Pretty cool! I’ve been in this state all my life. I’d heard of Sandia cave but my anthropology professor refused to discuss it. This is the best visual presentation I’ve ever seen or am likely to see. I’m wheelchair bound now and will never get to see it, so this was fantastic! Thanks! I’ve been fascinated with paleoindians since early childhood. When asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, my answer was Caveman! I figured that these people had good knowledge. If they could live here and I could learn what they knew, I could survive just about anywhere! I’m 64 now and still maintain that opinion.
I really appreciate your compliments 😊 I am so happy to hear when these videos are being enjoyed. I’m sorry you won’t be able to go, but glad I could take you there. Have a wonderful day.
Access to the cliff was certainly easier when the cave was used 12,000 years ago. A lot of erosion can take place over that period of time. Huge volumes of rock may have fallen and eroded away since then.
Fascinating! I'm a native of Arizona and have always been fascinated by the Paleo-Indian cultures of the southwest. Thank you so much for your very interesting video. I've just discovered your channel and have subscribed.
Great video, nicely done. Years ago, a friend of mine, & I used to hike above the cave & tent camp up there in the snow. Another friend of mine found a Folsom point on the other side of the Sandia's, next to the Tramway parking lot! Thank you for sharing,🎥 Happy trails.😎
The depth of the artifact layers demonstrates the age of the site. The upper part of the formation happened on top of the artifactlayers which is why nobody had to climb down there.
I admire your intuition to check for access points above the cave. Art teacher here. Art history, especially pre-columbian, is a passion. I’m subscribing. If you’re ever hiking & filming around Las Vegas, NV I’ll volunteer behind the camera. Would appreciate an ancestral perspective & insight.
Awesome presentation!!! A place I just put on the to see list! This is a huge interest of mine. I’ve been collecting artifacts for a long time. I find them in the farm field’s around my house, and in the creeks. In Illinois. When I’m not searching for points, I’m studying about the ancient cultures. I just found your channel and subbed ya!!! Thanks for the look and good luck to you!!!
How I remember the difference between stalagmites & stalagtites is stalagtites have to hang on tight not to fall. I learned that in elementary school. It stuck with me.
Nothing like getting a TH-cam recommended vid that's over two years old, but this one was totally worth it. I'm in that area now and then, so will be checking out that cave! Ventana cave in Arizona has a similar super archaic history...don't know if it's public access tho'...
You have to contact the tribe to get a permit to hike to Ventana cave. I still haven’t been there but hope to be there soon. Please let me know if you go. Tell me what it’s like. Thank you for watching my video and leaving this comment.
Just watched a video that mentioned this, then watched your video. I appreciate your personal touch, so much better than the hyper active robotic voice videos. Good information and visuals. I might visit sometime. Thanks
Refreshing to hear gud hilites of subject ,ive studied for decades an it great such new voices views to educate us. im half Lakota, so yes all peoples matter, ha.
Great video. I just finished a chapter in Douglas Preston's latest book ("The Lost Tomb: And Other Real-life Stories of Bones, Burial, and Murder") which deals extensively with the Sandia Cave controversy. Thanks for your intelligent discussion of the subject, and for showing us the setting for this story.
Wow! You’re beautiful! Anyway, many years ago I went to the cave with a group home i was in. 12 boys went into the cave with an adult. We had 3 flaslights. Of course the biggest kids had them. When we got to the end, those three boys ran out, leaving us in pitch black darkness. Thank goodness I had a lighter. So i had to navigate carefully out of the cave, using the lighter sparingly. It took 1.5 hours to get out. Many kids were crying and one was absolutely apoplectic and had to be dragged out. The only one who got in trouble was me…for having a lighter at 11 years old. They didn’t find my smokes. 😎
As a child we were taught about sandia cave didn't find out about eleged fraud till adulthood wich ruined my thought process like finding out about santa I wish they would continue archeology research to confirm or rebuke claims
You are so lucky to live in such a beautiful place. That’s an absolutely gorgeous landscape. They actually have done quite a bit of archaeology there at Sandia cave. Would you like me to send you some of the more recent research about that place that explains current archaeological thought about what was found there? One newer detail is that Sandia points are not only found there. They are found elsewhere as well, at places that date to more recently than Hibben’s assumption about all Sandia points.
There are interesting archeology sites on other side of mountain in tijeras that very little is known about ( pueblo/village and petroglyphs ) that only locals know about such as myself
Thanks for the video taken from above the cave. ...It is not beyond the pale that the cliff eroded in 12,000 years. I’m totally down with the age, as originally calculated.
‘Tis true. I know that happened in East Oregon and Washington scablands. Im not sure what the impact would have been so far southeast as New Mexico. Some modern geologists present evidence that the Grand Canyon may have formed faster than previously thought. I’m not a geologist so I cant say, but I do think the topic is interesting. I can say that modern Zuni (New Mexico) do tell of a great flood event as part of their oral history.
I'm certainly not well versed enough to definitively say that the "clovis first" school of thought is completely wrong. I am however intelligent enough to know that humans are amazingly innovative and that our drive to explore is such that I find it really hard to believe that there was simply a wave of humans that came from one direction (land bridge) and spread across the nation. Humans are fascinating creatures. Its not hard to believe that we could have come by boat, or from the south. Who knows! I think it is far more likely that there were multiple entries from various points into north America over thousands of years...that is just the nature of humans. I am absolutely fascinated with the entire story of humans. No matter how we came here lol!! I have a feeling that the next decade is going to turn the story on its side. With the advances we are making in tech. , I expect things to evolve rather rapidly in the coming years.
Hello, My name is William West and I am related to Frank C. Hibben on my father's side. I am very much interested in his life and would love if you could share any documentation I could acquire for my own references, It would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Hi! Thanks for reaching out. I think you should contact the archaeologist at the campground I feature in the video. He has a LOT of information because he used to run a museum there and a lot of it was about that cave. He and his wife run the place, or did when I was there. Good luck! Keep me posted on your progress and let me know if anything exciting comes from your research.
😂 The first question my husband asked me was, “Do you like sports?” Me: “No.” Him: “What about hockey?” Me: “No.” But I liked him. I bought him a ticket to the Redwings and the rest is history.
Interesting. Frank Hibben also happens to be the "discoverer" of another controversial new mexico site called Los Lunas Decalogue Stone. The guy definitely has a shady reputation. Los Lunas has so many holes in its story and is most likely a hoax put on by Hibben. There are recent discoveries of archeological sites that date back to around 20,000 years... one called Cactus Hill in Virginia. The Gault Site in Texas as well. The Meadowcroft Rock shelter in Pennsylvania also odates back to 16-18k years ago. The mammoth site in California dates back perhaps hundreds of thousands of years.
Dr. Hi Ben has a stellar reputation in the area of SW Anthropology. He was instrumental in collecting data from sites that pushed back the accepted age of humans in North America. He was a pioneer in the field of Anthropology and led the way for younger scientists to make additional discoveries.
Great video. Whats up with the symbology of the floor plate at 5:11? 😉 Mainstream says modern humans go back at least 200,000 years. And also ‘writing’ emerged only about 6000 years ago. One of these is a lie.
There is no controversy about the findings of Dr Hibbon except that advanced by this young lady Angeline Duran. She speaks subjectively about her thoughts which are meaningless in the science of Anthropology.
@@AncientSouthwest think there is controversy with all archeology, it is the healthy discussion of the findings. There may be more controversy regarding this dig , and I think you have maybe been more open to Dr Hibbon's theory's than many might have
What about the red headed European that’s 14,000 years old they found in Nevada that the tribes won’t let anyone examine it. Kinda kills who was first into this country.
No European humans were on the North American continent 14,000 years ago. Dark hair on mummified humans often turns red after interment. (Chemical reaction.) Indigenous people in United States don’t let scientists examine ANY bodies. NAGPRA protects that. Most bodies examined by archaeologists are found by archaeologists who somehow worked around NAGPRA or found the body before NAGPRA was law. 14,000 yr old bodies on this continent were indigenous to Northeastern Siberia. We know that now from DNA analysis.
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Pretty cool! I’ve been in this state all my life. I’d heard of Sandia cave but my anthropology professor refused to discuss it. This is the best visual presentation I’ve ever seen or am likely to see. I’m wheelchair bound now and will never get to see it, so this was fantastic! Thanks! I’ve been fascinated with paleoindians since early childhood. When asked what I wanted to be when I grew up, my answer was Caveman! I figured that these people had good knowledge. If they could live here and I could learn what they knew, I could survive just about anywhere! I’m 64 now and still maintain that opinion.
I really appreciate your compliments 😊 I am so happy to hear when these videos are being enjoyed. I’m sorry you won’t be able to go, but glad I could take you there. Have a wonderful day.
Access to the cliff was certainly easier when the cave was used 12,000 years ago. A lot of erosion can take place over that period of time. Huge volumes of rock may have fallen and eroded away since then.
Your gorgeous ! Enjoyed the visit to Sandia cave through you thoroughly !
A very good job. Thanks for the tour.
Fascinating! I'm a native of Arizona and have always been fascinated by the Paleo-Indian cultures of the southwest.
Thank you so much for your very interesting video. I've just discovered your channel and have subscribed.
Thank you! 😃
Well presented. I enjoyed the content too.
Great video, nicely done. Years ago, a friend of mine, & I used to hike above the cave & tent camp up there in the snow.
Another friend of mine found a Folsom point on the other side of the Sandia's, next to the Tramway parking lot! Thank you for sharing,🎥 Happy trails.😎
The depth of the artifact layers demonstrates the age of the site. The upper part of the formation happened on top of the artifactlayers which is why nobody had to climb down there.
I admire your intuition to check for access points above the cave. Art teacher here. Art history, especially pre-columbian, is a passion.
I’m subscribing. If you’re ever hiking & filming around Las Vegas, NV I’ll volunteer behind the camera. Would appreciate an ancestral perspective & insight.
Smart and pretty 👍
Outstanding video !! Thank You !! 👍👍
Awesome content! Very interesting.
Thank you for this video.
Awesome presentation!!! A place I just put on the to see list! This is a huge interest of mine. I’ve been collecting artifacts for a long time. I find them in the farm field’s around my house, and in the creeks. In Illinois. When I’m not searching for points, I’m studying about the ancient cultures. I just found your channel and subbed ya!!! Thanks for the look and good luck to you!!!
Omg I just went there and it was fun and sketchy great information and you are beautiful 😍
Wow
How I remember the difference between stalagmites & stalagtites is stalagtites have to hang on tight not to fall. I learned that in elementary school. It stuck with me.
Yes! You are right! I learned that too, but when I’m making videos, I get nervous and forget everything I know. Lol.
"Tites go up.
Mites come down."
* My method of remembering the difference between the two.
Nothing like getting a TH-cam recommended vid that's over two years old, but this one was totally worth it. I'm in that area now and then, so will be checking out that cave! Ventana cave in Arizona has a similar super archaic history...don't know if it's public access tho'...
You have to contact the tribe to get a permit to hike to Ventana cave. I still haven’t been there but hope to be there soon. Please let me know if you go. Tell me what it’s like. Thank you for watching my video and leaving this comment.
Just watched a video that mentioned this, then watched your video. I appreciate your personal touch, so much better than the hyper active robotic voice videos. Good information and visuals. I might visit sometime. Thanks
Many thanks 🙏
Refreshing to hear gud hilites of subject ,ive studied for decades an it great such new voices views to educate us. im half Lakota, so yes all peoples matter, ha.
Thank you so much for enjoying this! 😊
Great video. I just finished a chapter in Douglas Preston's latest book ("The Lost Tomb: And Other Real-life Stories of Bones, Burial, and Murder") which deals extensively with the Sandia Cave controversy. Thanks for your intelligent discussion of the subject, and for showing us the setting for this story.
Wow! You’re beautiful! Anyway, many years ago I went to the cave with a group home i was in. 12 boys went into the cave with an adult. We had 3 flaslights. Of course the biggest kids had them. When we got to the end, those three boys ran out, leaving us in pitch black darkness. Thank goodness I had a lighter. So i had to navigate carefully out of the cave, using the lighter sparingly. It took 1.5 hours to get out. Many kids were crying and one was absolutely apoplectic and had to be dragged out. The only one who got in trouble was me…for having a lighter at 11 years old. They didn’t find my smokes. 😎
Fun adventure! But why 1.5 hours? It is a relatively shallow cave. Did it used to be deeper?
@@AncientSouthwest no flashlights, 8 screaming frightened children, a half empty lighter with a feeble flame…t’was pure terror I tell you…
@@Specter1065 😂 Of course!
As a child we were taught about sandia cave didn't find out about eleged fraud till adulthood wich ruined my thought process like finding out about santa I wish they would continue archeology research to confirm or rebuke claims
You are so lucky to live in such a beautiful place. That’s an absolutely gorgeous landscape. They actually have done quite a bit of archaeology there at Sandia cave. Would you like me to send you some of the more recent research about that place that explains current archaeological thought about what was found there? One newer detail is that Sandia points are not only found there. They are found elsewhere as well, at places that date to more recently than Hibben’s assumption about all Sandia points.
We used to find arrow heads just on the ground I still have a few never looked into them but should
If the cave was populated with fine women like you, believe me, I'd grow wings and fly!
There are interesting archeology sites on other side of mountain in tijeras that very little is known about ( pueblo/village and petroglyphs ) that only locals know about such as myself
Hi
Thanks for the video taken from above the cave. ...It is not beyond the pale that the cliff eroded in 12,000 years. I’m totally down with the age, as originally calculated.
Great video , I do rock art tours in southern NM .
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@@robertallen6710 That’s great I am not on the internet. Don’t want to be or need to be .
A extinction event may have changed the face of the cliff
‘Tis true. I know that happened in East Oregon and Washington scablands. Im not sure what the impact would have been so far southeast as New Mexico. Some modern geologists present evidence that the Grand Canyon may have formed faster than previously thought. I’m not a geologist so I cant say, but I do think the topic is interesting. I can say that modern Zuni (New Mexico) do tell of a great flood event as part of their oral history.
not bad! Ill sub
Thank you ☺️
I'm certainly not well versed enough to definitively say that the "clovis first" school of thought is completely wrong. I am however intelligent enough to know that humans are amazingly innovative and that our drive to explore is such that I find it really hard to believe that there was simply a wave of humans that came from one direction (land bridge) and spread across the nation.
Humans are fascinating creatures. Its not hard to believe that we could have come by boat, or from the south. Who knows! I think it is far more likely that there were multiple entries from various points into north America over thousands of years...that is just the nature of humans.
I am absolutely fascinated with the entire story of humans. No matter how we came here lol!! I have a feeling that the next decade is going to turn the story on its side. With the advances we are making in tech. , I expect things to evolve rather rapidly in the coming years.
Are there any Younger Dryas black mat deposits in the area?
Unfortunately I am not well versed enough in geology to answer that question.
Good question
Hello, My name is William West and I am related to Frank C. Hibben on my father's side.
I am very much interested in his life and would love if you could share any documentation I could acquire for my own references, It would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Hi! Thanks for reaching out. I think you should contact the archaeologist at the campground I feature in the video. He has a LOT of information because he used to run a museum there and a lot of it was about that cave. He and his wife run the place, or did when I was there. Good luck! Keep me posted on your progress and let me know if anything exciting comes from your research.
I like hockey and sausages.
😂 The first question my husband asked me was, “Do you like sports?” Me: “No.” Him: “What about hockey?” Me: “No.” But I liked him. I bought him a ticket to the Redwings and the rest is history.
Those Paleo-Indiens already invented steel, paint and the stairs.!!!!
everything has a spirit..we call rocks, our grandfathers, up here in ontario ..the seven grandfather teachings
My people call it corn.
Please make a bedtime story channel.
Tell me more… I might…!
Ngl I like to get water from the steam by the path
Interesting. Frank Hibben also happens to be the "discoverer" of another controversial new mexico site called Los Lunas Decalogue Stone. The guy definitely has a shady reputation. Los Lunas has so many holes in its story and is most likely a hoax put on by Hibben. There are recent discoveries of archeological sites that date back to around 20,000 years... one called Cactus Hill in Virginia. The Gault Site in Texas as well. The Meadowcroft Rock shelter in Pennsylvania also odates back to 16-18k years ago. The mammoth site in California dates back perhaps hundreds of thousands of years.
Dr. Hi Ben has a stellar reputation in the area of SW Anthropology. He was instrumental in collecting data from sites that pushed back the accepted age of humans in North America. He was a pioneer in the field of Anthropology and led the way for younger scientists to make additional discoveries.
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Great video. Whats up with the symbology of the floor plate at 5:11? 😉
Mainstream says modern humans go back at least 200,000 years. And also ‘writing’ emerged only about 6000 years ago. One of these is a lie.
Kronos - Thanks bud. Obviously 5:11 is a plasma sneeze 🤗
There is no controversy about the findings of Dr Hibbon except that advanced by this young lady Angeline Duran. She speaks subjectively about her thoughts which are meaningless in the science of Anthropology.
Odd comment. The controversy about Hibbon is well documented for anyone to read. Play nice with others, young grasshopper.
@@AncientSouthwest think there is controversy with all archeology, it is the healthy discussion of the findings. There may be more controversy regarding this dig , and I think you have maybe been more open to Dr Hibbon's theory's than many might have
What about the red headed European that’s 14,000 years old they found in Nevada that the tribes won’t let anyone examine it. Kinda kills who was first into this country.
No European humans were on the North American continent 14,000 years ago. Dark hair on mummified humans often turns red after interment. (Chemical reaction.) Indigenous people in United States don’t let scientists examine ANY bodies. NAGPRA protects that. Most bodies examined by archaeologists are found by archaeologists who somehow worked around NAGPRA or found the body before NAGPRA was law. 14,000 yr old bodies on this continent were indigenous to Northeastern Siberia. We know that now from DNA analysis.
You are beautiful! Wow
In Crete a discovery of rafts showed 100K history. Yes 10times 10K yrs. Not 'accepted' by archeology? So what? Grasp the facts, disregard consensus.
Poor lonely researcher talks to TH-camr in hopes of...
Be great if you could learn pronunciation of words….
Such as? Help me out. Always open to self improvement.
It would be great if you could learn better sentence structure and proper punctuation,
Carolyn.