What Is HAPPENING In This JUDGE CALL?!
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The Belle call is actually reasonable. The player is familiar with “or” effects being negated when the choice is on resolution, which is also why people have a hard time with lingering destruction effects versus Stardust Dragon. If you have never has sh explanation on these things before it’s pretty easy to understand why someone might be lost
From what I've gathered, Tidying targeting is on its activation rather than its resolution, so it can dodge Belle by refusing to target shit in the GY.
@@BlitzkriegOmega yes that’s been established
That's what I thought as well, yeah... It's a complete mess that just makes everything more confusing than it has to be.
It's like how there are cards which can "negate effects at point of resolution", which involves entirely different rules to a normal negate.
@@GodKiller97 honestly seeing scenarios were the opposite is true “ being able to negate macro Cosmo even if you don’t intend to use the special summon effect because it has the potential to summon rather than the option” I can completely understand the confusion
Yeah, it does make total sense now, but I remember Coder explaining that you can Belle Gamma even if there's no Driver in the gy, because it has a effect that contains that action, therefore it has the possibility to execute one of the effects listed on Belle. But now it makes sense actually: if the effect you active on activation restricts outside of the "Belle radar", it no longer has the possibility to execute one of the listed actions and therefore cannot be Belled.
for everyone confused about Belle:
the "includes an effect which" type effects can negate an effect which could, on resolution of the effect, do something that these card negate, even if that's not necessarily how the opponent is using that card. For example an effect which could summon a monster from hand or grave could be negated by Belle, because with that kind of effect you don't usually say which one you are doing beforehand but rather activate the card and then - if your opponent doesn't negate it - you summon from either hand or graveyard. That's important because, even if you were planning to summon from the hand, your opponent doesn't know that, you can't prove that, and you could still change your mind depending on if some other effects are chained (maybe your opponent Mind Crushes the monster you were trying to summon out of hand?) However if the card forces you to declare what you're doing on activation, or there's some other reason why you can't change your mind post-activation, then as long as you're not doing something Belle can negate, it can't be used. For Tidying, you declare the targets on activation, so you can't change your mind later.
What does belle actually do '-'
Ive never read the card
Ahhh tidying choosing is activation not effect got it.
@@er_xungoh belle is basically ash blossom but for things being removed from grave, instead of removed from deck.
@@KitsuneRogue got it, so for something like cyber revsystem belle can be chained, but if i have no targets in the gy then it cant be activated right?
@@HALOMAN2X20 god i hate being ashed on my lunalight fusion turn one.
I don’t need to read, I just do things and if the game lets me then I must be right, right? I love judge calls.
IDK about modern versions of goat format, but back then priority to normal summon was a thing... but only at beginning of a main phase.
For example, player could enter MP1 and immediately tribute summon DMOC before any spell speed 2 effects are activated. So I can understand if player didn't realize priority to normal summon was only upon entering main phase.
About the only time it came up was with treeborn frog... you have rageki break set. I summon treeborn in standby phase. If you RB treeborn during SP, I bring it back again. I enter Mp1 i can immediately tribute it for jinzo/monarch before you can play RB.
I thought this is just how the game (not just goat) works in general. Turn player has priority going into each phase.
I can understand the ghost belle confusion since ash can negate the effects of cards that could end up triggering it's condition even if the opponent decides not to. Does tydieng onle move cards in the gy as activation condition?
The thing is that Belle would work if the effect didn't target. It's like how you can Starlight Road an Icarus Attack if you target 2 cards, but not if you target 1 card.
you choose targets for tidying at activation. If the targets are both on the field, then the effect will 100% not return a card from GY to hand, so Belle doesn't meet its activation condition.
I feel blue on 5:02 I've had that happen to me on master duel. I was like "but it says graveyard..."
The same happens with Tactics. You can't Ash it if the opponent chooses to take control of a monster/spin a card. If the card doesn't do specifically something that can be negated by Ash or Belle then it doesn't work.
@@monkey_blu You are incorrect on your second sentence, Ash or belle can still be activated even if it is not guarante to do the think in the list, if the effect is chosen during resolution of the card, Tripple tactics tallent is chosen at activation, so Ash would know what is going to happen since you can only chain after the activation is complete and the activation is only complete when the effect of tripple tactics is chosen, Dragon maiden tiding you target at activation, so the opponent can only activated Bell when the target are done being chosen, since he never target a card in the graveyard, the opponent cannot chain Bell. Ash cannot be used during the damage step because it only negated the effect listed it does not negated the activation I got this situation in unrated Traditional where my opponent used ash on the activation of witch of the black forest that was destroy by battle Witch of the black forest would have been chain link 2 since my opponent monster that attack got a mandatory effect that activated at the end of the damage step while Bell negated the activation so it can be used during the damage step, I try to explain how it work, but it was like talking to a wall, I even told him that I would link proof, and he refuse, so I pass him for Trolling, so I block him.
If the target is chosen on activation, it can’t be ash’d or belle’d- unless that target is from the deck or graveyard respectively. If the target is chosen on resolution, it can be.
I get the confusion with the GOAT tribute summon. It works just like that in MTG where once things are done resolving, you immediately return to an open game state. In which case you can do non quick things before the opponent can do quick things.
The judge call videos are always so good
What is happening in this judge call? answer to DC Caps on everything talk like you know everything duelists don't make mistakes DB is totally automated I love DB but this people cheat for free wins in advanced where rating is irrelevant I understand if they correct the player but calling a judge outside rated why just admit & leave if its that bad it doesn't affect rating lots of problems.
what game DC played?
Kashtira is absolutely bonkers. I played against it once and it managed to not only shut down my main monster zones from use, the deck pure shut down my pendulum zones as well and the heart of the cards were not on my side whatsoever. It was like if 6 Excode Talkers were put on the field.
Did the GOAT guy really be like *ya i have prio so i can tribute summon IN THE MIDDLE OF A CHAIN!?* lmao or atleast thats what i understood about that.
Not even Floo is that powerful.
I think what he was trying to argue was that because it's his turn, his opponent doesn't get priority passed to them after a chain resolves before returning to an open game state. Which is still very wrong
@@rhc128 For Quick Effects, not for tribute summoning. Damn, people just want the rules to change for them in order to win.
I've played a couple of games in retro formats and have never been asked for response before someone summons a monarch. I get why he would think he has turn prio.
@Hammbon3: After the chain resolve, the turn player took priority to normal summoned dark magician of chaos, that his cheating, because after a chain resolve, the game state is still close and the turn player can take priority to activated a quick play spell, trap card, quick effect, not normal summoned a monster, neither set a spell or trap card, neither set a monster, etc. and pass priority to the non-turn player to activated compulse before the Dark magician of chaos is normal summoned. You have the opportunity to respond to the timing created by a chain that finish resolving starting with the turn player, but remember in respond to timing only one chain, the chain can become a very high number, but once that chain resolve, it created a new timing that you can responde to.
I can't believe he tried the old excuse in Goat there is no rules kekw.
Ignition? Priority? None of those matter when I use Catapult Turtle to shoot Gaia the Dragon Champion into your Castle of Dark Illusions!
"I'll be freezing Blue for trolling"
Don't you mean freezing him for... rolling?
That Goat Format call was hilarious.
i am going to stack 1 dog select bom link 2 soul chain perm there.
bro your telling me my opponent can just rewind when seeing what happening when i so clearly stated what i am doing UNFAIR
the best moment in all of youtube 1:35
for the belle card call as an avid belle user master duel lets you chain belle to cards that have an OPTION of targeting something from the graveyard even if they arent being targeted in the grave such as raidraptor call/nest (forgot which one it was) but it lets you add a card from the deck or gy and i was able to chain belle to it in MD so I assume thats what he was thinking since thats how the card works in MD
No, Belle gives you the option to chain it to an effect which “CAN interact with the GY WITHOUT targeting” (for example Psy-Framegear Gamma without Driver in the GY) as opposed to if an effect only targets cards on the field and thus would have no interaction with the GY, belle cannot be chained.
No, I think you understood the effect incorrectly, since the card you're talking about (raidraptor nest) does not target when adding the effect can be either, you can't chain belle to an effect resolving so you are allowed to blanket it. In the scenario of this video the effect already declares which cards will be involved (since it targets), as such you can already know if he will be summoning from grave or not, so you can chain ghost belle if he targets from grave.
Yea that is a MD ruling thing, I think the reasoning is the effect gives the player the Option to do something to the gy Belle can be used regardless of if the player takes that option or not. I think thats how its coded in MD anyway
@@anacreon212 It has nothing to do with MD. As the others have corrected, if there is the possibility of a card moving from the GY then Belle can be activated, but here the Tidying targets are chosen at activation, so there is no ambiguity on whether a card will be returned from GY to hand at resolution.
@@oliver1834 Number one when did he mentioned Raiders nest he mentioned Psy-frame ,
Number to his point is specifically Bella can interact with cards with the option to Affect the graveyard If it’s optional IF (and this is an important one) The option isn’t known on activation. However with affects such as tidying that targets on activation it is already known they aren’t targeting the graveyard which was what Distant coder was getting at in the video
The reason why drivers psy-frame and red raptor nest can get negated is because their options do not target on activation. If you activate raid raptors nest with the intention to add one specific targets in the graveyard which is your only raid raptor and your opponent calls by the Grave it, you still can add from the deck instead because raidraptor nest never declared that card the confirm target. I repeat this raidraptor nest “does not target”
@DistantCoder: the last one in the video above, was probably a live streamer who took the challenge to say chimp instead of chain.
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Call 1 chim 2 imp 3 tribute summon dmoc
Normal summoning is a quick effect now didn't you know?
In fairness in this format ignition affects a quick affects if you use them first
Explaining or with "one or the other"
pure kshatira or however you spell it is very controlly based already. it needs support to be the best but right now its pretty decent
i call it shakira
Gotta love judge calls lmao
Yesterday I have a game where I have a revealed lord of heavenly prison in hand. during my opponent SP i activated compulsory on his winda, he chained super poly, after the chain resolved he trigger winda in gy and I chained Lord in hand as cl2, he pause the duel saying I cannot activate lord cause I cannot respond to the effects of super poly, try to explain that super poly already resolved on a previos chain, but he didn't think that how lord worked, sadly there was no judge available
bro, call 1 chim 2 imp! like what’s so hard to understand?? 🤣😂
Giving me customer service flashbacks
I love how i start the video and i see me in the chat saying "Im stupid" 😂😂😂😂
little lost on belle i tought it worked like ash where if an effect could be able to trigger it but there are options it still would negate that efect but maybe its something to do with tidying
Tidying targets. Meaning you'll always know whether the effect will move shit from the GY or not. It's like with Knightmares, you can only ash Knightmares if they're co-linked because only then does the card even have the chance to draw.
So does this mean my opponent could chain belle to ALERT! If I were to add a card from deck to hand while having hydrant on field?
IIRC that card just adds from gy and if Hydrant is on field You can from deck. In that case Belle can be chained because it isnt an effect that targets
@@borisheidenreich1830 thank you, that answers what I was confused about
Call 1 chim Call 2 imp seems prettu reasonable to me if my opponent is actually paying attention to what is going on on the field
Yeah, Coder was being pedantic in that example. The "chimp" could have been a funny typo but they definitely was talking about Chimera. "Call" is probably how they particularly refer to chains. Coder should have asked the guy like "call as in chain?".
"Call 1 chim Call 2 imp" seems reasonable to me too. But that's not what they said. They said "Call 1 chim 2 imp". When I first saw that without knowing the game state I first thought that it was Called By CL1, Chimera CL2, Imp CL3. Then I thought maybe chim meant chain, and he was trying to say "Call 1" chains to imp, whatever Call 1 was.
@@driftwisp2797 there was no called by. pay attention to the board instead of making up scenarios in your head
Ah he means call chain 1 chimera chain 2 imp, that took way too long for me to understand
My man really put counter on heros
Column 1 chain impermanence
Spell Speeds just go out the window eh
I love summoning chimp
Neato burrito
Everyone how had that happening to him
But it says GRaVeyaRD
Don't be too intimidated by the goatformat name, ignition priority absolutely does NOT work the way he said it does. I remember getting in a similar situation with a ruling of his once before: he ruled that you can ask what spell magician of faith targets before deciding whether to solemn judgement the flip summon. People were arguing with me on that all week and trying to make it seem like I'm insane for disagreeing with him.
i have a question about belle efect, in master duel, belle can negate effect of witchcrafter golem aruru target a card on the field, what is the differrent between two cases
With Hammer Mommy you declare if you are going to bounce from field or add from grave on activation. If you chose to add a spell from grave then Belle can negate.
@@Hurricane1990 after that time i know about the add from gy option
How to make the DB look like this?
Typing skills were drained, please understand.
How can you cheat in this game? You can’t just play whatever you want I don’t understand
am i the only one that noticed he made a guardian chimera with a super poly...
He didnt. Sphere mode was on his field and he used poly.
I'm pretty sure he made guardian chimera with regular polymerization. There's a polymerization on the top of his graveyard. Despia does run it.
where is the super poly?
@@DerMotze ohhh I thought coder read superpoly was used nvm then lol
Mustache
Ranked goat was a mistake.
You can also just hold shift to deal with all caps... and, it's not like all caps is actually doing anything to you so uh. Relax? If you are reading it in your head and screaming what is read, well, that's on you? It's not like they are actually yelling. It's an intensely stupid thing to get upset about.
Nah, people who type all cap all the time are fuckin weirdos. Coder was right to call him out.
What Yu-Gi-Oh game is this? :x
I think it would interesting if you can't read opponents cards, vice versa, just for elements of surprise. Like you can only see the atk and def points and log of effects. Like in the anime, where opponents would explains what their cards do
So basically blatantly cheat city? What about that is interesting? "My card says on normal summon, I win the duel" "bs let me read the card" "no"
@@youtube-kit9450 OK in fairness this sounds like a legitimately fun thing to do on a simulator like ygopro or omega with Friends, A fog of war style where you get more familiar with your Opponents cards as you play a log knowing more of their affects by memory
Of course I stay with friends because this would not be a serious format of playing and the novelty would wear out thin
@@empireyouth5791 I mean, you can just play that way already and not read the opponent's cards in both real life and the simulator?
@@youtube-kit9450 oh no no no no no we cannot do that in real life we need the simulation ( Omega or YGO pro) to act as someone checking if the cards are being played correctly and you’re right but you would have to make a tangible effort to not look at the left side of your screen to avoid accidentally reading. The only way to avoid this would be to change the language and that could make navigate me to the game very annoying when going to try and duel
Lols
About the belle call,
Do we go by official rulings as it relates to Master Duel?
If so, I've had blossom shut down my one for one before a target was designated (I was going to use it on a monster in hand) > also I didn't have any remaining targets in deck.
In other words, I don't think it has anything to do with the appropriate target as much as the potential from activation.
But maybe I'm missing something.
Effect of one for one does not target. That is the point here. If it said "Send one monster from your hand to the gy, then target monster in your hand or deck; special summon that monster" what you are saying would make sense. But because you have the choice of what to summon on the resolution of the card it can be ashed. Here belle can't be used cause the target is a card that is not in the gy, and the card targets as part of its activation so the effect that will happen does not include any of the belle's conditions.
The *belle call* on the vods related to official rulings that are being used in OCG and TCG (Including master duel or any Yugioh card game simulator)
In your case, it is legal to ash the effect of "One for one". Eventhough you dont have any legal target in your deck or have decided to summon in the hand. My advice would be to read ur card and understand it itself. Like is not hard to read
So, the Ash Blossom can be chained to One for One because it COULD summon from the deck, and as it doesn't target for activation you opponent has no way of knowing for sure that you will be summoning form the hand.
About not having any remaining targets from deck, that's private information so your opponent (and therefore their Ash Blossom) doesn't have any way of knowking that. Also that fact could be changed during a chain.
I like your content but I feel like a bitch clicking on these thumbnails
I 100% get what the ghost belle guy says , i had the same response when i got ash blossomed with shaddol fusion while they didnt have ed monsters on the field
@Kukusaras: Shaddol fusion is a bad example, because using material happen at resolution so they can ash shaddol fusion even if the opponent of shaddol fusion does not have an Extra deck monster that is special summoned on the field. For the same reason you can ash Red-eyes fusion, because it is not guarantee that the opponent will used matterial from the deck. The opponent could have chain super polymerazation to your shaddol fusion, since that way chain link 2 resolve first he would now control an extra deck monster, and now chain link 1 you can select matterial from deck.
@@SuperNickid I'm not familiar with the rulings I'm new , to me it looks close but i understand what u say
@@SuperNickid honestly this is the problem with the concept of “private information” in card games. Don’t get me wrong private information is important such as private information about the hand card. But it could make players feel punish for not even using the con properly
And this is why any maindeck fusion spell should either fuse with materials only from the deck or only from the hands and you pick on activation not resolution
I have watched every single DistantCoder judge call videos. Does anyone have any recommendations SPECIFICALLY for judge call videos on duelingbook/network that isn't stewdog?
I get the confusion with the GOAT tribute summon. It works just like that in MTG where once things are done resolving, you immediately return to an open game state. In which case you can do non quick things before the opponent can do quick things.
Yeah, but this is GOAT, a format based on a version of Yugioh from 18 years ago. Nobody starts with playing GOAT. Someone playing GOAT has invariably played modern Yu-Gi-Oh! before moving over to GOAT, and the rules of GOAT are incredibly simple in that the only changes to the rules are those which are relevant to 2005. There should have been no confusion whatsoever.