I am glad that: 1 - It's not my car 2 - I didn't do it 3 - don't have to pay for it I hope nobody was hurt in the events leading up to today's instructional video. Thanks from Portugal Charles!
Ujiltrom M wait till you see front wheel drive transmissions, you’ll never look at a transmission mechanic with the same respect again (unless they pull it too, which a lot of specialty shops don’t do)
aterack833 i personaly work a lot on FWD and FWD engines are build different First of all they are transversals not longitudinal So it’s easier to work when the engine is in, even more since the transmission need to be disconnected with less space But when talking about longitudinals engines it’s generally more simple to throw it out in my opinion
If someone makes an engine autopsy channel of a miss-shift when those believe they wanted to go from third to fourth when they went from third to second when they believe the engine wound to at least 10,000 RPM before self destructing. As the few believe they wanted a diesel dropped off after it ran away when those had to do an autopsy as to what damage the runaway did.
This is NOT a common issue, but also not the first time I have seen this damage. YIKES!!!!! $$$ SHIFT! Something else I did in this video is leave a little more of the causal comments in. Taking a more laid back approach!!! What do ya think?
Great, quick tear down video. Keep up the good work! So thankful that the air cleaning race caR we have been building has the DSG, so we can NOT mess it up with a Money $hift! Looking forward to soon being able to show the World how to “burn rubber instead of toxic gasoline.” Maybe we will get the chance to do a little head to head, friendly race with our Golfs? Might not be totally level playing field though because “R caR is cleaner than your caR!”
I ain’t no expert. . . but the ECM should limit the RPM so that an inadvertent shift into a lower gear should not destroy the engine. We didn’t hear what the respective ratios of second and third were in this car. . . My Humble (see what I did there?) opinion. . .
@@oijhhytdirhrbru It does not matter, tuned, Turbo, NA. This will happen to most engines when going from redline on 3rd gear down to 2nd gear. Rev limiter is only there for top of any given gear, that is software, in this case it's all mechanical.
Bram Moerman he forced it into second gear and dropped the clutch, so the physical speed of the car and transmission at such a low gear is what overrevved it, not him pushing the gas
Because of the red lining in 3rd gear and the speed he was flying in and accidentally forced it into 2nd gear he mechanically overrided all ecm safety measures and it being a mechanical override it is simply impossible for the ecm to react to make things right. When accelerating and you hit the max possible rpm your ecm simply won't allow the engine to turn faster, in case of a downshift from a higher gear at redline rpm into a lower gear the rpm of the engine would be much higher then the ecm or engine can handle...
I would expect that in a lawn mower with a Briggs and Stratton engine. They already have plastic carburetors on theirs. The first time I cleaned one I was a bit afraid that the carburetor cleaner might melt it.
leakyjeep5.9 ... “Make up yer MIND, dude! Izzy gonna *shit* or izzy gonna *kill* us?” “First he gonna *shit* ... then he gonna KILL us!” I sawr that IN the Pacific 4 @ the Sherman Oaks ‘Gonorrhea’ ... crowd went NUTS when they showed it! 😄 I love how he calls him “SpiCULLY” ... Crowe even lolled at that in the commentary. 😆 Best teen movie of all time! 🤘🤘🤙
A friend that had a subaru with the old EJ22 from the mid 90s demonstrated some 4th gear @ 6000rpm into 2nd gear "moneyshifts" to me. Obviously the tachometer was buried, but it should of been nearly 11k rpm. Did it multiple times on a longblock with 275k miles. It really didn't seem to care at all.
The TSI engines in VWs are pretty fragile. They have enough trouble staying together with normal driving. Anything outside of that is asking alot of it.
😂😂😂😂🥰🥰🥰😂😂🥰😂 I own an Audi with this motor but also have an si that takes a beating and sees nearly 9k on a daily basis for the last 5 years. Your comment is amazing 😂🙌🏻
I have a narrow-gated 6-speed on my 370Z and in the beginning I found that I accidentally missed the gate a couple of times when going up or down from 5th gear. Keeping my eye on the gear selection indicator before reengaging the clutch saved me from some nasty drivetrain consequences.
Wow! I came here for a humble window replacement a few videos ago. Your videos are very thorough and entertaining! You are a very talented mechanic! Thanks for the well enunciated descriptions of each step. I’ve leaned a lot! Cheers!
So that’s the rockers to rockets conversion I’ve heard about! Gotta love the one rocker embedded in the cover. A fitting wall art conversation piece for sure.
Tbh I'd buy automatic just because of this risk, but man so many automatic transmissions are risky/fail often. Even buying them new is not a guarantee it'll last. Let alone buying a used automatic. :(
@@AlessandroGenTLe I learned to use a manual gearbox 60 years ago. I now use automatic in all my vehicles, because I'm not a dumbass who thinks his cock is big from shifting a manual.
I did that exact same shift to my 95 Passat Vr6. I only bent the exhaust valves slightly and stretched the chain. I drove it over 3 hours to get home. I guess they were a little stronger back in the day!
At least the pistons looked ok, i have seen a lot of engines where this has happened where the valve heads have failed and ended up in the piston and the cylinder head. Great video
Overall impressed the bottom end was ok. It is a testament to the 2.0T TSI engine really. I've seen money shifting resulting in bottom end window insertions as the bearings and caps exiting the building.
Should be "Endless money pit" Poor design by VW not to prevent such driver abuse.VAG products are nice but definitely not reliable, especially when it comes to electric & software. Wonder how their EV's will be.
"Let's go ahead and get this cylinder head off" - proceeds to cut together 8 extremely satisfying and gratuitous breakaway snaps as he loosens the head bolts.
:D u can kill anything with a nice misshift related overrevving. :D I expected some snapped timing and a LOT of damage. Actually this is not that bad, it is fairly easily fixable and the block and the bottom end looks like new.
Nothing more enjoyable than seeing a money-shifting driver getting thrown forward to the steering wheel, eyes glaring wide, teeth clenched, knuckles white on the steering, and that foot planted hard flat - almost through the floorboard, when that engine suddenly hits the max mark on the rev counter and the pointer can't go any further. The screaming noise it makes can be heard 4 blocks away when its turning 150 times a second. Pure symphonic bliss and top class entertainment!!
Years ago we were playing doing top speed runs on bikes on an airfield. A guy on a zx12r blew the engine on one run and looking at it back in the pits area we could see a hole in the block. Few weeks later he posted pictures of the block post strip down. There were 6 holes in the block. 3 rods had snapped, each punching holes front and back. Oops!
I just got one of these at the shop, i checked the mechanical over rev fault at 9700 rpms, “ customer stated they were cruising on 6th gear and slowly started loosing power” lol I gave the customer the option, to remove the oil pan and check for carnage and remove the valve cover and check for carnage and If the pistons and cylinders walls look ok we can put a cylinder head or used or new engine.
I was going to ask the same thing. If the lifter bores and other precision surfaces are ok, why not just get some new parts and put it back together? One possible problem might be cracks that aren't immediately apparent.
There’s a 5.2L “Voodoo” engine (Mustang GT 350) in my shop that the driver money shifted. There were 2 connecting rods melted into the (plastic) oil pan and the rod bearings were partially flattened out on one end from the extreme pressures they experienced from over revving before the rods gave up. Dude was on a track, had a short shifter and tried to go 5th to 3rd but got 1st. Stored data indicated engine RPM in excess of 9500 RPM. Epic engine carnage on that one!
Maybe the driver was expecting some kind of VTEC experience 😂 That poor engine. A bit of JB weld though and it will be good as new 😬 Super video, a DSG or traditional auto for the owner I think!
You always make it look so easy! Anyway, these sort of shifts are sometimes easily done in the heat of the moment... been there done that. Have fun and take your time!
Not normally but it’s possible to use the abs pump ( or a extra one like it ) and some additional software and extra plumbing and solenoid for limiting the clutch engagement aka traction control
I only know how to turn an ignition key, but I’ve spent my life being in complete AWE of mechanics & engineers who can do what this guy does. It’s FASCINATING! 👏👏🤘
I had an A4 with a similar experience but on the car I worked on it was only cly4 it had miss fire and no compression when I took the valve cover out the rockers have relocated themselves somewhere else in the engine
@M Bacon If you did most of your 400 miles on express highway, i don't see why you'd hate a manual. I used to drive a lot on French autoroute and German autobahn. A manual car never bothered me until I moved to Paris.
I've owned a DSG and a Multitronic(CVT) before. While the Multitronic was kind of weak, the downshift from gear 3 to 2 in a DSG often acted quite bumpy. I'd therefore choose any old-school Aisin 6 speed torque-converter automatic over these two German creations.
@@kbatzler - you'll understand the disadvantages of DSG when you need to get one serviced. It's literally a case of throwing the whole car away when the transmission gets a fault.
I did a money shift on my L13 Dsi Jazz a few years ago on the highway doing about 120kph. Went from 3rd to 2nd and dropped the clutch. I know the tacho only has numbers 8K rpm and I saw the needle hit 8K (2K over redline) . I sent the car in for a check up and it ended up being fine. 100000km later and the motor is still running. 😋
He needed to be a better driver. I have been driving for 20 years, cars, trucks and even 18 wheelers. Never have I ever done something so silly (some may even say stupid). I only know one person that has done this street racing, it was an Acura RSX Type S. Same thing, 3rd to 2nd. Engine was gone.
@@nickpappas4133 A slipper clutch disengages itself slightly (slips) when over-revving. Supermoto racers can go from 6th to 2nd for a corner and the slipper clutch minimizes overrev and wheel hop.
A VW at 40K miles is still under manufacturer warranty so the dude that owned it voided the warranty by modding the crap out of it and damaged the engine. Good video bud, you should have way more subscribers than 411K. Subbed!
This is the best video on the money shift..you cover everything and it’s all really well explained plus you get straight into the job..with great humour..brilliant
Don't worry, just the driver of this car is an idiot, he torture this car and bring it to the limit. So don't worry, just make sure you to make the oil change on the time .
Nice video! I’m guessing this is virtually impossible in a stock DSG setup since it won’t let you down shift if the revs are too high? I always assumed this but just want to make sure. What about stage 2 DSG setup, would it have prevented downshifting?
For stage 2 engine tune you have to independently tune DSG transmission to a stage one time to not damage it. For stage 1engine tune DSG gets retuned through engine..
As a new owner of an Audi s3 I’ve been searching for a long time for a video like this that shows the 2.0 being disassembled really helped me understand the platform better, do you have any other similar videos of teardown or rebuilds?
It got nothing to do with the engine is strong or not 😋.. Never down shift from third to second gear in high rpm 😅.. It will highly do 💥💥💥 like this one..
hey Charles I wish you would've turned the engine to TDC on all cylinder to see if the pistons are at the same level I wonder also about the rod and bolts been compromise I would at least replace the connecting rod bolt and maybe have the rod check for fractures .
weld the hole in the valve cover, send the head in for a valve job (might as well get it ported), performance cam, and rockers, and it'll be just fine. The gouges don't mean anything
I bought an e36 that was money shifted and repaired the head with junkyard valves. It bent all 12 intake valves but caused no damage to the valve seats or pistons. No cyl head damage, no loose or broken parts either. Just gotta watch the cooling system (+ subsequent cyl head cracks) and the bmw m/s5x based engines are bulletproof. Side note: I can't stand those gloves - damn things rip every 2 seconds!
I’ve money shifted a few times in my civic si luckily caught it before I completely committed to the gear but Honda’s can handle it from time to time lol
And that's why you don't dump the clutch. I've almost money shifted a time or two, but having that split second "whoa that doesn't feel right" prior to having the clutch fully engaged was my saving grace.
Seen a few like this, normally get a few / nearly all the valves totaled. Usually missed gear or downshift like yours. One engine was reduced to shrapnel ! I have a friend who works in the VA group who has told me they can see if any re programing has been done even if it was later removed ,with lot of the data stored permenantly. This has shown up when there have been clutch failures due to tuning ,needless to say it voided the warranty. I guess there must be hidden files in the ecu software. A very enjoyable video.. especially watching someone else work.😉
Yep, most modern cars will show if there has been any tampering with the factory ECM, some of the new ones even record if the ECM has been removed and for how long. That means you go in for a warranty repair and they discover the ECU has been out of the vehicle for XXXX miles and hours and was just replaced, Instant warranty void. Then there are others where you try to do any tuning and it bricks the vehicle.
I unfortunately was eating Mac n cheese bites and money shifted with my greasy fingers to 2nd instead of 4th in my MKV GTI. I only ended up with a bent valve in one cylinder. Watching this makes me feel grateful that was all the damage I had. Thanks!
Funny how in car's engines 9k rpm considered high for the engine while motorcycle i4 engine usually revs up pass that. Even some cars from Japan mostly can reach that. I guess the initial design of this engine weren't supposed to rev that high because the rocker can't move fast enough to do it's work. Awesome video, very informative. Please do some more!
I believe the shifter should have some kind of lock to prevent it from going into a lower gear whilst at high RPM... I find it very difficult shifting down to a lower gear if I'm already at redline (felt it a few times)
Depends on the quality of the synchro rings. Apparently they’re pretty good in this VW because they linked up and accelerated the 2 gear to way beyond redline. Whatever car you were driving probably had weaker synchros and wouldn’t click in and that saved you.
While the gouges May not be a problem, damage to the valve guide port may have occurred. Or where the hydraulic pivot is. Lots of tiny tiny places for issues.
I accidentally wrapped the tach with 1st gear once on my 2.7 Hyundai V6. That was 80k miles ago. Can't kill those engines. This VW pivot ball rocker setup is similar to Honda B18/B20 non VTEC valvetrain, and I've heard this tends to happen on them when you start trying to increase the rev limit. Solid pinned rockers or cam on bucket FTW.
Love this video. Thank you. An engine autopsy. I hear the term catastrophic failure but never witnessed it. Tell me, the pcv, is there an updated version I've heard they give grief? I get small burbles on idle, not knocks or bangs etc. Burbles. Have you ever diagnosed as to why these occur ? Much appreciated
I did a "harmless" money shift in a 1993 Hyundai Excel right after I got my permit. Shockingly the engine didn't blow up or do anything expensive. The engine was the strongest thing on that car.
Be cool if the Trans had electronic or mechanical control gear lockout for lower gears when at set RPM and/or speed, so it wont let you shift into a low gear if it cant handle. Dodge Challenger uses skip shift to force you from 1st to 4th, just use the same tech to stop a bad downshift. Great breakdown vid.. I could watch these all day!
I money shifted my MK7 R but luckily I was able to stab the clutch before any damage could occur. It was still a money shift because the dealer had to pull it apart to verify nothing was damaged. Just a couple rocker arms popped off. Everything else survived. I put a diesel geek shifter link in it after that and it made a WORLD of difference.
I have a question about the rocker arms. I’m rebuilding the cylinder head. My valves are bent. And I’m noticing on my rocker arms. I see some people able to squeeze the tappets together. Like a hydraulic shock. None of mine squeeze together. I can get a few to like move. But none of them squeeze together like a hydraulic shock. Does the intake and the exhaust side the rocker arm tappets squeeze together? Or do they stay stiff?
I had one "money shift" from 2nd to 1st on my mk6 GTI, but have no engine damage except one lifter on cylinder 4 which causes high speed misfire. ECM recorded that I had reached 8700rpm. I should be lucky that I had no major engine damage. That is my first time for about 25 years of driving experience that i put in wrong gear. And, yes, that is driver failure.
Charles, I also noticed that the head is completely cracked on several parts, on the roots of the bridges that support the crankshaft near the spark plug wells, i'm surprised you didn't point it out
Charles, please please please tear down the bottom end and have a look at the thrust washers! The internet talk about crank walk is holding my R back from stage 2 and nothing would assuage my apprehension more than to see if/how far out of factory spec the thrust bearings are on a car that has been driven hard with an aftermarket clutch.
Hi Charles just rewatching this. I was cleaning my intake valves and noticed my cylinder 3 valves weren’t moving. Took my cam cover off and found on rocker just chillin on the exhaust side. Bought and oem replacement do u know can I pop that on without loosening the chain? I just replaced my chain tensioner and guides last year.
I am in the processing of replacing the intake, exhaust valves and gaskets of 2011 Tiguan. should I also replace the rockets, and what else do you advise replacing. Thanks
Such a great tear down video but I got to say there is something about the way this engine is put together that just looks cheap to me but I do like that it still uses a cast iron block.
Just took the cover off my wife’s ‘09 GTI. Looks like it jumped time and one of the rockers saw his way out through the cylinder head cover lol. Looks similar to this one, several rockers are off of the valves and very loose. Most likely bent valves but haven’t dug that far into it yet.
I am glad that:
1 - It's not my car
2 - I didn't do it
3 - don't have to pay for it
I hope nobody was hurt in the events leading up to today's instructional video.
Thanks from Portugal Charles!
100% agree!!!
Only thing hurt here is the Engine and that guy's ego lol
Man, it looks so much easier to work on an engine when it's out of the vehicle.
Yeah at the first place you think that you will lose time extracting the engine but in reality i prefer take my time to extract it xD
It is. Stuff that take hours on the engine takes minutes with the engine out off the car.
Ujiltrom M wait till you see front wheel drive transmissions, you’ll never look at a transmission mechanic with the same respect again (unless they pull it too, which a lot of specialty shops don’t do)
aterack833 i personaly work a lot on FWD and FWD engines are build different
First of all they are transversals not longitudinal
So it’s easier to work when the engine is in, even more since the transmission need to be disconnected with less space
But when talking about longitudinals engines it’s generally more simple to throw it out in my opinion
Trust me from experience it really really is 😂😂😂
Man if someone made an engine autopsy channel I would watch it
"Sir look at the hole in the side of this cylinder wall." "It looks like our man went overbore." YEEEEEAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
if you've ever seen Hagerty, that guy does awesome engine rebuilds of like anything under the sun. Not super informative, but definitely fun to watch
Hell yeah
there is one in russian ;)
If someone makes an engine autopsy channel of a miss-shift when those believe they wanted to go from third to fourth when they went from third to second when they believe the engine wound to at least 10,000 RPM before self destructing. As the few believe they wanted a diesel dropped off after it ran away when those had to do an autopsy as to what damage the runaway did.
This is NOT a common issue, but also not the first time I have seen this damage. YIKES!!!!! $$$ SHIFT! Something else I did in this video is leave a little more of the causal comments in. Taking a more laid back approach!!! What do ya think?
I’ve money shifted before but thanks fully no damage knock on wood!
I like this style of editing, easy to watch.
Definitely more fun for this kinda tear down vid!
Great, quick tear down video. Keep up the good work! So thankful that the air cleaning race caR we have been building has the DSG, so we can NOT mess it up with a Money $hift! Looking forward to soon being able to show the World how to “burn rubber instead of toxic gasoline.” Maybe we will get the chance to do a little head to head, friendly race with our Golfs? Might not be totally level playing field though because “R caR is cleaner than your caR!”
Ouch, that’s painfully expensive. Love the video, very informative. Thanks again.
is not an engine failure, is a driver failure.
I ain’t no expert. . . but the ECM should limit the RPM so that an inadvertent shift into a lower gear should not destroy the engine. We didn’t hear what the respective ratios of second and third were in this car. . . My Humble (see what I did there?) opinion. . .
@@oijhhytdirhrbru It does not matter, tuned, Turbo, NA. This will happen to most engines when going from redline on 3rd gear down to 2nd gear. Rev limiter is only there for top of any given gear, that is software, in this case it's all mechanical.
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Bram Moerman he forced it into second gear and dropped the clutch, so the physical speed of the car and transmission at such a low gear is what overrevved it, not him pushing the gas
Because of the red lining in 3rd gear and the speed he was flying in and accidentally forced it into 2nd gear he mechanically overrided all ecm safety measures and it being a mechanical override it is simply impossible for the ecm to react to make things right. When accelerating and you hit the max possible rpm your ecm simply won't allow the engine to turn faster, in case of a downshift from a higher gear at redline rpm into a lower gear the rpm of the engine would be much higher then the ecm or engine can handle...
The Germans will soon figure out a way to have plastic pistons
I'm surprised that the engine valve cover is still metal
@@SPimentaTV It would be plastic if only it wasn't doing the work of cam bearing caps.
Valve cover as cam bearings, oh my god 🙂
I would expect that in a lawn mower with a Briggs and Stratton engine. They already have plastic carburetors on theirs. The first time I cleaned one I was a bit afraid that the carburetor cleaner might melt it.
Garage 54 made wood pistons...
He hit 1.21 gigawatts on that shift.
Great Scott!!
Excellent rapid-fired commentary. No "ahh", "umm", or "ya know". Bravo.
Plus, no self-absorbed, talking head trying to be a movie star. Much respect!
"I can fix it. My Dad's a TV repairman. He's got the ultimate set of tools." - Jeff Spicoli
He's gonna shit!
LOL!!! Where' you get that JACKET???
leakyjeep5.9 ...
“Make up yer MIND, dude! Izzy gonna *shit* or izzy gonna *kill* us?”
“First he gonna *shit* ... then he gonna KILL us!”
I sawr that IN the Pacific 4 @ the Sherman Oaks ‘Gonorrhea’ ... crowd went NUTS when they showed it! 😄
I love how he calls him “SpiCULLY” ... Crowe even lolled at that in the commentary. 😆 Best teen movie of all time! 🤘🤘🤙
As my friend would say: The issue Originated between the steering wheel and seat.
In aviation we call it the meat servo.
On a motorcycle they call it a failure of the nut that connects the handlebar to the seat
It was the nut at the end of the stick that failed for sure.
Me being an extreme expert: Yes I i recognize this part, this is an engine.
Hahaha
*Catastrophic user error
You sir have seen too much.
Vw: engine desteoyed at 9000rpm
V-tec: lol
A friend that had a subaru with the old EJ22 from the mid 90s demonstrated some 4th gear @ 6000rpm into 2nd gear "moneyshifts" to me. Obviously the tachometer was buried, but it should of been nearly 11k rpm. Did it multiple times on a longblock with 275k miles. It really didn't seem to care at all.
Considering i had a mk7 gti with 420hp and also a Civic. I find this true 😂 the vdub was fast but it just cant hold up..
The TSI engines in VWs are pretty fragile. They have enough trouble staying together with normal driving. Anything outside of that is asking alot of it.
😂😂😂😂🥰🥰🥰😂😂🥰😂 I own an Audi with this motor but also have an si that takes a beating and sees nearly 9k on a daily basis for the last 5 years. Your comment is amazing 😂🙌🏻
@TETRO MONEY I did this in my Jackson Racing supercharged K20Z3...just kept on going lol.
I have a narrow-gated 6-speed on my 370Z and in the beginning I found that I accidentally missed the gate a couple of times when going up or down from 5th gear. Keeping my eye on the gear selection indicator before reengaging the clutch saved me from some nasty drivetrain consequences.
Wow! I came here for a humble window replacement a few videos ago. Your videos are very thorough and entertaining! You are a very talented mechanic! Thanks for the well enunciated descriptions of each step. I’ve leaned a lot! Cheers!
Thank you
So that’s the rockers to rockets conversion I’ve heard about! Gotta love the one rocker embedded in the cover. A fitting wall art conversation piece for sure.
i can imagine the face of the owner when he downshifted. Sucked to be him.
Tbh I'd buy automatic just because of this risk, but man so many automatic transmissions are risky/fail often. Even buying them new is not a guarantee it'll last. Let alone buying a used automatic. :(
@@CitarNosis317 See, this is why I think young people/noobs/cautious drivers, should get an automatic.
@@CitarNosis317 Or just don't go autocrossing if you are not familiar enough with your car or are uncomfortable with the way it shifts.
@@CitarNosis317 Automatic sucks. As much as people that aren't able to use a manual gearbox :p
@@AlessandroGenTLe I learned to use a manual gearbox 60 years ago. I now use automatic in all my vehicles, because I'm not a dumbass who thinks his cock is big from shifting a manual.
I did that exact same shift to my 95 Passat Vr6. I only bent the exhaust valves slightly and stretched the chain. I drove it over 3 hours to get home. I guess they were a little stronger back in the day!
At least the pistons looked ok, i have seen a lot of engines where this has happened where the valve heads have failed and ended up in the piston and the cylinder head. Great video
Overall impressed the bottom end was ok. It is a testament to the 2.0T TSI engine really. I've seen money shifting resulting in bottom end window insertions as the bearings and caps exiting the building.
Another fantastic video. Gotta love the Humble Mechanic.
I just sent you a message through your website. Hope it gets to you ok.
Really appreciated the explanation at the end about why the ECM won't save you in a money shift situation. Makes sense.
"Money shift" love it.
Should be "Endless money pit" Poor design by VW not to prevent such driver abuse.VAG products are nice but definitely not reliable, especially when it comes to electric & software. Wonder how their EV's will be.
Running to the limit in 3.rd ...
Then smashing it into 2.nd ...
That was truly spirited driving.
"Let's go ahead and get this cylinder head off" - proceeds to cut together 8 extremely satisfying and gratuitous breakaway snaps as he loosens the head bolts.
Holy crap!! I just had similar failure happen to my tdi today!! I thought I was going crazy!! The sound it makes when it fails is absolutely crazy!
:D u can kill anything with a nice misshift related overrevving. :D
I expected some snapped timing and a LOT of damage. Actually this is not that bad, it is fairly easily fixable and the block and the bottom end looks like new.
Nothing more enjoyable than seeing a money-shifting driver getting thrown forward to the steering wheel, eyes glaring wide, teeth clenched, knuckles white on the steering, and that foot planted hard flat - almost through the floorboard, when that engine suddenly hits the max mark on the rev counter and the pointer can't go any further. The screaming noise it makes can be heard 4 blocks away when its turning 150 times a second. Pure symphonic bliss and top class entertainment!!
That's... ouch...
A while ago, a friend showed me his H22 block from his Prelude. Con rod made a viewing port in both sides...😬
Years ago we were playing doing top speed runs on bikes on an airfield. A guy on a zx12r blew the engine on one run and looking at it back in the pits area we could see a hole in the block.
Few weeks later he posted pictures of the block post strip down. There were 6 holes in the block. 3 rods had snapped, each punching holes front and back.
Oops!
Manual guys:
Automatic guys: Ah, now I see the appeal
love these simple tear down and explanatory vids! Fair to say floating a valve is a bad thing.
I just got one of these at the shop, i checked the mechanical over rev fault at 9700 rpms, “ customer stated they were cruising on 6th gear and slowly started loosing power” lol I gave the customer the option, to remove the oil pan and check for carnage and remove the valve cover and check for carnage and If the pistons and cylinders walls look ok we can put a cylinder head or used or new engine.
Other than (maybe?) structural strength, how would the scuffs on the cast affect the function of the engine?
I was going to ask the same thing. If the lifter bores and other precision surfaces are ok, why not just get some new parts and put it back together? One possible problem might be cracks that aren't immediately apparent.
There’s a 5.2L “Voodoo” engine (Mustang GT 350) in my shop that the driver money shifted. There were 2 connecting rods melted into the (plastic) oil pan and the rod bearings were partially flattened out on one end from the extreme pressures they experienced from over revving before the rods gave up. Dude was on a track, had a short shifter and tried to go 5th to 3rd but got 1st. Stored data indicated engine RPM in excess of 9500 RPM. Epic engine carnage on that one!
Holy cow!!
Maybe the driver was expecting some kind of VTEC experience 😂 That poor engine. A bit of JB weld though and it will be good as new 😬 Super video, a DSG or traditional auto for the owner I think!
Or a bicycle......
You're really brilliant and organized. You work exactly like your building an extremely complicated computer. It's really impressive.
You always make it look so easy!
Anyway, these sort of shifts are sometimes easily done in the heat of the moment... been there done that. Have fun and take your time!
Good video. I have a 2015 1.8tsi and very impressed with the little engine. 106000 miles still runs like new with no noticeable oil consumption.
11:55 good explanation of why ECU can't rev limit engine when downshifting
Not normally but it’s possible to use the abs pump ( or a extra one like it ) and some additional software and extra plumbing and solenoid for limiting the clutch engagement aka traction control
I have worked on a lot of grenaded 2.0Ts (both EA113s and EA888s), and even more 1.8Ts, but this one is... special. Holy crap.
I hope the culprit got themselves an automatic gearbox too when they got the replacement engine.
Yeah he is probably complaining about reliability while casually driving at 5k rpm all day and downshifting
I only know how to turn an ignition key, but I’ve spent my life being in complete AWE of mechanics & engineers who can do what this guy does. It’s FASCINATING! 👏👏🤘
Wow I'm a big VW fan and I've never seen that kinda damage before 😱😱😱
Yeah, but at least it wasn't Engine/Manufacturer error, as much as it was Operator Error.
I had an A4 with a similar experience but on the car I worked on it was only cly4 it had miss fire and no compression when I took the valve cover out the rockers have relocated themselves somewhere else in the engine
One more reason to love my DSG. Yes I can drive a manual but as my daily it's just easier on me and the car.
At least with the DSG, there is no possibility of shifting to the wrong gear.
@M Bacon If you did most of your 400 miles on express highway, i don't see why you'd hate a manual. I used to drive a lot on French autoroute and German autobahn. A manual car never bothered me until I moved to Paris.
I've owned a DSG and a Multitronic(CVT) before. While the Multitronic was kind of weak, the downshift from gear 3 to 2 in a DSG often acted quite bumpy. I'd therefore choose any old-school Aisin 6 speed torque-converter automatic over these two German creations.
@@kbatzler - you'll understand the disadvantages of DSG when you need to get one serviced. It's literally a case of throwing the whole car away when the transmission gets a fault.
I did a money shift on my L13 Dsi Jazz a few years ago on the highway doing about 120kph. Went from 3rd to 2nd and dropped the clutch. I know the tacho only has numbers 8K rpm and I saw the needle hit 8K (2K over redline) . I sent the car in for a check up and it ended up being fine. 100000km later and the motor is still running. 😋
Slipper clutch like some motorcycles have, that is what this guy needed.
He needed to be a better driver. I have been driving for 20 years, cars, trucks and even 18 wheelers. Never have I ever done something so silly (some may even say stupid). I only know one person that has done this street racing, it was an Acura RSX Type S. Same thing, 3rd to 2nd. Engine was gone.
Not sure how a slipper clutch would work as you are basically coming down two gears in in one shift.example going for fourth but getting second.
@@nickpappas4133 Slipping, simple
@@_Mario_PL_ That, for sure mate!
@@nickpappas4133 A slipper clutch disengages itself slightly (slips) when over-revving. Supermoto racers can go from 6th to 2nd for a corner and the slipper clutch minimizes overrev and wheel hop.
A VW at 40K miles is still under manufacturer warranty so the dude that owned it voided the warranty by modding the crap out of it and damaged the engine. Good video bud, you should have way more subscribers than 411K. Subbed!
Great video! I know it probably doesn’t matter, but every time I see a plastic oil pan I die a little inside.
This is the best video on the money shift..you cover everything and it’s all really well explained plus you get straight into the job..with great humour..brilliant
Thank you!
I have a stage 1, 2017 GTI with 44k miles. So this sounds like my car lol. Painful to see.
Don't worry, just the driver of this car is an idiot, he torture this car and bring it to the limit.
So don't worry, just make sure you to make the oil change on the time .
3:30 what do you mean cover and cylinder head are "line bored"?
I believe it means that they are assembled first, and then the relevant holes are bored. This provides for a near-perfect fit.
Interesting to me to see this new of an engine being disassembled,..turbo, DI, VVT, VVL, etc
I hate to admit it but I love videos like this
It's good!!! ALL GOOD!
Nice video! I’m guessing this is virtually impossible in a stock DSG setup since it won’t let you down shift if the revs are too high? I always assumed this but just want to make sure. What about stage 2 DSG setup, would it have prevented downshifting?
For stage 2 engine tune you have to independently tune DSG transmission to a stage one time to not damage it.
For stage 1engine tune DSG gets retuned through engine..
As a new owner of an Audi s3 I’ve been searching for a long time for a video like this that shows the 2.0 being disassembled really helped me understand the platform better, do you have any other similar videos of teardown or rebuilds?
This guy must've been off his rocker
He certainly has done his foo-foo valve.
Not what it was cracked up to be!
At least he wasn't pissed 'n' broke.
I love the 5 - 2 money shift. The duel mass flywheel start to “separate” 😂
Put the video on 1.25x and check them bouncy Chrisfix hands in the beginning 🤣 love u Charles
5:50 ... wait wait wait, there are tools Charles doesn't have?! NO WAY 🤣
this kind of a relaxing video. Appreciate the time you took to record this. 😀
Damn!!! At least he might get a better stronger engine, just hope he doesn’t $$$ shift again!!!
It got nothing to do with the engine is strong or not 😋.. Never down shift from third to second gear in high rpm 😅.. It will highly do 💥💥💥 like this one..
He should learn how to drive a manual transmission and this wouldn't have happened.
hey Charles I wish you would've turned the engine to TDC on all cylinder to see if the pistons are at the same level I wonder also about the rod and bolts been compromise I would at least replace the connecting rod bolt and maybe have the rod check for fractures .
My thoughts as well. While the engine is mainly apart, I'd check the rods and replace the bearings and piston rings.
Mingus end up doing a bottom end breakdown too
weld the hole in the valve cover, send the head in for a valve job (might as well get it ported), performance cam, and rockers, and it'll be just fine. The gouges don't mean anything
I bought an e36 that was money shifted and repaired the head with junkyard valves. It bent all 12 intake valves but caused no damage to the valve seats or pistons. No cyl head damage, no loose or broken parts either. Just gotta watch the cooling system (+ subsequent cyl head cracks) and the bmw m/s5x based engines are bulletproof.
Side note: I can't stand those gloves - damn things rip every 2 seconds!
I’ve money shifted a few times in my civic si luckily caught it before I completely committed to the gear but Honda’s can handle it from time to time lol
Love all the light in the new garage and the multiple angles and editing. Reminds me a little of Papadakis’ engine teardowns.
Thank you. This is actually still the old shop. What you didn’t see is me soaked in sweat because it was 100f out haah
I’m actually surprised at the damage isolation to the top of the head.
I think what happened is the rocker arms jumped off the hydraulic adjusters and so the valves stayed shut, so they didn't hit the pistons. ????????
When you see a plastic oil pan you know that company values their customer experience
And that's why you don't dump the clutch. I've almost money shifted a time or two, but having that split second "whoa that doesn't feel right" prior to having the clutch fully engaged was my saving grace.
happened to me today i stomped the clutch as soon as i noticed what i was doing didnt even hear it rev up yet but boy did i shit my pants
Seen a few like this, normally get a few / nearly all the valves totaled. Usually missed gear or downshift like yours. One engine was reduced to shrapnel ! I have a friend who works in the VA group who has told me they can see if any re programing has been done even if it was later removed ,with lot of the data stored permenantly. This has shown up when there have been clutch failures due to tuning ,needless to say it voided the warranty. I guess there must be hidden files in the ecu software. A very enjoyable video.. especially watching someone else work.😉
Yep, most modern cars will show if there has been any tampering with the factory ECM, some of the new ones even record if the ECM has been removed and for how long. That means you go in for a warranty repair and they discover the ECU has been out of the vehicle for XXXX miles and hours and was just replaced, Instant warranty void. Then there are others where you try to do any tuning and it bricks the vehicle.
And that my friend is why I chose a DSG
So you’re saying your shifting is as bad as this engine’s owner?
@@harbl2479 thats right! Lol what a girl
So you can’t drive😝
What do you mean ..I choose the DSG
All DSGs are duel clutch. Always have been.
I unfortunately was eating Mac n cheese bites and money shifted with my greasy fingers to 2nd instead of 4th in my MKV GTI. I only ended up with a bent valve in one cylinder. Watching this makes me feel grateful that was all the damage I had. Thanks!
The ONLY downside to having a manual.
Not the only downside, it also depends on the number of stoplights on your daily commute.
@@karpo63 true. Very true.
Being slow is also a downside
@@OtisFlint explain plz.
Charles, why do you think there is so much oil in the intake? Bent valve guides letting oil in? A oil passage hole leaking oil?
Guides or possible pressure in the valve train. The valves held that oil in. I've not seen that happen before.
Owning a Rotary Engine, I don't have this rocker problem you speak of 😂
Hahahahha
Hahahahahahahaha
Not owning a rotary, I don't have the problems you have.
@@einfelder8262 Also have a Rotary ( FC Turbo ) . No problems at all. Just passed strict German MOT ...
@@heikopanzlaff3789 time for a retune eh?
Funny how in car's engines 9k rpm considered high for the engine while motorcycle i4 engine usually revs up pass that.
Even some cars from Japan mostly can reach that. I guess the initial design of this engine weren't supposed to rev that high because the rocker can't move fast enough to do it's work.
Awesome video, very informative. Please do some more!
I bet the next car the owner will buy will be with an DSG. 😂 🤣😂 🤣
it could be a nice engine project to rebult it with performance parts. I would like to see how strong this engine could be
Me too! Not sure when the owner is going to be doing anything with it
9000 r.p.m...... Honda's be like: "hold my beer."
Hahaha “rookies” 😂
Lol was going to say... My stock k20 does that all day long 😂
TESLA 🤣
Funny, money shifting a Honda will result in a 13000rpm kaboom lol
I believe the shifter should have some kind of lock to prevent it from going into a lower gear whilst at high RPM... I find it very difficult shifting down to a lower gear if I'm already at redline (felt it a few times)
Depends on the quality of the synchro rings. Apparently they’re pretty good in this VW because they linked up and accelerated the 2 gear to way beyond redline. Whatever car you were driving probably had weaker synchros and wouldn’t click in and that saved you.
@@Dave-ei7kk can't be that then, I drive a SEAT Leon Cupra which has the same engine and gearbox as VW
GTI be like: Get CHUNKED
Your video's are great! You have a real talent for clear and engaging narration!
Hated this Mk6 Gti engine, what a POS
Man that version of the 2.0t is problematic
HumbleMechanic
Come on what? I agree with you 🤷♂️
HumbleMechanic
I get it. Haha it seems to be what everyone on youtube is doing the last 2 days 😂
Actually I don't really see any damage to the head that will interfere with the function of the cams, valves or rockers - or did I miss something?
While the gouges May not be a problem, damage to the valve guide port may have occurred. Or where the hydraulic pivot is. Lots of tiny tiny places for issues.
Automatic gang where you at
I accidentally wrapped the tach with 1st gear once on my 2.7 Hyundai V6. That was 80k miles ago. Can't kill those engines. This VW pivot ball rocker setup is similar to Honda B18/B20 non VTEC valvetrain, and I've heard this tends to happen on them when you start trying to increase the rev limit. Solid pinned rockers or cam on bucket FTW.
Love this video. Thank you. An engine autopsy. I hear the term catastrophic failure but never witnessed it. Tell me, the pcv, is there an updated version I've heard they give grief? I get small burbles on idle, not knocks or bangs etc. Burbles. Have you ever diagnosed as to why these occur ? Much appreciated
I did a "harmless" money shift in a 1993 Hyundai Excel right after I got my permit. Shockingly the engine didn't blow up or do anything expensive.
The engine was the strongest thing on that car.
Be cool if the Trans had electronic or mechanical control gear lockout for lower gears when at set RPM and/or speed, so it wont let you shift into a low gear if it cant handle. Dodge Challenger uses skip shift to force you from 1st to 4th, just use the same tech to stop a bad downshift. Great breakdown vid.. I could watch these all day!
Engineering explained (3.23m subs) just recommended this video 🙂 great job man 💪🏻
Thanks!!! I LOVE Jason!
I money shifted my MK7 R but luckily I was able to stab the clutch before any damage could occur. It was still a money shift because the dealer had to pull it apart to verify nothing was damaged. Just a couple rocker arms popped off. Everything else survived.
I put a diesel geek shifter link in it after that and it made a WORLD of difference.
I have a question about the rocker arms. I’m rebuilding the cylinder head. My valves are bent. And I’m noticing on my rocker arms. I see some people able to squeeze the tappets together. Like a hydraulic shock. None of mine squeeze together. I can get a few to like move. But none of them squeeze together like a hydraulic shock. Does the intake and the exhaust side the rocker arm tappets squeeze together? Or do they stay stiff?
I had one "money shift" from 2nd to 1st on my mk6 GTI, but have no engine damage except one lifter on cylinder 4 which causes high speed misfire. ECM recorded that I had reached 8700rpm. I should be lucky that I had no major engine damage. That is my first time for about 25 years of driving experience that i put in wrong gear. And, yes, that is driver failure.
Charles, I also noticed that the head is completely cracked on several parts, on the roots of the bridges that support the crankshaft near the spark plug wells, i'm surprised you didn't point it out
I think that’s casting marks not cracking. But I am going to go check it again Incase I did miss it
@@HumbleMechanic i thought so as well but when you move the camera around it looks like cracks as the shadows look to be inwards
Charles, please please please tear down the bottom end and have a look at the thrust washers! The internet talk about crank walk is holding my R back from stage 2 and nothing would assuage my apprehension more than to see if/how far out of factory spec the thrust bearings are on a car that has been driven hard with an aftermarket clutch.
That’s a great idea!!!
Hi Charles just rewatching this. I was cleaning my intake valves and noticed my cylinder 3 valves weren’t moving. Took my cam cover off and found on rocker just chillin on the exhaust side. Bought and oem replacement do u know can I pop that on without loosening the chain? I just replaced my chain tensioner and guides last year.
I am in the processing of replacing the intake, exhaust valves and gaskets of 2011 Tiguan.
should I also replace the rockets, and what else do you advise replacing.
Thanks
Such a great tear down video but I got to say there is something about the way this engine is put together that just looks cheap to me but I do like that it still uses a cast iron block.
Just took the cover off my wife’s ‘09 GTI. Looks like it jumped time and one of the rockers saw his way out through the cylinder head cover lol. Looks similar to this one, several rockers are off of the valves and very loose. Most likely bent valves but haven’t dug that far into it yet.
He is playing Jingle Bells at 3:03 with his drill while casually tearing down the engine... what a boss