The Brewers Successfully Failed their Rebuild
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- For a few years, the Brewers racked up both losses and high-end prospects, seemingly in conjunction. They've had terrific success over the past 5 years, so they must have succeeded, right? Well, they failed, but they did so successfully. Watch to find out how.
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The fact they traded Hader and didn’t get a bat but rather build our pitching prospects tells all. The Brewers don’t go all in. For the first time in a very long time we have great pitchers, instead of building around them knowing we can’t afford them on the next contract we decide to plan ahead to replace them. It’s embarrassing.
True…I think this was made before but that trade definitely impacts this
The video was made before the trade. I can't disagree with you that the trade was embarrassing
Go Cardinals !!!
yes and no. the baseball postseason is 100% a crapshoot, so the brewers decided that since they cant spend a lot, they want to be good a lot and get a chance at the crapshoot instead of going all in at the best odds in one crapshoot. if we could spend more we would 100% go all in more.
I used to love tracing the domino effect of our trades. Zack Greinke becoming 1/4 of the Yelich deal, JJ Hardy becoming Josh Hader, Adrian Houser, and 1/2 of Mike Moustakas, etc.
This was an awesome visual representation of that!
Appreciate the feedback! I do always find that interesting too, especially those really long trade trade trains. Your example is perfect, or how Greinke led to Segura who led to Isan Diaz, and Lucroy led to Brinson. Diaz + Brinson then got us Yelich.
I forgot Hardy turned into Hader 👀
Great video! Thanks
Love seeing new channels pop up showing cool insights most might overlook. Lookin forward to seeing more content!
Same here! More Brewers content!
appreciate it!!
This is a really good video. You’re unique with how you describe the players as they were seen before they proved themselves. That’s a nice touch
Appreciate the feedback!
This is a great video! I have been hoping for a breakdown on the brewers last 5 years or so on a website or something for quite some time now and this was great!
This was such a good way to remember the pain of Carter, Villar, and Perez as our “stars” not that long ago
appreciate it!! I hope to get another one out later this month
Not a Brewers fan , but this was still a good watch
Appreciate it!
As a Mariners fan I know all too well how this feels. Reading the comments brings back a flood of ptsd memories. It all boils down to the GM. It took me almost 20 years of loosing to figure that out.
If they keep making trades like the Hader ones I'll understand your pain. I've been rooting for the Mariners to break the drought for awhile. Thanks for watching!
Many of the A’s trades have panned out, but there are some like the Donaldson and Holliday deals where they got burnt bad.
Great video
I’ve been a Brewers fan my whole life, but after what happened with the hader trade, it’s tough cheering for a team where the owner ship isn’t thinking about a championship. I’m not saying they have to sign a bunch of stars, but at least get somebody good for hader, idc if he’s playing bad now and it’s working out for the Brewers. They coulda got way more
I know right! You think Gasser or Ruiz will be worth it?
@@petergo980 building for the future makes sense when you have nothing to play for in the present. The brewers always make trades like they arent trying to win now, so it makes sense that they never win anything.
@@toilet_cleaner_man I agree. The trade doesn't seem terrible given Hader's struggles but I agree... it's no coincidence the players seemed so upset
@@toilet_cleaner_man I’m totally with you that I understand why players were upset about it. In the end, I think the Brewers “won” the trade on paper, but may not have truly won the trade after factoring how this impacted the ‘22 roster and team morale.
Same here. Attanasio sees that they compete with a low payroll so he has no desire to increase it. He knows brewer fans are faithful and will continue to fill the stadium no matter what product he puts out there.
Great video really interesting. I never thought about the rebuild like this but now that I do I see it in a whole new light.
The video was made to make brewer fans satisfied with mediocrity. And probably missing playoffs this year. This was made by Craig counsels family or sterns
@@LeeLee-db8kd 😂😂
thanks for the feedback!
3:28 in and not a single prospect turned into what they were supposed to. Obviously Hader did, but you said his name at 3:30
Grisham and Philips are solid
I forgot just how good the Brewers system was ranked…crazy which players panned out and which didn’t.
Grisham is horrible
I love the knock on the Mets even though they are currently a first place team built around pitching…
That's true but of their current team only deGrom and Seth Lugo are pitchers from that original rebuild. The rest were either signed or traded for, and with a huge payroll
"Matt Garza" invokes a trauma response as a practicing Brewers fan.
absolutely... had multiple negative personal encounters with him
This vid is a certified dubsack 👍🏼🔥
who might i asked certified it?
@@sethsmith6910 this guy
And you can scratch hader off the list as still being a brewer...
Yellich has become so bad after his deal it’s a burden on the rest of the franchise
His hitting is average but he's not what he used to be☹️
I know 😞
@@danielpichler3662 I think that's the difference between this team being a playoff contender and a serious WS contender
Cardinals fan here! I remember that one year we couldn’t pitch to him!
Marlins looking like geniuses for trading him despite him winning a MVP.
The biggest flaw with the Brewers imploring this strategy is young baseball players are a total crap shoot 90% of the time if they will pan out or not. When you keep trading for prospects you will eventually get burned on enough of them not panning out which will force another rebuild phase.
It Also Doesn't Help That Albert Pujols Burned Them Earlier In The Season
Yeah, I could’ve accepted a Hader trade if we got a veteran bat in exchange for him
It's true, I just wanted to highlight the fact that they were able to develop these mid-level prospects. I think the test of how good they are at development will be whether or not they can turn Wiemer, Mitchell, Frelick, and Gasser into quality Big Leaguers.
Like the A’s but if you look at their age they are not very young.
For a low payroll team, getting to the playoffs this consistently is a major success. Shooting for the WS and calling only that a success is a luxury only for big markets. From the Brewers' standpoint as a bottom half payroll team, this is what success looks like.
Facts
You are, unfortunately, correct. Seems like fielding a slightly above average team and crossing fingers is the name of the game in the Brewers front office. I fear that we Brewer fans will continue to play the part of Charlie Brown running up to kick that football, and having it pulled away every time.
@@parsnip2699 you never know though as long as you get to the dance you Always have a shot at a royals style miracle
unfortunately yes, if we go "all in" we'll be terrible within 2 years most likely and need a prolonged rebuild again
Love it man keep it up!
appreciate it!!
Baseball is a simple game. You either build off of run prevention or run creation. It seems all the teams want offense. So gather up all of the best young pitching prospects you can for your best hitters.
And yet the best teams are the ones who do both. I’m an Astros fan, and the reason we won the World Series (the 2022 one, mind you) was because we built around both. We had dominant starting pitching and an even better bullpen coupled with an equal amount of power hitters and small ball contact hitters. This is the Brewers’ main problem: they have been pitching-oriented for so long and the bats can’t catch up.
Yeah idk man playoffs for like 5 years straight is pretty successful to me
I know…it is and isn’t
@@petergo980 brewers have been so mid my whole life that this is just fine for me
Yeah but how is the offense still this bad? We are probably gonna miss the playoffs and even if we got in we have no shot. The offense again is gonna be ate down fall
The demise of Yelich hasn’t helped and the front offense needed to compensate for it…and they didnt
@Cavan McCabe I've been commenting about this for the last 3-4 years ➕. When we made the ultimate decisions to trade Jesus Aguilar, allow good players to leave via Free Agency, and trading away other great players and getting little back. Now yes in some cases the deals had some relevance and success. But, BUT signing Jackie Bradley Jr. for $10 million dollars? What did we pay him, $100,000.00 per hit? 😳 Sorry. Some of the decisions made have been really difficult to understand. Signing a has been for $10 million, while letting go a 30-40 HR guy go? This team's batting average has been what, .200-.230? That is PATHETIC! I can remember when a players, ONE PLAYER HITTING .225 was BAD! Now it's acceptable? Also I am SO FED UP WITH THE EXCUSES! EVERY YEAR THERE'S AN EXCUSE. Last years was, no had to be the more ridiculous. There set-up reliever decided to go 10 rounds with a 🚪🚪door🚪🚪 and he broke his hand. Now there is a perfect example of Brewers⚾️🧢🧢⚾️Baseball.......idiotic! And then there's the old standard! Boo hoo we are a small market team, boo hoo, poor us! 😟🙁☹😮😯😲😳🥺😦😧😨😰😥😢😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 Whaaah! Whaaaah! Sniffles tears, blow your👃🐽🤥🤧👃 I USED to get angry!😡😠😡🤬🤬😡😠😡 Pissed off. Upset. But now I just find it hard to defend, and even harder to support this "franchise". First of all the Minnesota Twins were ALSO a "Small Market" team, so were some others, but, BUT they spent money, and POOF SOME OF THEM WON A WORLD SERIES! Now it's a joke, it's laughable!🤭🤣😅😂🤣😅😂😆😂😅🤣😆 and yes sad, actually more pathetic than sad. The Milwaukee Brewers, if they had as many wins as they do excuses, they'd be NL Champions 🏆 5 years running. The Milwaukee Bucks was also referred to as a small market club. But the owners decided to make money you have to sometimes SPEND MONEY! They did just that, and wouldn't you know, THEY WON A CHAMPIONSHIP! WOW! IMAGINE THAT? Again I've supported this team since 1972. I was a little kid so my parents spent the money....lol. My point is I am sick of these excuses, these moronic trades, these foolish deals, and worse yet they sign the most inept Free Agents possible and they wonder why their stands slowly became emptier and emptier? People are sick of the excuses, people are sick or the classic Brewers trades.............idiotic! Also people are fed up with the well get em next year BS! This team has become pathetically inept and laughable! Sad, very sad and very disappointing. What's worse, that's expected now!
@@petergo980 I am also so fed up with everyone blaming Christian Yelich for the Brewers downfall! First of all if you are an elite hitter in a lineup where you don't have ANYONE scary before or after you in the line-up, pitchers pitch AROUND YOU! They don't need to pitch you strikes because if you get a walk? There nobody who can or will drive you in! Christian Yelich being the player he is wanting to win TRIED HARDER to get hits, and with the pitchers pitching around him he never got decent pitches to drive the ball like he did the previous years back. You all forget he was the MVP, but he also had BACK-UP. Mike Moustakas, Jesus Aguilar, some other decent hitters. Now our team has a MASSIVE .215-.220 batting average? Come on! Christian Yelich hasn't been the problem, not at ALL! The IDIOT OWNER, and the inept front office! That's your claim!
@@EdsterIII Jesus Aguilar > Rowdy Tellez? I agree Yeli had a better lineup but you can’t blame going from MVP to solid lead off hitter based on the hitters around you.
The team has been quite simply average all around. Their starting pitching is 14th in ERA, relief pitching is 17th in ERA & the offense is 8th in runs/game (10th in OPS).The biggest change from last year is the starting pitching, they finished with the 2nd lowest ERA in 2021.
I'm still waiting for our owner to stick to his word when he bought the team by doing whatever it takes to win a world series.
I’ve never seen that exact quote, but “whatever it takes” is certainly not the phrase I’d use to describe his approach
And they continue to fail.
More of this content let's gooo
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I feel spoiled as a Cardinal fan. Our closest "rebuild" was like 2015-18" when we didn't make the playoffs and fans lost their shit.
True… only a few teams can boast no rebuild and success
You guys are. Your division has three other teams that have random bursts of success which can never develop thanks to bad ownership, and then you have the undervalued, underperforming Brewers. The Cards almost get a division title handed to them every year (although the current era with Arenado and Goldy is totally earned).
Success is a relative term
I’d say it’s been fairly successful. No World Series but they’ve been far more successful than many other recent rebuilds (Marlins, Pirates, Reds, Tigers)
Plus they’re 3rd in wins in the NL over the past 5 years
@The Barrel MKE they are literally in the limbo phase, I'd argue every team you mentioned has a better shot of winning a ring in the next decade than the brewers, them having the 3rd most wins in the nl is shocking to Me I'm guessing the only 2 teams ahead of them are the dodgers and cardinals?
@@daltonfarris The Cardinals are behind the Brewers, the Braves in 2nd. I haven't been a big fan of all the Brewers' moves over the past year, but I'd still take our chances over those.
Lol. Us Cubs chased Hader out of Wrigley North (Milwaukee) after that inside the park home run from Suzuki and three-run HR from Wisdom (or someone) we chased 'em out
Wait the 61-82 Cubs or is it a different one?
because the cubs were really good this year
How did they fail if they’ve made the postseason regularly? They didn’t win a WS, but its really really hard. The Dodgers have made the postseason with a very good record every year for the last 10, and have 1 WS to show for it, in 2020.
They failed to develop their top prospects, but succeeded because they developed the mid level pitching prospects to make it to the Postseason. The results are successful for sure.
8:15 I like how the Phillies and Padres rank the worst here yet those two fought for the pennant this year lol
This video was made before they had any success lol. The one caveat is they did that mostly not with homegrown talent but big free agents.
Not a total fail, at least not yet; still a good chance to make it to the postseason, where anything can happen; and you guys have done it without Hader !
Maybe my opinion is out of subject, but I remember when I was scared to death for my fav team to face the Brewers in the WS ! I was too glad and relieved to have the Skunkees beating you guys in 1981, for two reasons:
1.- Revenge, sweet revenge !!
2.- Dont wanna mess vs monsters like Oglivie, Cooper, Thomas ...no, not him pleeease !! :( ...., Yount, Molitor, Simmons, and many more !
Good luck with playoffs...exception made only if we confront each other ! lol 😆
Thanks! I wish I could’ve been around to see those teams in the 80s!
Laughs in Pirates fan stuck in a decade long rebuild with no end in sight and hoping the team doesn't blow the #1 pick (biggest dub for the Bucs in a decade winning the lottery) over cost control.
Being a Pirates fan seems difficult 😬
The mets dig hurt, but at least they won a pennant
That’s true, 1 pennant but only 1-2 other good seasons. Brewers have been more consistently winning but 0 pennants.
I just started watching mlb in recent years and when I watch brewers, they look like they are only built to last till they reach playoffs. It seems they have not crossed a threshold to compete with teams like Dodgers, braves.
I agree, although I wouldn't have said the Braves were built to be a Playoff threat last year
When u have the cy young you should be the favorite going into any series..and we ain't even gonna make playoffs. R brewer's fans happy with just making the playoffs?
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Front office is 😶
That was the case last year yes, but considering how meh the rotation has been this year, the Cy Young won't be handed to anyone in a Brewers uniform in 2022.
2015 was the last time the NL CY winner's team won the division series (Arietta).
@@tonyevers2663 agreed…not that no CY means the rotation wasn’t good, but it was definitely below expectations.
@@petergo980 That is true, a lot of it had to due with injuries. Peralta was injured most of the year, and never really got it going. All of the injuries pushed Ashby into a prominent role and he, like Peralta, struggled between health and effectiveness. Burnes cruised until August. Woodruff was out about a month, but has been really good. Houser was nearly pitching his way out of the rotation before his injury. Small, who most would've seen as the up and down SP7, has struggled with walks all year, and since his last stint with the Crew he has been awful in AAA.
The offense has been good overall but very inconsistent. Most of that can probably be attributed to both Adames struggles and their inability to hit LHP, the team has a .750 OPS against RHP vs a .658 OPS against LHP. At the deadline, that should've been what they were looking for, I had Christian Walker as a good candidate that could platoon with Tellez, as he mashes LHP.
I get your channel isn't really meant for all this. But these are good videos. And if you have a second channel or are willing to do it on this channel. I'm sure you'd get plenty of subscribers doing videos like this. Whether it be strictly about the Brewers or all of MLB
appreciate the feedback!
Great video! Not a huge baseball fan but very well put together
appreciate it!!
man i feel bad for brewers fans orioles fans tho there pretty good now they lost alot within 20 years and the tigers having to rebuild a rebuild and maybe rebuilding the other 2 rebuilds tigers need a new gm brewers need bats and orioles need pitching
We finally have winning baseball in Milwaukee
Villar is a swell player..
62 steals in 2016!
Dam Hader no longer a brewer
Ditching Grisham was beyond stupid
We got Luis Urias and Eric Lauer. Personally, I’m not too upset with it.
Changing the uniforms was a bad idea.
I actually love the current uniforms
To be fair grisham is a two time gold glover
that's true... he's overall panned out just not for the Brewers
None of the prospects panned out nothing, it’s nothing on the team, only the pitchers became something. Hader deal was also a dub cause he sucked and now he sucks harder.
Hey man good video, just providing some constructive criticism, some background music could really help make it seem more like a youtube video and less like a monologue with baseball clips in the background.
Appreciate the feedback! You’re not the only one who suggested it, so I added background music for my other videos I’ve made since!
@@Thebarrelmke That's great man, good for you.
It’s like the A’s, not really a rebuild but always “retooling” but nonetheless disappointing to have an owner that doesn’t want to pay players their fair share.
Agree 😕
I thought they were gonna be dominate in the central league after 2018. I was wrong
I agree, but so many things changed from that run. Knebel and Jeffress regressed/got hurt/we got rid of them, Shaw regressed horribly, Moose signed with the Reds, Cain aged and Yelich's production fell off. I was right there with you tho
The Brewers will never win a World Series because we can't do nothing in the off season or at the trade deadline
BuT wE hAvE mOrE bItEs At ThE aPpLE
I hope you're wrong but also can't disagree at the same time
Yellich fell of haaaard
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You have to figure out how to generate more income. No reason you should be ranked 19th after the seasons you’ve had the past 4 years. I also don’t know of a Brewers jersey that I’d buy because idk who’s sticking around. I just bought a Michael Harris II jersey and I have Acuña and Freddie’s still. You need a core player like Yelich to stop sucking.. Although that’s kind of how bad he was as apart of the Marlins.
I agree about the generating more income. I don't know if it's legitimately an income issue or an unwillingness to spend issue or both. Difficult as a Brewers' fan.
The Milwaukee Brewers are weak. They need Stan Ross.
That thumbnail looks like crap
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Lol was this put out by Craig counsels family? Way to try and ok mediocrity. This is why Brewers will never win. Got clowns like u saying, hey it's ok to just make to he playoffs. Why th hell would they ever spend on a bat
Counsell isnt at fault, its impossible to make a broken machine work properly, and Mark A's cheapness will keep this machine broken by not giving Sterns any money to use on anybody. We cant retain talent, we dont sign FA's, and we rarely make trades for actual MLB players. Mark A's tenure is already a thunderous failure.
I hope this video isn't posted for the white Sox by 2024.
That one will just be titled "Tony La Russa failed"
Always trading away proven talent. Inconsistent hitting and pitching. Won't go after bigger names, our more to the point, won't spend the money on decent players. That's what keeps this team from ever winning a championship.
In 6 years nothing has changed. The Brewers still are a garbage franchise. Bad ownership and bad management
What has changed is they've made the Playoffs as many times over the past 6 years as they did over their first 48
This video... be happy with just making the playoffs. So many other teams don't
Lol, way to make mediocrity ok not spend any money
You have to make the playoffs to even have a chance, St. Louis has figured out how to stay close and make adjustments during the season to improve there chance , Brewers need a better minor league system, you have to build through the system, and need a better talent evaluation
@@bocephus1911 For real!
@@bocephus1911 Cards fan since 1982 here, and I agree with you, somehow they have figured out how to stay in the playoff hunt almost every year and have only had one below .500 season in the last 22 years. I plan on going to a game in Milwaukee next season, I've never been there. Cheers!
the rebuild ended when they lost travis shaw