Oh guess what A Sektor gameplay Teaser got released and your probably not going to like this about Sektor but now in MK 1 Sektor uses a gun and I know how much you hate characters using guns so Sektor maybe another gun character you hate
I love the thought of people making "bad characters" look good. I'm a Rambo main in mk 11, and he's the "worst in the game," but with the right work, I can make him look good just like F0xy grandpa makes sub zero in other words any character can be viable if you make them.
I’m a sub main and yes I wish he had a slight edge over other characters a bit more but he is very fun and very mid tier WHICH IS FINE. People just like to bitch and moan about whatever.
For sure. In fact, and perhaps you can relate to this, I don’t think any character I’ve ever loved to play in ANY fighting game has ever been above mid tier or low tier 😂 smash bros, tekken, DBZ, guilty gear, whichever.
@@nathanielreichert4638characters tat take work feel the best. It's either rewarding when they get buffed like Nitara and Scorpion and it just feels fun period to not use the meta.
He isn't amazing but he's not nearly as bad as yall say, if they raised his damage a bit he would be pretty good, you guys act kike gaps are the end of the world
Lol this is so crazy. This is the first game I’ve actually MAINED Sub Zero/Tremor. Reptile has always been my favorite character though. I’m glad people are actually defending Sub Zero.
@@OpenMiker-rp4eo subs a good character it’s how he’s played that’s frustrating he’s played (with chameleon btw) as a zoner and that full screen lifestyles isn’t fun, his kit is lacking but not much i think you should be able to cancel out of the dive kick by spending a bar to ice clone out I think that would be cool but not op
Is it a mk fandom trend to complain about one specific voice actor? Mk11 sonya and mk1 nitara, sure they aren't as good as other voice actor in the games, but why do you care so much? They are still good character gameplay wise. Crybabies strikes again.
I main sub so knowing ppl hate on him makes me want to play against them and teach them just how good sub really is. I also want to see a Sub Frost team win a tournament.(that’s the team I play with)
i still think sub is pretty bad, it’s the kameos doing the work for him that says a lot, and his amp moves should be buffed and be faster like everyone else amp moves are
no because if he has that on top of his good damage he will be top He has great 50/50,zoning and damage he literally only suffers in some neutral situations
Honestly, the worst part of every MK are the people who play this game. I'm tired of being gaslighted and told I'm just a casual who's not good when I point out obvious issues and flaws with the game. Pro players are good for this. They swear up and down certain things aren't issues while simultaneously literally making a living of off those things. They swear certain characters aren't broken but those are the only characters they'll use in tournaments, then they'll call people casuals and say that certain characters aren't bad and you just need to get better but they won't dare to pick those characters in tournament. The discourse in the MK community is so toxic and disingenuous.
THIS VIDEO WAS NEEDED! Thank you, Foxygrampa! The lobbying for Sub is really getting tired. If you really listen to Sub-Zero players, all they're really saying is, "We want Sub to be top 5". They're really just bitching.
I thought this vid was gonna be about F0xy trolling bad ONLINE players that he randomly finds 😆 Although that is nothing new since at least MK11, I believe.
And also for the record any character is good with a person with a brain. Everyone is so used to being braindead that they forget if you use your brain any character can catch someone off guard. Just takes time and discipline.
Yep in a way you are are right and all while we saw Sonic use Nitara in a tournament and win a game against one of the twins and this was way before the buffs so Nitara wasn't that bad before that either. The thing is everyone has a style and sometimes their favorite characters can't play the style they like.. I want to play Jade in MK11 cuz I love her but her style does not match mine.. I want to play Smoke and Tanya in MK1 and I do well with them but the perfect character for me in this game is Sindel as I'm also a fan of her and she happens to be one of the characters that have everything pretty much..
Idk why F0xy said Brady doesn’t know how to play Sub in MKX or 11, but also, idk why Brady said that F0xy doesn’t understand how to play Sub in ANY game 😂 Sub was great in X and 11 although he had some bad matchups and wasn’t top-tier. Maybe F0xy meant how Brady played Sub in 9 as a trap character, but how different was MKX Sub from that? Also, Brady’s main gripe about Sub in 11 was he thought he was boring. F0xy played a great Sub in 11, also.
Perfect example of a top tier doing low damage is Homelander. He usually struggles to break 30% in a bnb, but he has a 3 way mix that launches and can get a massively plus restand with Janet that forces you into another RPS guess. Once you get hit once by Homelander you get put into a blender and if you guess wrong, you're losing at least 60% of your health bar.
I find this interesting because as a baraka main I’ll admit sub zeros are the bane of my existence as a pressure heavy character. So because of this I have always respected and had trouble with sub zeros. Its one of the match ups I have to carefully watch out for more than others
On the topic of Juri and the concept that she was bad in SFV at first but beat a top tier, this was also the case in MK. In MK2 scorpion was considered a low tier character but he outright beat the best 2 characters in the game, Jax and Mileena
Foxy is fun, but he sometimes doesn’t completely think through things. He made a video about some older player talking about returning and competing with the pros. I added a comment about it being extra difficult because of the effects of aging and reflexes. He tried to shoot down what I said, pointing to Dragon having bad reflexes but being able to win because he has strategy. I replied that he should revisit that claim when he’s over 50 lol… I don’t think he said anything else, but if I had seen anything else, I was going to present a nice challenge. Since he’s a pro and would be able to devise perfect strategies to beat an OG (played every MK game since 1992) casual player like me, he could train a 90 yo to play me at the next EVO… if age and reflexes aren’t a factor, then I’m sure the 90 yo with his superior strategy would win, right ;) … btw, I was at EVO for day 2 this year. It was sad to see the MK decline in person. I hope things turn around. I like MK1.
Sub zero has been my main since the first 3 months of the release of the game. Despite his flaws I really enjoy playing him still to this day. Just a fun character in general
I love how everone is on Cyrax rn but no one cares what they done to scorpion: change the character Hanzo to kuai liang , no more katana, teleport is no longer cool they ruined scorp
Underdawg if you actually read every comment i need your help. My friend an quite a bit of other NRS players still haven’t even unlocked a single Kameo. My cousin has been playing since day one, his account is wayyyy above level 80 and he still haven’t even unlocked Kung Lao. Can you look into this and make it known to the wider audience so we can get this resolved. Even WB support is saying they don’t even know why it is happening. Big supporter, keep the content going.
Day 1 sub main, consistently hit demi to elder God (depending on if the skins cool lol), he's not bad at all. Most people play him wayyyyy too aggressively and rely too hard on mix-zero. Slowing down and chipping your opponent away is extremely effective. Honestly for all sub mains, try slowing down, let them make mistakes before putting pressure on, it works wonders.
Smoke is a rush down character that relies on you dancing with him. Reptile is always dancing outside of gravity. Sub is a retreatist that relies on his own predictability to punish people who think they read him too well and scorpion game is to punish distance. Rain is a zoner and ermac is a cancel god. All the ninjas are goated. Mileena is most similar reptile because they rely on outside focus where smoke and tanya are tightly in your face. Kitana is most like scorpion cuz she punishes distance in the same ways. Lui is a strike grab. Barrack is pure rushdown no trick play. Each character is truly unique put a lot of players play the game like they are smoke with different special moves with us dumb
yes cuz that's the way most people wanna play.. That's probably the reason why in KL in MK11 you see like 90% Scorpions.. I love Smoke and I like the rushdown style but it's a bit intensive for me and he has a lot of gaps so if someone is familier and good with the match up I'm dead that's why I switched to Sindel as she has pretty much everything except mix but it turns out I definitely win more with her then with Smoke or Tanya which are my other 2 characters.. Tanya is great but I have issues with her when I'm zoned..
@@tsvetelin6556like I said ^ you need to not play outside the fight as smoke. Even tho he has the ability to be the fastest you should always keep them in front of you like a boxer. Someone like reptile and mileena can’t get zone cuz her teleport is like a fly you can’t hit and won’t ever let you gain focus(naturally) and reptiles sprint fake invisibility and whiff can make it so he never has to be in focus. They’re gravity exist outside of where their body/character is existing. Smoke is tight and so is Tanya. How your eyez move or focus on each your character and theirs is a huge factor when picking a character. Sindel is like Tanya and smoke but her projectiles make it so you can keep gravity but make them advance or play D. Tanya and smoke when not in control of Rythm are doomed that’s why goro is naturally genius for her. Sindel is so hard to classify cuz she’s damn near the best character in the game. She can literally take away your offscreen game (kameos)
NOOOO The vid didn't appear in my yt feed 😭😭 Funny story I personally main sub bc of how fun he can be and this video proves he is no longer bottom tier.
Look at Skarlet in MK11, she was considered low tier but Makoran was winning tourneys with her. People who say sub is trash just don't know how to use him, they try to play rush down with him and that's NOT how to use him.
As a sub main these buffs would be a must to have it’s simple to change Df4, decrease damage scaling and -10 on block -> -20 on block F12, 12 frames on start up -> 15 frames on start up F1, +1 on block-> -4 on block F12, -2 on block-> -7 on block F1, 9 recovery --> 23 recovery F12, 13 recovery--> 27 recovery Db1, cool down 2 seconds -> 5 seconds Db1, -6, -> -22 on block Db1, 20 recovery-> 43 recover Air db1, 33 recovery-> 46 recovery BF2, -7 on block -> -16 on block BF2, 17 recovery-> 26 recovery s1, 15 recovery--> 19 recovery s1, +1 on block --> 0 on block B2, 18 frames on start up--> 24 frames on start up b2, -16 on block--> -23 on block s3, 17 recovery--> 31 recovery b3, 11 frames on start up--> 13 frames on start up b3, 14 recovery--> 27 recovery b3, -5 on block--> -7 on block b4, 20 recovery--> 37 recovery d4, -5 on block--> -7 on block Df1, 20 Start up frames-> 39 start up frames
bro unless you don't know how arrows work these are nerfs you said f12 12 frames on start up-->15 frames on start up unless i've gone insane these are nerfs not buffs
I came to the MK1 just for Reptile, I thought I will not change my main in any time, but I got kind of bored playing him, so I tried Bi Han. He was so fun to play that know I use him more than Reptile
ngl foxy replying to brady like that was extremely disrespectful and unnecessary. brady has been a long time member of the mk community and he’s extremely respected by a lot of top players. him not competing in modern games doesn’t take away his knowledge of the game and im glad perfect legend corrected foxys rudeness.
I love using him against Nitara. It’s always so easy but occasionally you do run into a very pro player that knows how to fly cancel and dash that just makes her look like the best character to me, but I’m no pro player lol usually she runs into my ice clone at at least 5 to 6 times in a match thinking she’s shweet lol
Who said that, I’ve been playing him for years, even in tournaments and I’ve never had problems with him. He’s a great player, and someone doesn’t know what they are talking about.
Sub is actually a good character yeah since mk9 he's been dominated by people who play op characters like Noob, Smoke, Scorpion, etc but in mk1 he's actually pretty good especially when paired up with Sareena
Also - as a Reiko main, I dont bother with combos. However the amount of Sub opponents I find in KL, I beat over 3 quarters of them without doing combos. Sub is good if people can spam combos or learn the basics well but not untouchable. Almost annoys me that 'pros' make these tier lists on matchups etc when its based on combos vs combos, nothing more satisfying than hearing someone rage because you beat them considerably by using non-spammed specials and basic buttons. MK11 was Noob for me, MK1 is Reiko...until Noob drops and then we get on this hilarious grind again!
sub zero is so annoying when i fight him, with low or overhead mixups, especially combined with khameleon and also using sareena to make the overhead launcher safe
Sub Zero is definitely the wrost MK1 character out of the ones everyone plays. There's always a few characters in every MK roster that virtually no one plays because they're either less popular than the meta characters or a lot of people just hate the character in general. MK11 Sonya was good moveset wise, but a lot of players hated her Voice acting and there were more popular characters that were as good or better. MK1 Sub Zero is has good tools, but also can just tank his damage scaling by refreezing enemies where MK11 and Injustice 2 would normally only allow the first freeze to stun while subsequent freezes would only apply damage. So MK1 Sub Zero has to take into account the possibility of using tools at the wrong time being punishing because it's reducing damage, which isn't as bad for most of characters. Injustice 2 Sub Zero has a similar issue of freezing cutting Sub Zero's damaging scaling in half, but it's still something that can be managed. MK11 Kung Lao had a similar problem with one of his moves messing with the scaling of his combos if it's used twice, which was a problem because that same move was also a tool is sometimes needed to preventing an airborne opponent from falling out of his Fatal Blow's start up. But if the character's the tools work correctly when using them the right way, it usually shouldn't matter if you get punished for using them the wrong way.
Yeh tbf the idea that someone doesn't know what they're talking about just because they dipped out the pro scene does not mean they have a less valid opinion than any one else - top 8 in MKX, MK11 or MK1 Aside.
People believe sub is bad when he's actually good. I also believe that Havik is very misunderstood as well. Im a Havik main and have reached God ranking in every season besides season 6 (Elden Ring release), yet Havik does not do insane damage, but he has very good safe moves and frames he's also plus on most of his strings. Granted, can these characters be better???? By all means, yes. However, that doesn't mean they are useless, and damage isn't everything in this game.
12:18 this is completely right , people think that damage is all that matters which is stupid imo , for example take a look at mk11 cetrion that’s all imma say
as a Sub Zero main please give us an iceball cancel considering it is so slow & a faster forward 1 like foxyG said thanks, Sub Zero can counter Nitara but a good Nitara that is patient & knows how to fly away & avoid that clone definitely causes problems for him when she looks like a moth flying all over your screen & all sub can do is back away or just stand there baiting iceclone hoping they fall into it, setting up clone in air is definitely a good counter for her then again you’re just hoping they fly into it just bait really a patient player can counter easily, overall I just feel I need something more against the roster playing sub even with the kameo set ups. 😅🥶🙏🏼
Personally sub zero is literally by far a good character. Him with sonya is amazing. But li mei needs a buff. She's not bad but she needs more combo potential with afew more string kitana needs a overhead to start combos potential Mileena projectile needs more range Oh and D,1 needs to be nerf to stop spammers
Another Sub-Zero main and loyalist. Literally have hit Elder every season with Sub-Zero alone. I swap between Khamelion and Lao kameos and works great. Do I wish he had a better tool kit and didn't have his damage scale so badly? Most definitely. With that said, with time to learn his frame data, optimal, and best kameos (up to you), he's not terrible. I just wish NRS would fix his masks that are gltiched since the Takeda update
NinjaKilla said that Subzero is unusable. Using Khamilian makes him okay, but without her he is absolutely unusable. And no, he's awful. Say any character, I can tell you why the can ignore the clone, he can't win a zoning war, he has gaps literally everywhere, his B2 is the onenly way to start combos meterlessly if you aren't in the corner and it is to slow to punish damn near everything, every special move has a problem... Subzero is literally so bad. Look at every subzero main, and you will see how bad he is after long use. And Baraka, Kenshi, Tonia, and all them other characters do not struggle against Sub.
Foxy was wrecking people left and right with sub zero in his last stream so don't know what you are on about. And Ninjakilla at the moment is an absolute tier abuser meaning he only plays characters that are cheap and brain dead. Just like at the final kombat matches. He flowcharted his way into top 8 with peacemaker and then got absolutely outplayed by Sonic. So his opinion is kinda skewed with regards to any characters that are not top 5.
@@Lance.Gardenhire It’s important to understand that ninjakilla is referring to tournaments only. Whereas Foxy is referring to Sub Zero having some winning match-ups and also explaining the best tools sub zero has. All of these things can be correct at once.
@Butwhy23 you don't think ninja would have made it to top 8 without peacemaker? Gtfoh.. NRS literally designs characters for Sonicfoxs playstyle because he has the some woke beliefs as they do.. I've seen many streams where ninja absolutely destroyed sonicfox when sonicfox wasn't using the meta..
I watched most of Foxy's stream of him using Sub-Zero, and some match-ups were just ridiculous. Sindel especially. Foxy even said he's great at using Sonya. Foxy is far above the even an intermediate player who could never make Sub-Zero look as great. Those who do are Sub-Zero specialists. No Sub-Zero main, other than like two people,have said the character is completely unplayable. He's just not as good as the rest of the roster who require less effort. He doesn't require major buffs, just the ones that Foxy did mention would be perfect.
As a Sub player the only buff i think he needs is being able to combo into Ice Ball thats it nothing else yes clone could use work but at the same time its not a completely bad move
I hate this “ I’m a casual but really pro “ mindset the mk community has. That’s why they talk so much crap on mk and get washed in other games as well.
As a subzero main since mk4 having skipped only 1 title : deadly alliance, i have enjoyed every single MK until MK1. It's not about being crybabies in fact the opinion of us casual players is the one that matters most. Whats the point of having all these tactics and frames calculations when you cannot simply enjoy challenging your friends without having 4-6 characters and 14 projectiles flying at the same time on screen. The game is not fun to play and regarding subzero, he is currently a joke. take example of Ben Affleck Batman
Sub/Khameleon is one of my most hated matchups - and this season i play Homelander, one of the best characters in the game even after all the nerfs. Mixups on a first hit is almost unreactable even with slightest ping, clones are just fucking ridiculous, and if yoy let him push you to the corner - good luck to get out of there. Had no idea Sub is still considered bad, he's rock solid character now, at least online, after all the buffs he recieved. He wasn't even terrible in the first place - his damage was a bit overnerfed, yeah, but character himself wasn't that bad. Another example of why i don't use the garbage dump known as twitter
Sub is decent at best when used with Kham, Sonya or Ferra to help his mix up game and give him ways to be safe. With any other Kameo he's close to bottom 5 if not just bottom 5. Clome charge being solid doesn't mean abusing it a million times makes it a viable strat. It doesn't reach full screen so players can just stay at a safe distance and once you whiff it they can get in cause the recovery on the move isn't insane or anything. That s**t will work when your opponent is being impatient like a moron. You can just pick a kameo who grants projectile immunity and them you're easily gonna deal with that strat. And by picking sonya you give up any form of scary mix ups. I agree that the most viable way to play with him is keep away with the clone and the clone charge. But just like foxy says he's average at best
Foxy is ON POINT Mk9, and mkx have literally been very detrimental for players creative capacity in mk11, and mk1 simply because of speed and top tier tunnel vision. Tom BRADY HAS BEEN WASHED SINCE MK9 someone finally said it
Let's Get This Video 2,000 Likes for FoxyGrampa and Sub Zero!
Don't forger to checkout his Twitch channel after the video :D
Oh guess what A Sektor gameplay Teaser got released and your probably not going to like this about Sektor but now in MK 1 Sektor uses a gun and I know how much you hate characters using guns so Sektor maybe another gun character you hate
@@ETG715 Well at least it’s a shoulder-mounted rocket launcher and not a bland pistol…at least 😂
@@TrueUnderDawgGamingIm not playing mortal kombat very often these days in my opinion it got kinda boring but ur vids are the complete opposite
Sub Zero got so tired of this debate he asked Nether Realm to just turn him into noob 💀
Reals
I love the thought of people making "bad characters" look good. I'm a Rambo main in mk 11, and he's the "worst in the game," but with the right work, I can make him look good just like F0xy grandpa makes sub zero in other words any character can be viable if you make them.
I’m a sub main and yes I wish he had a slight edge over other characters a bit more but he is very fun and very mid tier WHICH IS FINE. People just like to bitch and moan about whatever.
For sure. In fact, and perhaps you can relate to this, I don’t think any character I’ve ever loved to play in ANY fighting game has ever been above mid tier or low tier 😂 smash bros, tekken, DBZ, guilty gear, whichever.
@@nathanielreichert4638 Fr and even if they suck if they’re fun then you make it work. But some people don’t even do basic research.
@@nathanielreichert4638characters tat take work feel the best. It's either rewarding when they get buffed like Nitara and Scorpion and it just feels fun period to not use the meta.
Yes I'm with you brother I also main sub zero
Hit Elder every season with Sub-Zero, he's not terrible just not the best
Nah shots fired lmaooo hilarious 😭😂😂😂😭
"Sub-Zero is fine"
said by the people that don't even main him
5 mins in the lab and they say he's fine lol
Exactly. That nitara that sub was playing ducked the overhead and punished with a poke
He isn't amazing but he's not nearly as bad as yall say, if they raised his damage a bit he would be pretty good, you guys act kike gaps are the end of the world
"Sub Zero is not OP for once"
People that main him: IT'S UNUSABLE
Sub is ass bruh. There's a flaw in every move he has....literally!!!
Lol this is so crazy. This is the first game I’ve actually MAINED Sub Zero/Tremor. Reptile has always been my favorite character though. I’m glad people are actually defending Sub Zero.
Sub/tremor is so much cooler than sub/chameleon, I respect that, I play Shang/tremor, or anyone really with tremor
You mean, defending Sub as better than a lot of ppl say?
@@OpenMiker-rp4eo subs a good character it’s how he’s played that’s frustrating he’s played (with chameleon btw) as a zoner and that full screen lifestyles isn’t fun, his kit is lacking but not much i think you should be able to cancel out of the dive kick by spending a bar to ice clone out I think that would be cool but not op
@@Tachonka_Bonka719"subs a good character" yet nobody plays as him in tournaments. 😂
@@saiib0tz I legit play against him the most in ranked sub, nitara ,homelander and Omni man
Foxy ain't walking with a nine
He walking with nukes
Still better off being a MCdonalds employee then an MK pro.
12:15 soon as dude said "and some other stuff" I knew it was BS 😂
Didn't know twitter brainrot is spreadable cuz it affected even Brady w that take lol
Tom Brady has always been a Sub-Zero downplayer, even back in the MK9 days.
Mk9 sub was also mid asf soooo..
Can we get a new voice actor for my vampire chick 😂.
Wish we could Megan Fox is awful at Voice Acting
Is it a mk fandom trend to complain about one specific voice actor? Mk11 sonya and mk1 nitara, sure they aren't as good as other voice actor in the games, but why do you care so much? They are still good character gameplay wise. Crybabies strikes again.
@@xenoclast9347I’m not sure a random comment with 😂 is caring so much but okay bud
Please
I main sub so knowing ppl hate on him makes me want to play against them and teach them just how good sub really is. I also want to see a Sub Frost team win a tournament.(that’s the team I play with)
i still think sub is pretty bad, it’s the kameos doing the work for him that says a lot, and his amp moves should be buffed and be faster like everyone else amp moves are
no because if he has that on top of his good damage he will be top
He has great 50/50,zoning and damage he literally only suffers in some neutral situations
@@Synical02 Literally everything you said was incorrect.
@Lance.Gardenhire LITERALLY bro! 😂😂 Dude smoking that sticky icky
@@WaveGawd912 For real 😂
@@Lance.GardenhireExactly, what 50/50s is he talking about?
Honestly, the worst part of every MK are the people who play this game. I'm tired of being gaslighted and told I'm just a casual who's not good when I point out obvious issues and flaws with the game. Pro players are good for this. They swear up and down certain things aren't issues while simultaneously literally making a living of off those things. They swear certain characters aren't broken but those are the only characters they'll use in tournaments, then they'll call people casuals and say that certain characters aren't bad and you just need to get better but they won't dare to pick those characters in tournament. The discourse in the MK community is so toxic and disingenuous.
THIS VIDEO WAS NEEDED! Thank you, Foxygrampa! The lobbying for Sub is really getting tired. If you really listen to Sub-Zero players, all they're really saying is, "We want Sub to be top 5". They're really just bitching.
I thought this vid was gonna be about F0xy trolling bad ONLINE players that he randomly finds 😆 Although that is nothing new since at least MK11, I believe.
And also for the record any character is good with a person with a brain. Everyone is so used to being braindead that they forget if you use your brain any character can catch someone off guard. Just takes time and discipline.
They’ll never use Sub in a Tournament tho So everything Foxy is saying Means nothing 😅😅🤣
Ding ding!!!
Yep in a way you are are right and all while we saw Sonic use Nitara in a tournament and win a game against one of the twins and this was way before the buffs so Nitara wasn't that bad before that either. The thing is everyone has a style and sometimes their favorite characters can't play the style they like..
I want to play Jade in MK11 cuz I love her but her style does not match mine..
I want to play Smoke and Tanya in MK1 and I do well with them but the perfect character for me in this game is Sindel as I'm also a fan of her and she happens to be one of the characters that have everything pretty much..
That's kinda messed up to say tbf especially since Foxy didn't say "tournament viable". You can literally apply that to Sonic Fox then @SubRaider.
@@xerospades using Sub in a Tournament would prove their whole point !! 🤣🤣 but nahh they just wanna Talk and talk and talk
Idk why F0xy said Brady doesn’t know how to play Sub in MKX or 11, but also, idk why Brady said that F0xy doesn’t understand how to play Sub in ANY game 😂 Sub was great in X and 11 although he had some bad matchups and wasn’t top-tier. Maybe F0xy meant how Brady played Sub in 9 as a trap character, but how different was MKX Sub from that? Also, Brady’s main gripe about Sub in 11 was he thought he was boring. F0xy played a great Sub in 11, also.
Dude i was the best sz on earth 1992-2017 when I retired. Foxy just doesn’t get how sz works unless its mk11
Sub had one pick in evo Top 32. Let's pause for a second if sub was mid his pick rate would be higher on the highest level of play.
I could make the same argument with some top tiers tho.
really like your content recently, and it’s cool to see you’re a genuinely good person. keep posting
Perfect example of a top tier doing low damage is Homelander. He usually struggles to break 30% in a bnb, but he has a 3 way mix that launches and can get a massively plus restand with Janet that forces you into another RPS guess. Once you get hit once by Homelander you get put into a blender and if you guess wrong, you're losing at least 60% of your health bar.
I find this interesting because as a baraka main I’ll admit sub zeros are the bane of my existence as a pressure heavy character. So because of this I have always respected and had trouble with sub zeros. Its one of the match ups I have to carefully watch out for more than others
On the topic of Juri and the concept that she was bad in SFV at first but beat a top tier, this was also the case in MK. In MK2 scorpion was considered a low tier character but he outright beat the best 2 characters in the game, Jax and Mileena
Foxy is fun, but he sometimes doesn’t completely think through things. He made a video about some older player talking about returning and competing with the pros. I added a comment about it being extra difficult because of the effects of aging and reflexes. He tried to shoot down what I said, pointing to Dragon having bad reflexes but being able to win because he has strategy. I replied that he should revisit that claim when he’s over 50 lol… I don’t think he said anything else, but if I had seen anything else, I was going to present a nice challenge. Since he’s a pro and would be able to devise perfect strategies to beat an OG (played every MK game since 1992) casual player like me, he could train a 90 yo to play me at the next EVO… if age and reflexes aren’t a factor, then I’m sure the 90 yo with his superior strategy would win, right ;) … btw, I was at EVO for day 2 this year. It was sad to see the MK decline in person. I hope things turn around. I like MK1.
The reply to MK Brady was a super slam! 😂
I feel like the real sub zeros are the friends we made
I would love a tremor video. He’s still pretty confusing to me. Besides Sub-Zero is extremely easy to play he’s like the goat of casual matches
Foxy is like that. No games
My fav. Sub-Zero was from MK 9 but the MK 1 (2023) Version is also relatively good.
I really like the new camera angle it’s rlly cool , keep up the good work
Foxy Grandpa is WILD for this 😂👍🏾
Sub zero has been my main since the first 3 months of the release of the game. Despite his flaws I really enjoy playing him still to this day. Just a fun character in general
I love how everone is on Cyrax rn but no one cares what they done to scorpion: change the character Hanzo to kuai liang , no more katana, teleport is no longer cool they ruined scorp
This aint the vid for that bud
@@Thekingoftrackfieldik
MK11's Cetrion is great example of a top tier character due to her crazy keep away NOT her combos. That and she had crazy chip dmg.
"Stand on business" needs a significant nerf.
Bring back Inside the Head loved that series from you was super fun and also informative! 👍👍👍👍
Underdawg if you actually read every comment i need your help. My friend an quite a bit of other NRS players still haven’t even unlocked a single Kameo. My cousin has been playing since day one, his account is wayyyy above level 80 and he still haven’t even unlocked Kung Lao. Can you look into this and make it known to the wider audience so we can get this resolved. Even WB support is saying they don’t even know why it is happening. Big supporter, keep the content going.
Fun and even more fun awaits you in Mortal Kombat 1 Invasions my friends
Day 1 sub main, consistently hit demi to elder God (depending on if the skins cool lol), he's not bad at all. Most people play him wayyyyy too aggressively and rely too hard on mix-zero. Slowing down and chipping your opponent away is extremely effective. Honestly for all sub mains, try slowing down, let them make mistakes before putting pressure on, it works wonders.
Alright then I'm not going to complain about Sub-Zero anymore
Smoke is a rush down character that relies on you dancing with him. Reptile is always dancing outside of gravity. Sub is a retreatist that relies on his own predictability to punish people who think they read him too well and scorpion game is to punish distance. Rain is a zoner and ermac is a cancel god. All the ninjas are goated. Mileena is most similar reptile because they rely on outside focus where smoke and tanya are tightly in your face. Kitana is most like scorpion cuz she punishes distance in the same ways. Lui is a strike grab. Barrack is pure rushdown no trick play. Each character is truly unique put a lot of players play the game like they are smoke with different special moves with us dumb
yes cuz that's the way most people wanna play.. That's probably the reason why in KL in MK11 you see like 90% Scorpions..
I love Smoke and I like the rushdown style but it's a bit intensive for me and he has a lot of gaps so if someone is familier and good with the match up I'm dead that's why I switched to Sindel as she has pretty much everything except mix but it turns out I definitely win more with her then with Smoke or Tanya which are my other 2 characters.. Tanya is great but I have issues with her when I'm zoned..
@@tsvetelin6556like I said ^ you need to not play outside the fight as smoke. Even tho he has the ability to be the fastest you should always keep them in front of you like a boxer. Someone like reptile and mileena can’t get zone cuz her teleport is like a fly you can’t hit and won’t ever let you gain focus(naturally) and reptiles sprint fake invisibility and whiff can make it so he never has to be in focus. They’re gravity exist outside of where their body/character is existing. Smoke is tight and so is Tanya. How your eyez move or focus on each your character and theirs is a huge factor when picking a character. Sindel is like Tanya and smoke but her projectiles make it so you can keep gravity but make them advance or play D. Tanya and smoke when not in control of Rythm are doomed that’s why goro is naturally genius for her. Sindel is so hard to classify cuz she’s damn near the best character in the game. She can literally take away your offscreen game (kameos)
i dont even play mk1 but i just love these videos
NOOOO The vid didn't appear in my yt feed 😭😭 Funny story I personally main sub bc of how fun he can be and this video proves he is no longer bottom tier.
@@RadmonWuzHere Hate when TH-cam does that!! 🤣
For all pro player saying sub is good , just play him in tournement
They not going do that they always lie play what is broken
They won't because he literally sucks.
@@Lance.Gardenhirehe does not suck. He’s not top tier but he’s fine. The downplay is crazy
The only pros who might try are sonic fox and ninjakilla
lol they won’t bc he’s trash
Look at Skarlet in MK11, she was considered low tier but Makoran was winning tourneys with her.
People who say sub is trash just don't know how to use him, they try to play rush down with him and that's NOT how to use him.
Sub mains are like Raider fans, we are the loudest & scariest people.
More glazing than Krispy Kreme
To your last point Fujin (MK11) was low damage but a complete nightmare to deal with
As a sub main these buffs would be a must to have it’s simple to change
Df4, decrease damage scaling and -10 on block -> -20 on block
F12, 12 frames on start up -> 15 frames on start up
F1, +1 on block-> -4 on block
F12, -2 on block-> -7 on block
F1, 9 recovery --> 23 recovery
F12, 13 recovery--> 27 recovery
Db1, cool down 2 seconds -> 5 seconds
Db1, -6, -> -22 on block
Db1, 20 recovery-> 43 recover
Air db1, 33 recovery-> 46 recovery
BF2, -7 on block -> -16 on block
BF2, 17 recovery-> 26 recovery
s1, 15 recovery--> 19 recovery
s1, +1 on block --> 0 on block
B2, 18 frames on start up--> 24 frames on start up
b2, -16 on block--> -23 on block
s3, 17 recovery--> 31 recovery
b3, 11 frames on start up--> 13 frames on start up
b3, 14 recovery--> 27 recovery
b3, -5 on block--> -7 on block
b4, 20 recovery--> 37 recovery
d4, -5 on block--> -7 on block
Df1, 20 Start up frames-> 39 start up frames
bro unless you don't know how arrows work these are nerfs you said f12 12 frames on start up-->15 frames on start up unless i've gone insane these are nerfs not buffs
I came to the MK1 just for Reptile, I thought I will not change my main in any time, but I got kind of bored playing him, so I tried Bi Han. He was so fun to play that know I use him more than Reptile
ngl foxy replying to brady like that was extremely disrespectful and unnecessary. brady has been a long time member of the mk community and he’s extremely respected by a lot of top players. him not competing in modern games doesn’t take away his knowledge of the game and im glad perfect legend corrected foxys rudeness.
I'm a blind player that makes it to demigod most seasons Sub-Zero has been my main since the beginning of Mortal Kombat
I love using him against Nitara. It’s always so easy but occasionally you do run into a very pro player that knows how to fly cancel and dash that just makes her look like the best character to me, but I’m no pro player lol usually she runs into my ice clone at at least 5 to 6 times in a match thinking she’s shweet lol
Bro was taking shots at everyone
Who said that, I’ve been playing him for years, even in tournaments and I’ve never had problems with him. He’s a great player, and someone doesn’t know what they are talking about.
Can’t wait for foxy to use sub on offline tournaments….
Sub-Zero still has issues. His air 1 2 still WHIFS sometimes which is a Huge bug and unacceptable. That should never happen. The man still needs help.
Sub is actually a good character yeah since mk9 he's been dominated by people who play op characters like Noob, Smoke, Scorpion, etc but in mk1 he's actually pretty good especially when paired up with Sareena
Also - as a Reiko main, I dont bother with combos. However the amount of Sub opponents I find in KL, I beat over 3 quarters of them without doing combos. Sub is good if people can spam combos or learn the basics well but not untouchable.
Almost annoys me that 'pros' make these tier lists on matchups etc when its based on combos vs combos, nothing more satisfying than hearing someone rage because you beat them considerably by using non-spammed specials and basic buttons.
MK11 was Noob for me, MK1 is Reiko...until Noob drops and then we get on this hilarious grind again!
Yes give me tremor breakdown
sub zero is so annoying when i fight him, with low or overhead mixups, especially combined with khameleon and also using sareena to make the overhead launcher safe
Bro, totally did a spit take when you said Tom Brady. I thought you meant the 7 time Super Bowl Champ lmao
Honestly sub zero feels like mk11 noob saibot without a teleport, and longer combos
You and foxy should make a vid about these crybabies that cry about gnederswap thing
Sub Zero is definitely the wrost MK1 character out of the ones everyone plays.
There's always a few characters in every MK roster that virtually no one plays because they're either less popular than the meta characters or a lot of people just hate the character in general. MK11 Sonya was good moveset wise, but a lot of players hated her Voice acting and there were more popular characters that were as good or better. MK1 Sub Zero is has good tools, but also can just tank his damage scaling by refreezing enemies where MK11 and Injustice 2 would normally only allow the first freeze to stun while subsequent freezes would only apply damage. So MK1 Sub Zero has to take into account the possibility of using tools at the wrong time being punishing because it's reducing damage, which isn't as bad for most of characters. Injustice 2 Sub Zero has a similar issue of freezing cutting Sub Zero's damaging scaling in half, but it's still something that can be managed. MK11 Kung Lao had a similar problem with one of his moves messing with the scaling of his combos if it's used twice, which was a problem because that same move was also a tool is sometimes needed to preventing an airborne opponent from falling out of his Fatal Blow's start up. But if the character's the tools work correctly when using them the right way, it usually shouldn't matter if you get punished for using them the wrong way.
Yeh tbf the idea that someone doesn't know what they're talking about just because they dipped out the pro scene does not mean they have a less valid opinion than any one else - top 8 in MKX, MK11 or MK1 Aside.
Completely agree with him to a degree just hate the spammy playstyle but I mean it all depends on the player
Sub zero main here! His damage is pretty mid to tbh, but he definitely is not ass lol
People believe sub is bad when he's actually good. I also believe that Havik is very misunderstood as well. Im a Havik main and have reached God ranking in every season besides season 6 (Elden Ring release), yet Havik does not do insane damage, but he has very good safe moves and frames he's also plus on most of his strings. Granted, can these characters be better???? By all means, yes. However, that doesn't mean they are useless, and damage isn't everything in this game.
I mean he ain’t lyin about Tom lol
Funny.. i was top in mk9,igau, and mkx. You guys wanna stop the revisionist history ever?
Yooooo tom
12:18 this is completely right , people think that damage is all that matters which is stupid imo , for example take a look at mk11 cetrion that’s all imma say
as a Sub Zero main please give us an iceball cancel considering it is so slow & a faster forward 1 like foxyG said thanks, Sub Zero can counter Nitara but a good Nitara that is patient & knows how to fly away & avoid that clone definitely causes problems for him when she looks like a moth flying all over your screen & all sub can do is back away or just stand there baiting iceclone hoping they fall into it, setting up clone in air is definitely a good counter for her then again you’re just hoping they fly into it just bait really a patient player can counter easily, overall I just feel I need something more against the roster playing sub even with the kameo set ups. 😅🥶🙏🏼
Personally sub zero is literally by far a good character. Him with sonya is amazing.
But li mei needs a buff. She's not bad but she needs more combo potential with afew more string
kitana needs a overhead to start combos potential
Mileena projectile needs more range
Oh and D,1 needs to be nerf to stop spammers
I’ve always said he is good since day one he could use damage but he makes you change your play style
Another Sub-Zero main and loyalist. Literally have hit Elder every season with Sub-Zero alone. I swap between Khamelion and Lao kameos and works great. Do I wish he had a better tool kit and didn't have his damage scale so badly? Most definitely. With that said, with time to learn his frame data, optimal, and best kameos (up to you), he's not terrible. I just wish NRS would fix his masks that are gltiched since the Takeda update
Does Perfect Legend mean the Clone Punch? Calling it the Clone ‘Toss’ is kinda confusing lol
NinjaKilla said that Subzero is unusable. Using Khamilian makes him okay, but without her he is absolutely unusable. And no, he's awful. Say any character, I can tell you why the can ignore the clone, he can't win a zoning war, he has gaps literally everywhere, his B2 is the onenly way to start combos meterlessly if you aren't in the corner and it is to slow to punish damn near everything, every special move has a problem... Subzero is literally so bad. Look at every subzero main, and you will see how bad he is after long use. And Baraka, Kenshi, Tonia, and all them other characters do not struggle against Sub.
Foxy was wrecking people left and right with sub zero in his last stream so don't know what you are on about. And Ninjakilla at the moment is an absolute tier abuser meaning he only plays characters that are cheap and brain dead. Just like at the final kombat matches. He flowcharted his way into top 8 with peacemaker and then got absolutely outplayed by Sonic. So his opinion is kinda skewed with regards to any characters that are not top 5.
@@Lance.Gardenhire It’s important to understand that ninjakilla is referring to tournaments only. Whereas Foxy is referring to Sub Zero having some winning match-ups and also explaining the best tools sub zero has. All of these things can be correct at once.
SonicTheGoatFox just tweeted sub/Kham is top tier sit down lance
@Butwhy23 you don't think ninja would have made it to top 8 without peacemaker? Gtfoh.. NRS literally designs characters for Sonicfoxs playstyle because he has the some woke beliefs as they do.. I've seen many streams where ninja absolutely destroyed sonicfox when sonicfox wasn't using the meta..
@@LorenzoMartinez90 I ignored that guy for a reason 😂
I watched most of Foxy's stream of him using Sub-Zero, and some match-ups were just ridiculous. Sindel especially. Foxy even said he's great at using Sonya. Foxy is far above the even an intermediate player who could never make Sub-Zero look as great. Those who do are Sub-Zero specialists. No Sub-Zero main, other than like two people,have said the character is completely unplayable. He's just not as good as the rest of the roster who require less effort. He doesn't require major buffs, just the ones that Foxy did mention would be perfect.
As a Sub player the only buff i think he needs is being able to combo into Ice Ball thats it nothing else yes clone could use work but at the same time its not a completely bad move
STOP IT...Don't make me come out of Retirement and Whoop all of your Asses with Sub Zero...SUB ZERO WINS !!!!
I'd rather have my own opinion. "Pros" are just gamers.
I hate this “ I’m a casual but really pro “ mindset the mk community has. That’s why they talk so much crap on mk and get washed in other games as well.
As a subzero main since mk4 having skipped only 1 title : deadly alliance, i have enjoyed every single MK until MK1. It's not about being crybabies in fact the opinion of us casual players is the one that matters most. Whats the point of having all these tactics and frames calculations when you cannot simply enjoy challenging your friends without having 4-6 characters and 14 projectiles flying at the same time on screen. The game is not fun to play and regarding subzero, he is currently a joke. take example of Ben Affleck Batman
I can relate g, no matter what you always gonna get comments about something
Imma scorpion fan and since they did my boy dirty i sat this one out 😂
Sub/Khameleon is one of my most hated matchups - and this season i play Homelander, one of the best characters in the game even after all the nerfs. Mixups on a first hit is almost unreactable even with slightest ping, clones are just fucking ridiculous, and if yoy let him push you to the corner - good luck to get out of there. Had no idea Sub is still considered bad, he's rock solid character now, at least online, after all the buffs he recieved. He wasn't even terrible in the first place - his damage was a bit overnerfed, yeah, but character himself wasn't that bad. Another example of why i don't use the garbage dump known as twitter
Sub is decent at best when used with Kham, Sonya or Ferra to help his mix up game and give him ways to be safe.
With any other Kameo he's close to bottom 5 if not just bottom 5.
Clome charge being solid doesn't mean abusing it a million times makes it a viable strat.
It doesn't reach full screen so players can just stay at a safe distance and once you whiff it they can get in cause the recovery on the move isn't insane or anything.
That s**t will work when your opponent is being impatient like a moron.
You can just pick a kameo who grants projectile immunity and them you're easily gonna deal with that strat.
And by picking sonya you give up any form of scary mix ups.
I agree that the most viable way to play with him is keep away with the clone and the clone charge.
But just like foxy says he's average at best
i am a kenshi main and my best friend on steam is a sub main he always gives me nightmares when we play
Sub zero is the bane of my existence in ranked but that’s just a skill issue
Mktb is "SIcK" with that take lmao
I can confirm as a Kenshi main sub is fucking annoying. Idk why but his buttons just beat mine.
tom has a crazy ass sub zero
Foxy is ON POINT
Mk9, and mkx have literally been very detrimental for players creative capacity in mk11, and mk1 simply because of speed and top tier tunnel vision.
Tom BRADY HAS BEEN WASHED SINCE MK9 someone finally said it
jade slander won't be tolerated
Ive always thought subzero was good foxy grampa proves my point for me
all this scrubzero crybabies ... i lov it!
I’m not too good at the game but I fight Sub 8/10 times. And I struggle against him if you’re good with him. He’s a good character.
I like Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter games! ❤🎉😊