These kind of videos (also the one from guadalupe) are one of the best in my opinion. Seeing pro-level guys like Damo struggling makes me be more patient and keep motivation high. It's easy to just come to youtube once you are nailing it and show how good you are. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Guys, just got a used KT DFly 8’2, now looking for a foil. Really appreciate all that you guys have shared over this last year. I was so worried that I was going to be too light for it at 160lbs. I just tried a friends 7’6 gong air for flat water start, and although I couldn’t get up I was so happy that my sup downwind and surf sup experience allowed me to just paddle and not fall.
As usual, really nice video. I think I finally see the light, I’ve never experienced something that humbling 😆 it feels good once it clicks. Happy to be in the beginning of this amazing journey!
I have a tip I learned in Mexico this winter wing foiling in the salt and waves for the first time: I usually wear polarized glasses on the water which takes the glare off the water, BUT it also makes it harder to see the surface of the waves and gauge height board off the water and see wave faces.. Took them off and it made a big difference reading the water. I stopped breaching as much mainly but also was able to find and stay on the best parts of the wave..
Those tips are all spot on! I always find it was easier to paddle out until you see the bumps actually going downwind, then keep going for another minute or two. It's typically about 1km offshore. And as you say, don't afraid of volume and length, my board is 1.45x my weight and I'd consider myself an advanced+ paddler.
Wow! I've watched a lot of downwind foiling videos from Hawaii, Hood River, and similar places. But watching you guys downwind in my home waters is really eye opening to the possibilities.
Great comedy team! No seriously, you guys are great together. Love the longer boards. At it 6 months and still haven’t flown. A visit to Jeremy in Maui late month. Can’t wait to fly.
Nice .. The experiences you have struggling help me a lot .. went back to your downwind 360 video these days .. same thing .. your struggles help me to understand.
Great advice yes the challenge, struggle, and obstacles make it that much better when you get it. I know I need a larger volume board. It's always great just to go out and I feel I will keep learning it's baby steps
Hi ! Thank you for sharing all these videos! Great!!!! Question : would it be interesting using stoke assist or foildrive assist to shorten progression? Thank you!!!!!!
Many reasons to paddle further out for sure! Paddling out farther as a beginner helps you get a better angle with the bumps, and also allows you more time to struggle to get up which usually you driving in loosing ground before getting up and cutting out and when you do get up you will still be in better bumps that are more aligned with the run, as you get in closer usually the bumps wrap into shore marking it even harder.
Great vid ,spot on at least you guys have the guts to tell the hole truth!! I struggled ,tested gear invested ….but nothing worked ….. I am 57 years old I can take off almost at anything except flat water that I never tried and never will My best score is 700 meters ride ……. All these that you describe in this vid comes to a very short description…… You have to be young and very very fit ! That’s all I quit some time ago for me there is no meaning to do a 4 km run with 15 take offs and definitely I have no time and will to train and get fiscally to what it takes to achieve this 😢 I admire and envy youngsters that can do it but for most off as mare mortals that live in the real world and came to an age it is an illusion……
Great video again guys. I am thinking about getting a DW board for Light Wind Winging and SUP wave surfing. Not sure if I want to do the full Downwinder yet. Not sure what size board to go with. I weigh 190 with my wetsuit. Was thinking in the 120 L range? I really like the Starboard Ace (7'4 120 L 21 1/2 wideI have been foiling for a good 4 years and used to SUP alot. What do you guys think?
Nice video! You talk about using big foils, but the Razor Pro 975 isn’t that big if you compare with what alot of people are recommending for DW beginners, e.g. Axis ART PRO 1201 or 1401. That makes me consider the new Leviathan Pro at ~ 1260mm width and 13 AR (but still 17mm thick). What do you think?
The Razor 980 and 975 have a better low end than most 1300 cm2 out there, that's why it works so well for downwinding while being super turny/playful because of its size. Yes the Leviathan Pro 1160 and 1260 should be pretty good for downwinding too! We will have them at wingfoilprocenter.com as soon as they come out!
Great tips. Be calm, chase behind the bigger bumps, slow is fast, speed is out to sea and riding in to shore slower. I disagree about foils, foils do matter! And if you can’t stand on your board, you ain’t foiling 🤣🤙🏻
This is helpful I too like the challenge and got a dw but I've only got a standard sup Surf paddle, is anyone making it with a standard paddle or do I really need one of those whopper paddles ?
I use the regular paddle, (Damo) but as everything goes things get better and more specific for what application you are doing. The whopper paddles are better though.
Is the HA ratio important? Does a 1100 or 1400 ( in my case seven seas of f one) with HA ratio of 8 work? Or is HA 10 with 1600 or 1900 better (e.G. f one jam)? Thanks!
The speed of the bumps THEORETICALLY should dictate the foil. That is, the faster the bumps, the smaller / more HA the foil you will want to use. Eventually. Because it doesn't matter if you can or can't match the speed of bumps if you can't paddle up the foil. After a 1700 sqcm foil I tried to jump to the art pro 1201 at 1300. Way too big of a jump for me. Went back to the hps 1050 at 1500, which is relatively low aspect, but one I can actually count on to paddle up. I love the 1050 and have been using it for months now. Not in a rush to explore the 1201. Downsize slowly and with caution, and don't fear low aspect, because they're turnier and slower can be an asset. AR 8 is great, AR 7 is heaven 🤣
Yes for bigger sizes, like more than 1300cm2 it's better to keep the aspect ratio lower, like around 8. High aspect is nice on smaller foils because they will still turn nicely, but a big foil with a high aspect ratio is only ideal for flat water pumping.
@@DonAlderman You can always try should have lift in it for sure. It is not as ideal as the new HA wings as things have changed and HA is the direction everyone is going.
i used to prone foil everyday in hawaii, now im living in miami and i need a dw sup board. wheres the best deal in south Florida?! boards are so expensive!
Gwen, “it’s always good to have a humbling experience.”
With that criteria, I am winning!!! 😂
You are crushing it Cindi!
These kind of videos (also the one from guadalupe) are one of the best in my opinion. Seeing pro-level guys like Damo struggling makes me be more patient and keep motivation high. It's easy to just come to youtube once you are nailing it and show how good you are. Thanks for sharing!
You nailed it. I feel totally the same....
Hey Guys, just got a used KT DFly 8’2, now looking for a foil. Really appreciate all that you guys have shared over this last year. I was so worried that I was going to be too light for it at 160lbs. I just tried a friends 7’6 gong air for flat water start, and although I couldn’t get up I was so happy that my sup downwind and surf sup experience allowed me to just paddle and not fall.
Believe!!! Work!!! Time!!! Always positive!!!!!! Thanks for the great tips!!!
Thanks Rick! And congrats on your first flight wing foiling! 👏🙌
Gwen, thanks the awesome lesson and tips.
As usual, really nice video. I think I finally see the light, I’ve never experienced something that humbling 😆 it feels good once it clicks. Happy to be in the beginning of this amazing journey!
I have a tip I learned in Mexico this winter wing foiling in the salt and waves for the first time: I usually wear polarized glasses on the water which takes the glare off the water, BUT it also makes it harder to see the surface of the waves and gauge height board off the water and see wave faces.. Took them off and it made a big difference reading the water. I stopped breaching as much mainly but also was able to find and stay on the best parts of the wave..
Thank you for sharing.
Those tips are all spot on! I always find it was easier to paddle out until you see the bumps actually going downwind, then keep going for another minute or two. It's typically about 1km offshore. And as you say, don't afraid of volume and length, my board is 1.45x my weight and I'd consider myself an advanced+ paddler.
Thanks Matt! 🙏🙌
Wow! I've watched a lot of downwind foiling videos from Hawaii, Hood River, and similar places. But watching you guys downwind in my home waters is really eye opening to the possibilities.
Yes Florida has a growing downwind community, conditions are honestly very fun!
@@DamienLeroyTH-camprivate lessons ? Cheers
@@koejoe We sure do! Shoot us an email at info@wingfoilprocenter.com
Great timing, guys! I was seeking motivation to get out and enjoy the struggle again today. 👊🏽
You got this!
Great advice and thanks again guys! 🙌🙌
Thanks Travis! 🙏🙌
Great comedy team! No seriously, you guys are great together. Love the longer boards. At it 6 months and still haven’t flown. A visit to Jeremy in Maui late month. Can’t wait to fly.
Thank you we appreciate you!
Nice .. The experiences you have struggling help me a lot .. went back to your downwind 360 video these days .. same thing .. your struggles help me to understand.
Thank you for the kind words! We appreciate you!
Great advice yes the challenge, struggle, and obstacles make it that much better when you get it. I know I need a larger volume board. It's always great just to go out and I feel I will keep learning it's baby steps
Thank you we appreciate you!
I needed to hear this.
Yea buddy the struggle is real!
Hi ! Thank you for sharing all these videos! Great!!!!
Question : would it be interesting using stoke assist or foildrive assist to shorten progression?
Thank you!!!!!!
Many reasons to paddle further out for sure! Paddling out farther as a beginner helps you get a better angle with the bumps, and also allows you more time to struggle to get up which usually you driving in loosing ground
before getting up and cutting out and when you do get up you will still be in better bumps that are more aligned with the run, as you get in closer usually the bumps wrap into shore marking it even harder.
Thank you Patrick for sharing your knowledge!
Great vid ,spot on at least you guys have the guts to tell the hole truth!!
I struggled ,tested gear invested ….but nothing worked …..
I am 57 years old I can take off almost at anything except flat water that I never tried and never will
My best score is 700 meters ride …….
All these that you describe in this vid comes to a very short description……
You have to be young and very very fit !
That’s all I quit some time ago for me there is no meaning to do a 4 km run with 15 take offs and definitely I have no time and will to train and get fiscally to what it takes to achieve this 😢
I admire and envy youngsters that can do it but for most off as mare mortals that live in the real world and came to an age it is an illusion……
Thank you for sharing!
Wind chop, Ground swell. Big rollers. I often get crisscross bumps and try to wing surf down them. But please explain the different type of waves.
Amazing. Just did a practice run and have to acknowledge that connecting bumps is very tricky. You can see the video of me failing.
We all just have to get right back up and keep on trying! :)
Great video again guys. I am thinking about getting a DW board for Light Wind Winging and SUP wave surfing. Not sure if I want to do the full Downwinder yet. Not sure what size board to go with. I weigh 190 with my wetsuit. Was thinking in the 120 L range? I really like the Starboard Ace (7'4 120 L 21 1/2 wideI have been foiling for a good 4 years and used to SUP alot. What do you guys think?
Reach out to us here and we will help you pick the right setup: wingfoilprocenter.com
Nice video!
You talk about using big foils, but the Razor Pro 975 isn’t that big if you compare with what alot of people are recommending for DW beginners, e.g. Axis ART PRO 1201 or 1401. That makes me consider the new Leviathan Pro at ~ 1260mm width and 13 AR (but still 17mm thick). What do you think?
The Razor 980 and 975 have a better low end than most 1300 cm2 out there, that's why it works so well for downwinding while being super turny/playful because of its size. Yes the Leviathan Pro 1160 and 1260 should be pretty good for downwinding too! We will have them at wingfoilprocenter.com as soon as they come out!
👍🍺
Great tips. Be calm, chase behind
the bigger bumps, slow is fast, speed is out to sea and riding in to shore slower. I disagree about foils, foils do matter! And if you can’t stand on your board, you ain’t foiling 🤣🤙🏻
Thank you for sharing!
Damo: I tried a lot of different ones - I'm still struggling
Gwen: None of them work /s
I felt that soo much 🤣🤣🤣🤣
:)
This is helpful I too like the challenge and got a dw but I've only got a standard sup Surf paddle, is anyone making it with a standard paddle or do I really need one of those whopper paddles ?
I use the regular paddle, (Damo) but as everything goes things get better and more specific for what application you are doing. The whopper paddles are better though.
If you have enough buy a fd gen2 put it on your dw board, ride and learn to read ocean. After if you very fit sell the fd and use a paddle 😜
Is the HA ratio important? Does a 1100 or 1400 ( in my case seven seas of f one) with HA ratio of 8 work? Or is HA 10 with 1600 or 1900 better (e.G. f one jam)? Thanks!
The speed of the bumps THEORETICALLY should dictate the foil. That is, the faster the bumps, the smaller / more HA the foil you will want to use. Eventually. Because it doesn't matter if you can or can't match the speed of bumps if you can't paddle up the foil. After a 1700 sqcm foil I tried to jump to the art pro 1201 at 1300. Way too big of a jump for me. Went back to the hps 1050 at 1500, which is relatively low aspect, but one I can actually count on to paddle up. I love the 1050 and have been using it for months now. Not in a rush to explore the 1201. Downsize slowly and with caution, and don't fear low aspect, because they're turnier and slower can be an asset. AR 8 is great, AR 7 is heaven 🤣
Yes for bigger sizes, like more than 1300cm2 it's better to keep the aspect ratio lower, like around 8. High aspect is nice on smaller foils because they will still turn nicely, but a big foil with a high aspect ratio is only ideal for flat water pumping.
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam Thanks for a great video. Just learning and using my old big Armstrong CF 2050. Do you think that’s ok to begin with.
@@DonAlderman You can always try should have lift in it for sure. It is not as ideal as the new HA wings as things have changed and HA is the direction everyone is going.
@@DamienLeroyTH-cam thank you very much 👍
i used to prone foil everyday in hawaii, now im living in miami and i need a dw sup board. wheres the best deal in south Florida?! boards are so expensive!
Expensive but worth it ;) wingfoilprocenter.com
My question is how do you get out paddel for an hour ?
Usually a 5-10 minute paddle out is enough