Headon did in fact know Baam and that he would return. SIU originally had the part where Baam enters the Tower differently and eventually changed that part for revealing too much information. Originally when Baam enters, Headon said "Welcome 25th Baam- the boy who was born the day the Tower cried." Headon knows EVERYTHING.
A way outside the tower has been a mystery for a long time, can't wait for SIU to shine more light over this topic, who is the outside god?, Ghost's true identity, and more.
I think jahad locked anyone from Going beyond him is that there something above those floors that not even the ten great families and himself could defeat. I think even though jahad was foretold he would be king but also be killed. Jahad took steps to stop bam who basically the true god of the tower from being born. Kind of like a person to lead his people out the tower. Arlene body might have been taken outside the tower by enryu who was the messenger of the gods and also brought bam back since they said his shin suit could bring back life, the thorns was left by enryu because he knew bam would be in danger and Fug has been waiting for Bam the true god of the tower
Well if you read the wiki which has some information about SIU's old works(which I presume have now been deleted) there were numerous pictures of a tower and Axis' talking to each other. I read in one of the dialogs that there actually exists and entity called 'GOD' who gives the Axis their godlike powers. And in there was the mention of someone called Duke who proposed to the Axis that he will create a GOD since the current GOD isn't listening to them. Now the entire tower may very well be a training facility which is used to choose a candidate to become GOD and since Jahad having blocked the floors and thereby stopping the purpose of the tower is a hindrance , the outside GOD may very well be an Axis who is taking part in the plan or maybe Duke himself....this is all assumption since SIU can change the story line as he wishes
many people theorize that ghost is the ghost or final remnant of V that died and since he coule use shinwonryuu or shinsu black hole that only irregular could do its possible i guess
the only reason I have against Rachel being Arlene's maid is she called Arlene "Arlene". She didn't called her "Ms Arlene" or "Lady Arlene". In Korea, you don't refer to people of higher status with their first name, it's use when people are friends or of the same status
The book could have been Arlene's journal! Maybe Rachel stole it?? Maybe. She always wanted to be the "main character" so maybe she imagined herself in the journal in Bam's place. I think the book theory makes sense. (I still can't believe I'm even named Rachel like Rachel irl... ugh! Thank god the name Bruna is embedded in everyone's head here! Cause... omg!) Anywho, I loved your video, Joe! I love the editing you do to make it funny on some parts. Lol! You did a really great job! Keep it up, man! ^^ ♡
@@avaneeshjadhav255 She’s more fleshed out, she has negative character traits, she was the one chosen by the tower and bam took it from her, she doesn’t get random main character powerups every arc, etc. She has a beautiful character of being the main character who had the role stolen from her by bam.
I always thought Arlene made a deal with Headon. Something like “in exchange for V, you will tell me how to leave this dreadful tower.”Idk just a theory but Headon is the main antagonist of this story no doubt. Like how come his floor has murals, which apparently foreshadows the entire story? Did he carved them? is he an axis and the tower is his field? Or can he see fate?
In my mind there is two possibility : First one because she is ARLENE she used some kind of ancient magic/power probably with the help of one of the administraitor to go out. Or because even Gustang had never find how to go out, it's maybe only because it has to be someone outside the tower who take you outside the Tower, maybe the Enryu's King or an other Axe user. You have to be chosen to come in the Tower, you have to be chosen to get out of the Tower. Nice video !
I believe the outside god purposely let her out of the Tower. My reason for thinking so is that based on all the setup we have seen so far the god of the outside seems to be the being which is the master of the tower or something like that. As Headon says to everyone that whatever one desires can be found by climbing the tower.....it seems that the existence of the tower is solely for the people to climb it.....which is now obstructed by Jahad. Hence, it would make sense that the god is trying the free the deadlock of the tower by using baam or something otherwise it makes no logical sense for a god to help a crazy woman write a prophecy with her dead child.
Or maybe she can escape from tower with the help she receive from Headon? If all of the irregulars can enter the tower on their own will, can they do the opposite? What I mean is can they just exit the tower from the door they all went in?
My theory is that the tower is actually upside down, which is why the shinsu density increases with each level of the floor, and so if that is the case the only feasible way to leave the tower would be from the first floor. I also feel like not many people would think of that within the tower.
What if Headon is connected to Gustang? It was implied that he's talking to him at the end of the workshop. If that is so, then maybe Gustang already knew how to leave the tower and the truth about V and Bam. But anyway, this is why I'm subscribed to you Joe, your theories are always S Tier! Thank you!!
Do you mean Gustang was talking to Headon at the end of Floor of Death arc? Cause I’m pretty sure Gustang was talking to Macseth at the end Workshop battle. Just my theory though
@@Aki-dx9bg It make no sense for gustang to talk with macseth in that occasion . Since he literally called rachel a pawn of that person , its most likely headon
@@KyRiAkOsTheGreaT2 I think Gustang was talking to the person who he was speaking to during the workshop battle arc and it seems like that person is very much connected to the workshop as Gustang became the supervisor in his place probably
@@KyRiAkOsTheGreaT2 That’s….literally what I said lol. Gustang was most likely taking to Headon at the end of Floor of Death since they were discussing about a certain “pawn” that probably refers to Rachel. Before, I was referring to Gustang most likely talking to Macseth at the end of Workshop Battle
Farfetch theories: 1. An irregular like enryu and phantaminum could have taken Arlene with them. 2. There was a book passed down through the outside of the tower to leave the tower. 3. The workshop may actually know and be hiding it. Maybe the founder of the workshop is someone else who does not know gustang. 4. If Rachel's family were taking care of Arlene, then she may have high status. Arlene may have been some sort of "royal". Why were only a few people sent in the tower. It may have come down to status. 5. Bam may have been baby-sitted by Rachel and she seems to be very manipulative. Your point about the book leads off of point#2. This book may have been passed down through Arlenes "royal" family or even Arlene. Headon may have not given his name to anyone. Note: these theories are probably really stupid but you never know. Edit: Irregulars are unpredictable. Maybe Headon could not tell that Jahad would be a symbol of terror for many. So out of "fear" he helps Arlene to take Jahad down. Headon may have been created by an axis.
I’ve been saying that for the longest time. Bam slept for thousands of years outside the tower and Rachel was right there in the perfect spot and at the perfect time to find him. She already knew about the tower, she is the one that brought bam inside the tower and she is the one that got bam to wanting to climb the tower. How can all this be a coincidence
Theory: Because of so many Baam Jesus parallels, I think irregulars are like celestial beings, and the tower is the "mortal realm". I think "leaving the tower" is akin to leaving the Karmic cycle/mortal realm. I think Jahad is a Luciferian figure (hello, horns!) Think "I'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven." The original irregular troupe are "fallen angels" and Jahad wants to plug up the afterlife/ "moving on" cycle in order to maintain power. Once he leaves the tower, he's not the most important or powerful. Baam is sent to right this wrong and get the whole cycle back on track.
Hi Joe ! I have a video suggestion for you. I read ToG twice now, but the chronology of the Tower as a whole still escapes me. How was the Tower before Jahad and his companions came (like the system of regular and ranker, the hierarchy), the war, Genesis, Enryu coming in the Tower... Basically all important event explained in order and how much time between them. I hope you make it one day ! (I'm gonna post this exact same message two or three times on your next videos so I'm sure you would have a good chance to read it once)
Good stuff! I really like this theory. I honestly forgot about headon being mentioned on the outside in a book. I think IF Rachel never met Arlene, but only read the book, AND if time flows the same on the inside as it does on the outside, then from the time Arlene left to the time Rachel was alive would've been thousands of years, so Arlene's story could've been handed down by word of mouth and written accounts, so it then takes the rout of LOTR's "history became legend, and legend became myth." Another thing to think about is, if Rachel knew all about this tower beforehand, is it possible that many others around Rachel also tried to find the door, or to enter the tower, but were unable? Too much we don't know bro. And I know there's no proof, but my theory is that Arlene found out how to use or made the spell Astral projection. in almost the same way that the dnd 9th level spell is used. you leave your body and can travel to different planes. Basically, plane shifting to outside the tower. Now, Arlene made her promise and prophesy BEFORE she left. meaning she somehow communicated with the outside god or knew it made deals and was sure it'd make a deal with her to raise bam from the dead and get her revenge. Another thing is her pocket being left behind. If she left physically, shouldn't she have taken that with her? Why leave your diary behind? Unless it was her and Bam's souls that left. And what Enne found was not just Arlene's pocket, but the soulless bodies of baby Bam and Arlene. Then after reading her diary, Enne would see how Arlene was supposed to have escaped the tower, and bam was supposed to be the chosen one. But with both of their corpses were right in front of her and all hope of beating Jahad would seem pointless, the prophesy in her eyes, had failed. Lol. But my theory is mega reaching and the majority of it is head cannon, and compounded speculation. It's just my mental gymnastics at trying to make sense of this mystery.
one thing id like to point out is that during the rachel flashback during season one, I feel like it was insinuated that headon knew that baam was coming? like he says something about the doors not being for rachel or smth which happens before baam comes up I found it headon says "its not you. the person the tower chose...its not you." so I think he did know baam PLUS BONUS: while I was rereading that area to get the chapter, after rachel sees baam pass the test headon says this about baam "he was quite brave and special...running toward that monster like a hero out of a fairy tale" AND THIS SEEMS SO INTENTIONAL yes this is my rant :D
Headon plays a major role in the story that has not been explored yet he is the only floor guardian that still gives test while rankers give the ones on the other floors
hey! I like your theory, but it's missing a part that just occurred to me... maybe the way to get out of the tower, which uses headon, is on the floor that jahad banned. that would make jahad the king of all and that no one could escape. clearly only jahad knows that and that's why he closed the floor and settled there, lying to the other heads of families to prevent people from having the option to leave and in his hunger for power, rule everyone forever... it is not logical for someone who always wants more power, stop conquering new territories, unless that entails the risk of giving people the option of escaping
I think headon is an axis and that's why he can teleport to any floor and is so powerful I also think that he is the one that wrote jahad and company's story
Rachel was never a person I considered would have anything to do with this, but now I think that her having something to do with all this is very plausible. Well reasoned, Joe! Nice work! Day 12 of asking for a theory video on the murals in tog
I think Rachel knows Arlene personally, the way she brings up her name shows some familiarity. Especially the one time she was sad and she mentioned Arlene, that indicated a strong familiarity not to mention she said Arlene called Baam a monster. Even if that was a lie I do think Arlene talked to her about Baam
I think that Headon knows the way out of the tower and he showed her the way out so that she could offer Bam to the Outside God and give him some entertainment in the future, because Headon has been shown to enjoy the suffering of those he sees has beneath him, like he did with Rachel. But Headon definitely knows a way out of HIS tower because as the caretaker of the tower and an administrator he is likely the most powerful being in the tower. And in the tower, it's survival of the finest.
My question about outside the tower is, is there shinsu out there? And if not, how would these ancient, immortal beings who’ve depended on shinsu to be powerful react to stepping outside the tower? Would the be normal all of the sudden?
There is no shinsu outside the tower the ten families came with there own weapons from outside that had to be modified by the workshop to work with shinsu see arie hon also there is a workshop outside the tower as well
Somewhat off-topic, but in this video there is an idea I would like to challenge. That is the idea that Enryu cares about Arlene at all. The only reason anyone would think that is because of the line "as if unable to forgive the land being defiled like that, he appeared" but that's just Garam talking right? It's her Interpretation of that event, as a person who wasn't present and doesn't know Enryu. While impressive, what Enryu did doesn't seem to have had much impact on Jahad's rule. Enryu has done remarkably little to damage Jahad for someone supposedly anti-Jahad and capable of wiping the floor with administrators. So I think Enryu just carried out orders given to him by the outside god and has little personal stake in the matter.
i agree but i also kinda disagree- we can insinuate garam knows more about arlene's story from what she says after baam leaves (how he's not ready for the full story or smth), so I think we can give way more credit to her around that part of the story. idk it could go both ways for me so i don't really wanna cancel it out
Gustang is working with Headon too. Just before the virtual floor arc begins we get a panel of Gustang talking to someone (anonymous) on a pocket, and he says something like 'ive given your pawn a very useful item" referring to the treasure eating stingray. Literally who else would Rachel be a "pawn" to? After headon said he'd make her the heroine of this story
Couldn't you argue that Phantaminum is able to enter and exit the tower at will and thus be able to do the same to someone. Why couldn't he have gotten involved earlier behind the scenes. His attack on Jahad's palace is just is first very noticeable action to the wider public of the tower.
phanta is axis ; enryu isn't axis to enter in the tower without by help of another axis ; urek entered in the tower but he couldn't leave the tower ; and no one entered in the tower without permission of hedon except phanta axis ; and enryu because of another axis ;
There are so many unanswered questions. It's gonna take decades to finish this story and answer all those questions😅 I'm most curious about why jahad stopped on the 134th floor.
@@taz4895 i feel like siu just chose randomly a number higher than 100. But maybe there is something on the floor itself, a test so hard Jahad was ashamed he couldn't do it and just closed it for everyone ?
So can someone explain something here, RACHEL TALKS AS IF SHE HAS NEVER SEEN THE OUTSIDE... HER DREAM IS TO SEE THE REAL STARS. Isn’t the only place Rachel seen, the cave where baam was. If she lived on the outside she would have definitely seen stars and a pretty view right?
I have this one idea that i've held with myself for quite some time: When Jahad killed Bam, V and Arlene knew that Jahad could potentially come to kill them too, so they wanted to escape but they didn't know how to leave the tower. Headon appears! (or they(or only V) go to Headon) and Headon offers V a contract (because he doesn't have a contract, unlike the other family heads). The contract dictates that V becomes Headon's puppet and gives his own life and free will away to Headon for exchange of letting Arlene escape Jahad and leave the tower. V sacrifices himself for Arlene, accepts the contract and he becomes Ghost, that's how Ghost is able to use shinsu black hole sphere, which only irregulars can use. Also, if i remember correctly Garam said something like "I couldn't tell him that part of the story after all" so maybe "that part of the story" is that V didn't just kill himself out of nowhere but instead sacrificed himself for Arlene. In my head this makes so much sense.
only issue is that ghost seems to be only as powerful as a very strong regular. no hints that he's secretly as powerful as a FH lol. i guess we can't know for sure. honestly i think his design is too weird to be V also
Headon probably doesn't like Zahard being the king (that's why he supports FUG)because he knows Bam is the true god of the tower, he probably knows all the Exis users, Headon is probably on the first in the tower after someone or might be "The God Of The Outside World" made the tower
Heidan is the caretaker of the 'entire' tower, maybe he doesn't like what Jahad and the ten family heads have made of the tower, but since he is bound by the contract to accept Jahad as the king of the tower he can't go against him directly, that doesn't mean he can't help anti-jahad people right. Maybe heidan was one of the guardians who didn't want to accept the contracts proposed be jahad and the family heads but since majority of the guardians accepted, he had to give in. Bam and fug might be a way for him to restore the tower to its original glory and way before any irregulars entered it. 😱
Late to the party here, but I am sorry if this sort of thing has been said, but my theory is that Arlene had knowledge to the outside god before entering the tower. The reason I think that is the rules of spells outlined in Season 2 chapter 242: 1. The caster must not violate the rules of the spell once they are set. 2. The caster must receive help from a powerful medium or divine being. 3. The rank of a spell is determined by the power of the being or medium who helped with the spell. She is mentioned as being a powerful spell user and spells receive help from mediums or divine beings. The outside god sounds like a good divine being for helping with spells, and a powerful one that would allow very high rank spells to be used. If she knew about the outside god before entering the tower, the outside god could have been the help with the spells, and possibly the one that helped with the escape. It could have been a spell she developed after lots of research. This, of course, is speculation as I do not think we have seen spell R&D taking place. I can see her not having a spell for leaving the tower when she entered the tower because the tower is a unique place with its own rules and having a spell to circumvent them without fully knowing them seems very challenging. I feel it is possible that she managed to develop such a spell after enough time and effort, figuring out the rules necessary for such a spell to work.
I think the biggest Point for headon helping is, If He owns the Tower and the Tower i guess has purpose. So i think He is the Most pissed of that the Tower cant fullfill his purpose under jahad, becauce Nobody can reach the top.
I think that Arlene maybe explained it to Rachel and maybe Rachel was a little girl so Arlene told her like “there is a fairy” etc and showed her the book she wrote because clearly headon isn’t a fairy 😂
Obviously headon knows how to leave the tower because what will happen to irregulars when they fail his test ? HE WILL SEND THEM BACK OUTSIDE THE TOWER
I am late to the party but I do think Headon did know who was Baam but acted like he didn't. I believe this mainly because of two things: 1. When Rachel entered the tower, Headon said it's not you (He was waiting for someone but what he pulled into the tower was not the correct person) When Baam reaches he says "The Guest has arrived" not "A" - meaning the person who he was waiting on.. 2. I guess after what Baam tells Headon that he'd go up the tower for rachel is when he thought of the plan to let Rachel climb with Ghost as a motivation for Baam.
Sometimes I wonder why rachel makes bam follow him by purpose ? Not killing him and taunting him with arlene. Maybe she was told by someone or arlene that she’d be the main character
The higher you climbed the tower the longer you live so Rachel might be a descendant of people who knew him. Since baam mother can remove curses must have been worship
I'm pretty sure at some point I read Urek had said that he tried to get Gustang to tell him how to leave a because there were rummors he knew how to get out, maybe he is the one who helped her get out, my memory is a bit fuzzy on it but I think he had a crush on her or just got along very well so it's a possibility that he helped her.
if gustang knows how to get out becuase of the guy who can let you out ; is hedon ; and mecseth also knows how to get out because of hedon ; and hedon and mecseth know each other very well as they live in the tower yeons ; and workshop is made up by another axis user ; and it exists outside also ; mecseth and workshop thing is truely can be made up be oedipus (axis) as he loves to create artificial beings ; workshop and everyone in the tower have their own job; they are delighted to do what they are doing ; only people are fighting with each other for some kind of reason ; yet whosoever been trapped in the tower because of hedon let them in ; i dont think hedon will let anyone outside if he wont get return anything from them ; and arlene went out of the tower because of hedon ; and he can teleport and open the tower and took even people by force in and out ; and when you climb to the top you cant get out of the tower; because top of the building there's no exit ;
Could Headon be the one who gave the immortality contracts to the family heads and the king's contract to Jahad? Those contracts never made sense to me until now. How would the administrator of a floor in the middle of the tower be able to grant such powerful contracts, particularly the king's contract? It seems like administrators might be getting stronger the higher up the tower you go so if you made a contract like that on floor 120, why couldn't an administrator from floor 121+ not negate it or give someone else the power to negate it? It wouldn't make sense that Jahad was unkillable on all floors of the tower in that case, just from the floor the contract was made down would make a lot more sense. But if it's Headon and he's secretly the true ruler of the tower, that makes a lot more sense.
Maybe your theory explains more why he stopped at 134th floor. Maybe the administrator warned Jahad to not step on his floor or he will die. the other admins below maybe didnt give a fuck about if you're immortal.
Headon might have asked for Bam’s name not because he didn’t know he was Arlene’s son, but because Bam was named outside the tower and so Headon would have no way of knowing what his name was
headon knew the name of baam ; he even told when first he met with baam ; welcome 25th baam ; who was born when tower cried ; and hedon is axis himself if you dont know ;
Have you considered another option, that Arlene didn't leave the tower. All we have to go on is Garam relaying information from the diary from Arlene from before she left.
I think it's safe to say after a year this been posted that maybe it's the forbidden book that khun and gustang talked about. The book of the true history of the tower
Theory= Jahad reached the highest floor which is an exit to the tower. He let Arlene leave before keeping it all the way locked. He doesn't let any one go to the "higher floors" as a deal with the administrators. Jahad becomes an immortal king to always protect the exit for the administrators. If people left the tower it would drain the administrators life which would eventually kill them. People would leave the tower because they would be so strong, confident, and pretty much immortal outside. More people would climb harder and die. As the administrators become weaker it would be easier to climb. The tower revolts, leaves, or die and so do the administrators???
The real question is , where the fuck is Arlene , i refuse to believe she abandoned her son and shes dead or just ran away. I also think Headon could have helped Arlene in some way. Headon hates Jahad , Headon has an eye on Baam with Ghost. Headon is definitely related to FUG in someway. Headon knew about Baam will come up 1 day. The only thing Headon didnt see coming was Enryuu being the help and killed 1 of his brother admin. This is why Headon is following baam because he was given the thorns by Enryuu somehow and by keeping an eye on baam , Headon will find Enryuu 1 day somewhere in the tower or he will appear somewhere. I would expect the admins to be really on edge if Enryuu were to appear. A mass teleportation of admin would probably occur. As for Rachel where was she before meeting Baam? She was clearly not from the tower , she never saw the sky so i believe she never lived outside the tower. I feel like she was stuck in some house or something being a maid to someone like Arlene who was crazy or something. Rachel is the key for alot of thing even tho everyone hates her which is justicifed. lol
i agree that it was Headon that let Arlene leave the tower. he is actively working with FUG to destroy the Zahard empire. he's probably unhappy with how Zahard has changed, both himself and the tower, and wants to restore some kind of balance with Baam and FUG. anyways, when Rachel meets him, she says that Headon must be the fairy from the "legend." using that word implies a story that has been passed down for hundreds, if not thousands of years. and we do know that inside the tower, it has been thousands of years that Zahard and the 10 families have ruled the tower. and since most people in the tower don't even know of Arlene and V's existence, she likely left the tower with Baam's body thousands of years ago. Shinsoo can stop aging inside the tower, but outside I would think that's not the case. so i think we can safely assume that Arlene has been dead for a long time. so if she met the outside God (Headon maybe being the one who brought her to him?) and asked for Baam to be reborn to take revenge on Zahard, it must have come with some sort of time restriction or other conditions (like burying his body beneath the tower). Arlene probably wrote a book detailing her journey in the tower, including Headon being the "fairy" that guided them up, as well as what happened with Zahard and V and that her child would one day be reborn and take revenge on Zahard on her behalf. Rachel was probably a servant or someone of low-class on the outside but found the book and learned about the tower. she must've also found the place where Baam was buried. the way she came and went from the cave, it seems to imply that she had to sneak around to do it. she learned from the book that if you reached the top of the tower, you'd be able to see the stars and make your dreams come true basically. this aligns with her behavior in the tower, which has indicated she's unhappy with her appearance and her life and wishes to change. she may have even found the entrance to the tower, but was unable to open the door because she's unworthy; which is why she used Baam to open the door in the first chapter and was so upset when Headon said she still wasn't permitted to climb basically. the only thing that doesn't really line up with this is the panel where she says she doesn't care what Baam is to Arlene and that she thinks she's the "chosen one" or whatever from Arlene's legend. i don't see how she could think it would be her after finding where Baam was buried and obviously manipulating him to become attached to her so he would open the door for her. her thinking doesn't make sense unless she's just delusional, which seems too unlikely to me. it must have something to do with what Garam didn't tell Baam about Arlene, Zahard, and V. like that maybe Zahard is Baam's father and not V. i guess another possibility is Zahard was someone important on the outside and Rachel is his descendant, which would explain why there were Zahard's symbols outside the tower. but basically there has to be some additional connection between either Zahard or Arlene and Rachel for her thinking to make sense and i just can't quite figure it out yet. i'm guessing it won't be revealed until the very end of the story.
I did litteraly create the exact same theory but adding the part where the book could be arlene's journal (i also thought headon would he the way out for arlene)
What if the Outside God is Lord Rosemadder, from SIU's early comic Tailse Uzer Story? My reasons to think this are: The Outside God is named as such by Arlene, who may aknowledged it as above the Administrator's level. Not only that but, the Outside God may be a Axis User just like Phantaminum (and maybe whoever controlls the Tower), meaning that the Thorn it gave to Enryu, so he can deliver it to Bam, may be a domain where it has control or even a way of expanding it's domain inside the Tower. That would even corroborate with the theory that Shinsu is a Axis' domain, meaning that the Thorn is just a way to penetrate this Axis' Domain and corrupt it from the inside-out, gaining power over the Tower of God's story. Oh and the final thoughts: Lord Rosemadder is a extremelly powerful Axis User in the story, his name has Rose, so he may be related to the color Red and even use Thorns to fight? Like, just as roses have Thorns to protect them, he may use Thorns to define his own Axis Domain???
Outside God is more likely to be Oedipus the king of artificial creation who made Enryu who creates life with shinsu and resurrected Bam but maybe i'm wrong who know
What if the tower was built by headon or the god of the outside. Another theory is the tower was created for a purpose. I have read a lot of novel and manhua that as a tower wand in each novel or manhua the tower had a purpose either to select candidates for something or the tower is used to trap something
Enryu wrote the book for Arlene but V took her before him so he throw away the book and somehow Rachel found it. Now she thinks she is the chosen one. Someone give this chick a reality check! Madara you there?!
I'm actually thinkong about this; What if Arlen escaped at the BOTTOM of the tower? Rather than the top? Cuz think of it. Every regular, ranker, and irregular always go up the tower like they had no choice, but they didn't notice that going DOWN the tower was an option and an exit route. Of course there are some downsides to this theory such as those who oppose the theory itself, but it is a theory so don't get riled up. So what if the exit was down below, how would that connect to bam and rachel's first meeting? ALSO, how was rachel able to find Bam? I know, rachel read a book of something with the prophecy and stuff- BUT, if the book didn't mention Bam's whereabouts, THEN HOW THE FRIDGE DID SHE FIND HIM IN THAT CAVE. Might be also worth mentioning that Bam is from I think the BOTTOM BOTTOM (meaning, lower than the ground floor) of the tower. And in the latest chapter, Chapter 525, Vicente said Bam was "a master key." And what if Vicente meant more than those words? Bam could possibly be an ultimate key, and if he absorbs all of the 13 month series and the other stuff (I forgot the other thiungs that make the key for the 135th floor), Bam and the others might pass through to the 135th floor as the story said, but COULD be also a key to OPENING the exit of the tower (the bottom of the tower that I said earlier). Likew I just said, it's all just a Theory- atleast it's creative to think about it, right?
The absolute only flaw I see with this is that it suggests that Headon could be the god who sent Enryu instead of Pentaminum. But whoever did clearly wanted to kill the administrator but as the caretaker of the tower I think he would not like that. This is still assuming that Headon is in fact the god referred to that Enryu serves. Nothing is concrete but hard to argue with. I still hope to see more of Headon though. I really like his staff.
@@Some.username.idk.0 i think enryu serve another god who likes making stories out of people like a manga author. For me, pentaminum is like a wild god who doesnt have self control (like a monster).
@@Some.username.idk.0 Joe made a video about Pentaminum and is fuessing he is an Axis, like a god in S.I.U. universe. It sounds pretty reasonable so why not?
I think Phantaminum created Rachel to give Baam a motivation to climb the Tower and fulfill his destiny to kill Zahard after he learned that Zahard found a way to change his predestined fate. Baam’s obsession with Rachel was clearly planned by Phantaminum to mirror Zahard’s obsession with Arlene Grace as a means to ensure the story that the Axis wrote would get back on track.
Thing is Phantaminum is not the only axis involved in the tower so either they all agree with this destiny or the destiny could be uncertain with several axis writing their own story.
This axises are making all so complicated. We don't know if they are allies or they hate each other, phantaminum seems more a murderous god that likes to "play" with his power than a strategist that plan to change fate and help someone. He pratically killed so many rankers and high rankers and terrorize some of them using a weapon that none of the residents of the tower ever seen and i think even powers ever seen in the tower (this could mean that phantaminum power is not related to shinsu maybe because it isn't his own domain?), yuri describes him as a "dirty one". The outside god ehm we don't know nothing (it's possible that he could be oedipus or how it is written that axis) he could possibly be the "real" axis of tog. He resureccted bam and he probably gave some of his power to bam and enryu we know that enryu have a really powerful shinsu control that even surpass those of a guardian (and it is said that guardians are shinsu itself) and killed one. He can CREATE life trough shinsu something that no one ever did (macseth create life yes but not trough shinsu) something godlike. Maybe that is why bam can control the thorn (i don't think every irregular can control it) because they have some kind of connection with the power they recieved from the outside god?
Rachel was not tasked to take care of bam. She found him by accident because he was trying to break out of where ever he was. She could leave that place and go to where she's originally from but bam couldn't. She used the words chosen live up there when telling bam he couldn't go up to the light with her. My theory is bam existed outside the tower and Rachel found the hole he dug and from there she ended up entering the tower so sort of from outside the tower. But Rachel wasn't from outside the tower herself otherwise she wouldn't need to reach the top to see the real stars. I believe bam was barley outside the tower by being underneath it in some huge vast outside cavern where the tower was built. Rachel was probably in some remote part of the outer tower probably where Arlene was last and managed to send bam outside. Nothing says Arlene actually left. It is only said she found a way outside and gave her dead son to the god on the outside. Arlene herself probably never left
I mean the first time we see Rachel she has a apron on and is taking care of bam. It was probably her mission to watch over him but things and she wanted to do things on her own
This got me thinking about the book Rachel read. If hypothetically speaking, is it possible that Baam wasn't suppose be with Rachel at the beginning and that Headon was supposed to guide Baam to FUG
that's sure ... i always loved to say that (and have posted that thing years ago dd ) ... there's no way that from top you can get out of the tower ... its a strange... you cannot be taken out from the topside of the building (it doesn't matter what kind of building it is ) ... only from bottom you can exit from the building ... so its obvious that hedon is the axis user who rules from top to the bottom ... when they reach to the bottom ... there will be hedon asking them... what do you wish ? then he will grant that person whatever he wishes ... that's obvious ... even many times we have been hinted ... he knew language of outsiders ... he knew rachel and told to her that she's a filthy girl .... unless hedon was watching over them while they were outside there's no way he would know rachel ... plus even before baam got into the tower hedon was speaking to him ... even before he was inside ... hand appeared in first episode of the anime and took baam inside ... there's no way that there's people outisde and they know about the tower and no one wanted to get in there ? only baam and rachel are chosen ? that's nonsense ... since baam and rachel were taken inside of the tower forcefully ... how the heck rachel would open tower by herself ? since she's so weak .. and also baam ... baam would get smashed by that fish from the first floor if there wasn't yuri ... both were weaklings ... there's no way that they were chosen by anyone but hedon ... its him and always was him ...
What are the chances the book tells Rachel about the future, she knew about Hockney and his painting, Freaking White. FUG is also interested in her, so she definitely has something worth a lot compared to Baam who was the only Irregular since Mazino, allegedly
We don't know if Arlene left the Tower. Only that she sent Baam's body outside probably along with Rachel. I believe that Arlene is still inside and is one of FUG's elders
What if headon helped arlene to leave or some kind of guardian of tower since the gods have taken interest in her situation and wanted to use it to bring ballance to the tower and etc. Rachel is definatly sus since i am pretty sure she manipulated bam and used him to enter the tower.My theory is that she stole the diary and had a fantasy of being a main hero. I think she isnt anything special nor that she has connections. I am pretty sure she was a normal human being that escaped whatever shitty life she had and used bam to get a chance to realize her fantasies.
I haven't watched the video but I think she didn't really leave and that only Headon and the outside god knows an exit. Or maybe Arleen gave Baam to the outside god as an offering in order to escape and Arleen killed V because he didn't want her to offer their son? Edit: That makes so much sense 🤯 Day 44 of asking for a video related to Io, Punk, Varagarv, and the Blood Tamara in the workshop battle and what happened there
I don’t think Rachel is from outside the tower. It doesn’t make sense for her to be. She knows too much about the tower and had met a Jahad prince somehow that wasn’t Wagnan or Karaka. I think Rachel is from the OUTER tower. And I think that Bam’s cave might be some sort of strange area space that “technically” sits outside the tower despite not actually being “outside” in the sense that we can see sky and starts. That would explain both why Rachel always entered the cave and why Bam wasn’t allowed to leave. Bam needed to be outside the tower to become an irregular. So wherever Rachel went through was basically a portal or something to some sort of subspace that exists outside the tower on a technical sense but not entirely a physical sense. She continually entered the cave to try to open the door. Or to go through with Bam like she did. In this case she might have been a servant tasked with watching over Bam for Arlene. Remember that in the outer tower there are places so far away that they aren’t aware or influenced by Jahad and don’t know of the existence of the inner and middle towers. Rachel and her family could have been one of these people that Arlene met on her journey to find a way out. It’s possible that even “was” the way out. Maybe she killed herself in the cave even.
Headon at least knows how she left if he didnt help arlene himself. Maybe arlene went beyond the „last“ floor which jahad closed because im sure it would take some time to create the 13 months to seal the door in which arlene maybe slipped by?? Regarding Rachel I dont think she personally knows arlene. From what I understood there‘s no shinsu outside the tower, the great warriors brought weapons never seen before into the tower (because no shinsu in the air outside the tower that restrict the use of swords for example) and rachel, despite very knowledgeable seemed unfamiliar with it. Now arlene along with the 10 great family heads was granted immortality so I suppose its possible to circumvent the lack of shinsu to stop aging but the floor administrators arent omnipotent either as seen when enryu killed one. Wouldnt it be logical that their power require shinsu too and not work outside the tower? (Unless its a very powerful „spell“ then everything I typed was for nothing). In my head arlene founded a village/city/country or was some sort of saint due to her abilities (spells) long ago and rachel read that book in some sort of temple to remember arlene. Let me know what you think if anybody made it to the end of this essay 🤷♂️
Joe you should do a what if video about what would happen if Jahad didn't go after V and Arlene which would make great 11 families because they are married with Bam as there 1st born.
Idk but im curious about something how arlene write about the outside god and bam s prophecy when she was outside and the pocket is still inside the tower
Headon did in fact know Baam and that he would return. SIU originally had the part where Baam enters the Tower differently and eventually changed that part for revealing too much information. Originally when Baam enters, Headon said "Welcome 25th Baam- the boy who was born the day the Tower cried." Headon knows EVERYTHING.
Headon is one mysterious bloke. Who knows, maybe hes an axis
wow this is amazing ... did he say it in a blog post ?
In a parallel universe, Headomort: "the boy who lived, has come to climb... LETHAL MOVE, AAAVAAAADA KADAVRAAAAA 🪄"
@@ukai9455 I think axis powers hit bam and it transforms him into one
source?
A way outside the tower has been a mystery for a long time, can't wait for SIU to shine more light over this topic, who is the outside god?, Ghost's true identity, and more.
I think jahad locked anyone from
Going beyond him is that there something above those floors that not even the ten great families and himself could defeat. I think even though jahad was foretold he would be king but also be killed. Jahad took steps to stop bam who basically the true god of the tower from being born. Kind of like a person to lead his people out the tower. Arlene body might have been taken outside the tower by enryu who was the messenger of the gods and also brought bam back since they said his shin suit could bring back life, the thorns was left by enryu because he knew bam would be in danger and Fug has been waiting for Bam the true god of the tower
@@johnhowell1626 interesting theory i love it!
Well if you read the wiki which has some information about SIU's old works(which I presume have now been deleted) there were numerous pictures of a tower and Axis' talking to each other. I read in one of the dialogs that there actually exists and entity called 'GOD' who gives the Axis their godlike powers. And in there was the mention of someone called Duke who proposed to the Axis that he will create a GOD since the current GOD isn't listening to them. Now the entire tower may very well be a training facility which is used to choose a candidate to become GOD and since Jahad having blocked the floors and thereby stopping the purpose of the tower is a hindrance , the outside GOD may very well be an Axis who is taking part in the plan or maybe Duke himself....this is all assumption since SIU can change the story line as he wishes
In the other manhwas there is outside god, there is gods. Basically outside of tower is a whole different place with many gods + people.
many people theorize that ghost is the ghost or final remnant of V that died and since he coule use shinwonryuu or shinsu black hole that only irregular could do its possible i guess
the only reason I have against Rachel being Arlene's maid is she called Arlene "Arlene". She didn't called her "Ms Arlene" or "Lady Arlene". In Korea, you don't refer to people of higher status with their first name, it's use when people are friends or of the same status
I wonder if it's correctly translated
The book could have been Arlene's journal! Maybe Rachel stole it?? Maybe. She always wanted to be the "main character" so maybe she imagined herself in the journal in Bam's place. I think the book theory makes sense.
(I still can't believe I'm even named Rachel like Rachel irl... ugh! Thank god the name Bruna is embedded in everyone's head here! Cause... omg!)
Anywho, I loved your video, Joe! I love the editing you do to make it funny on some parts. Lol! You did a really great job! Keep it up, man! ^^ ♡
Why is it bad to be named Rachel? She’s one of the best characters in TOG
@@Zarrakon hm. guess it ain't too bad... at least SIU would be happy! 🤣🌸
@@Zarrakon huh? How?
@@avaneeshjadhav255 She’s more fleshed out, she has negative character traits, she was the one chosen by the tower and bam took it from her, she doesn’t get random main character powerups every arc, etc.
She has a beautiful character of being the main character who had the role stolen from her by bam.
@@Zarrakon Bam never took anything from her. Bam was the one chosen by the tower not Rachel(Headon said so), she just slipped through.
Headon definitely plays a big role in this entire story
I always thought Arlene made a deal with Headon. Something like “in exchange for V, you will tell me how to leave this dreadful tower.”Idk just a theory but Headon is the main antagonist of this story no doubt. Like how come his floor has murals, which apparently foreshadows the entire story? Did he carved them? is he an axis and the tower is his field? Or can he see fate?
What are murals?
@@regnrok3978 artwork on a wall or ceiling
@@Gabriel-mm4ch ok
if his an Axis then he already make fate not just see it like Jahad
In my mind there is two possibility : First one because she is ARLENE she used some kind of ancient magic/power probably with the help of one of the administraitor to go out.
Or because even Gustang had never find how to go out, it's maybe only because it has to be someone outside the tower who take you outside the Tower, maybe the Enryu's King or an other Axe user. You have to be chosen to come in the Tower, you have to be chosen to get out of the Tower. Nice video !
I believe the outside god purposely let her out of the Tower. My reason for thinking so is that based on all the setup we have seen so far the god of the outside seems to be the being which is the master of the tower or something like that. As Headon says to everyone that whatever one desires can be found by climbing the tower.....it seems that the existence of the tower is solely for the people to climb it.....which is now obstructed by Jahad. Hence, it would make sense that the god is trying the free the deadlock of the tower by using baam or something otherwise it makes no logical sense for a god to help a crazy woman write a prophecy with her dead child.
@@predator5848 I'm completely agree, and that explain why The god of the outside has ressurected bam
Or maybe she can escape from tower with the help she receive from Headon?
If all of the irregulars can enter the tower on their own will, can they do the opposite? What I mean is can they just exit the tower from the door they all went in?
My theory is that the tower is actually upside down, which is why the shinsu density increases with each level of the floor, and so if that is the case the only feasible way to leave the tower would be from the first floor. I also feel like not many people would think of that within the tower.
What if Headon is connected to Gustang? It was implied that he's talking to him at the end of the workshop. If that is so, then maybe Gustang already knew how to leave the tower and the truth about V and Bam. But anyway, this is why I'm subscribed to you Joe, your theories are always S Tier! Thank you!!
Do you mean Gustang was talking to Headon at the end of Floor of Death arc? Cause I’m pretty sure Gustang was talking to Macseth at the end Workshop battle. Just my theory though
@@Aki-dx9bg It make no sense for gustang to talk with macseth in that occasion . Since he literally called rachel a pawn of that person , its most likely headon
@@Aki-dx9bg it's just a theory. I just thought about that because Gustang mentioned about " your pawn" which is Rachel...
@@KyRiAkOsTheGreaT2 I think Gustang was talking to the person who he was speaking to during the workshop battle arc and it seems like that person is very much connected to the workshop as Gustang became the supervisor in his place probably
@@KyRiAkOsTheGreaT2 That’s….literally what I said lol. Gustang was most likely taking to Headon at the end of Floor of Death since they were discussing about a certain “pawn” that probably refers to Rachel. Before, I was referring to Gustang most likely talking to Macseth at the end of Workshop Battle
Farfetch theories:
1. An irregular like enryu and phantaminum could have taken Arlene with them.
2. There was a book passed down through the outside of the tower to leave the tower.
3. The workshop may actually know and be hiding it. Maybe the founder of the workshop is someone else who does not know gustang.
4. If Rachel's family were taking care of Arlene, then she may have high status. Arlene may have been some sort of "royal". Why were only a few people sent in the tower. It may have come down to status.
5. Bam may have been baby-sitted by Rachel and she seems to be very manipulative. Your point about the book leads off of point#2. This book may have been passed down through Arlenes "royal" family or even Arlene. Headon may have not given his name to anyone.
Note: these theories are probably really stupid but you never know.
Edit: Irregulars are unpredictable. Maybe Headon could not tell that Jahad would be a symbol of terror for many. So out of "fear" he helps Arlene to take Jahad down. Headon may have been created by an axis.
I’ve been saying that for the longest time. Bam slept for thousands of years outside the tower and Rachel was right there in the perfect spot and at the perfect time to find him. She already knew about the tower, she is the one that brought bam inside the tower and she is the one that got bam to wanting to climb the tower. How can all this be a coincidence
Theory: Because of so many Baam Jesus parallels, I think irregulars are like celestial beings, and the tower is the "mortal realm". I think "leaving the tower" is akin to leaving the Karmic cycle/mortal realm. I think Jahad is a Luciferian figure (hello, horns!) Think "I'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven." The original irregular troupe are "fallen angels" and Jahad wants to plug up the afterlife/ "moving on" cycle in order to maintain power. Once he leaves the tower, he's not the most important or powerful. Baam is sent to right this wrong and get the whole cycle back on track.
Hi Joe ! I have a video suggestion for you. I read ToG twice now, but the chronology of the Tower as a whole still escapes me. How was the Tower before Jahad and his companions came (like the system of regular and ranker, the hierarchy), the war, Genesis, Enryu coming in the Tower... Basically all important event explained in order and how much time between them. I hope you make it one day ! (I'm gonna post this exact same message two or three times on your next videos so I'm sure you would have a good chance to read it once)
ask him a few more times. I also wanna see this?
Good stuff! I really like this theory. I honestly forgot about headon being mentioned on the outside in a book.
I think IF Rachel never met Arlene, but only read the book, AND if time flows the same on the inside as it does on the outside, then from the time Arlene left to the time Rachel was alive would've been thousands of years, so Arlene's story could've been handed down by word of mouth and written accounts, so it then takes the rout of LOTR's "history became legend, and legend became myth."
Another thing to think about is, if Rachel knew all about this tower beforehand, is it possible that many others around Rachel also tried to find the door, or to enter the tower, but were unable? Too much we don't know bro.
And I know there's no proof, but my theory is that Arlene found out how to use or made the spell Astral projection. in almost the same way that the dnd 9th level spell is used. you leave your body and can travel to different planes.
Basically, plane shifting to outside the tower.
Now, Arlene made her promise and prophesy BEFORE she left. meaning she somehow communicated with the outside god or knew it made deals and was sure it'd make a deal with her to raise bam from the dead and get her revenge.
Another thing is her pocket being left behind. If she left physically, shouldn't she have taken that with her? Why leave your diary behind? Unless it was her and Bam's souls that left. And what Enne found was not just Arlene's pocket, but the soulless bodies of baby Bam and Arlene. Then after reading her diary, Enne would see how Arlene was supposed to have escaped the tower, and bam was supposed to be the chosen one. But with both of their corpses were right in front of her and all hope of beating Jahad would seem pointless, the prophesy in her eyes, had failed.
Lol. But my theory is mega reaching and the majority of it is head cannon, and compounded speculation. It's just my mental gymnastics at trying to make sense of this mystery.
one thing id like to point out is that during the rachel flashback during season one, I feel like it was insinuated that headon knew that baam was coming? like he says something about the doors not being for rachel or smth which happens before baam comes up
I found it headon says "its not you. the person the tower chose...its not you."
so I think he did know baam
PLUS BONUS: while I was rereading that area to get the chapter, after rachel sees baam pass the test headon says this about baam "he was quite brave and special...running toward that monster like a hero out of a fairy tale" AND THIS SEEMS SO INTENTIONAL
yes this is my rant :D
Headon plays a major role in the story that has not been explored yet he is the only floor guardian that still gives test while rankers give the ones on the other floors
@@bradleymccullough1420 headon is just theory-galore atp hjefgfdbjkf
hey! I like your theory, but it's missing a part that just occurred to me... maybe the way to get out of the tower, which uses headon, is on the floor that jahad banned. that would make jahad the king of all and that no one could escape. clearly only jahad knows that and that's why he closed the floor and settled there, lying to the other heads of families to prevent people from having the option to leave and in his hunger for power, rule everyone forever... it is not logical for someone who always wants more power, stop conquering new territories, unless that entails the risk of giving people the option of escaping
I like this
It's actually makes sense, maybe Headon could just teleport there without needing to use a key or anything to teach that floor
I think headon is an axis and that's why he can teleport to any floor and is so powerful I also think that he is the one that wrote jahad and company's story
Rachel was never a person I considered would have anything to do with this, but now I think that her having something to do with all this is very plausible. Well reasoned, Joe! Nice work!
Day 12 of asking for a theory video on the murals in tog
I think Rachel knows Arlene personally, the way she brings up her name shows some familiarity. Especially the one time she was sad and she mentioned Arlene, that indicated a strong familiarity not to mention she said Arlene called Baam a monster. Even if that was a lie I do think Arlene talked to her about Baam
The theory makes so much sense but rachel being a maid is just so funny for some reason 😭
The amount of things and people Hansung knows still blows my mind.
I think that Headon knows the way out of the tower and he showed her the way out so that she could offer Bam to the Outside God and give him some entertainment in the future, because Headon has been shown to enjoy the suffering of those he sees has beneath him, like he did with Rachel. But Headon definitely knows a way out of HIS tower because as the caretaker of the tower and an administrator he is likely the most powerful being in the tower. And in the tower, it's survival of the finest.
My question about outside the tower is, is there shinsu out there? And if not, how would these ancient, immortal beings who’ve depended on shinsu to be powerful react to stepping outside the tower? Would the be normal all of the sudden?
There is no shinsu outside the tower the ten families came with there own weapons from outside that had to be modified by the workshop to work with shinsu see arie hon also there is a workshop outside the tower as well
I wonder if the floor of death has some kind of connection to being able to leave the tower
I think it's either Gustang, Headon or Macseth and the Outside god who helped Arlene or maybe it's even the four of them actually.
Somewhat off-topic, but in this video there is an idea I would like to challenge. That is the idea that Enryu cares about Arlene at all. The only reason anyone would think that is because of the line "as if unable to forgive the land being defiled like that, he appeared" but that's just Garam talking right? It's her Interpretation of that event, as a person who wasn't present and doesn't know Enryu.
While impressive, what Enryu did doesn't seem to have had much impact on Jahad's rule. Enryu has done remarkably little to damage Jahad for someone supposedly anti-Jahad and capable of wiping the floor with administrators.
So I think Enryu just carried out orders given to him by the outside god and has little personal stake in the matter.
i agree but i also kinda disagree- we can insinuate garam knows more about arlene's story from what she says after baam leaves (how he's not ready for the full story or smth), so I think we can give way more credit to her around that part of the story. idk it could go both ways for me so i don't really wanna cancel it out
Headon seems to be the mastermind behind everything
Gustang is working with Headon too. Just before the virtual floor arc begins we get a panel of Gustang talking to someone (anonymous) on a pocket, and he says something like 'ive given your pawn a very useful item" referring to the treasure eating stingray. Literally who else would Rachel be a "pawn" to? After headon said he'd make her the heroine of this story
Couldn't you argue that Phantaminum is able to enter and exit the tower at will and thus be able to do the same to someone. Why couldn't he have gotten involved earlier behind the scenes. His attack on Jahad's palace is just is first very noticeable action to the wider public of the tower.
phanta is axis ; enryu isn't axis to enter in the tower without by help of another axis ; urek entered in the tower but he couldn't leave the tower ;
and no one entered in the tower without permission of hedon except phanta axis ; and enryu because of another axis ;
There are so many unanswered questions. It's gonna take decades to finish this story and answer all those questions😅
I'm most curious about why jahad stopped on the 134th floor.
i feel like the 134th floor doesn't have something unique
@@wicowan there's def something there. Jahad didn't stop for nothing
@@taz4895 i feel like siu just chose randomly a number higher than 100. But maybe there is something on the floor itself, a test so hard Jahad was ashamed he couldn't do it and just closed it for everyone ?
@@wicowan Yea i know 134 is just a random number. I'm just saying that the reason y he stopped is soo mysterious
So can someone explain something here, RACHEL TALKS AS IF SHE HAS NEVER SEEN THE OUTSIDE... HER DREAM IS TO SEE THE REAL STARS. Isn’t the only place Rachel seen, the cave where baam was. If she lived on the outside she would have definitely seen stars and a pretty view right?
Please, make a "Questions and answers" videos, it will be awesome, and I will love it
I have this one idea that i've held with myself for quite some time: When Jahad killed Bam, V and Arlene knew that Jahad could potentially come to kill them too, so they wanted to escape but they didn't know how to leave the tower. Headon appears! (or they(or only V) go to Headon) and Headon offers V a contract (because he doesn't have a contract, unlike the other family heads). The contract dictates that V becomes Headon's puppet and gives his own life and free will away to Headon for exchange of letting Arlene escape Jahad and leave the tower. V sacrifices himself for Arlene, accepts the contract and he becomes Ghost, that's how Ghost is able to use shinsu black hole sphere, which only irregulars can use.
Also, if i remember correctly Garam said something like "I couldn't tell him that part of the story after all" so maybe "that part of the story" is that V didn't just kill himself out of nowhere but instead sacrificed himself for Arlene.
In my head this makes so much sense.
only issue is that ghost seems to be only as powerful as a very strong regular. no hints that he's secretly as powerful as a FH lol. i guess we can't know for sure. honestly i think his design is too weird to be V also
Headon probably doesn't like Zahard being the king (that's why he supports FUG)because he knows Bam is the true god of the tower, he probably knows all the Exis users, Headon is probably on the first in the tower after someone or might be "The God Of The Outside World" made the tower
Heidan is the caretaker of the 'entire' tower, maybe he doesn't like what Jahad and the ten family heads have made of the tower, but since he is bound by the contract to accept Jahad as the king of the tower he can't go against him directly, that doesn't mean he can't help anti-jahad people right.
Maybe heidan was one of the guardians who didn't want to accept the contracts proposed be jahad and the family heads but since majority of the guardians accepted, he had to give in.
Bam and fug might be a way for him to restore the tower to its original glory and way before any irregulars entered it. 😱
About Enryu i can see he just casually going to the first floor, ask headon to open the door and leave that way
Joe: mentions rachel
everyone: you dare mention her name? so, you have chosen death.
Late to the party here, but I am sorry if this sort of thing has been said, but my theory is that Arlene had knowledge to the outside god before entering the tower. The reason I think that is the rules of spells outlined in Season 2 chapter 242:
1. The caster must not violate the rules of the spell once they are set.
2. The caster must receive help from a powerful medium or divine being.
3. The rank of a spell is determined by the power of the being or medium who helped with the spell.
She is mentioned as being a powerful spell user and spells receive help from mediums or divine beings. The outside god sounds like a good divine being for helping with spells, and a powerful one that would allow very high rank spells to be used.
If she knew about the outside god before entering the tower, the outside god could have been the help with the spells, and possibly the one that helped with the escape. It could have been a spell she developed after lots of research. This, of course, is speculation as I do not think we have seen spell R&D taking place. I can see her not having a spell for leaving the tower when she entered the tower because the tower is a unique place with its own rules and having a spell to circumvent them without fully knowing them seems very challenging.
I feel it is possible that she managed to develop such a spell after enough time and effort, figuring out the rules necessary for such a spell to work.
I think the biggest Point for headon helping is, If He owns the Tower and the Tower i guess has purpose. So i think He is the Most pissed of that the Tower cant fullfill his purpose under jahad, becauce Nobody can reach the top.
I think that Arlene maybe explained it to Rachel and maybe Rachel was a little girl so Arlene told her like “there is a fairy” etc and showed her the book she wrote because clearly headon isn’t a fairy 😂
Maybe she's the one that created the tower and knew the loop hole to get out
Obviously headon knows how to leave the tower because what will happen to irregulars when they fail his test ? HE WILL SEND THEM BACK OUTSIDE THE TOWER
I assume she was the only person to actually ask nicely
I am late to the party but I do think Headon did know who was Baam but acted like he didn't. I believe this mainly because of two things: 1. When Rachel entered the tower, Headon said it's not you (He was waiting for someone but what he pulled into the tower was not the correct person) When Baam reaches he says "The Guest has arrived" not "A" - meaning the person who he was waiting on.. 2. I guess after what Baam tells Headon that he'd go up the tower for rachel is when he thought of the plan to let Rachel climb with Ghost as a motivation for Baam.
Sometimes I wonder why rachel makes bam follow him by purpose ? Not killing him and taunting him with arlene. Maybe she was told by someone or arlene that she’d be the main character
The higher you climbed the tower the longer you live so Rachel might be a descendant of people who knew him. Since baam mother can remove curses must have been worship
I'm pretty sure at some point I read Urek had said that he tried to get Gustang to tell him how to leave a because there were rummors he knew how to get out, maybe he is the one who helped her get out, my memory is a bit fuzzy on it but I think he had a crush on her or just got along very well so it's a possibility that he helped her.
if gustang knows how to get out becuase of the guy who can let you out ; is hedon ; and mecseth also knows how to get out because of hedon ; and hedon and mecseth know each other very well as they live in the tower yeons ; and workshop is made up by another axis user ; and it exists outside also ; mecseth and workshop thing is truely can be made up be oedipus (axis) as he loves to create artificial beings ; workshop and everyone in the tower have their own job; they are delighted to do what they are doing ; only people are fighting with each other for some kind of reason ; yet whosoever been trapped in the tower because of hedon let them in ; i dont think hedon will let anyone outside if he wont get return anything from them ; and arlene went out of the tower because of hedon ; and he can teleport and open the tower and took even people by force in and out ; and when you climb to the top you cant get out of the tower; because top of the building there's no exit ;
Could Headon be the one who gave the immortality contracts to the family heads and the king's contract to Jahad?
Those contracts never made sense to me until now. How would the administrator of a floor in the middle of the tower be able to grant such powerful contracts, particularly the king's contract? It seems like administrators might be getting stronger the higher up the tower you go so if you made a contract like that on floor 120, why couldn't an administrator from floor 121+ not negate it or give someone else the power to negate it? It wouldn't make sense that Jahad was unkillable on all floors of the tower in that case, just from the floor the contract was made down would make a lot more sense. But if it's Headon and he's secretly the true ruler of the tower, that makes a lot more sense.
I mean Headon is the big boss of all the admins and have influence in all floors so yeah Jahad and the 10 most likely get their advantages cuz of him.
Maybe your theory explains more why he stopped at 134th floor. Maybe the administrator warned Jahad to not step on his floor or he will die. the other admins below maybe didnt give a fuck about if you're immortal.
Headon might have asked for Bam’s name not because he didn’t know he was Arlene’s son, but because Bam was named outside the tower and so Headon would have no way of knowing what his name was
headon knew the name of baam ; he even told when first he met with baam ; welcome 25th baam ; who was born when tower cried ;
and hedon is axis himself if you dont know ;
wowow love this theory discussion joe thanks!
SIU should probably make Rachel sleep and then proceed to show her past in her dreams. She is more mysterious than most of the family heads
Have you considered another option, that Arlene didn't leave the tower. All we have to go on is Garam relaying information from the diary from Arlene from before she left.
Maybe Enryu himself is the Thorn, he sealed his soul and stuff in the Thorn fragments for Bam to find
I think it's safe to say after a year this been posted that maybe it's the forbidden book that khun and gustang talked about. The book of the true history of the tower
Urek said Gustang knows how to leave
Theory=
Jahad reached the highest floor which is an exit to the tower. He let Arlene leave before keeping it all the way locked. He doesn't let any one go to the "higher floors" as a deal with the administrators. Jahad becomes an immortal king to always protect the exit for the administrators. If people left the tower it would drain the administrators life which would eventually kill them. People would leave the tower because they would be so strong, confident, and pretty much immortal outside. More people would climb harder and die. As the administrators become weaker it would be easier to climb. The tower revolts, leaves, or die and so do the administrators???
Also rachel knows what the top of the tower looks like. Which she would have learned from Arlene
I remember when data jahad was talking about outside, urek from the outside, traumerai mentioned outside the tower,
The real question is , where the fuck is Arlene , i refuse to believe she abandoned her son and shes dead or just ran away.
I also think Headon could have helped Arlene in some way. Headon hates Jahad , Headon has an eye on Baam with Ghost. Headon is definitely related to FUG in someway. Headon knew about Baam will come up 1 day. The only thing Headon didnt see coming was Enryuu being the help and killed 1 of his brother admin. This is why Headon is following baam because he was given the thorns by Enryuu somehow and by keeping an eye on baam , Headon will find Enryuu 1 day somewhere in the tower or he will appear somewhere. I would expect the admins to be really on edge if Enryuu were to appear. A mass teleportation of admin would probably occur.
As for Rachel where was she before meeting Baam? She was clearly not from the tower , she never saw the sky so i believe she never lived outside the tower.
I feel like she was stuck in some house or something being a maid to someone like Arlene who was crazy or something.
Rachel is the key for alot of thing even tho everyone hates her which is justicifed. lol
i agree that it was Headon that let Arlene leave the tower. he is actively working with FUG to destroy the Zahard empire. he's probably unhappy with how Zahard has changed, both himself and the tower, and wants to restore some kind of balance with Baam and FUG. anyways, when Rachel meets him, she says that Headon must be the fairy from the "legend." using that word implies a story that has been passed down for hundreds, if not thousands of years. and we do know that inside the tower, it has been thousands of years that Zahard and the 10 families have ruled the tower. and since most people in the tower don't even know of Arlene and V's existence, she likely left the tower with Baam's body thousands of years ago. Shinsoo can stop aging inside the tower, but outside I would think that's not the case. so i think we can safely assume that Arlene has been dead for a long time. so if she met the outside God (Headon maybe being the one who brought her to him?) and asked for Baam to be reborn to take revenge on Zahard, it must have come with some sort of time restriction or other conditions (like burying his body beneath the tower). Arlene probably wrote a book detailing her journey in the tower, including Headon being the "fairy" that guided them up, as well as what happened with Zahard and V and that her child would one day be reborn and take revenge on Zahard on her behalf. Rachel was probably a servant or someone of low-class on the outside but found the book and learned about the tower. she must've also found the place where Baam was buried. the way she came and went from the cave, it seems to imply that she had to sneak around to do it. she learned from the book that if you reached the top of the tower, you'd be able to see the stars and make your dreams come true basically. this aligns with her behavior in the tower, which has indicated she's unhappy with her appearance and her life and wishes to change. she may have even found the entrance to the tower, but was unable to open the door because she's unworthy; which is why she used Baam to open the door in the first chapter and was so upset when Headon said she still wasn't permitted to climb basically. the only thing that doesn't really line up with this is the panel where she says she doesn't care what Baam is to Arlene and that she thinks she's the "chosen one" or whatever from Arlene's legend. i don't see how she could think it would be her after finding where Baam was buried and obviously manipulating him to become attached to her so he would open the door for her. her thinking doesn't make sense unless she's just delusional, which seems too unlikely to me. it must have something to do with what Garam didn't tell Baam about Arlene, Zahard, and V. like that maybe Zahard is Baam's father and not V. i guess another possibility is Zahard was someone important on the outside and Rachel is his descendant, which would explain why there were Zahard's symbols outside the tower. but basically there has to be some additional connection between either Zahard or Arlene and Rachel for her thinking to make sense and i just can't quite figure it out yet. i'm guessing it won't be revealed until the very end of the story.
mmmm a litle weird theory, the premise as you know asks a lot. but I do like it
first floor admin let her out Headon. Prob made some kind of deal.
I did litteraly create the exact same theory but adding the part where the book could be arlene's journal (i also thought headon would he the way out for arlene)
Something that I just thought, Arlene probably had to pay a price to resurrect Baam, was it her own life? or maybe something even worse than that?
What if the Outside God is Lord Rosemadder, from SIU's early comic Tailse Uzer Story?
My reasons to think this are: The Outside God is named as such by Arlene, who may aknowledged it as above the Administrator's level. Not only that but, the Outside God may be a Axis User just like Phantaminum (and maybe whoever controlls the Tower), meaning that the Thorn it gave to Enryu, so he can deliver it to Bam, may be a domain where it has control or even a way of expanding it's domain inside the Tower. That would even corroborate with the theory that Shinsu is a Axis' domain, meaning that the Thorn is just a way to penetrate this Axis' Domain and corrupt it from the inside-out, gaining power over the Tower of God's story.
Oh and the final thoughts: Lord Rosemadder is a extremelly powerful Axis User in the story, his name has Rose, so he may be related to the color Red and even use Thorns to fight? Like, just as roses have Thorns to protect them, he may use Thorns to define his own Axis Domain???
Outside God is more likely to be Oedipus the king of artificial creation who made Enryu who creates life with shinsu and resurrected Bam but maybe i'm wrong who know
@@karaka2253 I was just going to add some of my reasons for that, but thanks to give this hipothesis too.
@@karaka2253 Just updated the comment dude, please read it and tell me what you think.
Interesting
What if the tower was built by headon or the god of the outside. Another theory is the tower was created for a purpose. I have read a lot of novel and manhua that as a tower wand in each novel or manhua the tower had a purpose either to select candidates for something or the tower is used to trap something
I have come to the conclusion that Arlene is the Aphrodite of the tower.
What's Aphrodite?
Enryu wrote the book for Arlene but V took her before him so he throw away the book and somehow Rachel found it. Now she thinks she is the chosen one. Someone give this chick a reality check! Madara you there?!
I'm actually thinkong about this;
What if Arlen escaped at the BOTTOM of the tower? Rather than the top?
Cuz think of it. Every regular, ranker, and irregular always go up the tower like they had no choice, but they didn't notice that going DOWN the tower was an option and an exit route.
Of course there are some downsides to this theory such as those who oppose the theory itself, but it is a theory so don't get riled up.
So what if the exit was down below, how would that connect to bam and rachel's first meeting? ALSO, how was rachel able to find Bam? I know, rachel read a book of something with the prophecy and stuff- BUT, if the book didn't mention Bam's whereabouts, THEN HOW THE FRIDGE DID SHE FIND HIM IN THAT CAVE. Might be also worth mentioning that Bam is from I think the BOTTOM BOTTOM (meaning, lower than the ground floor) of the tower. And in the latest chapter, Chapter 525, Vicente said Bam was "a master key." And what if Vicente meant more than those words?
Bam could possibly be an ultimate key, and if he absorbs all of the 13 month series and the other stuff (I forgot the other thiungs that make the key for the 135th floor), Bam and the others might pass through to the 135th floor as the story said, but COULD be also a key to OPENING the exit of the tower (the bottom of the tower that I said earlier).
Likew I just said, it's all just a Theory- atleast it's creative to think about it, right?
The absolute only flaw I see with this is that it suggests that Headon could be the god who sent Enryu instead of Pentaminum. But whoever did clearly wanted to kill the administrator but as the caretaker of the tower I think he would not like that. This is still assuming that Headon is in fact the god referred to that Enryu serves. Nothing is concrete but hard to argue with. I still hope to see more of Headon though. I really like his staff.
You think Pentaminum sent Enryu?
@@Some.username.idk.0 i think enryu serve another god who likes making stories out of people like a manga author. For me, pentaminum is like a wild god who doesnt have self control (like a monster).
@@Some.username.idk.0 Joe made a video about Pentaminum and is fuessing he is an Axis, like a god in S.I.U. universe. It sounds pretty reasonable so why not?
I think Phantaminum created Rachel to give Baam a motivation to climb the Tower and fulfill his destiny to kill Zahard after he learned that Zahard found a way to change his predestined fate. Baam’s obsession with Rachel was clearly planned by Phantaminum to mirror Zahard’s obsession with Arlene Grace as a means to ensure the story that the Axis wrote would get back on track.
Thing is Phantaminum is not the only axis involved in the tower so either they all agree with this destiny or the destiny could be uncertain with several axis writing their own story.
This axises are making all so complicated.
We don't know if they are allies or they hate each other, phantaminum seems more a murderous god that likes to "play" with his power than a strategist that plan to change fate and help someone.
He pratically killed so many rankers and high rankers and terrorize some of them using a weapon that none of the residents of the tower ever seen and i think even powers ever seen in the tower (this could mean that phantaminum power is not related to shinsu maybe because it isn't his own domain?), yuri describes him as a "dirty one".
The outside god ehm we don't know nothing (it's possible that he could be oedipus or how it is written that axis) he could possibly be the "real" axis of tog.
He resureccted bam and he probably gave some of his power to bam and enryu we know that enryu have a really powerful shinsu control that even surpass those of a guardian (and it is said that guardians are shinsu itself) and killed one.
He can CREATE life trough shinsu something that no one ever did (macseth create life yes but not trough shinsu) something godlike.
Maybe that is why bam can control the thorn (i don't think every irregular can control it) because they have some kind of connection with the power they recieved from the outside god?
Rachel was not tasked to take care of bam. She found him by accident because he was trying to break out of where ever he was. She could leave that place and go to where she's originally from but bam couldn't. She used the words chosen live up there when telling bam he couldn't go up to the light with her. My theory is bam existed outside the tower and Rachel found the hole he dug and from there she ended up entering the tower so sort of from outside the tower. But Rachel wasn't from outside the tower herself otherwise she wouldn't need to reach the top to see the real stars. I believe bam was barley outside the tower by being underneath it in some huge vast outside cavern where the tower was built. Rachel was probably in some remote part of the outer tower probably where Arlene was last and managed to send bam outside. Nothing says Arlene actually left. It is only said she found a way outside and gave her dead son to the god on the outside. Arlene herself probably never left
This reminds me that Enryu is apparently still in the tower, right? That could lead to some cool stuff
I miss your theory's vids please do more of them
I mean the first time we see Rachel she has a apron on and is taking care of bam. It was probably her mission to watch over him but things and she wanted to do things on her own
This got me thinking about the book Rachel read. If hypothetically speaking, is it possible that Baam wasn't suppose be with Rachel at the beginning and that Headon was supposed to guide Baam to FUG
What if Arlene left by going back to the first foor and taking a new test from Hedon
Sorry for asking this again but are you gonna keep reading God of high school cuz the new chapters came out.
So Arlene came to bargain with Headon.
my question is regarding who was the creator of tower in flashback story who wanted to reach stars
I have a theory that arlen left a teleport spell outside the tower and used it
Ok so... If baam is the only child of arlen and V, does that mean he is the age of the first generation children of the 10 families?
If the workshop originated outside the tower than macseth than he has to be the actual first irregular right? There’s no other way
Mazino clicked on this video so quickly
What if its just a matter of walking back down to the entrance? You always exit a tower at the bottom right?
that's sure ... i always loved to say that (and have posted that thing years ago dd ) ... there's no way that from top you can get out of the tower ... its a strange... you cannot be taken out from the topside of the building (it doesn't matter what kind of building it is ) ... only from bottom you can exit from the building ... so its obvious that hedon is the axis user who rules from top to the bottom ... when they reach to the bottom ... there will be hedon asking them... what do you wish ? then he will grant that person whatever he wishes ... that's obvious ... even many times we have been hinted ... he knew language of outsiders ... he knew rachel and told to her that she's a filthy girl .... unless hedon was watching over them while they were outside there's no way he would know rachel ... plus even before baam got into the tower hedon was speaking to him ... even before he was inside ... hand appeared in first episode of the anime and took baam inside ... there's no way that there's people outisde and they know about the tower and no one wanted to get in there ? only baam and rachel are chosen ? that's nonsense ... since baam and rachel were taken inside of the tower forcefully ... how the heck rachel would open tower by herself ? since she's so weak .. and also baam ... baam would get smashed by that fish from the first floor if there wasn't yuri ... both were weaklings ... there's no way that they were chosen by anyone but hedon ... its him and always was him ...
What are the chances the book tells Rachel about the future, she knew about Hockney and his painting, Freaking White. FUG is also interested in her, so she definitely has something worth a lot compared to Baam who was the only Irregular since Mazino, allegedly
We don't know if Arlene left the Tower. Only that she sent Baam's body outside probably along with Rachel. I believe that Arlene is still inside and is one of FUG's elders
What if headon helped arlene to leave or some kind of guardian of tower since the gods have taken interest in her situation and wanted to use it to bring ballance to the tower and etc.
Rachel is definatly sus since i am pretty sure she manipulated bam and used him to enter the tower.My theory is that she stole the diary and had a fantasy of being a main hero.
I think she isnt anything special nor that she has connections. I am pretty sure she was a normal human being that escaped whatever shitty life she had and used bam to get a chance to realize her fantasies.
The theory that Eurasia Enne was inside the seal bam was breaking really got me hyped. But she isnt
So no more theories for me
Real question for me is that Urek and Phantaminum know each other
I haven't watched the video but I think she didn't really leave and that only Headon and the outside god knows an exit. Or maybe Arleen gave Baam to the outside god as an offering in order to escape and Arleen killed V because he didn't want her to offer their son?
Edit: That makes so much sense 🤯
Day 44 of asking for a video related to Io, Punk, Varagarv, and the Blood Tamara in the workshop battle and what happened there
I don’t think Rachel is from outside the tower. It doesn’t make sense for her to be. She knows too much about the tower and had met a Jahad prince somehow that wasn’t Wagnan or Karaka. I think Rachel is from the OUTER tower. And I think that Bam’s cave might be some sort of strange area space that “technically” sits outside the tower despite not actually being “outside” in the sense that we can see sky and starts. That would explain both why Rachel always entered the cave and why Bam wasn’t allowed to leave. Bam needed to be outside the tower to become an irregular. So wherever Rachel went through was basically a portal or something to some sort of subspace that exists outside the tower on a technical sense but not entirely a physical sense. She continually entered the cave to try to open the door. Or to go through with Bam like she did.
In this case she might have been a servant tasked with watching over Bam for Arlene. Remember that in the outer tower there are places so far away that they aren’t aware or influenced by Jahad and don’t know of the existence of the inner and middle towers. Rachel and her family could have been one of these people that Arlene met on her journey to find a way out. It’s possible that even “was” the way out. Maybe she killed herself in the cave even.
There must be a hidden irregular in the tower who Kickstarted the workshop or maybe Micksath is an irregular 🤔
Headon at least knows how she left if he didnt help arlene himself. Maybe arlene went beyond the „last“ floor which jahad closed because im sure it would take some time to create the 13 months to seal the door in which arlene maybe slipped by??
Regarding Rachel I dont think she personally knows arlene. From what I understood there‘s no shinsu outside the tower, the great warriors brought weapons never seen before into the tower (because no shinsu in the air outside the tower that restrict the use of swords for example) and rachel, despite very knowledgeable seemed unfamiliar with it.
Now arlene along with the 10 great family heads was granted immortality so I
suppose its possible to circumvent the lack of shinsu to stop aging but the floor administrators arent omnipotent either as seen when enryu killed one. Wouldnt it be logical that their power require shinsu too and not work outside the tower? (Unless its a very powerful „spell“ then everything I typed was for nothing). In my head arlene founded a village/city/country or was some
sort of saint due to her abilities (spells) long ago and rachel read that book in some sort of temple to remember arlene.
Let me know what you think if anybody made it to the end of this essay 🤷♂️
Here's my question:
What happened to arlene after she leave the tower and offer baam to the outside god to be resurrected?
The exit is the entrance kinda lame thought but also since when has someone who's ever enter the tower thought going backwards
The music in the BG makes it even more mysterious. Can you share the music if possible 😭
Joe you should do a what if video about what would happen if Jahad didn't go after V and Arlene which would make great 11 families because they are married with Bam as there 1st born.
I hundred percent feels it’s po bidau gusting who helped Arlene leave
Do you think headon had a plan for Arlene to leave. He gave Rachel a chance to climb when she didn’t deserve it
Idk but im curious about something how arlene write about the outside god and bam s prophecy when she was outside and the pocket is still inside the tower