BRO WHAT EVER LASER SOUND YOU HAVE IN THE BACKROUND IS SO FUCKING HIGH PITCH AND HURTS MY EARS I CANT LISTEN TO THIS VID PLZ FIX I FEEL LIKE A DOG AND YOUR VID HAS A DOG WISTEL
Awakened Garou in the WC was still massively holding back to mess with the heroes, if he was going all out he would have smashed Tatsumaki's head in like he did with Sweet Mask
If Darkshine's strength is above Kabuto's, Darkshine should be relative to Gouketsu in terms of power, but you have to remember that even Darkshine cant harm himself, he's the total opposite of a glass cannon, while Gouketsu does have superior martial arts, I dont think he could do much substantial damage to Darkshine.
@@4nnd711If the Mf hasnt sustained fatal or serious injuries throughout an entire arc apart from acid and his face getting dislocated, how do you expect someone weaker than golden sperm to defeat darkshine? And golden sperm is considered to be equal in strength with Orochi.
@@rexcelent8560 Fuhrer ugly is made of acid, so durability doesn’t matter there, gouketsu wouldn’t be able to take the acid either.. He can strike fuhrer ugly with wind pressure though, that’s the only thing he can do darkshine will struggle to do
Darkshine is just a whole heck of a lot stronger. He doesn't have the martial skills of Gouketsu, but... Gouketsu could hit him all night long and Darkshine would sustain next to no damage. Eventually Darkshine would use offensive techniques so strong that, if landed, would simply pull off the win.
I just really want to see him get some confidence and go HAM, Im confident that he would have King levels of reputation might be the new "Strongest man" title holder, because he is. Excluding saitama of course
I don't remember the fight in the manga that well, but if it's anything like the one in the webcomic, Goketsu doesn't have a way to win. Even the Garou that faced Darkshine barely grazed him. The only reason Darkshine lost is because of his weak mental state..He got terrified by Garou and simply quit.. That's how i remember it...
Webcomics Darkshine have better feats and would put him above his manga counterpart , However , when i scale characters i don't do crossovers since many things has changed , characters that got weaker and others that got stronger , and as i've said in the Video , if we don't take genos's statement to be valid , the only way i see Darkshine loosing is his Mental State
What TH are you talking about? Garou's burst of growth was so fast his punch managed to match Darkshine's. And there's even a panel of Darkshine coughing blood after tanking Garou's hit right in the abdomen
@@tienluong9648nope it was spit & it was shown that none of garou's attacks actually hurt darkshine they just showed that he was too fast & evasive for him to land any form of attack on him after he evolved
@@Beastly_Genius if someone is hit u hard enough to make u spit then u did feel that u took some type of damage. he wouldnt voluntarily spit, which means garou had enough force to make darkshines body actually have a reaction to his hit. Yes he may not have been able to really break skin or injury him badly, but if someone keeps hitting u with enough for darkshine to do that, then it will build up and eventually become severe. imo atleast, he hasnt shown any inhuman durability abilities like not being able to handle acid on his skin, so i feel like internal damage can still build up if enough force is there to start a reaction.
Darkshine has top durability in the series, I would say only behind Platinum S, the two biggest centipedes, Cosmic Garou and Boros (maybe including Rover but that's debatable), but we saw Gouketsu with the touch of a fist blowing a big chunk of the stadium away and he stated he was a High Dragon level threat, he defeated a high Demon level Genos, almost dragon level, in OPM fashion, and had basically the same level of martial art dexterity as Garou at the beginning of the arc, and speed similar to Sonic at 60% or so. However, if Darkshine defeated Kabuto he's got great punching power too, but it would be an awful matchup because he's pretty slow and be hard to land even a single punch. They're pretty even, but I would say Darkshine would win if he manages to resist and survive long enough until Gouketsu tires up, kind of what Zombieman does.
@@BKBK-yo1zz you've got a point there but keep in mind that that was a barely monsterized Garou and he was half-fainted too, and Garou and Suiryu were pretty similar in stats when Garou was still human, and Gouketsu beat the shit out of Suiryu and he was WAAAAAY faster than Suiryu, he appeared behind his back unnoticed despite his size, that's an insane speed. Darkshine couldn't have rivaled that speed at all.
@@winterfellwhall9934there's no statement that Siriu has the same stats or speed as human garou. I remember a scene where garou battled siryu on a game but garou just frost because he is too fast.. garou is much faster even in human form
@@KaJe11 suiryu beat a monsterized choze, choze as a human was implied that he would beat lightning max pretty easily, putting him comfortably in high A-Class. Choze then became monsterized, giving him a power boost to which we can estimate was around high demon level, imo probably top 5 strongest demons, especially with how other martial artistis grew when monsterized like bakuzan becoming a dragon, despite being a low dragon lol. Human garou depending when u grab him is very much around this level, slightly higher most likely. So it isnt crazy to say that gouketsus speed is quite outrageous for his size. IMO gouketsu wins if he can damage darkshine enough to scare him before tiring out, but he definitely has speed over darkshine atleast, and most likely strength. Darkshines durability is just crazy though
I feel like metal bat is one of the most underated S class heroes, like i think most people forget he is the same age as garou if not younger. I want to see what would happen if Metal Bat faced of against someone like Genos.
Think of a light tap like how he defeated bug god it was causal punch but his muscles had killing intent behind them,Orochi definitely wasn't trying to kill Garou at the time
@@breakingbread9313 Bug God was smacking Garou around. Bug God then proceeded to enter a new form, becoming significantly stronger, and Darkshine onetapped him with essentially no power. The evolution that Garou went through during his fight with Orochi was monumentous. Sleeping Garou post-Orochi oneshot Bristle Armour Puri-Puri Prisoner, but couldn't even scratch Darkshine. Garou had to further evolve to scare Darkshine into mentally breaking, yet he still couldn't break through is durability.
I think Gouketsu vs Darkshine would be a close fight. I think it's kinda ridiculous to think that Gouketsu could one shot Carnage Kabuto. Genos never even got to fight Kabuto's Ashura form. In my opinion, I think fifteen minutes is actually decently long for a fight in OPM since all the characters move so fast. Looking back at it now, I really wish they didn't kill Gouketsu off. Him and Groribas had potential. I wonder; who would win in a fight between Groribas and Vomited Fuhrer Ugly? 🤔
Fr it's such a shame he got killed off by caped baldy he could have probably done so much more, one problem with opm is that when caped baldy fights any character it's hard to scale them because the fight just ends with one punch
I like how you compare VFU to Groribas as if it is even fair, you are comparing someone whos literally featless to a monster with feats, Groribas is considered to be the strongest general in the databook, even stronger than the guy who could move rocks at lightspeed by removing friction, so we'd assume he is a high dragon or something.
@@MrWeird-mu5ulnormal Gouketsu punch > all feats Kabuto. Genos fought against Kabuto and saw him fight with Saitama, but after receiving a simple blow from Goketsu, he put him above all the monsters he saw
Possible, but when Orochi briefly takes control of the fusion he states he's going to get Saitama back for what he did to him, implying he thinks he could also beat Orochi with the fusion in one punch
I alsonam confused by why so many people take for granted that psychorochi is stronger than original orochi. Sure, it's a fusion, but it's a fusion with a seriously weakened remnant of the original. The OG dragon monster was blitzing awakened cockroach from halfway across a cave and instantly mastered flowing water, crushed rock.
@@alecbader7433 To be fair Orochi briefly takes control and swears he'll kill Saitama with this. He could just be wrong but if he didn't have higher power now then he'd just be an idiot
I mean if you compare the original's strongest attack "Gaia Cannon" which uses inner core magma (hot as the sun) to hit Saitama to the fusion's strongest attack, a beam capable of slicing through the entire planet in half....
@@notlightbeam4889 There's no need for lying here. Nobody is capable of planet busting beyond the god tiers of Saitama, Cosmic Garou, Boris and likely Blast though he's more of a technique guy.
Interesting analysis. My take is it ends in a stalemate, Darkshine wouldn’t take any damage but offensively he doesn’t really seem to have enough firepower to take down Gouketsu.
Thats what I thought but seeing that garou not really even damaging him caused a mental breakdown I wonder what goukestu's overwhelming strength and speed would do to his mental stability. Bakuzan a dragon level being reevaluated his entire life choices after witnessing a punch from him
@@markrmznyc__ yeah we dont but we could assume that most enemies dont gets stronger when the fight goes on, because only 2 peeps has those. Well I guess though monsters can evolve, so you could be true.
Gouketsu scales above elder cintapid with feats and elder cintapid can only be defeated by blast king tatsumaki and metal knight darkshine is not one of them and gouketsu scales above elder cintapid so mid diff win for gouketsu
Saitama stated he didn't know if Gouketsu was strong because to him he was as weak as any other monster he fought. Due to this we can pretty conclusively discount Genos' claims, leaving a fairly even matchup with the edge going to Gouketsu
I think Darkshine would win…. It would be a good fight tho. But Darkshine weakness is his mind. As Golden S even said he’s being a coward after receiving minimum damage. He fought Garou and forced him to evolve, delt the major blow PyschoOrochi, fought ENW, Vomitted Fuhrer Ugly, Black S and Golden S and after all that his mind was broken not his body. With that being said I don’t think Gouketsu would evolve like Garou did to save him. The damage he receives from Darkshine would actually effect him and be permanent…. I hope Darkshine makes a comeback like Puri did. Using Golden S as motivation to become bulkier and shinier… just like he worked hard and went from a scrawny kid to one of the physically strongest S class heroes, this time he’ll work on his mental fortitude. Having the mindset to protect instead of seeking a thrill. It would be awesome to see him make a comeback.
@@MrWeird-mu5ul because it was a simulation and darkshine knew that he wouldn't actually take real damage or die while against garou and gs he got scared because he would then be at the mercy of his opponent
@@syenous2454 You gotta reread it buddy, Metal bat literally got damaged by carnage kabuto and his injuries were so severe that they refuse to let metal bat continue so what you're saying is total bullcrap.
@@syenous2454 He took barely any damage apart from acid, the only reason he got knocked out because Golden sperm shattered his confidence and refused to get up, he was literally burnt by acid, what did you expect? Not saying he would win against golden sperm, i am only saying he wouldve not let himself get knocked out and could have put up a decent fight before still getting defeated if he didnt have such a very low self esteem.
@@syenous2454 It took 15 minutes for darkshine at full power to defear carnage kabuto and he didnt lose his self esteem, and darkshine literally wanted more. The only reason he lost against garou is because of superior martial arts and ofc plot armor which allowed him to overcome darkshine and curbstomp him, but he did no damage to his skin apart from a small nosebleed, yall would seriously downplay someone like darkshine who proved himself through feats despite his low self esteem, meanwhile overrate a featless monster who only fought weakass martial artists, the weakest s class martial, the weakest dragon level threat ever and saitama.
You also have to remember that when Genos encountered Gouketsu, he was heavily injured from his previous fights, and likely made some of his statements out of fear and despiration. When you're hopeless, you can make some pretty exaggerated statements.
Genos has never made statements out of fear. They're always out of frustration because he wasn't strong enough. They also come from accurate readings of his opponents power because Genos can literally read energy signatures.
@@pipethegadoll1376 No, Genos can't read energy signatures. Boros for example could, hence why he sensed Saitama's power. If Genos could actually read the power/energy levels of Guoketsu, he wouldn't have said something so hilariously false like: all the S class heroes would have to team up WITH Saitama to beat him Genos in truth has greatly overestimated Guoketsu's strength, and did the opposite for the S class heroes too, which kind of proves his calculations are by far not immune to error
BASE Kabuto killed genos multiple times not CARNAGE Kabuto, so this comparison doesnt work... Also GK would have to be above spiral garou to beat DS . And there is no way that spiral garou is losing to GK
When you say there is no Way GK is losing to spiral Garou you have to provide evidence , i tried to tackle all angles when it comes to this fight with the less info provided , as for BASE kabuto , The same thing could be said about GK , not trying and easily blitzed Genos , but when he got blitzed 55 times by Kabuto , he has never stated things like ''All S Class heroes should engage with him in order to win against him'' and based on that i put GK > CK , but all of these are speculations with no feats , GK could be stronger than All , and could be weaker than All
@@YacineScales ik that GK would beat CK and that BOTH of them held back against genos . but DS also beat CK. and Spiral garou > DS and HAS to have better technique than GK for obvious reasons.
@@YacineScales One thing to consider is that Darkshine only gave up against Garou after witnessing his busted growth mechanic; Garou had closed the massive gap in strength and actually surpassed him in that short battle. Also Garou has the insane ability to just resist death, so unless Goketsu has equal or similar mechanics paired with a large gap in strength then he gets whittled down by Darkshine. Don't forget that Darkshine was tanking hits from water stream and whirlwind combined with only minimal damage. Those are the pinnacle of martial arts techniques as we know in the One Punch universe. Also Genos has no reason to suggest the entirety of the S class taking on Kabuto because it's just a simulation. There were no stakes, Genos was only interested in advancing his power.
genos is too unreliable imo, goketsu didn't match a feat of saitama's to warrant getting compared to him. genos just doesn't know where he falls amomgst the heros. genos probably thinks they are equal to him.
I think Darkshine takes this mid to high diff. I just think we have showcasings for darkshine much more consistent in him being powerful enough and more importantly, durable enough to take it with relatively okay difficulty. Gouketsu as a martial artist I don't think was ever eluded to being anywhere near the level of Bang or Garou. So I don't believe that plays a huge role in this match up. Darkshine has feats of dealing with martial arts, it's just that Garou was so ferocious and such a genius of combat, that he overwhelmed him, not to mention Darkshine simply quit, not exactly defeated in a normal sense. Things like that aren't asumed for 1v1 matchups, as giving up is never a characteristic that is attributed to a bloodlusted individual. Now, Darkshine has feats of straight up TANKING ENW's highpressure beams. Those were basically cutting through everyone and everything else, with the exceptions of obviously characters like awakened Garou. These were highly concentrated beams meant for cutting through stuff performed by a high dragon cadre. Not only that, but Darkshine ONE SHOT Evil Natural Water. Unless we're going to say Gouketsu somehow does the same thing, I think Darkshine takes strength easy money. His strength feats just don't align with the type of ability to one shot another cadre like that, given that Suryuu even took several blows, though not at 100% power. In comparison though, Deep sea king should have relative durability to Suryuu and Darkshine gently touches the DSK and disintegrates him. Gouketsu put some power into his shots and Suryuu absorbed several shots. Gouketsu has no tangible durability feats as Suiryuu would do nothing to darkshine all the same, but a single normal punch from Saitama obliterated him the same way it did to Bakuzan. NOW, Overgrown Rover actually took one of Saitama's normal punches with no visible damage. So unless we're assuming Overgrown Rover's durability is entire levels above that of Darkshine's this would easily go to Darkshine as well. Which we can actually somewhat give an estimation to thankfully. So, no damage was taken from post Bug God Garou by Rover, but he was able to move him around and give him something that he could feel. Although this is post Bug God Garou, we cannot assume he's much more powerful than Bug God at this point, since not only did he get the shit broken off him by Bug God just previously, Bug God also has another form more powerful than the one that Garou faced AND Garou couldn't even put a dent in Bug God in just his previous state. So it's safe to assume Garou might just be around the same level as Bug God or maybe a tiny bit stronger here. Bug God got wrecked by Darkshine. To the point it's not even funny. Darkshine stood there and received no damage, then proceeded to one tap him into dust. So it's a fair assumption I think, that Darkshine would be able to do much more damage to Overgrown Rover than what Garou could and at least the same durability as Rover, if not even more so. Against Bang and Bomb, although they didn't outright defeat Rover, they schooled him and made him respect them to the point where Rover was willing to listen to their commands. Kinda similar to Saitama, except I think he was just straight up terrified of him lol. Anyway, Bang actually "beat" Darkshine in a sparring match, however it's like when you win in a martial arts tournament based on points, not by inflicting damage upon someone. Darkshine was totally unschathed and able to continue when they called it a day. Btw, this same Bang also has feats of damaging and keeping up with Pre awakened Garou, one that was close to the same level that went up against FF and Platinum S, and perhaps even more so as he didn't possess any mental restrictions, using a really dangerous and powerful technique against Bang. Bang would've been holding back the same way against Garou as he did against Darkshine, maybe even more so. Although it was a composite feat and he wasn't holding back much, Bang also damaged Elder Centipede btw... Yet, He couldn't even scratch Darkshine. That's the crazy durability we're talking about. Also, any feat of "defeat" during the MA arc for Darkshine came from him giving up essentially. He only suffers a minimal amount of damage from Vomit FU, whose acid could straight up disintegrate dragon level monsters and people (from the council of swordsmen). Even Golden S remarks that it's disgraceful he gave up after receiving so little damage to his body. With Darkshine's durability being so high end, him one shotting literal cadres that don't even have solid forms, him keeping up with people who he's kept up with, then looking at Gouketsu and how he went out, as well as the lack of anything impressive against someone genuinely really powerful, I'm gonna have to say Darkshine is the clear winner here. I also have to believe Carnage mode Kabuto vs Gouketsu would be quite close. Like, Carnage mode is supposed to be a multiplier to his already insane base form, in which he was able to BREATH away Genos's incineration canon, that which wouldn't have received such a massive upgrade between G4 and start of series, as they were already really powerful to begin with. And so, his Carnage mode is a lot stronger than his base, and that to me spells high dragon the likes of Gouketsu type of power. Not only that, there's a direct comparison we can make. In the audio book, Genos fought against his previous opponents in a simulation. This is G4 Genos btw. He blitzed through Mosquito girl and the DSK. When it came to Kabuto, in base form, he got one shotted again. Sound familiar? Yeah, Gouketsu did this. However, in Gouketsu's case it was an ambush attack, and Genos was already highly damaged in battle before that. It's implied Kabuto can do this to G4 Genos at any point and at any time, and that is only his base form. Therefore... Gouketsu would have an incredibly difficult time with him, and in my opinion, Carnage mode would probably end up winning that one. I know this is not a for sure way to scale them but, Kabuto still has the more impressive feats. And so, we arrive at Kabuto vs Darkshine. Although it did take Darkshine 15 minutes to kill Kabuto, he did win the battle and he did that with still no damage to him what so ever. I'd consider that a low-mid diff. So we have Kabuto, someone who should be more than competitive with Gouketsu, killed by Darkshine who didn't even take damage. The only reason Darkshine would maybe have a tiny bit of a harder time with Gouketsu would be due to his martial arts, which Kabuto doesn't have. But that's conjecture, Gouketsu might even be easier for him in reality. So, based on feats and without stretching assumptions for light years on end, based on the characters presented to us as they are, I don't believe Gouketsu has much of a chance against Darkshine at all. See ya.
Me encanta el detalle sobre el hecho de que Darkshine es la representacion de todos aquellos "Gym Bro's" que se hacen fuerte para aumentar su autoestima por alguna razon en particular. En este caso, el baso su autoestima completamente en su fisico, por lo que es comprensible que despues de llegar hasta ese nivel de fuerza el hecho de enfrentarse a alguien que lo supere en todos los aspectos debio de ser un brutal golpe de realidad para el.
I think goketsu is strongest based in his defense. Saitama has the same amount the strength when he use his first punch. The sane who killed deep sea. And the giant. Now goketsu was one shoted. But the diference is how. For example most of demon and dragons levels just explode gokestu was tear apart. So even if seems werid that proves his durabilty. His head just go away but was ( mostly) intact beside most of the monster. This proves goketsu durability. Remember the same punch who literally make kaubuto explode. Only blow his head
Forgot to mention the gouketsu has no wuhaneses, he is a very well rounded character darkshine could be strong but gouketsu was on another level, in fact i bet that if gouketsu called darkshine a BITCH he would win by that
Gouketsu is literally stronger than Golden S, Orochi implied that Elder Centipede and Gouketsu are equal (heck Gyoro Gyoro even consider Gouketsu stronger due to the fact that even a group of S class accordingly to her would only bring Gouketsu some broken bones and even Gouketsu even say that Gyoro Gyoro is underestimating him You also forgot that Saitama killed Darkshine with One Punch (and even Genos compared Gouketsu to Saitama's power which is consistent when Genos said that Gouketsu is the strongest monster he ever faced so far)
Is Goeketsu actually stronger than Golden Sperm? I do think that both of them are VERY high dragons putting them being in the same league as Armored Boros because I think Armored Boros is also a Very high dragon. I think Golden Sperm is way more durable but in strength and attack potency idk in my opinion tho Golden S is stronger but I just really don't know that's just my opinion
@@jhoembisan9792 Golden S+Black S+Homeless Emperor+Evil Natural Water consider themselves Elder Centipede level (they are scared shitless when King came judging from the info he one shotted EC) I already explained that it consistently portrayed that Gouketsu is Elder Centipede level or even above judging by Orochi's evaluation, Gyoro Gyoro and Genos' judgement. Golden S was never stated that he can fight multiple S Class, he also didn't kill Darkshine with One Punch unlike Saitama in VGS (And Genos compared Gouketsu's strength to Saitama despite seeing him one shotting a meteor and Carnage Kabuto) it's also consistent when Genos said that Gouketsu is the strongest monster he ever faced that time which proves that he can one shot Darkshine tier chatavters (Darkshine defeated Carnage Kabuto in VGS after 30 minutes in FULL Power) Genos even commented that Saitama would NEED help from other S Class to SAFELY defeat Gouketsu which is backed up by Gyoro Gyoro Boros being High Dragon is questionable since it's only durability, he should be Peak High Dragon when he unsealed himself since no one have supposed to witness his Meteoric Burst as they are not strong enough
@@gogo_zeppeli3759 Golden sperm is not gouketsu level. He one shotted darkshine Who Was around spiral garou level Spiral garou>>Garou human Garou human tanked blows from bang Bang was able to break Elder centipedes armour Golden s is not that weak
@@GotamaFusion Bang never broke Elder Centipede's armour. If you remembered, he was molting and what 2 Bangs(Bang and Bomb are equal) did was only help him molt. That's all I'm gonna say since this one information immediately ruins your argument.
@@professionalidiot4987 This one information is wrong though. EC molded to heal the damage he took. He wasn't conveniently molding whenever someone managed to deal some damage to him. I don't even know how you could've misread it that way in the first place.
Let's be clear Genos compared Gougetsu punch to Saitama's death punch Saitama Death Punch will kill Kabuto with one hit Darkshine with his full power can defeat Kabuto with mid difficulty Gougetsu can defeat Kabuto with one hit (No difficulty) Gougetsu will defeat Darkshine with low difficulty🎉
Genos didn't think his strength was almost the same as Saitamas gouketsu only reminded him a little of Saitama it says that in the the images your showing I hate when people do this
I have watched all of your videos but this one was the only one I disagreed with. Gouketsu was regarded as one of the strongest monsters by Gyoro Gyoro. Even Orochi respected him. Gyoro Gyoro added that if multiple heroes team up they might cause a broken limb to Gouketsu. His casual punch blew a portion of the stadium and part of the city with it. I doubt Gouketsu would fall as easily as Darkshine did against golden s.
its terrifing how strong coul darkshine be if he pushes his own umbral of death. just imagine a darkshine that no only will fisgth till his body collapses but one that its capable of getting even stronger than before
Gouketsu: Strength, Agility, IQ, BIQ, Combat, Skills, C/R speed, Endurance, Power, Range, AP, DC, Experience Darkshine: Speed, Durability=> (Could go either way to be honest) How is this even a debate, Gouketsu absolutely demolish, Darkshine is overrated as hell🤣
gouketsu considered to be a strong martial art. in the fight with suiryuu and monster bakuzan, he don't show any technique, even a normal punch made monster bakuzan who is considered low lvl dragon scared. since martial art have ultimate technique, I think he can injured dark shine, but their battle would be high diff win for gouketsu
It’s stated that only some of the strongest S class were needed to take down gouketsu meaning he should be stronger than darkshine + off of feats and statements he should be at least somewhat relative to orochi while orochi beat the shit out of garou while garou beat darkshine (I know it was after getting stronger but orochi was playing around with him)
Garou outmaneuvered Darkshine with martial arts since he's a lot smaller and can slip away and redirect strikes. Gouketsu is so big that he has no such 'subtlty' in his moves, so if he isn't as fast as that version of Garou, Darkshine can just break his leg or something the second Gouketsu tries to hit him. That's an even trickier question since Genos partially compared his speed to Awakened Cockroach, or even faster, and Gouketsu again playing with Bakuzan, who's both a Dragon and a martial artist. If you say he's about as fast as monsterized Hellfire and Gale when he's serious, he *might* pull it off, but that'd also put the comparison of Hellfire and Gale to Garou which is another can of worms. All this is just for mentally crushing Darkshine, there's still the question of if Gouketsu can actually hurt him. Personally I think Gouketsu is just a better overall combatant but it's just a weird matchup.
Wasn’t it implied DarkShine would lose to half, maybe even most of the Cadre? And wasn’t Gogetsu implied to be a higher up of the Cadre only really beaten by Cadre that hid their real power like Golden S or that didn’t exist like the Fuhr Ugly Gums fusion? Those make me think Dark Shine loses in this match up and also makes me wonder if Gogetsu fought Golden S how much of a fight would he put up.
Does Darkshine power comes from "Crowd cheering" also? Which grant him power to take down enemy. He was lacking motivation to fight because garou is scaring him only. Almost awakened Garou didn't even scratch Darkshine skin.
Goketsu was regarded as a high level cadre by Orochi and Guyro Guyro. Plus Genos thought he was stronger than Saitama (even after withnessing the Death punch). Its obviosly crazy, but Genos never felt such dread with Even Elder Centepede or other cadres. I'll give this to Goketsu.
Genos tends to overrate alot, ofc not with saitama, but when he gets overwhelmed in general he THINKS of saitama overwhelming strenght correlating it to the enemy, and as we know saitama blitzed gouketsu so is already wrong on his own, so i think the win goes to darkshine and mid diff too, even tho gouketsu was scaled as the second strongest monster golden sperm is already stronger than that counting that is a half of platinum sperm, and platinum sperm was on par with awakened garou, so is already a crazy feat, and we know that awakened garou speed blitzes all the monsters except elder centipede (for me, speed blitzed orochi too, since WEAKENED garou was actually able to deflect most of orochi attacks, so the only reason he doesn’t speed blitzes elder centipede is for his durability) so darkshine wins easily imo
ive heard you say multiple times that genos beat hydrated deep sea king but i don understand. did he do that in the manga? from the anime standpoint genos faught, caught off guard and ingured hydrated deep sea king but later lost to hijm via a bit of trickery even though he may not have needed to use it. genos was a straight skeleton and lost to deep sea before muman and saitama showed up.
It was in the audiobooks , which is canon , happened after genos beat G4 , participated in a simulated program , where he can fight against opponenets he fought against before , One shotted Mosquito girl , two shotted Hydrated deep sea king , one shotted again by Carnage Kabuto th-cam.com/video/cNeAT3sahkU/w-d-xo.html Check it out here
The weakness of dk is superspeed if he cant hit and still bully he out of confidence her self ...and gugeyso have that ...remember gugetso is the secund of the strongest of monster association
Idk man darkshine never took damage from garou he only got demoralized. And he probably took so long on kabuto because his cocky ramp up fighting style not wanting to go 100% strength right away. I could definitly be underestimating goketsu but i think sleeping garou would body him and alone much less dark shine
@@breakingbread9313 wake him up maybe one shot him? Definitly not idk where your getting this from gouketsu would smash most s class i can agree but he definitly is not oneshotting garou
@@makoshark40 The sleeping Garou that destroyed Puri Puri prior to fighting Darkshine? Yeah him and Gouketsu are in different frontiers of power. If Darkshines serious tackle shattered his ribcage,the punch Gouketsu used to blow out the stadium wall would decimate his body. He litterly wouldn't survive it.
@@breakingbread9313 garou healed from it very quickly and he also got tackled trough like 50 walls that ammount to stadium walls that are like 5 feet thick of solid concrete/rock with rock being stronger then concrete. The level of distruction from dark shine was far above gouketsu for what it took to break his ribs. Not saying gouketsu cant beat the shit out of garou but he isnt one shotting him and garous adaptibiliy would make him surpass him quickly
@@makoshark40 He got tackled through a bunch of walls but there is obviously a lot of space between each wall. He isn't destroying a solid structure. Regardless if you look at the size and volume of stadium wall Gouketsu destroyed it's *far larger* what's more is that he did that by simply *extending his arm* he didn't even contact anything solid. That is *orders of magnitudes* more impressive than Darkshines tackle. No amount of plot armor is saving Garou here. He can't adapt if he's dead.
Goketsu is overrated Carnage kabuto is underrated . Genos have never fought carnage mode of kabuto , Kabuto was afraid to fight saitama . But after going carnage mode he got some guts . Its because he that going carnage mode will provide him enough strength.
Genos had enough data on Carnage Kabuto to run a life like simulation with him and saw Darkshine beat him convincingly and still thought he was an infinitesimal fraction of what was needed to defeat Gouketsu
meteoric burst boros and monster garou can go either way but usually in favor of boros, speed wise garou comes out on top being 200x mftl, since i havent seen that much speed scaling from boros but being able to vaporize alien metal with his speed is pretty insane, boros takes raw striking power, blasting saitama to the moon at light speed and a hit like that would obliterate garou in any form besides cosmic. garou being the martial artist he is and having speed could dodge boros' attackes even if he was to land a critical blow it wouldnt do much to boros being that hes recovered from consecutive normal punches and ive heard some ppl even argue that if boros wasnt using star roaring cannon he couldve survived a serious punch too but thats not really creditable, boros could win by using star roaring cannon since garou hasnt shown in monster form hes able to tank planetary attackes (some scale roaring cannon to star level) but i go with planetary as stated while using the move. Either garou outlasts boros via boros losing his life force (stamina) and destroys him, or boros wins via star roaring cannon or managing a critical blow to garou. cosmic garou blitz and one taps meteoric burst form boros
@@iirava2890 To me, CSRC is star level. Because, in the databook, which was written by One, stated so. Some people say that it is surface level in the manga and planet level in the anime. However, it does not mean that CSRC does not have enough power to destroy a star. Suppose I have enough power to destroy your house, If I said that I am going to destroy your room with my all power, would it mean that I cannot destroy your entire house? No, of course. Boros just said something that he can do. Databook: To counter Boros's ultimate "Collapsing *Star* Roaring Cannon," which is formidable enough to destroy a *Star* Saitama resorts to his "Serious Punch" ... As you can see here, given the name of it, translating the part where it tells the power of it as star is the most convenient way.
@@sametbalc1812 im aware at which CSRC scales too, i just leave it in the middle at planetary (guarenteed) but if i had to i always could argue star level, i dont appose it since it is a statment directly from the creator but sometimes ppl dont like statments over feats especially if the statment isnt proven. regardless, to the comment your replying from, i did say "garou hasnt shown to tank planetary attacks" in his monster form refering if he could then its possible he could survive CSRC (possibly) since it is a low ball planet-star level move, either or which u decide still, garou isnt tanking CSRC in monster from lol
Yeah no... your over evaluating this... Genos might say something like that but he says alot of stupid things. All kinds of characters make enemies seem so much more powerful than they really are then they get their ass kicked easily. So I think your way over thinking this verbal comparison VERY ROUGH GUESSES that other characters make.
@@zackblockbuster Genos bases his perception of Saitama on what he's seen him do. That being said he doesn't even know his full potential. If he believed Gouketsu was that strong it would just scale Gouketsu to his perception of Saitama.
@@breakingbread9313 Which is why genos has utterly shit estimations. He KNOWS saitama rocked boros's shit and took down the ship that all the other S class were struggling to do. He thought gouketsu was even close to saitama, his estimations were shit
@@zackblockbuster He didn't know anything about Boros other than Saitama was kind of excited about him. The ship is valid argument. But I wouldn't say Gouketsu scales above the ship though you could make a case for him being above the Tatsumaki at the time. Genos saw her redirect the shells from the ship and thought she wasn't going to be enough to face Gouketsu alone.
the fight wouldnt be close not because goketsu is much stronger - because its a bad matchup. i would give darkshine the benefit of doubt, that he learned and improved his mental abilities. but it would still be a stalemate because - goketsu cant beat darkshine and darkshine cant land a hit. there is a reason why bangs is number 3. being a martial arts master/ expert means a lot in opm. plus yeah, genos is creditless. goketsu is just radically stronger than genos that he thinks his strength is on paar with saitama. this is extremely funny because goketsu dies offscreen.
Kaido should be a Dragon Level Monster indeed , he would scale to top tier Dragon level monsters Like the Cadre , but i don't see him winning against Above Cadre level Monsters , Like Platinum S , but this requires more research to give a definitive answer , since i would call myself a one punch man scaler , but when it comes to one piece , i do scale it from time to time but not as much effort as One punch Man , planning to do Matchup like these in the channel in the future , so make sure to tune it , thanks
@@YacineScales most definitely deserve a subscribe and I agree too as I also feel Kaido does scale to the top tier more specific dragon level Monster also I would want to mention that I am a casual watcher of one piece did not seen all the episode and manga chapters, although I do see it there and then but base on what I have seen I would scale him to the like of superalloy dark shine if he had more will power or muman Rider willpower for example as I get a good feel although I do see a case where he could scale to the like of golden sperm that alone would probably be a good vs matchup maybe in a future video but like I said I base all that on what have I seen from one piece as I did not see the entirely of One Piece still would like to hear your in-depth analysis video on where you would scale Kaido if he was within the one punch man verse and who he could probably defeat
@@DefNotHacks Stats for Kaido (I'm not a full-on diehard One Piece fan, just know about it from shorts and TH-cam): Strength: Monstrous to be simple with you, very high natural strength from his Oni lineage and is further boosted by his Mythical Zoan DF (Devil Fruit) Speed: Very, very fast as a (keep in mind) _drunken, non-serious_ Kaido speedblitzed and fodderized a post-WCI Luffy so hard to the point he rendered his FS (Future Sight, or Advanced Observation (ACoO)) useless, and keep in mind this was an enraged post-WCI Luffy who was using G4 in tandem with the same FS that got rendered useless, the same Luffy who we can conclude was relative to Katakuri (A YC (Yonko Commander) of the Big Mom Pirates) Durability: Possesses the title of the "World's Strongest Creature" and truly lives up to it, seeing as he already has very good natural stats from his Oni lineage, further boosted by his Mythical Zoan DF. Would proceed to clash with the Worst Generation Pirates at their full power, tanking a Gamma Knife from Law, walking off Kid's attempts to crush him with his magnet DF, would also tank a full power Nine-Sword-Style:Ashura from Zoro, would tank a Tougen Totsuka from a full power, enraged Oden who was intending to kill him 20 years prior, and in the present would later on clash with Luffy three times, once with him in his Full Form tanking a Gomu-Gomu Gatling from a post-Udon Luffy who imbued ACoA (Advanced Armament) into the attack in his G4:Boundman state which further enhances his power, twice when Luffy had finally attained ACoC (Advanced Conqueror's) via Crude Conqueror's Coating, and a final time from a Luffy who had awakened G5 (Gear 5), and this Luffy would need to use _EVERYTHING_ in his arsenal, including the ACoC, ACoA, G5 expansion and G4 compression into a mega attack called the Bajrang Gun to finally put him down for (not even likely) good Endurance: Insanely high, took on a full attack from some of the 9 Scabbards who were attempting to reopen his wound inflicted upon him by Oden, all the above feats for durability, and even full on durability negation attacks (Gamma Knife from Law and that ACoA from post-Udon G4 Luffy who was using his Gomu-Gomu gatling as ACoA has durability negation properties) Stamina: Insanely high too, dealt with the 9 Scabbards, the Worst Generation Pirates including Luffy and finally his child Yamato who was also at their full power using their own Mythical Zoan DF along with ACoC, all while holding up Onigashima with his Flame Clouds (a feat Momonosuke could not replicate despite him possessing the near exact same fruit as Kaido) Abilities: Possesses all the 3 Haki types, including FS (ACoO), ACoC and ACoC, along with a monstrously over powered Mythical Zoan DF, Fish-Fish Fruit, Model: Azure Dragon which enhances his physical stats by a huge amount, with three forms for his DF, Human, Hybrid and Full Form with his Hybrid Form being the strongest form there is Add in the fact that the One Piece world is larger than our own Earth, it's likely that if scaled with the OP world calcs (not the calcs where the OP world is supposedly as large as our sun), he should be around Multi-Continental to Moon level which means he would be an Above-Dragon threat but idk man im not good with scaling:skull:
@@chingmuankim4927 but... but you only gave me one AP feat... not even scaled him properly.... my guy you said "oh he's stronger than this guy, faster than this guy, and tough enough to get punched by this guy." that's not scaling him, that's scaling him above another person, not actually scaling him. also shorts on youtube are not a source of scaling info, they are very unreliable (i've seen people scaling makima above garou, i've seen people scaling gojo over goku, or even vegeta over featherine, they're a very bad source of information). assuming your information is right, then kaido would be around mid dragon, except in terms of speed, he would get one tapped by platinum s, so he's not quite high dragon yet. (golden s was able to one shot darkshine, who is the most durable hero, including tatsumaki, who casually deflected an attack that split the earth, which was multi-continental to moon level) and platinum s is much stronger than golden s, so he would be able to easily take down kaido. i also think that darkshine vs kaido would be closer, but kaido would still lose due to the speed gap, seeing as darkshine is at least somewhat relevant to flashy flash, who blitzed two ftl people at the same time, as well as competing and overpowering and outmatching spiral garou, who is several times the speed/strength/durability of human garou, who even when exhausted, poisoned, sick, injured, and hadn't slept for several days, and literally had a hole through his calf, was still completely outpacing a g4 genos (pre-g4 genos was casually dodging lasers and then on top of that received his second biggest upgrade of the series, which puts him somewhere around 3-4 times ftl) with puts human garou at around 5x ftl, and spiral garou at at least 10x ftl, but even up to 20x ftl. and he was being outpaced by darkshine, before his transformation into monster garou. i'd say that (if your information is correct, and i'll assume it is, since i don't know much about OP) that kaido would be mid dragon, but would still lose high diff to darkshine.
gouketsu can leave shockwaves in the sky and can cause tremors across the city. that's like the higher end of the dragon level scale in OPM. we haven't seen anything from darkshine like this.
I don't get this one, we know for a fact that gouketsu is DEFINITELY not as strong as saitama and that was genos vastly overestimating him, that's just fact thenw hy is this a debate. This is more of a what if gouketsu was actually as strong as saitama scenario then a real debate.
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Title “why it isn’t close”
First line: “alright this is a tricky one”
If you go by webcomic feats, darkshine was able to handle multiple hits from awakened garou
Said that towards the end , by i dont crossover between Manga and Webcomics , alot has changed .
Awakened Garou in the WC was still massively holding back to mess with the heroes, if he was going all out he would have smashed Tatsumaki's head in like he did with Sweet Mask
webcomics never had a awakened garou, only monster garou
To be fair pre cosmic garou in the manga is stronger then webcomic garou
bro did not watch the full vid
If Darkshine's strength is above Kabuto's, Darkshine should be relative to Gouketsu in terms of power, but you have to remember that even Darkshine cant harm himself, he's the total opposite of a glass cannon, while Gouketsu does have superior martial arts, I dont think he could do much substantial damage to Darkshine.
Gouketsu should win, but it would not be that easy
He's a titanium sponge
@@4nnd711If the Mf hasnt sustained fatal or serious injuries throughout an entire arc apart from acid and his face getting dislocated, how do you expect someone weaker than golden sperm to defeat darkshine? And golden sperm is considered to be equal in strength with Orochi.
@@MrWeird-mu5ul Golden S is not equal to Orochi. That's webcomic-only.
darkshine definitely would win, because of his durability but it won't be a easy win for him, that's for sure
Would give him a confidence boost though
Nah lol darkshine and uglyfure are basically equal in strength and gouketsu would clap uglyfure
@@rexcelent8560 Fuhrer ugly is made of acid, so durability doesn’t matter there, gouketsu wouldn’t be able to take the acid either.. He can strike fuhrer ugly with wind pressure though, that’s the only thing he can do darkshine will struggle to do
@@effortless4588 im talking about ugly before he got eaten by gums
Gokuetsu ranks higher than ugly and that's facts
@@rexcelent8560 Oh well darkshine had confidence problems he took no damage from fuhrer ugly that didn’t have acid
Darkshine is just a whole heck of a lot stronger. He doesn't have the martial skills of Gouketsu, but... Gouketsu could hit him all night long and Darkshine would sustain next to no damage. Eventually Darkshine would use offensive techniques so strong that, if landed, would simply pull off the win.
i think it was stated that darkshine was pinnacle of physical hand to hand combat.
@@justsomeone7883 which he is
I just really want to see him get some confidence and go HAM, Im confident that he would have King levels of reputation might be the new "Strongest man" title holder, because he is. Excluding saitama of course
@@marvertjaysonneyra457 nah.... King beats him still
@@justsomeone7883no since he's not trained in any martial arts. He was stated to be pinnacle of muscles & human strength
I don't remember the fight in the manga that well, but if it's anything like the one in the webcomic, Goketsu doesn't have a way to win.
Even the Garou that faced Darkshine barely grazed him. The only reason Darkshine lost is because of his weak mental state..He got terrified by Garou and simply quit..
That's how i remember it...
Webcomics Darkshine have better feats and would put him above his manga counterpart , However , when i scale characters i don't do crossovers since many things has changed , characters that got weaker and others that got stronger , and as i've said in the Video , if we don't take genos's statement to be valid , the only way i see Darkshine loosing is his Mental State
@@YacineScales I wrote the comment before waching the video.XD
What TH are you talking about? Garou's burst of growth was so fast his punch managed to match Darkshine's. And there's even a panel of Darkshine coughing blood after tanking Garou's hit right in the abdomen
@@tienluong9648nope it was spit & it was shown that none of garou's attacks actually hurt darkshine they just showed that he was too fast & evasive for him to land any form of attack on him after he evolved
@@Beastly_Genius if someone is hit u hard enough to make u spit then u did feel that u took some type of damage. he wouldnt voluntarily spit, which means garou had enough force to make darkshines body actually have a reaction to his hit. Yes he may not have been able to really break skin or injury him badly, but if someone keeps hitting u with enough for darkshine to do that, then it will build up and eventually become severe. imo atleast, he hasnt shown any inhuman durability abilities like not being able to handle acid on his skin, so i feel like internal damage can still build up if enough force is there to start a reaction.
Darkshine has top durability in the series, I would say only behind Platinum S, the two biggest centipedes, Cosmic Garou and Boros (maybe including Rover but that's debatable), but we saw Gouketsu with the touch of a fist blowing a big chunk of the stadium away and he stated he was a High Dragon level threat, he defeated a high Demon level Genos, almost dragon level, in OPM fashion, and had basically the same level of martial art dexterity as Garou at the beginning of the arc, and speed similar to Sonic at 60% or so. However, if Darkshine defeated Kabuto he's got great punching power too, but it would be an awful matchup because he's pretty slow and be hard to land even a single punch. They're pretty even, but I would say Darkshine would win if he manages to resist and survive long enough until Gouketsu tires up, kind of what Zombieman does.
Darkshine isnt slow he was still able to hit garou and garou is faster than gouketsu
@@BKBK-yo1zz you've got a point there but keep in mind that that was a barely monsterized Garou and he was half-fainted too, and Garou and Suiryu were pretty similar in stats when Garou was still human, and Gouketsu beat the shit out of Suiryu and he was WAAAAAY faster than Suiryu, he appeared behind his back unnoticed despite his size, that's an insane speed. Darkshine couldn't have rivaled that speed at all.
@@winterfellwhall9934there's no statement that Siriu has the same stats or speed as human garou. I remember a scene where garou battled siryu on a game but garou just frost because he is too fast.. garou is much faster even in human form
@@KaJe11 suiryu beat a monsterized choze, choze as a human was implied that he would beat lightning max pretty easily, putting him comfortably in high A-Class. Choze then became monsterized, giving him a power boost to which we can estimate was around high demon level, imo probably top 5 strongest demons, especially with how other martial artistis grew when monsterized like bakuzan becoming a dragon, despite being a low dragon lol. Human garou depending when u grab him is very much around this level, slightly higher most likely. So it isnt crazy to say that gouketsus speed is quite outrageous for his size. IMO gouketsu wins if he can damage darkshine enough to scare him before tiring out, but he definitely has speed over darkshine atleast, and most likely strength. Darkshines durability is just crazy though
I feel like metal bat is one of the most underated S class heroes, like i think most people forget he is the same age as garou if not younger. I want to see what would happen if Metal Bat faced of against someone like Genos.
He is younger than garou, two years younger
@@spidey9051 Garou is 18
Metal bat is 17
@@oreckless4550 wait, yeah I thought garou was 19, now I remember genos was 10, whereas garou and bad (metal bat) were 18 and 17 respectively.
Genos gets broken into parts.
Murata said that Darkshine would kill Deep Sea King with a "light tap" and that Garou fighting him after Orochi "makes sense." Darkshine destroys.
Think of a light tap like how he defeated bug god it was causal punch but his muscles had killing intent behind them,Orochi definitely wasn't trying to kill Garou at the time
@@breakingbread9313 Bug God was smacking Garou around. Bug God then proceeded to enter a new form, becoming significantly stronger, and Darkshine onetapped him with essentially no power. The evolution that Garou went through during his fight with Orochi was monumentous. Sleeping Garou post-Orochi oneshot Bristle Armour Puri-Puri Prisoner, but couldn't even scratch Darkshine. Garou had to further evolve to scare Darkshine into mentally breaking, yet he still couldn't break through is durability.
@@Divinemakyr Gouketsu one shots
@@breakingbread9313 bruh
@@Divinemakyr He just does.
Gouketsu>EC>Bang>≈monster Garou>Golden sperm>>>Darkshine
I think Gouketsu vs Darkshine would be a close fight. I think it's kinda ridiculous to think that Gouketsu could one shot Carnage Kabuto. Genos never even got to fight Kabuto's Ashura form. In my opinion, I think fifteen minutes is actually decently long for a fight in OPM since all the characters move so fast.
Looking back at it now, I really wish they didn't kill Gouketsu off. Him and Groribas had potential. I wonder; who would win in a fight between Groribas and Vomited Fuhrer Ugly? 🤔
Fr it's such a shame he got killed off by caped baldy he could have probably done so much more, one problem with opm is that when caped baldy fights any character it's hard to scale them because the fight just ends with one punch
How did you assume hes capable of one shotting kabuto?
I like how you compare VFU to Groribas as if it is even fair, you are comparing someone whos literally featless to a monster with feats, Groribas is considered to be the strongest general in the databook, even stronger than the guy who could move rocks at lightspeed by removing friction, so we'd assume he is a high dragon or something.
@@MrWeird-mu5ulnormal Gouketsu punch > all feats Kabuto. Genos fought against Kabuto and saw him fight with Saitama, but after receiving a simple blow from Goketsu, he put him above all the monsters he saw
@@step361-g8l And you trust Genos?
Psyrochi is strong but considering the orignal state Orochi was in before fusing it might’ve been weaker than the original
Possible, but when Orochi briefly takes control of the fusion he states he's going to get Saitama back for what he did to him, implying he thinks he could also beat Orochi with the fusion in one punch
I alsonam confused by why so many people take for granted that psychorochi is stronger than original orochi. Sure, it's a fusion, but it's a fusion with a seriously weakened remnant of the original. The OG dragon monster was blitzing awakened cockroach from halfway across a cave and instantly mastered flowing water, crushed rock.
@@alecbader7433 To be fair Orochi briefly takes control and swears he'll kill Saitama with this.
He could just be wrong but if he didn't have higher power now then he'd just be an idiot
I mean if you compare the original's strongest attack "Gaia Cannon" which uses inner core magma (hot as the sun) to hit Saitama
to the fusion's strongest attack, a beam capable of slicing through the entire planet in half....
@@notlightbeam4889 There's no need for lying here. Nobody is capable of planet busting beyond the god tiers of Saitama, Cosmic Garou, Boris and likely Blast though he's more of a technique guy.
Interesting analysis. My take is it ends in a stalemate, Darkshine wouldn’t take any damage but offensively he doesn’t really seem to have enough firepower to take down Gouketsu.
Thats what I thought but seeing that garou not really even damaging him caused a mental breakdown I wonder what goukestu's overwhelming strength and speed would do to his mental stability. Bakuzan a dragon level being reevaluated his entire life choices after witnessing a punch from him
Yeah and sadly Goketsu dont even evolve. So its stgnant fight
@@DefinitelyChael we don’t even know that either due to lack of feats. He was terrified Orochi though, I suppose Orochi could be used as a comparison
@@markrmznyc__ yeah we dont but we could assume that most enemies dont gets stronger when the fight goes on, because only 2 peeps has those. Well I guess though monsters can evolve, so you could be true.
i wish we got to see more of goketsu its ashame he got off screened by saitama i badly wanted to see how powerful goketsu really was...
If only Darkshine have willpower equal to Mumen's...
Gouketsu vs Superalloy Darkshine?
I've never thought of something like this...
To be honest, I don't know who would win, but sounds interesting.
We don't know how strong darkshine is , i think goketsu would win because of his speed and strength
I'd give this to Gouketsu...He is underrated AF
Gouketsu scales above elder cintapid with feats and elder cintapid can only be defeated by blast king tatsumaki and metal knight darkshine is not one of them and gouketsu scales above elder cintapid so mid diff win for gouketsu
@@A.Q7525 it's an impression feat but not gouketsu level
He's both underrated and overrated, because we do not know enough about his power level. Most of what we can analyze is true speculation
@@ruanquang3367 statments
@@A.Q752515 min fight isnt a little difficulty
We never got to see the depth of Gouketsu cause he ran into Saitama
Saitama stated he didn't know if Gouketsu was strong because to him he was as weak as any other monster he fought. Due to this we can pretty conclusively discount Genos' claims, leaving a fairly even matchup with the edge going to Gouketsu
I think Darkshine would win…. It would be a good fight tho. But Darkshine weakness is his mind. As Golden S even said he’s being a coward after receiving minimum damage. He fought Garou and forced him to evolve, delt the major blow PyschoOrochi, fought ENW, Vomitted Fuhrer Ugly, Black S and Golden S and after all that his mind was broken not his body. With that being said I don’t think Gouketsu would evolve like Garou did to save him. The damage he receives from Darkshine would actually effect him and be permanent…. I hope Darkshine makes a comeback like Puri did. Using Golden S as motivation to become bulkier and shinier… just like he worked hard and went from a scrawny kid to one of the physically strongest S class heroes, this time he’ll work on his mental fortitude. Having the mindset to protect instead of seeking a thrill. It would be awesome to see him make a comeback.
The biggest problem with Darkshine is if he doesn't overwhelm his opponent his extremely fragile ego will make him lose.
Then how did he beat Kabuto who is basically assumed to be the same level as Gouketsu?
@@MrWeird-mu5ul because it was a simulation and darkshine knew that he wouldn't actually take real damage or die
while against garou and gs he got scared because he would then be at the mercy of his opponent
@@syenous2454 You gotta reread it buddy, Metal bat literally got damaged by carnage kabuto and his injuries were so severe that they refuse to let metal bat continue so what you're saying is total bullcrap.
@@syenous2454 He took barely any damage apart from acid, the only reason he got knocked out because Golden sperm shattered his confidence and refused to get up, he was literally burnt by acid, what did you expect? Not saying he would win against golden sperm, i am only saying he wouldve not let himself get knocked out and could have put up a decent fight before still getting defeated if he didnt have such a very low self esteem.
@@syenous2454 It took 15 minutes for darkshine at full power to defear carnage kabuto and he didnt lose his self esteem, and darkshine literally wanted more. The only reason he lost against garou is because of superior martial arts and ofc plot armor which allowed him to overcome darkshine and curbstomp him, but he did no damage to his skin apart from a small nosebleed, yall would seriously downplay someone like darkshine who proved himself through feats despite his low self esteem, meanwhile overrate a featless monster who only fought weakass martial artists, the weakest s class martial, the weakest dragon level threat ever and saitama.
Can you do like Boros vs Tatsumaki or Platinum S vs Orochi?
Prob boros and plat s
boros and Plat S
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You also have to remember that when Genos encountered Gouketsu, he was heavily injured from his previous fights, and likely made some of his statements out of fear and despiration. When you're hopeless, you can make some pretty exaggerated statements.
Genos has never made statements out of fear. They're always out of frustration because he wasn't strong enough. They also come from accurate readings of his opponents power because Genos can literally read energy signatures.
@@pipethegadoll1376 No, Genos can't read energy signatures. Boros for example could, hence why he sensed Saitama's power. If Genos could actually read the power/energy levels of Guoketsu, he wouldn't have said something so hilariously false like: all the S class heroes would have to team up WITH Saitama to beat him
Genos in truth has greatly overestimated Guoketsu's strength, and did the opposite for the S class heroes too, which kind of proves his calculations are by far not immune to error
@tamas9554 Genos literally says he can detect life signatures and energy readings multiple times lol.
@@pipethegadoll1376 Then whats the explanation for this extreme miscalculation? You are ignoring the main point
BASE Kabuto killed genos multiple times not CARNAGE Kabuto, so this comparison doesnt work... Also GK would have to be above spiral garou to beat DS . And there is no way that spiral garou is losing to GK
When you say there is no Way GK is losing to spiral Garou you have to provide evidence , i tried to tackle all angles when it comes to this fight with the less info provided , as for BASE kabuto , The same thing could be said about GK , not trying and easily blitzed Genos , but when he got blitzed 55 times by Kabuto , he has never stated things like ''All S Class heroes should engage with him in order to win against him'' and based on that i put GK > CK , but all of these are speculations with no feats , GK could be stronger than All , and could be weaker than All
@@YacineScales ik that GK would beat CK and that BOTH of them held back against genos . but DS also beat CK. and Spiral garou > DS and HAS to have better technique than GK for obvious reasons.
can you stop using acronyms i can't follow you lol
@@shred0164 it's a common OPM community thing where they turn anything they can into acronyms
@@YacineScales One thing to consider is that Darkshine only gave up against Garou after witnessing his busted growth mechanic; Garou had closed the massive gap in strength and actually surpassed him in that short battle. Also Garou has the insane ability to just resist death, so unless Goketsu has equal or similar mechanics paired with a large gap in strength then he gets whittled down by Darkshine. Don't forget that Darkshine was tanking hits from water stream and whirlwind combined with only minimal damage. Those are the pinnacle of martial arts techniques as we know in the One Punch universe.
Also Genos has no reason to suggest the entirety of the S class taking on Kabuto because it's just a simulation. There were no stakes, Genos was only interested in advancing his power.
genos is too unreliable imo, goketsu didn't match a feat of saitama's to warrant getting compared to him. genos just doesn't know where he falls amomgst the heros. genos probably thinks they are equal to him.
I think Darkshine takes this mid to high diff. I just think we have showcasings for darkshine much more consistent in him being powerful enough and more importantly, durable enough to take it with relatively okay difficulty.
Gouketsu as a martial artist I don't think was ever eluded to being anywhere near the level of Bang or Garou. So I don't believe that plays a huge role in this match up. Darkshine has feats of dealing with martial arts, it's just that Garou was so ferocious and such a genius of combat, that he overwhelmed him, not to mention Darkshine simply quit, not exactly defeated in a normal sense. Things like that aren't asumed for 1v1 matchups, as giving up is never a characteristic that is attributed to a bloodlusted individual.
Now, Darkshine has feats of straight up TANKING ENW's highpressure beams. Those were basically cutting through everyone and everything else, with the exceptions of obviously characters like awakened Garou. These were highly concentrated beams meant for cutting through stuff performed by a high dragon cadre. Not only that, but Darkshine ONE SHOT Evil Natural Water. Unless we're going to say Gouketsu somehow does the same thing, I think Darkshine takes strength easy money. His strength feats just don't align with the type of ability to one shot another cadre like that, given that Suryuu even took several blows, though not at 100% power. In comparison though, Deep sea king should have relative durability to Suryuu and Darkshine gently touches the DSK and disintegrates him. Gouketsu put some power into his shots and Suryuu absorbed several shots.
Gouketsu has no tangible durability feats as Suiryuu would do nothing to darkshine all the same, but a single normal punch from Saitama obliterated him the same way it did to Bakuzan. NOW, Overgrown Rover actually took one of Saitama's normal punches with no visible damage. So unless we're assuming Overgrown Rover's durability is entire levels above that of Darkshine's this would easily go to Darkshine as well.
Which we can actually somewhat give an estimation to thankfully. So, no damage was taken from post Bug God Garou by Rover, but he was able to move him around and give him something that he could feel. Although this is post Bug God Garou, we cannot assume he's much more powerful than Bug God at this point, since not only did he get the shit broken off him by Bug God just previously, Bug God also has another form more powerful than the one that Garou faced AND Garou couldn't even put a dent in Bug God in just his previous state. So it's safe to assume Garou might just be around the same level as Bug God or maybe a tiny bit stronger here.
Bug God got wrecked by Darkshine. To the point it's not even funny. Darkshine stood there and received no damage, then proceeded to one tap him into dust.
So it's a fair assumption I think, that Darkshine would be able to do much more damage to Overgrown Rover than what Garou could and at least the same durability as Rover, if not even more so.
Against Bang and Bomb, although they didn't outright defeat Rover, they schooled him and made him respect them to the point where Rover was willing to listen to their commands. Kinda similar to Saitama, except I think he was just straight up terrified of him lol.
Anyway, Bang actually "beat" Darkshine in a sparring match, however it's like when you win in a martial arts tournament based on points, not by inflicting damage upon someone. Darkshine was totally unschathed and able to continue when they called it a day.
Btw, this same Bang also has feats of damaging and keeping up with Pre awakened Garou, one that was close to the same level that went up against FF and Platinum S, and perhaps even more so as he didn't possess any mental restrictions, using a really dangerous and powerful technique against Bang.
Bang would've been holding back the same way against Garou as he did against Darkshine, maybe even more so. Although it was a composite feat and he wasn't holding back much, Bang also damaged Elder Centipede btw... Yet, He couldn't even scratch Darkshine. That's the crazy durability we're talking about. Also, any feat of "defeat" during the MA arc for Darkshine came from him giving up essentially. He only suffers a minimal amount of damage from Vomit FU, whose acid could straight up disintegrate dragon level monsters and people (from the council of swordsmen). Even Golden S remarks that it's disgraceful he gave up after receiving so little damage to his body.
With Darkshine's durability being so high end, him one shotting literal cadres that don't even have solid forms, him keeping up with people who he's kept up with, then looking at Gouketsu and how he went out, as well as the lack of anything impressive against someone genuinely really powerful, I'm gonna have to say Darkshine is the clear winner here.
I also have to believe Carnage mode Kabuto vs Gouketsu would be quite close. Like, Carnage mode is supposed to be a multiplier to his already insane base form, in which he was able to BREATH away Genos's incineration canon, that which wouldn't have received such a massive upgrade between G4 and start of series, as they were already really powerful to begin with.
And so, his Carnage mode is a lot stronger than his base, and that to me spells high dragon the likes of Gouketsu type of power. Not only that, there's a direct comparison we can make.
In the audio book, Genos fought against his previous opponents in a simulation. This is G4 Genos btw. He blitzed through Mosquito girl and the DSK. When it came to Kabuto, in base form, he got one shotted again.
Sound familiar? Yeah, Gouketsu did this. However, in Gouketsu's case it was an ambush attack, and Genos was already highly damaged in battle before that. It's implied Kabuto can do this to G4 Genos at any point and at any time, and that is only his base form. Therefore... Gouketsu would have an incredibly difficult time with him, and in my opinion, Carnage mode would probably end up winning that one. I know this is not a for sure way to scale them but, Kabuto still has the more impressive feats.
And so, we arrive at Kabuto vs Darkshine. Although it did take Darkshine 15 minutes to kill Kabuto, he did win the battle and he did that with still no damage to him what so ever. I'd consider that a low-mid diff.
So we have Kabuto, someone who should be more than competitive with Gouketsu, killed by Darkshine who didn't even take damage. The only reason Darkshine would maybe have a tiny bit of a harder time with Gouketsu would be due to his martial arts, which Kabuto doesn't have. But that's conjecture, Gouketsu might even be easier for him in reality.
So, based on feats and without stretching assumptions for light years on end, based on the characters presented to us as they are, I don't believe Gouketsu has much of a chance against Darkshine at all. See ya.
That's a long weird way to say Darkshine gets curbstomped
I can't believe I actually read that
I imagine darkshine just let kabuto punch him for 15 minutes and just one shotted him
We know that wasn't the case lol
Me encanta el detalle sobre el hecho de que Darkshine es la representacion de todos aquellos "Gym Bro's" que se hacen fuerte para aumentar su autoestima por alguna razon en particular. En este caso, el baso su autoestima completamente en su fisico, por lo que es comprensible que despues de llegar hasta ese nivel de fuerza el hecho de enfrentarse a alguien que lo supere en todos los aspectos debio de ser un brutal golpe de realidad para el.
Bros face is immaculate
0:25 super allow darkshine XD
I think goketsu is strongest based in his defense. Saitama has the same amount the strength when he use his first punch. The sane who killed deep sea. And the giant. Now goketsu was one shoted. But the diference is how. For example most of demon and dragons levels just explode gokestu was tear apart. So even if seems werid that proves his durabilty. His head just go away but was ( mostly) intact beside most of the monster. This proves goketsu durability. Remember the same punch who literally make kaubuto explode. Only blow his head
The definition of Clash of Titans
Forgot to mention the gouketsu has no wuhaneses, he is a very well rounded character
darkshine could be strong but gouketsu was on another level, in fact i bet that if gouketsu called darkshine a BITCH he would win by that
Gouketsu is literally stronger than Golden S, Orochi implied that Elder Centipede and Gouketsu are equal (heck Gyoro Gyoro even consider Gouketsu stronger due to the fact that even a group of S class accordingly to her would only bring Gouketsu some broken bones and even Gouketsu even say that Gyoro Gyoro is underestimating him
You also forgot that Saitama killed Darkshine with One Punch (and even Genos compared Gouketsu to Saitama's power which is consistent when Genos said that Gouketsu is the strongest monster he ever faced so far)
Is Goeketsu actually stronger than Golden Sperm? I do think that both of them are VERY high dragons putting them being in the same league as Armored Boros because I think Armored Boros is also a Very high dragon. I think Golden Sperm is way more durable but in strength and attack potency idk in my opinion tho Golden S is stronger but I just really don't know that's just my opinion
@@jhoembisan9792 Golden S+Black S+Homeless Emperor+Evil Natural Water consider themselves Elder Centipede level (they are scared shitless when King came judging from the info he one shotted EC)
I already explained that it consistently portrayed that Gouketsu is Elder Centipede level or even above judging by Orochi's evaluation, Gyoro Gyoro and Genos' judgement. Golden S was never stated that he can fight multiple S Class, he also didn't kill Darkshine with One Punch unlike Saitama in VGS (And Genos compared Gouketsu's strength to Saitama despite seeing him one shotting a meteor and Carnage Kabuto) it's also consistent when Genos said that Gouketsu is the strongest monster he ever faced that time which proves that he can one shot Darkshine tier chatavters (Darkshine defeated Carnage Kabuto in VGS after 30 minutes in FULL Power)
Genos even commented that Saitama would NEED help from other S Class to SAFELY defeat Gouketsu which is backed up by Gyoro Gyoro
Boros being High Dragon is questionable since it's only durability, he should be Peak High Dragon when he unsealed himself since no one have supposed to witness his Meteoric Burst as they are not strong enough
@@gogo_zeppeli3759 Golden sperm is not gouketsu level. He one shotted darkshine Who Was around spiral garou level
Spiral garou>>Garou human
Garou human tanked blows from bang
Bang was able to break Elder centipedes armour
Golden s is not that weak
@@GotamaFusion Bang never broke Elder Centipede's armour. If you remembered, he was molting and what 2 Bangs(Bang and Bomb are equal) did was only help him molt.
That's all I'm gonna say since this one information immediately ruins your argument.
@@professionalidiot4987
This one information is wrong though.
EC molded to heal the damage he took. He wasn't conveniently molding whenever someone managed to deal some damage to him. I don't even know how you could've misread it that way in the first place.
Let's be clear
Genos compared Gougetsu punch to Saitama's death punch
Saitama Death Punch will kill Kabuto with one hit
Darkshine with his full power can defeat Kabuto with
mid difficulty
Gougetsu can defeat Kabuto with one hit
(No difficulty)
Gougetsu will defeat Darkshine with low difficulty🎉
Genos didn't think his strength was almost the same as Saitamas gouketsu only reminded him a little of Saitama it says that in the the images your showing I hate when people do this
Narrator sounds sleepy.
Doesn’t matter because monsters lose at the end 😂😂😂
I have watched all of your videos but this one was the only one I disagreed with. Gouketsu was regarded as one of the strongest monsters by Gyoro Gyoro. Even Orochi respected him. Gyoro Gyoro added that if multiple heroes team up they might cause a broken limb to Gouketsu. His casual punch blew a portion of the stadium and part of the city with it. I doubt Gouketsu would fall as easily as Darkshine did against golden s.
You have the right to
its terrifing how strong coul darkshine be if he pushes his own umbral of death. just imagine a darkshine that no only will fisgth till his body collapses but one that its capable of getting even stronger than before
Kof'99 Dear falling angel do be hittin good
5:39
How strong is Golden Ass?😂
For me personally I see Gouketsu as simply a hyper refined version of Carnage Kabuto all that strength and speed but with insane martial art skill
drink some water please
Well I would say goketsu because he is one of the best martial artist and he's buffed up.
Gouketsu: Strength, Agility, IQ, BIQ, Combat, Skills, C/R speed, Endurance, Power, Range, AP, DC, Experience
Darkshine: Speed, Durability=> (Could go either way to be honest)
How is this even a debate, Gouketsu absolutely demolish, Darkshine is overrated as hell🤣
Hii I was rewatching season 2 and started thinking abour garou vs goketsu when fang sayed that he is not weak
Your chanel is way to unknown. Thank you for making my day
Never thought tatsumaki could look any more bad ass
But her in garous blackbandages exists
gouketsu considered to be a strong martial art. in the fight with suiryuu and monster bakuzan, he don't show any technique, even a normal punch made monster bakuzan who is considered low lvl dragon scared. since martial art have ultimate technique, I think he can injured dark shine, but their battle would be high diff win for gouketsu
Darkshine has the full might of the Merchant's guild at his side though.
For me it's maybe a tie. Truth is that it's really hard to just rely on the data that we got. the only way is to make them actually fight.
It’s stated that only some of the strongest S class were needed to take down gouketsu meaning he should be stronger than darkshine + off of feats and statements he should be at least somewhat relative to orochi while orochi beat the shit out of garou while garou beat darkshine (I know it was after getting stronger but orochi was playing around with him)
But s class ranking goes like this.
Blast
Tatsumaki
Flashy flash
Bang
Darkshine
Atomic samurai (higher with sun blade)
You’re stupid Gouketsu said Orochi is stronger than him and he only ever fought Base Orochi
i feel like you need to cough
that morning voice bruh
but Genos never even got to fight Kabuto's Ashura form
bro sounds like he just got done smoking a 40 pack
I'm Asthmatic , when i talk alot i struggle to breath
Garou outmaneuvered Darkshine with martial arts since he's a lot smaller and can slip away and redirect strikes. Gouketsu is so big that he has no such 'subtlty' in his moves, so if he isn't as fast as that version of Garou, Darkshine can just break his leg or something the second Gouketsu tries to hit him. That's an even trickier question since Genos partially compared his speed to Awakened Cockroach, or even faster, and Gouketsu again playing with Bakuzan, who's both a Dragon and a martial artist. If you say he's about as fast as monsterized Hellfire and Gale when he's serious, he *might* pull it off, but that'd also put the comparison of Hellfire and Gale to Garou which is another can of worms.
All this is just for mentally crushing Darkshine, there's still the question of if Gouketsu can actually hurt him. Personally I think Gouketsu is just a better overall combatant but it's just a weird matchup.
Plz please do scaling of metal bat and fights with him
I would really love that
Issue is though, if darkshine feels like he’ll lose, he’ll give up. Goketsu prolly can’t kill him, hell just whale on him
Wasn’t it implied DarkShine would lose to half, maybe even most of the Cadre? And wasn’t Gogetsu implied to be a higher up of the Cadre only really beaten by Cadre that hid their real power like Golden S or that didn’t exist like the Fuhr Ugly Gums fusion? Those make me think Dark Shine loses in this match up and also makes me wonder if Gogetsu fought Golden S how much of a fight would he put up.
Dark shine uses his super Ultra Ultimate chicken bucket strike its over
DARKSHINE🔥🔥🔥
asking for 4th time: Goku Vs Saitama
So, it is close, in the end
Cheez darkshine is a total opposite of metal bat
Does Darkshine power comes from "Crowd cheering" also? Which grant him power to take down enemy. He was lacking motivation to fight because garou is scaring him only. Almost awakened Garou didn't even scratch Darkshine skin.
Can you do bang vs goketsu?
Goketsu was regarded as a high level cadre by Orochi and Guyro Guyro.
Plus Genos thought he was stronger than Saitama (even after withnessing the Death punch). Its obviosly crazy, but Genos never felt such dread with Even Elder Centepede or other cadres.
I'll give this to Goketsu.
Genos tends to overrate alot, ofc not with saitama, but when he gets overwhelmed in general he THINKS of saitama overwhelming strenght correlating it to the enemy, and as we know saitama blitzed gouketsu so is already wrong on his own, so i think the win goes to darkshine and mid diff too, even tho gouketsu was scaled as the second strongest monster golden sperm is already stronger than that counting that is a half of platinum sperm, and platinum sperm was on par with awakened garou, so is already a crazy feat, and we know that awakened garou speed blitzes all the monsters except elder centipede (for me, speed blitzed orochi too, since WEAKENED garou was actually able to deflect most of orochi attacks, so the only reason he doesn’t speed blitzes elder centipede is for his durability) so darkshine wins easily imo
Darkshine is the bloody man, by the way still waiting for an update is he out of commission with severe acid burns or not?
I still stick to what the Webcomic has as feats more than whatever the hell the manga was....
ive heard you say multiple times that genos beat hydrated deep sea king but i don understand. did he do that in the manga?
from the anime standpoint genos faught, caught off guard and ingured hydrated deep sea king but later lost to hijm via a bit of trickery even though he may not have needed to use it. genos was a straight skeleton and lost to deep sea before muman and saitama showed up.
It was in the audiobooks , which is canon , happened after genos beat G4 , participated in a simulated program , where he can fight against opponenets he fought against before , One shotted Mosquito girl , two shotted Hydrated deep sea king , one shotted again by Carnage Kabuto th-cam.com/video/cNeAT3sahkU/w-d-xo.html
Check it out here
The weakness of dk is superspeed if he cant hit and still bully he out of confidence her self ...and gugeyso have that ...remember gugetso is the secund of the strongest of monster association
That Garotsumaki is fcking awesome !! Where does it come from ? oO
Idk man darkshine never took damage from garou he only got demoralized. And he probably took so long on kabuto because his cocky ramp up fighting style not wanting to go 100% strength right away. I could definitly be underestimating goketsu but i think sleeping garou would body him and alone much less dark shine
Gouketsu would unironically one shot sleeping Garou
@@breakingbread9313 wake him up maybe one shot him? Definitly not idk where your getting this from gouketsu would smash most s class i can agree but he definitly is not oneshotting garou
@@makoshark40 The sleeping Garou that destroyed Puri Puri prior to fighting Darkshine? Yeah him and Gouketsu are in different frontiers of power. If Darkshines serious tackle shattered his ribcage,the punch Gouketsu used to blow out the stadium wall would decimate his body. He litterly wouldn't survive it.
@@breakingbread9313 garou healed from it very quickly and he also got tackled trough like 50 walls that ammount to stadium walls that are like 5 feet thick of solid concrete/rock with rock being stronger then concrete. The level of distruction from dark shine was far above gouketsu for what it took to break his ribs. Not saying gouketsu cant beat the shit out of garou but he isnt one shotting him and garous adaptibiliy would make him surpass him quickly
@@makoshark40 He got tackled through a bunch of walls but there is obviously a lot of space between each wall. He isn't destroying a solid structure. Regardless if you look at the size and volume of stadium wall Gouketsu destroyed it's *far larger* what's more is that he did that by simply *extending his arm* he didn't even contact anything solid. That is *orders of magnitudes* more impressive than Darkshines tackle. No amount of plot armor is saving Garou here. He can't adapt if he's dead.
Do flashy flash vs genos 🙏
I can't agree with you because Genos didn't know the full strength of other heros and more powerful monsters that he discovers in the next season
yo yacine , if allmight at strongest can defeat 10x deep seaking , then theres a that he can defeat darkshine!, but i doubt it
Goketsu is overrated
Carnage kabuto is underrated .
Genos have never fought carnage mode of kabuto ,
Kabuto was afraid to fight saitama . But after going carnage mode he got some guts . Its because he that going carnage mode will provide him enough strength.
Genos had enough data on Carnage Kabuto to run a life like simulation with him and saw Darkshine beat him convincingly and still thought he was an infinitesimal fraction of what was needed to defeat Gouketsu
@@breakingbread9313real
Bros just Oliva from Baki
Gouketsu would obliderate Darkshine
Did genos even face carnage mode carnage kabuto tho? If he didn't how would he know how strong kabuto really is ?
He fought CK in a simulation 54 times. Each time,genos got stomped. Best part,carnage was only in base. Not Carnage mode.
Can you make a video about Boros (%100) vs Full Monster Garou?
meteoric burst boros and monster garou can go either way but usually in favor of boros, speed wise garou comes out on top being 200x mftl, since i havent seen that much speed scaling from boros but being able to vaporize alien metal with his speed is pretty insane, boros takes raw striking power, blasting saitama to the moon at light speed and a hit like that would obliterate garou in any form besides cosmic. garou being the martial artist he is and having speed could dodge boros' attackes even if he was to land a critical blow it wouldnt do much to boros being that hes recovered from consecutive normal punches and ive heard some ppl even argue that if boros wasnt using star roaring cannon he couldve survived a serious punch too but thats not really creditable, boros could win by using star roaring cannon since garou hasnt shown in monster form hes able to tank planetary attackes (some scale roaring cannon to star level) but i go with planetary as stated while using the move.
Either garou outlasts boros via boros losing his life force (stamina) and destroys him, or boros wins via star roaring cannon or managing a critical blow to garou. cosmic garou blitz and one taps meteoric burst form boros
@@iirava2890 To me, CSRC is star level. Because, in the databook, which was written by One, stated so. Some people say that it is surface level in the manga and planet level in the anime. However, it does not mean that CSRC does not have enough power to destroy a star. Suppose I have enough power to destroy your house, If I said that I am going to destroy your room with my all power, would it mean that I cannot destroy your entire house? No, of course. Boros just said something that he can do.
Databook:
To counter Boros's ultimate "Collapsing *Star* Roaring Cannon," which is formidable enough to destroy a *Star* Saitama resorts to his "Serious Punch" ...
As you can see here, given the name of it, translating the part where it tells the power of it as star is the most convenient way.
@@sametbalc1812 im aware at which CSRC scales too, i just leave it in the middle at planetary (guarenteed) but if i had to i always could argue star level, i dont appose it since it is a statment directly from the creator but sometimes ppl dont like statments over feats especially if the statment isnt proven. regardless, to the comment your replying from, i did say "garou hasnt shown to tank planetary attacks" in his monster form refering if he could then its possible he could survive CSRC (possibly) since it is a low ball planet-star level move, either or which u decide still, garou isnt tanking CSRC in monster from lol
what happened towards the end? did you start dying or something?
Yeah no... your over evaluating this... Genos might say something like that but he says alot of stupid things. All kinds of characters make enemies seem so much more powerful than they really are then they get their ass kicked easily. So I think your way over thinking this verbal comparison VERY ROUGH GUESSES that other characters make.
Ima keep it real with you, genos estimations are pretty shit for being a cyborg. Bro has multiple times over and underestimated tons of characters
Like when
@@breakingbread9313 litterally any estimation of saitama
@@zackblockbuster Genos bases his perception of Saitama on what he's seen him do. That being said he doesn't even know his full potential. If he believed Gouketsu was that strong it would just scale Gouketsu to his perception of Saitama.
@@breakingbread9313 Which is why genos has utterly shit estimations. He KNOWS saitama rocked boros's shit and took down the ship that all the other S class were struggling to do. He thought gouketsu was even close to saitama, his estimations were shit
@@zackblockbuster He didn't know anything about Boros other than Saitama was kind of excited about him. The ship is valid argument. But I wouldn't say Gouketsu scales above the ship though you could make a case for him being above the Tatsumaki at the time. Genos saw her redirect the shells from the ship and thought she wasn't going to be enough to face Gouketsu alone.
Dark shine vs pickle
the fight wouldnt be close not because goketsu is much stronger - because its a bad matchup. i would give darkshine the benefit of doubt, that he learned and improved his mental abilities. but it would still be a stalemate because - goketsu cant beat darkshine and darkshine cant land a hit. there is a reason why bangs is number 3. being a martial arts master/ expert means a lot in opm. plus yeah, genos is creditless. goketsu is just radically stronger than genos that he thinks his strength is on paar with saitama. this is extremely funny because goketsu dies offscreen.
Why does it say "Super Allow"?
Where would kaido from one piece scale to one punch man would he be able to defeat top tier like golden sperm
Kaido should be a Dragon Level Monster indeed , he would scale to top tier Dragon level monsters Like the Cadre , but i don't see him winning against Above Cadre level Monsters , Like Platinum S , but this requires more research to give a definitive answer , since i would call myself a one punch man scaler , but when it comes to one piece , i do scale it from time to time but not as much effort as One punch Man , planning to do Matchup like these in the channel in the future , so make sure to tune it , thanks
@@YacineScales most definitely deserve a subscribe and I agree too as I also feel Kaido does scale to the top tier more specific dragon level Monster also I would want to mention that I am a casual watcher of one piece did not seen all the episode and manga chapters, although I do see it there and then but base on what I have seen I would scale him to the like of superalloy dark shine if he had more will power or muman Rider willpower for example as I get a good feel although I do see a case where he could scale to the like of golden sperm that alone would probably be a good vs matchup maybe in a future video but like I said I base all that on what have I seen from one piece as I did not see the entirely of One Piece still would like to hear your in-depth analysis video on where you would scale Kaido if he was within the one punch man verse and who he could probably defeat
I'd say Kaido would probably be a demon level threat, but I'm not sure about his scaling, what are his stats?
@@DefNotHacks Stats for Kaido (I'm not a full-on diehard One Piece fan, just know about it from shorts and TH-cam):
Strength: Monstrous to be simple with you, very high natural strength from his Oni lineage and is further boosted by his Mythical Zoan DF (Devil Fruit)
Speed: Very, very fast as a (keep in mind) _drunken, non-serious_ Kaido speedblitzed and fodderized a post-WCI Luffy so hard to the point he rendered his FS (Future Sight, or Advanced Observation (ACoO)) useless, and keep in mind this was an enraged post-WCI Luffy who was using G4 in tandem with the same FS that got rendered useless, the same Luffy who we can conclude was relative to Katakuri (A YC (Yonko Commander) of the Big Mom Pirates)
Durability: Possesses the title of the "World's Strongest Creature" and truly lives up to it, seeing as he already has very good natural stats from his Oni lineage, further boosted by his Mythical Zoan DF. Would proceed to clash with the Worst Generation Pirates at their full power, tanking a Gamma Knife from Law, walking off Kid's attempts to crush him with his magnet DF, would also tank a full power Nine-Sword-Style:Ashura from Zoro, would tank a Tougen Totsuka from a full power, enraged Oden who was intending to kill him 20 years prior, and in the present would later on clash with Luffy three times, once with him in his Full Form tanking a Gomu-Gomu Gatling from a post-Udon Luffy who imbued ACoA (Advanced Armament) into the attack in his G4:Boundman state which further enhances his power, twice when Luffy had finally attained ACoC (Advanced Conqueror's) via Crude Conqueror's Coating, and a final time from a Luffy who had awakened G5 (Gear 5), and this Luffy would need to use _EVERYTHING_ in his arsenal, including the ACoC, ACoA, G5 expansion and G4 compression into a mega attack called the Bajrang Gun to finally put him down for (not even likely) good
Endurance: Insanely high, took on a full attack from some of the 9 Scabbards who were attempting to reopen his wound inflicted upon him by Oden, all the above feats for durability, and even full on durability negation attacks (Gamma Knife from Law and that ACoA from post-Udon G4 Luffy who was using his Gomu-Gomu gatling as ACoA has durability negation properties)
Stamina: Insanely high too, dealt with the 9 Scabbards, the Worst Generation Pirates including Luffy and finally his child Yamato who was also at their full power using their own Mythical Zoan DF along with ACoC, all while holding up Onigashima with his Flame Clouds (a feat Momonosuke could not replicate despite him possessing the near exact same fruit as Kaido)
Abilities: Possesses all the 3 Haki types, including FS (ACoO), ACoC and ACoC, along with a monstrously over powered Mythical Zoan DF, Fish-Fish Fruit, Model: Azure Dragon which enhances his physical stats by a huge amount, with three forms for his DF, Human, Hybrid and Full Form with his Hybrid Form being the strongest form there is
Add in the fact that the One Piece world is larger than our own Earth, it's likely that if scaled with the OP world calcs (not the calcs where the OP world is supposedly as large as our sun), he should be around Multi-Continental to Moon level which means he would be an Above-Dragon threat
but idk man im not good with scaling:skull:
@@chingmuankim4927 but... but you only gave me one AP feat... not even scaled him properly.... my guy you said "oh he's stronger than this guy, faster than this guy, and tough enough to get punched by this guy." that's not scaling him, that's scaling him above another person, not actually scaling him. also shorts on youtube are not a source of scaling info, they are very unreliable (i've seen people scaling makima above garou, i've seen people scaling gojo over goku, or even vegeta over featherine, they're a very bad source of information). assuming your information is right, then kaido would be around mid dragon, except in terms of speed, he would get one tapped by platinum s, so he's not quite high dragon yet. (golden s was able to one shot darkshine, who is the most durable hero, including tatsumaki, who casually deflected an attack that split the earth, which was multi-continental to moon level) and platinum s is much stronger than golden s, so he would be able to easily take down kaido. i also think that darkshine vs kaido would be closer, but kaido would still lose due to the speed gap, seeing as darkshine is at least somewhat relevant to flashy flash, who blitzed two ftl people at the same time, as well as competing and overpowering and outmatching spiral garou, who is several times the speed/strength/durability of human garou, who even when exhausted, poisoned, sick, injured, and hadn't slept for several days, and literally had a hole through his calf, was still completely outpacing a g4 genos (pre-g4 genos was casually dodging lasers and then on top of that received his second biggest upgrade of the series, which puts him somewhere around 3-4 times ftl) with puts human garou at around 5x ftl, and spiral garou at at least 10x ftl, but even up to 20x ftl. and he was being outpaced by darkshine, before his transformation into monster garou. i'd say that (if your information is correct, and i'll assume it is, since i don't know much about OP) that kaido would be mid dragon, but would still lose high diff to darkshine.
The biggest gokestu Stan and before I even watch the video I hands down believe gokestu would win high diff idc
The video itself makes it sound like it actually is kinda close??
For more clicks obviously
havent finished the video, but using Genos' words for scaling should NEVER be used
Nothing could be used for gouketsu except of that
gouketsu can leave shockwaves in the sky and can cause tremors across the city.
that's like the higher end of the dragon level scale in OPM.
we haven't seen anything from darkshine like this.
love your videos, but you should change the background music, it is pretty annoying, reminds me of a hoover
Ill make sure to make better edits from now on
@@YacineScales Hope you will get huge views, quality videos af, dont let your hope down:D
@@l0lwarrior470 Thanks Man , i'll try my best
I don't get this one, we know for a fact that gouketsu is DEFINITELY not as strong as saitama and that was genos vastly overestimating him, that's just fact thenw hy is this a debate. This is more of a what if gouketsu was actually as strong as saitama scenario then a real debate.
i think Gouketsu is as strong as Golden sperm at his peak because he is also a high cadre
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