F-35, Top Gun and Finland - Colonel (retd) Scott Davis Part 1

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  • Let's talk fighter jets, in two parts! Scott Davis, callsign "Lurch", is a fighter pilot with over 3600 flight hours in the F-15, F-16, F-18 and F-22 fighters. He's also attended and instructed at the TOPGUN courses in both US Navy and US Air Force. He now works for Lockheed Martin in the Nordics and he came on our show to talk to us about his career and the F-35, which is the new fighter jet for the Finnish Air Force.
    In this first part of the series we talk about Scott's career through TOPGUN schools and what it was like to write the playbook for the first 5th generation fighters. We also discuss the differences between generations and especially how the 4th and 5th generation airframes differ. What's dog fighting like in a 4th generation versut 5th generation airplane?
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  • @66lesjo
    @66lesjo หลายเดือนก่อน +25

    Great interview and guest. Peace to our Finish brothers from an ex British soldier.

  • @toniokkolin4796
    @toniokkolin4796 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    Hattu nousee taistelijaparille kielitaidosta. Lisää vaan mielenkiintoisia ulkkis vieraita ja mielenkiintoisia aiheita.👍

  • @polhokustaa4989
    @polhokustaa4989 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    Cool guy! He also spoke very decent Finnish!

  • @reiska9840
    @reiska9840 25 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What a guest! Massive respect for this great and humble gentleman. This guy has some real life experience regarding multiple jet fighter types.
    Excellent interview Villes! Keep up the good work guys.

  • @PrimarchX
    @PrimarchX หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Top Gun gets all the love. But Red Flag is another hallmark program of US air combat.

  • @golddigger8759
    @golddigger8759 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    He indeed spoke (and pronounced) near fluent Finnish! Respect 🤜🤛

  • @mikkoveijalainen7430
    @mikkoveijalainen7430 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Todella sujuvaa ja mielenkiintoista ilmasotahenkistä tarinaa. Kiitoksia.

    • @mightyfinland8118
      @mightyfinland8118  หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Kiitoksia! Pian tulee kakkososa!

  • @petteripori7404
    @petteripori7404 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Timanttista settiä täälläkin kertaa! Ja lontoo taittuu Ville&Villeltä erinomaisen sujuvasti!

  • @RockerFinland
    @RockerFinland หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The guest is so cool! This has to be one of my favourite episodes (like the one with Theo Boyrie / Combat Arms Channel)

  • @apuuvah
    @apuuvah หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Great podcast. A man who knows his stuff and has lived in Finland. Nice.

    • @Jani_Ikävalko
      @Jani_Ikävalko หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@apuuvah and u decide who knows and who doesnt and are above these guy$?

  • @golddigger8759
    @golddigger8759 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    WOW, what a career he had!!!

  • @zonacrs
    @zonacrs หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for sharing that.
    It was one of the most engaging interviews I have seen in a very long time. I'm pretty sure you only scratched the surface of the stories that retired Colonel has to tell.
    What an interesting Gentleman.

  • @EggwardEgghands
    @EggwardEgghands หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Without having listened longer than a few mins into the episode; the F-35 is the only contender in the HX-program that could fill the requirement for support until 2060. That alone weighs a lot in the final choice.

    • @henafoo
      @henafoo หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I remember that both F35 and the Gripen filled the requirements and thus got tested further.

    • @perelfberg7415
      @perelfberg7415 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gripen did aswell. But the most definiting factor was that a fight would be done in a vacuum Finland all alone. The chosen fighter was deemed the most survivable in that scenario. Sadly it also totally negated the strongest argument for gripen as sweden could never not be involved in a conclict in the nordic territory. Eather way it was not bad choice in the end. It the price stays. But with norway as an example that does not speak in favour of it.
      With the trend of 6gen fifhters bow and the NGAD being questioned one can ask if the very long service life with be the preferred one. As of now its fine but it a very limited platform that can not easily take changes.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@henafoo The Gripen placed the lowest of all contenders in H-X, with scores so low they were not published by Finland. It did not even approach the threshold requirements in any of the 5 evaluation areas. The only contender that came close was the Super Hornet, but it did not meet the overall threshold of 4/5, registering 3.81/ 4. F-35A total scoring was 4.47/5. Swedish media revealed that the Gripen score in H-X was 2.8/5. Finland was very smart in leveraging the prospects of the Gripen being awarded to put pressure on Lockheed to sweeten the deal even more for Finland, even though Finnish Air Force had really pretty much decided it was going with F-35A back in 2014.

    • @henafoo
      @henafoo หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@LRRPFco52 Of the 5 offers to the HX, 3 offers got to final evaluation phase. F-35, Gripen and F-18 super hornet. So no it was not the lowest as two didn't even get to the final phase. Also the document put out by finnish defence ministery, the scoring was not included. So I'm going to consider with a block of salt any scoring given out by other sources.

    • @LRRPFco52
      @LRRPFco52 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@henafoo I followed H-X throughout the entire process from 2014-2021, with an acute eye to details. The Rafale F4 and Typhoon were eliminated early due to refusal to do any industrial sharing, plus the unit costs for each of those is in the 150-168 million Euro unit flyaway, over 200 million unit program costs. F-35A is $77.9m in Lot 14, while Finnish Block 4 F-35As will be $83m Unit Flyaway.
      It was an extremely detailed and well-run evaluation that placed the performance requirements into 5 major categories. Those results were in fact recorded with overall scores, the top 2 of which were published.

  • @ZeAngrySnowmongol
    @ZeAngrySnowmongol หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    Drinking game: You drink everytime when someone says Top Gun 😎😁

  • @lentojatka
    @lentojatka หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Tää oli yksi parhaista lentoaiheisista videoista joita olen nähnyt. Mielenkiintoisia yksityiskohtia esim. 5gen vs 4gen hävittäjien kohtaamisesta.

  • @jmlaasonen
    @jmlaasonen หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Talking about call signs: one of the coolest must be Obi2 (or Obi-Two) in UK. Those who know they know...

  • @gaudin5573
    @gaudin5573 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Part 2, when? Really good guest can't wait for more!

  • @LRRPFco52
    @LRRPFco52 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’m dying over here after that Lurch story. A 36” inseam is really long, so imagining him in USAF dress As with 26” high waters is absolutely hilarious, especially having to show up for the Hughes award.

  • @aksuahkera4052
    @aksuahkera4052 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tier 1 guest! Good catch.

  • @apuuvah
    @apuuvah หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    AI stealth drone wingmen will start flying with 5th generation, but that was the first thing that came to mind about 6th generation.

  • @mikeh2772
    @mikeh2772 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cool guy with good stories.

  • @TeeDee87
    @TeeDee87 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tilattu kanava. Tää oli ihan helvetin mielenkiintoinen.

  • @tonykraft2649
    @tonykraft2649 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Scott Davis, it sounds like we might have been in KEF at the same time. I hung out at the FIS bar quite frequently

  • @anthonykaiser974
    @anthonykaiser974 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I forget who, but it was on former F14 RIO Ward Carroll's channel when he interviewed a TOPGUN guy: one word, don't ask.

  • @Pectopah123
    @Pectopah123 หลายเดือนก่อน

    No pain no gain!

  • @mightyfinland8118
    @mightyfinland8118  หลายเดือนก่อน

    SECOND PART OUT NOW: th-cam.com/video/wRi3pErELao/w-d-xo.html

  • @olavimarttala714
    @olavimarttala714 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Olisipa mukava jos tekstityksiin tulisi Suomessa suomeksi automaatti käännös.Englannin kieltä ei ole aivan militaristisanoilla tullut täydennettynä viime aikoina.Muutaman kerran kun testailisi niin ehkä korva harjaantuisi puhekieleen.Kiitos.

  • @Jerry-gj1bh
    @Jerry-gj1bh 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    How does air combat take place at the stage when Russia has stealth fighters? When everyone has stealth fighters, the stealth advantage disappears. Will we then return to air battles that occur within visual range? Dogfights, etc.

  • @lohikarhu734
    @lohikarhu734 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i also watch those naval aviation guys, like Growler jams, and others...so 'Top Gun' is quite low on my list of "authoritative sources"!
    And, growing up in a military family (even my Mother worked in "8 Bombing & Gunnery" in WW II!), i learned very early that "Hollywood" and "military experiences" were not very similar...

  • @ssc00p
    @ssc00p 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I would give a like, but then I would mess up the interesting count it stands rn...

  • @DypoMage
    @DypoMage 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Why are you wearing headphones, you are in the same room!

    • @mightyfinland8118
      @mightyfinland8118  10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's fun! (And its good for sound quality!)

  • @jeremycaufield8605
    @jeremycaufield8605 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm interested in what a 5th gen vs 5th gen fighter looks like, I would imagine radar missiles are pretty much useless, and it comes down to the merge, maneuverability, heatseekers and guns.

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think it goes down to loitering missiles and trying to use other radar systems to find the foe to guide those loitering missiles to the assumed direction where the enemy could be.

  • @ultrakossu2331
    @ultrakossu2331 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Se o hauskaa kattoa kun suomalaisessa videossa puhutaan enkkua niin suomalaiset kommentoi enkuksi

  • @ramonpunsalang3397
    @ramonpunsalang3397 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where was the discussion about the F-35?

    • @mightyfinland8118
      @mightyfinland8118  หลายเดือนก่อน

      More in the next part, coming out tomorrow!

  • @lintu25
    @lintu25 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Wow whatta man.

  • @mauri.m
    @mauri.m หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can it be expressed as every next generation is designed to beat the former one? Every generation has of course its own lifespan.

  • @henriikkak2091
    @henriikkak2091 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Keskellä ei mitään:
    Huitsin Nevadassa

  • @jussikolehmainen6310
    @jussikolehmainen6310 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mistähän syystä tossa 11 minuutin kohdalla on leikattu klippi pois kun olis juuri puhunu 6 gen hävittäjistä?

    • @toniokkolin4796
      @toniokkolin4796 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤫 hys hys. Naapuri kuuntelee nämä podit hyvin tarkalla korvalla.

    • @ZeAngrySnowmongol
      @ZeAngrySnowmongol หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Näitä valitettavasti jokunen jaksoihin tuli, mutta kuuluu hommaan, kun tehdään jaksoa näinkin ison ja merkittävän firman edustajan kanssa. Kuitenkin paljon pieniä OpSec juttuja, jotka vähän siinä rajamailla, niin kaikkien tahojen etu, että hieman punakynää joudutaan käyttämään 👍

    • @jussikolehmainen6310
      @jussikolehmainen6310 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ZeAngrySnowmongol Tätä itsekin arvelin syyksi👍🏼

  • @Troobeli69
    @Troobeli69 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's kinda funny? I have done my mandatory military service 1 year + 3 times a peace keeping mission 1 year each. Seen alot, done some and still... I feel I'm just a regular civilian.

  • @eerosuomaki3386
    @eerosuomaki3386 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Milloin toinen jakso!? :)

  • @victoreem2
    @victoreem2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Coolio

    • @Stubhose
      @Stubhose หลายเดือนก่อน

      Gangsta paradise

  • @pifase7768
    @pifase7768 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Tuntuu kuin tää podcast katkeaisi kesken :/

    • @mightyfinland8118
      @mightyfinland8118  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hiukan se tekikin, huomenna tulee lisää!

  • @brandtbollers3183
    @brandtbollers3183 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Little Fascist Speed Bumps......

  • @UpRisingDown
    @UpRisingDown 28 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Finland shouldve supported jas. Its a failure!

  • @Jani_Ikävalko
    @Jani_Ikävalko หลายเดือนก่อน

    Even Top Gun taught as that air defense picks these aeroplanes up so they're pretty much useless as a combat. U know there's no canyons everywhere where you can fly below SAM's radar ehh...

    • @herptek
      @herptek หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      The distance from which target acquisition radars can track the aircraft is significantly reduced in stealth aircraft. It doesn't matter so much in an air superiority fight over our own territory wether the enemy AD battery knows someone is there somewhere while not being able to guide weapons at them.
      If we really are going for the throat, so to speak, and take on the enemy AD installations head on there are specialized long range anti-radiation weapons for that spesific task as well as other ground attack capable stand-off munitions that can fit the interior weapons bay.
      Not everything has to be done in the hard way when easier ways exist.

    • @EggwardEgghands
      @EggwardEgghands หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Wow you're so smart. You should work at Lockheed Martin.

    • @Jani_Ikävalko
      @Jani_Ikävalko หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@herptek f35 isnt stealth aircraft

    • @apuuvah
      @apuuvah หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wrong. Only high flying radars (AWACS, fighter, UAV...) can see what's happening below. Radars need line of sight.

    • @apuuvah
      @apuuvah หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      P-troll.

  • @devobronc
    @devobronc หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stupid.
    Finland Jooning NATO: mOST STUPID MOVE.

    • @mightyfinland8118
      @mightyfinland8118  หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Nope

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah, because makins sure you have working defense is stupid. Said no one ever.

    • @dennislindqvist1265
      @dennislindqvist1265 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      From a russian perspective, yes.

  • @td6460
    @td6460 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's a plane that is too expensive for Finland and will cause reduction in the size of the defence forces in about 20 years time, just like the FA-18 did.

    • @teemup9247
      @teemup9247 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      lol, F-18 had nothing to do with reduction in the size. It was the whole Euro crisis and collapse of Nokia that caused the reforms, which in some sense were overdue. Before that the size and tactics were already somewhat old fashioned. Now, of course in the best case scenario, more mobile and better equipped and trained troops can do the same as the more unflexible larger force.

    • @MRtapio5
      @MRtapio5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Another bot I see

    • @MRtapio5
      @MRtapio5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Taitaa sulla unohtua pikku asioita mitä tapahtuu 90-2000 luvulla jotka saattoi vaikuttaa asioihin...

    • @td6460
      @td6460 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@teemup9247 Kun meikä on 20 vuoden päästä oikeassa, olette te kaikki jankkaajat jo varoitukset unohtaneet ja tilalle on kehitetty uusia tekosyitä. Sitten tilalle ostetaan jälleen uusi käyttötarkoitukseen sopimaton ja liian kallis pökäle ja homma toistuu.

    • @duhni4551
      @duhni4551 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@td6460 Katsotaan sitten 20 vuoden päästä, tosin uskon että olet aika väärässä.