"They might have had more impact if more had been produced". So many german vehicles and technologies can be described this way. They were way ahead of us in a lot of ways, but one super advanced (whatever) vs 10 mediocre ones still isn't much of a fight
@@jonhall2274 No, their sources for the rarer metals used in the combustion chambers were over run by the Soviets. The lesser metals just did not last due to the temps. Technology can only do so much
Simon, great video! However, tell the writer(s) to stop using pound-feet as thrust. Pound-feet is a torque value. Tell them to just stick with "pounds" of thrust, just like kilograms of thrust.
"Kilograms of thrust" is also wrong. Kg is a unit of MASS, not FORCE. Non-engineers should stay out of engineering discussions. Everyone else just gets more confused when the blind try to lead the blind.
One of my all-time favourite aircraft. Read Captain Eric ‘Winkle’ Brown’s accounts of flying them from Germany to England immediately post-war. Fascinating.
Also the throttle controlling by thy pilot had to be ridiculously meticulous and Slow. If a pilot jammed the throttle to fast it could blow the engine just because the fan blades metallurgy wasn't using molybdenum and other high temp tensile strength metals. Because of shortages and being rarer in Germany.
And of lower quality, mixed with turpentine or ethanol. This badly affected piston engines, but less so turbojets. Also the metals, engineering and labour time required to build a DB605, could produce 3 or 4 JJ004s or BMW003s. So the shortages pushed them towards turbojet production, which was still an immature technology, even though the Germans were leading that revolution
After the war, the US began production of the B-45, a light jet bomber virtually identical to the Ar-234. It even had engine problems, like the Arado. The Russian Ilyushin-22 was a much larger copy of the Arado, but it never entered service. The British developed the B-57 Canberra, which had a generally similar layout: engines mounted on straight wings (not swept-back). However the Canberra's wings were mounted mid-fuselage with an internal bomb bay. It was a direct descendent of the de Havilland Mosquito, with which it shared many construction techniques. Canberra's served around the world until 2007.
The B-45 was hardly “virtually identical” to the AR-234. I’d say they share some moderate-to-strong similarities in layout, especially the version of the B-45 with the glassed-in nose. But “virtually identical?” No way. . The AR-234 and the B-45 are similar aircraft. The Tupolev Tu-4 was _virtually identical_ to the B-29.
The British designed and developed the English Electric Canberra. It was later license-built in the US by the Martin company and designated the B-57 Canberra.
There is one in the Udvar-Hazy Air and Space museum in Sterling, VA. Beautiful aircraft! I have plenty of pictures of her. ALLEGEDLY, all of the aircraft on display are in perfect flying condition. PS-I have a still picture that almost matches the picture you used of the cockpit.
I would like to suggest an idea for a new Sideproject for this channel. My suggestion is the Beechcraft Model 18. It was an aircraft that was in continuous production for total of 32 years. (1937 to 1969) Over 9,000 were built during this time. During WWII, it was used to train of 90% of all of the navigators and bombardiers of the USAAF. After WWII ended, it was used for everything from passenger travel and mail freight to fighting fires and movie productions. I hope you will consider making a video for this important historical aircraft for your channel.
I’m a fan and a subscriber. But I’m also an aerospace engineer. For the love of God, it’s not “pound-feet of thrust.” It’s pounds *force* of thrust. Pounds*feet is torque, not thrust. You’re making the understandable, common mistake of confusing the abbreviation “lbf (pounds force) with lb-ft (pounds times feet). Like I said, this is clearly an honest mistake. But it’s also an existential question: are you Fact Boy, or “I feel like this is true” boy? And yes, I believe I *am* fun at parties! Why do you ask?
It's no use. We've been trying to tell him this since the very first episode about a jet powered engine. He does the same for rocket engines too. Perhaps we should just get him to use Newtons instead...
Simon's pretty much guaranteed to make at least one unit mistake in every episode. But it's better than the one where he referred to "propeller-driven jet fighters."
@@jjones6606 So did the P-51 B & C. (Razorback). Although the Official Difference between the P-51B & P-51C was where they were built, almost all P-51C's had the fuselage fuel tank and only the last of the P-51b's did....
The advantage of external (bomb) stores for a 'Blitz Bomber' is indeed that no internal room need be provided thus on the return (escape) trip, one is not flying with empty, drag producing compartments and is faster and has longer range. This is how fighter/bombers are designed today.
I think I've seen this mentioned before but LbF is pound force. Lbft is pound feet and it's used for torque. Ik it's confusing I'm american and I hate the imperial system.
@@dave8599 the argument is over Simon's use of 'pounds-feet' in relation to thrust, where he should actually be saying 'pounds-force'. He or his script writers are misinterpreting 'lbf' to mean pounds-feet, whereas its actually pounds-force. Nothing to do with metric. Don't get me started on slugs and poundals (both Imperial units used in engineering and physics).
1:03 There's a policeman's quote that applies but I don't think it was ever done mayby by a lack of coordination. "You can outrun me or my car. But can you outrun my Motorola?"
Both the britts and the swedes developed jet engines in the 30s. Never put in to production. The Swede Alf Lysholm had a working prototype in 1932…. You can see this engine at the Technical museum in Stockholm.
That's seems odd but starting these engines was done pulling a string like a landmover, via a small two stroke motor in the engine's bullet. Don't count on this after a flameout.
That's funny. Later when the British built the Canberra bomber this engines used a small black powder charge to spin up the engines. Sometimes new personnel who'd never seen it take off would think it was on fire and call or for services to "stop the fire". Port much all of these would end with the plane covered in retardant and a pissed off And covered pilot would be ready to chew out the poor person so called out for it. A small stroke engine starter used for the Arrado?!🤣
I love that, nothing more American than having a plane built by the Germans, stationed in Norway, surrendered to the British and yet some how is in Virginia.
I have video of seeing the Arado Ar-234B in Chantilly. It’s actually a German WWII aircraft that I actually really like. . . . . Especially aesthetically.
My late Father in law was at Remagen when they were bombed by the Arado. They missed. Hitler threw everything at the bridge including V1/V2's. Didn't work.
A sideproject definitely , excellent video 📹 Germany made many fabulous aircraft. The Germans should have made a direct copy of the British Lancaster and have an active fleet of 300. In the war, the Luftwaffe couldn't deliver a heavy punch at s single point. The Americans produced s copy of the Lancaster, the B29.
Simon, pounds-feet is not a unit of force or thrust. If you are seeing 'lbf' as thrust units in your source data, it's pounds-force, not pounds-feet. Pounds-force or Newtons, please. Kilograms-force is sort of acceptable even though it's not an SI unit, but it's more understandable to people not familiar with Newtons.
He does long videos on his other channels go watch those the man already stresses how over worked he his with all the other channels and people like yourself don’t help saying things like that
@@danieldestree3235 so then over hour long episodes of casual criminalist aren’t good enough? I’m lost? Deserves days to and yah know things like sleep
The allies had been testing jets for several years. However they weren’t so desperate as the Nazis who were forced to put their jets into service even though they weren’t really ready.
If Germany had a leader who could actually focus, everything would have ended differently. But, Hitler couldn't, instead wanting bigger and better, then wrecking everything by wanting something completely different.
Arado 234 with undercarriage could manage 460mph carrying full bomb load speed was 50mph slower same speed as mustng P51. Simon is a amateur historian ok
Must admit that the Germans were technically very advanced, and I believe that they and the Americans were much more advanced than Britian Russia and Japan.
This is an example of what I call the "machine-gun effect". By which I mean that these designs assume that 1 German-Arian master race pilot with better equipment could equal a dozen or more allied soldiers with inferior technology and lower morale/fanaticism. Just as one machine gun in a pillbox could kill hundreds of Allied soldiers going " over the top" and trying to get to an opposing trench through 'no man's land'. I think a lot of people forget that those top NAZI leadership were mostly still trying solutions to WW1 Era problems that were not applicable to the 1940's. The first world War was the defining experience of their generation and weather they knew it or not, their brains just weren't on the right page so to speak
You sound like an angry jew but history cannot be erased at all with or without the Aryan bs Germany clapped everyone Germany lost when they ran out of supplies
Stah - WANG - 'er....PLEASE! First look up city names in wikipedia check out how to pronounce them... don't be a yank... there is no zzzyyy sound in Stavanger. IT IS NORWEGIAN.
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Thrust is measured in pounds or kilos force. Ie lbf or kgf.
Pound feet is a unit of torque - and utterly irrelevant in this application
Please look into lieutenant Daniel Reid “DFC raf 41st squadron” shot down the first AR234 above Holland, march 1945. Spitfire! Aus! My great uncle.
If you are interested, I can give you some references to information. :)
"They might have had more impact if more had been produced". So many german vehicles and technologies can be described this way. They were way ahead of us in a lot of ways, but one super advanced (whatever) vs 10 mediocre ones still isn't much of a fight
Yeah. Ww2 was a war of production, and a small amount of tiger 2s and me262s just can’t stand against thousands of m4 Shermans and p-51s
@@randomotter6346 it also didn't help that things like the 262 burned through its engines in about 8 to 10 hours of operation.
@@andrewgause6971 that could be fixed through metallurgy advanced, just like USA/Russia excel at today. Just needed more time/technology.
@@jonhall2274 No, their sources for the rarer metals used in the combustion chambers were over run by the Soviets. The lesser metals just did not last due to the temps. Technology can only do so much
They had plenty of planes, but no fuel and no pilots
Simon, great video! However, tell the writer(s) to stop using pound-feet as thrust. Pound-feet is a torque value. Tell them to just stick with "pounds" of thrust, just like kilograms of thrust.
"Kilograms of thrust" is also wrong. Kg is a unit of MASS, not FORCE. Non-engineers should stay out of engineering discussions. Everyone else just gets more confused when the blind try to lead the blind.
One of my all-time favourite aircraft. Read Captain Eric ‘Winkle’ Brown’s accounts of flying them from Germany to England immediately post-war. Fascinating.
Germany lacked the rare metals to build a reliable jet engine , engine life was 10 hours or less also fuel became scarce.
Also the throttle controlling by thy pilot had to be ridiculously meticulous and Slow. If a pilot jammed the throttle to fast it could blow the engine just because the fan blades metallurgy wasn't using molybdenum and other high temp tensile strength metals. Because of shortages and being rarer in Germany.
Hess should have brought back some Scottish Chromium!
F86 engines in Korea had the same 10 hour life. We just bought thousands.
SR-71 made by CCCP RARE metal ;-P
And of lower quality, mixed with turpentine or ethanol. This badly affected piston engines, but less so turbojets. Also the metals, engineering and labour time required to build a DB605, could produce 3 or 4 JJ004s or BMW003s. So the shortages pushed them towards turbojet production, which was still an immature technology, even though the Germans were leading that revolution
1:05 - Chapter 1 - History
3:55 - Chapter 2 - Design features & specs
8:35 - Mid roll ads
10:05 - Chapter 3 - Variants
13:00 - Chapter 4 - Noteworthy missions
15:05 - Chapter 5 - The end of the blitz
Idk why he doesn't do this himself. Anyway, thank YOU for doing it for him
Legend
After the war, the US began production of the B-45, a light jet bomber virtually identical to the Ar-234. It even had engine problems, like the Arado. The Russian Ilyushin-22 was a much larger copy of the Arado, but it never entered service. The British developed the B-57 Canberra, which had a generally similar layout: engines mounted on straight wings (not swept-back). However the Canberra's wings were mounted mid-fuselage with an internal bomb bay. It was a direct descendent of the de Havilland Mosquito, with which it shared many construction techniques. Canberra's served around the world until 2007.
The B-45 was hardly “virtually identical” to the AR-234. I’d say they share some moderate-to-strong similarities in layout, especially the version of the B-45 with the glassed-in nose. But “virtually identical?” No way.
. The AR-234 and the B-45 are similar aircraft. The Tupolev Tu-4 was _virtually identical_ to the B-29.
The British designed and developed the English Electric Canberra. It was later license-built in the US by the Martin company and designated the B-57 Canberra.
Always loved this plane and tried to find models of it to build
Google "arado ar 234 model"
@@ripsumrall8018 Thanks wouldn’t have thought of that
There is one in the Udvar-Hazy Air and Space museum in Sterling, VA. Beautiful aircraft! I have plenty of pictures of her.
ALLEGEDLY, all of the aircraft on display are in perfect flying condition.
PS-I have a still picture that almost matches the picture you used of the cockpit.
I just ran out of videos to watch. Thank you, Simon for the rescue!
The part about them having periscopes rather tickled me, like they're a submarine, but in the sky... :P
ww2 a/c was common
I would like to suggest an idea for a new Sideproject for this channel. My suggestion is the Beechcraft Model 18. It was an aircraft that was in continuous production for total of 32 years. (1937 to 1969) Over 9,000 were built during this time. During WWII, it was used to train of 90% of all of the navigators and bombardiers of the USAAF. After WWII ended, it was used for everything from passenger travel and mail freight to fighting fires and movie productions. I hope you will consider making a video for this important historical aircraft for your channel.
Side Project episode suggestion: Do a video on what it takes to make a Simon Whistler video from start to finish.
I’m a fan and a subscriber. But I’m also an aerospace engineer.
For the love of God, it’s not “pound-feet of thrust.” It’s pounds *force* of thrust.
Pounds*feet is torque, not thrust. You’re making the understandable, common mistake of confusing the abbreviation “lbf (pounds force) with lb-ft (pounds times feet).
Like I said, this is clearly an honest mistake.
But it’s also an existential question: are you Fact Boy, or “I feel like this is true” boy?
And yes, I believe I *am* fun at parties! Why do you ask?
It's no use. We've been trying to tell him this since the very first episode about a jet powered engine. He does the same for rocket engines too. Perhaps we should just get him to use Newtons instead...
Simon's pretty much guaranteed to make at least one unit mistake in every episode.
But it's better than the one where he referred to "propeller-driven jet fighters."
@ 14:45 that is a P-51A with the Allison engine hence the different nose than all the other Mustangs which had Packard built Merlin engines.
It has the old style canopy too, instead of a 360• canopy
@@jjones6606 So did the P-51 B & C. (Razorback). Although the Official Difference between the P-51B & P-51C was where they were built, almost all P-51C's had the fuselage fuel tank and only the last of the P-51b's did....
Besides the Do 335 Pfeil/Arrow, probably one of the most interesting operational german aircraft of WW2.
The advantage of external (bomb) stores for a 'Blitz Bomber' is indeed that no internal room need be provided thus on the return (escape) trip, one is not flying with empty, drag producing compartments and is faster and has longer range. This is how fighter/bombers are designed today.
I've never heard of this plane, great video!
*They also used this airframe as a carrier for the world's first airborne radar plane, the forerunner to today's AWAKS*
Thank you ,
🐺
I really need to go back to the Smithsonian. I do not remember seeing the Arado 234 the last time I was there.
It’s in the Udvar-Hazy museum in Sterling, VA next to Dulles Airport
I think I've seen this mentioned before but LbF is pound force. Lbft is pound feet and it's used for torque. Ik it's confusing I'm american and I hate the imperial system.
There was exactly the same mistake in a video a few weeks ago.
I am American, I am not confused. go to europe if you want that euro unit junk.
@@wilcovanwinden6581 more than that. Usually the videos involving planes.
@@dave8599 the argument is over Simon's use of 'pounds-feet' in relation to thrust, where he should actually be saying 'pounds-force'. He or his script writers are misinterpreting 'lbf' to mean pounds-feet, whereas its actually pounds-force. Nothing to do with metric. Don't get me started on slugs and poundals (both Imperial units used in engineering and physics).
Simon Whistler talking about WWII aviation? Of course I clicked!
Hi Simon, how about a project on the Pilatus PC6 Porter, made famous (to me, anyway) by the movie Air America?
“Waltuh, I’m not bombing The Allies with you, Waltuh.”
I got to sit in the cockpit of this one just when it was rebuilt for the Air & Space Museum.
1:03 There's a policeman's quote that applies but I don't think it was ever done mayby by a lack of coordination. "You can outrun me or my car. But can you outrun my Motorola?"
Interesting subject, before the only thing that I could associate with the word blitz was the tragedy of the bombing of the U.K. during WW2.
Both the britts and the swedes developed jet engines in the 30s. Never put in to production.
The Swede Alf Lysholm had a working prototype in 1932….
You can see this engine at the Technical museum in Stockholm.
Just a small technicality, but lbf is pounds-force, rather than pound-feet. Great video, Fact Boy.
It's a bit more than a technicality - pounds-feet is torque, pounds thrust is force. In horribly obsolete units, anyway.
Ooo do the Vought V-173 next! That thing was even more wacky.
I can't say it's beautiful but it's damn fascinating!
Freeman field outside Seymour, Indiana, had captured Luftwaffe aircraft, including a Ar 234.
They also launched V2's at the Ludendorf Bruke aka Remagan Bridge.
They flew a recon version of Britain. Although we spotted it on radar nothing could catch it. It was before the Meteor was in service.
That's seems odd but starting these engines was done pulling a string like a landmover, via a small two stroke motor in the engine's bullet. Don't count on this after a flameout.
That's funny. Later when the British built the Canberra bomber this engines used a small black powder charge to spin up the engines. Sometimes new personnel who'd never seen it take off would think it was on fire and call or for services to "stop the fire". Port much all of these would end with the plane covered in retardant and a pissed off And covered pilot would be ready to chew out the poor person so called out for it. A small stroke engine starter used for the Arrado?!🤣
Flame out at altitude windmill effect on compressor not needed auxiliary engine
I love that, nothing more American than having a plane built by the Germans, stationed in Norway, surrendered to the British and yet some how is in Virginia.
Pounds-feet of thrust? Never heard that term before for jets. . .
interesting that the arado broke the sound barrier in level flight the pilot noted that it shook quite badly
You don't land 'em ya crash 'em...cheers.
I have video of seeing the Arado Ar-234B in Chantilly. It’s actually a German WWII aircraft that I actually really like. . . . . Especially aesthetically.
Pounds in this context refers to force and feet, well, feet. So pound-feet are units of energy. HTH
Do something on the bq-7 aphrodite, would make a great side project!!
Good video 👍
Bring back unhinged Simon on BB. Keep sane Simon here >:(
I have a witness account in my archive from a forced labourer who was present on airfield Marx in northern Germany and saw this plane.
My late Father in law was at Remagen when they were bombed by the Arado. They missed. Hitler threw everything at the bridge including V1/V2's.
Didn't work.
The bridge collapsed anyways. Killed a bunch of engineers when it did too.
@@1pcfred It was weakened and my FIL was amazed they made it across like they did. He was driving the third tank that night they crossed.
@@tgmccoy1556 The bridge lasted a good 10 days before it finally collapsed. But everyone was pretty amazed the bridge was captured intact.
The ground quakes from the V2's landing helped destabalize the already weakened structure.
That shirt is committing war crimes against my eyes.
Ironically, the plywood Mosquito was nearly as fast and much better. A good early effort, though.
very nice
@Simon: Awesome video. I fly this thing in a game called War Thunder. Maybe you should partner with them next time you need 3d models.
Simon talking about the Arado 234 Blitz ... wow am impressed! Hope he goes through every Nazi jet model ...
Coolest looking plane of the war
@sideprojects : Simon, please tell your writer that pound-feet is a measurement of torque, not of thrust.
A sideproject definitely , excellent video 📹
Germany made many fabulous aircraft.
The Germans should have made a direct copy of the British Lancaster and have an active fleet of 300.
In the war, the Luftwaffe couldn't deliver a heavy punch at s single point.
The Americans produced s copy of the Lancaster, the B29.
Relatively small nothing, I've seen the one at the Air&Space museum, they're effing tiny, for a warplane.
Simon, pounds-feet is not a unit of force or thrust. If you are seeing 'lbf' as thrust units in your source data, it's pounds-force, not pounds-feet. Pounds-force or Newtons, please. Kilograms-force is sort of acceptable even though it's not an SI unit, but it's more understandable to people not familiar with Newtons.
Hitler wanted to make the ME-262 into a bomber.
Surprised he didn't want to make this into a fighter...
They did, and it’s discussed in this very video.
11:08 What's that behind? Not a Fw 187...a Ju 188 the tail?
Nothing wrong with the design of the Jumo 004, it's failure was material, lack critical alloys doomed them to the recorded short TBF.
" more advanced than anything the Allies had." I think the atom bomb is a heck of a lot more advanced
And the allies also had the Gloster Meteor.
@@CaptHollister
which was no where superior lol
otherwise it would have been mass produced instead of the p51 and upgraded spit-fire
@@juicedfetus6063 Notice that the Germans did not stop producing the Bf109 even after launching production of their own jets.
What watch do you wear
i really like simons side projects. but can you do longer videos?
He does long videos on his other channels go watch those the man already stresses how over worked he his with all the other channels and people like yourself don’t help saying things like that
No
@@nikolaiboogaloo4592 i do look at his other videos. i watch all his channels
@@danieldestree3235 so then over hour long episodes of casual criminalist aren’t good enough? I’m lost? Deserves days to and yah know things like sleep
@@nikolaiboogaloo4592 sorry not what i meant. these videos are long enough. never mind i'll shut up now
Unreliable engines and no landing gear are a logical combination (sort of)
The allies had been testing jets for several years. However they weren’t so desperate as the Nazis who were forced to put their jets into service even though they weren’t really ready.
Looks like the B-29.
Only to you.
@@owenshebbeare2999 ok 👍
Get Ur eyes checked
@@Eric-kn4yn why loser?
Liège not leash to sounds, not one, or in Dutch Luik.
Ahh, but the Junkers Jumo engines and the BMW 002 engines were not all bad, it was poor materials and deliberate sabotage that did them in.
If Germany had a leader who could actually focus, everything would have ended differently. But, Hitler couldn't, instead wanting bigger and better, then wrecking everything by wanting something completely different.
pound feet of thrust?
Ray - mah- gen....please
Er, what?
Wtf is a pound-foot of thrust?
Too little too late to make a difference. Same applies to the ME262.
That is not a handsome aircraft.....
Arado 234 with undercarriage could manage 460mph carrying full bomb load speed was 50mph slower same speed as mustng P51. Simon is a amateur historian ok
Must admit that the Germans were technically very advanced, and I believe that they and the Americans were much more advanced than Britian Russia and Japan.
This is an example of what I call the "machine-gun effect". By which I mean that these designs assume that 1 German-Arian master race pilot with better equipment could equal a dozen or more allied soldiers with inferior technology and lower morale/fanaticism. Just as one machine gun in a pillbox could kill hundreds of Allied soldiers going " over the top" and trying to get to an opposing trench through 'no man's land'. I think a lot of people forget that those top NAZI leadership were mostly still trying solutions to WW1 Era problems that were not applicable to the 1940's. The first world War was the defining experience of their generation and weather they knew it or not, their brains just weren't on the right page so to speak
You sound like an angry jew
but history cannot be erased at all
with or without the Aryan bs Germany clapped everyone Germany lost when they ran out of supplies
4:19 you forgot to mention V-2 rockets by the way
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Trust in the LORD Jesus Christ Forever Amen.
Stah - WANG - 'er....PLEASE! First look up city names in wikipedia check out how to pronounce them... don't be a yank... there is no zzzyyy sound in Stavanger. IT IS NORWEGIAN.
The fact that you made three different comments complaining about pronunciations tells me you need a hobby.
first
Hey Simon: the unit of jet thrust is "pound" not "pound-feet". Get this shit right, it looks bad on your otherwise decent vids.
Good video 👍
Are you a bot or something??