#23 Mid Mount Mower VS 3 Point Finish Mower - Kubota B2601 and Land Pride FDR 1660
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- In this video, I'll show you why I chose the Land Pride FDR1660 rear mount grooming mower over the mid-mount belly mower for my Kubota B2601 compact tractor.
One type of mower is not better than the other, so you'll need to decide which is best for you and your situation. I'll list a number of pros and cons that I have found with my rear mount finishing mower. This is not a review or a how to video, just some information from my experience that I hope you find helpful.
Do you prefer a finish mower, a flail mower, or a rotary (bush hog / brush hog) mower? Personally, there are times when I could use each. Search mcg mmm.
This video may be helpful for BX owners, B2301 owners, or even Kubota LX owners.
This video is intended for entertainment purposes only. Not affiliated with the Kubota Tractor Corporation or Land Pride.
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Fifteen years ago I bought a Kubota RCB 60 mid mount mower. It really impressed me with it's heavy duty build quality, shaft drive and smooth and quite operation. But I absolutely dread putting it on or off the B2150! I'm fifteen years older now and it isn't getting any easier to man handle that 500 lbs. beast. I find I leave it hanging in the tractor shed more and more often and mow with my 35 year old Simplicity.
I hitch a chain to the front of my B7510 and pick it up enough to clear the deck with my garage car hoist. I learned to be scrupulously careful with how I thread the chain through the two rear hoist pin holes, as a single slipped link can turn a chain into a liquid, vibrating stream until the wheels reach the floor, but still, the system has worked well for me since 2010.
I have owned both and still own a rear finish mower. I had a B2920 with a mid- mount and it was no real problem hooking and unhooking but the finish mower is easier and faster. I use my Land Pride quick hitch on my FDR-2572 with G6 Gator blades and it can't be beat. It is rear discharge so the grass is dispensed evenly behind it instead of a windrow, for the most part it works great. I picked it up used for $1000 so right there is the REAL difference, the 72" Kubota belly mower was $3500! For that kind of difference I can make the rear finish work for me. Like he said it's really not for weeds, it's one of those mowers that really, really make the G6 Gator blade look good and I've tried them all.
I watched a review of a 3pt finish mower on Tractor Time With Tim so this is another good viewpoint to have. The one thing I know he uses instead of the loader for front ballast is a set of suitcase weights. I'd probably go with a mid-mount mower since that's what I've grown up with most of my life. Plus, we've got a lot of hills and trees to deal with in our area.
That's a nice tractor/mower combination. My first tractor was a Bolens G174 gear driven with a 48" Woods mower on the 3 pt hitch. Once I rebuilt the pulleys (rust) it did a great job of moderately rough cutting, but on a sharply undulating lawn I had big trouble with the geometry of those undulations. I had to repeat a lot of uncut spaces from the side. More modern rear mowers seem to be set further from the tractor with a lot more freedom to follow the terrain. When I bought my Kubota B7510 hydro with its mid-mount mower, the ease and quality of the lawn cut improved considerably. The rig was capable of mowing around my 25 acres of little trees, but the flow of cut grass created a problem the longsuffering Woods did not have.
I have a new Yanmar 325 with a mid-mount mower (60”) after mowing with my old B7100hst with a 48” finish mower for the past 30 years. In my yard, I need to trim less with the mid-mount. I am mowing 40% + grade in areas. I have spent many hours looking for the spacers and lynchpins over the years. I’ll miss the rear mount mower in some conditions. Trimming to the edge is far less an issue with the mid-mount. By next year I will have a stronger opinion. Thanks for the nice videos!
Another great video showcasing a product that I hope to have one day ! Thanks for sharing and congratulations on the 400 subscribers! :))
BRAiN StORM - thanks so much!
Love the aerial shots! Had a MMM on BX2350. Still chunky to mow especially with FEL. Now have lawn service. Did not buy mower for B2601. Was given Gravely ZT2552 by generous neighbor (needed fuel pump and starter) if we were to ever discontinue lawn service. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Like the aerial shots too. Might be persuasive
Thanks so much for the review!
I have a solution for your height pin the gets pulled off by weeds, buy some small nylon wire ties and put it under the ring and over the pin. Zip it tight and your problem is solved. The ring can’t be pulled up off the pin because the zip tie holds it down. If you want it even more secure you can use two zip ties/pin and crisscross them.
jlsmed - thanks much. I definitely need to fix that. I’ve lost them more than once!
Great review! .turning 75 and got lots of aches and pains. Thinking more about a finish mower like yours more and more!! All the best!
Thanks very much, Dave. I'm very happy with it! Join us for the Monday night Livestream if you can. -Ed
I have 3 acres that I mow with a 3 point finish mower. I use to mow with a 42" craftsman lawn mower. It took several hours. Now it takes an hour and a half. 3 point mower is much better.
Great video showcasing the RFM. I just purchased a LX2610 with a mid mount mower for my 3.5 acres. Our yard is reasonably flat and it will probably only go on and off at the beginning and end of cutting season. I strongly considered a RFM but like you mentioned it makes the machine long even with the bucket off and it would be more cumbersome for my wife to use. I may be mowing another 3-4 acres in a year or two and might be second guessing my decision.
For your rear wheel pins. Try a couple zip ties through them to keep them closed
Stephen Reeves - thanks so much. That’s a great idea to zip-tie the pins. Don’t worry about your decision - you can have both! That LX series looks sweet! Thanks for watching and for your comments. -Ed
Hello from las vegas Nevada, thank you for the video and sharing this information, in this moment in las vegas Nevada 120 degrees in my backyard😅
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
juantransportador - but it’s a dry heat. Thanks for watching 😄
Thank you👍
There is also the ZTR or zero turn radius mowers. Front mount with hydraulic drive. I worked with "Walker" brand which are definitely finish mowers.
For pond health it is best to keep a vegetated buffer around the shore. Great video. Thanks for the info., very useful.
Thanks Paul! Good point. I do leave vegetation on the other side. Thanks for watching. -Ed
Great video! I tuned in because this rfm is at the top of my list and I have several LP dealers near me. Just wanted to add some helpful thoughts maybe. I have a property that has some hillside. I personally graded the whole place before I seeded my 3.5 acres of yard. I have a 30hp New Holland and initially 72" belly mower underneath. Anywhere that wasn't dead flat either got scalped or got the tractor stuck because of the lack of height and lack of articulation compared to a riding mower. I sold the belly mower for a small loss and bought a Cub Cadet riding mower with 60" deck that has a terrible deck design leaving lots of grass uncut unless completely dry. I have a 5ft Titan Implement brush hog that does what its supposed to do but is always unsightly for anything considered yard and not rough pasture. You have a great looking place and I don't think you would be happy with the cut of a brush hog within sight of your house. I would humbly suggest buying a good condition used small riding mower and making 1 pass around your house, trees, and fence line then finishing up with the rfm.
Totally agree on the pin issue. That happened to me at least three times.
Probably the best video I've seen on this topic. Well done
Thank you, Doug. Much appreciated. -Ed
I own Summit Tractors, like what you do on your channel.
@@dougrehor860 Nice! I enjoyed Courtney’s introduction and review of Summit tractors on GWT.
@@MyClutteredGarage Thank you sir. We are trying to offer a different, more tractor owner oriented approach. What you and others do on YT to help share information is just amazing.
Hi Doug. I send a message via the online form on your website. You can email me at contactmcgtv@gmail.com
I have probably 225-250 hours with a mid mount mower on a b2630 which is an older version of your machine. With a 60 inch deck it leaves a great finish. Comparable to any non pro level zero turn. So a mid range exmart and up and lower end gravely and up and others that are similar. I dont think the deck is too hard to do but i wouldnt want fo take it on and off for every cut. Pulling it off for a specific job really isnt too bad and honestly if you have a light winter of snow you can really just leave it on. Its amazing where it will go with the belly mower on.
I dont use any rear attachments as of now. Besides a trailer hitch to move trailers. Thats going to change here shortly. Im going a different direction with tractors because of moving to a zero turn for my mowing which i honestly wish i would have done from the start but you live and learn. I dont regret the 15 years of mowing my place with the b2630. It did a great job, the gravely just does a cut better. Pun intended.
Its far more annoying to put a backhoe on and off. I hate doing it. I see your point very clearly on the rear mount being able to back under trees and brush as well as using the swing to your advantage.
My change is going to be toward a lx2610su with r14’s for its higher ground clearance and larger tires and no mid pto and to a 60 inch flail with hammers and a hydraulic top link to use with the flail and a box blade and land plane. And a 3rd funtion, quick detach and 2 rear remotes.
Going from a mowing as a primary function to land care as a primary function.
Very nice! I think I’d really like a flail mower. The LX2610 is great. Congrats and good luck! -Ed
Nice job Ed! I went with the MMM on my B2601. Before I got my “B” series, I had a BX 2680 with a pin on bucket. I find the B 2601 without the bucket (like you show) is just as maneuverable as my old BX. Also it is hard for me to be turned around in the seat. I am just not as flexible as I once was. I can see the finish mower works well for you though. Thanks for sharing. Cheers!
Peacefield Farm_MN - thanks so much! I really think there’s so single perfect mower attachment. At times I wish I had them all! Thanks for watching. -Ed
I'm so glad that I got a big zero turn before getting a tractor. I wouldn't want anything heavier than the 975lbs my jd zero turn is(for weekly mowing anyway)
I think that's a smart choice for weekly mowing. Thanks for watching!
Thanks Ed. I have a b2601 on order that was going to come with a loader, mid mount mower and a backhoe. I think I'm going to pass on the mid mount mower now and just get a cheap used riding mower and clean up everything I can't get with my weed eater.
Congrats on your purchase. You'll love it! Thanks for watching.
Box blade is a wonderful thing and don't forget the quick attach pallet forks.
I use a bx2380 to mow mid belly mower. I take the loader off and it's great 👍
If you don't adjust the height often, you can replace the pins with bolts using lock nuts that have the nylon inserts. (often called aircraft lock nuts, but they aren't used much in aviation)
Thanks. That’s exactly what I was thinking of doing. 👍
I have a Kubota 23 S which comes with a backhoe so that is why I went with the belly mower. I haven’t had it that long, but I took the mower off once and couldn’t get it back on because apparently I bent some linkage underneath. The dealer had to replace the linkage and was able to get it back on. After all I have heard I am dreading taking it off now!
That's a bummer. I wouldn't worry about taking it off... just be careful. Thanks for watching!
Seeing how you use it... And the finish you put too it... I would say a flail mower would suit you better than a rotary cutter. Better cut finish but you still have the ablity to chew up brush if you want.
Also if you don't adjust cut height often you can swap out the pins for a bolt to avoid them falling out.
Thanks so much, Chad. I agree. They are hard to find used, and pretty pricey. I have definitely thought about using bolts to replace the pins. I think I'm pretty set on keeping the current height adjustment. Good tips! Thanks for watching. -Ed
@@MyClutteredGarage No argument on price. I will say have used flails and rotarys a lot and they are worth the extra $1000+ over a rotary in the right application. If you want to smash stuff down nothing tops a rotary but a flail mower does a much nicer finished job.
I have both an exmark zero turn and a rear mount 72” finish mower on a Kioti tractor.
The zero turn is faster because of maneuverability.
I have slopes and ditches that I can not do with the zero turn. Zero turns have very poor traction.
I am guilty of using the finish mower more like a brush hog at times.
I have had it since 2007. I just replaced the belts for the first time. I am on the second set of blades and just replaced one bent wheel caster. So for all the years of hard service it is holding up well.
So I am keeping them both. I have some overlap in capability, which is good if one is down for service. They both also have their specialty.
Great points, Michael. I agree completely. -Ed
Just found your channel and subscribed. Great content. I will tell you that I have the same issue with snap pins but I found locking snap pins at ace hardware in the hardware section. They are a life (equipment) saver!!!! Super cheap too
Thanks very much, Adam! -Ed
I enjoy your videos, also your since of humor….👍
Thanks Chuck! Livestream tonight at 7pm EDT. Stop by! -Ed
Thanks so much what a great review. . Looks like I’m in the same position as you . I’m looking to get finish mower and do a large lawn + some woods edge. Thanks.
Hi Michael. Thank you for your kind comments. Good luck, and thanks for watching. Depending on which mower you get, you might find my tip in video #50 handy too.
I use a zero turn and the RCR1248 cutter on my B2650
Lose the top link. On rolling terrain the deck needs to float and the top link will be a problem use a chain instead and it'll float and you can still lift it up.
Love your channel. Very informative for a new tractor owner... Kubota B2301I. heard you say you are in the Northeast. I am as well (Massachusetts) what state are you in? Keep up the great contact!
Thank you Michael. Enjoy that B2301! I'm in Southern NJ - so I'm in the southern northeast :)
I'm thinking the mid mount for me. I have a lot of turns and trees to go around. Hek I'm still on the fence about a B or BX machine.
You’ll love whatever you get! And at times you’ll wish you went bigger. And at times you’ll wish you had something smaller and more maneuverable. 😄
You could find a cotter pin and put it in place of that quick pin so the brush don't pull it off .. just a suggestion
Thanks Mike. I found a pretty good solution and talked about it in video #50. 👍
@@MyClutteredGarage cool numbering videos is premium!!
@@mechanicmike2858 thanks Mike!
The ditch and ruts are a problem for a belly mower. It will bottom out and get you stuck. The only thing you can do is try to straddle them.
Am looking for the comparison from the finish mower and a flair
Both work well. A flail will go through thicker taller grass and vegetation in the first pass. For lawns and estates, a finish mower would be better. The flail is good for straight passes, not good at turns.
I now use a nut and bolt instead of the pins - I lost some many spacers
I’m thinking the same. I don’t really adjust the spacers often so a bolt and lock nut might be best. Thanks for watching!
I HATE MMM. Getting the thing off and on is the number one headache of yard work! Can't wait to get Rear mower.
I’m glad I didn’t go with the MMM. But honestly, I still need a separate smaller mower. Thanks for watching. -Ed
@@MyClutteredGarage picking up a lawn tractor tomm. Best of both.
I use both
you should replace those pins with lock nuts and bolts.
A rotary cutter does NOT use a single blade. They have two blades mounted to a circular plate (stump jumper). That being said, I like my finish mower; but I'd like to have a small tractor with a mid-mount mower.
When mowing around the pond, let your top link out a little more.
Good point, Troy. Thanks for watching. -Ed
for your larger estates like my buddy's house, is a two day project with a zero turn. with a tractor like what you are with the mower would probably be more like a 6 hour day
I have the same mower. I replaced the pin's with a bolt and a nut. Now they don't come off. Later
Thanks much! That’s my plan for this spring! Great tip.
Great video Sir
Where in the northeast are you???
Again thanks
EDWARD
Thanks very much. We are in southwestern NJ.
I'm guessing there is no way to attach a leaf/grass catcher to a rear mounted mower, correct?
Not that I’m aware of.
@@MyClutteredGarage You can put a cyclone leaf rake on one. Only problem your whole setup, tractor, finish mower and cyclone rake would be as long as a semi trailer...;)
Good video.
Thank you, Richard. Much appreciated. -Ed
We use a mid mount mower on our x394 john deere
That's great. Are you happy with it?
can you put a mid mount mower on a older tractor
First, you have to have a mid PTO. I’m sure you can, if you can find one made for your model. Could be tough to find. Depending tire brand and how much “older” your tractor is, I’d check with your dealer. Thanks for watching!
@@MyClutteredGarage thanks i will have to look when I get home , its a ford 1110, 1983
11:40 so use a bolt
Say shift the shims 3 times really fast.
YOUR TOP LINK NEED TO BE STRAIGHT UP AND DOWN THEN U CAN MOW COMPLETE SLOPE TO THE POND EDGE
Use different pins
You are dead wrong about flail mowers. Don't comment about something you know nothing about.
You need a flail mower
Hi Mike. I’d love one!
Geta an old FORD flail, their the best,and not too expensive
Cool! I plan on going with the zero turn + bush hog on the tractor. You just helped me decide that 100%! on to #24!
Hi Ed! I have a Deere 1025R with a 60” mid mount mower and a 48” brush hog. There’s trade offs on both. I use the brush hog for parts of my property that are ‘wilder’, lots of rocks and branches that will take out a finish mower. I was cringing when you were backing under those trees!
Thanks so very much. That sounds like a great setup. Ultimately, I'd like to keep the finish mower and add a brush hog. I think I'd really like a flail mower, but they are not as common (used) and are pricey. -Ed
Thanks so much for another great video!
I believe you would be disappointed with the cut of the grass with the rotary cutter/brush hog for your manicured lawn area. I vote :) for you purchasing a rotary cutter/brush hog for the rough areas of your property if needed and keeping your finish mower. I have owned and used a rotary cutter/brush hog for a year, really like it, and am keeping it. Now purchasing/adding a finish mower for a more manicured look for closer to the house.
Thanks very much, and that's a great point to just have both! Thanks for watching. -Ed
Good day Ed 😊🌞 Big congrats on your +400 subs 👍😉 Your hard work and high quality video's that your making/producing will paid off very soon Sir 👍😊 keep up the outstanding work and always a full watch Sir 😊🌞👍 I'm love with my mid mower John Deere LA 135 since i can get between trees and various plateau on the pitch angle of my land 💖😊👍 To me Sir, you have the best rear floating mower since they are on 4 wheels if I had to buy a rear finish mower it will be exactly your model Sir 🧐😊👍 and keep up your great sence of humor 😉 You can lock-wire your rear locking pine Sir 🧐👍 As always great video Sir and great air drone view 👍😉😊 You have a beautiful land Sir and have a great week 🌞 Cheers 👍😊🌞
Hey Dave. Always great to hear from you. I enjoy keeping up with your channel too! Yes' I've considered securing those pins, or even using some nuts and bolts instead. Might have to do that! Thanks again for watching (full watch!) and commenting! :)
@@MyClutteredGarage It is always a great Honor Sir 😊😉👍
Nice ty 😊 🙏
The way I see it Either way you still gonna have to weedeat just buy a good weedeater . Put a carter pin on the finsh mower wheels instead of the clip pin.
💖 I use my Land Pride FDR2584 for the same reasons. Easy to maintain blades & service. And all that dust and noise is behind you. 💖
I have a ATH 600 Brush Hog finish mower 60 inch cut I ran and It cut
beautifully. They're mainly for large properties where you can mow
straight, and a pain if you have a lot of tight areas. I have mine
up for sale because I Sold the large property I had.
Hahaha I got a really good laugh at the beginning of this video. Hot humid summer in the north east lol. Come down south (Alabama) if you want a hot humid summer.
I’ll bet! But we do get into the upper 90’s with 90% humidity. Probably just not a long as you though! Thanks for watching!
Run a small length of safety wire on your retainer clips to keep them from poping off.
Please keep your ROPS up and seatbelt on when mowing, especially around water. My neighbor didn't think he needed to do that, broke his neck, he had to be fed with a stomach tube until he finally died.
Thank you. So sorry to hear about your friend.
Good job Ed, should have watched this sooner. Cheers
I have a scagg turf tiger 72 inch,I cut about 4 acres at a time..I also have a bush hog for tractor
Mowers don't cut when they're not on the ground.
I can't count how many videos I have seen comparing these two types of mowers. You are the first one who explained all these uses that are unique to a tow behind. I have been struggling as a new buyer, but you have sold me on a tow behind and i can just use my push mower for the few areas around the house that will be a pain to maneuver with it.
Thank you for watching and for your kind words. Good luck! -Ed
I use a finish mower on my tractor.
A+ for great information and video!!! You scare me at your pond mowing 😯 I am happy with my Craftsman easy start push mower AND our Dixie Chopper. I love the aerial view!!!
Margaret Matthews - thank you for watching and for your kind comments. I think I would love a Dixie Chopper!
Great video. Thank you for sharing. I went the same way as you, but if I need a bush-hog, I can borrow my neighbours
Thank you! Can’t beat having a good neighbor!
Thanks for the information. I am buying a B01 this week. Your videos are super helpful.
Liam SHERWOOD - appreciate you tuning in. Congrats and keep in touch! Thank you. -Ed
Found it! Thanks.
Congrats on having the setup of my dreams. I’ve been wanting this setup for all the reasons you have mentioned here. What are your plans for snow removal this winter? Cheers from CT!
Curt Chadwick - sounds silly but it took me over 25 years to get a tractor and loader - and this setup. I suppose I’ll use the bucket for snow if needed, but my neighbor has a truck with a plow so there’s that too. I haven’t had to worry about much snow here in southern NJ the past several years (jinx). I bet CT is beautiful this time of year. Thanks for watching! -Ed
That should be all you need. I could probably get away with the same. Every now and then we get dumped on and its those times a blower would be nice. Last year my buddy started a plow service...it snowed once. I thank him every time I see him!
If you put the lower link brackets of the mower in "float position," it will follow the contour of the terrain.
For some of what he did, that would be better, But especially for the berm shooting backstop, he definitely needed to use the hydraulic lift.
I think he's using the lift vs float as needed based on his experience with his land.
Note: It will float up from any lift position. The 3 point does not push down.
@@fhuber7507 i have a tractor of near the same size and there is no float feature on this size. my for 1680 (i think is the size) does have a float control, but it is a 40 horse on the pto
Fabulous STUFF!
Thank YOU!
I agree I prefer the rear finish mower over the mid mount mower. I was raised using a mid mount mower / belly mower on the farmall McCormick. still like this rear finish mower better. love my woods brush bull extreme when I need to brush hog the heavy stuff.
daveknowshow - I’m convinced I need both the finish mower AND a brush hog. Thanks for watching! -Ed
Try painting your spacers day-glo orange. They will be easier to recover
That’s a great idea. Thank you.
@@MyClutteredGarage Or safety wire the pin closed, or zip tie the ring on the pin to the shaft of the pin.
I have a 1980 Iseki 3110 tractor and i have a 60 inch land pride finish mower, that I mounted a bar on it to pull a 60 inch swisher finisher mower and i mow ten ft at a time, it Works great. leaves a beautiful cut.
Personally, for areas like your pond, I would prefer a sickle mower, although your pond looks great using a rotary mower. Nice video. Nice channel.
Hi Dick. A sickle mower would be great! Thanks for watching, and for your kind comments. -Ed