Cancelled Coasters of Six Flags Great America: Mr. Freeze
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- In 1997, Six Flags Great America was working on plans to add a Mr. Freeze coaster, similar to the one's at Six Flags St. Louis and Six Flags Over Texas, to their park for the 1998 season. However, after all three of Six Flags' new for 1997 Premier Rides coasters failed to operate in their opening season, Six Flags cancelled plans for any new Mr. Freeze coasters in 1998. Today, we give you a history lesson on how Six Flags Great America lost out on one of the best roller coasters in the Six Flags chain.
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This would be a pretty cool series to keep doing. I love the behind the scenes stories from different parks, and SFGAm is my home park.
Thanks - that's the plan!
The original Mr. Freeze coasters were supposed to go to Six Flags Astroworld and Six Flags Mid America. We had several teleconference with Premier Rides Astroworld had already upgraded the electrical transformers near the front mall area for the ride and site planning was underway. Six Flags over Texas board of directors threaten to leave the Six Flags system and take the Six Flags name due to a dispute with Time Warner. Mr. Freeze was sent to Six Flags over Texas and Astroworld receive Dungeon Drop in place. I had to fly to San Jose California to visit Paramount Great America for information on drop zone. Keep in mind minus the waterparks there where 8 Six Flags Park including the newly acquired Fiesta Texas. When Mr. Freeze opened after numerous delays some of us felt a little vindication because Six Flags over Texas was sort of like the whining kid holding it breath with the leave the system threat Time Warner sold Six Flags Theme Parks to Premier Parks for 2.2 billion and signed 50 year licensing agreement. It was like David buying Goliath and lots of changes happened from Premier Parks.
I was an Astroworld Rides Specialist/Supervisor. I work at Astroworld from 1983 to 2005. My seniority required me to write all new ride operations manuals from 1992 until 2005 when the park closed. I still have all my back up files from those years.
To clarify your statements to anyone else reading, at the time Over Texas has a weird relationship where Six Flags managed them, but did not own them - sort of like the agreement the Mall of America had with Cedar Fair for years with the Park there, but Six Flags made the decisions on additions to Over Texas.
It was a weird relationship because Over Texas could demand preferential treatment - as they did with Freeze - or else they'd risk losing them as a park, even if it didn't make as much business sense to put stuff there.
... And man, I'd love to see that ride stuff. I may have some fun stuff around here myself...
Oh, and the video was about 90 percent accurate from my knowledge, as many of these videos are. Freeze was actually once announced to be coming to Great America, but I can't find the evidence online and I don't have it off.
One thing to think about - in 1998, Time Warner had really been focused on the theming of Great America. The video missed the sensible spot to put Mr Freeze in the park where it was supposed to go...
Also, Raging Bull was never a St Louis ride. The Raging Bull merch that was shown - which I have one of! - was produced in the mid 2000s. Maybe next time I dig it out, I'll find a copyright on it...
I'm glad Mr Freeze went to Over Texas instead of Astroworld because Astroworld later got the axe and was demolished.
Honestly I would rather have Raging Bull, the first drop in the back is unmatched
So interesting and cool. Great America is my home park, I can’t image us having a mr freeze lol. That would be awesome but I think I’d rather have maxx force.
I would much rather have Mr. Freeze. Way more intense than Maxx Force.
I’d rather have maxx force , six flags already has enough clones
Luke Williams exactly, almost every ride is cloned. Max force, American eagle, xflight, Goliath and raging bull are like the only not cloned rides
Yeah I looked it up and that’s right
@@XGaming1 I agree. I'd much rather have unique rides than clones. Even good clones. Plus while mr freeze is a good ride i would not trade raging bull for it.
Sooooo. I’m 39 now but I worked at SFGA when I was 15 when the southwest territory was new. I’ll always remember them talking about getting Mr. Freeze and but we got giant drop. I’ll stick with what Great America did. Freeze is a fun ride but doesn’t fit it.
Damn, poor Six Flags St.Louis. Oh, what could have been.
I love finding out new things about my home park
Damn no wonder you’ve gained so many subs lately! I had no idea about this until this video! You should do this series for other parks too!
Definitely would like to, if anyone has any more cool stories like this they want me to research/cover let me know!
Eagle might have been RMCed because there wouldn’t have been enough for Goliath
This is one of the issues I never understood with Six Flags parks. They built a lot of the same rides at every park. Had they spent time working on signature attractions; there would be more than just 5 flagship parks.
Premier Parks mess up all Six Flags parks...
Learning about changes Six Flags made during this time period is always interesting because we all know how the expansion went, but there's so many of those what if's that took place back then.
Mr. Freeze and Batman And Robin: The Chiller are all based on the Batman And Robin movie from 1997!
What I think would have happened (definitely wrong)
1. Iron Wolf would have never been removed, but instead converted to a floorless
2. At least one of these would never have been built: MaxxForce, V2, Deja Vu
3. American Eagle would have been RMC’d in the mid 2010s
I'm surprised you never once mentioned how Kingda Ka was originally ment for SFGAm, but they were denied the 460' height waver, so corporate sent it to the next park, SFGAdv. It's interesting to think, they have had multiple launch coasters cancelled, but we have seen them at other parks.
Huh, this is the first time I'm hearing about this, SFGAm is my home park and has been for almost 10 years now, any chance do you know where I can learn more about this?
Seriously
Did Six Flags Great Adventure have any canceled planned roller coasters
@@ThrillsofColdplay A B&M Flyer before Superman
@@TheRyanmoose ok is there any info about it
Super interesting. I had no idea. I did a similar video about SFNE's Dark Knight coaster though that one was under construction when it got canned
I found Paul Rudd
Wow! I had no clue Great America was supposed to get a Mr Freeze coaster! Great video!!!
I wish Mr. Freeze would have been at SFGA! That's my home park. I have been to Six Flags St. Louis and I love their Mr. Freeze coaster!
I never knew about this. SFGAM is my home park and I loved Mr.Freeze at SFSL. I would think that having a batman and mr freeze at both St Louis and Great America would make the parks a little too similar though
When is the second episode of this series
This is really cool, my home park is SFOT and I do know the history of mr.freeze, but I didn’t know SFGA was going to get one too, and if it was going to be in the Yukon Territory that means maybe the clone wouldn’t be themed to mr.freeze and it would’ve been cool to see that.it’s very fascinating and hopefully we see more of this series 👍
Thanks! More to come for sure.
You noted that in 1997 Great America had 7 roller coasters, and you named them, but the commercial said it had 8 coasters. I remember asking park employees about that commercial back in the day because I only counted 7 and they were clueless. Eventually I understood that they were counting both of American Eagle's tracks as separate coasters.
Awesome video! I learned a lot of new stuff I had no idea about. I think it would be amazing if Great Adventure got a new Premier coaster, maybe something like West Coast Racers.
At least I was able to ride both coasters on *"BATMAN🦇ROBIN CHILLER"* before it was closed down. It truly hurts going to the park seeing this amazing coaster just sitting there collecting vegetation.
Another Premier Rides launch coasters Six Flags added was Full Throttle on 2013 and West Coast Racers on the end of 2019.
I never knew my home park had plans to add this.
Hey man, I enjoy a video about my home park :)
Your Timelapse feature in google earth works! How? When I try to use it on my Mac everything is very blurry. Also, great video!
Great America is my home park. I feel like we have a really solid line up and I don't know if a mr freeze coaster would fit. I rode mr freeze in st louis and while it's great I wouldn't want it at great America. I think max force and ragin bull are much better as giga and launch coasters. Both are unique and fun rides.
honestly I wish there were more mr. freezes, maybe a batman and mr. freeze combo could be the good version of an SLC and boomerang combo
Man we missed out on an awesome coaster...
We really did.
@@ParkPros To be far, if we did, we probably would've missed out on some of parks top tier coasters like Maxx Force and Goliath. Even then, who knows what we could've gotten if we indeed did get a Mr. Freeze clone.
Another great video as always!
SFGAm is my home park and I’m personally glad this didn’t happen. I have not been on Mr. Freeze or Maxx Force, but I think it’s safe to say I’d rather have Maxx Force. And while Freeze probably has the better layout and launch, I think I would still take V2 over it. I find older premier restraints THE WORST. I’d rather take the re-ride ability even if it’s initial launch is nothing to scream over. I think Freeze would have done better at the park as the better ride with better capacity compared to V2, but then we wouldn’t have gotten Maxx... we’ll never know, and I know I have not ridden Maxx, but surely it’s the best of the 3 for me
Great video!! 👍🏼 This has been my home park for 25 years, and even I did not know about this!😳
Pretty crazy, isn't it?
It really is!! 🤯
Thanks for taking it a step further by talking about how getting Mr. Freeze would've impacted the coasters they built. It was interesting seeing how Mr. Freeze's presence would've made Deja Vu and V2 less likely, its impact on Raging Bull & Goliath and so on.
D.C. comic themed rides seem to always have problems injuring its rider's.
You should do something on Sega World in Sydney. I won a trip there in 1997. Pretty cool, very short-lived.
What if the park got an enclosed Premier Rides Catapult Coaster in 1997 with a Batman And Robin theme?
Just saying, 2019 Six Flags didn't care that much about overlapping coasters, they opened West Coast Racers (a Premier launch coaster) in 2019* just a few years after Full Throttle (a Premier launch coaster).
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Thank you, appreciate it!
I think is extremely likely! Great video, and I love this series idea
I wish Great America would have Mr Freeze..I rode it in St Louis and loved it.. great ride
Part 2?
These videos are so entertaining! Keep it up I subbed!
Awesome, thank you! Subbed back as well 😀
Wow their headquarters is like 30 mins from my house. how did I not know that! I should try getting a job with them
Man, I wish SF STL would have gotten Raging Bull instead of The Boss AKA The Migraine.
Wasn't mr. Freeze pretty much a tall j with a corkscrew at the top? Really fast and your feet dangled?
Great America is my home park. I love this park but Demon needs a major refurb. I can’t stand that ride as it gives me a major headache when I ride it. If I ever ride it on a trip, I save it for the later part of the day.
SFGAm dive coaster 2021
Nope
i fuckin knew it, people thought i was lying when i told them we was getting a mister freeze coaster
I wish Six Flags Great America got a Batman And Robin: The Chiller clone in 1998. It would be placed next to Superman: Ultimate Flight.
Southwest Territory opened with 3 rides: Chubasco, Trailblazer, and Ricochet
I’ve come to the conclusion that we are never getting the next video in this series 😢
The launch system problems on Mr. Freeze and Batman And Robin: The Chiller were caused by their prototype status!
Oh wow I never knew my home Premier Coaster was originally going to GAM. Also fun fact: if you ride Runaway Mountain during Fright Fest or Holiday in the Park, you’ll find a Yeti animatronic that lets out a roar when you go around the final helix, and they also play halloween and Christmas themed music throughout.
So, I'm curious if anyone knows more about this, but I remember there was a 3D shark ride that was supposed to come to Six Flags Hurricane Harbor in Texas several years ago, but for some reason, I could never find anything more about it.
The Flight of Fear clones also had issues as well.
Batman was not the first inverted coaster by a long shot.
What's the instrumental around the 4 minute mark?
First and this channel is goated!!!!!
Thank you! 😀
Why would they build A Chang, a B&M stand-up when they already had a stand up?
Because the plan was likely to use Chang to replace Iron Wolf, while selling Iron Wolf to Six Flags America.
Our Six Flags sure has a lot of B&M’s.
1997 is the worst year for the Batman and Robin movie due to the biggest flop at the box office, budget cuts, and money loss, along the Mr. Freeze and Batman and Robin: the Chiller launch coasters won't launch between 1997 and 1998 seasons
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Green Lantern Six Flags Great American 2021
Batman Robin Six Flags Great American 2021
Raging Bull got built because Jim Wintrode loved B&M, B&M loved Great America, and basically brokered the deal behind Six Flags back. Remember Wintrode bought their first coaster and their first invert.
What no Mr freeze was ever coming to great america
im still mad about shockwave giving way to superman, deja vu being gone, and im not too convinced that i love goliath or x flight. the 90s were really great for great america. I would love to have some say in my home park's future. My main criticism is that they barely ever add attractions, even flat rides, that aren't at the expense of another attraction. I think the relocation of the go-carts is poor use of land, and im frustrated that for such a busy park, they can't add a higher capacity/longer roller coaster with 3 trains. They went cheap with a single loading station for superman, and all major roller coasters since have the same issue. Half the parking lot is dedicated to a water park that is only functional 3 months a year. They really need to... Extend the main entrance gate to the roadway where parking tickets are issued. build a parking structure in the northernmost portion of the parking lot. be smart about how they rest of the land freed up from the main parking lot, and add a giga, a star flyer, a wonder woman lasso-type attraction. RMC American eagle. Intamin blitz coaster or premier dueling launch a la west coast racers where the boat/log rides are in yukon territory, or where the go carts/little dipper is, with an entrance by bucaneer battle. Move the little dipper to the new entrance midway extension so that the area in yukon territory that includes that as well as the go-cart track can become something else. stop building mild, short attractions with incredible ride systems and manufacturers when we are so close geographically to the Ohio parks that are absolutely killing it.
Where is part 2 about Green Lantern???? That would be so interesting to see!! This video was great
Thank you! I'm waiting for Six Flags Great America to open to get the footage for it. The script is already mostly finished. So hopefully, soon!
Still waiting on Part 2!
@@ParkPros Is part 2 ever going to come out? I am really interested in seeing this.
@@plighting_engineerd never say never, but my content has changed quite a bit since this came out.
@@ParkPros Ah, alright. One more question: I've been searching for over an hour for the meeting agenda shown at 3:55. Google hasn't been giving me anything, nor has searching the records on the village of gurnee's website. Do you happen to remember where you got that screenshot?
Do Chang it was supposed to come to SFGAm but was canceled and was sent to SFGadv
That would’ve been cool
Where did you find out about this
I wish SFGA got a Mr. Freeze instead of The Chiller. It probably would have still been standing today and could have been returned to other DC properties if not put into reverse like the others.
Anybody remember river rapids?
I live by great adventure and rode the chiller when it was there. AWFUL coaster! Great America was better off without it.
LIM Coaster 1 has broken down
Camp Cartoon has taken the spot for the cancelled Mr. Freeze coaster!
WHAT?? WE WERE SUPPOSED TO GET A MR FREEZE???
I personally don't think I would enjoy a Mr. Freeze at Great America.
Considering premier rides were a pretty new company it’s good that the disaster of those new rides launching didn’t ruin the company and their relationship with six flags!
Cool video. Though on paper this entire concept seems like a stretch, the synopsis is convincing and the video is engaging.
I think not having Mr. Freeze is for the best. SFGAm has a much better lineup than SFOT and especially SFStL with a B&M hyper, an RMC woodie, and an S&S air thrust launched coaster. SFStL ended up with two awesome woodies, but we all know how much SF takes care of wooden coasters. They haven't even gotten a Free Spin or Raptor yet.
With that being said Mr. Freeze still kicjs ass, especially as Reverse Blast, and particularly the St. Louis version surrounded by the Rapids and isolated with its theming. I always thought they could fit a flat ride inside that giant overbank.
I like those transitions but they remind me a little too much of Captain Midnight, personally I'd change it up a bit.
Omg this video is soooo good!
Thanks!
im kinda glad we dont have mr freeze it wouldve shaken everything up too much..
Great vid. Never heard this story before. Glad to see history turned out just the way it did though. I'll take the current lineup over any potential changes that Mr. Freeze's addition could have made.
I wish we got a mr.freez clone instead of demon😔 but raging bull is better
This is the best coaster vid ever thanks u just made my week 😊
Wow, thanks!
well im glad they didnt cuz maxx force is insane
PLEASE keep doing this series. I’ve been dying to know what other ideas cedar point passed on since I found out maverick was almost a floorless B&M
Do other Six Flags parks if they are as interesting as this
Great video!!! Love seeing the history of my hometown park. Keep the great America vids coming
What happened to the next part?
Nooooooo why it would have been so cool to have these at the park
I miss iron wolf although it was a crotch squishier
One of the good things about sfstl being my hp is I can ride mr freeze all the time
as someone whos ridden mr freeze they missed out big time
At least we got Sprocket Rockets
I will have revenge on Gotham!
Nice intro song 🐺🐺
2:33 ayyy nice name
Great video! Keep up the good work!!!
Im just waiting for the thanos, darkseid and scarlet witch coasters but i don't think the solomon grundy coaster is gonna work out
abroad in japan music
I want to see that next video! It looks cool
Yes! I too want to know what Great America missed out on in 2010!!!
Pain
My home park is six flags great america
Mr.freeze for V2