Can Christians Cuss? w/Mike Winger
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- As Christians, is it consistent to have this kind of language in our mouth? What does the word of God say on this subject?
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I believe the God who created the universe with his words finds words more importantly than we think..
Yes he created the universe with words, but he doesn’t get caught up on semantics, that’s a human behavior NOT a God behavior
We tend to try to make up the rules and enforce things God never created or intended
This is the verse that comes to my mind when I slip (or almost slip): “Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O Lord, my rock and my redeemer.”
Psalm 19:14
Ephesians 4:29 is also a great one.
Or out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks
Fantastic verse!
I like to remember the verse that says “do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs that it may benefit those who listen. Gives the idea of what we should be saying to others. 🥰
Yes, not only cussing, but also our attitude. That is, if we say a bad word and we're very angry, while this is not good, it is "better" = "not as bad"?? as saying decent words and gossiping all over the place but not saying any bad words.
Or maybe I should be asking - which is worse. Anger can last a short time and then repent of this. But gossiping is a bad attitude.
@@cherylcogan3542 the thing about gossip for me is that it's never meant well. It's always maliciously done to pull someone else down and unlike anger, you are making a conscious choice to gossip. A calculated choice, if you will. Anger sometimes happens when we just lose it- so with anger, I feel like the challenge is to control your reaction after, but with gossip I feel like it's a conscious choice before, if that makes sense, and therefore I feel like it's worse.
@@jessicakornelsen Yeah, I'd never thought of gossip before as a conscious choice. With the possible exception of those who don't know how to keep their mouths shut. Which is also evil but falls into a different category..
I think its more towards using words to bring others down. Curses are just words
I think this is one of those "Duh" topics. Anyone that truly has the blood on Christ painted on the door post of their hearts knows that it is not the perfect will of God for us to drop f bombs or any other bad words. Trust me; I'm guilty and struggle but I can't sit here and lie and try to justify it. C'mon guys
This comment can be hurtful to new believers or luke warm “ Christians “ who don’t understand. There have also been plenty of “ Christians “ who try to make cases for cussing as well. I know that there a probably a lot more Christians who have been in the faith for a while watching these videos but there are some people who might not know and need this. This video could be what comes across their recommended and be the explanation that changes their opinions or gives them the reason to stop cussing. We need to remember that not everyone is always going to know the basics of faith and even if they know through a worldly view that cursing is bad, this video gives a biblical explanation as to why.
“Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.”
Ephesians 4:29 NIV
I’m not saying this to condemn you!! I think all of us need this reminder sometimes, even myself! :)
@@JoeMama-yl2bt touche...
@Pond3r Thiz I totally get what you saying and agree. In the way I was using it, I meant hurtful as, these people could be new believers or luke warm or even not religious at all and come across comments like these and be turned off. As Christians, we need to be carful about the things we do and say because we are representing Jesus. My main concern was that people could be feeling guilty or embarrassed for having this question or even want to go against what the video was trying to prevent because they may think, “ well look at all these Christians in the comments being (insert something negative here) “.
I see now that using hurtful probably wasn’t the best word and that I also could of clarified that by saying “ hurtful to their faith “. I hope this makes sense :D!
@@JoeMama-yl2bt I see what you're saying, you mean saying it's a "duh topic" could be hurtful in the sense that it makes them feel stupid. NOT that it's hurtful because they're sinning (if they're using fowl language regularly) and it's being called out. I agree that it could be that some don't realize cussing is a sin.
Of course Christians use vulgarities. Evangelicals use the N word more than rappers do but evangelicals use the hard R when they stick the landing.
I cussed like a sailor before I became a Christian. After I was saved Jesus changed me and I didn't want to cuss anymore or talk in a way that displeases or dishonors God.
Thissss i experienced the same
@@elmonomon so cool!! God is SO AMAZING!!!!
Me too. Took a week though but prayed God help me
@@vickyandersen8660 He loves to help His children.
SAME. I used to love to curse. I relished in the rebellion. After I was saved I cringed hearing those words. I was shocked to hear other Christians cursing. It is like nails on a chalk board to me since receiving the Holy Spirit.
Cussing is sin and I have to ask for forgiveness, everyday. It’s one of the many bad habits I have picked up from my youth from the world. Thank God, He corrects me in love and forgives me in love. I only cuss only once in awhile instead of everyday. Getting better for the Lord. ♥️
Listening to worship music helps, it feeds your spirit and not the flesh. Stay away from filthy music, shows, and movies, that feeds the flesh. I’ll pray for you
NO cussing! but it does slip out, repent and stop it
nah nothing actually wrong with it compared to an actual evil act, or say a direct insult. its just an expression
@@Unclenate1000 would you talk to Jesus with cuss words.
@@quilodinerroi would tell jesus that his undying love and strength is badass
@@isaac_born_again yeah and he would rebuke you for cussing
I don’t swear/cuss as much since receiving the Holy Spirit. I just haven’t “needed” to; and I want to reflect the Lord. I don’t judge anyone who does though as I have done my share of turning the air blue. It’s the Holy Spirit that convicts and transforms and I welcome that change. Xxx
I am a frequent cuss slipper, repenter, asker for help to think before I speak. Sometimes my brain just gets going in situations of anger or high anxiety and it just slides out! It is WRONG and I believe it is definitely a SIN. Sometimes I think the cuss word and feel bad!!!!! Then the repent, forgiveness, asking for help to think before I formulate thoughts starts again! And it is one that I struggle with because I know it is WRONG! I won't give up this struggle. God Bless 🥰
Replace the habit, might take practice. I never started but I can understand your struggle. what makes me mad is when “Christians” swear like a sailor with no conviction and you know I usually notice that they show no fruit in other areas of their life either. We have the privilege of being in the battle for a very short time. Let’s glorify God’s kingdom and build people up 💪
Sadly, I fall short of this standard often. I take great care to never or almost never blaspheme God's name, however I will use cuss words when I express negative emotions.
Keep at it
The Lord can help you quit this habit.
I used to cuss so much before I came to the Lord & sometimes I am tempted to out of anger or pain. It'll come up in my mind as a reflex but I suppress it because I can't bare to let it slip out of my mouth. Just know you dont need to condemn yourself for it but do know it is something that is not pleasing to the Lord & that He can help you to stop.
@@divinechord7 thank you for your prayers. Confessing this has already had a positive impact on me, so I hope to continue keeping language as clean as possible. I thought being porn/masturbation free for 11 years is a feat... until I realized how extraordinarily difficult is to have control over the tongue, even more so than my former addiction to lust
@@JCDisciple I’m having the opposite issue my friend. I tamed my tongue, and it’s been easier to do that than to combat lust for me. Keep up the tough fight my friend
This reminds me of the sermon on the mount where Jesus has the various passages of "You've heard it said... but I say..."
To paraphrase this in that context: You've heard it said "don't cuss" but I say "don't even speak foolishly."
I'm a Christian, but sometimes when I get angry, frustrated, out of patience i cannot hold myself to cuss like "f*** this, s***" etc
I always say there are several things that make speech sinful. Your own conscience condemns it. The cultural context is inappropriate. The Bible specifically forbids it. As far as the cultural context, some words are acceptable in some culture and are considered profanity in others even in the same language (American English vice British English, Mexican Spanish vice European Spanish.) Somethings are made inappropriate for no other reason than they are deemed inappropriate by a society that we are called to live righteously in. Some speech like lies and obscenities are specifically forbidden by scripture.
This feels very much a place of personal accountability. Having someone chase me around about saying darn is a way of creating division.
I am personally not a big "Cusser" but to me, not all uses of curse words are obscene. I hold this point of view loosely so I am interested in hearing an alternate opinion.
To me, cussing is only obscene when it is used against someone or against God. To me it's obscene when it is violating something sacred.
But swearing because you bucked your toe, or you hear an idea that you think is bunk and you call it BS. Neither of those things are obscene to me. So I tend to have no issue with it.
I wouldn't even consider it careless use of words in those contexts.
That being said, if it'll make my brother stumble, I won't insist upon using it. But if a Christian curses and it's not against God or another person...I've got no problem with it. It really doesn't offend me.
I agree and actually had a conversation with my pastor about it. He had the defense of, well you don’t use it in a bad way or at people.
Ok so then what about when I’m not doing that and it’s just language. He was stumped and said well then I guess it’s a personal conviction.
Here’s something further to consider, in our culture today ANYTHING can become offensive or hurtful. There are days I don’t even realize a word I use is now an offensive word.
I don’t use God’s name in vain, if I do my kids happily point it out. I’m working on my temper as well as the curse words that may come with it.
I guess at this point I am more worried about not degrading and being hurtful to people (calling people names, making fun of them, etc) than a couple of curse words.
There are so many bigger heart issues than this.
I understand what you are saying but the thing is you as a Christian are a vessel of God now. The Holy Spirit who lives inside of you. Even if you only use cuss words to yourself in your space you still sinning.
You are not your own anymore, you are God's. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 - "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body."
By saying cuss words you are also defiling your temple. Matthew 15:11 - It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but what comes out of the mouth; this defiles a person.”
Filthy speech is of the world and we have been called out of the world. We need to become imitators of Christ. Romans 12:2 - "Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind"
When all is said and done our priority should always be to submit to Christ and not try to justify what we do. Whatever we think is ok doesn't matter, what matters is what God says. We are all on a journey so I'm not here to point the finger, I'm just encouraging you as a sister to examine your heart coz I do see that you are trying to justify cussing. One last thing to note: most of us accept our parent's house rules. We may not like them but we don't ever deny them, so why do we do that with God's rules? Even when the rules are as clear as day? Just something to think about.
Honestly I can't see Jesus saying the f word or the sh word if he were to hit his toe on a table or whatever.
And as someone who came from the world I see why it's important to not be like them. I am changed and don't want to go back to filth
I watched the whole video you did with Mike. It was really good. Watched it twice and shared it with others.
Anything profane is ultimately incompatible with a Holy God. That's me holding myself accountable. It's not an area to express our freedom.
Set your heart like a flint and think on this...
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-think about such things.
Good job Mike And Alisha!
This is exactly the answer I was looking for thank u
The only argument that I find compelling is that in some sub-cultures, cussing isn’t viewed as obscene. So my question is how do we define what is obscene? That changes with cultures.
I have heard pastors cursed and so did his followers. I am one of the victims of cursed. I never heard people cursed as a non Christians. I learnt this from the Christians' preachers. No one wants to address the fact that their preachers cursed, not from the progressive group.
That sounds like postmodernism. The idea that makes everything subjective; everything becomes relative. It leads to expressions like "well that can be true for you but not for me."
Postmodernism conflicts with what God has said and revealed though. Truth is objective, not subjective. There are sub-cultures where all sorts of sinful behavior is deemed acceptable (fornication, stealing, hatred), but that doesn't make it ok by God's standard [Isaiah 5:20].
Ephesians 4:29
29Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
This verse is after we are told to "no longer walk as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their minds," and says they are "darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart."
We are supposed to conform to the Word of God, not redefine things to live a lifestyle we find pleasing, but a life pleasing to God.
Thank you for this clear explanation. I never thought is was ok to swear, but a leader in my church said it was ok. I just need to keep my eyes on Jesus and do what he does.
You've got a fake leader in your church, if he tells you it is okay to swear, clearly he is not following Christ.
Was just thinking of looking up if Mike had some teaching on this earlier today
whenever I have a question like this, before I even need to go to the Bible, the easiest question to ask is cliche but works every time- “What would Jesus do?” would Jesus ever cuss? no, and we want to strive to live more like Him :)
THANK YOU!!❤️
Every idle word I think in context is also about idle words that we might talk about about each other and judging each other’s motives.
****** you Mike ;)
Uncensored below 👇
Bless you Mike
I've always understood that swearing isn't really a sin, *UNLESS* it either meets one or both of the following criteria...
1) The swear word or phrase uses the Lord's name in vain.
2) The swear word or phrase is directed towards someone.
Like, saying "Shit!" as a simple exclamation by itself is harmless, but if you were to say, "That guy's a real piece of shit!" *THEN* it's considered sinful.
I know the Bible forbade "obscene speech", though, obscenity varies from culture to culture. What we as Americans may consider taboo words may not be viewed as such by another culture.
MAKE THE LONGER VIDEO MIKE!!!
No one should pretend to be a Christian, Rather should live as a Christian
Amen, don’t be distracted believers, help the lost make disciples not just believers, glory hallelujah.
1 Peter 3:15 💝
The word of God says that we are in the world but not of the world.I believe that as a Christian we should let our light shine even in our way we talk.
Thanks for addressing this controversial topic biblically!
Simply put, swearing isn’t an option for Christians.
Colossians 3:8 commands us to put away obscene talk.
Ephesians 4:29 says to not let any corrupting talk come from our mouths, but only speech that gives grace.
Cussing is obscene, corrupting, offensive, and stains our Christian witness. I may make a thorough video on this topic eventually too.
I’ve heard people interpret “obscene” or “corrupt” talk as the intent of the words rather than the words themselves. For instance, using the word “d**n” as an exclamation would be fine but saying “d**n you” would not be ok in the same way that saying “screw you” would not be okay. I’ve never known what the more correct interpretation would be, though I’ve always aired on the side of caution and don’t use those words anyway. What do you think of this?
@@cinnamonmedog I’ve pondered this same idea also. To an extent society has helped define what is derogatory and what isn’t. I know plenty of people who curse every other word. Ex. That burger was f****n’ delicious. Society has deemed the word as a curse word yet their intentions were to emphasize (albeit wrongly (in my opinion)) the deliciousness of their burger. Also take a person from a different culture or time period and the same word will have a different meaning to them. I am not making a case for cursing being acceptable just worth exploring for those who care to explore language and culture more exhaustively.
Cussing is not the sin.
Judging is the sin. Playing God.
Anger is from judging which causes the cussing.
Drop the anger and the cussing will simply fade away.
@@cinnamonmedog KJV 1 Thessalonians 5:22
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
God wants pure thoughts and pure words. God wants us to come up higher.
@@freshliving4199 Anger isnt the problem here. The bible says:
KJV Ephesians 4:26
"26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:"
The heart is the problem. A pure heart will produce pure words.
KJV Proverbs 15:4
4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
KJV Proverbs 4:23-24
23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
24 Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.
Absolutely agreed. Thank you.
Appreciate you ❤
Thank you❤
👏👏. Great Biblical answer!
“Darn” and “oh my gosh” should not be considered cussing or blaspheming because they are replacement words so you don’t cuss
I would've liked a little more on what is cussing and the 'filler words'. He breezed through that a little too quickly. Who didn't discover as a child, to their parents eye-roll, that ass and pisseth are in the KJV Bible? These were 'bad words' for me as a child There's definitely a cultural element here, but even in context the 'that pisseth against the wall' seems like a pretty crass way to say 'men'. Were there 'bad words' in OT or NT times? If so, surely the 'filthy rags' of Isaiah, while cleaned up in translation might fit our definition of 'filthy talk'. As to filler, the 'Lets Go Brandon' chant is pretty funny IMO, because it's essentially a protest of censorship at this point yet IS code for a phrase that contains a bad word. Is that wrong too? Anyway, I think this merited a little more discussion than 'yes'.
Yes, I agree, it's more an attitude. This is part of an interview, hopefully he answers this on the full interview..
And if say someone is angry or whatever and yells out, “What the f**k!”, is that really any different then someone saying, “What the heck!” Or “what the frick!” The meaning and emotion behind it is the same. The only that that changes is the word being used. And in our language or any language words can change meaning or acceptance over time.
Honestly to me there really isn’t much of a difference between those three I mentioned as examples above.
I would say "darn" or "shoot" is acceptable, but anything like "Oh my (gosh, word, heavens and the Lord's name) would be a stay away from thing. I would even stay away from "son of a gun" because Jesus held women up in a speacial regard. That one is too close to insulting women. It is hard because when we become frustrated we struggle to express ourselves eloquently and sometimes we just shout out poor choices. We must remember to be aware of when it does happen to go to God, which I do several times a week over my language choices. It is a struggle. God Bless 🥰
@@dansands6363 There IS a difference. How you know there is is right there in your own statement...you can't spell out the rest of the entire word, but you could spell out heck and frick. Even non-christians recognize the f word as an obscene or curse word. Heck and Frick are not seen that way although I would say that Frick is definitely nearing a line there. That's not to say your point about attitude isn't correct. There's definitely meaning behind attitude and attitude can enhance meaning. But there is a difference in the words themselves too.
@@chriscoon801 The only reason I censored it is in respect to Mike's comment section and that pretty much everybody here wouldn't appreciate it being used. But the only reason that word (among other swear words) are censored in media, etc. is because our culture just happened to draw the line at those words. There are a lot of things that our cultures and societies deem perfectly okay and acceptable that us as Christians don't approve of. I suppose the opposite applies too.
Basically, I guess my point is...is that its all relative and subjective and depending on who you ask their response will be different. And are we really to judge so heavily over a matter such as this?
I dont like swearing ,but it is not because l am better than others that do .We all have faults to bear and if correcting someone ,only do it in humility and love !
@MikeWinger, should look at Jeff Durbin’s reasons for using curse words and give your response to his opinion since him and Doug Wilson are sort of leading the charge towards obscene talk in more conservative Christian circles. I agree with you on everything you said Mike!
Seek God’s will daily.
1 Peter 3:15
Mike was asking for a case for carefully using swear words...Jeff Durbin lays out a case in his video where he is addressing the Woke Church. Would be interested to hear Mike and Alisa's reaction to that.
Saying I AM is more important, telling God to not judge is real mercy toward God.
“It’s not what goes into a man’s mouth that defiles him; it is what comes out.”
Holy Bible
My mother used to threaten to wash my mouth out with soap. I wasn’t even allowed to use slang. Great Christian training, as she also taught me not to gossip, etc. Our words are very, very important to God. It bothers me to hear Christians use foul language, make crude jokes, etc. I’m guilty of careless words, & I have repented of them. We all need to take this seriously.
I am working on this so much right now..I know it grieves the Holy Spirit..I know my words matter and it honors God to control and choose my words..I repent when I catch myself now..Thank you for covering this topic..it reinforced my walk with Jesus. God bless 💗
I haven't heard a good exegetical reason not to be allowed to say "damnit" when speaking of bad doctrine or inanimate objects. Remember, cursing is not the same as foul language, it's literally as is sounds, A CURSE.
To say "damnit" is to call God to condemn something to hell.
When used earnestly and accurately, I see nothing with proper cursing. This doesn't include obvious stuff, like F or sex related cusses.
I live in a christian family and my mom gets mad if I say or even if what i’m watching has cuss words. She decided to show me this video because it relates to this topic. Now I don’t specifically have a problem with cussing, as long as it isn’t used to be hurtful or offensive towards me or someone else.
Yes! Thank you!! I thought this was a basic foundational standard (honestly due to growing up where cussing wasn’t heard from believers). I recently found that not to be the case in all cultures. Where I live now, so many professing Christians cuss. I’m talking like at church functions! I haven’t said anything but it shocked me as it’s happened on multiple occasions, and not with new believers either. This has to be spoken about and I pray that it reaches people that need to hear it.
The text in James 3 is about cursing an image-bearer. Cursing a human being is different than cussing.
Ephesians 5:4, Colossians 3:8, James 3
100% agree, although I used to be one of those naysayers when someone said Darn, Shoot, Gosh...embarrassing.
There are situations where the only appropriate response is some form of 'cussing.' I almost never cuss, but when I do it's for a reason. I want to shock people into an awareness of what's wrong with .... Doing so out of anger, or worse habit, is simple lack of self-control-- something a Christian isn't supposed to model.
Agreed. We should be purposeful with our words.
So much for faith ALONE making us perfect in the eyes of God in judgment day! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink
I’d say swearing is a problem as a Christian. For me it hurts when I swear I use swearing tactics to hurt and say mean things to hurt people
[11] Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man
What was happening in the church of Ephesus that caused Paul to write them and tell them that? Were they speaking that way in church? Was there ridiculousness happening in church during services? I mean when I use curse words and I do, it helps me regulate my emotions. Even if I curse under my breath. I struggle with this so much.
I still struggle with this ...although getting better with it since Jesus Christ saved me....
When and how did Jesus Christ save you- I'm interested.
“With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be.”
James 3:9-10
Depends how you use it. If you use it to bring someone up like “you’re a f*cking great brother man, I love you” that’s fine. It’s wholesome speak. Especially with the Irish lol! If you say it with hate in your heart it’s bad
I agree but not with words like fuck since that actually has meaning with words like ass damn it shit they have no meaning other then crap butt ect but fuck does have meaning so for me I stay away from it but I do joke every once and a while with shit or something and I don’t see why some of my friends thinks it’s the end of the world since they often call me a moron ect witch comes straight from the Bible and it’s very clear not to curse at your neighbors so idk
One way of trying to frame from cussing is to expand one's vocabulary. The words f*** or s*** have turned into common and lazy "ums"
"It's not a parallel" Yet, it's entirely a parallel. Hard to see the difference here. The key word there being "stronger" language. That's all "cussing" is. The phrase "Unless to edify or build up others" was conveniently left out here.
What verse is the "edify and build up others " from?
If what you're saying is true, that makes a bit more sense.
(Nvm, just read Ephesians 4:29. Makes sense)
So is it ok if I do it once in a while or not with harmful intint like not calling someone a b word or a word?
Cussing, gossiping, speaking terribly to someone is all the same and we shouldn’t do it even though I’m sure many of us find ourselves in that situation. I feel like too much emphasis is on one thing or more (like Christians rebuking homosexuality but rarely rebuke adultery if it stands next to homosexuality).
I agree with you both.
Christians don't rebuke adultery? You're in a horrible church. Call your pastors and elders to repent if they don't condemn adultery and I'd they don't, please get the stepping.
@@lkae4 No I said they openly rebuke homosexuality and I hear it more commonly than adultery and fornication so I do think people weigh what sins are emphasized over others when to me, they’re all the same. Read my comment more clearly. I never said they don’t. I said when it stands next to homosexuality, they will surely rebuke that as if it’s worst than adultery.
@@simpossibly_tiffani Because it's a given. Anyone who has felt like someone else is trying to flirt with their boo or their spouse understands that. Christians don't have to openly condemn first degree murder or theft either. Because it's a given.
The reason Christians talk about homosexuality is because many Christians are confused about what it and many are caught up and want to justify their sins. I thought it was ok just a few years ago. I thought, who's it harming? I even went to my friend's LGBT-affirming, female pastor-led church and thought there was indeed a welcoming vibe.
But God made it simple for me real quick with the social justice movement and BLM overshadowing the Gospel. After doing welcoming team for my church for Easter, I heard about the attacks in Sri Lanka. I grieved for all the families and grandmothers and grandfathers and babies and single folks and divorced folks and all the others. All just like the ones I welcomed through the doors at my church. And Obama and Hillary called them "Easter worshippers." They didn't even have the decency to call them Christians. And I grieved for the lies of the world against the family of God.
God finally woke me up to the lies of the world and the enemy. So now, it's simple. Bible says it's a sin. If we don't think it's a sin, nothing else is a sin, we don't need the Gospel, we don't need Jesus, we can get rid of Christianity. That's it. And become like China, Russia or the Middle East.
I do wonder how the old me would reply. Probably in a pretty disappointing way. Praise God I do need the Gospel.
I’m a Christian’s and I never feel guilty about using swear words. So long as it’s not disrespectful or hurtful
I really am trying to stop cussing... it is very difficult though as I was quite literally raised around sailors, bikers, truck drivers and car salesmen... and more than half of all of them were drug addicts. Cussing is very deeply ingrained in my personality... I know this shouldn't be an excuse but when you're raised in the manner that I was, those parts of my life have stuck to me like pitch (aka pine tar)... I am actively working on it though... every time I curse and realize it, I apologize and excuse myself to whomever I'm speaking and then I ask God for his forgiveness and help as i am helpless to stop sinning on my own. However, what bothers me most is the judgment from other Christians on the subject... as if my sin is greater than theirs.
When my brother and I were kids we either heard this phrase somewhere or we made it up but if we got frustrated we'd yell "poop on a stick!"
It's so stupid, but we still say it sometimes.
Does the word make the curse or does the attitude and intention make the curse?
There are plenty of uses of bad words that don't directly curse or insult anyone, such as the casual use of a$$ to reference the butt, or when reading King James.
I worked in an office with 5 people and they all cursed, only I didn't, and many of them called themselves Christian. I feel like if I also used those words, nobody would be offended since they're all used to it anyway, it doesn't offend anybody. "When in Rome, do as the Romans do".
So doesn't it seem like the words we use should simply be whatever is common in the group and wouldn't be considered offensive to anyone?
If I work with a bunch of rough necks and I'm the only one not cursing, I would be the only person actually offended! If I cursed as they did, they would hardly be offended at me or think less of me.
I think far more than specific word use, which is based only on culture, is the heart. I can hate someone with an unholy passion and curse them out with random words I make up as long as those words aren't the "normal" curse words, that's really no better and doesn't excuse my heart condition. "Darn you" is just as bad as the other variation if my heart is really feeling it.
We don't use naughty words around kids, that's culture and context. I know many police officers who use all the language in the book contextually dealing with hard criminals. "Listen you stinker I said put your flippin hands above your head or I'll kick your tushy!" Seems far more out of place.
Is the Bible really just saying specific dictionary words are off limits? Or is it saying control your heart and mind and don't offend people, by practicing self control of speech?
Also, I believe there have been studies showing the mental benefits of cursing to release tension. Yelling a curse word after pounding your finger with a hammer actually helps release the flood of energy. Not that this matters though.
I'm still in conflict though, because even after saying all that, there are still dictionary words I would never say around people no matter the context. I've never spoken the F word or N word around antybody for example. And yet, especially in today's media and culture, the F word has become an all too favorite casual word to drop. Even with high schoolers where it seems to have become the second most used word behind "like".
So all that to say, I'm still a bit unsure about it all. It seems to me it's just rather obvious when a word could be used, and when it shouldn't. And having self control and wisdom and a right heart is what determines it.
Finally, an answer that doesn’t just come to “just don’t”
Clearly the words I speak are significant. They should give life! However, using innocuous (cuss) words upon occasion to display frustration is not what is addressed in Scripture. I could be wrong but my conscience does not convict me in this. Making a practice of using truly odious, repulsive language or using our Lord’s name in vain is not innocuous. Of course, I want to behave as a reflection of my beautiful Saviour and I must consider whose ears will hear my words and select them with great care so as not to offend or cause someone to stumble or set a poor example for the young. Words that lead others away from eternal life in Jesus is what Scripture depicts. Hateful, untruthful, malicious, prideful, non-loving, violent words that belittle, demean, antagonize, manipulate, or otherwise crush someone’s spirit are what, I believe, is portrayed in the verses. Obviously, much more can be said on this topic, but this is not my channel.
Taking the lord's name in vain is serious, however just saying the words mean nothing. Remember, God judges the heart. He knows you're not damning him.
My understand as well....
It's more than obvious that the person who made the statement "cussing is not a sin", knows it's a sin but just doesn't care. This shows they don't have a heart of submission to Christ. Those that do want to honour Christ go out of their way to make sure they are.
2Tim 2:11It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
The study of cussing, kakalogology, has a less refined history among Christians in general and evangelicals in particular. This lack of definition has caused many outright offenses and some extremely awkward social situations. These range from blurting out words that sound mischievously like curse words but are, in fact, not, to a teacher or preacher’s hesitancy to utter the word “hell” in reference the place of eternal torment. What does the Bible teach concerning cussing? Can there be a Christian consensus on kakalogology? How are we to determine, in an age of words that did not exist in biblical times, what is appropriate and what is foul? If the Christian is to avoid uttering certain terms, we need to know what those are so we can at least keep an eye on them. And if there is a world of vocabulary available for communicating God’s message, shouldn’t we also be free to use it?
To avoid being flushed down the hermeneutical spiral, I will evade the issue of hermeneutics altogether with the exception of the following. There is much ado in hermeneutical works concerning such things as symbol, thing signified, meaning, referent, sense, indicator, sign, undsoweiter. In my own scheme, and for the sake of simplicity, I am limiting my discussion of bad words to symbol, meaning, and referent. In this work the term “symbol” means the actual word itself. There are two types of symbols: oral (the spoken word) and written (the written word). For example, the written symbol “crap” is simply a particular ordering of the right-open-crescent “c,” right-facing-hook “r,” clockwise-spiral “a,” and circle-with-left-tail “p.” The oral symbol is the combination of sounds made when one utters the word “crap,” that is, a short, silent tongue-scraping, semi-guttural sound (unvoiced velar stop), followed by a noisy bit of air passing over a lifted and retracted tongue and through a semi-pursed set of lips (voiced aveolar liquid syllabic), sliding smoothly into a smiley-faced, mid-length vowel tone (low front tense unrounded vowel), and ending in an abrupt and non-vocalized lip-popper (unvoiced bilabial stop).
The term “meaning” in this paper has both an objective and subjective sense. Objectively, “meaning” is the unaffected definition of the word, that is, the connotation that the word itself brings to the context. For the words “crap" or "shit" the objective meaning is simply “something unpleasant.” The subjective meaning is the definition attached to a particular symbol by the user or receiver, which meaning is wholly dependent on context.
Clearly, the Bible forbids something called aijscrologiva (aischrologia), “obscene speech.” Colossians 3:8 says, “But now you also, put them all aside: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and abusive speech [aijscrologiva (aischrologia)] from your mouth” (NASB). The NIV translates the word as “filthy language.” The KJV has “filthy communication.” The ASV reads, “shameful speaking.” Luther, who is known for his affection for cussing, translates the word “schandbare Worte.”
The question is What does Colossians 3:8 specifically forbid when it tells us to put away aijscrologiva (aischrologia)? The word itself is made up of two Greek words: aijscrov" (aischros) meaning “disgraceful, shameful, dishonest,” and lovgia (logia), meaning “oracles.” In every use in the NT, lovgia (logia) refers to “oracles,” or the revealed message from God. It is not the word lovgo" (logos), which can refer to actual words themselves (Matt 12:36), a message (Matt 13:19), or speech in general (Matt 5:37). So, it appears that Paul is actually forbidding false prophesying.
In light of this introductory discussion toward an evangelical theology of cussing (practical kakalogology), we must conclude with the NT that the utterance of a cuss word in and of itself is neutral (Rom 14:14), that there is nothing inherently sinful about a particular verbal symbol. Rather, its filthiness or appropriateness is derived from its referent and significance. Paul demonstrates this in his use of “crap” in Philippians 3:8, where the symbol skuvbalon (skubalon), has a metaphorical referent of his former religious practices, with the significance that these practices are worthless.
One is reminded of the rather exhaustive list of foul words and phrases of the sinfully raucous comedian, George Carlin. It is still a matter of debate in the field of philosophical kakalogology whether his list ought to be regarded as the standard.
Thus, rather than reprobates like George Carlin, Eddie Murphy, and Buddy Hackett, the condemnation pertaining to the aijscrologiva (aischrologia) rather applies to the practices of such men as Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, Robert Tilton, Kenneth Hagin, and Kenneth Copeland.
It is interesting that Luther’s translation of the Bible standardized the German language. It is also interesting to note that Germans today, including German Christians, rarely hesitate to use colorful, earthy language in every-day conversation.
Cursing was one of the first things God convicted me of after I got saved. I didn’t even know much of what the Bible said about it at that time, I just knew it was wrong to call myself a child of God and have the kind of language come out of my mouth that did.
Also, wouldn’t you say that “cursing” goes much deeper than just those words we label as “curse words”, but basically anything that would be considered a “curse” on someone? For example, if I called someone a butthead, that would be a curse on someone. Or if I said someone “sucked” at something, that would also be considered a curse on someone. Just anything that is “unwholesome”, negative, tears someone down, or criticizes someone would be considered a “curse” from what I’ve gathered. Thoughts?
💯 agree
he Bible speaks against the use of bad language or cussing, also known as "foul language," "unwholesome talk," or "vulgar language." This type of speech is contrary to the principles of love, purity, and righteousness that are emphasized in the Bible.
Ephesians 4:29 states, "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen." This verse emphasizes the importance of speaking words that are beneficial and uplifting to others.
Colossians 3:8-10 also warns against the use of bad language: "But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator."
These verses suggest that using bad language is not consistent with the new life that Christians have in Christ. Instead, we are called to put off our old ways of speaking and to put on a new self that is renewed in the image of God.
But if I make a joke to someone that I know will make them laugh and bring joy is that not building up?
Man, this has been something that has bothered me so much lately because I realized I've failed to really bring an awareness of this to a few people I know who claim to know Jesus but still use foul language & it has bothered me so badly when I think about it. How timely. & this is very helpful because I wanted to bring the awareness & also make a clear case like this on the basis that it is in fact SIN.
You'd think someone who professes Christ would know profanity is unacceptable but based on a few other things that I can only observe to be issues of the heart, I wonder if they truly know what it means to be born-again. I'm praying for these individuals...
Not the answer I was looking for but a better one I guess🤷♂️
My question is: what do you do of you are in special forces, or any other profession where cussing is the norm, and the only person on the team who doesn't cuss, and thus causes a separation between you and the team?
I agree with the point in this video, but in life we may be met with situations where being overly righteous is genuinely harmful to us.
For example: driving the speed limit when the flow of traffic is going ten over. It causes anxiety for both parties and a dangerous situation. You are better off going with the flow of traffic, which HELPS with self control, because not only are you not anxious and stubbornly clinging to the speed limit, but you're helping everyone else get to their destinations safely and without trouble.
It means shit, Mike...shit. It's quibbling to say it's strong language but then assign a weak synonym like poop to the greek.
What is troubling is how hard it is to break the shackles of trivial legalism that has bound so much of Christianity throughout the 20th century. Words are tools. What matters is the condition of the heart and the intentions of the speaker. That's the meaning of the fire of the tongue, the foul speech, etc. It's is analogous to eating meat sacrificed to idols. Something Jesus made utterly straight forward, but we muddled.
Love your work, Mike and Alisa!
I agree with you…it means shit!!! My bigger question is this….if they say that “cursing” is a sin then who determines what words to be sinful…man or God? When I ask other believers this they always say God determines what sin is…then I ask them to show me a list of “bad words” in the Bible….I get this confused look from them and no one has ever produced verses that list and say “these are bad words!!!”
The Greek word σκύβαλα there in Phil 3:8 actually means refuse or waste. It's not the Greek word that is intended to be the filthier word meaning s###. That's another word.
I personally believe cursing isn’t necessarily good but if I joke with someone who understands I joke and I say shit I don’t believe it’s a sin you have to remember in these verses it says don’t let foul language come out of your mouth that is out of place so to me it depends on the circumstances
"Cuss" words are substitute words and or unRestrained expressions. If you read 1 Corinthians 5:1 there is an opportunity to make one gasp in unbelief at what has been said. If we say it in the currently ungodly acceptable language. However it means the same thing in any language. I think the emphasis would be what is necessary. And what is idle. As said in the video and in scripture we will be accountable for every idle word. Make your words count.
If I trap my finger in a closing car door there`s something deep inside me that stops me saying "oh Christ!" or similar. That`s the good side. But I`ll more than likley come out with the S or F word. That bothers me. I don`t know how to overcome that :-(
Very relevant in this day of stadium chants, as we try to live in a way that people see Jesus in us
I am gay, not homosexual and not same sex attracted, I am joyous and expressively so (without a lisp). I endeavor to never be proud of anything including my children, though I have told them they tempt me with the sin of pride. My point is words are often changed in culture to sometimes represent something completely different than originally intended use. Yes measure our words for we are held responsible for EVERYTHING we say but also understand, it is not what we do that effects Gods grace for it can abound no more abundantly than it does. As for taking the Lords name in vain? well I would not call yourself a follower of the christ Yeshua(Jesus) [ie: christian] if you do not submit to his LORDSHIP over your dead self.
Many Latinos say "Dios mio" (Oh my God) in a casual way, which is directly breaking the 3rd Commandment. Por favor, hermanos, no hacen eso!!
I've pointed this out several times in TH-cam comments, so you may have heard it from me before, but I'll say it again:
Often, the people who criticize others for saying "gosh", "darn", "fart", or "butt" are the same people who tell ethnic jokes and use ethnic slurs. That's worse.
Swearing and cursing are specific things. Profanity is not swearing or cursing.
Is selling weed a sin? If so, how is it different from selling fruits / vegetables?
There are non-sinful and sinful uses of them all.
I agree that we should be talking with thanksgiving. But here’s what I’m trying to get at. And its that modern curse words like the “s-word” and the “f-word” originally came from Germany and “Damn” and “Piss” originally came from France.
So would do you think that God considers modern day curse words just as vulgar as curse words used back in the Middle East during the Bible times?
What about using curse words as a way of expression, and not to demean someone. Would God still consider using modern-day curse words just as sinful even if we use them as a form of expression?
Yes, all curse words are bad, no matter how they're said, obviously using them as expression, and not directly cursing AT someone is less bad, in content, but it still is offensive, if I say in anger oh f, or if I said f you, the same f word is used, therefore I am sinning, maybe less in the first instance, but my aim should be to give up saying the f word, and other bad words altogether.
@@pauljohnson6019 if this is the case then I might as well not speak since most words are offensive and crass. You can’t use any word that uses the bathroom since they are crass, speaking about not talking about curse words is rude. You can’t correct anyone on anything or the meaning behind your words is calling them dumb. Edification would be nonexistent since again correcting others would be rude so I might as well not speak ever.
@@MODO100percent No no no, you're blowing everything out of proportion, you can speak words but they don't have to be curse words, just say poo or poop instead of s word, and pee instead of p word, it sounds more seasoned.
Whosoever ... hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookback, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken ... He shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries. Leviticus 21:17-23 KJV
My question is what does God consider a cuss or using Gods name in vine, or foolish word, bc I knew some that in her country a word we consider a cuss word here wasn’t considered one there so which words does God consider words we shouldn’t say and why? Also the same with using God’s name in vine since we all say there are lot of tiles for his name. Is his name Jesus, Jesus Christ, Yahweh. It’s hard as a Christian to say the right words when it’s not clear which words are bad bc a lot of words today I would consider not good to say and some aren’t even cuss words. The Bible doesn’t have a list of words u can’t say, but that u should not use foolish talk. This is so confusing to me. I was taught a kid growing up in Christian home that cussing was bad but this just confusing to me. Please help this Christian understand. Thanks
Clergyman: I was interested to see a Bible by your bed. You actually find time to read it?
Patton: I sure do. Every goddamn day.
"Patton" (1970)
Years back, when I changed from being a potty mouthed scoffer at all things Christian to a believer in Christ and God, I gave up swearing {cussing} for lent. Wow what an eye opener! It was only then I realised how lazy and offensive it is. Now cussing and blaspheming hit me like a blow to the gut.
What defines cussing? Two specific words in today's modern day society that are considered cuss words are both in scripture. Furthermore, "cussing" is not just with words, but with hand gestures + iconography too. Such words/hand gestures/iconography change from generation to generation, nation to nation, house to house. It's impossible to track as the human language + social norms are constantly changing. As a kid, I was told that saying the word "lie" was a cuss word. I was told to use the phrase "telling stories" as a replacement. So if I use the word "lie" am I going to hell? What about "damn"? What about "idiot"? Of course not. This is a non-salvation matter thankfully, as no one can seem to agree on this lol.
Cussing and cursing, two different things that people don't understand. Christians should not curse by speaking evil on others. Cussing falls under unwholesome words and shouldn't be misunderstood by thinking a curse is a cuss word. So as unwholesome words shouldn't proceed out of our mouths degrading curse or cussing words are outside of Christiam character. Simple distinctions with prohibitions on both.
I don’t cuss, but I don’t understand why it’s considered a sin.
Aren’t words just words? Do we ascribe to society’s declaration that certain words are evil?
The S-word, for example, is another word for poop. Why is it OK to say “crap” but not the other word?
And it’s not just about the emotion that’s often behind these words. You can have the same emotion but use different words, and that’s fine.
I kind of get the F-word. That’s lewd because it refers to sex, I guess. “Hell” and “damn” shouldn’t be used flippantly. But I’d take five S-words over one “Jesus Christ” any day. How did that become the go-to curse? As a society, our priorities on which words are less vile have gone wonky.
This is obvious to anyone with a thinking brain. Language is changing because of the internet... words that were scarcely even named are now uttered commonly. What's really happened is, they've lost their power as profanity.
It's not as if words have objective and final meanings that never change! Otherwise we'd still be speaking like Shakespeare! I think we're watching the change happen right now (alongside a whole host of other words, and the scores of new words that have been invented, too).
Will try to answer to my understanding, a bit. Not that I'm an expert, but hopefully this'll help. :)
"Aren’t words just words?"
A few notes on this.
-Words convey meaning, otherwise I could just say your question is 'just words' and not actually a question. Any time you see a word, if you want to understand what is being said but don't know what the word means, you'll be missing out.
-In conveying meaning, words are thus vessels for ideas - and I mean that in more ways than one. In fact, they even influence thought processes.
Can attest to this: when I was younger and read a book on some of the roots of words in the English language, it felt like my thought processes 'sped up' because I had more efficient vessels for thinking through certain topics. My 'thought dictionary' improved, so to speak, and with it my 'thought speed' and ability to discern words I was unfamiliar with or that had similar roots yet were in a different language.
-Words that have 'filthy meanings', then, will drag things down.
Recall the beginning of Proverbs 23:7 "For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he".
If your thoughts (often carried about by words silently expressed in your head) are suffused with filthiness, then some of that will creep into where you think, where your mind rests, and what your tongue speaks. The world, and those God loved enough to die for, will look filthier because the way you think about it is filthier. (Granted, the world is filled with sin: but recall His love that God went *through* that at the cross to offer us forgiveness)
Recall Philippians 4:8 - then after reading it, try thinking of what the opposite of that verse would be.
Since that verse is about resting your mind on good things: the opposite, to me, sounds like it'd be thinking filthy thoughts about vile things!
-Similarly, think of someone who 'swears like a sailor'.
Do you think if they were challenged to go through an entire normal day speaking, but not swearing, they could do it? Or have they been so careless for so long that their tongue naturally is disgusting at this point, and they have no control anymore over what is blurted out?
Do you think that even if they were to visit somewhere where they know they are to act more solemnly (funeral, kindergarten, church), they could control their tongue even there?
Luke 16:10:
"He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much."
And how little the tongue is, yet how great the fire it kindles...
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"The S-word, for example, is another word for poop. Why is it OK to say “crap” but not the other word?"
As others have expressed in this comments section: one is considered more harsh than the other.
This is actually pretty simple to understand, when I stopped to think about how to respond!
For example, let's say I'm grading someone on a test and they didn't do well.
I add a remark on the bottom on one of the questions they got wrong.
Which of these remarks is the worst?
"This was incorrect."
"This was silly."
"This was dumb."
"This was idiotic."
"This was *bleep* *bleeping* *bleep*, you *bleeping* *bleep*."
It's obvious which one is *the* worst, but there's also a scale here - if I was to just say the first line as a remark, there'd probably be no hard feelings on the recipient's end beyond simply being upset that they got the problem wrong (or that I was saying something was wrong but not offering correction, but I digress).
Further, all of these convey the following as part of their message: "this was not the right answer."
Some responses, however, imply more.
The 's-word' *can* be a harsher way to speak of the same type of thing, but more often than not is used in harsher circumstances and more often used as an insult or vile exclamation, and similarly often completely unrelated to the toilet (instead, trying to call people that, for example).
Further, I tend to avoid even the other word you mentioned, though not perfectly, nor do I expect others to avoid it.
Plus, 'poop' just sounds funnier. :P
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"As a society, our priorities on which words are less vile have gone wonky."
Agreed, here!
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Have a nice day. :)
I agree. If a word slips out I’m not so stressed, but as a (re)new believer, if I inadvertently take the Lord’s name in vain, I know I have sinned and need to repent.
Just because society says something is evil doesn't mean they got it wrong. Sometimes they get it right. Even the secular society agrees with God that murder, rape and stealing is wrong.
I don't think words are always "just words".
Apparently God arranged history in order to have Paul tell us to put off the filthy words.
Isaiah cursed and admitted it.
Isaiah 6:5
Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the LORD Almighty.”
God considered it a sin in which Isaiah needed atonement for.
Isaiah 6:6,7
6Then one of the seraphim flew to me, and in his hand was a glowing coal that he had taken with tongs from the altar. 7And with it he touched my mouth and said:
“Now that this has touched your lips,
your iniquity is removed
and your sin is atoned for.”
It's a sin.
Like Isaiah we need to recognize that it is displeasing to God and not becoming of a man of God.
I don't even know why this is a question, honestly. Let no unwholesome talk come out of your mouth.. God's word. Command, actually.
I don't think so, unless it offends someone, and there are certain curse words that are just vulgar, and NEVER EVER with God or Yashua in the same sentence....
Using the name of the Lord in vain IS sin. Foul language is just foul.
I think it depends on if it is derogatory. I just stepped in _____ is not cursing. You are fool of ____ is a curse word because it is derogatory. Same word but different uses