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Jonathan, if we pay for this course, will we be able to access the videos and content a few hours after the live course hours? I have school during the live course hours.
After reading the Language of Creation, I had an epiphany that made the story of Christianity real for me, but it was ineffable. Since then I have been trying to figure out how to bridge that gap. This has led me to read the Fathers and learn to pray and go to church, but that gave me little hope that I could be a proper evangelist in our nihilistic age. I look forward to JP's book.
Be encouraged my friend! You can always be a proper evangelist by daily trying to practice the proper Loving attitude to everyone you encounter. That is the most powerful thing there is. Trust me, people notice like mad when Love and Peace is spread around. Even more so when annoyance and grumpiness are the norm, every little spark of light instantly alerts everyone. Think when Jesus enters the Kafarnaum synagogue and everyone is instantly bewildered like "what is this new power-ful teaching that evil spirits fear ??!". The more we let Jesus shine through us the more people notice. Sometimes they might even get curious from afar and approach us to inquire about why we started going to church etc, or more commonly how are we always so peaceful and cheering. Then the right words will also come. And we have no idea how many people that we will never hear about, are quietly inspired by our kindness and are then led to The Way. Learning to actually Love all of us is by far the most effective way we can spread the Word. We are most sensitive to the power of Love. Eloquent speech and coherent metaphysical bridges are secondary to that. We can always best tell the Christian Story and show its Truth by living it. Yes some of us are called to preach, sing or carve icons and guide others to God in more pronounced ways. And Glory to Him for all these people like Jonathan and JP that give us lectures, books, music and beautiful Bible illustrations to ponder Him. But all of us are called to every day simply show Love and kindness towards strangers, friends and those that go against us. That is most effective and just as noble task as spoken evangelism. I cheer for you discovering Christ. May He guide all of your next steps my friend!
Ohh, this is so interesting. I got baptized into the Orthodox Church like a month ago. Before my baptism I faced a spiritual crisis, and I had two zombie nightmares (I'm a convert from atheism). In the last nightmare, before the zombies eat me, I made the sign of the Cross and started praying the "Our Father" in calm. They got me, and immediately the scene changed to a "Liturgy" with a lot of people, we were walking toward something. It was a great dream.
Very glad to see Jonathan talk to someone in physics. Of all the current academic subjects, I think physics has the most PhDs who are also Christian monastics. We're at the limits of what is explainable using the standard model, and nothing is "really" anything like what modern people thought it was. Matter is solid, well actually it's force fields caused by magnetism, well ACTUALLY it's probabilistic clouds created by tensile vibrations of strings that exist in other spatial dimensions upon the veneer of our realm, and so on. The more we understand about the "deeper" nature of matter, the closer it appears to the medieval model. Quantum field theory resembles Ether far more than it resembles anything in the standard model. Most cutting edge consciousness models depend on quantum relationships between and "above" neurons, which resembles a soul more than the mechanical model of the mind. These models will evolve further, and I imagine they will become even more like the medieval cosmology. And the quantum world is just what's "beneath" us. Imagine the true nature of the more macro dynamics that exist "above" us. I think CS Lewis had the most notable intuition of these things despite the more limited understanding of physics at the time: "What is matter anyway?"
That’s funny that you say that. I majored in astrophysics. I was hoping Astro would give me an understanding of the Universe without God. It did the opposite. Everything pointed to God with Earth being a very special place. Even the constants that exist in our Universe that make it so that life can exist at all. And no one knows why the constants exist except that they’re needed for the equations to work. Or how when I look at a circle, it is the perfect shape with infinite sides and pi has infinite digits. And then everything in the universe is in the form of a sphere. And yet you can easily take the integral of the volume of spheres in multidimensional space. There’s just so much. I thought it would provide an alternative to God for me and instead left me with way more questions.
“As more people come to see the world this way (symbolically and through a Christian lens) it’s going to become harder and harder to document our transition (from nihilism to symbolic thinking)” This has been one of my favorite Jonathan Pageau videos. Life changing stuff! Thank you 🙏
Jonathan this has to be my favourite interview/conversation of yours. I have been missing this bridge to your work from the sciences/philosophy - I have loved your work for years but have a background in reductionistic science (evolutionary biology/genetics) and have been trying to understand the relationship between these worldviews. Iain McGilchrist's work was helpful in this regard and your conversation with him was also fantastic.
Halleluja! Thank you both from the bottom of my heart. This book would have helped me tremendously 5 years ago, but even now I am very much looking forward to it. Especially for "justifying my faith to my peers", as Jonathan put it - being adopted into the Church has been wonderful but also quite isolating so far. Pray for me. Love to everyone in this corner of the internet! Glory to God, sing Halleluja!
I get very intense horror nightmares too and I also have the feeling that pursuing these lines of thought will be the solution. You wouldn't believe how relevant this conversation was to me right now.
I am actually writing that book idea you were talking about Jonathan. It's a historical fiction / magical realism Trilogy which shows the descent into zombieism and the waking up out of that slumber. The Nexus is a Settlement in Colonial America called Girardia and the village begins to divide into Hunters vs Monsters. I think there's a ton it in that you and this community would love. Let me know if you'd ever be interested in hearing more about it, I've put a ton of thought into making this world.
I’m perusing a similar project. Build it, be filled-full with faithfulness, you may even need to build in secret. Then release when it’s time and then, everyone here, and hopefully a whole load of newcomers will ready to receive.
The art for this video perfectly captures my experience of spiritually recovering mostly by listening to you Jonathan. I have a very strong Will to live but eventually the materialistic outlook caught up with me as I progressed through adulthood. Mostly in a kind of sinister undercurrent of ‘what’s the point of anything/everything’. My life has been in a materialistic way pretty cushy- not off my own back but my parents. Psychologically/spiritually I’ve been through A LOT. Now my will to live is not at odds with how I see the world and you have been/are pivotal in this. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. God bless💖💖💖
This is very exciting! I have been on a similar journey as JP in trying to bridge the gap between my love for the physical sciences and this symbolic structure that I see so much value in but find challenging to articulate. I very much look forward to JP's book and can't wait for more content!
I really empathize with the part about seeing people as just an ensemble of atoms. Studied chemistry/chemical engineering and materials, and I think that symbolic thinking has erased the problem so long as I am sane.
No more nightmares, that's great ! Overcoming nightmares with symbolic interpretation is the first "real world" application I've heard. Would like to hear how people apply symbolic interpretation in their world after coming to understand it... Tactical to practical uses. ( let the zombies eat you.... didn't see that one coming: )
Another story you look for regarding the resurrected zombie who is enlightened, “Sonny” which is a turn based strategy game. There have been three versions of Sonny made, an original, a sequel, and a remake.
At one point people would come up to me and tell me they wanted to “pick my brain” about topics I teach about and I had to start telling people. Please don’t say “pick my brain” it really feels like you are eating my brain and it stopped happening as frequently as it was happening. This talk made me think of this
I had an anxiety phase which was very harsh on me when I was like 23 yo. I had different paranoias, but one of them was the "zombie" apocalypse. I always thought it was something very typical of me, because skulls and skeletons are one of my chilhood fears. But now I understand what it was all about, it eventually got really better (from my anxiety) when I got into Jonathan Pageau's and Jordan Peterson's ideas.
I love that movie! There’s a lot going on in it because her name is Julie and his name is R because that’s the all he can remember of his name (which is a nod to a classic story) and in the end, it’s love which saves the day or what turns that which was dead into alive. I was thinking about this trope in a symbolic way and something that Mr. Pageau hints at time to time, which is the power of the foreigner. And in this case in the movie, the zombie was the foreigner and it was this shift in
Sorry. I accidentally hit send. Anyways, I had a question here about the foreigner, which is something like, was the serpent in the story of Adam and Eve the foreigner? Maybe that’s a jump but sometimes it seems like the thing which is most harmful is the thing that is what can save us. Let me know how off I am. Thanks!
I like your question Kevin and also have been meditating for a while on the talking serpent’s part played in the story. In some ways I think we may have an incomplete understanding of his role when we attempt to assign a 100% evil purpose to him and his choices. My concern is that pattern is played out over and over in human history where we fail to fully understand the stranger / foreigner and in doing so incorrectly assume their intentions to be negative, deem them as a threat, deny their inclusion into our communities or worse seek to destroy them. My curiosity stems from Jesus’s teaching for us to love our enemies. If indeed the snake represents the archetype enemy character, what would loving him require of us? Carl Jung’s notion that the world outside us is only a reflection of the world inside us makes me wonder if the shadow we see as the talking serpent in the story may be a projection of a desire that was already present in Adam and Eve, but they were not aware of in themselves so God allowed the truth to manifest as a material example they could see and hear.
I found this guy on Twitter a while back - he too was all about rational scientific reasoning. I happened to discover that he, too, has zombie dreams!!
Hi, Jonathan, In the hopes you see this comment. Is there a danger in a like-homogenity of Christian symbolism/language of creation, as is the case with our more contemporary "scientific" and "neutural" attempts at describing phenomenon? Would that just be "tipping the scale" or an "ascention of the ladder" for society? My intuition tells me there is a tipping point, but the thought is new and wondered if you have any insite on the matter. Thank you!
It is a vampire movie instead of a zombie movie, but the movie Daybreakers has the story plot you are looking for. The vampires have to be baptized in fire and water to be turned back into humans, and then their blood becomes the cure. So people have received the Holy Spirit through baptism are eaten and thereby cure those who eat them. Blessed feast! Christ is baptized in the Jordan!
This is interesting 12:00. I found myself explaining to someone about my uncles job as a youth outreach program leader. I realised I didn't actually ask my uncle if that was what he did. Instead I could see how I pieced together bits of information from different experiences in my own life of engaging with different people to give the one description of what my uncles role involved. Its a fabricated extension of a job not necessarily connected to my uncle's actual role. He could have been the driver lacky for a door knocking coupon scam ring for all I know. But then again he also may have been doing exactly what youth outreach is suppose to do.
Locutus of Borg (TNG) is that zombie story where he willingly gives himself over to the collective to save his people, and then comes back with knowledge no other human possesses
Can't wait for the book to come out, as I seem to be wrestling with similar questions myself: incarnation, perennialism etc. Naive materialism is not really an obstacle - that has been flushed from my system a long time ago after basic philosophy study and confirmed by some spiritual experiences. The obstacle is how on earth do I know which tradition is right, and is there a "right" tradition at all, or are most of them valid paths? I know my life would be more wholesome in every way if I'd return to, say, a Christian faith I born into, but I just can't bring myself to believe everything that a proper Catholic should believe, including even such fundamental beliefs as incarnation. I would feel like such a hypocrite reciting credo just for practical purposes of having a more fulfilled life, a community of good people etc. when I don't really believe in it. I mean, how do you do it? Study theology for 10 years? Just close your eyes and decide to believe a set of dogmas? Pray to God to grant you vision? Or be a hypocrite pragmatist and just join a church because it makes one's life better?
The metaphysics of how things commune is already in the fathers. I'll still read it but i worry it's just going to he catholic metaphysics or some kind of process/hegelian stuff.
Still thankful for the efforts of Jonathan Pageau! Opening up this way of thinking for me. It saved me from the hel of atheism. Interviews like this gives me hope for this zombie like world we live in. May the Truth of Christ shine bright like true Light and let us all rejoice in the glorious resurrection to come. Truthfully getting excited for this new age of opportunity. Getting my blood pumped as an artist!
I wonder if your characterization of zombies as anti-christian has anything to do with why there's an RPG trope of priests/clerics being especially powerful against, of all the potential foe types, the undead? Or maybe it's just because god controls life and death, so he's the obvious choice to solve problems in that domain.
I also thought there may be a meaning variation in the translation. The English word I feel may reflect the spirit of the idea JP was trying to share with “seduce” might be “invite.” We must offer this new way of seeing the world to others, it cannot be forced upon them. They must choose it of their own will. We can help others by making them aware of this new available view, but they must shift their attention (view) of their own will.
I see a lot of myself in this guy. I had a psychic vision at age 18 where every person I saw melted down to the bones and reconstituted themselves. Took me a long time to realize it was the result of an oppressive materialistic philosophy. I stopped having falling into nowhere nightmares after I started seeing the earth as a flat, domed plane too. Christianity I don't think is the final solution, but it's the closest thing to a real ontology that people in the west are going to recognize as "non-foreign." Hinduism is closer to truth, but good luck telling that to your cousin who lives in the mountains...
Not a fan of seducing people into Christianity. Forgive me, that makes it sound like people are being tricked into something. Just my humble opinion, I don't mean to be negative or accusatory 🙏
I understand your position, but think of it this way. I was "seduced" by the woman that became my wife and gave me a family, and I wouldn't consider that being tricked.
Maybe you could paraphrase by saying he was attracted to Christianity, or drawn to it. I think the first language of Pageau and his guest is Quebec French so maybe they're not sensitive to the negative connotations that seduce tends to have.
"Christianity is not a matter of persuading people of particular ideas, but inviting them to share in the greatness of Christ. So pray that I may never fall into the trap of impressing people with clever speech, but instead I may learn to speak with humility, desiring only to impress people with Christ Himself." -St. Ignatius of Antioch
Lots of talk about symbolism: what is that one single thing that all the symbols are ultimately symbols of? Reality itself can’t be a symbol. And can the fullness of Reality really be limited to one symbol, i.e. religion?
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Jonathan, if we pay for this course, will we be able to access the videos and content a few hours after the live course hours? I have school during the live course hours.
Yes, you'll be able to @@lincwhitney
After reading the Language of Creation, I had an epiphany that made the story of Christianity real for me, but it was ineffable. Since then I have been trying to figure out how to bridge that gap. This has led me to read the Fathers and learn to pray and go to church, but that gave me little hope that I could be a proper evangelist in our nihilistic age. I look forward to JP's book.
Hopefully the Orthodox Church!
Powerful
Be encouraged my friend! You can always be a proper evangelist by daily trying to practice the proper Loving attitude to everyone you encounter. That is the most powerful thing there is. Trust me, people notice like mad when Love and Peace is spread around. Even more so when annoyance and grumpiness are the norm, every little spark of light instantly alerts everyone. Think when Jesus enters the Kafarnaum synagogue and everyone is instantly bewildered like "what is this new power-ful teaching that evil spirits fear ??!". The more we let Jesus shine through us the more people notice. Sometimes they might even get curious from afar and approach us to inquire about why we started going to church etc, or more commonly how are we always so peaceful and cheering. Then the right words will also come. And we have no idea how many people that we will never hear about, are quietly inspired by our kindness and are then led to The Way. Learning to actually Love all of us is by far the most effective way we can spread the Word. We are most sensitive to the power of Love. Eloquent speech and coherent metaphysical bridges are secondary to that. We can always best tell the Christian Story and show its Truth by living it. Yes some of us are called to preach, sing or carve icons and guide others to God in more pronounced ways. And Glory to Him for all these people like Jonathan and JP that give us lectures, books, music and beautiful Bible illustrations to ponder Him. But all of us are called to every day simply show Love and kindness towards strangers, friends and those that go against us. That is most effective and just as noble task as spoken evangelism.
I cheer for you discovering Christ. May He guide all of your next steps my friend!
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Man, where can I hear more of this guy? I studied math in university and I find his approach resonates with me.
He has his own channel and also works on the Symbolic World blog.
Ohh, this is so interesting. I got baptized into the Orthodox Church like a month ago. Before my baptism I faced a spiritual crisis, and I had two zombie nightmares (I'm a convert from atheism). In the last nightmare, before the zombies eat me, I made the sign of the Cross and started praying the "Our Father" in calm. They got me, and immediately the scene changed to a "Liturgy" with a lot of people, we were walking toward something. It was a great dream.
Thats awesome
Great
That is really beautiful.
Very glad to see Jonathan talk to someone in physics. Of all the current academic subjects, I think physics has the most PhDs who are also Christian monastics.
We're at the limits of what is explainable using the standard model, and nothing is "really" anything like what modern people thought it was.
Matter is solid, well actually it's force fields caused by magnetism, well ACTUALLY it's probabilistic clouds created by tensile vibrations of strings that exist in other spatial dimensions upon the veneer of our realm, and so on.
The more we understand about the "deeper" nature of matter, the closer it appears to the medieval model. Quantum field theory resembles Ether far more than it resembles anything in the standard model. Most cutting edge consciousness models depend on quantum relationships between and "above" neurons, which resembles a soul more than the mechanical model of the mind. These models will evolve further, and I imagine they will become even more like the medieval cosmology.
And the quantum world is just what's "beneath" us. Imagine the true nature of the more macro dynamics that exist "above" us.
I think CS Lewis had the most notable intuition of these things despite the more limited understanding of physics at the time: "What is matter anyway?"
That’s funny that you say that. I majored in astrophysics. I was hoping Astro would give me an understanding of the Universe without God. It did the opposite. Everything pointed to God with Earth being a very special place.
Even the constants that exist in our Universe that make it so that life can exist at all. And no one knows why the constants exist except that they’re needed for the equations to work.
Or how when I look at a circle, it is the perfect shape with infinite sides and pi has infinite digits. And then everything in the universe is in the form of a sphere. And yet you can easily take the integral of the volume of spheres in multidimensional space.
There’s just so much. I thought it would provide an alternative to God for me and instead left me with way more questions.
This guy gets it
Very very clear in thought
“As more people come to see the world this way (symbolically and through a Christian lens) it’s going to become harder and harder to document our transition (from nihilism to symbolic thinking)”
This has been one of my favorite Jonathan Pageau videos. Life changing stuff! Thank you 🙏
Jonathan this has to be my favourite interview/conversation of yours. I have been missing this bridge to your work from the sciences/philosophy - I have loved your work for years but have a background in reductionistic science (evolutionary biology/genetics) and have been trying to understand the relationship between these worldviews. Iain McGilchrist's work was helpful in this regard and your conversation with him was also fantastic.
Halleluja! Thank you both from the bottom of my heart. This book would have helped me tremendously 5 years ago, but even now I am very much looking forward to it. Especially for "justifying my faith to my peers", as Jonathan put it - being adopted into the Church has been wonderful but also quite isolating so far. Pray for me. Love to everyone in this corner of the internet! Glory to God, sing Halleluja!
I get very intense horror nightmares too and I also have the feeling that pursuing these lines of thought will be the solution. You wouldn't believe how relevant this conversation was to me right now.
I am actually writing that book idea you were talking about Jonathan. It's a historical fiction / magical realism Trilogy which shows the descent into zombieism and the waking up out of that slumber. The Nexus is a Settlement in Colonial America called Girardia and the village begins to divide into Hunters vs Monsters. I think there's a ton it in that you and this community would love. Let me know if you'd ever be interested in hearing more about it, I've put a ton of thought into making this world.
I’m perusing a similar project. Build it, be filled-full with faithfulness, you may even need to build in secret. Then release when it’s time and then, everyone here, and hopefully a whole load of newcomers will ready to receive.
I'm writing a similar story, too, but not historical. There could be more of us. Many people are noticing what's happening in the world.
I'm also very inspired by this podcast because I'm currently working on a historical zombie story as well
Wonderful! I wish you writers all the very best.
The art for this video perfectly captures my experience of spiritually recovering mostly by listening to you Jonathan. I have a very strong Will to live but eventually the materialistic outlook caught up with me as I progressed through adulthood. Mostly in a kind of sinister undercurrent of ‘what’s the point of anything/everything’. My life has been in a materialistic way pretty cushy- not off my own back but my parents. Psychologically/spiritually I’ve been through A LOT. Now my will to live is not at odds with how I see the world and you have been/are pivotal in this. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. God bless💖💖💖
Love the discussion. Thank you gentlemen.
This is very exciting! I have been on a similar journey as JP in trying to bridge the gap between my love for the physical sciences and this symbolic structure that I see so much value in but find challenging to articulate. I very much look forward to JP's book and can't wait for more content!
I really empathize with the part about seeing people as just an ensemble of atoms. Studied chemistry/chemical engineering and materials, and I think that symbolic thinking has erased the problem so long as I am sane.
Can't do the class, but really want to pre-order the book!
Practicing intonation through the harmonic-overtone series is the way to practice perception towards the absolute moral good.
Oh hey
The set, Crystalline, symmetrical system of equal temperament is a zombie
No more nightmares, that's great !
Overcoming nightmares with symbolic interpretation is the first "real world" application I've heard.
Would like to hear how people apply symbolic interpretation in their world after coming to understand it...
Tactical to practical uses.
( let the zombies eat you.... didn't see that one coming: )
Man I had such horrible nightmares as a kid. Still do sometimes. Lately I've just gotten used to it.
Make that story make it!!!!!! That zombie story sounds amazing!
Can’t wait to hopefully pick up my copy of the book at the Summit!
JP is really brilliant. I cannot wait for the book! I hope he's publishing it in English!
Amen
thank you gents ❤👊
I'm looking forward to the book.
I look forward to reading your book. Do you have any thoughts on Vervaeke/UTOK's Transcendent Naturalism?
Wat een fantasie!!!
Another story you look for regarding the resurrected zombie who is enlightened, “Sonny” which is a turn based strategy game. There have been three versions of Sonny made, an original, a sequel, and a remake.
This is awesome. Jonathan needs to get Gaven Kerr on here
At one point people would come up to me and tell me they wanted to “pick my brain” about topics I teach about and I had to start telling people. Please don’t say “pick my brain” it really feels like you are eating my brain and it stopped happening as frequently as it was happening.
This talk made me think of this
I had an anxiety phase which was very harsh on me when I was like 23 yo. I had different paranoias, but one of them was the "zombie" apocalypse. I always thought it was something very typical of me, because skulls and skeletons are one of my chilhood fears. But now I understand what it was all about, it eventually got really better (from my anxiety) when I got into Jonathan Pageau's and Jordan Peterson's ideas.
Thanks
I love that movie! There’s a lot going on in it because her name is Julie and his name is R because that’s the all he can remember of his name (which is a nod to a classic story) and in the end, it’s love which saves the day or what turns that which was dead into alive. I was thinking about this trope in a symbolic way and something that Mr. Pageau hints at time to time, which is the power of the foreigner. And in this case in the movie, the zombie was the foreigner and it was this shift in
Sorry. I accidentally hit send. Anyways, I had a question here about the foreigner, which is something like, was the serpent in the story of Adam and Eve the foreigner? Maybe that’s a jump but sometimes it seems like the thing which is most harmful is the thing that is what can save us. Let me know how off I am. Thanks!
I like your question Kevin and also have been meditating for a while on the talking serpent’s part played in the story. In some ways I think we may have an incomplete understanding of his role when we attempt to assign a 100% evil purpose to him and his choices. My concern is that pattern is played out over and over in human history where we fail to fully understand the stranger / foreigner and in doing so incorrectly assume their intentions to be negative, deem them as a threat, deny their inclusion into our communities or worse seek to destroy them.
My curiosity stems from Jesus’s teaching for us to love our enemies. If indeed the snake represents the archetype enemy character, what would loving him require of us?
Carl Jung’s notion that the world outside us is only a reflection of the world inside us makes me wonder if the shadow we see as the talking serpent in the story may be a projection of a desire that was already present in Adam and Eve, but they were not aware of in themselves so God allowed the truth to manifest as a material example they could see and hear.
Looking forward to the book! Is there gonna be a french translation?
I found this guy on Twitter a while back - he too was all about rational scientific reasoning. I happened to discover that he, too, has zombie dreams!!
Hold on let that man cook! Jeez he explained that journey in hd
Older daughter of the Church - Resurrected
Hi, Jonathan,
In the hopes you see this comment. Is there a danger in a like-homogenity of Christian symbolism/language of creation, as is the case with our more contemporary "scientific" and "neutural" attempts at describing phenomenon? Would that just be "tipping the scale" or an "ascention of the ladder" for society? My intuition tells me there is a tipping point, but the thought is new and wondered if you have any insite on the matter. Thank you!
I would love to hear Forrest Landry talk to Jonathan.
It is a vampire movie instead of a zombie movie, but the movie Daybreakers has the story plot you are looking for. The vampires have to be baptized in fire and water to be turned back into humans, and then their blood becomes the cure. So people have received the Holy Spirit through baptism are eaten and thereby cure those who eat them.
Blessed feast! Christ is baptized in the Jordan!
This is interesting 12:00. I found myself explaining to someone about my uncles job as a youth outreach program leader. I realised I didn't actually ask my uncle if that was what he did. Instead I could see how I pieced together bits of information from different experiences in my own life of engaging with different people to give the one description of what my uncles role involved. Its a fabricated extension of a job not necessarily connected to my uncle's actual role. He could have been the driver lacky for a door knocking coupon scam ring for all I know. But then again he also may have been doing exactly what youth outreach is suppose to do.
Is it possible to create a symbolic calculator?
I would buy a book on symbolic world metaphysics. I would hope it is strongly influenced by orthodox church fathers, but Id buy anyway
What books do you have on the shelves behind you Jonathan, besides St Ephraim & St Maximus.
@@piquant7103 where do you see that?
@@piquant7103 interesting.. I have not read any DBH but I do have his study of the new testament on my list
Locutus of Borg (TNG) is that zombie story where he willingly gives himself over to the collective to save his people, and then comes back with knowledge no other human possesses
JP's argument is literally the Christian version of Bernardo Kastrup's.
What is the title of Marceau's book, and when will it be officially available?
Can't wait for the book to come out, as I seem to be wrestling with similar questions myself: incarnation, perennialism etc. Naive materialism is not really an obstacle - that has been flushed from my system a long time ago after basic philosophy study and confirmed by some spiritual experiences. The obstacle is how on earth do I know which tradition is right, and is there a "right" tradition at all, or are most of them valid paths? I know my life would be more wholesome in every way if I'd return to, say, a Christian faith I born into, but I just can't bring myself to believe everything that a proper Catholic should believe, including even such fundamental beliefs as incarnation. I would feel like such a hypocrite reciting credo just for practical purposes of having a more fulfilled life, a community of good people etc. when I don't really believe in it.
I mean, how do you do it? Study theology for 10 years? Just close your eyes and decide to believe a set of dogmas? Pray to God to grant you vision? Or be a hypocrite pragmatist and just join a church because it makes one's life better?
Is there any way we can get notified when the book will release?
This seems to be a very technical and theoretical approach Where is the connection to deep symbolic is humanistic knowledge
Zombie nightmares? Yaaa… ditto. Maybe not as frequent, but some of the clearest dream symbolism I’ve ever had, at least now, after Pageau & Vervaeke.
The metaphysics of how things commune is already in the fathers. I'll still read it but i worry it's just going to he catholic metaphysics or some kind of process/hegelian stuff.
I also saw a Korean comic about love bringing a girl zombie back to life, but I've only read the beginning, so can't say how did that happen.
Interesting
if you record the lectures, I would pay for them. Also the Beowulf lectures. But I can’t join the class.
Yeah, everything will be recorded 👍
George st Pierre’s brother is pretty sharp
💞
Amazing zombie story 🤓
Esoterica-go-round
Shh, just enjoy it.
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It's over my head tbh
@@ByDesign333 Also under your head XD
@notloki4169 make sense if you will pls.
@@ByDesign333 if something is a universal pattern it's both above and under your head. It was a joke.
Still thankful for the efforts of Jonathan Pageau! Opening up this way of thinking for me. It saved me from the hel of atheism. Interviews like this gives me hope for this zombie like world we live in. May the Truth of Christ shine bright like true Light and let us all rejoice in the glorious resurrection to come.
Truthfully getting excited for this new age of opportunity. Getting my blood pumped as an artist!
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I wonder if your characterization of zombies as anti-christian has anything to do with why there's an RPG trope of priests/clerics being especially powerful against, of all the potential foe types, the undead? Or maybe it's just because god controls life and death, so he's the obvious choice to solve problems in that domain.
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Love this, but I'm wondering is "seduced" is the best word for JP to be using XD
Ooof thanks for pointing this out, I just learned that it doesn't have quite the same connotation as in French 😅
I also thought there may be a meaning variation in the translation. The English word I feel may reflect the spirit of the idea JP was trying to share with “seduce” might be “invite.”
We must offer this new way of seeing the world to others, it cannot be forced upon them. They must choose it of their own will. We can help others by making them aware of this new available view, but they must shift their attention (view) of their own will.
I guess in romantic terms "to woo" is the neutral/positive equivalent word for the negative "to seduce".
kung fu panda 3 solves it in some manner.
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When we eat Christ's body, his body grows. Never thought about that.
Read Book of the New Sun, see if those nightmares come back 😂
Christ offers his body to be eaten… by his body (the church)…
Is ouroboros symbolism being transcended here?
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I see a lot of myself in this guy.
I had a psychic vision at age 18 where every person I saw melted down to the bones and reconstituted themselves. Took me a long time to realize it was the result of an oppressive materialistic philosophy.
I stopped having falling into nowhere nightmares after I started seeing the earth as a flat, domed plane too.
Christianity I don't think is the final solution, but it's the closest thing to a real ontology that people in the west are going to recognize as "non-foreign." Hinduism is closer to truth, but good luck telling that to your cousin who lives in the mountains...
a flat domed plane helped you with nowhere nightmares.... k bud
You're still stuck in a materialistic philosophical framework if you're considering "mere Christianity" as a solution.
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@@lemon__snicker5973 can you explain what you mean by that?
@@notloki3377 Sure, it's the Truth. Not a moralistic or philosophical set of rules that work.
Enoch, Abraham, David, and Paul certainly don't self identify as Space Monkeys, as they sit atop the firmament now
Do you identify as dirt? Yet you are made from dirt, and to dirt we shall return.
Not a fan of seducing people into Christianity. Forgive me, that makes it sound like people are being tricked into something. Just my humble opinion, I don't mean to be negative or accusatory 🙏
I understand your position, but think of it this way. I was "seduced" by the woman that became my wife and gave me a family, and I wouldn't consider that being tricked.
Seduction can be for good or evil. Christianity, proper, is a force of not just good, but reality itself.
Maybe you could paraphrase by saying he was attracted to Christianity, or drawn to it. I think the first language of Pageau and his guest is Quebec French so maybe they're not sensitive to the negative connotations that seduce tends to have.
Jonathan often talks of seduction, it is just we frame the word as a negative thing, because we are thinking in a post modern mindset.@@js1817
"Christianity is not a matter of persuading people of particular ideas, but inviting them to share in the greatness of Christ. So pray that I may never fall into the trap of impressing people with clever speech, but instead I may learn to speak with humility, desiring only to impress people with Christ Himself." -St. Ignatius of Antioch
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Thanks for doing this in English, not that other GOBBLEDYGOOK
Lots of talk about symbolism: what is that one single thing that all the symbols are ultimately symbols of? Reality itself can’t be a symbol. And can the fullness of Reality really be limited to one symbol, i.e. religion?
I will write the redemptive zombie book. Interestingly, it's already in the works.
I call pop-quantum physics "Randomness in the Gaps" lol
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