hey, thank you for making this video. Recently, I have been looking on the internet to understand how to build the surge platform. I was surprised how little info I could find. Your video is by far the most detailed. Awesome job!
You are the man! You confirmed most of what I figured out from your other videos and solidified some of my theories. Now for the TL platform video! ;) I got 3 out of 7 packages shipped from China, here Monday. thanks!!!
thank you, this motivated me to do surge on mine.. i have a sigma integrale 3dof system and i think i can make these work with that solution. and much cheap.
Hi Mate!! nice video again. maybe a bit too late 🤔😃 but..... Here is something to think about...... I am using a sfx100 and also build a surge platform BUT .....did something strange... I build the surge on a inner frame and mounted the seat and pedals on it. on the outer frame with the actuators i mounted the steering base and the surge platform within only moves a FEW cm forward when braking and smoothly back under accelerating of course i know it sounds a bit weird but really gives the feeling like your body get pressed out of your seat (closer to your steering wheel) when braking Believe me... the braking feels so good and realistic now
I have done something similar with fixed steering and actuators just moving the seat/pedals. Similar to 'Race Beyond Matter'. Really like it, as you can feel constant Gs through the steering wheel that a standard motion frame cannot mimic.
So here's my personal pro tip for the next builder... Make the surge platform an inch or so wider than the Rig frame. I made my cuts the same, but i'm finding the actuators are bowing in a bit. I'm 3d printing a spacer to try and use for time being but just ordered a set of 4 aluminum spacers (same ones that come with rig) to double up on them. Alex at E-Racing did say they had a 40mm custom milled extrusion spacer as well in case anyone needs to go that route.
@@simul8master I’ve got several MM of gap between the brackets which I mounted inside, and the rig frame. I feel like if I spaced the rig out a little more when building it on the surge it would fit perfect. Just a thought. I’ve got a lot of tweaking to do! And you are right about the vertical 4040 actuator bracket for the surge, it’s way too small. It just seemed like it would fit better before it was all put together. This might be more of a thing for RigMetal platforms as they are a bit imperfect lol
@@simul8master Another note would be that the 40x160 in the rear of the bottom TL platform, that allows for the 'sway' of the wheels, doesn't need to be 51 in. You could easily get away with 6-9 inches or more, less. Right now, as I measure it, at max travel on either side, I have 5~ inches of unused room. The pics are old the E-racing sends as some things changed, and the metal plates/wheel tracks are much wider than the pics. You could almost put them together to make one giant metal plate (the measurements might be exactly that on the width).
G'day mate, I've ordered the surge kit from eRacing lab, just wondering what size and quantity of the tee nut & bolts needed for the rails? Thanks for the setup videos they've been a great help.
thanks to show off your surge build, very helpfull. I have a question about srs, do you know they have some sort of washout feature in their software like simtools?
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing the knowledge. Do you find the traction loss rails are longer than they need to be? Or do most people make them larger to ensure they don't bump off? Eracing-labs needs to link your videos. Keep it up man! The channel will build slowly. Great content. Thanks!
I would rather have it cover the whole profile without the gap but it works as is now. But for sure the longer the better. If someone does not plan this right, it will fall off especially if the rails are even shorter than they are today.
Hi. Question for you. I also bought the surge kit from eRacinng and I'm having trouble finding screws to attach the linear rails to the profile. The smaller diameter hole is M6 but the heads of M6 socket head screws dont fit into the larger holes? I measured the diameter and it's 9.5mm and the dimensions of most socket heads I found is around 9.8mm. Do you know what hardware you used to attach the rails? Thanks!
Ah. You said m6 in video. Ok I'll order those I guess. The lower holes are m6. I think the top dimensions are wrong but is what is I guess. Thanks for the reply
At 7:40 you talk about the brackets being installed on the outside and colliding with your vertical profiles - do you not bolt the brackets (or rollers?) to the upper rig so that they surge with it? Is that not how it works? (i'm researching this as im about to order :) ) - thanks for your time
You do bolt it to the actual rig but there is an actuador that moves the actual rig back and forth for surge. So as it moves back and forth, the brackets are fixed in place so if you do not have clearance, it will hit.
Test #1 - Surge not completed yet. Couldn't install the rails w/ the M6 bolts I had. The heads were too big, hoping some new Amazon ones will do the trick that are exactly 10mm wide (socket cap). Using Sim Racing Studio, works out of the box. I updated firmware on Thanos to Fix7 that was just released, but haven't played with or confirmed Servo Driver settings. First thing I noticed is that each actuator has a little bit different travel, some more than others. th-cam.com/video/f4j2A3iRac8/w-d-xo.html
Literally doing this right now ... just took delivery of the surge & tl kit. Have you built the surge with an extra inch of width or just match the exact frame size? My gt evo is 58cm wide so as per comments above was thinking or ordering the surge frame as an inch larger.
@tomyippeekiyay2781 it gotta be the same exact dimention as the GT1 EVO, 500mm qty 2, 1350mm qty 2 and 210mm qty 2 these are to hold the actuator all of the 40x80 profiles. If you add an inch it won't clear the 4 main movement actuator and it wont fit on the rails.
@FamiliaColl amazing thanks. Just realised from this that i measured the width from the outter edges instead on the inside which is why i had 580mm not 500mm ... phew.
@@simul8master Thought so, thanks! Turns out my RigMetal Flagship is about the same size, 1300mm Length 40x80 pieces, and 500mm(19.7") wide pieces so the measurements are basically exactly the same, minus the length. All 40x80mm cuts getting sent to local place I found that is a 80/20 dealer and has free pick up. All these cuts are under 700$. I just need to order the 120mm piece's from 80/20 or elsewhere as local place is fresh out of 120. # of Pieces Size Length of Cut 4 40x80 1300mm 2 40x80 500mm 2 40X80 200mm 2 40X80 1740mm 4 40x80 540mm
@@simul8master Absolutely. I have an old GoPro, i'll try and record it, lol. Going to be very uncomfortable sitting on tile floor. We don't have BerBer here like you do in CA
@@simul8master You mentioned you got your extrusion from Framing Tech. I need to get the 120 from a non-local supplier (they are out) and was curious about their shipping turn around time for you. How long from order to cut/ship did it take them? I'm on their site now and built an order but no mention of their lead times. I'm between Framing tech and Parco right now, they are cheaper than 80/20 and shipping isn't bad to the SE. Oh, and how is your paint holding up? I'm debating whether or not to locally anodize or powder coat the extrusion.
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Looks great!! Thanks for making these videos!!
hey, thank you for making this video. Recently, I have been looking on the internet to understand how to build the surge platform. I was surprised how little info I could find. Your video is by far the most detailed. Awesome job!
You are the man! You confirmed most of what I figured out from your other videos and solidified some of my theories. Now for the TL platform video! ;) I got 3 out of 7 packages shipped from China, here Monday.
thanks!!!
Looks like a nice kit. All the best.
Really awesome! Hope I got a budget to build the same setup. 👍🏿
thank you, this motivated me to do surge on mine.. i have a sigma integrale 3dof system and i think i can make these work with that solution. and much cheap.
Hi Mate!! nice video again.
maybe a bit too late 🤔😃 but.....
Here is something to think about......
I am using a sfx100 and also build a surge platform BUT .....did something strange...
I build the surge on a inner frame and mounted the seat and pedals on it.
on the outer frame with the actuators i mounted the steering base and the surge platform within only moves a FEW cm forward when braking
and smoothly back under accelerating of course
i know it sounds a bit weird but really gives the feeling like your body get pressed out of your seat (closer to your steering wheel) when braking
Believe me... the braking feels so good and realistic now
I have done something similar with fixed steering and actuators just moving the seat/pedals. Similar to 'Race Beyond Matter'. Really like it, as you can feel constant Gs through the steering wheel that a standard motion frame cannot mimic.
So here's my personal pro tip for the next builder... Make the surge platform an inch or so wider than the Rig frame. I made my cuts the same, but i'm finding the actuators are bowing in a bit. I'm 3d printing a spacer to try and use for time being but just ordered a set of 4 aluminum spacers (same ones that come with rig) to double up on them. Alex at E-Racing did say they had a 40mm custom milled extrusion spacer as well in case anyone needs to go that route.
Interesting. If you do cut the surge an inch wider, how would the surge attach to the rig?
@@simul8master I’ve got several MM of gap between the brackets which I mounted inside, and the rig frame. I feel like if I spaced the rig out a little more when building it on the surge it would fit perfect. Just a thought. I’ve got a lot of tweaking to do! And you are right about the vertical 4040 actuator bracket for the surge, it’s way too small. It just seemed like it would fit better before it was all put together. This might be more of a thing for RigMetal platforms as they are a bit imperfect lol
@@simul8master Another note would be that the 40x160 in the rear of the bottom TL platform, that allows for the 'sway' of the wheels, doesn't need to be 51 in. You could easily get away with 6-9 inches or more, less. Right now, as I measure it, at max travel on either side, I have 5~ inches of unused room. The pics are old the E-racing sends as some things changed, and the metal plates/wheel tracks are much wider than the pics. You could almost put them together to make one giant metal plate (the measurements might be exactly that on the width).
hey, thanks for the video! waiting for my RS mega+ und want to add surge and traction loss soon
G'day mate, I've ordered the surge kit from eRacing lab, just wondering what size and quantity of the tee nut & bolts needed for the rails? Thanks for the setup videos they've been a great help.
Each rail needs 10 . m5x20mm screws.
@simul8master Awesome, thanks for the reply mate.
thanks to show off your surge build, very helpfull. I have a question about srs, do you know they have some sort of washout feature in their software like simtools?
Awesome video! Thanks for sharing the knowledge. Do you find the traction loss rails are longer than they need to be? Or do most people make them larger to ensure they don't bump off? Eracing-labs needs to link your videos. Keep it up man! The channel will build slowly. Great content. Thanks!
I would rather have it cover the whole profile without the gap but it works as is now. But for sure the longer the better. If someone does not plan this right, it will fall off especially if the rails are even shorter than they are today.
Hey on the main actuators, did u just do away with the upper mounting brackets?
Hey which upper mounting brackets? If you mean the one that came with the packaging, then yes.
Hi. Question for you. I also bought the surge kit from eRacinng and I'm having trouble finding screws to attach the linear rails to the profile. The smaller diameter hole is M6 but the heads of M6 socket head screws dont fit into the larger holes? I measured the diameter and it's 9.5mm and the dimensions of most socket heads I found is around 9.8mm. Do you know what hardware you used to attach the rails? Thanks!
Hey! You'll need M5 x 20mm - That's what I used - 10 per rail.
Ah. You said m6 in video. Ok I'll order those I guess. The lower holes are m6. I think the top dimensions are wrong but is what is I guess. Thanks for the reply
Yea sorry about that. I’ll need to edit and update the video.
Great video~ Where did you get that powder coated or did you just paint it?
Nope just spray painted.
G'day mate, just wondering how you grease the surge platform? Cheers
Have not had to do it yet. You should be able to just grease the rails if need be. Let me check tomorrow.
At 7:40 you talk about the brackets being installed on the outside and colliding with your vertical profiles - do you not bolt the brackets (or rollers?) to the upper rig so that they surge with it? Is that not how it works? (i'm researching this as im about to order :) ) - thanks for your time
You do bolt it to the actual rig but there is an actuador that moves the actual rig back and forth for surge. So as it moves back and forth, the brackets are fixed in place so if you do not have clearance, it will hit.
Hi @Simul8Master, where did you get these nice closed corner brackets from?
Trakracer.com
Hi, do you connect the pull bar with the frame ? I'm talking about the metal piece with the two black Aluminium pieces ? Thanks
video uploading right now.
I may have missed it from your other videos but which parts of the surge platform connects to the traction loss platform?
The surge sits on top of the TL.
@OP .... Question ... what t slot nut size & bolt lenght did you need for the surge rails? I have m6 nuts but I'm not sure on the bolt length i need.
Hey brother…it’s actually m5x20mm is what I used.
Test #1 - Surge not completed yet. Couldn't install the rails w/ the M6 bolts I had. The heads were too big, hoping some new Amazon ones will do the trick that are exactly 10mm wide (socket cap). Using Sim Racing Studio, works out of the box. I updated firmware on Thanos to Fix7 that was just released, but haven't played with or confirmed Servo Driver settings. First thing I noticed is that each actuator has a little bit different travel, some more than others.
th-cam.com/video/f4j2A3iRac8/w-d-xo.html
Can you link or tell me what profile you used from Framing Technologies?
Hey! It’s 40 series. A mix of 40x80’s and 40x120’s. Mentioned in some of my other videos. I’ll have a parts list up soon.
Any chance you can drop a parts/shopping list?
Specifically the rail length and what those sliders are called, they're not just 'linear guides' but a specific type
@SilynJaguar for sure. If you are buying this from eracing lab, the rails and sliders are included.
Superbe job peux ton avoir liste des course pour les rails stp
Is the actuator for surge 80mm wide? I'm adding surge to my simlab gt1 evo.
Yes! 80mm.
Literally doing this right now ... just took delivery of the surge & tl kit. Have you built the surge with an extra inch of width or just match the exact frame size? My gt evo is 58cm wide so as per comments above was thinking or ordering the surge frame as an inch larger.
@tomyippeekiyay2781 it gotta be the same exact dimention as the GT1 EVO, 500mm qty 2, 1350mm qty 2 and 210mm qty 2 these are to hold the actuator all of the 40x80 profiles. If you add an inch it won't clear the 4 main movement actuator and it wont fit on the rails.
@FamiliaColl amazing thanks. Just realised from this that i measured the width from the outter edges instead on the inside which is why i had 580mm not 500mm ... phew.
@tomyippeekiyay2781 glad I could help!
Is there some pdf with products you need to buy and plans.
Yea I started it a while back but did not finish. I will let you know once done.
Is the surge the same size as the rig profile? That makes it realy easy to order the parts.
@Snakkers it is exactly the same in my case.
@@simul8master i think its the same here. And the aqtuators are connecting to the surge frame instead of the rig frame?
@Snakkers yes. Actuators connect to surge. Rig then sits on surge and connect via the 8 brackets on the sliders.
Are the actuator bodies 80mm or 100mm wide? Just doing more math on my end :)
100mm
@@simul8master Thought so, thanks! Turns out my RigMetal Flagship is about the same size, 1300mm Length 40x80 pieces, and 500mm(19.7") wide pieces so the measurements are basically exactly the same, minus the length.
All 40x80mm cuts getting sent to local place I found that is a 80/20 dealer and has free pick up. All these cuts are under 700$. I just need to order the 120mm piece's from 80/20 or elsewhere as local place is fresh out of 120.
# of Pieces Size Length of Cut
4 40x80 1300mm
2 40x80 500mm
2 40X80 200mm
2 40X80 1740mm
4 40x80 540mm
@@dofmaster106 very cool. You must be excited - I know the feeling. Make sure you show your build when done and reach out if you need any help.
@@simul8master Absolutely. I have an old GoPro, i'll try and record it, lol. Going to be very uncomfortable sitting on tile floor. We don't have BerBer here like you do in CA
@@simul8master You mentioned you got your extrusion from Framing Tech. I need to get the 120 from a non-local supplier (they are out) and was curious about their shipping turn around time for you. How long from order to cut/ship did it take them? I'm on their site now and built an order but no mention of their lead times. I'm between Framing tech and Parco right now, they are cheaper than 80/20 and shipping isn't bad to the SE.
Oh, and how is your paint holding up? I'm debating whether or not to locally anodize or powder coat the extrusion.
Now do traction loss!
yup I am on it :)
Looking to order to order traction loss but have no clue the parts I would need to build it .
@@CaliCuh i am putting the video together. Will probably be up tomorrow