Just putting this out there, there are three schools in the triwizard tournament from three different countries...who's to say the cup was even made by someone in Britain?
Exactly, since it has runes i would say it was made in germany or surroundings wich means Durmstrang. If it had celtic knots most definitely it would be british.
What if it was agreed that nobody with any bias could craft the goblet, therefore meaning that no school could be accused of cheating. I dont know who though, just a theory.
Your comparison of the Goblet to the Sorting Hat immediately made me think you might take the direction that the Heads of the participating schools might have pooled their magic together to create it much the same way Hogwart's founders did for the hat. I was a little surprised the possibility wasn't mentioned or looked into.
@Tesla-Effect Or maybe, just MAYBE he didnt have enough evidwnce about the 13th century headmasters of beauxbatons and durmstang, but noo he did it for the 10 minute mark. Seriously dude, think before saying anything
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Wait wait wait wait... What if Barty Crouch Junior's "powerful confundus charm" didn't actually work. What if the creator of the goblet, a Potter, (if this theory is correct) enchanted the pot to give an edge to any Potter who put their name in.
If you're a Magizoologist, then you would not live at home. You would travel around in search of magical creatures. But I still agree with you!!!! I just like playing Devil's Advocate
Or somebody who works with dragons (Weasley). There are also potions makers who I'm sure travel for rare ingredients, book writers (Lockhart who travelled to hear peoples stories and erase their memories of them). etc etc
Merlin is much older than that. But since we actually don't know when the Goblet was created and at worse we know wizards can live quite old, to me it's more logical that Merlin is the creator, indeed. When Seamus started talking about the Goblet, its creation, and the time it was made, Merlin is actually the first wizard name that came to my mind.
You gotta keep in mind that Marilyn according to Common mythology lived to be several hundreds of years old so it's highly possible that he did create the goblet. Even though the four Founders were said to be the best wizards since Merlin so grain of salt
giRo The best wizards since Merlin could easily mean they were almost as strong as Merlin he was still alive but by since merlin might of meant that Merlin was the strongest and they were the other four.
everytime i see seamus’ name on the comment i kept thinking of seamus finnigan and wondering why hes so relevant but then i keep forgetting that im in seamus gorman’s video😂
Hmmm. Well, it certainly could have been Iolanthe Potter, but there were certainly other wizards alive at the time whose names have been forgotten by history. It would be like someone 700 years from now saying that Dumbledore must have created the Marauder's Map because he was a really powerful wizard and at the school at the time of its creation. History probably won't remember the actual names of Moony, Prongs, Padfoot and Wormtail, except in EXTREMELY old books. It might not even remember them there, considering that the Marauder's Map is an object that only a select few even know about. Therefore, it would be easy in 700-800 years to point at a famous wizard who HAPPENED to be around at the time, like Dumbledore or Harry or even old Tom Riddle himself, and say "It's from around the time such-and-such was there, so they must have made it." I understand that a well-known historical object such as the GOBLETOFIYAH is vastly different from something as recent and secretive as the Marauder's Map, but the logic is still sound: if you didn't know who made it, you could claim ANY powerful wizard of the time did so. I like how much research you put into your theories, but I think this one is just too vague to be conclusive. Honestly, even if you're right, the subject matter is so shrouded in mystery that Rowling could change her mind on it at any time and attach ANY name to it. Today, her official notes might say that Iolanthe Potter created it (making you absolutely correct), but she could switch it at any time before she makes it canon by posting it, and no one would know the difference (making you dead wrong). Good video, though. I like how much frantic energy you have for someone so incredibly exhausted. ;)
Except JKR likes to link everything together 1000 times over. And Harry's ancestor creating the thing that effectively puts him into mortal danger and that enables her cousin's descendant to resurrect, is exactly the wicked thing that she would do! And as to your Marauders' Map point: You're talking about 4 crucial figures in 2 wizarding wars. And then their son (of course Harry had 4 dads) used it multiple times to overthrow the Dark Lord the second time around. Besides, you're talking about 4 incredibly powerful students here, and if only they had lived to reach Dumbledore's age, they would have reached similar levels of respect and mystique, I'm sure. This way, they'll always be famous as heros who died defending what is right. (Glossing over Wormy because that's not the point here)
SawmillTurtle my thoughts exactly, and really the only reason we know the name of Iolanthe is because she’s the ancestor of Harry Potter. We don’t know that she’s a powerful witch, I can follow the logic train to her being a teacher at hogwarts, that was a nice bit of conjecture. But think about all the intergovernmental efforts that went into the 1994 cup. With so many other qualified people (headmasters, or heads of state) why would a plain teacher be the create the cup? You can’t come back with, well maybe she was the headmistress, but that’s a stretch. If Rowling went through the effort to give us this name, it’s not hard to assume she’d use another 20-30 characters to say she held the prestigious position of headmistress. All in all, I love Seamus’s work, and I loved his process in getting to his conclusion...just thought the payoff fell a bit short this time.
It is NOT the same as comparing it to the marauders map. The map was created in secret and is known by a very small amount of people. The goblet was created for a nationwide event that spanned centuries and thousands upon thousands of viewers. The craftsmen would’ve been held in high regard and not have been a secret who made it. The evidence all links together.
@@joeyflint7232 I actually said that very thing. Second to last paragraph: "I understand that a well-known historical object such as the GOBLETOFIYAH is vastly different from something as recent and secretive as the Marauder's Map, but the logic is still sound: if you didn't know who made it, you could claim ANY powerful wizard of the time did so." Glad we agree on that.
@@joeyflint7232 But in the end, it's the same: 700 years later, we don't know who created the Goblet. And in 700 years, the ones who'll put their hands on the Map won't know who made it (unless Harry and his descendants make sure to tell the story of the four friends when giving the Map.) And if you don't know the creator of the item for sure, you can theorize than any powerful enough wizard (or wizards) of that time created it. Iolanthe making it is a fun theory, but there's absolutely nothing to back it up. Seamus is theorizing that she is powerful enough to do it, that she'd be working at Hogwarts and that she'd be asked to create it, but there's not really any evidences to those... Nothing even close. Still interesting, but really nothing to back it up.
Well, we DO know some facts about him... He was a Slytherin (source - Pottermore), and you know, I did some research, and Merlin the Wizard was born in about the year of 540, BUT since he's an extraordinary and a powerful wizard, Merlin's known to have lived about 440-460 years old, and that would mean he would've died in about the year of 980-1000. So techincally, he could not have made the Goblet of Fire, because like Sheamus said, it was made in about 1230-1250, and by then, Merlin was already dead.
Goblet of fire is better. Same can be said about the 7th book being names harry potter and voldemort of harry potter and the horcruxes Yes the goblet wasn’t mentioned but it the was the core reason for everything to begin.
@@iikaedenii That's probably another reason why people shouldn't make too much fuss about changes they made in the films (like when Dumbledore asked Harry about putting his name in the Goblet of Fire!) - JK Rowling herself made quite a few changes from how the story was originally going to go when writing the books!
He could work in St Mungo’s, work in shops or bars in diagon alley or hogsmeade, or work in the Daily Prophet. Also I think when she said ‘all the way in London’, she was talking about Potter descendants who had high positions in the ministry. Also I don’t think the headmasters/headmistresses at Beuxbatons and Durmstrang would want a teacher from Hogwarts to insert the key object into the tournament. They would probably want an independent wizard/witch
Max Hyuga argh people are gonna say this forever...must be annoying when you’ve made a whole video and this is all someone comments, he said he doesn’t like it anymore, time to let go
That’s exactly the point he’s making. If it had been built for the tournament of 1994 it would have the age line built in. Since it doesn’t it must be older than the last tournament.
“Name a wizard of job that would keep you away from London and away from home”. Shop owner, curse breaker, magizoologist, healer, anything related to herbology or potions, which would most likely be a family owned business, musician, journalist, and anything else that requires travel
Ram Helou It’s cause you need a lot of willpower to apparate, even if someone else is doing the work, a baby wouldn’t be able to keep itself together, and would probably splinch itself ten times over. That is why she couldn’t apostate with Harry, as it would probably kill Harry anyways.
Just a guess but I'd say because of how Dumbledore says in Half Blood Prince that most wizarding homes have anti-apparition spells (jynx?) to prevent unwanted guests appearing in their homes.
@@purrito3892 Actually, you do need a wand to Apparate. It specifically says in the Deathly Hallows, "Ron was trying to Apparate without a wand." Now, Ron was never the best at apparating, but if it had nothing to do with a wand, why would Rowling include that? (Just to clarify, Ron is trying to Apparate in the basement of Malfoy Manor, just in case you wanted to know)
Would love to see that "theory within the theory" expanded upon, linking all the Tales of Beedle the Bard to the Potters (and maybe the Peveril's too?) sounds like a fun thing to do!
That's really nice research into the lore! However the key argument this theory stands on is that the cup wasn't made specifically for the tournament otherwise they'd have added an age restriction. BUTTT we know the age restriction was added as a further precaution only in the tournament that Harry participated in. So I think it far more likely that the three schools, wanting to start up this tournament got together and put there minds into making the goblet.
This is incredible - made from a dead end and a bare scattering of information, into a full 12 minute theory, and a theory inside a theory! Very very well done
Great video but I just don’t like how a “Potter” made the Goblet of Fire. The reason being it just now it feels as if everyone is related to the potter family and there some superior family lol
I mean this is a great theory but it feels like you’re reaching when a really simple answer would be right under your nose. The three headmasters of the schools at the time enchanted the cup to choose the witch or wizard who best exemplifies what they value from a participant. For example durmstrang values the brute talent and bravery aka victor krum. The headmasters would have obviously been very talented witches or wizards. But not insanely talented which is why things like the age line and various tampering were required/occurred
Magizoologist, curse breaker, auror (possibly) just to name a few wizarding world occupations that might cause someone to be away from home for lengthy periods of time other than teaching (and of course there are other occupations like owning a shop in Diagon Alley or Hogsmeade that wouldn't). I believe it's also stated on Pottermore or in one of the Pottermore Presents books that spouses of teachers at Hogwarts generally live in Hogsmeade during the year. I don't disagree that Iolanthe Potter could've created the Goblet of Fire but there are just some small disagreements I've got with your theory lol
11:30 A job at gringotts! Bill Weasley had that job and had to stay in Egypt, *away from his family* This totally makes sense because even if gringotts didn't exist in that time period, there is definitely some sort of wizard bank!
Slightly off-topic. I've been reading Chamber of Secrets lately for the millionth time and I figured something out. So Harry is of course related to Ignotus Peverell. Voldemort is related to Cadmus Peverell. This makes Harry and Voldemort distant cousins. As is established in the books. However, since Voldemort is a descendant of Salazar Slytherin, wouldn't that mean Harry is related to Salazar Slytherin as well? Doesn't this mean that Harry *is* one heir of Salazar Slytherin after all?
Depends on how far back the Peverell line goes it's unlikely but hear me out what if salazar is a descendant of Cadmus that would mean Voldemort could be an heir of Slytherin but Harry not
i actually really like this theory, even though we can’t be sure. The whole theory inside of this theory was really interesting as well, and it makes total sense
wow, sorry, but this is a HELL of a stretch. like i will ALMOST accept the link to the wizard and the hopping pot. i cant say im 100% sold but that is kind hard to contradict so lets play along and yes, there was a potter in 13th century. but... i mean... that is litterally it. thats all you have. is that iolandthe MIGHT have been woking at hogwars, where there is like 20 staff at any given time.because the only jobs we know about (other than the many you missed like reporter, magical doctors,writers and reserachers, store owners, bar keep, assumable some moer experemental roles like spell or potion creation and more) from a series of books that doesnt really explore the world that much, there are only 3 places to work. so IF that is right, than she was at hogwarts during the first triwizard cup that MIGHT have been where the goblet was made, so she might have made it because she happened to be around... maybe PLUS this is all assuming the goblet of fire was made on day 1. maybe the first 10 or so the schools just picke a champion, all we know is the goblet had been around for a considerable time, but 100 years before the tourny was abolished is a considerable time using this logic, maybe a malfoy or black made it.or one of the many wizards that died out
Indeed, the Goblet could be younger (created later, to choose the participants more objectively) but it could have also been made way before, for something completely irrevelant to the Tournament. This theory is interesting because the Goblet is a really mysterious artifact, but Seamus has absolutely zero evidences for it, sadly. It's wishes, not a theory.
the age line was done by Dumbledore when the age restriction for the tournament was implemented in 1994 after years and years of not having the Triwizard Tournament, originally anybody could join the tournament which is why it wouldn't have been there originally
If you have ever wondered whats in Seamus's Intro it's, him at the start i think falling in to the lamp from Pixar,then it's Buz Lightyear,a hammer maybe of Thor or something,Dory,Woody,A lightsaber,A pencil,A wand (probably Harry's) ,Boo,A Severus Snape looking thing,Harry Potter's glasses,Captain America shield, Black Lighting bolt and lastly Darla from Finding Nemo
Hey, i have a theory, i'm sure i came up with it but since there are heaps of people in the world, at least one of them had probably thought of this, but here it is: The grim is a spectral dog which haunts the churchyards. "The giant, spectral dog that haunts churchyards!......" - Professor trewlawny. harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Grim , also form the POA. Anyway, the grim is a dog which haunts the churchyards, as i said earlier. In the mideavial times people would bury a dog first in a new graveyard/churchyard/whatever because the first person or animal buried in a new graveyard would guide the others to the afterlife. They buried a dog first because they wanted their loved ones to go to the afterlife instead of guiding the others, stuck in the graveyard. Dumbledore, was the first buried at hogwarts. Now i know you're thinking that that wasn't a graveyard, and you're right, it wasn't. What if they buried the others who died in the battle of hogwarts there? Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i couldn't find information anywhere where they were buried, so what if they were buried there at hogwarts? That would make dumbledore the one that would guide the others to the afterlife thing. When hary had 'died' he was in the Limbo. harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Limbo "Limbo is a state of being that exists between life and death. Limbo comes to being inside a person's mind making it both real and unreal." Dumbledore was there, and he was with Harry, helping him make a choice whether to go on or stay. Harry obviously chose to return, but as i previosuly stated, Dumbledore was there helping him choose whether to move on or not and dumbledore had died. Harry Potter: "Tell me one last thing. Is this real? Or has this been happening inside my head?"" Albus Dumbledore: "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?" If Dumbledore was dead wouldn't he have moved on instead of staying behind? But what if he had no choice because he ahd to stay! Harry even says in the deathly hallows that dumbledore would have moved on you can find the qoute if you want but it's there. Also, in the order of the pheonix, you can find the page and stuff again but after Sirius's death Harry went to Sir Nic and asked if about Sirius and nick told him about this stuff. But yeah that's my theory, that dumbledore was that thing that guided the others to their afterlife thing. You can add on to this and if you wanted to you can make a video about this. Sorry if it isn't easy to understand what i wrote.
Bill and Charlie both worked away from home. I guess taking care of Dragon is probably sth controlled by the Ministry but he never had to come to London, did he? Also, other jobs - besides bank worker or dragon tamer - are shop keeper, inn keeper, joke product creator, fantastic beasts researcher, dark creature killer (was Lockhart sth akin to an auror or independent?), author, journalist, scholar,... Surely at least a few of those are independent from the Ministry.
Seamussss your actually my fav. Love all your videos because they make me laugh and I can see all the effort you put into it. Thank you and carry on the good work 💛❤️
I think that before the triwizard tournament got rebooted,the minimum age requirement was lower whereas in Harry's fourth year the ministry wanted a higher age requirement but possibly due to some of the goblets enchantments age restrictions spells could not be placed upon it hence having to ask dumbledore to draw the age line once at hogwarts(its possible 😛)
Great idea, but I'd like to suggest that Iolanthe had some help from teachers at Beauxbatons and Durmstrang. Maybe like the Sorting Hat, each school had a designated teacher to choose that school's champion, but as time went on they realized they couldn't keep this up forever, so they came together and created the Goblet of Fire to choose for them.
Just putting this out there, there are three schools in the triwizard tournament from three different countries...who's to say the cup was even made by someone in Britain?
Exactly, since it has runes i would say it was made in germany or surroundings wich means Durmstrang. If it had celtic knots most definitely it would be british.
Smart dood
I agree
What if it was agreed that nobody with any bias could craft the goblet, therefore meaning that no school could be accused of cheating. I dont know who though, just a theory.
@@pedrosalles9273 Durmstrang is in Scandinavia, so Norway/Sweden/Finland
Your comparison of the Goblet to the Sorting Hat immediately made me think you might take the direction that the Heads of the participating schools might have pooled their magic together to create it much the same way Hogwart's founders did for the hat.
I was a little surprised the possibility wasn't mentioned or looked into.
They did not live in that time I think
@Tesla-Effect Or maybe, just MAYBE he didnt have enough evidwnce about the 13th century headmasters of beauxbatons and durmstang, but noo he did it for the 10 minute mark.
Seriously dude, think before saying anything
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Yeah we do
There already is a petition.
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I think Dumbledore did just to say *_"harrdidyahpuhyournaminthegoblehahfihah?!"_*
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But that’s non of my business...
Wait wait wait wait... What if Barty Crouch Junior's "powerful confundus charm" didn't actually work. What if the creator of the goblet, a Potter, (if this theory is correct) enchanted the pot to give an edge to any Potter who put their name in.
I like where this is going
Hm.. I like this... I like this alot.
Omg this sounds amazing
Then Cedric wouldn't have been picked...
Edge enough.. to make any Potter who entered their name a FOURTH champion???
If you're a Magizoologist, then you would not live at home. You would travel around in search of magical creatures. But I still agree with you!!!! I just like playing Devil's Advocate
Or somebody who works with dragons (Weasley). There are also potions makers who I'm sure travel for rare ingredients, book writers (Lockhart who travelled to hear peoples stories and erase their memories of them). etc etc
And seamus also didn’t talk about having a shop at hogsmeade or diagon alley
Fred and george started living above their shop too
Except it was a big deal just make all the way to London or them. And they even listed those people cause it was that big of a deal.
Or what if you are a curse breaker for Gringott‘s? Never home either! Though not sure if they’d take women, but if so that would be pretty progressive
or be a curse breaker like Bill Weasley
4:20 Ehhm Cup, 12-13th century:
MERLIN and the Holy Grail...
Yeeh Imma go to sleep now
Merlin is much older than that.
But since we actually don't know when the Goblet was created and at worse we know wizards can live quite old, to me it's more logical that Merlin is the creator, indeed. When Seamus started talking about the Goblet, its creation, and the time it was made, Merlin is actually the first wizard name that came to my mind.
You gotta keep in mind that Marilyn according to Common mythology lived to be several hundreds of years old so it's highly possible that he did create the goblet. Even though the four Founders were said to be the best wizards since Merlin so grain of salt
@@Libellulaire i can relate to that even though (as much as I know) Merlin should indeed have lived around the 12th century
giRo The best wizards since Merlin could easily mean they were almost as strong as Merlin he was still alive but by since merlin might of meant that Merlin was the strongest and they were the other four.
Thank you the whole video I'm just silently screaming MERLIN. YOURE OVERCOMPLICATING IT. ITS MERLIN. MEEEERRRRRRLLLLIIIIIIIIIN. FUCK.
I'll never get enough of Seamus
Me either he is so good
SAMEEEE he is so funny and doesn’t even know. Also I just love all of his content, from Harry Potter to toy story theories and more
everytime i see seamus’ name on the comment i kept thinking of seamus finnigan and wondering why hes so relevant but then i keep forgetting that im in seamus gorman’s video😂
Hmmm. Well, it certainly could have been Iolanthe Potter, but there were certainly other wizards alive at the time whose names have been forgotten by history. It would be like someone 700 years from now saying that Dumbledore must have created the Marauder's Map because he was a really powerful wizard and at the school at the time of its creation. History probably won't remember the actual names of Moony, Prongs, Padfoot and Wormtail, except in EXTREMELY old books. It might not even remember them there, considering that the Marauder's Map is an object that only a select few even know about.
Therefore, it would be easy in 700-800 years to point at a famous wizard who HAPPENED to be around at the time, like Dumbledore or Harry or even old Tom Riddle himself, and say "It's from around the time such-and-such was there, so they must have made it."
I understand that a well-known historical object such as the GOBLETOFIYAH is vastly different from something as recent and secretive as the Marauder's Map, but the logic is still sound: if you didn't know who made it, you could claim ANY powerful wizard of the time did so.
I like how much research you put into your theories, but I think this one is just too vague to be conclusive. Honestly, even if you're right, the subject matter is so shrouded in mystery that Rowling could change her mind on it at any time and attach ANY name to it. Today, her official notes might say that Iolanthe Potter created it (making you absolutely correct), but she could switch it at any time before she makes it canon by posting it, and no one would know the difference (making you dead wrong).
Good video, though. I like how much frantic energy you have for someone so incredibly exhausted. ;)
Except JKR likes to link everything together 1000 times over. And Harry's ancestor creating the thing that effectively puts him into mortal danger and that enables her cousin's descendant to resurrect, is exactly the wicked thing that she would do!
And as to your Marauders' Map point: You're talking about 4 crucial figures in 2 wizarding wars. And then their son (of course Harry had 4 dads) used it multiple times to overthrow the Dark Lord the second time around. Besides, you're talking about 4 incredibly powerful students here, and if only they had lived to reach Dumbledore's age, they would have reached similar levels of respect and mystique, I'm sure. This way, they'll always be famous as heros who died defending what is right. (Glossing over Wormy because that's not the point here)
SawmillTurtle my thoughts exactly, and really the only reason we know the name of Iolanthe is because she’s the ancestor of Harry Potter. We don’t know that she’s a powerful witch, I can follow the logic train to her being a teacher at hogwarts, that was a nice bit of conjecture. But think about all the intergovernmental efforts that went into the 1994 cup. With so many other qualified people (headmasters, or heads of state) why would a plain teacher be the create the cup? You can’t come back with, well maybe she was the headmistress, but that’s a stretch. If Rowling went through the effort to give us this name, it’s not hard to assume she’d use another 20-30 characters to say she held the prestigious position of headmistress. All in all, I love Seamus’s work, and I loved his process in getting to his conclusion...just thought the payoff fell a bit short this time.
It is NOT the same as comparing it to the marauders map. The map was created in secret and is known by a very small amount of people. The goblet was created for a nationwide event that spanned centuries and thousands upon thousands of viewers. The craftsmen would’ve been held in high regard and not have been a secret who made it. The evidence all links together.
@@joeyflint7232 I actually said that very thing. Second to last paragraph:
"I understand that a well-known historical object such as the GOBLETOFIYAH is vastly different from something as recent and secretive as the Marauder's Map, but the logic is still sound: if you didn't know who made it, you could claim ANY powerful wizard of the time did so."
Glad we agree on that.
@@joeyflint7232
But in the end, it's the same: 700 years later, we don't know who created the Goblet. And in 700 years, the ones who'll put their hands on the Map won't know who made it (unless Harry and his descendants make sure to tell the story of the four friends when giving the Map.)
And if you don't know the creator of the item for sure, you can theorize than any powerful enough wizard (or wizards) of that time created it.
Iolanthe making it is a fun theory, but there's absolutely nothing to back it up. Seamus is theorizing that she is powerful enough to do it, that she'd be working at Hogwarts and that she'd be asked to create it, but there's not really any evidences to those... Nothing even close.
Still interesting, but really nothing to back it up.
Seamus how could you forget about dragonology?? Does Charlie Weasley mean nothing to you?
Charlie means little to everybody. His big contribution to the stories is re-gendering Norbert to Norberta and a hair cut.
Or curse-breaking like Bill does!
Any dragonologist would just move with the whole family.
A dragonoligist would be away from home probably searching for new dragons
BOOK:Harry did you put your name in the Goblet Of Fire Moive:HARRYDIDYOUPUTYOURNAMEGOBLETOFFIRE
max mayfield it’s FIYAH!!!
Dumbledore asked calmly.
*HARRYDIDYAHPUTYANAMEINTHEGOBLETOFFIYAH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!*
Rose MorningMist not in the movie
Luka chikvinidze Oh I know, he was the absolute opposite in the movie
I thought the powerful wizard might be MERLIN！
well we know nothing (mostly at least) about him. we don’t really have evidence
According to legend of Arthur, he would be around another 500 years earlier
Nope, Yoo late
Well, we DO know some facts about him... He was a Slytherin (source - Pottermore), and you know, I did some research, and Merlin the Wizard was born in about the year of 540, BUT since he's an extraordinary and a powerful wizard, Merlin's known to have lived about 440-460 years old, and that would mean he would've died in about the year of 980-1000. So techincally, he could not have made the Goblet of Fire, because like Sheamus said, it was made in about 1230-1250, and by then, Merlin was already dead.
No just no no no no
Same Seamus, I’ve always wondered why it wasn’t called Harry Potter and the Triwizard Tournament!
Brave Slytherin I think “Goblet of Fire” is catchier
Goblet of fire is better. Same can be said about the 7th book being names harry potter and voldemort of harry potter and the horcruxes
Yes the goblet wasn’t mentioned but it the was the core reason for everything to begin.
It was originally going to be called Harry Potter and the Doomspell Tournament, as the competition went by that name in early drafts of the story
Inkyminkyzizwoz never heard of it but thank god it was called the triwizard tournament. Doomspell sounds like some joke in a kids cartoon
@@iikaedenii That's probably another reason why people shouldn't make too much fuss about changes they made in the films (like when Dumbledore asked Harry about putting his name in the Goblet of Fire!) - JK Rowling herself made quite a few changes from how the story was originally going to go when writing the books!
0:28 actually, Nicholas flamel is the only *known* creator of the philosopher’s stone
Still he is the creator of the specific philosopher's stone which the book is about
@The TH-cam channel Who live It's because they wouldn't be interested in a book they thought was about philosophy.
@@lukas.dambrauskas_2046 NOPE
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He could work in St Mungo’s, work in shops or bars in diagon alley or hogsmeade, or work in the Daily Prophet. Also I think when she said ‘all the way in London’, she was talking about Potter descendants who had high positions in the ministry.
Also I don’t think the headmasters/headmistresses at Beuxbatons and Durmstrang would want a teacher from Hogwarts to insert the key object into the tournament. They would probably want an independent wizard/witch
I love it when you do theories like this. It adds so much more to fan cannon than ‘who made the goblet of fire’
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Max Hyuga argh people are gonna say this forever...must be annoying when you’ve made a whole video and this is all someone comments, he said he doesn’t like it anymore, time to let go
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When you said “think of another job that requires you to work away from home.” My mind automatically went to curse breaker like Bill
11:30 yes I can actually: a curse breaker for gringotts... Bill was away in Egypt for several years working as one
Dumbledore Drew the age line because the Ministry said you had to be 17 to compete. Before that there wasn't an age limit.
Linda Smith exactly!!
*harrehdidyaputyanameindagobletoffiya* ~said Albus Dumbledoor -calmly-
Edit: Before anyone says anything, I got the idea from kremet the frog
How do you type with the line through it?
McGonnagal actually lived in Hogsmade when she was married but teaching at Hogwarts
Yeah, but that's really close to the school
Elyne van Opzeeland very true very true just pointing it out
you missed a job, diagonaly shop stuff. Your still right though, they would have to go to London to have that job. and the hospital.
Can't be the only shopkeeper option
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“I can’t think of any wizards from around the 12th century...”
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11:33 saint monges hospital
Nice. St Mungo's is in London though so based on the theory, she can't have worked there. I was thinking Magizoologist?
The age line shouldn't be inbuilt into the goblet because 1994 was the first time to not allow underage students
That’s exactly the point he’s making. If it had been built for the tournament of 1994 it would have the age line built in. Since it doesn’t it must be older than the last tournament.
@@0708LC well yeah.... it never occurred to me that it would be new for the current tournament.
@@0708LC Did someone actually think that it would have been made for the last one? Huh..
It’s the point Seamus made. That the fact that it doesn’t have a build in age line is proof that it’s older.
Did you listen to the video?
Lol another job is a shop owner in dragon alley. Or any other wizarding shop. Proved u wrong Seamus
“Name a wizard of job that would keep you away from London and away from home”. Shop owner, curse breaker, magizoologist, healer, anything related to herbology or potions, which would most likely be a family owned business, musician, journalist, and anything else that requires travel
Off topic question why didn't lily just apparate with baby harry to somewhere safe?????
Ram Helou It’s cause you need a lot of willpower to apparate, even if someone else is doing the work, a baby wouldn’t be able to keep itself together, and would probably splinch itself ten times over. That is why she couldn’t apostate with Harry, as it would probably kill Harry anyways.
Just a guess but I'd say because of how Dumbledore says in Half Blood Prince that most wizarding homes have anti-apparition spells (jynx?) to prevent unwanted guests appearing in their homes.
She didn’t have her wand, you need one to apparate
Nina Mcgill not particularly. You don’t NEED a wand it just makes it much easier. Also she had her wand with her
@@purrito3892 Actually, you do need a wand to Apparate. It specifically says in the Deathly Hallows, "Ron was trying to Apparate without a wand." Now, Ron was never the best at apparating, but if it had nothing to do with a wand, why would Rowling include that? (Just to clarify, Ron is trying to Apparate in the basement of Malfoy Manor, just in case you wanted to know)
Would love to see that "theory within the theory" expanded upon, linking all the Tales of Beedle the Bard to the Potters (and maybe the Peveril's too?) sounds like a fun thing to do!
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11:37 "Healer at Saint Mungo's" - Devil's Advocate 2018
That's really nice research into the lore! However the key argument this theory stands on is that the cup wasn't made specifically for the tournament otherwise they'd have added an age restriction. BUTTT we know the age restriction was added as a further precaution only in the tournament that Harry participated in. So I think it far more likely that the three schools, wanting to start up this tournament got together and put there minds into making the goblet.
This is incredible - made from a dead end and a bare scattering of information, into a full 12 minute theory, and a theory inside a theory! Very very well done
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I just did the sorting quiz on pottermore. Guess what! Im a Hufflepuff! Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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So am I!
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Welcome to the family!
Dude I've never been so early! You're so funny and I LOVE your theories! Thanks for being awesome!
How about a dragon breeder thingy like charlie who is away from home.
Great video but I just don’t like how a “Potter” made the Goblet of Fire. The reason being it just now it feels as if everyone is related to the potter family and there some superior family lol
1:41 : I did read it Seamus! I always pause and read what u have to say, because it’s usually hilarious
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I love this kind of passion and close reading! YES! This is reading done right....reading done right.. *crying a little
Shop keeper in Diagon Ally or similar places? Does that count as an “away from home” job?
This is such an amazing theory! The depth is incredible
I mean this is a great theory but it feels like you’re reaching when a really simple answer would be right under your nose. The three headmasters of the schools at the time enchanted the cup to choose the witch or wizard who best exemplifies what they value from a participant. For example durmstrang values the brute talent and bravery aka victor krum. The headmasters would have obviously been very talented witches or wizards. But not insanely talented which is why things like the age line and various tampering were required/occurred
Love how you put together your theories. Great work as always, Seamus!
Originally, JK Rowling was going to name it Harry Potter and the Triwizard Tournament but then changed the name to Goblet of Fire
This is my favorite Harry Potter theory because it ties together the supplementary stories to the main story so nicely
Magizoologist, curse breaker, auror (possibly) just to name a few wizarding world occupations that might cause someone to be away from home for lengthy periods of time other than teaching (and of course there are other occupations like owning a shop in Diagon Alley or Hogsmeade that wouldn't). I believe it's also stated on Pottermore or in one of the Pottermore Presents books that spouses of teachers at Hogwarts generally live in Hogsmeade during the year. I don't disagree that Iolanthe Potter could've created the Goblet of Fire but there are just some small disagreements I've got with your theory lol
Thank you for these very entertaining videos, Seamus! They help to keep the love of Harry potter going and yeah, that's a good thing in my book.
Seamus said “Goblet of Fire” ten times, I counted.
11:30 A job at gringotts! Bill Weasley had that job and had to stay in Egypt, *away from his family* This totally makes sense because even if gringotts didn't exist in that time period, there is definitely some sort of wizard bank!
Great video, love your channel, but just one thing. The Deathly Hallows were created by DEATH, not the brothers. :)
This theory was crazy. It is so obvious how much work Seamus puts into these theories and it REALLY pays off!
Dragon training like Rons brother
Job: working with dragons
Job: doing what gilderoy lockheart said he did to write those books.
Slightly off-topic.
I've been reading Chamber of Secrets lately for the millionth time and I figured something out.
So Harry is of course related to Ignotus Peverell. Voldemort is related to Cadmus Peverell. This makes Harry and Voldemort distant cousins. As is established in the books.
However, since Voldemort is a descendant of Salazar Slytherin, wouldn't that mean Harry is related to Salazar Slytherin as well? Doesn't this mean that Harry *is* one heir of Salazar Slytherin after all?
Depends on how far back the Peverell line goes it's unlikely but hear me out what if salazar is a descendant of Cadmus that would mean Voldemort could be an heir of Slytherin but Harry not
Great video! I just want to mention that on magonagl’s pottermore page it states that she lived in hogsmead at some points in her life.
You take so much time to do research for your videos👏👏
i actually really like this theory, even though we can’t be sure. The whole theory inside of this theory was really interesting as well, and it makes total sense
wow, sorry, but this is a HELL of a stretch. like i will ALMOST accept the link to the wizard and the hopping pot. i cant say im 100% sold but that is kind hard to contradict so lets play along
and yes, there was a potter in 13th century. but... i mean... that is litterally it. thats all you have. is that iolandthe MIGHT have been woking at hogwars, where there is like 20 staff at any given time.because the only jobs we know about (other than the many you missed like reporter, magical doctors,writers and reserachers, store owners, bar keep, assumable some moer experemental roles like spell or potion creation and more) from a series of books that doesnt really explore the world that much, there are only 3 places to work. so IF that is right, than she was at hogwarts during the first triwizard cup that MIGHT have been where the goblet was made, so she might have made it because she happened to be around... maybe
PLUS this is all assuming the goblet of fire was made on day 1. maybe the first 10 or so the schools just picke a champion, all we know is the goblet had been around for a considerable time, but 100 years before the tourny was abolished is a considerable time
using this logic, maybe a malfoy or black made it.or one of the many wizards that died out
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Indeed, the Goblet could be younger (created later, to choose the participants more objectively) but it could have also been made way before, for something completely irrevelant to the Tournament.
This theory is interesting because the Goblet is a really mysterious artifact, but Seamus has absolutely zero evidences for it, sadly. It's wishes, not a theory.
the age line was done by Dumbledore when the age restriction for the tournament was implemented in 1994 after years and years of not having the Triwizard Tournament, originally anybody could join the tournament which is why it wouldn't have been there originally
Can you make a ranking list About all the Harry Potter books and movies i’m really intrested in your opinion
If you have ever wondered whats in Seamus's Intro it's, him at the start i think falling in to the lamp from Pixar,then it's Buz Lightyear,a hammer maybe of Thor or something,Dory,Woody,A lightsaber,A pencil,A wand (probably Harry's) ,Boo,A Severus Snape looking thing,Harry Potter's glasses,Captain America shield, Black Lighting bolt and lastly Darla from Finding Nemo
Ily XXX best teorist honestly ( well tied with scb ) 💛💛💛
Robyn Hughes uhhhhhh... reread your comment. Autocorrect
YES SUPER CARLIN BROTHERS AND SEAMUS GORMAN ARE THE BEST THEORISTS EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Robyn Hughes you said teorist
This is the best video you’ve put out in the past month or so.. i think your theory is right on!!! Keep up the good work!!
I guess we’ll never know....except you told us 😂🤣😬😬😬
Hey, i have a theory, i'm sure i came up with it but since there are heaps of people in the world, at least one of them had probably thought of this, but here it is:
The grim is a spectral dog which haunts the churchyards. "The giant, spectral dog that haunts churchyards!......" - Professor trewlawny. harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Grim , also form the POA.
Anyway, the grim is a dog which haunts the churchyards, as i said earlier. In the mideavial times people would bury a dog first in a new graveyard/churchyard/whatever because the first person or animal buried in a new graveyard would guide the others to the afterlife. They buried a dog first because they wanted their loved ones to go to the afterlife instead of guiding the others, stuck in the graveyard.
Dumbledore, was the first buried at hogwarts. Now i know you're thinking that that wasn't a graveyard, and you're right, it wasn't. What if they buried the others who died in the battle of hogwarts there? Please correct me if i'm wrong, but i couldn't find information anywhere where they were buried, so what if they were buried there at hogwarts? That would make dumbledore the one that would guide the others to the afterlife thing.
When hary had 'died' he was in the Limbo. harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Limbo
"Limbo is a state of being that exists between life and death. Limbo comes to being inside a person's mind making it both real and unreal."
Dumbledore was there, and he was with Harry, helping him make a choice whether to go on or stay. Harry obviously chose to return, but as i previosuly stated, Dumbledore was there helping him choose whether to move on or not and dumbledore had died. Harry Potter: "Tell me one last thing. Is this real? Or has this been happening inside my head?""
Albus Dumbledore: "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?"
If Dumbledore was dead wouldn't he have moved on instead of staying behind? But what if he had no choice because he ahd to stay! Harry even says in the deathly hallows that dumbledore would have moved on you can find the qoute if you want but it's there. Also, in the order of the pheonix, you can find the page and stuff again but after Sirius's death Harry went to Sir Nic and asked if about Sirius and nick told him about this stuff. But yeah that's my theory, that dumbledore was that thing that guided the others to their afterlife thing. You can add on to this and if you wanted to you can make a video about this. Sorry if it isn't easy to understand what i wrote.
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It’s clearly fake first no English second it I’m Korea there secluded no uoutube
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Bill and Charlie both worked away from home. I guess taking care of Dragon is probably sth controlled by the Ministry but he never had to come to London, did he? Also, other jobs - besides bank worker or dragon tamer - are shop keeper, inn keeper, joke product creator, fantastic beasts researcher, dark creature killer (was Lockhart sth akin to an auror or independent?), author, journalist, scholar,... Surely at least a few of those are independent from the Ministry.
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no i did think of something and it's called literally every job beside the ones you listed. specifically that dragon thing that Ron's brother does
The makers of the Goblet of Fire, duh
Well, obviously! The question is who were those makers?
@@Inkyminkyzizwoz This comment was intended as a joke, sorry if you didn't get it
fancy mudkip 🤣 I answered a question in class that way once. My teacher wasn’t to impressed.
5:01 "What a revelation!" 😂😂😂
Great video, really like this theory ❤
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@Juan Ortiz maybe the Ello There’s? Lol
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The Gore men
@Nina Elmoyan that’s a good one
the seamus gorminators or just the gorminaters
I definitely gave Seamus a like for his obviously extensive and amazing efforts!
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as if it had *anything* to do with this video...
Seamussss your actually my fav. Love all your videos because they make me laugh and I can see all the effort you put into it. Thank you and carry on the good work 💛❤️
I guess we'll never know except Harrydidyahpuhyournaminthegobleafihah!?
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Death: Am I a joke to you?
Who invented *Teh gOBLiT oF FiYaH!?*
Seamus: How did we get here?
Me: Do you have 90 minutes?
Same i was searching for this comment loll
Hey Seamus
I think that before the triwizard tournament got rebooted,the minimum age requirement was lower whereas in Harry's fourth year the ministry wanted a higher age requirement but possibly due to some of the goblets enchantments age restrictions spells could not be placed upon it hence having to ask dumbledore to draw the age line once at hogwarts(its possible 😛)
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Great idea, but I'd like to suggest that Iolanthe had some help from teachers at Beauxbatons and Durmstrang. Maybe like the Sorting Hat, each school had a designated teacher to choose that school's champion, but as time went on they realized they couldn't keep this up forever, so they came together and created the Goblet of Fire to choose for them.
I just thought about this??
Thank you for the immense amount of research you did. You are amazing! Thumbs up.
Can you do a reaction video when Toy Story 4 Comes out, pls
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Dude. It's Seamus. You KNOW he's gonna do a video. He's already been releasing theories
@@ExHappyFace why?
@Gilmer Robles because a random person on the internet's comment can totally stop a him from making a video.
0:50 the tale tells that the brothers were gifted these items by death and not created by themselves
Wow, not a Disney video?! As the CEO, I order you to do a Disney video! Or else
Robert Iger shut up
Bob Iger is the current CEO of Disney
@@dar-nakkallig Bob is another name for ROBERT
As far as I know the age restriction was a recent update to the tournament
Hi
I can think of a Wizarding job that requires you to stay away from home. Whatever Bill/Charlie Weasley do (with the Dragons in a Romania)
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I love your sarcasm! Awesome theory!