Draft Deep Dive! How to Play HotS w/ Grubby's Bootcamp - Heroes of the Storm Guide for Beginners
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- A new clip from Grubby's HotS Bootcamp is here and it's time to take out two birds with one stone! As part of a replay analysis section of the stream, the professor takes us on a draft deep dive to show that even after a crap draft, there is still hope for a turnaround!
Draft Deep Dive! How to Play HotS w/ Grubby's Bootcamp - Heroes of the Storm Guide for Beginners
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7 Minute 200 stacks azmo, that's insanely good !!
Grubby im so glad u are back playing hots
As a tank and Diablo main it hurt my soul watching this Diablo. Getting killed all the time due to bad engages. Could see it from the start when he charged Garrosh on the vision point... That's suicide. And the Dva player.. Jeeez. Anyway thanks for the vid Grubby
I'm sad Grub had to watch this, peak toxicity in a match where only toxic player is the guilty.
That aside, nice commentary, these vods help me a lot, I've been plat for several seasons and now I'm trying to make a push to diamond, and Grubby's bootcamp is helping me a lot on game analysis
The toxic player is *always* the bad one. By default.
I have yet to play a game where the toxic player is actually right, has a good point, exhibits proper skills and just unloads onto a bad player. It sounds like a standard scenario, like the veteran demolishing the newbie, but that never happens. Not once. It doesn't. Ever.
The person who talks shit is *always the worst* to second-worst of the group. D.Va here had the Diablo shield of death to shed off responsibility, so it can be argued that D.Va might not be the worst because Diablo is, but D.Va is nowhere near even average. The D.Va player here is absolute garbage. And that's consistent in all the games I've played and seen. The person who talks shit is always the garbage player.
On the other hand, if you watch Grubby or Fan or any other pro gamer play, they are zen incarnate. The way Grubby handles this stream is inhuman. He's like a god, a Mister Manhattan, detached from the salt. I am boiling inside at the intentional throw by the D.Va player and I was actually rooting for Blue.
It's 100% rate for me so far. Low sample size but absolute consistency. If someone starts typing shit, I will bet money on that person being the main reason for an incoming defeat, every time, without knowing more. The second someone starts talking nonsense for the sake of insult, that's a series of intentional throws about to happen.
The toxic player is always the bad one. And I know there are a bunch of people queuing up to say they're really toxic but also really good. Going "stop feeding the Butcher" is not toxic, it's just weak advice. And if you're actually toxic to a fault, I guarantee that you're not good. I guarantee it.
Dva too busy playing Heroes of the Typing of the Dead
Hope the DVA player watches this analysis and feels embarrassed...and realise how he/she ruined the morale of the team completely.
At around 15 mins, fan just went over rhis too.
Making decisions is what wins games.
Just because obj is up make right decisions. “If my team needs help i’ll clean far lane then mid lane this way my lanes push forward and they lose soak, then i’ll join once we get a few kills or lose a few i’ll go hit the lanes again and come back for reset.... this way We’re always gaining advantage.”
whats crazy is he said “I LITERALLY DO THIS EVERY GAME but nobody notice cause i dont explain it like i am now”
xD
Is a Grubby vid more effective than Heroes reporting system on reduction of toxic behaviors?
My favorite game I ever played was one with a teammate like this dVa. He threw a fit and went afk, we won the game 4v5 and I taunted him the whole time.
However, he was not humbled. He didn't learn, and will undoubtedly re-offend. This was a 1-in-a-million chance that I will never see again.
Remember that each of these players likely has some other problem affecting them that no amount of cheerleading and/or forced lessons will overcome. They only have power over you if you listen and let them. Just mute. Do what you can. You're not responsible for other people making thenselves miserable, but you can stop them from making you miserable.
DVA at the end, lol: "not bad for a 4v5"
Yeah, the rest of the team did pretty well since you were afk typing and complaining the whole game. :'D
Never be that toxic person. It doesn't help anyone. If you meet someone like that mute and then report after the game. Hopefully they'll learn their lesson, but most of them won't.
nah dibbels was kinda running it down so more 3v7
poor cass.
Legit amazing video. I know everyone is focusing on the DVa but we need to realize. This team set themselves up to win this game in a very specific way.
Simply put, not every comp can reliably 5v5
Always mute the toxic player! No need losing focus or confidence in a winnable game :)
(also, a part of me always hopes that a toxic player featured in a video like this will see the video...)
What sucks is im usually the toxic =[. Lol
Yesterday played with vikings and i was baz. I just wanted to stack
About 3/4 into game there goes vikings “wth stop diving, bro u suck goo, why u go spiders if you cant hit a zombie wall” im thinking “im soaking...... i strong hero 20 🤦🏻♂️”. Just muted him lol
Cause he was actually in the wrong
Not once did he use Vikings to soak, he kept them as 3 in 1 lane all game....... like uh....
Yea just quick "report for toxicity" and then go on. I like it they made it so this auto mutes the person for you. And if enouth people do this, they just get global muted by the game
im usually the toxic player .... but sadly i am also the one telling my dudes not to 1 v5 for no reason so i dont feel bad
Please remember that typing takes away from your apm, which means you're contributing less over the course of the game. Make sure that everything you type is a worthwhile contribution towards winning the match. Also, don't type things you can effectively communicate through pings.
I know 100% that you are right, but if the worst player in the team starts insulting you, sometimes it just triggers me. I miss the "mute whole team" option at the start of the game.
@@DunkelheitVZ Mute exactly the worst player who insults you. Nobody else. Just that one. Immediately, without response. There is never a point in keeping that channel open. "Sorry for lashing out there, guys, I suddenly changed my entire character and am now willing to contribute" never happens. Immediately mute and move on.
You can obviously turn off chat entirely but I personally don't recommend it. If you get a nice group of people who talk strategy, it sucks (for them) if you ignore their entire thing.
Thanks Grubby, you are a ray of light in the otherwise murky environment of of storm league!
"Thank you azmo"
what a clown fiesta, i hope the D.va player gets to see this so he/she understands how much of a clown he/she is.
Can't believe that the red team was outsoaked by the blue team 😂
That dva player playes like bronce or maybe low silver player 🙈
I’ve really been enjoying these bootcamp videos. It’s been helping me in a lot of ways and opening my eyes on how to play the game.
When someone with high mobility expects everyone to be just as fast as you lol. The problem is that there's a massive lack of comms. If you're planning such an attack on someone you should comms.
If people are reluctant to comms then don't expect others to follow up. Sorry we're not all mind readers.
Cant believe thats a plat1 game, damn, im I that bad as those guys..that Diablo had no idea when to engage
Same. I just made new acc to learn Yrel on lower leagues. I am gold 4 on main but was plat 2 once few years ago before quiting the game.
Now I am gold 3 on "smurf" which isn't rly smurf anymore and I ahve 67% win rate with 70 matches. When I watch this there is no difference between silvers and plat 1... Mayby littlebit better hearoe control and stutterstepping.
dude i finally reached plat 3 like 3 weeks ago and immediately dropped back down to gold 1 because i kept getting nothing but teammates like that dva and diablo. It always amazes me how players like them get higher ranks than me when i know damn well i'm way better than they are mechanically and knowledge wise, but can't rank up because of them being so brain dead
@@Gu3ssWhatsN3XT Their skill lvl on best heroe is probably better tha their rank but they play multiple heroes and lose games like a noob. You just had a chance to see them in a losing game. When I played Johana/ETC/Sonya I had 60% win rate with all of them, but I liked Falstad which I had 40%. If you see me on falstad you would probably say "nooooB" but on ETC easy 3~5 man mosh winning games. :)
It was weird and sad to see how red team with a bigger advantage on wave clear NEVER tried to play the lanes
This is still helpful today
Actually it took me 27 min and 30 seconds to clear a map as Azmodan, by just spawning generals from base. But I was summoning them on different lanes. I think it could've been faster had I focused on a single one.
Xul and D.Va toxic. Diablo feeding. This team cant save themselves even if they had the best draft. The players were already doomed to fail with their personalities.
Did these tanks make Grubby’s wife so angry that the G-Man had to do an in-depth break down on how wrong they were?
That Dva deserves one month of BAN for ranked, maybe even for quickmatch, to wake up refresh his/her head. Amount of blaming is absurd.
Nova waveclear at 20 is 12/10 with snipe build and double precision. She can keep up top 3 lanes clear from anywhere while earning XP and bribe stacks. A stacked Q can basically clear an entire wave.
Forgotten Autos too bad waveclear isn’t very important at 20 and using your ult to clear lanes instead of killing enemies makes her a much worse teamfighter.
@@tni333 u rite. Clearing mercs and saving keeps isn't important at all during end game. And what Nova needs to bribe tons of camps anyways since lane pushing isn't important as you so astutely pointed out. Also, holding onto to 2 charges of an Ult that comes off cd super quickly when you're not team fighting is optimizing that micro strat.
That's like saying Medivh is 12/10 Wave clear because his Q 1-shots the wave and he can teleport/fly from lane to lane.
@@chartabona LOL no, that's not saying the same thing. For one, Medivh has to actually be in the lane to clear waves and earn XP. Nova can clear a wave anywhere on the map, earn the XP, and earn bribe stacks. She can do this twice. She can also snipe a wave she is next to, which allows her to do 3x as much as Medivh can do without being far from the team. So yes, Medivh can clean a single wave quickly, Nova has many more benefits to her kit on a global scale that Medivh simple doesn't have. Three times the wave clear, XP gathering, camp bribing, and she can stay near the team (so she is safe and useful).
Can’t tell if youre just trolling or really this stupid. Either way, have fun picking nova for waveclear and have a nice life
that dva is the typical example of the guy who farmed silver HL for 3 years then got into gold5 and he now knows everything. :D I swear during my climbs on smurfs, low gold is the most toxic place with the most clueless people, always. At least you on bronze people just laugh or have no clue what is happening.
Not always though. Had a talk with a Bronze player when I first started SL who bragged about his hundreds of games and that he's stuck in Bronze only because of new players like me. I think ego transcends rank.
@@LootFragg yeah, most low rank people blame the team on the losses when you can literally carry 1v9 below gold in 90% of the games.. If you are better than them, that is. I doubt anyone stuck on bronze or silver has a rightful claim that he does not belong there.. Even diamond and master games are horrible since 2018. I don't even want to be on master, I dropped to plat1 5 times with the rank decay now but I just go back up when I don't even tryhard anymore. HOTS ranked is a joke.
There are too many "DVAs"... I wish I could make a compilation of all the players that lose one team fight and want to give up after 6mins playing...
I'm in gold and I feel like I can't go one match without people b*ing at each other. even when we're winning. I got flamed an entire game, we won AND I got mvp. It takes the fun out of the game
That is absolutely true and I can only recommend immediately muting unconstructive players and reporting toxic ones. Like instantly, as soon as someone goes: "gostgaming wtf no healing noob [ping]", you just immediately mute with an abusive text chat report and move on. Treat the rest of the game as if nobody ever said anything.
I'm just saying that because you said you got flamed an entire game, whereas I in your position wouldn't have known. I would have only seen the first sentence and then that player being afk from time to time. Mute people. Deliberately, often, directly, without hesitation. There is no harm in it. There is never a case where I accidentally call you an idiot only to apologize right afterwards and start talking deep strategy. Instant mute because all that ever comes out of a toxic player's mouth (or hands) is more toxic stuff. There is never good advice in there. And you don't want to distract yourself with things that aren't game-related.
Grubby actually gets on azmodan's side two minutes after the lvl 1 team fight. Azmo getting a kill 2min later has nothing to do with that fight.
D'va wrong for attacking xul.
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Lol plat game playing like a bronze 5 lol
Don't insult bronze 5
i've seen better players at bronze 5
When I was climbing, it's not that bad cuz I kinda one of those dunno, just not as toxic. But after I got to master and play smurf, i felt like 9/10 ppl are doing dunno stuff and flaming me hard for not feeding with them. I mean I may be a pepega compared to high gms and pro player, but I'm pretty sure I know a lot more than just aram and OBJ
like your analysis Grubby!
and about the game, imo that diablo so bad is a feeder, dva is toxic but he might be good player yet he is too emotional and impulsive and made bad plays, xul if u cant kill minions super fast and double push hard then ur a failure as xul, malfurion was ok, and azmodan play was okay too, they were loosing hard and there wasnt much to doo, btw the red draft is awful
SmokuZPotoku lol, pozdro dla grających Polaków 😀
"4v5 azmo full hp he bad because he is playing exactly as his character is intended to play lmao i suck so i bully him so that my mediocrity is unseen" this kind of guy is the worst. Most likely hardstuck because he fails to recognize his mistakes and blames others for them. If azmo is full hp that's for the better. An azmo with no hp can't do shit in melee ranged.
I want to mute the D.VA so hard she starts typing in sign language
I hope Missjenny sees this and sees what an ass she made of herself.
Nah I get at min 2 dvas a game
The delusion of that Dva player, Diablo was basically inting too but at least he didn't type. That Dva is a player who understands the game the least thinking he understands the game the most. How do these players get away with having no self awareness whatsoever? I gotta say boosted or one trick playing off champ, no one who actually belongs in that rank would actually be that awful.
Hi Grubby do you have an advice for someone who get tilted very easly in situations like this:
lvl 15v16, I just pinged to take camp and type "skip obj, soak 16" 3 people responded well then a Cassia goes 1v5 on obj and die.
She ended game with 9 deaths. I tilted after this 1v5 and start toxic typing like "Dont be a moron, stop suiciding" I know this doesnt help but its so frustrating when people do such mistakes. Disabling chat helps with that but then I cant give good calls. Most of times I know better what to do cos I like the strategic aspect of the games (was a WoT shotcaller) so I would like to have that option to at least say "soak xp plz, dont fight".
A good advice is NEVER curse in chat. Use no foul language, ever. It makes the other more toxic and it tilts you more as well (just like you automatically feel better when smiling). Try to alter your approach. Know that there are players out there doing stupid stuff. If you see one like it, try typing (politely!!) and asking them to not make such mistakes. Be specific. Type preferably while travelling across the map so that it doesn't interfere with other actions too much.
Another piece of advice would be to give objectives instead of denying them. Say what you want, not what you don't want. You did this in general, but if you notice a bad or griefing player, try giving them an assignment. Don't get stuck on the lost objective. Think ahead and consider what's next -- they will push and take keep, likely. Cassia will spawn once they're through the wall. What can Cassia do then that is most helpful, considering it's not the brightest mind we're dealing with?
It is not your responsibility to babysit but it CAN help. "Cassia, once you revive, can you stick to me (Diablo)? I need a damage dealer." It sounds like hand-holding, I know. It should have been obvious from the start. Nobody in their right mind would not understand it. But here we have this exceptional situation of an overly tired, maybe stressed out middle-aged housewife on meds playing like shit on crappy wi-fi and you can either start a fight with her over the internet, or you can try to direct her. She obviously can't figure it out on her own.
ESPECIALLY when dealing with potentially new players Bronze to Gold, you won't believe how useful direct advice can be. Instead of saying "don't die", say "stay behind me and wait for my signal". Instead of saying "be useful", say "can you help Li Li do the hard camp?" When I was new, nobody gave a fuuuck about helping me out, even when I asked. I got used to not giving advice, assuming everybody already knew their shit. Eventually, I accidentally asked people to do stuff and some of them willingly and thankfully followed and I realized, shit, some of these players are me. I used to be in their shoes. Being placed in Silver but damn, what do I do now?
That Cassia ignored your calls. But that actually happened to me as well. Sometimes I don't realize someone typing in chat. And because of the sheer amount of random ping noise, I got conditioned to rarely follow pings. And imagine a new player reading "soak xp, dont fight". They literally don't understand what you mean. Again, not your fault, but it's a bit to consider. General game-state info is great for advanced players. "20" makes me look at the XP bar and realize we're close to 20 and should soak. But for a beginner or casual player, it doesn't mean anything. "Come here and help me with giants" makes sense though. "Stay behind gate, don't get baited". "Go back behind fort, let me pull Punisher" is better than "dont suicide into immo wtf", even though both mean the same thing.
So give jobs. Doesn't work for everyone and you'll sometimes get pushback from some jerk who hates being told what to do and has already smoked a cigarette which makes him cool, so don't tell him what to do, MOM. But there is a significant amount of players who respond well to being bossed around with direct orders that have a neutral or friendly tone. This is in line with "real-life" in that people respond better to "DO THIS" than to "DON'T DO THAT". Can't have laws but not the structure in place to abide them.
In the game, every player thinks they're doing the best possible thing. Cassia thinks she's ... stalling. Or... whatever. Cassia believes in herself. Telling Cassia to not do that one thing means Cassia can't do anything else. What is Cassia supposed to do, go afk at spawn? That would be dumb. So your advice is bad to Cassia. Cassia knows that trying to win Obj 1v5 is better than going afk forever, so you don't know nuffin, Jon Snow.
Give that player an alternative, a really definitive alternate path. "Cassia, go mid, please, we need you." Now Cassia has to decide between valiantly fighting an army at the choke or doing whatever it is you told Cassia to do. It sounds so dull because Cassia had that option before you said anything. But Cassia seemingly did not consider it, so spell it out for her and don't be ashamed to repeat the basics.
It is often very helpful to really just drop all of your Fan-Grubby-NotParadox advanced knowledge and imagine you're playing with random adult husbands after a work shift. They know that Cassia throws spears and they might know you need to move to keep armor. But do they know about double soaking, freezing waves, stalling vs committing, lane pressure, team composition shenanigans and whatnot? They know the tutorial which tells them: "Ignore soak [it really does, it ... it actually tells them to ignore the minions and focus on killing] and like, run straight to the arrow we draw here". And that's exactly what they'll do. But then you come in and say: "I have this nifty idea that just might work, who's with me?" And it looks SO much better than a "fucking stop feeding", even if the latter is absolutely correct.
I've seen much better players stuck in Bronze, this is just sad
whenever i see these kind of players they just get to me man, theres no helping it i turn into this absolute rage machine and let the game die and everybody blames me, i know im partially at fault because i should just mute them but i cant let people throw shit at me and just take it and be nice to them while they are blackmailing and flaming.
I absolutely feel you. What's hard to see is the 3 quiet people in the background. You can either shield them, join them, stand up for them, support them, because you want your players to be like them, or you can engage the 1 asshole because you don't care for the 3 others and really, you love beefing with idiots more than playing with non-idiots. That's really the situation and it helps to visualize that before any game.
I am playing a game with a bunch of good people and a bunch of bad people. Which side do I want to support? Do I want to beef with the bad people and cause trouble for the good people? Or do I want to play with the good people and ignore the bad people? You can only ever do one, so that's what you decide, before any game, during any game, in every situation where someone pisses you off. That guy over yonder needs an ass-kicking. Do I want to abandon my post and roll in the dirt with that cunt, thereby making everything worse for the other guys? Or do I want to stay with the other guys and just... give up the mud play this time?
Always easier said than done, I know. I can't consistently do it. But that's the gist. It's not about you and that asshat over there. It's about you and the friendlies you're involving. I mean, you know it, in a way, judging by your self-aware post, but I don't know if you truly think of those other peeps trying their best to play a normal game. People like you, trying to have a good game for once. It seems to help me sometimes, to assume everyone to be good, until someone talks shit, I mute them and consider the other people good (until they start talking shit). And if I have anyone there to fight for, such as the random amount of good people, I'll stick around and try my best and ignore the idiot, even if I'm raging inside.
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How is that guy platinum🤦♂️ he is worse than a bronze 5. Hope he gets banned
At the start of the game Diablo charged garrosh only d'va tried to help. Then d'va worked Jaina down to almost nothing. Jaina gets to her fort but a hell dunk would have killed her.
i mean, anyone who WILLINGLY picks Dva is already pretty bad at the game
That's what I'm talking about. Everyone made up there minds at draft.
The thing is. Your are a GM player. That DVa CANNOT understand, in the moment, what is good or bad, value wise.
Most players know only 1 way to play. Making every game is played in that same "bubble". Usually something like. Fight mid, fight obj, get kills = win the game. Essentially, relying on a late game team fight + obj to win. Not realizing that every team comp has win conditions. Too bad he only realized this as the game was over when he says " if azmo gets 400 we win".
Had he realized this at the start of the game, he would have respected the azmo playstyle and adapted his game to facilitate that. But, because Blizzard sucks at teaching strategy and modern schools and society sucks at teaching critical thinking, we end up with some very ignorant people, incapable of seeing "the big picture". Leading them to misinterpret the actions and results they observe.
This is true in Hots and real life. To be wise is to understand this and then re-adapt your approach to take into account human limitations.
This is the part that sucks and why I only play ranked with a 5stacks: In lower than diamond ranks, you need to adapt to the worst/dumbest player's intellectual, strategical and mechanical limitations to get the actual real win% of your "accurate" analysis of the situation and best actions.
Great vids 👍
The D.Va player is so toxic. -_-
So what I'm seeing is; d.va thinks they are the leader but has killed any chance of that. D is diving Squishies with no back up. Diablo is too. The game would have been better if D,VA and Diablo were on the same page.
Funny how Grubby is hating on D'va and he already said he hates the toon. Xul didn't like D'va either. "We lost this game in draft. From the first minute."
Azmodan not dunking Jaina for the kill started it all.
so what you're saying is you're the toxic D.va player? because defending toxicity like that when they weren't gonna get the kill is exactly why D.va was hated on. Do you not understand cooldowns because azmo's Q is a pretty big cooldown which if you actually paid attention to the video where grubby literally went back and slowed it down you can see that azmo literally used the Q and landed it during that time
@@Gu3ssWhatsN3XT I am saying what I typed. Xul was toxic too but the difference is most of the time d'va was right. The reason everyone dislikes this d'va so much is because Grubby doesn't like D'va in hots. So you don't like D'va.
Grubby actually missed a lot on this vid. 10:15 when he is not sure if d'va or Jaina are calling for help. Start of the game.
@@shadowreaverrising1753 I think it's a great idea to chase Jaina into her fort behind her team at the start of the game after a botched engage into a heavy teamfighting composition with a macro composition and then complain about not getting magical support by [insert someone].
Disclaimer: I don't actually think it's a great idea to chase Jaina into her fort behind her team at the start of the game after a botched engage into a heavy teamfighting composition with a macro composition and then complain about not getting magical support by [John Lennon].
You were not on voice comms, Jenny. You didn't make your intent to crazy-dive Jaina clear at the start. You didn't ensure your team wouldn't get torn to shreds by theirs before attempting your tower dive. What are you complaining about again? Next time, explain your very unconventional idea beforehand. Then you can get mad at your team for not following your plan.
@@LootFragg that's just one instance. Keep in mind one skill shot would have killed her maybe even an AA. This happens several times in the game. Nobody is looking at D. Nobody cares. D'va has to make them care.
Ultimately the killing jaina and getting killed at the start didn't matter.
Nobody has to chase her to the fort. That, judging by the ping was not remotely the idea.
"I am saying what I typed." But every post is edited?
D.va chasing kills and after fail he blames anyone but himself. Focus helping and working with your team, dont go Aram all the time. Azmo maybe could have gotten some extra kills but they would still lose. Becasue of toxic and aram mentality from D.va. If Diablo and D.va focus tanking for the team instead it would be much better game.
Nobody is looking at D.va because hes doing his own thing and expecting everyone else to follow. How about you focus on what your team needs, rather than how "amazing" you are at making plays and killing.