Federal flight control rounds, but haven’t had any luck finding them.
John Capps lucky gunner online. They have 5 round boxes
John Capps here take this
www.luckygunner.com/12-ga-2-3-4-00-buck-federal-8p-law-enforcement-flitecontrol-wad-5-round
Hatfield's don't have a choke
@@therealbigfoot3076 The Hatfield SGL 28" barrel comes from the factory with a fixed modified choke. The 20 gauge Hatfield youth model comes with 20" barrel that has a cylinder bore barrel. I have the Hatfield SGL 20 gauge with the 28" fixed modified choke that's getting ready to become a cylinder bore barrel when I cut down the barrel myself.
It did good John, I'm a little surprised. Not a bad buckshot pattern. Like the wax slugs. We used "poor mans slugs" similarly, cut the shell nearly all the way just above the brass, and shoot the whole shell out, not that great for barrels but deadly. You ever heard of "strung up" buckshot? My dad taught me that as a kid, tight patterns at distance.
sameold77 I was also surprised with the buckshot, I thought the pattern would be terrible. I've never heard of " strung up" buckshot. Would you drill holes, and tie them together. I want to try it.
You got it. Drill the shot and use fishing line to tie them in however big a circle or pattern you wanted. It works.
Thank you you answered two of my questions also thank you for quick response time
You’re welcome.
The one you modified is perfect for bug out defense and survival...
Gareth Hughes It's a very handy shotgun, thanks.
That buck did ok there. Good video John.
BATJAC J.W I was expecting the pattern to be unacceptable, but I'm happy with it. Thanks
I am just wondering why you didn't shoot a slug every time from like 50 yards from each gun with a bi-pod to steady the shot? That would have given you more accurate results between the two shotguns.
Ouch! When you shot the 00 buckshot with the sawed off one, I was thinkin' it was gonna kick pretty hard!! I see you left enough on the trigger guard to kinda keep your finger from splipping off... good idea! the one I looked at in the store was pretty hard to slide back, and I was thinking if I removed all of that "nub" it would be hard to break down. Your mods all look great and seem to be just what you were looking for! Good job!!!
Thank you Chris. I love to tinker with things. There are many differences between these two guns. I suggest looking at more than one of these if youre looking to buy.
So helpful!!!!
Ive seen a little on the wax slugs but have no experience. Obviously they will do the job. Thanks for sharing.
For a 12ga it seems the wad stablizes the load. I've made them for a 410, and they just tumble.
It is a fun gun to modify
Good enough for what it is meant for. ...
Yes, Sir.
Nice follow up. Glad you didn't ruin it. Don't think you'd see small game at more than 20 yards in that brush anyways.
Strangely Jamesly Thanks.
limb saver recoil pad and holes drilled in barrel just back from muzzle on top and sides to reduce recoil will make it much more pleaseant to shoot.
Only drawback is noise. I had a muzzle break installed on a nef single shot 20. Shot 1 time. Noise was excruciating. Sold that one fast
And you can just make cut shells instead of using wax they will stay together for a good distance
I don't believe it's the short barrel but the choke. Love to see the short barrel with choke reinstalled. I'm fixing to build just that. And with rifled sights for slugs
What you have is a short barreled open bore shotty. It will pretty much pattern the same as a 26-28".
Man that was impressive John be carfull tying that buck shot up it is illegal in some states kind of frowned on by the fish and game. It will really hold it together. The local state warden takes the shot out of shells and fills the wad with hot melt glue to use on bears and moose that get to friendly does no damage but hurts like hell.
I've never heard anything about it. I will check into it. Thanks Howard.
Hello and thank you for a very straightforward video 👏 I do have a question do you have a video of how you made those shotgun shells with the wax? Thank you in advance God bless you....
Great job thanks for sharing
hey man good video was wondering if u would mabey try another video tryin different brand buckshot mabey even some 3 inch mags for pattern testing
Tyler Tapp Thanks for watching. Maybe after deer season. I also hunt in the same area, and don't want to be scaring away deer with my target shooting.
John Capps I completely understand that's the same situation I'm in not many places to hunt so I sight in a few weeks before season then don't shoot anymore until after season because of that
i hear old timers used to score around the the side of the shell casing with a knife blade to get that slug effect...never tried it.
I'm convinced of wax shell even in a SHTF situation for both hunting and "zombies"
oh u got two right on bro im thinking about getting another one
ParasidicGeneration Yeah, I got greedy. A week later my bro in law bought a yildiz tk 12. , and I traded one of the Hatfields+cash for the yildiz.
Very good video........thanks......hope the shoulder is ok..........lol
Great vid showing us! ✝️🇺🇸
Pretty cool man.
did the similar job on my 12g...I however did add a "dial a choke" ...pattern held very tight
dean prever Nice!
whats a "dial a choke" and how did you add it?
I like them wax shot , very cool.
House boat Rob They work pretty well. Thanks for the sub.
You could install a Polychoke on the cylinder bore. It would give you a lot of versatility.
kfsrmn That would be a great addition, but it would be hard to spend $170 on a $100 shotgun. Thanks for watching.
@@JohnCapps Yep! I know your right, I done some checking on having my Hatfield 20 gauge SGL cut down and having the flush mount screw in choke's installed. Time it was all said and done it was going to cost right at $125 bucks to modify it according to the gunsmith. Can't see that for a $99 dollar shotgun.
NLINE7 you may want to check out the Midland “Backpack” shotguns. They’re folding shotguns that can be bought with short a barrel, and screw in chokes for around $150.
Nice shooting.
Nathan4071 Thanks, it was a lot of fun.
I found out it gets louder with more flash and less recoil, great cheap gun when I was young.
It sure seems to kick worse with the shorter barrel, I could be wrong. It is much more handy with the shorter barrel.
no John,,,You are not wrong..Shortening the Barrel reduced overall mass weight,which results in more felt recoil..
Great video, the 20 inch looks factory with the rail and sight bead still on it, I just bought a Hatfield 12 at wally world yesterday, I'm searching you tube for a good way to cut it down, did you cut yours down?
Richard Rathman I cut it with a cut off wheel on an angle grinder. th-cam.com/video/25bMUjYmd0M/w-d-xo.html
The front sight I drilled the vent rib, and epoxied it in place.
Interesting! 💥 👍🏼 ❤️ 🇺🇸
I got the same Hatfield & already shaved down the trigger guard so it'll close all the way. I been wanting to cut the barrel down to 20 in for a long time but I keep backin out... I rly want to do it but can't make up my damn mind, ahh!!!
TheReindeer TheRabbitTheBat LOL, I know what you mean. That's why I bought 2. Here's the video where I cut mine. th-cam.com/video/25bMUjYmd0M/w-d-xo.html
You will have a better pattern with federal flitecontrol wads. Good video I enjoyed it.
eddie m. That's what I've heard. I've been looking, but all I can find is the law enforcement buckshot sold in a case of 250 rounds
If you ever come across the 5 round boxes pick one up and try you will be impressed. It's $4.99 a box where I live.
John Capps look at Bass pro shop
Do these shotguns have rifling? I'm assuming not but just wondering if there going to be accurate with a slug
Shoot the Foster slugs such as example Remington Sluggers through a smooth bore shotgun and Sabot slugs through a rifled shotgun barrel. You can shoot sabots through smooth bore,but it's a waste of money.
What's the legal length to which you you can cut it down? It's such a long barrel. I have the 20 gauge sgl.
Kyle Kasten th-cam.com/video/_v5c_p1Uju0/w-d-xo.html
Anyone fire #2 steel shot or slugs on this after chopping barrel? Will it damage the barrel?
very nice
Small Town Preacher Thank you. I didn't know you had two channels.
Good test! I have a 20GA I cut down and I've been wondering how much it affected the pattern. It looks like the answer is noticeable but not bad.
always tinkering smaller gauges have less spread increase when they're cut Down than larger gauges, so you can expect your spread to be slightly tighter than his
Want to do this to the 410 version but not sure how effective the shot will be if I do
What kind of chokes does it take
This may be a dumb question but can you rethread the barrel for a choke?
It's above my skillset, but I bet a gunsmith could do it.
John Capps ok thank you. I am not a fan of a cylinder bore I like a modified.
How did u get the brass bead on the barrel after u cut it down?
I drilled the rib, and epoxied it inplace.
Thanks for the vid, I forgot to ask whats the overall length folded up on the modified version
It's 20 1/4 inches.
Thanks again, how does the safety work on this gun. I was able to pull the trigger with the safety on. Is that normal?
Vinh Tran it's a hammer block safety. The hammer will not travel fully forward with the safety on.
got it thanks again
Mind trying #4 chilled shot. That is what my father used 'back in the day' to kill coyotes off of his tractor. Next time out, could you try those?
I have never used #4. Maybe I'll try it sometime. I won't be doing anymore shooting until after deer season.
With the full-length barrel does it have a fixed choke or use tubes?
Fixed modified choke.
@@JohnCapps can you have some type of Choke installed on the short one? I have one similar to it and would like to try to put a choke in
Spidy Kat the work could be done by a gunsmith. It would probably cost more than the gun is worth.
Can it shoot a slug?
great video... have you experience any problems since you posted this video??
Giovanni Castro No problems. I fixed the heavy hammer, and trigger. The only complaint I have now is with the trigger guard. The trigger guard is also the barrel release. It has an annoying rattle to it when you're carrying the gun. I had one person tell me the butt stock cracked. They contacted Hatfield, and are getting a replacement.
Yes, I was able to find a video on youtube where the the stock also cracked. Thanks for your video, i really want to buy one but I'm broke right now.. have a merry christmas and happy new year.
Giovanni Castro Merry Christmas to you as well.
Go buy you some Federal Flight Control buckshot and I'll bet you it will pattern tighter than what you were shooting there did out of the long barrel choked gun. Any of the Flight Control turkey or duck loads are the same, will give you good patterns much farther than twenty five yards. Good stuff.
ditchdigger93 Thanks for the tip. I just watched a few videos, the flight control rounds are very impressive. I haven't heard of them before.
on the sawed off 1 what did you use for the bead in the front?
Everything Outdoors I reinstalled the original.
John Capps how did you do that does it screw out?
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Rob Dean Thank you Rob.
That had a kick
It's pretty tough. Thank you Dean.
for a single shot you should try Cut shells, way easier than wax
failure2flinch You're right, I do. It would be much easier than making the waxed slugs.
From what I can see the cut down version would do very well as a short slug gun using pumpkin balls for ammo unless you want to get the barrel tapped for a screw in choke to tighten the pattern in and I thought you were shooting a 20 gauge and not a 12 gauge shotgun.
how do you know if your Walmart has this I can get it I called and they don't know what I'm talking about
Brett Duffy My suggestion would be to call them, but I guess that's useless if they don't know what you're talking about. I know their website isn't any good for finding firearm availability. I would call more stores. Hatfield model SGL. The store I bought these from no longer has them in stock.
Do you think I could pick up a single shot at a pawn shop cheap
Brett Duffy It depends on the pawn shop. I would think you could find for $100-$125. It might be hard to find one that folds in half, if that's what you're looking for.
I don't care I just got my rights restored I am sick and tired of black powder I am dirt broke. I am so broke I might have to be noting down bird shot into single round ball
I am a Sporting Goods associate at Walmart and I always tell customers to call the store and ask for the Sporting Goods Department if they are looking for a specific gun. If the associate has no idea what you are talking about when you call that means 1 of 2 reasons. They either do not carry guns at that Walmart anymore or maybe they just don't sell Hatfields.
Longer barrel will always be more accurate
That shoulder hurts just by looking at it.
a cut down barrel is home defense gun, close is better
chokes are not necessary my opinion. my shotgun rocks!
you had a lot better lock with wax than Canterbury ever did and he did a bunch of vids on that 1 topic
I think the wad stablizes the round.
no he couldn't get them to hold to gather would blow apart on exit of barrel
embarado smithing and woodcraft The only video of his I've seen on the subject. He was melting beeswax with a lighter and letting it drip into the shell, then add a few bb's, drip more wax repeat......... I don't think it was ever a solid mass.
I've also shot them through a modified choke, and they performed well.
he did melt the wax and pour it didn't hold either
can you send me a link to the video?
Try slugs John Capps
When you find them
I did find some, but haven't tried them yet. Maybe another video after deer season.
That a crime to cut down a shotgun
no it's not a crime unless it is under 18"
No sir.
I do not believe that comes with a choke systems
From the factory they have a fixed modified choke. Rick with short lane adapters has a video where he checked it with a choke guage, and it measures at modified.
Is modified choke OK for Slugs
Brett Duffy That's a big question. Rifled slugs will be fine. Some people argue the modified choke ruins accuracy. While others claim they perform best through a modified choke.
What would happen if you did it through a full choke
Brett Duffy I've never fired slugs through a full choke.
Try Federal Black Cloud, or Prairie Storm with the flight control wad, you'll get a better pattern out of the Cyl bore. They even have buck shot loads with the flight control wad.
2326TX Thanks, I didn't know the Black Cloud, or the Prairie Storm used the Flight Control Wad. I've been looking for some of the Flight Control buckshot, but can't find it.
www.academy.com/shop/pdp/federal-premium-prairie-storm-fs-lead-12-gauge-shotshells#repChildCatid=334261
looks like they have Black Cloud in stock too
www.ammunitiondepot.com/Federal-Premium-LE-Tactical-LE13200-Shotgun-Ammo-p/le13200.htm
in stock flight control 00 buck
Thanks for taking the time to post the links.
great video, thank you
danhold1 Holdcroftski Thanks, I'm satisfied with the results.