Snare Drum Hoops Comparison - Drummer's Review
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- Following our recent video where we looked at our approach to snare drum tuning, in this special video we take a look at how different drum hoops can affect the sound produced from your snare drum. Featuring brass triple flanged, steel triple flanged, die-cast, S-hoops and wooden (walnut) hoops. Filmed at Middle Farm studio, September 2018. For more info, head over to www.drummersreview.com.
Thanks for doing such great and informative videos! It’s a lot of work to do such videos but we all appreciate them.
The tapping of the hoops while disconnected from the drum made me LOL, especially the walnut. You know it's coming and then when you finally hear the dry knock, it's just so satisfying. haha ...I think it's worth noting that the prime benefit of S hoops is that they make sticks last way way longer. To a budget conscious drummer, this can be extremely valuable. ...This was really well done and informative as all your videos are. Fantastic smooth speaking ability! Love it.
Yeah, sounds like a robot giving a sales pitch.
Read your comment just as I reached the section. “CLUNK”.
The S Hoop has more value then that . That's just a added benefit.🥁
changing both top and bottom hoops of my brass snare from triple flange to Die Cast made a huge positive difference. Now i get the complex harmonics and resonance still, but more beef, attack and control, and I have no need anymore for any muffling. I haven't found a single comparison of hoops on toms on youtube. Would love to hear one! Thanks for your videos guys!
Never thought I would look forward to taking drum advice from a bassist, but this Nolly dude is bang on!
Another great video Nolly! I miss you on the channel as your reviews were/are the best in TH-cam drummerland. To the point of the video, I'll stick with my steel triple flange hoops on my snare. Very informative video and interesting comparisons.
Wow I never thought that the hoops made that much of a difference in sound quality! I always looked at kits with die cast hoops as higher end, but I think I like s hoops now!
These are the best reviews around! Excellent comparison. Drumeo put out a snare drum comparison video yesterday and they all had different tunings and heads. While they noted this as a disclaimer it was a useless video and typical of most reviews. Your attention to detail and consistency is refreshing! Keep up the good work!
Josh Lentz many thanks. We really try to put forward a concise and easily relatable platform, so we are glad you find DR helpful. Best wishes, DR
This really was incredibly helpful to hear the distinctive drum sound reflecting the five different hoops played in a 'continuous' edited sound. It was also helpful to hear the ring out from each type of hoop as the drummer suspended them in turn on his finger rather like a chime or gong. The surprise for me was the very distinctive sound of the wood hoop. These sound differences will replicate across different types of drums and drum sizes of course, (ie hanging tom Vs floor tom) and it would be terrific to hear a different review focused on those sound comparisons.
I put an S-Hoop on a 1960s 6-lug 5x14 Ludwig Pioneer and it now plays like an 8-Lug Jazz Festival. Provided the extra stiffness associated with going from 6 to 8 lugs without the choking effect of a die cast. And 14" 6-lug die cast hoops are rare to find but it's easy to find a 6-lug 14" S-Hoop.
Your Channel Is Awesome, With An Exceptional Musician Like Nolly On Your Side, I Guess This Is No Surprise, this kind of success. Mentioning Both Good & Bad Aspects Of A Product Is So Exiting. Honesty Is The Key!
+Drummer's Review
👍👍 Another FANTASTIC comparison, gentlemen! This is the type of stuff that is so time consuming for us to do on our own *properly* so THANK YOU so much for this excellent demo and your fantastic audio production.
And D@mn!!!, mad props to Nick, ONCE AGAIN! He's an amazingly CONSISTENT player! 👍👍 Is he part ROBOT ?!?! Haha!
And great job on keeping the drum PERFECTLY aligned in the video from shot to shot between hoop changes! You must have used laser beams, haha.
You guys are the ABSOLUTE BEST drum review & demonstration channel on TH-cam!!! Thanks for that x1000!
The die cast sounds so focused and powerful. It brings out the weight of the sustain, the smack on the attack, and also allows the snare to have such a clear tone in the ring. It would probably need some dampening, but otherwise it's exactly what a snare should sound like to me.
I think the steel triple-flanged is my favorite and most versatile, but I love the walnut as well and the warmth of its sound, but I think it's more musically situationally, and also makes rim-clicks and rimshots sounds substantially different, and makes the latter more difficult to reliably perform. Speaking of rimshots (not rim-clicks), that could be a useful addition to snare-related reviews in the future. :) It's a very important technique in many different musical situations.
Exactly. When playing heavier types of music, rimshots make up about 90% of my hits on the snare, so I really think they are a must for any review.
One of the best gear reviews I've ever seen. Thank you!
To my ear, these were from open and armonic, to focused and percussive, with some exception, so use them as a tool to get the sound you are looking for when recording, but I probably wouldn't notice any difference in a mix or live due to all the other noise, although some hoops may help to cut through. Just my 2 cents.
I love the aesthetics of the die cast.
I like all of the different sounds, but I was surprised at how much I like the wood hoop!!!
They feel great in your hands too. They make the drum resonate like free floating pearl hoops without all the hassle of them breaking.
Love my S hoops on toms. I have not tried them on a snare yet.
WOW. That rimshot on the walnut rim.
The question is: how long would it last under repeated stress?
Where can I get the same hoop and how much would it cost to replace?
After the snare drum is finger tight top and bottom,approximately how many half turns with the key top and bottom.Please respond,a lot of drummers would like to know this.I can't believe that drum companies don't go more in depth on this most important subject. It's like it's this BIG SECRET!!! You guys always knock it out of the park with your tunning.The majority of drummers don't know how to tune drums. They spend a lot of money on these instruments and then turn around and spend even more on drum heads looking for that perfect sound.You guys have a way of making a 300.00 dollar snare sound as good as a 1000.00 snare.please share your tunning skills.I think you would be surprised how many people you could help. Thanks,again.
Nolly uses a pitch pipe for reference. On a regular 14x5" snare tune the reso head to an A4 and the batter to anything between C4 (low) and F4 (very high) to get a similar sounding result.
Here you go David th-cam.com/video/lPAcojMuouI/w-d-xo.html
After a coma it has to be a space
Weird thing about my s-hoop is that when I tapped it like in the video it had sustain like the steel triple flange. It sounded very different than the one in this video.
Interesting.
Any update on this matter as for a reason why?
I hate that I love the s hoop more than the die cast since I just paid a lot of money for die casts
djentlover Yeah....but you can’t go wrong with diecast hoops. They’re the most consistent when tuning and have the best feel. I just bought a Tama SLP Bubinga snare for $297. It has triple flanged hoops. So I had to buy a set of diecast hoops. They cost me $140. So now that snare I got such a great deal on is up to $437. I feel your pain. I can tolerate triple flanged or s type hoops on Metal snares. But on wood snare I got to have diecast.
yes...s hoop got me as well...live n learn? in the end, it is micro difference and unless you are recording, you can live with it, BUT...you now got something to buy and look forward towards...
+ Diecast looks 10 times better and make the drum 5 times heavier :D
Diecast is the best. Cuts the mix the best wity rim shots, holds tuning the best and the added weight helps keep ringing overtones to a minimum. You made the right choice
I put S hoops on a custom drum of mine since I was somewhat torn between new triple flange or die cast. I've had both on the drum with good results but was a bit intrigued by some descriptions of the S hoop as delivering the best of both worlds. I wasn't disappointed. Overall yes, they do sound and feel in between the TF and DC. The rim shot and cross stick are a tad more pronounced and focused. The only thing I didn't care for was playing just the rim itself as it seemed rather pingy which, after hearing how dead they were off the drum in this video, kind of surprised me. They don't have that nice fat stick to rim tone that die cast has. When playing something like a light second-line rim thing or rockabilly rim shuffle it just sounds kind of blah...but hearing it back on a recording I didn't notice it so much and it didn't annoy me like it did sitting right above it. But all in all, I'm pretty happy with the S hoops.
I would like to have seen the Gretsch 302 (3.0 mm double flange) "stick choppers" included in this review.
I'd like to see a video comparing single flange and tripple flange hoops. Also a video comparing different types of tripple flange hoops and another trying different types if diecast hoops. I know my Tama diecast hoops sound very different when hit compared to my Pearl diecast hoops.
I find ure videos informative and excellent - very worthwhile watching
Thank you very much
So what I'm hearing is unless you aim for a completely open sound, the type of hoop does not matter?
I think the drum used in the review sounds best with brass triple flange. It just brings out more or the drum's color without any hideous frequencies coming with it. Generally I suggest converting to die cast because of crazy tuning slip
Heck, Nolly describes everything better than any drummer I personally know and he's a bassist, for god's sake!
Came here thinking that brass hoop would be my favourite. But the s hoop stole the show for me
So helpful! Thank you and keep up the good work!
4:17 1,5 mm, 1,6 mm or 2,3 mm?
Next time you can try the Soundhoops 😉
The s hoop and the steel triple flange sound really good. Die cast sounds quite dull.
Hi guys, if anyone could answer me this? Would a 1.6mm hoop on a cast aluminium open up the sound even more?
Yes
Excellent video!
What's going on with your can??
I apologize for being so in the dark about this, but where do you buy different hoops for drums?
Drum Factory Direct.
That S Hoop rings a hell of alot more ...then this video shows.🥁
a Remo coated ambassador is 10 mils thick. triple flanged hoops are not less than half the thickness of a drum head. say millimeter.
Excellent video! Found this through the Downbeat Podcast! #grustle
#grustle
So the difference is minimal basically
walnut or s-hoop for me
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
The Diecast wins.
Thanks for proving to me how little real-world sonic difference this actually makes.... LOL. The biggest factor with hoops is tuning stability and saving your sticks. Even the rim click difference is extremely subtle. Sure as heck ain't worth the premium for die-cast or wood hoops when S-hoops cost $18.95. Probably no real reason to replace your stock hoops if you got a decent snare. I really think there's a HUGE placebo effect in all this. People see those walnut hoops and immediately the brain thinks, "warm!"
Want to actually make your drum sound noticeably better? Two words -- "heads" and "tuning."
All metall hoops... *ding* walnut.... *bok...* xD
No 1.6 Double Flange? Come on man! Stopped watching immediately.
Nolly? Bassist of Periphery?
Den Svarte Metallkatten he was
I clicked to watch this video cuz I noticed that lol
That Walnut wood hoop is the best hands down!!!!
Another superb & useful review from the team, however, in this comparison, a more noticeable distinction between the hoop forms would have been apparent if both batter & resonant side hoops had been changed, not just the batter head side. Although the batter head hoop is the more influential of the two, the change in mass & alignment of overtones afforded by both hoops being applied would have offered a more complete / representative result.
Hi @Guru Drums, thanks for your observation! We do intend to cover this in a further video (part 2 of this one if you like) where we swap both hoops to see what further change this has, but initially we thought we'd start with just swapping out the batter side as we thought this is probably the most common thing that drummers would do first!
Why did I not think you'd have that covered ;) The differences will not be huge, & also vary from drum to drum, but it is a worthwhile completion of the comparison.
Hi Guru Drums, we did that a while ago: th-cam.com/video/s80yHaKQqgw/w-d-xo.html It's much more work to change both hoops and tune them afterwards. But you'll hear the difference. Chris
time to work for a drum company...that much attention to detail get bypassed from most
Yeah I mean, incredibly consistent review shots. Just best review channel in whole YT. The consistency of the tuning, playing, etc. makes really easy to notice the nuances. Thank you.
Ángel Rodríguez many thanks for your kind words. Really glad it proves useful to you. Best wishes, DR
Terrific comparison fellas. As the owner of a brass TKO, this was especially useful for me. One of the best metal drums on the planet IMO.
They all sound the same to me.
0:02/1:38/1:44/3:51 Brass Triple--Flange
0:12/1:47/4:08 S-Hoop
0:21/1:55/4:17 Steel Triple Flange
0:30/2:04/4:29 Die-Cast
0:39/2:12/4:41 Walnut
Great comparison! Please do a toms-and-snare comparison some time. Like a maple kit with 10-12-16 toms, and compare hoops: 2.3 steel, die-cast zinc, Yamaha die-cast alu, and wood hoops.
This such a great and informative review! I have been wondering if I should give die-cast hoops a shot on my 8" deep snare with a little too much overtones - the answer is yes :)
Comparing on a wooden drum can also be nice, I once heard a wooden drum sound like it was metal.
Great Great video! Hope you could have made a video with a woodsnare😀
man I really like the sound of that walnut it has a nice snap
Always your reviews are to the point and thorough. Very much appreciated.
But you did not use both hoops that make the real difference in sound. Correction for you, your personal development, bussiness, etc.
Throw in the new 1.6 mm Pearl fat tone double flange. Dying to try them, and no flange hoops
For me, the S-hoops were more open than the steel or brass and gave the drum a pleasant ring if not heavier with the overtones. My ears must be wired much different than this guy’s.
Old Man Misanthrope Likewise. To me it sounded too ‘ringy’ with the overtones. I preferred the die-cast and wood hoops.
What is that drum set on the righthand side up the back? They appear to have integrated lugs
I only wish you had included simple flange / no flange hoops as well.
I don't know why they hate to cleaning
hoops are too dusty even it has been tuned this time
Excelente, muchas gracias!!!
I liked the brass the most. I didn't like the diecast or S hoops much.
Too much space before I.
Die Cast = Low end
Do the S-hoops cover the bearing edge completely?
The upper flange on an S Hoop curves downward at a 45ish degree angle and yes it goes well past the bearing edge. For a snare the Tama Sound Arc Hoop is a much better option.
How come?
Thank you so much for the video
Steel triple flange
Triangle anyone?! lol Thank you the amazing VIDEO REVIEWS!
I love the walnut!
S-hoops can also protect bearing edges. That's pretty much the only reason I have them; not because of the sound.
Wonderful !!!!!
I love how my S-hoops sound but one thing I didn't realize until I brought my snare to a gig is that it's very hard to snap a clip-on mic to it due to the wide inward flange. It's possible but after 3 or more backbeats then it falls off.
I just ordered a snare that comes with S-hoops, did you end up moving to a mic stand for snare or did you find a different clip that works better?
@@bikefreak77 oh boi I already switched to diecast and then next month I'm ordering a Tama with triple flange to replace my main snare. Yeah you could try and find a clip that snaps more to your S-hoops but personally I wont risk it. Much safer to use mic stands. If your gigging with it just by a light stand and you should be good.
@@eucabusas thanks for the response, I appreciate it. My gigs lately have been shared kits between two bands (other than snare and cymbals) and the venue provides the mics/clips. As you suggested it's probably easier if I show up with a stand or maybe pick up a die cast or sonic saver hoop (one of my other snares is a Black Panther) where the clips will work properly.
What about hoop differences on Reso side only? Like wood bottom diecast top etc.
A much bigger project but I’d love to hear this same comparison for toms. I have a Pearl kit that came fitted with their die-cast Masterhoops. Lots to like about the drums but I have never quite fallen in love with how they sound, but importantly also feel to play. All my previous kits over the past 30 years have had triple-flanged hoops, so I’m really wondering if the hoops are the culprit and if swapping to Pearl’s triple flanged Superhoops might be positively transformative. But it’s a costly experiment so I’m constantly looking for insights into how much of an impact on sound swapping just the hoops might have.
Amazing video! Thank you!
Nive video! What do you think about my comparison between triple flange, die-cast and True Resonance hoops?
Excellent comparisons and the main reason I’ve subscribed.
I’ve learned that wood hoops only seem to sound good on wood shells, but metal hoops seem to sound great on all materials.
Truly the mystery.
I’m a die cast player myself as I love the “pop” it gives. I only use them on wood shelled snares as die cast on brass or steel will bust an eardrum. 😂
Great video, sir!
Extremely informative and soo well done! Heard about this video from the Downbeat Podcast with Craig Reynolds.
Keep killing it! ✊🏼
Should have tested stick chopper hoops.
2:22 😂😂😂 when he added the ghost note I started bopping my head like shit
Excellent comparison, thank you!
Do the same comparison with a wood shell snare.
which is the lightest hoop?
Very useful! Great review!! 👍🏼
this walnut groove
huh? s-hoop had longest sustain for me, yet he says it was considerably shorter than others.
Savantjazzcollective It’s the shortest and sounds muted and constricted. Listen on a quality device with good headphones and you’ll hear it.
does the hoops only affect the rimshots or can it open up the snare drum
the hoops affect overtones
Huh I like the S hoop the most and until now I didn’t know about them at all. Second I liked the die cast then the brass triple flanged, the wood hoop and last the steel triple flanged. The S hoop also sounded brighter to me which I like. Cool review, thanks!
god damn i love the walnut hoops, but they would get chewed up by all my rim shots
Just keep moving them around. You got 9 different places to wear out.
Where can you get these walnut hoops from? they are fantastic!
Find a custom drum builder. Tama makes Maple wood hoops. Not any noticeable sound.
@@Assimilator702 I was hoping for an off the rack solution for the walnut, maple drum hoops are easy to find. Tnx anyway
@@amirbendayan376 No one makes walnut hoops except for custom builders. You could buy a set of Maple hoops and stain them dark brown if that’s your thing. There won’t be an audible difference between maple and walnut. Durability would be the only factor as walnut might be a touch more dense than maple. However Yamaha used Maple for their first wood hoops back in the the 90’s. Tama added them to their catalog. Good enough for me. You could make them yourself if you’re semi proficient at woodworking. Not that difficult with the right tools. Or a lot of patience and a few Japanese pulll saws.
@@Assimilator702 I'll give the Tama ones a try see how it feels, thanks.
I thought the brass had more high overtones, while the S-hoop had more mid overtones. The steel triple-flanged sounded slightly darker than the other two, but was very close to the S-hoop.
The die-cast sounded focused, but darker and a little dull due to the reduced overtone content. Same with wood, but there was a beefiness to the rim-shots that the metal hoops didn't have.
All of which makes me wonder, what do die-cast brass hoops sound like? Do they have the stronger rim-shot and cross-stick sound of die-cast, but with a more open sound? I'd like to get my hands on black nickel plated brass die-cast hoops, but I don't think anyone makes them.
The only diecast hoops other than the standard Zinc alloy that Tama and most manufacturers use are the Aluminum diecast hoops from Yamaha. I believe Yamaha has all their diecast hoops made from aluminum and they are considerably more expensive than a standard Zinc diecast hoop. Besides that there are cast Bronze or “Bell Brass” diecast hoops. Those run about $250 each. There are a few botique drum companies that make these. Well worth it if you have a high end snare like a Bell Brass.
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