Great video! I’ve had my 955 for almost a week. You’re right about the touchscreen and mapping, but I think (hope) it is software related and not hardware related. I am a distance runner and care more about weight than I do about the touchscreen, but for someone concerned more about navigation then mapping is going to be a huge deal. I have found that lighter Garmins tend to have more accurate heart rate even when different watches are using the same sensor. Inaccurate heart rate data contaminates most other data. Being a Garmin customer can be frustrating since their best qualities are spread across different devices.
Cheers mate! Ahh so it’s not just me then ;) Yeah this can quite easily be fixed in software (how long we’ll wait is another question)… the DREAM is that Garmin’s activity tracking team will talk to the outdoors recreational team and share their software because Fenix style navigation on a 955 would further cement Garmin’s standing within this market and the 955’s hardware can handle it! I too am a distance runner and am really nerdy about the HR data, I’ve had lots of luck with the 7s (47g) with a nylon strap.. super accurate if cranked down nice and tight .. gets into a good position on my wrist👌🏽 The 955’s 41g (a nylon band) feels amazing though, I must admit. Ahh true. That speaker 🔊 feature on the Venu plus is soo cool, Very jealous
Agree with this 100%. I really love Garmin and my Fenix 6 Pro has great software, but its just too bulky when running long distances and the HR is pretty much useless, it bounces all over the place.
@@MrSuperdurden I am a long timer marathon runner too, when I seriously prepare for a race I use a heart rate monitor. I recently switched to fenix 6 from forerunners I have used for almost 15 years, I like it for the build quality and the extra 40g weight doesn't bother me much. I think it wouldn't cost me 1 minute extra for the whole race. I never thought of wearing a fenix, but I think I would stick with it from now.
Yeah you might be better of just sticking with it till now.. Garmin forerunners 45 are so cheap now people could have a “training” watch and a super lightweight “race” watch if they were worried about race times and weight 😍
I just found out that 7s sapphire solar is only a few grams heavier than 955, it is no brainer 7s than 955. On the other hand, I think if we really care about the weight difference, 255s would be the way to go for marathon ensusiasts, 20 grams can really make some differences.
This is one of the best Garmin watch comparison videos. It's hard to believe that other channels review so many Garmin watches, yet have not focused on these issues. This review shows the power of a subject matter expert reviewer, rather than just publishing surface-level product announcements.
Thankyou for the lovely comment ❤️ At the moment I’m so busy with other life commitments and have struggled to put out more content (especially if I’m aiming for this level of detail) but this channel will be going full time in about 2 weeks and I’m looking to balance out the playing field for genuine real reviews! #FullyTested Enduro 2, 255, Apple Watch Ultra all in the pipeline 👊🏽
Nice video, you caught some real nuance stuff here that most would overlook. I think a lot of the "issues" you site here are by design from Garmin since the Forerunner falls into the "fitness/running" category and the Fenix is the flagship outdoor adventure watch. It would make sense for them to share the same firmware but that's not the case. I will say, the lack of double tap to zoom is a bummer! But most of the other features I don't think the average person would notice (side scrolling for example). Keep up the good work!
Hey Dave! Thanks for the comment ❤️ Big fan! Yeah it seems so, I really hope that the Garmin “fitness/running” category team get access to the “outdoor recreational” team’s firmware because I feel like there’s a big market of people who really do want all the Fenix features in a lightweight polymer body. Also there’ll be a lot of people “upgrading” from an older Fenix 6 (which doesn’t having training status features for example) to the 955 and realising there are in-fact quite a few differences. All the best mate 🌟
Yeah, I assume the actual software bugs will be fixed soon (eg: maps) 👍🏽 However, the core differences between 955 and F7 (the Compass for example) will not change unfortunately 🌟
Could not agree more with my man, Chase the Summit! Being the average user, I could not love my 955 more! Wish it had the double tapping for the maps, but stuff like side scrolling is completely useless for me. If I need to dive into data, that’s what the app is for. And I added Health Snapshot to my favorite activities, so it is literally 1 button click to get to. And I have no problem holding the button for an entire 1 second to get to my flashlight. All of these 1st world complaints simply astound me. Again, I love my 955 and wouldn’t trade it!
Garmin's attitude towards software infuriates me. It's so ridiculous that they can't offer a single software suite for all watches and simply differentiate them by the physical features
@@ActiveIdeas And why do the Venu 2 and Venu 2S not have the full running software that the ForeRunners have? The recovery assistance, etc. Their products are so random and not in a good way. Seems so unprofessional to me and makes it difficult for find a watch for myself
Crazy right!? That’s why I felt I needed to put it out there.. you would have thought there’d be more mention of it, most of these issues I noticed within 5 minutes of wearing it.🎥 🌟 Cheers!!
At the risk of repeating what everyone else has already said, it was a bit deflating knowing my 955 is about to arrive but it is good that you have highlighted these failings in the 955. Lets hope Garmin watch this and take note and we see the next batch of firmware fixing some or all of these. Well done. Good review:-)
This is such an amazing video. Currently torn between the two. I bought the F7s SS and for a minute regretted it after 3 days later when the 955 was released. I was still within the return window so not sure what to do. After watching this video, I’m convinced the F7 was worth the extra cash. Thanks for all that you do. Cheers!
Haha, I feel your pain! Hope you enjoy using the F7s, don’t get me wrong.. it’s not perfect but I’ve absolutely loved using it, it’s been my daily driver since it’s release 👍🏽 Don’t get too much FOMO over the 955 training readiness features, they’re in the pipeline for Garmin to pump out to F7 uses (& Epix) very soon and I can imagine many of the bugs will also be ironed out for the premium Fenix range 👌🏽 Ah thanks for the lovely comment buddy, cheers! 🌟
I was in the same boat if you have the money to spend, go with the F7, I have the solar edition in US cost me 850 but I love it, the style the look and it can do everything.
Thanks for a great review... I uses to think the 955 was a Fenix 7 series but in plastic.... Gone is that myth now lol.... I didn't realise there was so much difference in the UI... I've learnt something today... All the best 👍
Very good video, shows you really went into the everyday use of these watches. Other channels (DC, DesFit etc) feel more like reading from the marketing material along some specs and random workout clips. But this here is the stuff that really matters (and can frustrate). If I can’t move the map to the left, it doesn’t matter if it has 240 or 250 pixels.
DC seemed to miss/ ignore these little differences but he really goes into detail on sensors and thoroughly tests the new metrics and has great historical knowledge on how these product lines evolved. I agree that the other guys are superfluous, yet it is still fun to watch 3-4 reviews on launch day. Chase the Summit cares more about the display quality comments on that, while Desfit… well Desfit is just a sight to behold in his epic fitness.
Thanks for comment mate 🌟 Yeah, it’s cool that everyone has their own style.. still trying to solidify mine 👌🏽 Seems I gravitate more towards everyday-user content (day in the life stuff) 🤣
I had the same impression when switching from FR245 to F6s. FR245 had 95% of the functions I use on F6s (I was really only missing LT test), but everything was a little better. Like you could set up really dim backlight for night etc. Small things, but they add up and it justified buying 2x more expensive watch.
Agree with everything you’ve said! They’re all small little things but they add up to be massive in terms of the user experience 🔥 Thanks for the comment Jen ☀️
Many issues have been improved. Any good deals on the 955 are massively worth it! It’s a bargain for some of the second hand prices it’s listed for these days 🌟
Very interesting finds on the difference, nice work. I suspect software updates will clean some of the chunkiness up on the 955. As for the missing features, I wont miss them when I flip from my Fenix to the 955 considering the almost ~30% weight savings between the two. Also agree with other comments that the Forerunning series has always had much more accurate HR monitoring, could be due to less bouncing from the less weight.
Thanks bro! 🙏🏼 Yeah, hopefully clunkiness is not here to stay. Out of curiosity, would you see yourself as a user who would be okay with the 255? Or is the 955 with missing navigation 🧭 features and lack of proper touch control features the sweet spot for you? That’s a fair point about the HR especially for mountain biking. Having tested both the 955 (41g) and 7s (47g) for 10 days I must say I love the reduced weight but the form factor of the 7s is really nice and definitely more comfortable for me. It’s got me thinking I’d love to see Garmin come out with a 955s haha
@@ActiveIdeas I know lots of people who love the S form factor. For me the priorities are: 1) Battery Life 2)HR accuracy 3)GPS Accuracy 4) Altimeter Accuracy 5) Sleep Tracking (which fits into HR accuracy). The maps are neat, but I always carry my phone with Gaia GPS routes when going long/unknown routes. I've had touch screen in the past and just prefer buttons. When I'm on trail its muddy, sweaty and not conducive to touch. If I need to stop and look at a map on my watch in that much detail, I'll just pull out my phone. If cost were one of the factors above I would just go with the 255, but I was less cost sensitive for something I use daily. I've never had solar, but thought it could help augment battery on longer back country trips.
Really useful video. Not often do reviews show such detail. It's amazing Garmin don't do these kind of tests internally before releasing new products like the 955. Good job!
Thanks for the excellent thorough review, the 955 firmware has completely preserved the same shortcomings of the 945 model. And you know what? The ancient model 935 has a quick "Hold Down" button, has a 4-second backlight, and has a strict watchface with a beautiful font. And this incomprehensible harming of Forerunner firmware by Garmin started with the 945 model.
It hurt me to make this video beside the 955 is genuinely the most excited I’ve ever been for a sports watch! So to have it arrive and have soooo many issues really caught me off guard 🤣
Thank you! This is how review should look like. I was about to buy them, but it seems it's like current trend nowadays, to release nice design product but screw up the software. I saw the review from Chase the Summit as they say "in depth", but basically it's just general salesman talk with nice hand gestures not saying much of "in depth" comparison. I think videos like this are very needed especially nowadays when companies are trying to produce crap functionality in the nice coat. Good job!
Thanks for comment Martian! Yeah, I must say, when I really dived in, it really felt like the 955 come up short compared to the Fenix Range in a massive way.. I’m happy with there being differences but when the differences don’t make any practical sense or don’t work it just seems dumbed down for no reason. Luckily the latest update has got this watch more stable but I’m still running into loads of software issues 🌟 All the best
This is why I detest Garmin's business model; you pay extra for software options! It's pure vaporware!! No actual value for money. And the next year you get another iteration with the same hardware but more software functionality. I'm shocked that they haven't gotten around to making the watch out of tempered glass yet (like our phones). That would really accelerate the sales!
🤣🤣🤣 it is crazy! I must admit.. I much prefer the community business model of Coros & Suunto .. if a watch can handle the features.. they stick it on there 🔥
This is really high quality video. Thank you for this! My only question is, have you found that these issues/differences still exist on the newly released F965?
An absolute pleasure my friend! Lots of the software issues/bugs I had have been improved or fixed.. however where the software of the Forerunner and fenix are purposefully different.. these things haven't been greatly improved unfortunately
Very odd, this is the FIRST touchscreen forerunner if I’m not mistaken? Also, howcome Fenix users get to swipe? Do they not partake in sweaty sports too? 🙈 All the best mate 🌟
Saw a lot of videos about Garmin watches. But this none of them had it showing. Glad I bought the fenix 7s ss coming from a FR935, fenix 5s and FR 945. Although the solar is overrated IMO.
Hey Elsy!! Yeah, I was surprised that no other videos went into this! Hope you’re enjoying your 7s SS, I miss mine so much haha! Yeah Solar is abit overrated but I love how it’s the coolest way of hiding the bezel 🙈
I was about to pull trigger on 955. Having seen your review, I am not so sure anymore. Great compilation and a collection of review/comparison points. 👍👍👍
Thankyou for the comment 🌟 I’m coming up on about 10 days now, still finding a lot of weird quirks not mentioned in this video and read some interesting comments of other users experiences too! 👍🏽 Might be best to wait for Garmin to iron this out 👍🏽 if you need a watch now though, I can definitely recommend the Fenix 7 (£575) though.. the 255 seems cool too 😎 I can also highly recommend any of the F6 watches which are cheaper now 👍🏽
Thanks so much for this video! This covers so many details that I'm really glad to know before making a purchase, and I haven't seen these covered anywhere else
I think the clear answer is that the processors are not the same. For that reason the engineers had to come up with ways to make it seem as close to the same as possible by making a lot of tiny tweaks that were hopefully unnoticeable to the user. Explains the battery draining quicker (weaker processor working harder using more power), less responsive touch screen with fewer functions, more separate menus as apposed to multiple functions inside one menu on the Fenix. The forerunner just has a less powerful processor. That's how they cut costs. Still, pretty impressive still that they managed to put so much value in a watch that's half the price or less than the Fenix 7 though.
Good point! 🌟 That could be the reason why… apparently the Fenix 7 has the ARM Cortex M4 CPU with FPU and MPU support. I’m not able to see if the 955 has the same or similar. But It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they had the same processor due to so many established reviewers saying “it has the same insides as the Fenix 7 just in a plastic casing” with the software being built by different departments it’s not far-fetched to question if it’s just a software difference 🌟 Also in the UK the 955 Solar is £550 whereas you can get a base model Fenix 7 for £570 so things get though here.. but yes, much cheaper that the Solar Sapphire models with multi-band 👊🏽 Thanks for the comment Terran 🌟
Yeah, Terran, your comment makes no sense. First of all, the 955 does not use a weaker processor. Second of all, a weaker processor would consume less power. It wouldn't "work harder using more power." Finally, the Fenix 7 doesn't cost anywhere near double the 955. Even when you get the sapphire solar top-end version it doesn't cost double.
An absolute pleasure!!! Haha, same actually, I expected a few minor differences but not this many, and not this significant. This is a 20 minute video but there was still lots I didn’t have time to mention. All the best 🌟
I really do have my fingers crossed 🤞🏽 The 9X5 range is the perfect size and weight for me so I always get super excited about it. I dont think Garmin can afford another buggy release so I’m sure they’ll be more on top of it this time. Either way, I’m saving up 💰 so I’ll be able to get 265/965 on day one and let you all know my honest opinions 🌟
Please leave comments to keep this channel going ❤️ Did you have dirt under your screen or on your HR sensor!? Have you experience swiping bugs? Are you feeling the lack of Fenix Map features that just make sense? Let me know 🌟
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Good review, I changed my mind about buying 955 after watching this. But now I think, why should we compare this two watch? 955 is almost 50% price of Fenix 7, and I think its not 50% worse than Fenix...
See, at first, I also thought this but then I checked Amazon: If you check my description details you’ll see I’ve listed a Fenix 7 for £565, 955 Solar £550.. a 2.7% price difference in UK. Far from the 50% quoted. There’s definitely a greater difference of features than 2.7%…
@@ActiveIdeas sorry then… I didn’t know about that. 15$ difference is nothing, 955 should be without mentioned issue. In my country 955 cost 2,5k and f7 3,5k+, so the difference is noticeable
@@ActiveIdeas can I ask you a question (because you made really honest review I think you can be my watch-authority). I’m thinking about fenix 6 and forerunner 955. What should I buy? They’re in the same price, so biggest difference is touch screen I think
Hey again mate, tough question. If it was me I would get the 955 all day long, especially if the same price. For me, I love the touch screen, love the training readiness, enjoy the occasional ‘health snapshot’, i think there’s a few more activity profiles (will have to double check that), the maps will be amazing (when/if they fix the bugs), HRV tracking during sleep is a golden feature too.. although I’ve only been getting 6 days battery life with minimal training. The Fenix 6 is super tough (not a scratch on mine), and has great battery life (especially if you go for 6X), super reliable (had minimal bugs over the year of using it), had great navigation features but the HR sensor is old and dated now (elevate 3) and as amazing as it is, it’s beginning to feel abit long in the tooth if you’re a nerd like me and enjoy using new technology. Also the F6 takes a little longer to connect to satellites 📡 Hope this comment helps 👍🏽🌟
Lucky me to found this video before purchases 955. I will go Fenix7 instead. I always thought FR 9xx will have exactly features as Fenix. Just need to choose between metal and plastic case. I need to rethink..
Yes, I also thought this.. especially with what a lot of reviewers were stating. Turns out there are more differences than you’d expect! I hope you enjoy your new F7, it’s great!!
Best review I’ve seen. Nothing better than real experience over a review straight out of the manual. Couple of questions. Can all the issues be fixed with a firmware update? Where did you get that watch band shown in the review? Garmin’s watch bands from time to time irritates my skin. This review has made me a new subscriber. Thanks.
Thankyou for the questions Abel! I can’t wait to upload my full “real world” review, lots to talk about! Unfortunately many of my issues with the watch identified in this video will not be fixed by software because they are simply limitations of the ‘forerunner series’ Vs the ‘Fenix series’. I really hope Garmin, one day, change this because I think there is a MASSIVE market for people who want all the Fenix features in a lightweight body. Ahh good question, I suffer with eczema and skin rashes especially from silicone bands, amzn.to/3MOnjZd this Nylon band has been a dream (affiliate link). After having success with Garmin’s UltraFit 26mm band I wanted something similar for the 955 (22mm) and this was it. I’ve used it for a year (on other garmins) and durability, comfort, and weight are all great. Just remember to clean regularly (takes 2 seconds in the shower).
Thank you for sharing and demonstrate FR955's poor menu control & interface. It's touch screen/menu control is not as user-friendly as Venu2 / Epix2 / Fenix7.
My guess is that more firmware R&D time went into Fenix 7 (from a non-touch screen Fenix 6). The 955 is also a big leap from non-touch 945, thus the firmware (adding touch logic and menu, etc.) needs a lot of work, which Garmin has less incentive to work on. I think it would be too good to be true that the 955 only differs in material and build quality from Fenix 7 and almost half the price. I think the touch swipe sensitivity bug is likely to get fixed in future firmware updates. But the UI/menu difference is unlikely.
Hey Harry! It’s a tough one because in the UK you can buy a base model Fenix 7 for about £500-£550 now which is the same price as a forerunner 955 solar so things get a little complicated. To be honest I’ve seen a lot of people now have continued issues with the 955 & random bugs but i definitely think Garmin are a company that listens (they’ve already improved the 955 so much) and I’m sooo excited to see what they do with the Forerunner 965 LTE! ⭐️
Mate, the half baked touchscreen controls on the 955 you highlighted earlier is a lifesaver! I was considering 955 due to cost but after this video Fenix it is…
The Hot Key thing where the Forerunner can't have a programmed back button - Garmin did this with the Fenix 6 and Forerunner 945 too. Annoying. I've noticed too that the shortcuts on the 955 take noticeably longer to trigger than on my old 945. I used the shortcuts on my 945 every day for two years a variety of things (mostly alarms and timers) - and I'm having to adjust to the longer trigger period on the 955. REALLY annoying.
That’s a really interesting observation! Unfortunately I never got to try the 945 but I did think the shortcuts were taking a few more ms than the F7. All the best 🌟
You know what I can’t wait for… The Enduro 2… i hope that’a Garmin’s secret little weapon 🤩 Already seeing some good deals on the F7, In my description is a £575 one (UK Amazon)
Awesome review on the comparing the watches. I'm planning on getting a mid to high-range Garmin. If it just needs a bug fix with software update I would love to get my hands on the 955. Currently Taiwan don't have the 955 yet.
Awesome news! Don’t worry, a positive video about the 955 is coming haha! Although I’m still undecided on wether I’ll keep the 7s or 955.. surprisingly, I’m actually finding the comfort and battery life of the 7s to be better 👌🏽 All the best Jacoby from Taiwan! 🇹🇼 🌟
I hope they fix the touch screen on the maps views on the 955. Maps is where the touch screen should shine (in fact I don't want touch for anything else). Surprised this wasn't mentioned in the other reviews I checked out.
Agree with you mate! I was very much looking forward to using maps on some ultra runs but the maps need to be more like Fenix (and without bugs) for it to be safer and more viable. Cheers for the comment 🌟
Thanks for the great content! About to jump in for my first Garmin watch (currently Samsung user). Looking to do my second triathlon this year (first was without a watch for swimming). Is there one you would suggest for swimming, biking, and running in combination? I was originally thinking 955 but after watching your videos seems to push me towards the Fenix 7 standard. I have a discount code so that difference is about $100 between the Fenix 7 and 955 for me now in the US. It's hard to tell if the value is there for $100 or if I would even notices some of the things since this is my first Garmin.
This is such a tough question mate! Tbh, I think if this is your first Garmin you could get away with using the 955 and you’ll love it.. especially because you know no different. The sell for the 955 is much harder for those who are coming from the Fenix 6 for example who might find they’re actually losing out on features from a “last generation” watch. For swimming biking running 100% go 955 for your first watch, it’s the dream. If you ever seen yourself doing advanced navigation in new environments, don’t mind a heavier watch, need something more durable to bashes/crashes and a watch with a more intuitive software experience I would say spend the extra $100 🌟 The resale value on both is really strong too if you do change your mind 👍🏽 Hope this helps 👊🏽
Thanks for this, indeed good to mention that there are also quite some flaws with the 955... It honestly feels as if they rushed the release and half ported the firmware from the Fenix7 or epix. Mainly the touch implementation is seriously lacking and exactly that is a main selling point of the 955. I have it for a week myself and still do like it, and hope/think most will be fixed with firmware updates but the initial impression is lacking at places unfortunately. (Also battery life is not as impressive here, but that also seems very... erratical. So yes, great potential but not living up to it quite yet.
No problem! 🌟 Yeah it’s a shame that a top selling feature (touch screen) is so limited on the half ported firmware. I don’t think anyone was expecting Apple Watch pinch to zoom features lol but the F7 got the balance right. Ive managed 6 days of light use and I’m at 13% (with sleep tracking for HRV). Yeah the initial impression hasn’t been as magical as I’ve been dreaming of for the past two years, but hey.. we’re getting there 😍
Hey mate, I uploaded a video two days ago called “955 l MAPS | 6 months later”! You’ll be pleased to hear I saw many improvements but it’s still not sunshine and rainbows 👊🏽 Let me know what you think 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas thank you! Just gave it a watch and saved a bit to watch later. Think you've made up my mind about saving for the Fenix. Seems a lot of the features on the 955 are there but the "lite" version of what is on the Fenix. Appreciate it!
Wicked mate! You can’t go wrong with the Fenix, it’s definitely a watch worth saving up for to avoid those “lite” features. Also if you, a friend or family are students, Garmin offer a generous student’s discount 🌟
I live an active lifestyle. I am an avid skier. I do a lot of running and sprinting and hiking. Would you still recommend the F7 over the Forerunner 955? I currently use an Apple Watch 4 and I love it but feel like I would enjoy the features that Garmin has. I feel like I would enjoy the lighter weight of the 955 when running
If you’ve previously worn an Apple Watch have you thought about the idea of the Epix.. you get all the ruggedness of the Fenix, in a casing that’s only 47g with a nylon band that would be about 51g? Alternatively if it’s just between the F7 and 955 I would say consider the F7s Sapphire Solar.. super lightweight, rugged, great battery life, fantastic build quality and a sapphire display to protect it from impact when you’re skiing. The 7s feels less bulky on my wrist because of the small casing size and with a weight difference of 5g more than the 955 it feels just as lightweight 🌟 If you’re on a budget, it may have to be the 955.. still enjoyable to use and perfectly fine for running, hiking etc. Hope this helps mate 👏🏽
Great video. I have just returned my 955 for these reasons, will be ordering a F7 to replace my F6. I also play a lot of golf and the app is somewhat restricted on the 955 compared to the Fenix.
Good stuff! After watching this videos I've learnt some tricks on my 7s. Where did you buy the nylon band for the 7s?I don't find so comfortable the original one.
Glad you learnt some new tricks mate, that’s what I love about these watches.. always something new to mess around with 👍🏽 I highly recommend amzn.to/3aSD6sn (affiliate link) this nylon band, as I’ve used it for about a year and it’s been perfect (no rash, super comfortable and super lightweight 7s is only 47g)! All the best 🌟
A pleasure mate haha, someone had to do it. ➖The F7 is awesome tbh, but if you don’t want that upgrade its probably best to hold fire and keep the awesome tried and tested F6 pro for now - Kings 🌟
Tbh the 255 looks excellent, the training status features at this price point is cool! I haven’t got a 255 delivered yet but from everything I’ve seen online it looks like a massive upgrade and a fantastic option for triathlete too! I did wear the 245 music for 6 months and loved that too, so if you’re not massively in need of the triathlon features.. and not massively sold by the training status features the 245 may be a solid option too👍🏽 worth looking into mate 🌟
Since 255 nowadays got the multisport function now the 955 is much less attractive specially with these problems. The main use of a touchscreen is for the better usability of maps anyway, since these seem to be broken the most differentiating feature between the two is actually a broken feature so the 255 seems like a much better deal.
Hi. I notice that you sway to the Fenix 7s. With these issues and difference what's your preference of the mid size solar sapphire titanium case which stands at 50g. Vs the 955. Mind you here in the US it's $400 more at $900 and the 955 is $500
It’s such a tough question mate! I honestly prefer lighter watches so I was so hyped for the 955.. I was convinced it would be my primary watch, but after multiple months of using it and continued issues with bugs I really would sway people towards Garmin’s more premium models which just feel like they’ve had a little more love. If you can afford it, it’s worth the reduced levels of stress when the watch just stops working for no reason, never had that on Fenix (can imagine Epix and Enduro 2 are just as awesome). Don’t get me wrong though, if you’re looking to save money there’s a lot to love about the 955, at this price point having premium training readiness features is bloody awesome! Hope this helps 🌟
Hey Bence, Thankyou for the comment. The latest firmware update fixed some of The touch issues but I’m still Having problems with navigation 🧭 and unfortunately I don’t think the Fenix features mentioned in this video are ever coming to the 955 👍🏽 Albeit I have not had the 955 off my wrist and I am enjoying how lightweight it is and how good this replacement model’s battery life is; training readiness has also been really fun .. I am starting to miss the Fenix features though and think I’ll either give the Epix gen 2 a go or the Enduro 2 😍 watch this space 🚀
Great video!🤝 I have considered the 955 for it's obvious few newer features versus the Fenix 7 range, and the price point..., but these bugs and nuances would be so annoying....be interesting to see what Garmin's comments are and also maybe follow up in later video to see if resolved.
Yeah, as far as I’m aware.. most of the problems identified in this video will not be fixed as they are a software limitation against the Fenix however the bugs (and hopefully quality control) will be.. not sure when though.. and I’ll definitely be putting out a follow up video
Great video, very frustrating to see how they limit the 955, it is still a very expensive watch. Lack of continuity across the ranges show how greedy Garmin actually is. If you want better software pay even more, even though they could easily fix that with an update. Compare it to the Apple Watch at least the software is exactly the same across all price points. They have nailed the customer experience in that respect. Garmin as usual want to rob you blind! ( I just got the 955 ) I already regret it
Thankyou for the comment 🌟 The lack of continuity is definitely frustrating in this situation, I think there’s a massive market of people who want all the fantastic features of a Fenix in a watch that is lighter in weight. It’s a tough one.. I must definitely PRAISE Garmin for their lack of a subscription model 👏🏽 As frustrating as this is, I’d much prefer this over the subscription locks of many of their market competitors. Yeah the approach of Apple is cool… Coros too… “if the watch’s hardware can handle the software, we’ll give you the features”. All the best mate 🌟
Well reviewed! I'm a Garmin watch owner myself (fenix 5, instinct solar) and It makes me disappointed seeing all this. Garmin makes great watches and they are really expensive. Assuming the price tag it is fair to expect great software and spot-on accurate sensors and top of the line overall quality watch that will beat every competitor along the way. Unfortunately it is not the case. Here is why. First thing - elevation sensor. I'm pretty sure everybody knows that elevation sensor is far from being perfect on Garmin devices and it regularly has elevation spikes within 50m for no reason. I'm not even talking about elevation change when you work out in the gym, which means you are on the same floor, going nowhere. Second thing - heart rate sensor. You would assume that for the price you pay you would get the most accurate heart-rate sensor, but once again it is not the case. It is better then in most other watches, but not the best (watch quantified scientist video for more details). Third problem - software. I'm using instinct solar, and this watch is advertised for hikers, outdoor people and nature enthusiasts. However, for some reason this watch is unable to display a route with 50 or more waypoints (I'm pretty sure instinct 2 has the same limitation). That means that if you upload a long train in hope to follow it through you are guaranteed to lose half of the waypoints when it's displayed on your watch.(or it can freeze and restart which is even better!) Amazing! This is exactly what I expect from the most expensive brand on the market. Fourth thing - algorithms. Body battery - is number your watch gives you between 0 and 100 to display how well rested you are after a night of sleep. I don't know how they measure the score but my body battery is never goes above 30, even though I sleep well, exercise regularly don't smoke and don't really drink that often. And I feel amazing, well rested and annoyed with another feature from garmin, which doesn't deliver.(I found a bunch of people on reddit with the same problem, so it's not just my case.) Fifth problem - sleep score. I'm gonna be brief, it's not accurate. Good things: good gps durability and build quality battery (but not the best) Final thoughts: Garmin makes good watches, but for the price you pay you would expect to get the best watch among others, but it's not the case. Garmin is trying to look the best while being above mediocre P.s. It makes me really annoyed to see price tag for garmin watches, considering that there are watches from other companies which might not be better, but can easily stand out against garmin watches for a third/half of the price. (look up t-rex 2)
Ahh sorry to hear you've had such a tough experience with it all mate. Tbh, I've been using Garmin for nearly a decade now and have always felt spoilt by the technology... it's never been 100% perfect but as they're pushing the boundaries of what a watch can do and pioneering the technology its easy to let them off. I saw a comment today about the new Fenix line costing as much as an M1 MacBook Air haha.. and that snapped me back into reality a bit, it's true the cost is high. On the other hand though their customer services are great (I've had a friend get 4 replacements of their Vivoactive 3 hahah), and I used the Vivoactive 3 myself for around 3 years with no issues. So if you break down the cost over the amount of years you use it and the fact there is no subscription model.. it begins to feel a little me enticing! 🤣 All the best 🌟
Seems to be the FR gets less “proces power”. And the FR 255 is better, simpler and no buggy touchscreen. Overal the Apple Watch software is much more stable then Garmins. Also try to change settings.. it’s a maze. I do prefer Garmin training info and battery life a lot more.
Doesn’t matter how good the processor is if the software is a dumpster fire and I’m honestly not sure which is the case.. if it’s software or processing power. One thing to note is that since i made this video a lot of improvements have been made to the user experience making it actually usable haha. Although the experience is still worlds apart from the Fenix 👊🏽 Agreed though, I love the battery life and training info.. at the moment I’m testing Coros and Suunto and must admit I extremely miss training metrics.. I felt at home with them, lots of extremely valuable data 🌟
Thank you, glad I came across this video a true user experience is what I prefer to see. I was very tempted by the 955 and now I've seen this it's definitely put me off it and the fenix 7 im now more sold on.
@@ActiveIdeas I haven't bought anything yet, I'm still on the fence, I have the Samsung galaxy watch 4 classic and its great but its now between the Epic 2 and the Fenix 7x...
As much as I love the Fenix 7X (arguably the best Garmin Watch) I do think it may be a little too bulky for CrossFit.. Now you’ve said that I would sway you towards the Epix Gen 2 👍🏽 That beautiful screen will be great for hiking too if using maps 😍 all the best
Thank you so much for bringing up all hidden bugs, Hope forerunner team should come back from pandemic fatigue and fix all these stupid bugs asap, I am really not sure I will trust forerunner team anymore, very annoying though, honestly I should go to coros and stop buying Garmins
It’s a tough one, Garmin will always have a special place in my heart and tbh, even with all the bugs, the features that Garmin’s have Vs Coros are just non-comparable. But yeah, fair comment about the forerunner team. They had a great vision but the watch the public got does feel to me very subpar, slightly more unpolished than we’ve come to expect especially considering how fantastic the Fenix, Epix & Enduro product lines are 👍🏽 To be honest, even the 255 feels fantastic and that’s a forerunner 🌟
A pleasure mate! Sleep is not better on the F7 in terms of features. But in terms of reliability I’ve never had it miss a sleep or have data missing. Both can not detect naps. Customisation Is a millions times better on f7… it shouldn’t be, but it is 👍🏽 All the best 🌟
This video is really helpful, at frist i'm torn between Fenix7s sapphire solar bronze or the way cheaper fr 955 solar. After watching this video, my mind is made up, fenix7s sapphire bronze it is. Thanks mate!
I think both are great watches but serve different purposes. For all day comfort I think I preferred the 7s because of its smaller casing however for sleeping I’m swaying towards the 955 because of how lightweight it is.. tbh I forget it’s on my wrist during the night which is a massive bonus because it means I can collect training readiness data
Hi. What do you think of the Fenix 6 pro, is it still worth buying? I've seen quite a few reviews on GPS and heart rate issues. I generally need something resistant to training in the gym and cycling. The price of the 6pro is fine now, but does it make sense to pack your money in a watch with old sensors?
Hey mate, thanks for the comment! It’s funny you ask this I’m actually half way through filming a video “Garmin’s best watches of 2022” and in my opinion the Fenix 6X pro Solar titanium is one of the best feature rich and value for money purchases you can make. I did have some issues with GPS when under heavily forested areas or tall buildings.. what would happen is that the “current pace” would sometimes be 1 to 2 minutes off.. I didn’t mind because when I finished the activity the actual gps track and pace would have been corrected. For most activities and especially road running “current pace” would be fine. I’m terms of the Heart rate I upgraded from the vivoactive 3 and saw that the Fenix 6X pro Solar titanium was a massive improvement in heart rate.. rarely would it be wrong and it wouldn’t struggle to lock on on really cold days like my older VA3. I must mention that I always used the F6Xpro with a nylon band so I was able to get a really good fit and would recommend you do the same for more accuracy. Whilst the Fenix 7 have elevate 4 I wouldn’t say the advancements are ground breaking and most series athletes will still be using a heart rate strap for true data. I say GO FOR IT, as long as you don’t mind not having a touch screen 👍🏽 Also look on eBay for ‘Fenix 6X pro Titanium Solar’ as this is one of Garmin’s best ever made watches 👊🏽 All the best 🌟
Thanks for the comment mate that’s appreciated. Tough question to answer without making another video.. some of the software bugs have been ironed out, but then I’ve ran into other issues instead, overall the watch’s software is more stable .. but none of the differences with the Fenix have been ported to the 955 yet 👌🏽
@@ActiveIdeas thank you so much for your response. I just ordered the Garmin fr 955 and this was helpful... I like that Garmin does regular updates to fix these bugs kudos to them
Great comparison, thank you. I think it is quite disappointing that Garmin segments shared software feature sets and performance between models. The compass is a good example. That doesn't really cut it anymore in this era of Apple Watch and iPhone. It's not like Apple has a different compass app on the Mini vs Pro iPhone. Garmin would do very well to consolidate their "Garmin OS" to one team so that the core experience is shared across the hardware lines. I feel like that would also modernize their programming effort, but what do I know! It would also make for a consistent experience for users.
What a fantastic comment! 🌟 I agree, I'm a big fan of Garmin, but in 2022 and of all the watches that could have had serious issues, it was the mythical 955 that we all dreamed of. The iPhone Mini vs Pro is a good example actually, I might steal that for the full review ;) Yeah, maybe a consolidation of the Garmin OS is needed. I rave about the Fenix 7s sapphire solar in this video... but it isn't without its issues too and also has heavily fallen victim to "Garmin OS". All the best mate! 🌟
The maps are definitely usable now. I would trust them for racing and following a uploaded GPX course (this would previously cause the Watch to crash) but I still stand by my word that the Fenix 7, Epix & Enduro are a far superior way to interact with the maps. If I get lost.. I’d want a Fenix on my wrist 🌟 It’s an enjoyable experience on these devices where something about the 955 software just seem impractical. Hope this helps mate 🌟
Thanks for this. My older model Forerunner 645 just broke and was wondering whether or not to go with the 955 solar or the 7x Solar Sapphire as a replacement. Think I’ll do the 7x for all these added nuanced features
A pleasure mate! What lovely weather it is for a pint too!! 🍻 Highly recommend the Fenix 7.. got a link in my description to a £575 Fenix 7 (base model but far superior to this)! At that price it’s currently hard to recommend the £550 955 solar in this present moment 👍🏽 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas To be honest, the Fenix seems a little 'bulky' for what I want. I liked the slimmer profile of the Forerunner but some of these issues are a bit much for me. Whether they can or will be sorted by software updates, who knows. The sleep tracking is a big thing for me. While no watch will be on par with laboratory conditions, I'm fairly happy with my Galaxy Watch 3 sleep tracking so any new device would need to be equal or better to that. The watch face issue surprised me though. I would've thought there'd at least be some faces out there that weren't an issue? I'm quite fussy with watch faces though and scroll past 98% of the Galaxy store. Connect IQ is even worse but there are some that tick my boxes, just not many. Anyway thanks for this video. As another viewer said, DCs, Des's etc videos are all good & have their place but some times we need to know the daily irritations these watches will present before we hand over our hard earned & you did that well.
Sounds like we’re looking for something similar.. super lightweight and PACKED full of features haha.. but yeah, even for me the limitations and daily irritations were just a little too much. Thankyou every every word mates. Cheers 🍻
I think the 955 is a watch to run and for marathons, etc. The function to run and tria is more important than function to touch. And never see a Pro with a Fenix 7. Pros goes for 955.
Yeah.. I think the best running watch is probably the 255.. it’s sooo lightweight and if you don’t want the extra features then no point spending hundreds more for a touch screen. Yeah, I see a lot of ultra running pros with the Enduro 2 but it’s like a whole new sport within its self where battery life is so important 🔥
Hi mate, really relate to what you said at the end. I can’t decide between the 7 Pro or 955/255. I really think the flashlight would be useful but long term can I stick the weight of the Fenix. What would be your thoughts?
Hey Tom! I’m super fussy about the weight of watches! having tested the Fenix 7 Pro (check the video on my channel) I can honestly say that when paired with a nylon band it’s actually quite comfortable to use 🔥 It’s nice having the added durability that the Fenix comes with too and the flashlight is a game changer. I would say AVOID the 255, get the 955 if you’re on a budget and hop off the fence and go for the Fenix 7 Pro if you have the money (you won’t regret it) best wishes mate 💫
I love DC Rainmaker, he’s also a smart dude. More broadly, the fitness community have been waiting a long time for 955, many tech reviewers have hyped up the dream of it too so when it’s finally been released I’m not surprised if the industry has been reluctant to share their honest frustrations (I guess it potentially doesn’t help that many reviewers get the ‘prototype’ units for free too haha). Although, in terms of longevity, their videos may stand the test of time where mine could be knocked out of date with a software update (although I doubt it because Garmin need to work on A LOT to make this worthy of the “F7 in a polymer body” title that so many proclaim). So much potential :/ Let’s see how this plays out 👌🏽🌟
Yeah, I’m not sure where it’s referring to me doing a deep dive comparison between the two. But haters gonna hate apparently. I do lots of deep dive comparisons between units that go into extreme details, but simply haven’t had the time to do this one yet. However, ultimately, while these are similar products for some people, they are different products by different teams and have different priorities. Thus, while it’s easy to show all the little tidbits missing from the Fenix 7 on the 955, it’s also notable to show all the currently missing 955 features from a Fenix 7. Which is actually a much bigger gap.
@@Dcrainmaker Cheers for the comment Ray! 👑Let it be clear.. No hate, just love for you and a tone of respect for your years worth of content that I've enjoyed and been inspired by tbh👌🏽 But yeah, I agree with what you've said there, I look forward to seeing your video if you get time to make it. The differences shown in this video were more in my user case scenario and I found it hard to balance 'what matters to me' compared to the general public within that. But ultimately these are not the videos I enjoy making (Im a massive Garmin fan and was ready to RAVE about the 955), but just felt someone needed to put this out there as there's not much review content showing some of the problems users could face if they're transitioning from Fenix 6/7 to 955. All the best 🌟
I’m very thankful for this review! The absurd touch screen handicaps of the 955 will probably make me buy a fenix. I’m currently on a 245 and just want a watch with nice map capability. @active ideas: I don’t think your used case is very niche. At least it fits my used case exactly. And although I also watch the main TH-camrs reviews they are certainly mostly the same just from 3 different dudes (which I all like don’t get me wrong ;)🎉 happy holidays!
There are lots!! Many that some users may find frustrating if transitioning. I would LOVE to make this video but unfortunately I do not have the funds as I buy all the watches myself. The Epix certainly does look stunning.
Great review, I keep getting some random HR spikes while sleeping, resting etc triggering the abnormal hr alert, it's panicked me a couple of times so I've connected my polar h10 strap to confirm that it's not me, it's having a massive effect on my training readiness, recovery metrics too.... Was wondering if it's dust or a duff firmware version.... Thanks for the video.
Oh man, that’s interesting! I would have to use this watch a little longer than a few days to see how the HR performed (I have some initial thoughts but will keep on monitoring), I’ve seen some sustained higher than normal HR readings but I ran my first 100mi ultra a few weeks back so could just be recovery/spikes from that 🤣 To the second part you said: If it’s an issue with the watch then my guess is more likely firmware. If you can’t see any visible dust blocking light (like on mine) you should be good and it is 99.9% probably software. It can’t be hardware because the elevate 4 sensor has proved itself on different weighted (grams) watches to be pretty awesome tbf. Hope this helps 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas Cheers for your response and well done on the ultra 💪💪 Garmin have changed their firmware updates to monthly? Does that mean on new products we'll have to wait a month to fix certain bugs or will they push them through to Please us customers? Thanks again.
No worries mate and ahh thanks! That’s a good question, the left swipe issue and issues with maps seem pretty major to me so hopefully Garmin push out an earlier bug fix… but are Garmin even aware of it though, is the question? (And if they are why did they allow it) 😉
They do indeed.. hotkeys are limited to only a few combinations though which usually involve holding buttons and I find a lot of these combinations can interfere with the UI.. the double tab light button is the best way to activate the torch (the same as Fenix) so I hope Garmin one day allows us to customise the double tab for buttons 🌟 Thanks for the comment lad 👊🏼
That's awesome. I've been wondering what the differences are between these two watches and got everything. I got Fenix 7x and I was wondering how can I see the last charge event.
Oh man, I hope you’re loving your 7X.. what a beast of a watch! I actually have the Enduro 2 review dropping in a few days so stay tuned! For the last charge event widget you’ll need to download the ConnectIQ app for your phone.. this is basically Garmin’s App Store where you download more watch faces, applications or in this case widgets.. in the search bar type in ‘Battery Widget’ and it’ll be the first thing that pops up.. it’s free to download and safe (approved by Garmin) 👍🏽
Initial software quality is a massive issue at Garmin, but hopefully this dust inside the sensors is just a fluke. I'd really like to see another review in 6 months to see what was fixed 🙂
@@ActiveIdeas solar isn’t really useful in the Netherlands and neither the UK. Also the base Fenix doesn’t offer all functions the FR955 has. Having 16GB for example reduces the Fenix 7 base for maps + music.
There has been lots of updates, I did do a “6 months later” video and I think even since then there’s been updates as well but I’ve since moved on to the 965 models for testing 🌟
calibrating the compas on the 955 is super easy, just push and hold the middle button on the right and you have the compas options. Also you forget to mention that the Fenix 7 costs 200 to 300€ more the the 955. With the toucscreen I do not have any problems, even with a screenprotector. maybe your device is broken.
I bought another 955 and have the exact same bugs… I think anyone saying they aren’t experiencing glitches probably aren’t using all the touch features the 955 has to offer (or maybe don’t know how smooth a Garmin touch screen can be) 🤣 Also in the UK you can buy a F7 for £575 on Amazon which means there’s only a £15 (17.40€) price difference 👍🏽 I do mention you can calibrate the compass 🧭 from accessing settings but it just seems more intuitive on the F7. Thanks for the comment mate, all the best 🌟
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Great video! I’ve had my 955 for almost a week. You’re right about the touchscreen and mapping, but I think (hope) it is software related and not hardware related. I am a distance runner and care more about weight than I do about the touchscreen, but for someone concerned more about navigation then mapping is going to be a huge deal. I have found that lighter Garmins tend to have more accurate heart rate even when different watches are using the same sensor. Inaccurate heart rate data contaminates most other data. Being a Garmin customer can be frustrating since their best qualities are spread across different devices.
Cheers mate! Ahh so it’s not just me then ;) Yeah this can quite easily be fixed in software (how long we’ll wait is another question)… the DREAM is that Garmin’s activity tracking team will talk to the outdoors recreational team and share their software because Fenix style navigation on a 955 would further cement Garmin’s standing within this market and the 955’s hardware can handle it! I too am a distance runner and am really nerdy about the HR data, I’ve had lots of luck with the 7s (47g) with a nylon strap.. super accurate if cranked down nice and tight .. gets into a good position on my wrist👌🏽 The 955’s 41g (a nylon band) feels amazing though, I must admit.
Ahh true. That speaker 🔊 feature on the Venu plus is soo cool, Very jealous
Agree with this 100%. I really love Garmin and my Fenix 6 Pro has great software, but its just too bulky when running long distances and the HR is pretty much useless, it bounces all over the place.
@@MrSuperdurden I am a long timer marathon runner too, when I seriously prepare for a race I use a heart rate monitor. I recently switched to fenix 6 from forerunners I have used for almost 15 years, I like it for the build quality and the extra 40g weight doesn't bother me much. I think it wouldn't cost me 1 minute extra for the whole race. I never thought of wearing a fenix, but I think I would stick with it from now.
Yeah you might be better of just sticking with it till now.. Garmin forerunners 45 are so cheap now people could have a “training” watch and a super lightweight “race” watch if they were worried about race times and weight 😍
I just found out that 7s sapphire solar is only a few grams heavier than 955, it is no brainer 7s than 955. On the other hand, I think if we really care about the weight difference, 255s would be the way to go for marathon ensusiasts, 20 grams can really make some differences.
This is one of the best Garmin watch comparison videos. It's hard to believe that other channels review so many Garmin watches, yet have not focused on these issues. This review shows the power of a subject matter expert reviewer, rather than just publishing surface-level product announcements.
Thankyou for the lovely comment ❤️ At the moment I’m so busy with other life commitments and have struggled to put out more content (especially if I’m aiming for this level of detail) but this channel will be going full time in about 2 weeks and I’m looking to balance out the playing field for genuine real reviews! #FullyTested Enduro 2, 255, Apple Watch Ultra all in the pipeline 👊🏽
Is all that fixed with software updates now?
More videos out now mate 👊🏽🌟
Nice video, you caught some real nuance stuff here that most would overlook. I think a lot of the "issues" you site here are by design from Garmin since the Forerunner falls into the "fitness/running" category and the Fenix is the flagship outdoor adventure watch. It would make sense for them to share the same firmware but that's not the case. I will say, the lack of double tap to zoom is a bummer! But most of the other features I don't think the average person would notice (side scrolling for example). Keep up the good work!
Hey Dave! Thanks for the comment ❤️ Big fan! Yeah it seems so, I really hope that the Garmin “fitness/running” category team get access to the “outdoor recreational” team’s firmware because I feel like there’s a big market of people who really do want all the Fenix features in a lightweight polymer body. Also there’ll be a lot of people “upgrading” from an older Fenix 6 (which doesn’t having training status features for example) to the 955 and realising there are in-fact quite a few differences. All the best mate 🌟
I reckon all of this “problems” will be sorted in a later update. The touch functions was not great on the Fenix 7 at launch was not great.
Yeah, I assume the actual software bugs will be fixed soon (eg: maps) 👍🏽 However, the core differences between 955 and F7 (the Compass for example) will not change unfortunately 🌟
Could not agree more with my man, Chase the Summit! Being the average user, I could not love my 955 more! Wish it had the double tapping for the maps, but stuff like side scrolling is completely useless for me. If I need to dive into data, that’s what the app is for. And I added Health Snapshot to my favorite activities, so it is literally 1 button click to get to. And I have no problem holding the button for an entire 1 second to get to my flashlight. All of these 1st world complaints simply astound me. Again, I love my 955 and wouldn’t trade it!
So which watch do you recommend? I just bought the 955 but should o go back and exchange for the Fenix 7?
Garmin's attitude towards software infuriates me. It's so ridiculous that they can't offer a single software suite for all watches and simply differentiate them by the physical features
It does seem silly. Especially when there’s no reason why the 955 can’t handle those richer software experiences 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas And why do the Venu 2 and Venu 2S not have the full running software that the ForeRunners have? The recovery assistance, etc. Their products are so random and not in a good way. Seems so unprofessional to me and makes it difficult for find a watch for myself
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I guess you are the only one on youtube who made real, unsponsored comparison between those models
🤫🤫 Hope you enjoyed the video Mikhail! 🌟
Wow, I´ve watched manymany videos about the new Garmin Forerunners and no one talks about these things. Wtf... Great video, very useful indeed.
Crazy right!? That’s why I felt I needed to put it out there.. you would have thought there’d be more mention of it, most of these issues I noticed within 5 minutes of wearing it.🎥 🌟 Cheers!!
At the risk of repeating what everyone else has already said, it was a bit deflating knowing my 955 is about to arrive but it is good that you have highlighted these failings in the 955. Lets hope Garmin watch this and take note and we see the next batch of firmware fixing some or all of these. Well done. Good review:-)
Thankyou for the lovely comment! I feel the same way, hopefully they take note :) 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas Have they fixed it now?
This is such an amazing video. Currently torn between the two. I bought the F7s SS and for a minute regretted it after 3 days later when the 955 was released. I was still within the return window so not sure what to do. After watching this video, I’m convinced the F7 was worth the extra cash. Thanks for all that you do. Cheers!
Haha, I feel your pain! Hope you enjoy using the F7s, don’t get me wrong.. it’s not perfect but I’ve absolutely loved using it, it’s been my daily driver since it’s release 👍🏽 Don’t get too much FOMO over the 955 training readiness features, they’re in the pipeline for Garmin to pump out to F7 uses (& Epix) very soon and I can imagine many of the bugs will also be ironed out for the premium Fenix range 👌🏽 Ah thanks for the lovely comment buddy, cheers! 🌟
I was in the same boat if you have the money to spend, go with the F7, I have the solar edition in US cost me 850 but I love it, the style the look and it can do everything.
Oh yeah! 🌟
It is still probably most valuable video of FR955 on the internet
This means a lot to me ❤️ Thankyou 🌟
Thanks for a great review... I uses to think the 955 was a Fenix 7 series but in plastic.... Gone is that myth now lol.... I didn't realise there was so much difference in the UI...
I've learnt something today...
All the best 👍
I also used to think this which is why it caught me off guard! Haha, absolutely myth-busted! ;) Glad I could help mate, all the best 🌟
Very good video, shows you really went into the everyday use of these watches. Other channels (DC, DesFit etc) feel more like reading from the marketing material along some specs and random workout clips. But this here is the stuff that really matters (and can frustrate). If I can’t move the map to the left, it doesn’t matter if it has 240 or 250 pixels.
Severely underrated comment mate!
Thankyou for the comments 👏🏽 🌟
DC seemed to miss/ ignore these little differences but he really goes into detail on sensors and thoroughly tests the new metrics and has great historical knowledge on how these product lines evolved.
I agree that the other guys are superfluous, yet it is still fun to watch 3-4 reviews on launch day. Chase the Summit cares more about the display quality comments on that, while Desfit… well Desfit is just a sight to behold in his epic fitness.
Thanks for comment mate 🌟 Yeah, it’s cool that everyone has their own style.. still trying to solidify mine 👌🏽 Seems I gravitate more towards everyday-user content (day in the life stuff) 🤣
I had the same impression when switching from FR245 to F6s. FR245 had 95% of the functions I use on F6s (I was really only missing LT test), but everything was a little better. Like you could set up really dim backlight for night etc. Small things, but they add up and it justified buying 2x more expensive watch.
Agree with everything you’ve said! They’re all small little things but they add up to be massive in terms of the user experience 🔥 Thanks for the comment Jen ☀️
have any of these bugs on 955 improved in the past year? Wondering if its actually processing power that holds it back a little with the UI
Many issues have been improved. Any good deals on the 955 are massively worth it! It’s a bargain for some of the second hand prices it’s listed for these days 🌟
the best video of the comparison between fenix and forerunner
We agree 😉🔥
Very interesting finds on the difference, nice work. I suspect software updates will clean some of the chunkiness up on the 955. As for the missing features, I wont miss them when I flip from my Fenix to the 955 considering the almost ~30% weight savings between the two. Also agree with other comments that the Forerunning series has always had much more accurate HR monitoring, could be due to less bouncing from the less weight.
Thanks bro! 🙏🏼 Yeah, hopefully clunkiness is not here to stay. Out of curiosity, would you see yourself as a user who would be okay with the 255? Or is the 955 with missing navigation 🧭 features and lack of proper touch control features the sweet spot for you? That’s a fair point about the HR especially for mountain biking. Having tested both the 955 (41g) and 7s (47g) for 10 days I must say I love the reduced weight but the form factor of the 7s is really nice and definitely more comfortable for me. It’s got me thinking I’d love to see Garmin come out with a 955s haha
@@ActiveIdeas I know lots of people who love the S form factor. For me the priorities are: 1) Battery Life 2)HR accuracy 3)GPS Accuracy 4) Altimeter Accuracy 5) Sleep Tracking (which fits into HR accuracy). The maps are neat, but I always carry my phone with Gaia GPS routes when going long/unknown routes. I've had touch screen in the past and just prefer buttons. When I'm on trail its muddy, sweaty and not conducive to touch. If I need to stop and look at a map on my watch in that much detail, I'll just pull out my phone. If cost were one of the factors above I would just go with the 255, but I was less cost sensitive for something I use daily. I've never had solar, but thought it could help augment battery on longer back country trips.
Really useful video. Not often do reviews show such detail. It's amazing Garmin don't do these kind of tests internally before releasing new products like the 955. Good job!
Thankyou for the lovely comment mate! Can’t wait to upload many more reviews! 🤩 It’s those little details that count 💪🏽
Thanks for the excellent thorough review, the 955 firmware has completely preserved the same shortcomings of the 945 model.
And you know what? The ancient model 935 has a quick "Hold Down" button, has a 4-second backlight, and has a strict watchface with a beautiful font.
And this incomprehensible harming of Forerunner firmware by Garmin started with the 945 model.
It hurt me to make this video beside the 955 is genuinely the most excited I’ve ever been for a sports watch! So to have it arrive and have soooo many issues really caught me off guard 🤣
Thank you! This is how review should look like. I was about to buy them, but it seems it's like current trend nowadays, to release nice design product but screw up the software. I saw the review from Chase the Summit as they say "in depth", but basically it's just general salesman talk with nice hand gestures not saying much of "in depth" comparison. I think videos like this are very needed especially nowadays when companies are trying to produce crap functionality in the nice coat. Good job!
Thanks for comment Martian! Yeah, I must say, when I really dived in, it really felt like the 955 come up short compared to the Fenix Range in a massive way.. I’m happy with there being differences but when the differences don’t make any practical sense or don’t work it just seems dumbed down for no reason. Luckily the latest update has got this watch more stable but I’m still running into loads of software issues 🌟 All the best
This is why I detest Garmin's business model; you pay extra for software options! It's pure vaporware!! No actual value for money. And the next year you get another iteration with the same hardware but more software functionality. I'm shocked that they haven't gotten around to making the watch out of tempered glass yet (like our phones). That would really accelerate the sales!
🤣🤣🤣 it is crazy! I must admit.. I much prefer the community business model of Coros & Suunto .. if a watch can handle the features.. they stick it on there 🔥
This is really high quality video. Thank you for this! My only question is, have you found that these issues/differences still exist on the newly released F965?
An absolute pleasure my friend! Lots of the software issues/bugs I had have been improved or fixed.. however where the software of the Forerunner and fenix are purposefully different.. these things haven't been greatly improved unfortunately
FR functions are usually taps than swipe due to made for runners, sweaty hands is quite annoying if you have to swipe.
Very odd, this is the FIRST touchscreen forerunner if I’m not mistaken? Also, howcome Fenix users get to swipe? Do they not partake in sweaty sports too? 🙈 All the best mate 🌟
Saw a lot of videos about Garmin watches. But this none of them had it showing. Glad I bought the fenix 7s ss coming from a FR935, fenix 5s and FR 945. Although the solar is overrated IMO.
Hey Elsy!! Yeah, I was surprised that no other videos went into this! Hope you’re enjoying your 7s SS, I miss mine so much haha! Yeah Solar is abit overrated but I love how it’s the coolest way of hiding the bezel 🙈
I was about to pull trigger on 955. Having seen your review, I am not so sure anymore. Great compilation and a collection of review/comparison points. 👍👍👍
Thankyou for the comment 🌟 I’m coming up on about 10 days now, still finding a lot of weird quirks not mentioned in this video and read some interesting comments of other users experiences too! 👍🏽 Might be best to wait for Garmin to iron this out 👍🏽 if you need a watch now though, I can definitely recommend the Fenix 7 (£575) though.. the 255 seems cool too 😎 I can also highly recommend any of the F6 watches which are cheaper now 👍🏽
This video had some info in it about my new Fenix 7 that I hadn't discovered, and it was really useful. Thanks
Cheers for the comment Ben! Hope you enjoy using your new Fenix 7 🙈
Thanks so much for this video! This covers so many details that I'm really glad to know before making a purchase, and I haven't seen these covered anywhere else
An absolute pleasure sir! 🌟
I think the clear answer is that the processors are not the same. For that reason the engineers had to come up with ways to make it seem as close to the same as possible by making a lot of tiny tweaks that were hopefully unnoticeable to the user. Explains the battery draining quicker (weaker processor working harder using more power), less responsive touch screen with fewer functions, more separate menus as apposed to multiple functions inside one menu on the Fenix. The forerunner just has a less powerful processor. That's how they cut costs. Still, pretty impressive still that they managed to put so much value in a watch that's half the price or less than the Fenix 7 though.
Good point! 🌟 That could be the reason why… apparently the Fenix 7 has the ARM Cortex M4 CPU with FPU and MPU support. I’m not able to see if the 955 has the same or similar. But It honestly wouldn’t surprise me if they had the same processor due to so many established reviewers saying “it has the same insides as the Fenix 7 just in a plastic casing” with the software being built by different departments it’s not far-fetched to question if it’s just a software difference 🌟 Also in the UK the 955 Solar is £550 whereas you can get a base model Fenix 7 for £570 so things get though here.. but yes, much cheaper that the Solar Sapphire models with multi-band 👊🏽 Thanks for the comment Terran 🌟
Yeah, Terran, your comment makes no sense. First of all, the 955 does not use a weaker processor. Second of all, a weaker processor would consume less power. It wouldn't "work harder using more power." Finally, the Fenix 7 doesn't cost anywhere near double the 955. Even when you get the sapphire solar top-end version it doesn't cost double.
Thank you very much!!! I thought the Fenix 7 and 955 were exactly the same in terms of software and experience.
An absolute pleasure!!! Haha, same actually, I expected a few minor differences but not this many, and not this significant. This is a 20 minute video but there was still lots I didn’t have time to mention. All the best 🌟
Awesome assessment on the differences, lets hope the 265/965 are not as buggy as these have been.
I really do have my fingers crossed 🤞🏽 The 9X5 range is the perfect size and weight for me so I always get super excited about it. I dont think Garmin can afford another buggy release so I’m sure they’ll be more on top of it this time. Either way, I’m saving up 💰 so I’ll be able to get 265/965 on day one and let you all know my honest opinions 🌟
Please leave comments to keep this channel going ❤️ Did you have dirt under your screen or on your HR sensor!? Have you experience swiping bugs? Are you feeling the lack of Fenix Map features that just make sense? Let me know 🌟
What band did you throw on there?
@@mimaba6444 amzn.to/3zu3ByN (affiliate link) I've used the nylon band for a year now and LOVED it! (it's weight, its comfort, the adjustability and the durability are all 10/10
Good review, I changed my mind about buying 955 after watching this. But now I think, why should we compare this two watch? 955 is almost 50% price of Fenix 7, and I think its not 50% worse than Fenix...
See, at first, I also thought this but then I checked Amazon: If you check my description details you’ll see I’ve listed a Fenix 7 for £565, 955 Solar £550.. a 2.7% price difference in UK. Far from the 50% quoted. There’s definitely a greater difference of features than 2.7%…
@@ActiveIdeas sorry then… I didn’t know about that. 15$ difference is nothing, 955 should be without mentioned issue. In my country 955 cost 2,5k and f7 3,5k+, so the difference is noticeable
@@ActiveIdeas can I ask you a question (because you made really honest review I think you can be my watch-authority). I’m thinking about fenix 6 and forerunner 955. What should I buy? They’re in the same price, so biggest difference is touch screen I think
Hey again mate, tough question. If it was me I would get the 955 all day long, especially if the same price. For me, I love the touch screen, love the training readiness, enjoy the occasional ‘health snapshot’, i think there’s a few more activity profiles (will have to double check that), the maps will be amazing (when/if they fix the bugs), HRV tracking during sleep is a golden feature too.. although I’ve only been getting 6 days battery life with minimal training. The Fenix 6 is super tough (not a scratch on mine), and has great battery life (especially if you go for 6X), super reliable (had minimal bugs over the year of using it), had great navigation features but the HR sensor is old and dated now (elevate 3) and as amazing as it is, it’s beginning to feel abit long in the tooth if you’re a nerd like me and enjoy using new technology. Also the F6 takes a little longer to connect to satellites 📡 Hope this comment helps 👍🏽🌟
Well, now we all know why the Fenix 7 Series watches are legitimately more expensive than the 955.
Lucky me to found this video before purchases 955. I will go Fenix7 instead.
I always thought FR 9xx will have exactly features as Fenix. Just need to choose between metal and plastic case. I need to rethink..
Yes, I also thought this.. especially with what a lot of reviewers were stating. Turns out there are more differences than you’d expect!
I hope you enjoy your new F7, it’s great!!
Best review I’ve seen. Nothing better than real experience over a review straight out of the manual. Couple of questions. Can all the issues be fixed with a firmware update? Where did you get that watch band shown in the review? Garmin’s watch bands from time to time irritates my skin. This review has made me a new subscriber. Thanks.
Thankyou for the questions Abel! I can’t wait to upload my full “real world” review, lots to talk about! Unfortunately many of my issues with the watch identified in this video will not be fixed by software because they are simply limitations of the ‘forerunner series’ Vs the ‘Fenix series’. I really hope Garmin, one day, change this because I think there is a MASSIVE market for people who want all the Fenix features in a lightweight body. Ahh good question, I suffer with eczema and skin rashes especially from silicone bands, amzn.to/3MOnjZd this Nylon band has been a dream (affiliate link). After having success with Garmin’s UltraFit 26mm band I wanted something similar for the 955 (22mm) and this was it. I’ve used it for a year (on other garmins) and durability, comfort, and weight are all great. Just remember to clean regularly (takes 2 seconds in the shower).
@@ActiveIdeas thanks for the response. Was just about to pull the trigger on the 955 but will wait until your full review. Thanks again.
Cheers man. That is an amazing amazing amazing video. You changed my mind from forerunner 955 to fenix 7/epix 2
Yesss Khaled, you’re going to love the Epix, Fenix range.. they’re rather perfect 👊🏽
Thank you for sharing and demonstrate FR955's poor menu control & interface. It's touch screen/menu control is not as user-friendly as Venu2 / Epix2 / Fenix7.
Yeah, it seems so. I honestly didn’t think there’s be much of a difference, wasn’t expecting it to be very night and day. 🌟
My guess is that more firmware R&D time went into Fenix 7 (from a non-touch screen Fenix 6). The 955 is also a big leap from non-touch 945, thus the firmware (adding touch logic and menu, etc.) needs a lot of work, which Garmin has less incentive to work on. I think it would be too good to be true that the 955 only differs in material and build quality from Fenix 7 and almost half the price. I think the touch swipe sensitivity bug is likely to get fixed in future firmware updates. But the UI/menu difference is unlikely.
Hey Harry! It’s a tough one because in the UK you can buy a base model Fenix 7 for about £500-£550 now which is the same price as a forerunner 955 solar so things get a little complicated. To be honest I’ve seen a lot of people now have continued issues with the 955 & random bugs but i definitely think Garmin are a company that listens (they’ve already improved the 955 so much) and I’m sooo excited to see what they do with the Forerunner 965 LTE! ⭐️
Thanks wss also thinking between this two models.f7s pro my choice now 100%🎉
You won’t regret your decision!
So I chose the Fenix 7 solar, the weight is maybe the only thing I don’t like but it’s not a deal breaker for me
Oh fantastic! Hope you love using it 😍Yeah that’s the same for me.. weight is the only thing but everything else has been stellar!
Thank you, thank you, thank you! This is exactly the kind of review I've been wanting to see as I try to make a choice.
You got it bro 👊🏽
Good spot with the sleep bug. My Forerunner 255s tracks my sleep accurately at night but won't for some reason won't pick up an afternoon nap.
Yeah! Can’t see what the issue is with Garmin allowing naps… it’s a lot of missing data for their training readiness calculations
Thanks, one of the most useful review I've seen on the 955. I would go for the Fenix 7 (or the Epic 2...)
Such a lovely comment, cheers! Seems like a great shout, I can’t wait to trial the Epix 2!
Mate, the half baked touchscreen controls on the 955 you highlighted earlier is a lifesaver! I was considering 955 due to cost but after this video Fenix it is…
An absolute pleasure mate!! Good choice 😉🌟
Great video! It helped a lot in my decision to buy a Garmin watch. Hugs from Brazil.
Hi Macedo from Brazil! This is fantastic news, Hope you enjoy your new Garmin watch! Which one did you go for? 🌟
The Hot Key thing where the Forerunner can't have a programmed back button - Garmin did this with the Fenix 6 and Forerunner 945 too. Annoying.
I've noticed too that the shortcuts on the 955 take noticeably longer to trigger than on my old 945. I used the shortcuts on my 945 every day for two years a variety of things (mostly alarms and timers) - and I'm having to adjust to the longer trigger period on the 955. REALLY annoying.
That’s a really interesting observation! Unfortunately I never got to try the 945 but I did think the shortcuts were taking a few more ms than the F7. All the best 🌟
Great work / great detail - had no idea some much small differences
Thankyou for commenting Ricky 👊🏽🌟
Really interesting video, thanks for sharing! Is it possible to do also a video like this but then about the Epix gen 2?
I would LOVE to review the Epix like this but unfortunately I am heavily limited by funds at the moment. Maybe next month.. at the earliest 🌟
I was leaning 955, now I'm wanting the f7. Hopefully in a year or so I can find one at a good price
You know what I can’t wait for… The Enduro 2… i hope that’a Garmin’s secret little weapon 🤩 Already seeing some good deals on the F7, In my description is a £575 one (UK Amazon)
Awesome review on the comparing the watches. I'm planning on getting a mid to high-range Garmin. If it just needs a bug fix with software update I would love to get my hands on the 955. Currently Taiwan don't have the 955 yet.
Awesome news! Don’t worry, a positive video about the 955 is coming haha! Although I’m still undecided on wether I’ll keep the 7s or 955.. surprisingly, I’m actually finding the comfort and battery life of the 7s to be better 👌🏽 All the best Jacoby from Taiwan! 🇹🇼 🌟
I hope they fix the touch screen on the maps views on the 955. Maps is where the touch screen should shine (in fact I don't want touch for anything else). Surprised this wasn't mentioned in the other reviews I checked out.
Agree with you mate! I was very much looking forward to using maps on some ultra runs but the maps need to be more like Fenix (and without bugs) for it to be safer and more viable. Cheers for the comment 🌟
Well said. I had a 945 and scrolling maps was not easy. That's the main reason why I have recently gone for Fenix 7s.
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6:18 did you say 'Flicking through the midgets' 😂
Hahaha 😨😳 It appears so, yes, yes I did 🤣
Thanks for the great content! About to jump in for my first Garmin watch (currently Samsung user). Looking to do my second triathlon this year (first was without a watch for swimming). Is there one you would suggest for swimming, biking, and running in combination? I was originally thinking 955 but after watching your videos seems to push me towards the Fenix 7 standard. I have a discount code so that difference is about $100 between the Fenix 7 and 955 for me now in the US. It's hard to tell if the value is there for $100 or if I would even notices some of the things since this is my first Garmin.
This is such a tough question mate! Tbh, I think if this is your first Garmin you could get away with using the 955 and you’ll love it.. especially because you know no different. The sell for the 955 is much harder for those who are coming from the Fenix 6 for example who might find they’re actually losing out on features from a “last generation” watch. For swimming biking running 100% go 955 for your first watch, it’s the dream. If you ever seen yourself doing advanced navigation in new environments, don’t mind a heavier watch, need something more durable to bashes/crashes and a watch with a more intuitive software experience I would say spend the extra $100 🌟 The resale value on both is really strong too if you do change your mind 👍🏽 Hope this helps 👊🏽
Thanks for this, indeed good to mention that there are also quite some flaws with the 955... It honestly feels as if they rushed the release and half ported the firmware from the Fenix7 or epix. Mainly the touch implementation is seriously lacking and exactly that is a main selling point of the 955. I have it for a week myself and still do like it, and hope/think most will be fixed with firmware updates but the initial impression is lacking at places unfortunately. (Also battery life is not as impressive here, but that also seems very... erratical. So yes, great potential but not living up to it quite yet.
No problem! 🌟 Yeah it’s a shame that a top selling feature (touch screen) is so limited on the half ported firmware. I don’t think anyone was expecting Apple Watch pinch to zoom features lol but the F7 got the balance right. Ive managed 6 days of light use and I’m at 13% (with sleep tracking for HRV). Yeah the initial impression hasn’t been as magical as I’ve been dreaming of for the past two years, but hey.. we’re getting there 😍
Have you seen any improvements?
Hey mate, I uploaded a video two days ago called “955 l MAPS | 6 months later”! You’ll be pleased to hear I saw many improvements but it’s still not sunshine and rainbows 👊🏽 Let me know what you think 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas thank you! Just gave it a watch and saved a bit to watch later. Think you've made up my mind about saving for the Fenix. Seems a lot of the features on the 955 are there but the "lite" version of what is on the Fenix. Appreciate it!
Wicked mate! You can’t go wrong with the Fenix, it’s definitely a watch worth saving up for to avoid those “lite” features. Also if you, a friend or family are students, Garmin offer a generous student’s discount 🌟
Where dit you get the bands. Are they more comfortable than the standard garmin bands?
I have two videos on the bands with links to the exact band used, feel free to check it out! I talk about the comfort and durability 🌟
I live an active lifestyle. I am an avid skier. I do a lot of running and sprinting and hiking. Would you still recommend the F7 over the Forerunner 955? I currently use an Apple Watch 4 and I love it but feel like I would enjoy the features that Garmin has. I feel like I would enjoy the lighter weight of the 955 when running
If you’ve previously worn an Apple Watch have you thought about the idea of the Epix.. you get all the ruggedness of the Fenix, in a casing that’s only 47g with a nylon band that would be about 51g?
Alternatively if it’s just between the F7 and 955 I would say consider the F7s Sapphire Solar.. super lightweight, rugged, great battery life, fantastic build quality and a sapphire display to protect it from impact when you’re skiing. The 7s feels less bulky on my wrist because of the small casing size and with a weight difference of 5g more than the 955 it feels just as lightweight 🌟 If you’re on a budget, it may have to be the 955.. still enjoyable to use and perfectly fine for running, hiking etc. Hope this helps mate 👏🏽
Great video. I have just returned my 955 for these reasons, will be ordering a F7 to replace my F6. I also play a lot of golf and the app is somewhat restricted on the 955 compared to the Fenix.
Thankyou Graham, appreciate the comment. Hope you love the F7! Ah that’s interesting to hear, I never even considered golf ⛳️ 🌟
Good stuff! After watching this videos I've learnt some tricks on my 7s.
Where did you buy the nylon band for the 7s?I don't find so comfortable the original one.
Glad you learnt some new tricks mate, that’s what I love about these watches.. always something new to mess around with 👍🏽 I highly recommend amzn.to/3aSD6sn (affiliate link) this nylon band, as I’ve used it for about a year and it’s been perfect (no rash, super comfortable and super lightweight 7s is only 47g)! All the best 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas 47 grams!?
Dind't know the original band weighs so much..
Thanks!!
Barbados is Atlantic standard time. Not really a minus, more of a consolidation.
Thankyou for the comment 🌟
You have just saved me from selling my F6 pro. Thank you 👍
A pleasure mate haha, someone had to do it. ➖The F7 is awesome tbh, but if you don’t want that upgrade its probably best to hold fire and keep the awesome tried and tested F6 pro for now - Kings 🌟
Considering the issues with the touchscreen and maps (two of the main differentiators between 955 and 255) I wonder what your thoughts on the 255 are.
Tbh the 255 looks excellent, the training status features at this price point is cool! I haven’t got a 255 delivered yet but from everything I’ve seen online it looks like a massive upgrade and a fantastic option for triathlete too! I did wear the 245 music for 6 months and loved that too, so if you’re not massively in need of the triathlon features.. and not massively sold by the training status features the 245 may be a solid option too👍🏽 worth looking into mate 🌟
Since 255 nowadays got the multisport function now the 955 is much less attractive specially with these problems. The main use of a touchscreen is for the better usability of maps anyway, since these seem to be broken the most differentiating feature between the two is actually a broken feature so the 255 seems like a much better deal.
That’s a very fair point, I can’t wait to review the 955! 🤩
Super detailed content. Thanks, subbed 👍
Thankyou for the lovely comment 🌟cheers!
@@ActiveIdeas Cheers :)
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Nailed it mate. And now it would probably be best to send me that broken 955, i wouldn't mind this problems 😅
Hahaha! Exactly 😉 It IS a great watch.. I’ve got a more positive video coming haha (subscribe for more 🌟)
Helpful comparison. Deserve more view.
Thankyou for the kind comment! I agree 🌟
Hi. I notice that you sway to the Fenix 7s. With these issues and difference what's your preference of the mid size solar sapphire titanium case which stands at 50g. Vs the 955. Mind you here in the US it's $400 more at $900 and the 955 is $500
It’s such a tough question mate! I honestly prefer lighter watches so I was so hyped for the 955.. I was convinced it would be my primary watch, but after multiple months of using it and continued issues with bugs I really would sway people towards Garmin’s more premium models which just feel like they’ve had a little more love. If you can afford it, it’s worth the reduced levels of stress when the watch just stops working for no reason, never had that on Fenix (can imagine Epix and Enduro 2 are just as awesome). Don’t get me wrong though, if you’re looking to save money there’s a lot to love about the 955, at this price point having premium training readiness features is bloody awesome! Hope this helps 🌟
Is there any info (promise, news, etc) from Garmin to fix these serious software bugs? 🤔
Hey Bence, Thankyou for the comment. The latest firmware update fixed some of The touch issues but I’m still Having problems with navigation 🧭 and unfortunately I don’t think the Fenix features mentioned in this video are ever coming to the 955 👍🏽 Albeit I have not had the 955 off my wrist and I am enjoying how lightweight it is and how good this replacement model’s battery life is; training readiness has also been really fun .. I am starting to miss the Fenix features though and think I’ll either give the Epix gen 2 a go or the Enduro 2 😍 watch this space 🚀
Great video!🤝 I have considered the 955 for it's obvious few newer features versus the Fenix 7 range, and the price point..., but these bugs and nuances would be so annoying....be interesting to see what Garmin's comments are and also maybe follow up in later video to see if resolved.
Yeah, as far as I’m aware.. most of the problems identified in this video will not be fixed as they are a software limitation against the Fenix however the bugs (and hopefully quality control) will be.. not sure when though.. and I’ll definitely be putting out a follow up video
Saving up for a fenix 7x, been wanting one since release, seems like the perfect tool for a military fitness junky.
Mate!! The 7x Is going to be spectacular, you’ll love it! 🤩
Great video, very frustrating to see how they limit the 955, it is still a very expensive watch. Lack of continuity across the ranges show how greedy Garmin actually is. If you want better software pay even more, even though they could easily fix that with an update. Compare it to the Apple Watch at least the software is exactly the same across all price points. They have nailed the customer experience in that respect. Garmin as usual want to rob you blind! ( I just got the 955 ) I already regret it
Thankyou for the comment 🌟 The lack of continuity is definitely frustrating in this situation, I think there’s a massive market of people who want all the fantastic features of a Fenix in a watch that is lighter in weight. It’s a tough one.. I must definitely PRAISE Garmin for their lack of a subscription model 👏🏽 As frustrating as this is, I’d much prefer this over the subscription locks of many of their market competitors. Yeah the approach of Apple is cool… Coros too… “if the watch’s hardware can handle the software, we’ll give you the features”. All the best mate 🌟
Well reviewed! I'm a Garmin watch owner myself (fenix 5, instinct solar) and It makes me disappointed seeing all this. Garmin makes great watches and they are really expensive. Assuming the price tag it is fair to expect great software and spot-on accurate sensors and top of the line overall quality watch that will beat every competitor along the way. Unfortunately it is not the case. Here is why. First thing - elevation sensor. I'm pretty sure everybody knows that elevation sensor is far from being perfect on Garmin devices and it regularly has elevation spikes within 50m for no reason. I'm not even talking about elevation change when you work out in the gym, which means you are on the same floor, going nowhere. Second thing - heart rate sensor. You would assume that for the price you pay you would get the most accurate heart-rate sensor, but once again it is not the case. It is better then in most other watches, but not the best (watch quantified scientist video for more details). Third problem - software. I'm using instinct solar, and this watch is advertised for hikers, outdoor people and nature enthusiasts. However, for some reason this watch is unable to display a route with 50 or more waypoints (I'm pretty sure instinct 2 has the same limitation). That means that if you upload a long train in hope to follow it through you are guaranteed to lose half of the waypoints when it's displayed on your watch.(or it can freeze and restart which is even better!) Amazing! This is exactly what I expect from the most expensive brand on the market. Fourth thing - algorithms. Body battery - is number your watch gives you between 0 and 100 to display how well rested you are after a night of sleep. I don't know how they measure the score but my body battery is never goes above 30, even though I sleep well, exercise regularly don't smoke and don't really drink that often. And I feel amazing, well rested and annoyed with another feature from garmin, which doesn't deliver.(I found a bunch of people on reddit with the same problem, so it's not just my case.) Fifth problem - sleep score. I'm gonna be brief, it's not accurate.
Good things:
good gps
durability and build quality
battery (but not the best)
Final thoughts:
Garmin makes good watches, but for the price you pay you would expect to get the best watch among others, but it's not the case. Garmin is trying to look the best while being above mediocre
P.s. It makes me really annoyed to see price tag for garmin watches, considering that there are watches from other companies which might not be better, but can easily stand out against garmin watches for a third/half of the price. (look up t-rex 2)
Ahh sorry to hear you've had such a tough experience with it all mate. Tbh, I've been using Garmin for nearly a decade now and have always felt spoilt by the technology... it's never been 100% perfect but as they're pushing the boundaries of what a watch can do and pioneering the technology its easy to let them off. I saw a comment today about the new Fenix line costing as much as an M1 MacBook Air haha.. and that snapped me back into reality a bit, it's true the cost is high. On the other hand though their customer services are great (I've had a friend get 4 replacements of their Vivoactive 3 hahah), and I used the Vivoactive 3 myself for around 3 years with no issues. So if you break down the cost over the amount of years you use it and the fact there is no subscription model.. it begins to feel a little me enticing! 🤣 All the best 🌟
Very informative video, great work.
Thankyou for the lovely comment! 🌟
Seems to be the FR gets less “proces power”. And the FR 255 is better, simpler and no buggy touchscreen. Overal the Apple Watch software is much more stable then Garmins. Also try to change settings.. it’s a maze. I do prefer Garmin training info and battery life a lot more.
Doesn’t matter how good the processor is if the software is a dumpster fire and I’m honestly not sure which is the case.. if it’s software or processing power. One thing to note is that since i made this video a lot of improvements have been made to the user experience making it actually usable haha. Although the experience is still worlds apart from the Fenix 👊🏽 Agreed though, I love the battery life and training info.. at the moment I’m testing Coros and Suunto and must admit I extremely miss training metrics.. I felt at home with them, lots of extremely valuable data 🌟
Thank you, glad I came across this video a true user experience is what I prefer to see. I was very tempted by the 955 and now I've seen this it's definitely put me off it and the fenix 7 im now more sold on.
Ooo glad I could help with your purchase decision mate! You're going to love the Fenix 7!
@@ActiveIdeas I haven't bought anything yet, I'm still on the fence, I have the Samsung galaxy watch 4 classic and its great but its now between the Epic 2 and the Fenix 7x...
What kind of sports are you doing?
@@ActiveIdeas CrossFit mostly and hiking
As much as I love the Fenix 7X (arguably the best Garmin Watch) I do think it may be a little too bulky for CrossFit.. Now you’ve said that I would sway you towards the Epix Gen 2 👍🏽 That beautiful screen will be great for hiking too if using maps 😍 all the best
Thank you so much for bringing up all hidden bugs, Hope forerunner team should come back from pandemic fatigue and fix all these stupid bugs asap, I am really not sure I will trust forerunner team anymore, very annoying though, honestly I should go to coros and stop buying Garmins
It’s a tough one, Garmin will always have a special place in my heart and tbh, even with all the bugs, the features that Garmin’s have Vs Coros are just non-comparable. But yeah, fair comment about the forerunner team. They had a great vision but the watch the public got does feel to me very subpar, slightly more unpolished than we’ve come to expect especially considering how fantastic the Fenix, Epix & Enduro product lines are 👍🏽 To be honest, even the 255 feels fantastic and that’s a forerunner 🌟
Thank you for the details, few things though
- is the sleep tracking any better on F7?
- is there better variety/customization in watch faces in f7?
A pleasure mate! Sleep is not better on the F7 in terms of features. But in terms of reliability I’ve never had it miss a sleep or have data missing. Both can not detect naps.
Customisation Is a millions times better on f7… it shouldn’t be, but it is 👍🏽 All the best 🌟
This video is really helpful, at frist i'm torn between Fenix7s sapphire solar bronze or the way cheaper fr 955 solar. After watching this video, my mind is made up, fenix7s sapphire bronze it is. Thanks mate!
You’re making the right decision 👊🏽 No regrets here! 🌟
Hello what you prefer 955 or Fenix 7s ?? Which is more comfortable?
I think both are great watches but serve different purposes. For all day comfort I think I preferred the 7s because of its smaller casing however for sleeping I’m swaying towards the 955 because of how lightweight it is.. tbh I forget it’s on my wrist during the night which is a massive bonus because it means I can collect training readiness data
Hi. What do you think of the Fenix 6 pro, is it still worth buying? I've seen quite a few reviews on GPS and heart rate issues. I generally need something resistant to training in the gym and cycling. The price of the 6pro is fine now, but does it make sense to pack your money in a watch with old sensors?
Hey mate, thanks for the comment! It’s funny you ask this I’m actually half way through filming a video “Garmin’s best watches of 2022” and in my opinion the Fenix 6X pro Solar titanium is one of the best feature rich and value for money purchases you can make. I did have some issues with GPS when under heavily forested areas or tall buildings.. what would happen is that the “current pace” would sometimes be 1 to 2 minutes off.. I didn’t mind because when I finished the activity the actual gps track and pace would have been corrected. For most activities and especially road running “current pace” would be fine. I’m terms of the Heart rate I upgraded from the vivoactive 3 and saw that the Fenix 6X pro Solar titanium was a massive improvement in heart rate.. rarely would it be wrong and it wouldn’t struggle to lock on on really cold days like my older VA3. I must mention that I always used the F6Xpro with a nylon band so I was able to get a really good fit and would recommend you do the same for more accuracy. Whilst the Fenix 7 have elevate 4 I wouldn’t say the advancements are ground breaking and most series athletes will still be using a heart rate strap for true data. I say GO FOR IT, as long as you don’t mind not having a touch screen 👍🏽 Also look on eBay for ‘Fenix 6X pro Titanium Solar’ as this is one of Garmin’s best ever made watches 👊🏽 All the best 🌟
Thank you, I was looking for such an opinion. Regards and waiting for the new video 😊
Very detailed. Thank you. I just subscribed too.
Thankyou. Top lad 🌟
Great video have these issues been fixed?
Thanks for the comment mate that’s appreciated. Tough question to answer without making another video.. some of the software bugs have been ironed out, but then I’ve ran into other issues instead, overall the watch’s software is more stable .. but none of the differences with the Fenix have been ported to the 955 yet 👌🏽
@@ActiveIdeas thank you so much for your response. I just ordered the Garmin fr 955 and this was helpful... I like that Garmin does regular updates to fix these bugs kudos to them
Great comparison, thank you. I think it is quite disappointing that Garmin segments shared software feature sets and performance between models. The compass is a good example. That doesn't really cut it anymore in this era of Apple Watch and iPhone. It's not like Apple has a different compass app on the Mini vs Pro iPhone. Garmin would do very well to consolidate their "Garmin OS" to one team so that the core experience is shared across the hardware lines. I feel like that would also modernize their programming effort, but what do I know! It would also make for a consistent experience for users.
What a fantastic comment! 🌟 I agree, I'm a big fan of Garmin, but in 2022 and of all the watches that could have had serious issues, it was the mythical 955 that we all dreamed of. The iPhone Mini vs Pro is a good example actually, I might steal that for the full review ;) Yeah, maybe a consolidation of the Garmin OS is needed. I rave about the Fenix 7s sapphire solar in this video... but it isn't without its issues too and also has heavily fallen victim to "Garmin OS". All the best mate! 🌟
Amazing video! Underrated channel!
You’re too kind good sir!!😎🌟
Do you think is it worth to switch 255 for 955 for better battery life and touchscreen?
If you have the spare cash and need those extra features.. yes, its a lovely upgrade 🌟
Did these bugs get fixed? I would not be able to use the 955! One of the main reasons for this watch is maps for me.
The maps are definitely usable now. I would trust them for racing and following a uploaded GPX course (this would previously cause the Watch to crash) but I still stand by my word that the Fenix 7, Epix & Enduro are a far superior way to interact with the maps. If I get lost.. I’d want a Fenix on my wrist 🌟 It’s an enjoyable experience on these devices where something about the 955 software just seem impractical. Hope this helps mate 🌟
Thanks for this. My older model Forerunner 645 just broke and was wondering whether or not to go with the 955 solar or the 7x Solar Sapphire as a replacement. Think I’ll do the 7x for all these added nuanced features
No worries 👊🏽 Yeah, the 7x seems like the way to go this generation mate 🌟
Owe you a pint for this video as you've just saved me a wedge. Was literally about to just order the 955 right now but saw this video.
A pleasure mate! What lovely weather it is for a pint too!! 🍻 Highly recommend the Fenix 7.. got a link in my description to a £575 Fenix 7 (base model but far superior to this)! At that price it’s currently hard to recommend the £550 955 solar in this present moment 👍🏽 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas To be honest, the Fenix seems a little 'bulky' for what I want. I liked the slimmer profile of the Forerunner but some of these issues are a bit much for me. Whether they can or will be sorted by software updates, who knows. The sleep tracking is a big thing for me. While no watch will be on par with laboratory conditions, I'm fairly happy with my Galaxy Watch 3 sleep tracking so any new device would need to be equal or better to that.
The watch face issue surprised me though. I would've thought there'd at least be some faces out there that weren't an issue? I'm quite fussy with watch faces though and scroll past 98% of the Galaxy store. Connect IQ is even worse but there are some that tick my boxes, just not many.
Anyway thanks for this video. As another viewer said, DCs, Des's etc videos are all good & have their place but some times we need to know the daily irritations these watches will present before we hand over our hard earned & you did that well.
Sounds like we’re looking for something similar.. super lightweight and PACKED full of features haha.. but yeah, even for me the limitations and daily irritations were just a little too much. Thankyou every every word mates. Cheers 🍻
I think the 955 is a watch to run and for marathons, etc. The function to run and tria is more important than function to touch. And never see a Pro with a Fenix 7. Pros goes for 955.
Yeah.. I think the best running watch is probably the 255.. it’s sooo lightweight and if you don’t want the extra features then no point spending hundreds more for a touch screen. Yeah, I see a lot of ultra running pros with the Enduro 2 but it’s like a whole new sport within its self where battery life is so important 🔥
Hi mate, really relate to what you said at the end. I can’t decide between the 7 Pro or 955/255. I really think the flashlight would be useful but long term can I stick the weight of the Fenix. What would be your thoughts?
Hey Tom! I’m super fussy about the weight of watches! having tested the Fenix 7 Pro (check the video on my channel) I can honestly say that when paired with a nylon band it’s actually quite comfortable to use 🔥 It’s nice having the added durability that the Fenix comes with too and the flashlight is a game changer. I would say AVOID the 255, get the 955 if you’re on a budget and hop off the fence and go for the Fenix 7 Pro if you have the money (you won’t regret it) best wishes mate 💫
@@ActiveIdeas you’re the man, thanks mate!
@@tombagley10 a pleasure ❤️
Nice thank you for this
An absolute pleasure Khrisna!
Great comparison!
Cheers! 👏🏽
This is what DC Rainmaker would never show you in his reviews
I love DC Rainmaker, he’s also a smart dude. More broadly, the fitness community have been waiting a long time for 955, many tech reviewers have hyped up the dream of it too so when it’s finally been released I’m not surprised if the industry has been reluctant to share their honest frustrations (I guess it potentially doesn’t help that many reviewers get the ‘prototype’ units for free too haha). Although, in terms of longevity, their videos may stand the test of time where mine could be knocked out of date with a software update (although I doubt it because Garmin need to work on A LOT to make this worthy of the “F7 in a polymer body” title that so many proclaim). So much potential :/ Let’s see how this plays out 👌🏽🌟
Yeah, I’m not sure where it’s referring to me doing a deep dive comparison between the two. But haters gonna hate apparently. I do lots of deep dive comparisons between units that go into extreme details, but simply haven’t had the time to do this one yet.
However, ultimately, while these are similar products for some people, they are different products by different teams and have different priorities. Thus, while it’s easy to show all the little tidbits missing from the Fenix 7 on the 955, it’s also notable to show all the currently missing 955 features from a Fenix 7. Which is actually a much bigger gap.
@@Dcrainmaker Cheers for the comment Ray! 👑Let it be clear.. No hate, just love for you and a tone of respect for your years worth of content that I've enjoyed and been inspired by tbh👌🏽
But yeah, I agree with what you've said there, I look forward to seeing your video if you get time to make it. The differences shown in this video were more in my user case scenario and I found it hard to balance 'what matters to me' compared to the general public within that. But ultimately these are not the videos I enjoy making (Im a massive Garmin fan and was ready to RAVE about the 955), but just felt someone needed to put this out there as there's not much review content showing some of the problems users could face if they're transitioning from Fenix 6/7 to 955. All the best 🌟
I’m very thankful for this review! The absurd touch screen handicaps of the 955 will probably make me buy a fenix. I’m currently on a 245 and just want a watch with nice map capability. @active ideas: I don’t think your used case is very niche. At least it fits my used case exactly.
And although I also watch the main TH-camrs reviews they are certainly mostly the same just from 3 different dudes (which I all like don’t get me wrong ;)🎉 happy holidays!
When did garmin release 995 ?????
Haha, I know right! Garmin have been smashing it with their recent releases 🔥 Can’t keep up 🤩
June 1, 2022
I misspelt the title **995 🤣 Now fixed and edited 😅🌟
Are there software differences between the Fenix 7 and Epix?
There are lots!! Many that some users may find frustrating if transitioning. I would LOVE to make this video but unfortunately I do not have the funds as I buy all the watches myself. The Epix certainly does look stunning.
Anybody’s with an 955 having these features improved with the latest update? I heard for the maps it should be.
I would also be interested to hear this 🌟 Nearly 2023 now 🙈
Great review, I keep getting some random HR spikes while sleeping, resting etc triggering the abnormal hr alert, it's panicked me a couple of times so I've connected my polar h10 strap to confirm that it's not me, it's having a massive effect on my training readiness, recovery metrics too.... Was wondering if it's dust or a duff firmware version.... Thanks for the video.
Oh man, that’s interesting! I would have to use this watch a little longer than a few days to see how the HR performed (I have some initial thoughts but will keep on monitoring), I’ve seen some sustained higher than normal HR readings but I ran my first 100mi ultra a few weeks back so could just be recovery/spikes from that 🤣 To the second part you said: If it’s an issue with the watch then my guess is more likely firmware. If you can’t see any visible dust blocking light (like on mine) you should be good and it is 99.9% probably software. It can’t be hardware because the elevate 4 sensor has proved itself on different weighted (grams) watches to be pretty awesome tbf. Hope this helps 🌟
@@ActiveIdeas Cheers for your response and well done on the ultra 💪💪 Garmin have changed their firmware updates to monthly? Does that mean on new products we'll have to wait a month to fix certain bugs or will they push them through to Please us customers? Thanks again.
No worries mate and ahh thanks! That’s a good question, the left swipe issue and issues with maps seem pretty major to me so hopefully Garmin push out an earlier bug fix… but are Garmin even aware of it though, is the question? (And if they are why did they allow it) 😉
Regarding the flashlight point, dont 955 have hotkey customization if you want the flashlight easier available? Thought I had seen that.
They do indeed.. hotkeys are limited to only a few combinations though which usually involve holding buttons and I find a lot of these combinations can interfere with the UI.. the double tab light button is the best way to activate the torch (the same as Fenix) so I hope Garmin one day allows us to customise the double tab for buttons 🌟 Thanks for the comment lad 👊🏼
@@ActiveIdeas Thanks! Good video
Cheers! 🌟
Let’s go people! 🔥
That's awesome. I've been wondering what the differences are between these two watches and got everything.
I got Fenix 7x and I was wondering how can I see the last charge event.
Oh man, I hope you’re loving your 7X.. what a beast of a watch! I actually have the Enduro 2 review dropping in a few days so stay tuned! For the last charge event widget you’ll need to download the ConnectIQ app for your phone.. this is basically Garmin’s App Store where you download more watch faces, applications or in this case widgets.. in the search bar type in ‘Battery Widget’ and it’ll be the first thing that pops up.. it’s free to download and safe (approved by Garmin) 👍🏽
@@ActiveIdeas I really enjoy my watch. Thank you. Nice job. Keep going :)
Cheers buddy 🌟
Initial software quality is a massive issue at Garmin, but hopefully this dust inside the sensors is just a fluke. I'd really like to see another review in 6 months to see what was fixed 🙂
🌟 Yeah, that would be cool to see 🙂
What watch have you got now Hen?
Still got the FR955 since it’s half the price
It’s a tough one.. in the UK you can get a F7 for like £15 more than the Solar 955
@@ActiveIdeas solar isn’t really useful in the Netherlands and neither the UK. Also the base Fenix doesn’t offer all functions the FR955 has. Having 16GB for example reduces the Fenix 7 base for maps + music.
Is there any updates on how the software has changed since this video?
There has been lots of updates, I did do a “6 months later” video and I think even since then there’s been updates as well but I’ve since moved on to the 965 models for testing 🌟
calibrating the compas on the 955 is super easy, just push and hold the middle button on the right and you have the compas options. Also you forget to mention that the Fenix 7 costs 200 to 300€ more the the 955. With the toucscreen I do not have any problems, even with a screenprotector. maybe your device is broken.
I bought another 955 and have the exact same bugs… I think anyone saying they aren’t experiencing glitches probably aren’t using all the touch features the 955 has to offer (or maybe don’t know how smooth a Garmin touch screen can be) 🤣 Also in the UK you can buy a F7 for £575 on Amazon which means there’s only a £15 (17.40€) price difference 👍🏽 I do mention you can calibrate the compass 🧭 from accessing settings but it just seems more intuitive on the F7. Thanks for the comment mate, all the best 🌟
what watch band do you have on the Fenix 7s? Thanks!
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