I'm not German, but I wonder what's keeping the British in the dark about Google Translate and such. It wouldn't take more than 15 seconds to check the pronunciation.
Kreissäge = Circular saw. It’s pronounced Krice(like ice) zege. That’s pretty close anyhow. Notice the illustration of the cat with the saw blade? He could have tried a little harder to pronounce it better/correctly. After all it’s a German brand, should have been his first clue.
The power of actually hiring designers that don't have awful taste in color. Most bike companies have the nastiest colors/designs outside of their 12k bikes.
Currently selling one of these because im switching to gravel. Its really hard to compare this bike to anything else really. The main selling point for me was the aesthetic. Standert is the ONLY brand in europe that consistently puts out the most gorgeous bike colors. Most of us arent racers so having a bike thats beautiful with very nice decals is in my eyes better than having an ugly bike thats faster. Its sort of like having a restomod Porsche: overpriced, kinda slow but at the same time you love to ride it because the beauty of it motivates you to ride it more. Lovely bike, if i have enough money down the line to own two bikes, I would happily buy another Kreissage just because it isnt always about having the best spec or fastest bike, sometimes you just want to own something beautiful.
This has to be a Gen Z bike because they're not old enough to remember when companies like Voodoo and Niner stopped selling Scandium frames because they all cracked under warranty.
I had a Scatante frame back around 2005. it was SOOOOO cheap (like $200 maybe?) and I guess it was good for the money but obviously that's not saying much.
I have a "scandium frame " Kona Major Jake from way back in 2008 . Still ride it but l believe "scandium " was more of a marketing ploy than anything else re. ride quality , frame strength etc. Scandium is extremely expensive . The Kona is essentially an aluminum frame with a very small amount of scandium "magic powder " tossed in the mix . I would guess the bike reviewed is likewise an aluminum frame bike with a tiny percentage of scandium in the alloy to justify the very expensive frame price . Price aside though ,very sweet looking bike !!
@@Shadowboostcaad is definitely better, I also got a used caad12 with full ultegra for just $1000, super happy with it. I’m actually in the process of repainting it and using standert as a reference
@@lazypanda1493 I've gotten Supersix Evo HMs for 500 and 680 dollars respectively with full Dura Ace 9000. I just can't fathom how this is anything special
I’ve had one for a few years, I love the geometry and the overall feel. I had a Caad 12 and wasn’t a fan of the new 13 when it came out, this although pricy was the right choice for me. Alloy for the win!
The thing with all these "boutique" companies selling off the shelf metal frames for me is: Why would I pay that kind of money when I could literally have a custom frame built to my personal specs made from the same material for the same money or less? At least in my area there's plenty of framebuilders. And you get a custom paintjob in literally any color. If you want a Dedacciai aluminium frame, there's also loads of guys in Italy who happily build one for you. But I guess some people just want the brand and image. Don't get me wrong, though. I like what Standert are doing.
you clearly aren't talking based on either knowledge or experience. Everything you just said is utter BS. Frame is about the same price as competition and it's made in Italy. So both of your arguments are seriously flawed. Still I wouldn't buy any alloy racing bike and for sure not an alloy gravel bike. Either steel or carbon.
Exactly. I never said it wasn’t made in Italy. I never said that Standert was more expensive than the competition. I’m just saying that for that kind of money, I could just go to those very framebuilders and have a custom frame built the way I like it. Which is what I did. Antonio Taverna in Padua will happily build you a frame from Deda tubing - steel or aluminium. Not the exact same tubes maybe as those seem to be custom made for Standert. And don’t get me wrong: It’s cool that brands like these still do metal frames.
I would relook at the geometry if I were you.. It's more aggressive than 99.9% of the racing bikes the market. The angles are steeper than the Allez Sprint, Cannondale CAAD12, 13, Factor Ostro VAM, Tarmac SL8, Colnago V4Rs... The Chainstain and wheelbase are equal or shorter...
Nice and honest review. Given that you also have an Allez Sprint, would you mind giving us a depth comparison and conclusion which one would you choose? I am honestly waiting for that comparison since I am deciding between those two. Thanks.
I have one and love it. Not the discy one - rim brake. Weighs 8kg exact with pedals & 50mm carbon wheels alu bars, stem, post & 10 speed mechanical ( which i had spare from years back) it cost 3000 euro total ( but the gruppo was no cost). I look at frame price as build to my spec. Allez sprint frames are more expensive. And disc only. So the kreissäge ( however it is pronounced) is a great option for those of us who still like mechanical rim brake bikes and also want an alu frame
Why not most get a CAAD10? 200 dollars gets you a full bike with SRAM Force. Changing bar, stem, and seatpost and the wheelset and it's sub 8 kg for under 700 dollars
This will be interesting to watch. Almost every person I have talked to who has owned one of these have GOTTEN RIDE OF THE BIKE QUICKLY and said that it felt dull, dead, sluggish - AND really stiff... - not the way you'd hope a good aluminum frame will feel.
@@roadcc Just come to Germany, no problem ;) Yeah the shipping is a bit of a shame. I feel like Canyon does a way better Job at giving reviewers and press access to the bikes, eventough Rose Bikes are very comparable.
Funny video - I just have learnt I don't have to memorize these words - they will all be cheugy next year... ThnX! The bike looks great - with a noticeable exception of a bit quirky head tube-integrated cockpit profile.
Very interesting, because I have been very interested in it, till i habe been at the store and wrote one in Berlin. It is still an amazing looking bike but what i recognized immediately it is so stiff and then if i think about money and weight. 3 points i said i will go for something else but it is the hottest girl in the club…
I'm guessing the problem with your rear wheel is due to one or both of the caps not fitting correctly. That won't take a minute to check. End cap on the none drive side.
Repeat after me: Kreis-Sä-Ge. Kreis like the Chrys of Chrysler, Sä like in the american pronounciation of sabotage, g like a g in the beginning of a word, such as going.
Like the colorways of standert bikes, but those chunky non tapered headtubes are ruining every bike from them, hidden calbes are nice but with that big upper part of the headtube, its way to big for all the other tubes in comparisson.
nah, dont let yourself get lied to. they make it only electronic shifting to save money, but they dont even make the welding areas with a clean transition. they are selling you an overpriced frame. Made in Germany does not necesarily means good quality if the company has people who works per hour and just want to do the least just to go home. I work in Germany and the work culture is not specially amazing at the moment.
@@mindsmartie8975 specialized and trek are overpriced, for sure, but they make bikes that any pro will want to ride. They perform. Standert is selling inferior stuff. Show me one pro who would want to race an aluminium vibe bike like that. Performance does matter.
Every alloy frame on the market is overpriced, and while this one is not different, it isn't that much more expensive (you can buy the frameset for around 1500). But compared to carbon with prices for framesets >4000 for that little extra performance, alloy frames are a steal, especially if you're racing.
@@l.d.t.6327 something can't be overpriced and a steal simultaneously. Maybe you're trying to say you get shafted less buying alloy? To which I'd say, buy an OEM frame. Just cut the hipster middleman who never sets foot in a factory, and buy from the factory.
@@pierrex3226 All frames are overpriced, but relatively, alloy frames are, for 95% of performance, way cheaper than most carbon. I won races on OEM planet-X branded frames and have had modern carbon Scott and Argon frames, so I know what money I buy goes into the frame's performance and what goes into marketing.
Standert bikes are so much more expensive than their counterparts. Perhaps Insta/Gen Z is their target audience, but what a missed opportunity to scale by offering genuine value for money and taking on Trek, Specialized, and Giant.
Dont bully the berlin hippsters so much. Personally i dont understand why anyone would pay for this when there is a boatload of older frames out there that have often similar or superior craftmanship.
Not really sure what most of those words mean as I pride myself on being properly educated. As an older rider in my 50’s I like the looks a lot with the exception of that cat decal.
The 'funny' bits were painful and it compelled me to stop watching a review I was kind of interested in. Humour is a spice that when applied too liberally, wastes the meal. And in this case any meals near it, or in the same building.
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This video is a hit, assuming the cringe was on purpose
As a German I flinched everytime he said "Kreissäge" - no cap.
Any proof you're German? As there's far too many youtube comments start with "As a"
Yeap….another German here….or “enasor jerman”
I'm not German, but I wonder what's keeping the British in the dark about Google Translate and such. It wouldn't take more than 15 seconds to check the pronunciation.
like nails on a chalkboard
Kreissäge = Circular saw. It’s pronounced Krice(like ice) zege. That’s pretty close anyhow. Notice the illustration of the cat with the saw blade?
He could have tried a little harder to pronounce it better/correctly. After all it’s a German brand, should have been his first clue.
I never heard Kreissäge being pronounced that lovely. You made my day ❤️
my ears are bleeding :D
@@thomaspfaff1209 Come on it’s. Great way to say the word 😊
turned it into french :P
croissant
The power of actually hiring designers that don't have awful taste in color.
Most bike companies have the nastiest colors/designs outside of their 12k bikes.
trek? lol, except for project one, trek are too lazy to explore color line.
@@Bukangamershould we talk about Canyon then?
Currently selling one of these because im switching to gravel. Its really hard to compare this bike to anything else really. The main selling point for me was the aesthetic. Standert is the ONLY brand in europe that consistently puts out the most gorgeous bike colors. Most of us arent racers so having a bike thats beautiful with very nice decals is in my eyes better than having an ugly bike thats faster. Its sort of like having a restomod Porsche: overpriced, kinda slow but at the same time you love to ride it because the beauty of it motivates you to ride it more. Lovely bike, if i have enough money down the line to own two bikes, I would happily buy another Kreissage just because it isnt always about having the best spec or fastest bike, sometimes you just want to own something beautiful.
That bike is straight fire on god fr. If only i wasnt broke ahh i would buy one asap. Cleanest whip in the bunch for sure. No cap
Price is wild. When you’re 1500 quid more than an equivalent specialized, you know you’re really taking the piss.
The frameset is also only 1500 quid
Made in Italy though, and using better quali Alu
Germany?
@@sachavanderwoude2501 this. People can just buy the frame and build (cheaper) themselves.
The way you slaughter the name Kreissäge is astonishing. 😁 Just repeat, Grice-Say-Gey, haha.
You mean they don't speak French in Berlin???
Cry-Sauge !!! :-D
This has to be a Gen Z bike because they're not old enough to remember when companies like Voodoo and Niner stopped selling Scandium frames because they all cracked under warranty.
Let the Zs experience it. Some of them aren’t good listeners 😂
I had a Scatante frame back around 2005. it was SOOOOO cheap (like $200 maybe?) and I guess it was good for the money but obviously that's not saying much.
Times have changed with Scandium, people have developed it more and aren't making it the same as they used too.
One of the best reviews on the internet! not just in the cycling world ;)
I’m taking notes on the lingo to embarrass my kids with
I have a "scandium frame " Kona Major Jake from way back in 2008 . Still ride it but l believe "scandium " was more of a marketing ploy than anything else re. ride quality , frame strength etc. Scandium is extremely expensive . The Kona is essentially an aluminum frame with a very small amount of scandium "magic powder " tossed in the mix . I would guess the bike reviewed is likewise an aluminum frame bike with a tiny percentage of scandium in the alloy to justify the very expensive frame price . Price aside though ,very sweet looking bike !!
scamdium
If Cannondale has paint jobs like these for the caad series, they are going to be the most popular bike in the world
I don't understand how this is any better than a CAAD10. Hell, I bought my second one for 200 dollars this year
@@Shadowboostcaad is definitely better, I also got a used caad12 with full ultegra for just $1000, super happy with it. I’m actually in the process of repainting it and using standert as a reference
@@lazypanda1493 I've gotten Supersix Evo HMs for 500 and 680 dollars respectively with full Dura Ace 9000. I just can't fathom how this is anything special
@@Shadowboost mostly the look I reckon
Great vid. Really enjoyed the vibe check
I’ve had one for a few years, I love the geometry and the overall feel. I had a Caad 12 and wasn’t a fan of the new 13 when it came out, this although pricy was the right choice for me. Alloy for the win!
Funnest review in a long while
Great video, very entertaining to watch
The thing with all these "boutique" companies selling off the shelf metal frames for me is: Why would I pay that kind of money when I could literally have a custom frame built to my personal specs made from the same material for the same money or less? At least in my area there's plenty of framebuilders. And you get a custom paintjob in literally any color. If you want a Dedacciai aluminium frame, there's also loads of guys in Italy who happily build one for you. But I guess some people just want the brand and image. Don't get me wrong, though. I like what Standert are doing.
can you give any examples on such brands?
Credibility? They need to pass iso standards etc with their bikes.
The Kreissäge is made in Italy by those italian frame builders you speak of, in close colaboration with Dedaccai.
you clearly aren't talking based on either knowledge or experience. Everything you just said is utter BS. Frame is about the same price as competition and it's made in Italy. So both of your arguments are seriously flawed. Still I wouldn't buy any alloy racing bike and for sure not an alloy gravel bike. Either steel or carbon.
Exactly. I never said it wasn’t made in Italy. I never said that Standert was more expensive than the competition. I’m just saying that for that kind of money, I could just go to those very framebuilders and have a custom frame built the way I like it. Which is what I did. Antonio Taverna in Padua will happily build you a frame from Deda tubing - steel or aluminium. Not the exact same tubes maybe as those seem to be custom made for Standert. And don’t get me wrong: It’s cool that brands like these still do metal frames.
I would relook at the geometry if I were you.. It's more aggressive than 99.9% of the racing bikes the market. The angles are steeper than the Allez Sprint, Cannondale CAAD12, 13, Factor Ostro VAM, Tarmac SL8, Colnago V4Rs... The Chainstain and wheelbase are equal or shorter...
Thanks for the caption 😄 And oh yes, an interesting bike too. Way too expensive, though.
This is the only bike with disc brakes I find interesting. Saw couple of them on Stelvio last year. The colours on these are lovely.
Nice and honest review.
Given that you also have an Allez Sprint, would you mind giving us a depth comparison and conclusion which one would you choose?
I am honestly waiting for that comparison since I am deciding between those two.
Thanks.
I want that Allez sprint
Or caad will do the job
Nice bikes. Can't wait to buy a Canyon.
Would you recommend the Condor Italia RC over the standert?
Dat whip is bangin - propa mint blud!
I have one and love it. Not the discy one - rim brake. Weighs 8kg exact with pedals & 50mm carbon wheels alu bars, stem, post & 10 speed mechanical ( which i had spare from years back) it cost 3000 euro total ( but the gruppo was no cost). I look at frame price as build to my spec. Allez sprint frames are more expensive. And disc only. So the kreissäge ( however it is pronounced) is a great option for those of us who still like mechanical rim brake bikes and also want an alu frame
Why not most get a CAAD10? 200 dollars gets you a full bike with SRAM Force. Changing bar, stem, and seatpost and the wheelset and it's sub 8 kg for under 700 dollars
Bike is bangin' but the price is well sketch.
Haha! Touché
Relaxed geometry might be due to the 17 spacers under the handlebars.
❤ yes very educational, i always wanna one like my next bike but now i think twice now - i thought its TITANIUm
This will be interesting to watch. Almost every person I have talked to who has owned one of these have GOTTEN RIDE OF THE BIKE QUICKLY and said that it felt dull, dead, sluggish - AND really stiff... - not the way you'd hope a good aluminum frame will feel.
This bike is so slay.. love me an alloy frame. I have the Edmonda ALR and chose it over carbon
Go with Mason if you are looking for gorgeous colors and is not interested in racing. That's what I hope to do at some point
Great video!!! Great bike
I love the look and I’m seriously weighing one up but it’s hard to ignore options from winspace
I saw SuperTeam's Black Friday promotion today. Is this the best time to buy carbon fiber wheels?
Had my eye on these. They look so damn smart, in all configurations. But lack of comfort and cost rules it out.
Could this be the same frame set as a Condor Italia but with a different badge?
Lovely stuff, is it over price though?
You’re certainly paying for the brand, it’s spesh, trek/cannondale build quality (so not half bad!) but at Mason prices
Can likely get a custom Walty built Ti bike with the exact same geometry for half the price.
Perfect bike for fashion victims.
I know a couple of people who have these, they are very nice.
Really cool bike.
Presumably it would be quite comfortable with 32mm tyres at 60psi?
I wonder if this is the same frame set as the Condor Italia with a different badge..
Now I finally know! Could you review the Rose X-Lite 06?
We would love to but unfortunately they no longer ship to the UK so going to tricky to get our hands on one
@@roadcc Just come to Germany, no problem ;)
Yeah the shipping is a bit of a shame. I feel like Canyon does a way better Job at giving reviewers and press access to the bikes, eventough Rose Bikes are very comparable.
Funny video - I just have learnt I don't have to memorize these words - they will all be cheugy next year... ThnX!
The bike looks great - with a noticeable exception of a bit quirky head tube-integrated cockpit profile.
You can get the exact same frameset that spruced by Deda at competitor 8bar in berlin for almost half the money lol
8bar is the cube of the boutique genZ painted over alloy frame brands.
it looks awesome though
Now in the UK For 4k you can have tarmac sl8😮 on rival with carbon wheels
Very interesting, because I have been very interested in it, till i habe been at the store and wrote one in Berlin. It is still an amazing looking bike but what i recognized immediately it is so stiff and then if i think about money and weight. 3 points i said i will go for something else but it is the hottest girl in the club…
Scott were making scandium frames in 2003
I'm guessing the problem with your rear wheel is due to one or both of the caps not fitting correctly. That won't take a minute to check. End cap on the none drive side.
Repeat after me: Kreis-Sä-Ge. Kreis like the Chrys of Chrysler, Sä like in the american pronounciation of sabotage, g like a g in the beginning of a word, such as going.
Cry-Sag ?
cries-za-guh
I keeping with this review, press F for those white shoes.
F
The frame is also made in Italy, which is why it's more expensive than its competition ;)
Like the colorways of standert bikes, but those chunky non tapered headtubes are ruining every bike from them, hidden calbes are nice but with that big upper part of the headtube, its way to big for all the other tubes in comparisson.
again proof that hype and marketing is way more important than actual performance or value
Oh, those "dreggy" shoes give me the "ick"
mention the different headset standard
Let’s all get White socks and White Helmets, who gives a frag ?
thats a posh caad 10
I'd buy a Standert track bike before their road bike.
The bike looks great, but for the price, I wouldn't consider alloy frame.
Buying an aluminium bike for this price ist just delusional. youre getting at least the same specs for the same price with a carbon frame!
nah, dont let yourself get lied to. they make it only electronic shifting to save money, but they dont even make the welding areas with a clean transition. they are selling you an overpriced frame. Made in Germany does not necesarily means good quality if the company has people who works per hour and just want to do the least just to go home. I work in Germany and the work culture is not specially amazing at the moment.
Do I need to wear white socks over the leg warmers when riding a Standert??
Pretty sure that's a rule
as a german, i want to apologize for the lame ass comments from other germans
What about.... that other thing..? (I'm joking around)
27.2mm seatpost, less faff headset, what’s not to love!?
The price
I have a golden steal version….+500 aura 😂
No way I’d pay that much for an alloy frame…
How to make an inferior product, bet it all on marketing, and sell it for a fortune. It's so intellectually insulting, it's almost beautiful. Almost.
It’s a cool bike, unfortunately, like many overpriced products, eg Specialized, Trek, whatever.
@@mindsmartie8975 specialized and trek are overpriced, for sure, but they make bikes that any pro will want to ride. They perform. Standert is selling inferior stuff. Show me one pro who would want to race an aluminium vibe bike like that. Performance does matter.
Every alloy frame on the market is overpriced, and while this one is not different, it isn't that much more expensive (you can buy the frameset for around 1500). But compared to carbon with prices for framesets >4000 for that little extra performance, alloy frames are a steal, especially if you're racing.
@@l.d.t.6327 something can't be overpriced and a steal simultaneously. Maybe you're trying to say you get shafted less buying alloy? To which I'd say, buy an OEM frame. Just cut the hipster middleman who never sets foot in a factory, and buy from the factory.
@@pierrex3226 All frames are overpriced, but relatively, alloy frames are, for 95% of performance, way cheaper than most carbon. I won races on OEM planet-X branded frames and have had modern carbon Scott and Argon frames, so I know what money I buy goes into the frame's performance and what goes into marketing.
To be fair, I've had a rim-brake Kreissäge for about 4 years now and it slaps. Haven't seen another in the SW either so it turns heads too.
Standert bikes are so much more expensive than their counterparts. Perhaps Insta/Gen Z is their target audience, but what a missed opportunity to scale by offering genuine value for money and taking on Trek, Specialized, and Giant.
Looks like an early 2000s cannondale
It's nice but I think a Mason or Fairlight are better value for money.........
Agreed
For the college kid that races and would’ve bought an Allez Sprint, but has a trust fund.
I wonder if the presenter knows what a Kreissäge is 😂
thats too much money for an aluminium bike and 8,3kg...
For that price... Thats a NOPE.. alloy and overpriced. Just get a SL7 at this point. Lmao
Dont bully the berlin hippsters so much.
Personally i dont understand why anyone would pay for this when there is a boatload of older frames out there that have often similar or superior craftmanship.
Its because you only get +500 Aura by stopping by a café in Berlin in your PNS with your Standert paying 8€ for a coffee with oatmilk.
Kai (as in sky) - sega (as in sega)
Tough watch
The only guy I know that rides a standert is this 45 year old guy that does tons of laps in prospect park
Oh no, the road cc kiss of death. Fun video though lol. Although you're a bit too young for the boomer jokes about Gen Z to really land lol.
0:18 Jamie, trust me, you can go faster. Just clean your shoes!
Well well , alloy bikes are fantastic ❤
Not really sure what most of those words mean as I pride myself on being properly educated. As an older rider in my 50’s I like the looks a lot with the exception of that cat decal.
Please buy a Crysage! I am from Berlin. Our state budget is riddled with holes. every tax penny counts.🥲Thanks Jamie for this bussin review!
0:53 Eh! Jamie, EVERYTHING ends up in the Oxford English Dictionary . . . the world's BEST!
Gen Z refer TO OED for their own education!
all their money went into marketing
Looks like a Cannondale or Klein
The 'funny' bits were painful and it compelled me to stop watching a review I was kind of interested in.
Humour is a spice that when applied too liberally, wastes the meal. And in this case any meals near it, or in the same building.
Krysarge😂
Pretty sure those are 50s not 52s
Standert was cool 5 years ago. Now they be cashing out the genZ noobs.
cringe or not I thought this was unironically hilarious
"Kreissäge" is circular saw.
road cc brainrot before gta 6😭
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