A lot of people think comments don’t matter but I’m a real person asking All viewers who believe to please pray for me in my desperate situation. I’m am weakened and unable to fix this. I believe in the power of prayer and need your faith, please, help me. Thank you for caring.
3 years later, I prayed for you Deborah, I don't know how things have gone since then but I hope you're feeling good. God bless you Deborah, I'll try to remember this and keep praying for you.
Some time in your life you will stop to question whether your beliefs are grounded in reality or not. You will do the hard work and realise they are not. The good news it i that this realisation will set you free and make like more rewarding and precious.
+My OpenMind Hello again, OpenMind! I appreciate you letting me know that but as you sure know with Internet communications it is difficult to know the other person you are talking to well. During my twenties I did the assessment of my worldview and asked the hard questions you yourself have gone through and came to a different, if not, more informed conclusion. I looked at the comments people are posting on this video and many are antitheist which is peculiar considering they must not believe in God. My OpenMind if you're truly free from the religion you once adhered to blindly why do you still carry the chains around you by searching out videos and commenting. If there's no meaning at all, why not leave them to their delusion? There's no truth in atheism, let people believe what they will for it ultimately doesn't matter. Take care and God Bless.
Hardware is of a different category than software, even a computer cannot be reduced to materialism since information is not physical. Information can be mathematically quantitated, it can be represented by arrangements in matter, but it is not matter nor reducible to matter. What is a physical law? What is mathematics? All these are real, quantifiable, interact with the physical but are not physical. Information exists, but is not matter. Thus materialism is inadequate to explain nature, let alone the spiritual.
The physical, or matter as such, presupposes information or order. Which is basically saying that everything that exists contains BEING. And, by definition, without BEING nothing can exist. And obviously, BEING, doesn't presuppose Matter or the physical. Therefore, BEING, order or information, which is an inseparable triad, is more basic and necessary than the physical, or Matter as such.
Has anyone addressed this problem? If every mental process is the result of chemical reactions in the brain, then the chemical action must precede before the mental process. The various chemicals in the brain must first be generated to activate the neural process before the brain can think or even articulate a word. How does the chemical know beforehand what it wanted to say! It may only be nano seconds delay but if the mind is the process of the brain and the brain is activated by chemicals, and there is a time lag between them, then all reactions must have been determined before the event. I hope this makes sense, I've tried to simplify the argument otherwise it would take enormous space on this site. Maranatha >
It’s hard to rap my head around he idea that something material can be come aware of itself.. like a rocks or minerals, I think back to a seminar Dr James tour gave at Waterloo, where he goes on to say no matter how much money you get funded or how many intelligent people you have, you cannot create a cell without DNA , and yet this happened by pure luck and chance. Regardless of how much time is given rocks and minerals never become self aware.
This is a very inspirational interview and good explanations about souls in the science realm. Very interesting to, I was wanting more. thanks J.P. Moreland. You a re great.
I'm a Christian, and I truly respect professor J.P. Moreland, but I didn't really hear him go into the evidence from neuroscience. He offered definitions and beliefs in this video and that's about it.
Sorry, but there is a great big rabbit in the room here. If human minds are immaterial, surely animal minds are immaterial. So, then - when an animal dies, what happens to its mind? Does its mind die? If so, what’s different about human minds that means they somehow survive physical death? Such a difference is not even remotely hinted at in this video. Huge omission.
The problem comes from thinking that the soul is separate from the body. It’s not. The word soul, written as (nephesh) in the Old Testament is used for both men and animal alike. The word refers to a living being. That’s why in the Old Testament something they would refer to a dead body as a dead soul
Can anyone explain this to me if we have a soul and I get hit on the head I lose consciousness if consciousness is being produced by the soul , why do I lose it and anesthesia can make you lose consciousness to
Thanks for this short clip! I thank God for your approach, your willingness to dialogue and to learn. Sorry for my poor English! It is not my first language. I am a pastor of a small church and love the Lord and try to serve Him as much as He gives me strength and I strive for truth. My question: As a Christian How far am I ready to listen and learn. How eager am I to search for truth? Are my convictions the limit? Is my understanding of the Bible the limit? What if some scientific discoveries totally contradict and challenge my belief system? Am I ready to test and try to understand even the things that might shatter my faith? Isn't Truth/God bigger than my understanding of the Bible? Should I reject "truth" (new discoveries) because they may impact my culture, values system, lifestyle? The good thing about science is that, hopefully, the scientists are always open for challenges and are willing to adjust their theories and learn. Am I as a Christians as much eager to learn the truth about God and His creation, about different things? Am I really willing to know the truth to be set free?
@zempath Ignoramus! Every aspect of Western civilization is based on Christian ethos. For example, Christianity is the cradle of modern science. MOST of the pioneers in MODERN science had the Cross of Jesus Christ as the central truth in their lives ; men like Newton (who discovered the laws of gravity), the Wright brothers (who discovered how to defy Newton's laws), Priestley (who discovered Oxygen, without which you and I would be dead), Mendel (who discovered the laws of heredity), Lemaître (the Christian priest of the "Big Bang Theory"); etc, etc. Modern science would probably not be what it is today without Christianity, because Christianity gave the philosophical framework (a universe created by a God of law and order) and the ethical motivation (a God of love for whom people have infinite value) for the scientists to blossom in their endeavour.
Who is neuroscience to respect as an authority concerning the soul ? The soul, is clearly immaterial, science deals with the material world. I couldn’t care less what science has to say concerning the soul, if it contradicts what the scripture has deemed to be so. Nothing left to say here.
@@deanbornman77 why would you even give such an answer? 🤦♂️ If you know the answer, answer it directly. Don't complicate things by telling people to read 66 books and 1000 over chapters to get an answer
I'd like to know when we aquired a soul..as far back when we were apes or primitive man or modern man.. Will we meet all our ancestors including our ape-like cousins when we die
Biblically they are separate. It says God's Spirit gives life to all things (Psalm 104:30) Whereas the soul, or *nephesh* is " a Biblical Hebrew word which... refers to the aspects of sentience, and human beings and other animals are both described as having nephesh. Plants, as an example of live organisms, are not referred in the Bible as having nephesh." Wikipedia
I consider myself a Christian, I try to follow Christ's teachings but I'm not perfect, none of us are. I do not go to or belong to and brick and mortar church nor am I q member of any particular religion. I thonk those who believe God made everything in 6 days need to ask, was that in our solar days or in what a day is to God? I don't believe it was our day and who knows how long a day is for God? Also man and his creation, I believe in creation but I also believe in science, in evolution. With an open mind and not taking the Bible word for word an exact book of everything because we don't know. If we go simply by the Bible's timeline the everything is only 6,000 years old give or take a few decades or centuries but science tells us the universe and the earth and stars are billions of years old. Creation and evolution fit together when we realize the Bible was written by man thinking in man's intellect thousands of years ago and that's understanding that the Bible most Christians, all really is not God's word it's man's word written down as his feeble intellect could understand. There are all kinds of versions of the Bible, many people use the King James version and think it's the word of God. No its not, it's the word of King James if England who had the Latin version translated into English and that was a loose translation that was what the King wanted it to be. Faith and belief in God and Jesus are in each of our minds, we are our own church, when we wake up and open our eyes and look outside at the earth, sky, trees, everything, that is God's church. Science and evolution fit together perfectly.
Was with you all the way to the rabbit, and then - A Rabbit pulled a rabbit out of the hat? 1. Rabbit cannot come from nothing! 2. Consciousness is immaterial (Capital letter R-abbit). 3. The hat is, I think material...? I suppose on investigation it may be a - necessary immaterial 'rabbitness' being explained to me by a magician (apologist) as the best explanation for nothing coming out of the hat. At sme point “rabbit” is not being used in the same way.
I would have to disagree with J.P. Moreland. We could have strictly physical and still have life after death. There's a decent argument for this in Moreland's Debating Christian Theism, which is a fantastic compendium of theological and philosophical arguments. I don't think that's correct, but it's still an interesting question.
themetsfan861 How? Without a soul, death is the end of who we are. Even those who believe in reincarnation smuggle in a soul in some format. Being carried in the memories of others is not life after death.
Ian Belletti I don't exactly understand it. I think the idea is that we have some sort of emergentist mind, and that mind is ontologically irreducible. Somehow, God would act to continue our lives. I don't really buy it. I do think, however, that substance dualism is strongly challenged by neuroscience. As Moreland implies, however, there are different types of dualism. Some are unchallenged by science.
Ian Belletti I agree that the soul exists. I was merely responding to Moreland's talk. I am personally a Catholic who leans toward Thomism. I would still recommend the essay in Debating Christian Theism for a better coverage of a possible objection.
themetsfan861 My pastor and his wife Jan are apostles, she prayed to G-d for me to be raptured and I was. She gave this same experience to another person from my prayer group at church. She must have had this experience herself in order to give it to others. Glorification is experiencing atemporally everything you've ever experienced in your life up to that point.
Substance dualism is separate from atheism. We have many physicalist theists and many dualist atheists. No need to keep maintaining these outdated associations.
So it's God of the Gaps again, eh? I would reverse this and say that many atheists can't explain phenomena such as mind and will and they come up with all sorts of wild materialist explanations that defy logic: in this case, it is materialism of the gaps.
I’m Christian and there’s tonnes I haven’t figured out and may never do so. My Gaithersburg hasn’t come from trying to fill gaps or find answers but rather the incredible amount of evidence that stacks up to a very strong case for God. As science in the fields of DNA, biology and astronomy continue to grow, the case for evolution becomes harder to swallow.
But he has an unshakable faith that there is such a thing as a soul. Not sure how much science you can really do when you are precommitted to an unproven assumption.
He isn't precomitted at all, that's a precommitment you have about his beliefs. We know we have souls because the evidence says so which is why be thinks that.
I don't understand how simply disagreeing with him makes you correct...You give no proof of anything, just making statements of denial...thats all you are doing...You can't even make a video out of that...
trollforlife Can you prove that statement? In reality, no one can truly say if it exists or not. Consciousness is a bewildering subject that no one has been able to confirm nor deny objectively.
A lot of people think comments don’t matter but I’m a real person asking All viewers who believe to please pray for me in my desperate situation. I’m am weakened and unable to fix this. I believe in the power of prayer and need your faith, please, help me. Thank you for caring.
Hey, I know this is two years later, but I hope that all is well and that you're better now, Deborah.
Hey Deborah, how’s everything going now?
3 years later, I prayed for you Deborah, I don't know how things have gone since then but I hope you're feeling good. God bless you Deborah, I'll try to remember this and keep praying for you.
I took a number of courses under JP. My mind is still blown.
He's an awesome dude!!!!! I met him and he was very gracious God bless you brother JP!
By awesome you mean backward, misinformed, limited, regressive, closed-minded?
My OpenMind Sure,if you say so. You looked up this information for a reason, God bless man
Some time in your life you will stop to question whether your beliefs are grounded in reality or not. You will do the hard work and realise they are not.
The good news it i that this realisation will set you free and make like more rewarding and precious.
+My OpenMind Hello again, OpenMind! I appreciate you letting me know that but as you sure know with Internet communications it is difficult to know the other person you are talking to well. During my twenties I did the assessment of my worldview and asked the hard questions you yourself have gone through and came to a different, if not, more informed conclusion. I looked at the comments people are posting on this video and many are antitheist which is peculiar considering they must not believe in God. My OpenMind if you're truly free from the religion you once adhered to blindly why do you still carry the chains around you by searching out videos and commenting. If there's no meaning at all, why not leave them to their delusion? There's no truth in atheism, let people believe what they will for it ultimately doesn't matter. Take care and God Bless.
Openmind, hush child
Physical fitness is always emphasized as beneficial yet we so easily overlook the benefits of soul fitness.
What a well spoken guy.
Hardware is of a different category than software, even a computer cannot be reduced to materialism since information is not physical. Information can be mathematically quantitated, it can be represented by arrangements in matter, but it is not matter nor reducible to matter. What is a physical law? What is mathematics? All these are real, quantifiable, interact with the physical but are not physical. Information exists, but is not matter. Thus materialism is inadequate to explain nature, let alone the spiritual.
The physical, or matter as such, presupposes information or order. Which is basically saying that everything that exists contains BEING. And, by definition, without BEING nothing can exist. And obviously, BEING, doesn't presuppose Matter or the physical. Therefore, BEING, order or information, which is an inseparable triad, is more basic and necessary than the physical, or Matter as such.
So does a phone have a soul too then?
NDE study has been proving a soul for years.
Has anyone addressed this problem? If every mental process is the result of chemical reactions in the brain, then the chemical action must precede before the mental process. The various chemicals in the brain must first be generated to activate the neural process before the brain can think or even articulate a word. How does the chemical know beforehand what it wanted to say! It may only be nano seconds delay but if the mind is the process of the brain and the brain is activated by chemicals, and there is a time lag between them, then all reactions must have been determined before the event.
I hope this makes sense, I've tried to simplify the argument otherwise it would take enormous space on this site. Maranatha >
There is nothing here of substance, just defining what people may believe or what the Bible could be saying.
It’s hard to rap my head around he idea that something material can be come aware of itself.. like a rocks or minerals, I think back to a seminar Dr James tour gave at Waterloo, where he goes on to say no matter how much money you get funded or how many intelligent people you have, you cannot create a cell without DNA , and yet this happened by pure luck and chance. Regardless of how much time is given rocks and minerals never become self aware.
Quality comment this. 👍 Yes, I agree entirely.
The mirror-like alternating shots compliment the man's words nicely, I think.
This is a very inspirational interview and good explanations about souls in the science realm. Very interesting to, I was wanting more. thanks J.P. Moreland. You a re great.
I'm a Christian, and I truly respect professor J.P. Moreland, but I didn't really hear him go into the evidence from neuroscience. He offered definitions and beliefs in this video and that's about it.
the video is 13 min long, there is not way to get into the detail you want. Get the book.
Sorry, but there is a great big rabbit in the room here. If human minds are immaterial, surely animal minds are immaterial. So, then - when an animal dies, what happens to its mind? Does its mind die? If so, what’s different about human minds that means they somehow survive physical death? Such a difference is not even remotely hinted at in this video. Huge omission.
The problem comes from thinking that the soul is separate from the body. It’s not. The word soul, written as (nephesh) in the Old Testament is used for both men and animal alike. The word refers to a living being. That’s why in the Old Testament something they would refer to a dead body as a dead soul
Can anyone explain this to me if we have a soul and I get hit on the head I lose consciousness if consciousness is being produced by the soul , why do I lose it and anesthesia can make you lose consciousness to
Thanks for this short clip! I thank God for your approach, your willingness to dialogue and to learn. Sorry for my poor English! It is not my first language. I am a pastor of a small church and love the Lord and try to serve Him as much as He gives me strength and I strive for truth.
My question: As a Christian How far am I ready to listen and learn. How eager am I to search for truth? Are my convictions the limit? Is my understanding of the Bible the limit? What if some scientific discoveries totally contradict and challenge my belief system? Am I ready to test and try to understand even the things that might shatter my faith? Isn't Truth/God bigger than my understanding of the Bible?
Should I reject "truth" (new discoveries) because they may impact my culture, values system, lifestyle? The good thing about science is that, hopefully, the scientists are always open for challenges and are willing to adjust their theories and learn. Am I as a Christians as much eager to learn the truth about God and His creation, about different things? Am I really willing to know the truth to be set free?
No entendí nada
"When you measure, you know." Kelvin
I like the violin music in between your talking
I like your sarcasm!
people believe in a materialistic world until their car got stolen.
Same here Deborah. Let us know you are ok
People don't know that many ideals and things in society today came from Christian thinking and values.
@zempath Ignoramus! Every aspect of Western civilization is based on Christian ethos. For example, Christianity is the cradle of modern science. MOST of the pioneers in MODERN science had the Cross of Jesus Christ as the central truth in their lives ; men like Newton (who discovered the laws of gravity), the Wright brothers (who discovered how to defy Newton's laws), Priestley (who discovered Oxygen, without which you and I would be dead), Mendel (who discovered the laws of heredity), Lemaître (the Christian priest of the "Big Bang Theory"); etc, etc. Modern science would probably not be what it is today without Christianity, because Christianity gave the philosophical framework (a universe created by a God of law and order) and the ethical motivation (a God of love for whom people have infinite value) for the scientists to blossom in their endeavour.
Who is neuroscience to respect as an authority concerning the soul ? The soul, is clearly immaterial, science deals with the material world. I couldn’t care less what science has to say concerning the soul, if it contradicts what the scripture has deemed to be so. Nothing left to say here.
Some old problem: starting with a conclusion and emphasizing the "grave implications" then working backwards to create a "just so" story.
We are souls that have bodies, or spirits that have bodies and souls? Interested to hear if and how Moreland distinguishes a person's soul and spirit.
Read the bible. it clearly states differences.
@@deanbornman77 why would you even give such an answer? 🤦♂️ If you know the answer, answer it directly. Don't complicate things by telling people to read 66 books and 1000 over chapters to get an answer
@@jjr2574 why not? There's nothing wrong with my answer. If you dont want to read it, google the verses.
I'd like to know when we aquired a soul..as far back when we were apes or primitive man or modern man.. Will we meet all our ancestors including our ape-like cousins when we die
We acquired a soul when we were born. Evolution isn't real.
Do animals have souls also (every creatures with brain)? Or is it only humans that have souls?
Why?
Technically a soul is just a living being we are souls, what’s meant by soul in this video is “spirit”.
@@justchilling704 do democrats have souls?
@@globalconfideration1254 I doubt it jk 😂
Are the soul and spirit different
They're the same thing.
Biblically they are separate. It says God's Spirit gives life to all things (Psalm 104:30)
Whereas the soul, or *nephesh* is
" a Biblical Hebrew word which... refers to the aspects of sentience, and human beings and other animals are both described as having nephesh. Plants, as an example of live organisms, are not referred in the Bible as having nephesh." Wikipedia
Those strings in the intro are lush!
brianleehisorchestra.bandcamp.com Woot Woot!
I consider myself a Christian, I try to follow Christ's teachings but I'm not perfect, none of us are. I do not go to or belong to and brick and mortar church nor am I q member of any particular religion. I thonk those who believe God made everything in 6 days need to ask, was that in our solar days or in what a day is to God? I don't believe it was our day and who knows how long a day is for God? Also man and his creation, I believe in creation but I also believe in science, in evolution. With an open mind and not taking the Bible word for word an exact book of everything because we don't know. If we go simply by the Bible's timeline the everything is only 6,000 years old give or take a few decades or centuries but science tells us the universe and the earth and stars are billions of years old. Creation and evolution fit together when we realize the Bible was written by man thinking in man's intellect thousands of years ago and that's understanding that the Bible most Christians, all really is not God's word it's man's word written down as his feeble intellect could understand. There are all kinds of versions of the Bible, many people use the King James version and think it's the word of God. No its not, it's the word of King James if England who had the Latin version translated into English and that was a loose translation that was what the King wanted it to be. Faith and belief in God and Jesus are in each of our minds, we are our own church, when we wake up and open our eyes and look outside at the earth, sky, trees, everything, that is God's church. Science and evolution fit together perfectly.
Great truth !
Was with you all the way to the rabbit, and then - A Rabbit pulled a rabbit out of the hat?
1. Rabbit cannot come from nothing! 2. Consciousness is immaterial (Capital letter R-abbit). 3. The hat is, I think material...? I suppose on investigation it may be a - necessary immaterial 'rabbitness' being explained to me by a magician (apologist) as the best explanation for nothing coming out of the hat. At sme point “rabbit” is not being used in the same way.
Speak for yourself. Don Cornelius had a lot of soul.
genius
I would have to disagree with J.P. Moreland. We could have strictly physical and still have life after death. There's a decent argument for this in Moreland's Debating Christian Theism, which is a fantastic compendium of theological and philosophical arguments. I don't think that's correct, but it's still an interesting question.
themetsfan861 How? Without a soul, death is the end of who we are. Even those who believe in reincarnation smuggle in a soul in some format. Being carried in the memories of others is not life after death.
Ian Belletti
I don't exactly understand it. I think the idea is that we have some sort of emergentist mind, and that mind is ontologically irreducible. Somehow, God would act to continue our lives. I don't really buy it. I do think, however, that substance dualism is strongly challenged by neuroscience. As Moreland implies, however, there are different types of dualism. Some are unchallenged by science.
In Christian terms, what you have described is the soul.
Ian Belletti I agree that the soul exists. I was merely responding to Moreland's talk. I am personally a Catholic who leans toward Thomism. I would still recommend the essay in Debating Christian Theism for a better coverage of a possible objection.
themetsfan861 My pastor and his wife Jan are apostles, she prayed to G-d for me to be raptured and I was. She gave this same experience to another person from my prayer group at church. She must have had this experience herself in order to give it to others. Glorification is experiencing atemporally everything you've ever experienced in your life up to that point.
Substance dualism is separate from atheism. We have many physicalist theists and many dualist atheists. No need to keep maintaining these outdated associations.
atheists are purely materialist. cannot have souls without God.
Create more societies for what you like to be true.
what a waste of resources and time.
So basically If I can't figure out something I create God in that place and problem solved.
He didn't say that at all...where the hell did you get that?
So it's God of the Gaps again, eh? I would reverse this and say that many atheists can't explain phenomena such as mind and will and they come up with all sorts of wild materialist explanations that defy logic: in this case, it is materialism of the gaps.
I’m Christian and there’s tonnes I haven’t figured out and may never do so. My Gaithersburg hasn’t come from trying to fill gaps or find answers but rather the incredible amount of evidence that stacks up to a very strong case for God. As science in the fields of DNA, biology and astronomy continue to grow, the case for evolution becomes harder to swallow.
Belief in the soul is delusional. Consciousness is an emergent property of biological processes.
So free will is an illusion and now the soul is debunked ,God is driving the bus oh no.
How is free will an illusion?
But he has an unshakable faith that there is such a thing as a soul. Not sure how much science you can really do when you are precommitted to an unproven assumption.
Okay, but literally everyone is precommitted to unproven assumptions, correct?
He isn't precomitted at all, that's a precommitment you have about his beliefs. We know we have souls because the evidence says so which is why be thinks that.
the soul does not exist
Denying that you have no soul is proof of nothing. Except that you disagree.
I don't understand how simply disagreeing with him makes you correct...You give no proof of anything, just making statements of denial...thats all you are doing...You can't even make a video out of that...
Correct. The soul doesn't exist.
trollforlife Can you prove that statement?
In reality, no one can truly say if it exists or not. Consciousness is a bewildering subject that no one has been able to confirm nor deny objectively.
The more I live the less I believe in god
Laughable, not even a shred of evidence for the soul!
god = fairytale
Hilarious basic but yet extremely weak claim
No God = nothing
Apparently that is the the best they’ve got... but seems like a bad view LOL
Neueregel just keep telling yourself that
Basically he hasn't a clue what he is talking about.
Isn't philosophy about thinking and not about knowing?