Why Brits Love Selling Sunset But Not Buying London & Would Rishi Sunak Crumble On Loose Women?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Why does the This Morning sofa strike fear into every hopeful PM? Richard and Marina take a look at politicians vs daytime TV, tech bros misunderstanding cinema and if Netflix's new show 'Buying London' is any good, and what are the secrets of some of our favourite property programmes?
00:00 - Intro
02:04 - Politicians on TV Shows
19:08 - Scarlett Johansson vs Big Tech Bros
32:02 - Buying London/Property Shows
45:52 - Recommendations - บันเทิง
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Why is this episode not called "You can trust Boris Johnson on Loose Women" because that's definite a thing that was said?
Decide the prime minister by having them compete on takeshis castle
Taskmaster likely a more appropriate level for our Westminster athletes
@@SL89999 Too much 'Elf n Safety on Taskmaster these days. Takeshi had the very real threat of a heart attack or losing several teeth, but it was recorded some years back. Probably be illegal now.
Or Squid Games. Not the reality TV version; the fictional version.
100%
"Ohhhh no! Liz Truss is in the drink!!"
Pugil sticks to the backing music from Star Trek.
The screensaver for my brain is Matt Baker on the One Show asking David Cameron in a jovial tone "how do you sleep at night?"
44:19 - I am so happy Richard mentioned 'The Parisian Agency" on Netflix. It is SO good and so wholesome. One of my favourite shows on Netflix and I love when a new season comes out. The french family seem so sweet and i was DYING at Richard mentioning how the family would mention Daniel Daggers constantly in Season 3 with their thick french accents, so funny! haha!
I just finished watching season 4 last night - the family appears fairly down to earth for this type of "reality" tv show. I really enjoyed it!
Talking about how doing recording for Siri would probably drive you mad reminds me of a Football video game i worked on many years ago. The VO for the commentary meant that the commentators needed to record essentially the name of every footballer in the world, in four different levels of excitement, which took a very long time.
Apparently one of the people doing this just walked out part way through and never came back because they found it so unbearable.
Love Richard talking about the British shows at the end. I can just listen to him all day!
A property show discussion without a single mention of Grand Designs?
The guy who does the music for HutH was on the Elis James and John Robins show a few years explaining how they choose the tunes
It's why I liked watching Through the Keyhole, to see Loyd mooch about the house.
I spent lockdown watching yacht tours on TH-cam.
How do ye fit so much into your lives? How do ye do everyday stuff and still manage to see, read, hear everything? How do you sit in the post office inquiry all day, make a movie and still have time to watch Clinton on a 1990s late night show? How do you write a book and adapt it into a movie and a stage show and still have time to watch netflix? What am I doing with my life?????
Never mind 'piano hands' Roberts.
Try Dion Dublin's 'stairs up to the bedrooms' (available on any TH-cam near you, now)
Totally agree with Richard that the Parisienne Agency is the best property show. I feel really invested in what this family is doing. The cattiness of those other shows drives me crazy, but when this family have disagreements you can see how badly it affects them emotionally because they're not just coworkers. Excellent.
This is DEFINITELY the best podcast ever
Cheers from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦. My mother and I adore Escape to the Country. We watch it on CBC.
the literal song selection on HUTH has been one of my favourite things for years.
I’m hoping that the upcoming UK election doesn’t mean this turns into a review of politicians on TV.
Completely in agreement about Glow Up. Love the glimpses into this world that is so foreign to me.
30:10 guess it's not too bad an ad for Apple if people blame Microsoft
“He’s not going to go on The Wheel” 😂
Like a proper snob, I've underestimated the reach of Loose Women.
Cartoon mice
3. Miss Bianca (The Rescuers)
2. Dangermouse
1. Gus (Cinderella)
That was a coincidence i was going to send a question in for rich as he had been on have i got news for you, i grew up with that show since it started but noticed a lot of politicians who appear on it look very awkward and wondered are they forced to go on it ? lol now saying that there are some that go on that are very very good like jess phillips and ruth dawson
Lard
@pd4165 oh that was great
I think that election night should have a live mash up of the rest is entertainment, politics and money. Brilliant
Top 3 mice? There's Danger Mouse, Mickey Mouse, and Mighty Mouse, enough said!
With regard to learning nothing from interviews with politicians… exactly the same can be said of PMQs (prime ministers questions). Totally pointless. In fact, it’s embarrassing. Literally none of the questions are answered, ever.
Top 3 mice:
1) Miss Bianca & Bernard (The Rescuers)
2) Jaq and Gus (Cinderella)
3) Roquefort the Mouse (The Aristocats)
Cheers from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
What about Fievel?
Arsineo Hall show was the biggest thing in pop culture for 5 years or so in the USA...
Liking a film doesn't suggest you don't understand it.
First episode I’ve switched off. Politics and tech/AI are not topics I thought would be covered and they’re not topics I’m interested in. Dull. All other episodes I’ve listened to more than once, and have loved
Oh that's interesting - this was the first episode I found a bit boring but for exactly the opposite reasons - can't abide property shows but really enjoyed the discussions of political leaders on the telly and the Scarlett Johansson/AI debacle - and loved Marina dissecting the dullard tech bros who currently rule our planet!!
I am interested in politics and tech/AI, but I also found this episode a little dull. I watched it to the end, but I found myself checking the progress bar a couple of times to see if it was nearly over, which I don't usually do...
@@thomasdalton1508 Interesting. Thank you. I guess we like this podcast for the insights into how TV and films work, and perhaps not real world depressing matters like politics (which I too, am usually interested in, but not in this podcast please!)
Boris was great on Loose Women! They'd be staring at the bedroom ceiling from now until Christmas! 😂😂
And have to change the titles to 'Tightened Up Women', a cost that could sink the show.
Hey Rich. Good on a talk show but rubbish as a PM. Perhaps Penny Mordaunt or Jesse Phillips could be the politicians prove that rule?
"Kaiser Soze"..lolz
Love how this comment has a 'translate to English' option.
I would have given the Scarlett's voice a lisp.
You learn very quickly what Siri can and can't do and that's why you end up using it for turning the lights on and playing music. Maybe send a message at a push if you want to repeat it a few times.
I'm guessing you're trying different things "for the algorithm" or whatever but in the spirit of feedback, this seems an odd choice (to me). The audio pod has been up for a day or two so it's clearly already recorded, better just to post the video as normal IMO.
(and wait, there's an _election_ campaign going on ? Note to self: try to leave cave occasionally)
We're able to get the audio edit for tuesday mornings. Video edits take quite a bit longer. To be consistent (we've read comments asking for us to be consistent), we're going to be posting Wednesday mornings and Friday mornings going forward. The Premiere function was to help people be aware of when videos go live!
- YT Admin - Wilbert
@@TheRestIsEntertainment Thanks. FWIW, I like getting the audio and enjoy listening/watching all of the TRIE incarnations as they're put out. I'm totally hooked!
My weekly fix 😁
VERY low volume on this one
They mispronounced Scarlett's name wrong. It's "Johansson" not "Johansson".
Double negative - so they were right 😀
@@pd4165 I commented just for the joke, but Scarlett pronounces the "J". Like Joe Hanson. So it's "Johansson" not "Johansson". 🙂
I think people are making a mountain out of a molehill with the Scarlett Johansson thing. Somebody did something they shouldn't have done, got called out on it and undid it. What's the problem? There are always going to be people doing things they shouldn't do. As long as we can deal with it appropriately when they do, there isn't a problem. As you say, there is already a law against passing off. The fact that people sometimes break that law does not mean we have some fundamental societal issue.
I think it demonstrates power without limits with a side order of misogyny... I'm with Marina on this one...
@@rachelstubley2539 Clearly, there are limits. She complained and they immediately backed down. And there is no evidence of any discrimination being involved. Was there a man in a similar situation treated differently?
It’s the familiar whiff of misogyny (no direct comparisons needed) of a woman’s consent/permission being withheld and that being ignored…
By the way, the power without limits I’m talking about is the point Richard made in the podcast about mega rich people who always get their own way…
@@rachelstubley2539 Your assumption that her gender is the only relevant thing about her seems rather sexist to me...
They think they have power without limits until they suddenly hit up against the limits, as he did here.
Fairly sure that the AI voice debate is more nuanced that portrayed here. Seems they have a voice actress who supplied the voice that is supposedly Johansson's voice and at least on first inspection that claim was proven. Not sure that the unnamed voice actress should be banned from making a living off her voice just because it "sounds like" someone else. IP law gone mad if it turns out to be true.
If you ask someone to be the voice of your product why do you want their voice? If it doesn't add profit then what's the point? And if it adds profit then the owner of the voice should be paid, because they're contributing.
If someone has a similar voice then fine - we're not all Morgan Freeman or James Earl Jones.
But if you like someone's voice enough to ask them to do voiceover work and then get someone to do a facsimile when you refuse, then that's iffy AF.
It's a slam/dunk IP issue in this case - once you've asked you can't put the cat back in the bag. They should just have got the 'impersonator' in straight away - if they just happen to naturally speak like someone else that's not an IP issue, we all sound like we do, unless we're acting. ScaJo doesn't have a massively distinctive voice so if they'd not revealed their hand it'd be a hard one to prove.
Your point about someone not being allowed to make a living - imagine being MorganFs voice double. That's not going to be easy on you because MF has a reputation (IP) to protect...and everyone will either think you're scoring a free ride on that or are unlucky AF, because it's not your fault nature made you that way. But I can't play professional football because of genetics and I have to suck it up - life's tough like that.
In the music world it frequently happens that you work under a name for years, and do moderately well. But if someone comes along and absolutely smashes it using the same name then they get to keep the name. And then they might even persecute you for usung their name. IP can be cruel because someone has to win.
@@pd4165 you seem to miss the point that they didn't advertise for a scarjo voice. They just hired a jobbing actress. Its dystopian af to suggest she has no rights. She isn't a scarjo impersonator nor was employed to be one.
This is 100% a case of 2+2 and everyone has got 5.
Richard "The Man of a Million Voices" ?
Sue Barker hasn’t ‘popped up’ for a couple of years, since she retired, so… not a tennis fan, than, at all?
Bajillion Dollar Propertie$ nailed the absurdity of high end property shows. If you enjoy laughing at those types of programs, give it a watch.
The latest episode of hignfy seemed like a soft trial for Richard and Phil Wang to be the replacements for Ian and Paul
I think Richard is concentrating more on his writing and just HOG?
Yes, Arsenio Hall was not the big talk show (yet) but what made it stand out was the Black youth audience.
"We'll make sure AI won't fall into the hands of bad actors." LOL, they just meant they're only going to train AI on *good* actors.
Marina Hyde regarding using Miss Johanson's voice said "how can he think this is good advatising" and "this is a home goal" all everyone is talking about is this specific thing regarding Chat at the moment. it's brilliant advertising for them, it's a win win situation for Chat
All publicity is good publicity? I'm not sure that's really true... At some point, governments are going to get their acts together and start regulating this stuff and the more problematic it has been when they do, the tighter those regulations will be.
I’ve watched buying London. It’s ok. It’s funny to see terrible Rasa reappear still with no charm. It’s funny to see the same houses reappear from other tv shows. It’s funny that they don’t actually sell any houses. It’s funny that there’s a lot of staff you don’t see. It’s easy nonsense going round places I know of. It’s completely contrived and the set pieces are common across all these shows. I think we all know they ship in the sales people, borrow clothes and manufacture the “drama”. It’s far from the worst
It's "Joe" hansson.
Not 'Yo" hansson. 😅
Well that's the Americanisation/Anglicisation of her name, Its clearly a Scandi name and literally means Johan's son I guarantee you in the Nordic and many European countries its pronounced Yohanson (its actually quite rare to pronounce the J as a J in Jam- English is more an outlier than the rule). So her pronunciation is acceptable, if not what we are used to.
Thought she pronounces her name, JO-hansson. not YO-hansson?
I'll ask Alexa.
SK-arlett Y-ohansson
That wannabe-Ferenghi Altman didn’t even try to hide the theft.
She does.
Hmmmm .. Zuckerman, Page, Brin, Altman ... None of these things is not like the other.
Pixie and Dixie.
Jerry.
The mouse organ from Bagpuss.
I remember an interview from a few years back when Scarlett Johansson confirmed that her surname is pronounced 'Joe' rather than 'Yo'.
You do you obvs. x
I didn't get that memo either.
I have a surname that can be mispronounced, according to taste - but as long as they spell it right on the cheque it doesn't really matter.
Come on, please can you move Marina's mic over to the side (or shift the camer a bit) so we can see her face emoting? And while we're on the subjects of mics: are they real or are they just set props? I rather suspect the latter.
I don't see any other microphones and they clearly have working microphones since we can hear them. Why would you doubt the microphones?
General prejudice. Plus, from time to time the presenters bump into them or move them and there’s no corresponding thump or rustle.. ditto no noticeable sound drop off when the speaker’s head moves closer or more distant. Could be just great engineering of course
@@russellrichardson554 What microphone(s) do you think they are actually using? I think it is probably just a professional editor fixing any audio problems.
Just a light hearted (conspiracy theory) comment. We should ask them! Boom mics?
@@russellrichardson554 There are a few times when Marina goes off axis with the mic and the sound does drop so it's clear that she is talking into that mic.
Just to be boring and say the same thing. A great podcast.
I stopped listening to the radio four today program because of the back-and-forth that just became pointless. (No pun intended!)
The AI developments, speaking as somebody who spent 40 odd years in IT, is probably going to be very bad. It has incredible potential for good but I think the companies involved are just motivated by money and what they can do. It’s going to be scary. The scaling up of the compute power with NVIDEA graphics cards and the abilities of these large language models and multimodal models are just off the scale.
Personally I think some of the development of the last 18 months isn’t even exponential it’s larger than that. I hit 70 in a few days, I’ve been fascinated by AI since seeing 2001 in 1967, now I don’t think it’s a good idea. Once we achieve AGI it won’t necessarily be that long before we invent super intelligent AI and that it is even scarier.
Are Richards drinking vessels multiplying?
Maybe it's one of those diva affairs - most drinking vessels win (Marina had two).
I do think they were inspired a bit by Scarlett's voice, but they're not that similar. If OpenAI had never contacted Scarlett, I don't think even she would've reacted.
Well, Sam Altman still acted as a bellend tweeting what he did, so of course she would have reacted. It just looks so much worse when they actually did contact her and she said no, and they still went through with it....
I wonder if they did a CBA on this scenario - the free publicity from this case must be worth a fortune.
@@axels9179 Yes, I'm sure they had planned to use her voice, but when she said no, they had to alter it. In my opinion, they got it far enough away, but when you know they wanted her voice to begin with, it's easier to make the connection.
@@pd4165 well, it's not like "free publicity" is all that great when the publicity basically is just telling everyone that your CEO is a major creep who can't take a no for a no...
AI is a solution looking for a problem.
Alex Salmomd was a great politician who could do shows like the one show
You can't be both - at least not at the same time.
Jerry Mouse
Mighty Mouse
Mickey Mouse
Why does everyone in the UK mispronounce Scarlett Johansson's name YO-hansson? Isn't she well-known over there? I thought she was one of the biggest box office stars in the world. It seems odd that Brit presenters don't know how she pronounces her name.
Because Johansson is a Scandinavian name and back home in Denmark (where her dad is from) that's how you pronounce Johansson.
At least that's what all the Johanssons we are aware of do - Scandinavians come over for football matches or cheap drinking weekends (flights are cheap, Scandinavian booze is expensive) or play in our football leagues etc.
Jo-han-son appears to be a US variant, in Europe we hear Yo-hahn-son.
How did Clinton survive for so long if he doesn't know how to inhale? Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathing is very important.
That's the difference between us mere mortals and presidents.
@@pd4165 Or it proves he's a reptilian.
Odd to hear so many Americanisms creeping. "Smarter" instead of "more clever". "Nuts" instead of "batty" or "balmy". Surely there is room in entertainment for the King's English.
How are those Americanisms? "Smart" meaning clever has been in the English language since at least 1571, long before America was a thing. And "nuts" has meant crazy for centuries on either side of the pond.
BTW, you mean "barmy", not "balmy". "Balmy" is the American spelling, ironically...
IMO I don't think people should be able to protect the 'vague sound of their voice', there are 7 billion people on this earth and an AI will always sound like one of them - as long as they are not trying to claim it actually is scarlett doing the voice
Due to the film 'Her', there is inherent value in using her voice specifically. They asked Johanson directly for permission to use recordings of her voice as the training input, which she denied - I believe deadline reported that Spike Jones who directed Her also denied them permission. They then put the AI voice out publicly anyway. That is the issue, they used recordings of her voice to create the digital profile after having permission refused. It's super shady, and when they were called out they quickly pulled it down and put up one that had not been trained on recordings of her voice. The AI no longer sounds like Johanson.
@@leelaunay5613 they are not using her voice specifically, it isnt even clear they have scrapped her voice to make the voice. Obviously there is a chance she could win a case in the courts so they are taking the risk adverse approach. I am saying I don't think it is right that people can protect their voice - it isnt an artistic creation
@@user-bw8qc9tr6r Seems reasonable for actors at least to be able to protect their _likeness_ whether it's their face or voice - that's part of their living after all (and part of why the US actors union was on strike last year). This is already settled law in other contexts (it wouldn't be OK for instance to ask Johansson to model for a product and then when she refused just seamlessly Photoshop her face into the adverts) so I suspect if/when this issue ever gets to court they'll just amend the existing legislation.
But whether it actually _is_ her voice is a different question. OpenAI at least claim it's another actress they hired for the purpose (if there's new information though i'd love to see links etc.). The original demo is still easily watchable online, no one has "pulled it down" (though yes, they removed the voice from GPT4-o itself) and personally I didn't when I first heard it and still don't now think it sounds much like Scarlett Johansson. It does _remind_ me of her character in "Her" but mainly because it's designed to sound like a "generic flirty American woman".
Don't get me wrong BTW, they _may_ have used her voice in training and then tweaked it later (after she refused permission, more than once IIRC) so they could plausibly deny it - this is a multi billion dollar company, blithely ignoring individual rights is nothing new to any of them - AND Sam Altman _definitely_ shot himself in the foot by tweeting "Her" when they launched the demo AND I think it _is_ slightly creepy but mostly because it sounds like a stereotypical tech bro fantasy of a woman (giggly, flattering, breathy etc.) rather than because OpenAI stole Scarlett Johansson's voice specifically.
That makes no sense. You want a billion dollar tech company to profit off of someone else’s work then? You realise the implications within the music industry if this is allowed?
@@MyFluXx What work are they profiting off exactly? That is my point, music and film and actual creative endeavours should be protected. The sound of someones voice should not be - unless you are actually claiming it was the person which would be fraud
So Sunak is boring, Johnson is a bad Prime minister, but Starmer has charisma. Hmm, We see which bench warms your cheeks.
Anyone get the feeling that Richard is fed up of doing these now? It's just an hour of listening to Marina.
You seem to be projecting your difficulty with women onto him.
They have different backgrounds, so one or the other talks more based on the subject of the episode.
I think Marina & Richard compliment each other beautifully. They both bring something different to the party.
@@ladyflimflamI’m female and I agree
26:43 This is always such a dumb take that she has. Ofcourse this has happened, right off the top of my head I can think of Crispen Flover in Back to the Future 2. They both have this blinkered view that women are always the victim and that men success is only because of privileged etc.
Love this podcast but - too much Marina sometimes
Rubbish.
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Found Sam Altman.
How is this comment 11hours old?
@@NathanWoollaston Premiere feature.