😞 Verstappen DISAPPOINTED by Honda's new F1 deal
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 พ.ค. 2023
- Honda's recent announcement that it will be returning to F1 in 2026 as a works engine supplier to Aston Martin, has disappointed Red Bull. Both Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez spoke out about why this new deal has annoyed them.
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If you forgot, remember that at one time Honda and Aston Martin both had their name on Red Bull's car and now they left to make a partnership to beat Red Bull.
WOWWW. This slipped my mind
Its like introducing two friends to each other, then they make plans without you
Only reason Honda agreed to that was because the two auto maker brands were to be considered not in competition with each other. Now they will be best buddies! 🎉😂
That's gotta be some kinda irony.
@@iridium8341 because they have loads of money, ambition, and wanted to advertise to a wider audience. They bought a turn-key F1 team and hired some of the best people in the field!
To be fair the guy at Honda who decided to leave F1 he ended up dying. The new guy on the Honda board, well he decided that staying was the direction Honda would go in.
And we’d all be fine with that if it was the only time Honda have been wishy washy, but they’ve left and come back 4-5 times now, they come in, win a bit and then leave, at some point the fia need to tell them “look either commit or piss off” it’s not beneficial to the sport to have a manufacturer never being able to decide if f1 is worth it or not, it makes our sport look bad, if you sign the concord agreement that should be a binding contract both way’s, sign the concord untill 2026? Then that means you have to stay until 2026 instead of just being able to leave whenever you want, teams don’t do that in other sports and just leave randomly coz the feel like it and f1 should be no different
They've been like this for decades though. It's kinda annoying at this point.
Say what you want about them but they do keep on coming back and winning and they do it over and over again. Granted this time with McLaren didn't go so well but they eventually managed to beat the dominant Mercedes with rb in alot less time than other teams
@@roryevans4295 - oh for sure I agree. Honda has always been wishy wahsy. But the concord agreement is more for the teams vs engine manufacturers. But I get your point. You’re either in or out.
@@championxxlNL What are you talking about they keep coming back and winning over and over?
They didn't win anything in their first stint, they won everything they had upto their current team up with RBR in their 2nd ('83-'92) and they won jack in their 3rd stint (2000-2008)
They never left and came back in '83-'92.
They just supplied different teams for a decade.
Their status is inflated because they did have a good run in the 80's and early 90's but they're still only the 4th best manufacturer that doesn't hold a candle to FORD in 3rd which has almost double Honda's wins.
That said, they are making some gains with Red Bull now obviously.
Honda is like the girl that dumps you, telling you she doesn't want any kind of relationship right now and wants to take time for herself, then turns around and shows up with a new guy that looks just like you immediately after.
Damn who hurt u bro cuz the same story happened to me
So Christian Horner and Lawrence stroll are look alikes
Dont worry, it sounds like she has commitment problems. It wont be long before she does it to the new guy
@@Gdotdot090 yes, that's it. Not that aston martin uses close to the same concept as red bull. It's because the team principals look alike.
Careful, they will call you mysoginistic... LOL
The last time Honda left F1 for 1993 and McLaren had to switch to Ford engines, Senna and McLaren ended up with an uncompetitive car and the next season Senna left McLaren for Williams. This reminds me of that.
Are you saying max will leave for Williams? 😅 kidding
Well, he might if Adrien Newey leaves with him too😅
In 93 McLaren had the option of the Lamborghini V12 or the Ford V8, they even tested mules for both engines. While Senna liked the Lambo, in the end McLaren decided to go with Ford as a customer which meant they always recieved the old spec engine compared to Benetton that had the works supply, so they had a deficit of 80-100 HP at some points in the early season to the leading Renault V10. The chassis was pretty good as demonstrated by Senna and Hakkinen but lacked power.
@@mrsoisauce9017 i mean, if RB _could_ go all in, then they already would have wouldnt they? Or else, what really would be their pros on the deal with Ford?
@@lRedKill3r extra funding and reduced production costs and workload for RB, since they don’t have to worry about the hybrid system too terribly much
Easiest the biggest threat to Verstappen winning every title until his contract runs out is if the RBPT Ford engine from 2026 onward isn’t good enough. He’ll be annoyed that Honda have flip flopped and missed the chance to just keep the good times going
2026 is a long way away bruh i don’t even have plans for what i’m doing tomorrow
He gone to Ferrari 🏎️💨
Good times dont last forever
I mean, technically it’s an RBPT engine with a Ford hybrid system. U right tho, no doubt about that
Edit: so I was corrected. Apparently it is indeed a Red Bull engine AND hybrid, but with Ford assistance. What that means exactly, I have no clue. But here’s what I take out of it, and I’m sure you’ll tell me whether you agree or disagree: they’re using a Red Bull engine with a Red Bull-Ford hybrid system
One thing is for sure tho: I really need to check myself before I leave comments like this
@@mrsoisauce9017 it's technically just RB, with Ford badges
Honda is also confused about what Honda is doing
Honda will let the WHOLE company go bankrupt for the LITTLE 'Honda' logo on the car and RB / Vertappen will get ALL THE PRAISE ???
@@Dino-pk5hc That's the point. It wasn't "little" Honda logo. It was a big-ass Honda logo, until Honda decided to leave.
Then Red Bull removed Honda logo, bought Honda's intellectual property, built a f*cking engine factory, spending millions.
Then Honda kinda semi-stayed, so Red Bull put their logo back, but smaller, 'cause technically these were RBPT engines, not Honda.
And now Honda decide to stay.
They could have just decided to stay in 2021, and had their big HONDA logo on dominant Red Bull car all these years.
Now Honda have to gamble with Aston Martin from zero, not knowing if they ever become champions.
And now Red Bull have to gamble with their own engined, not knowing if they ever can produce a half-decent engine from zero.
And as you mentioned, now their engines win races, but they can't even have their logo properly on the car, 'cause they've sold their intellectual property and don't own even their own engine.
What a planning disaster by a big company like Honda.
@@NadirAgha it WAS a big ass logo because in 2021, RB did not have title sponsors ... do you think Honda will still have the big logo especially in the wings after Oracle and bytbit BIG $$$ sponsorships in 2022 ??? NO ...
@@NadirAgha RB got so many Mercedes engineers from their powertrain deportment. And Ford will only make electro part of the engine. Im pretty sure their product will be good. As Horner said after Spain "2 teams already contacted us for 2026 engine supplies" If this is true, there will be 3 RB powered cars on the grid.
Mercedes = Mercedes
Ferrari = Ferrari
Alpine = Renault
Aston = Honda
Audi = Audi
RB = RB
AlphaTauri = RB
Williams = Merc?
Haas = Ferrari?
Mclaren = RB?
Alonso is about to be getting a 3rd title in 2026. El plan is coming in hot
only if he doesnt start feeling back pains
plot twist : Lance Stroll 2026 WDC 😵
@@rirililyriri5765 I guess you are a kid. Let's fight and see how shit on himself first?
Alonso will be retired by then and did you forget that Alonso owes Honda an apology so I don't think they are in good terms.
@@cryptoronindude honda said they had no problem with Alonso
If lance stroll is still driving then I don’t think redbull has 2 much to worry about 😂
🤣
Gonna be Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull and Alonso battle
I would love a championship battle between Alanso and max
Imagine? Alonso would have to fight 3 teams by himself again lol
Fr dude ahahaha it's like Alonso in clutch position 😂
@@musa1555😂😂😂😂
Honda creating a monster and immediately going, “We can beat that monster”
Actually they did this already. Remember the fairytale of Brawn GP? Yes, the one that won both driver and constructor titles straight on debut. It existed only because Honda quits F1 because of crisis. They became Mercedes, and Honda with Red Bull eventually battled with them 2020-2021.
Alonso having PTSD from Honda's GP2 engine era 😂😂😂
Yea that’s why he won’t be around to see it. Honda vowed after that crybaby stunt Alonso pulled to never allow him to drive a Honda powered car again. They actually blocked him from joining one of their teams when he competed in the Indy500. He will be retired before Honda come to Aston Martin I GUARANTEE it
@@patrickdavis3153well Alonso was right at that time you know? Honda engine was horrible
@@patrickdavis3153 Alonso rent free in your head buddy.
@@yubakadi217that was partly due to McLaren's leadership being bullish. They essentially forced Honda to build their engine around their car. This caused it to be underpowered and unreliable in order to meet their "size zero" requirements. It took Honda 1 year at Toro Rosso to work with a team that actually communicated properly with them to figure out their issues and they won a race immediately after they put it in a Red Bull, not to mention the championship just 2 years into their partnership.
@@shehranazim4784 The hell you talking about LOL, even Redbull wanted to part away with Honda
It might've been easier to stay with Honda, but making their own engines was the right decision to be independent and to make sure they're not left without an engine if their engine supplier quits like it was the case in 2020, when Honda pulled out after only it's second year with Red Bull. You never know what Honda does next, therefore the risk to make their own engines is one worth taking.
Also don’t forget how they were on the trash Renault engines before Honda, which just sucked and the whole drama around them leaving Renault and Renault being butthurt over it. Point is, you’re right. This way their fate is in their own hands
They also „poached“ a lot of the people who thought their employer is closing the department. They have the current Honda engine and their employees. Honda themselves don‘t have a big advantage except for the name.
@@aryotaheri7421 I mean Renault engine are trash though ...They kinda deserved the backlash even McLaren said their engine was trash
@@iridium8341 And you would by crying again if they end up dominating. Red Bull still gets the engineers, while Honda leaves with their name.
@@DailyShit. they don‘t. They have a customer relationship with honda. They probably pnly have slightly more knowledge than Aston has about the Merc engine.
The current honda engine won‘t help them at all. So much nonsense from you
As long as Aston Martin still having Lance as their driver, there's nothing to be worried about
It's possible to win a WDC with only one good driver. It's difficult, but I don't think Fernando Alonso cares about difficult
Honda is exactly like my friend who decided to quit smoking!
So it's a good thing, eh?
He quit smoking but started vaping more than se smoked before so it's good but hurts to see the direction he went.
Lawrence getting the deal done!
Fr. Lawrence isn't playing!
Unfortunately, he still wants his son to have a seat. At this point, Lance should be embarrassed. What Alonso is doing is showing everyone that Lance is seriously not a competitive driver.
aston and honda may be powerful but they need to either let stroll go or let fernando pass stroll
Honda is trippin
I think this is gonna eventually work out for RB as they finally have their own engine which means even if they aren't the competetive engine right at the start, they will eventually be able to get to where they need to on their own terms, and might just venture into building road cars.
I wouldn’t be surprised to later find out daddy Stroll did some backdoor dealings to get Honda to leave RedBull and join Aston Martin
If Honda decides to build a supercar I'm confident it will out perform any high end car on the market and be more reliable...
Have you heard of the Honda nsx?
@@Sal_payne yes I knew about it..n it ripped the Ferrari of tht time to shred
If I'm not mistaken, Honda had a rough time getting their engines to perform well and be reliable.
Max certainly voiced his opinions about it, quite harshly, rude even at times, and Redbull were vocal too.
Between them they publicly threw a lot if dirt at Honda, which warrented or not obviously helped them decide to quit F1 at that time.
I guess you could call it karma if Redbull end up having issues, as they are partly responsible for the course Honda took.
The real question is… why doesn’t Aston Martin make the Aston Martin engine?
Didn't Aston Martin production cars use Mercedes engines as well?
They considered it, but ultimately decided they don't have the proper resources and personnel to have anything ready and competitive in time. In the end they decided it would be better to go with a works engine deal. They get the benefit of not having to use resources to make an engine whilst at the same time getting the exclusive access to an engine which they can make in conjunction with their car instead of having to build the car around an engine they buy from someone else
Cost .... Simple as that.
Aston can’t even make it’s own road car engines let alone a f1 unit lol
Because Aston has no idea how to make an engine let alone an F1 engine
Well thats what happens when you get a shake up in leadership. Honda’s F1 division never wanted to exit F1.
Going back to 2008... Honda is a chaos decision-wise.
No big deal. A lot of their staff is at rbpt anyways.
Redbull understands how good Honda is if they actually try and will probably be their biggest rivals
Maybe. Honda have created plenty of duds too
honda dominating at moto gp and also at f1 🙂
Dominating at MotoGP?
@@anasnaufal7861 dominated, overall on motogp honda is king. ducati just getting limelight now.
Need seb back in the aston with vtech !
That’s Honda all over though, they just do the Hokey Cokey.
In out in out and shake it all about, can’t tell if they’re coming or going half the time
Honda just being Honda. Always prematurely letting the financial dept make decisions on what to do.
so Honda will let the WHOLE company go bankrupt for the LITTLE 'Honda' logo on the car and RB / Vertappen will get ALL THE PRAISE ???
NOBODY talked about Honda when RB beat Mercedez in 2020 using their powerful and reliable engine !
@@Dino-pk5hc that wasnt in 2020, but the decision to withdraw from the F1 program was made in 2020 by Honda. Which lead to them going all in on their Power unit for 2021, which turned successful to say the least
Honda are annoying
Redbull are annoying
To be fair, RB decided to team up with Ford before AM-Honda deal. The choice must have taken into account the popularity of F1 in the United States.
Honda is a company that's always confused about F1. They left in 2009 forcing the construction of Brawn GP only to return a few years later. They said they will leave in 2021 to focus on EV but now they wanna come back to develop hybrid powertrains.
I'd be upset if I knew I was getting a Ford engine 😂
All Ford need to do is the exact opposite of what they did to Jaguar and they might score a point
But they arent getting a Ford engine? They are getting a Ford BRANDED engine. There is a difference you know?
@@pvdk4469 well let's just hope for RB's sake that Ford are a VERY limited technical partner then. Give them access to the canteen and that's it.
'Limited technical partner' is such a true statement by the standards they set at Jaguar.
@@hpracecraft I’m sure RB wouldn’t have build a 100+ million dollar engine facility just to let Ford build the engine.
@@pvdk4469 I'm sure they didn't but any form of technical partnership worries me as you inherit the decision making of a board that has never fully understood motorsport
@@hpracecraft true. But the whole reason the deal with Porsche didn’t went trough was because RB didn’t want a third party to have influence in their decision making. Think it’ll be alright;)
Aston used to be a Red Bull partner, Ford used to own Aston Martin, which also did technology partnership with Toyota, who's is Hondas primary rival in Japan. It's all a very strange set of circumstances.
ford owned Jaguar, not Aston Martin.
From AM's own history page...
"Between the years of 1991 - 2007, it was owned by the Ford Motor Company, which placed Aston Martin in the Premier Automotive Group."
At one time Ford simultaneously owned Aston Martin, Jaguar, and Land Rover.
I had previously replied to this absurd comment, but it got removed, probably because the Jabroni blocked me, which hid the comment with his tagged @ reply.
They knew that they will lost that ultra tappered rear end. That was only possible if Ford able to build the same smaller than size zero engine PU. Within 3 years…
At this poont stroll might as well buy redbull
Of course it's really disappointing as honda will make another gp2 engine
McLaren Renault and red Bull Honda proved it wasn't Honda at fault, but the partnership and/or McLaren.
or maybe if honda stays with red bull without some rather weird quit plans, it will get better performance than gp2 engine
"but the partnership and/or McLaren" (and the lickers licks this reply)
Let's just blame partnership and/or mclaren, even though we know that senna (with honda) and hakinnen, and hamilton could win championship, and even ricciardo (with mclaren) could still win a race, but alonso who is 2-time wdc couldn't win even one race with honda.
And no lickers who licks the reply about partnership and/or McLaren have balls to argue with what I'm saying
@@anaksuper_hebat Senna and Hakinnen ... so, entire other teams of people for Honda in a different era of the sport? Wow, compelling argument there 😒
Hamilton and Alonso's wins were before the Spygate consequences which lead to changes in management and likely suppliers refusing to work with them and changes within the team.
Riccardo's win at Monza came 4 years and two engine supplier changes later, when McLaren had been forced to realize that much of the "blame" was theirs for their poor performance with Honda.
Did Honda produce a great engine, no, was it solely to blame for the team's woeful performance, no. The success Honda had with RBR highlights the importance of a great working relationship between important teams of people to produce a great final product and that's something which it's reported was lacking for McLaren-Honda and McLaren clearly didn't produce a car either.
Different era of sport is not relevant argument
Several teams and engine suppliers can adapt with the situations, and rules and they could make good cars. But not with alonso and honda (and mclaren) even though they have 'good records' behind them. You yourself said RBR and Honda could make good cars
And you think honda with AM could do any better? Why? Did mercedes petronas which uses the same engine supplier beat AM for two seasons with 4-timed wdc vettel? Why do you think it will change in 2026? Just because alonso beat hamilton in few races in one season?
Okay let’s not forget that ford is a highly capable engine manufacturer
But Honda has had some of the most dominant engines ever in f1
You may have forgotten Fords last foray into F1 with Stewart then Jaguar. It was a dismal flop. The DFV days are long gone. RBR. should be concerned along with MV. The easy seasons are coming to an end for them. Then we will see the real man Max having to fight the mid field. Ask Mercedes. They have had to dig deep and are seemingly turning that chapter over.
@@gaycha6589sounds like wishful thinking. Why even make that comparison? Ford isn’t going to produce the ICE? They have a strategic partnership in which they pay RBPT for branding the engine. They will however create the hybrid part of the engine. You have literally no basis to state that the easy days are over. For all you know RBPT creates the next dominating engine like Mercedes did. Creating even easier days for MV.
Ford has nothing to do with this engine, Red Bull engine with a Ford badge.
Since when? Cosworth / Weslake were the "Ford" brains trust in the past, and none of them are around anymore ...
I mean Honda did go to REDBULL first after deciding to return but they sent them packing……
“When was the last time you washed your hands?”
“What’s that”
Honda had a shitty deal with RBR and left . Came back for a better deal with AMR
Helmut said that Honda wanted Alpha Tauri as a works team. That was the sticking point at the time as he didn’t want to lose the team.
The other curious thing is Honda have confirmed that Yuki’s seat is part of the Red Bull current deal. They’re happy for Alonso to drive in 2026, but they want Yuki to be top of the list should Alonso retire or swap teams.
Lol, 😂, if being champions is shitty then what was that with McLaren☠️
@@ctdesing everything has a cost to benefit.
This is F1s version of “She’s just not that into you….”
In unrelated news, Verstappen joins Aston Martin for 2026.
i wonder how many hondaengineers left honda to work at RB Powertrains.
i remember an interview, were they said they would take over quite some staff....
Red bull and verstappen are really scared it knows honda has the skillset and experience & team that ford just wont have.
No because most of that team moved to RBPT.
@@ChrispyNut Not sure if they’ll be moving back to Sakura for Honda now though? I doubt Honda are building a new team - they likely had a get out clause.
Helmut even said recently that Honda haven’t even shown any of the drawings etc for the unit they’re currently using at Red Bull - it’s all being kept top secret.
So they should be
@@JakeM218 All of the key leaders in Hondas F1 PU department left for RBPT. Almost everyone else was redirected to other Honda projects. Most if not all of Hondas facilities in the UK were bought by RB. So they’re already on the back foot compared to other teams.
Ford has built some of the best muscle cars in American history. Partnering with RB might just work out. Will see.
They dont need Honda... FORD PERFORMACE is coming....
So is Christmas ....
On the marketing side it’s a peculiar partnership. Although AM is in the luxury segment. Can’t blame RB they had to make their own engines and be independent. (Years ago nobody wanted to supply them)
So i remember the thing with Honda and F1. F1 did last minute changes to the rules and made it difficult for Honda to enter F1 so instead they dropped out and agreed to supply engines. BUT Honda themselves said they don't want to continue supplying the engine to red bull so within the contract, red bull agreed with Honda to keep supplying their engines to them until red bull themselves can make their own engines ( if anyone remembers, verstappen even said it's good that they are making their own engines because it's not a good engine since he kept losing to Hamilton )
What are you smoking?
Because Max knows that Honda engine is figuratively and literally carrying him.
Honda leadership changed direction due to death. Can we atleast acknowledge the truth for what it is, as if Honda is some girlfriend who cant make up her mind?
I like how u explains it to the point, and the humor too😅😅
It’s a good unit, but the concenus among all the teams last year was that Ferrari are top for power.
You can see this lower down the grid where the Ferrari engined cars have massively improved in 22 and 23 (Haas and Alfa Romeo), whilst Alpha Tauri are struggling.
The current Red Bull is strong due to its suspension design, which keeps the floor level at most points on the track.
Max is carrying Honda as much as Honda is carrying Max.
We found a Hamilton fan over here.
@@saran5263 for sure. No mention of the rocket ship merc years
By introducing the new rules for the power unit specifications it’s remarkable that they’ve decided to drop the MGU-H all together and reduce the horsepower to about 560 bhp.
At the time when Honda produced their version of the hybrid V6 engine the teams couldn’t agree on scrapping this particular MHU-H just to be beneficial to the non-competitive (to say the least) power unit package McLaren received from Honda.
All in all this debate went on for quite some time back then….
Honda exited F1 in 2020 because they weren’t winning. They did the same in 1992, they did it in 2008 as well. That’s all. And by the time Red Bull took the championship fight down to the wire in 2021, it was too late to rescind.
Believe me, Honda’s return in 2026 will be a rehash of the McLaren saga all over again!
There is an explanation about every Honda's F1 exit, just look it up before you comment.
But the new Honda coming in 2026 won't be the same as before. Redbull has taken over the facilities and most likely the staff too.
Honda isn't magical, I remember when they sucked so much not that long ago in 2017
Not the facilities, as the majority of Honda's F1 Infrastructure is in Japan
@@M4cc4n4 I'm actually not sure. Multinational companies do stuff like that all the time. The driver performance center of Redbull is in Austria, while the factory is in the UK. Haas has centers in the US and Italy.
It wouldn't surprise tbh.
@@almerindaromeira8352 red bull is not taking over the honda racing factory. They do far more than JUST F1 motors in that facility.
😂😂😂😂😂. When you haven't got a clue about F1 or the carsphere in general. 😂😂😂😂. Jesus, and you're a fan of F1? Red Bull are taking over Sakura? 😂😂😂😂😂😂 💀💀💀💀💀
Vtec stay kicking in
You misspelled “weekend”
Which is every weekend for the rest of the season.
As soon as Red Bull try to create engines on their own and they will be fkd up and end up like Haas team.
Didn’t Redbull sign Ford? It’s their fault.
The deal, which was revealed at the Red Bull Racing event “RB19”, will see Ford branding appear on the car from 2026 to 2030. In return for the yearly payment of $30 million.
Honda left them high and dry, RB needed to get some money back for the cost of making their own engines.
Honda's new deal has Aston paying them.
RB is not to blame here.
You're getting things wrong now
Does Redbull pay Honda to develop the engine? Or does Honda still have to use their own funds to develop it?
They signed Ford cuz Honda were leaving, then Honda changed their mind
Yeah but only after Honda said, they were done lol.
It's hard to believe that after the documentary that covered Mclaren and Zac Brown pretty much scapegoated Honda for their failures that season, they now have an power plant so dominant there's no question who's winning every race.
Simple really, Lawrence Stroll is smarter than Christian Horner. Verstappen doesn't help either, not a PR plus, but a spoiled brat instead.
This is one of the reasons I really hope Cadillac-Andretti are allowed in. It would be very interesting watching a new works team get in since there's a fair bit of cchaos in that game right now with Ferrari very ironically being the LEAST unstable works team right now.
Especially With the expertise and technicale experience of GM. They have the facilities to turn out a banger of a drive train quickly, it wouldn't cost the massive outlay Red Bull had to do because GM has those facillities just lying around, all that would be needed is to devote an existing team to the design and block out time to use the people and facilities they already have to get it done.
GM makes tons of engines for Indy through its Chevrolet subsidiary, which isn't too different from F1 drives. There's a fair bit of technical permeability between Indy and F1 with personnel and expertise transferring back and forth pretty consistently, so this won't be a difficult transition, and GM absolutely has the money to get a new engine done.
I know that all reports are they'll start as a customer but with the musscle of GM behind them I doubt that lasts very long.
Aston Martin could compete for the world championship if stroll wasn't holding them and Alonso back 😢
Aston Martin would have to change their entire car to fit the honda engine, so most likely it wouldn't be dominant, it's the same problem with honda mclaren where alonso and stoffel had reliability issues and more because of the massive changes
So much between these three behind the scenes. In 2016 Red Bull partnered with Aston Martin to make the Valkyrie hypercar starting their relationship. From 2018-2020 the Red Bull wore the Aston Martin logo on its rear wing as a title sponsor when Honda supplied their engines starting the relationship between Honda and Aston Martin. Papa Stroll buys Aston Martin late 2020 and officially in 2021. Aston Martin does not renew contract with Red Bull and converts Racing Point/Force India Formula One team to Aston Martin. They are not happy with Mercedes as an engine supplier. They claim their cars designs are very limited by the engines supplied and that Mercedes gets first choice of all new engines. Aside from other performance issues from upgrades the team claimed, and still claims, don’t improve their performance to getting parts that don’t hold the same durability as the Mercedes car. IMO, through back door dealing with papa Stroll Honda announces late 2020 leaving F1 due to “regulation issues”, claiming they wanted to move to being carbon neutral by 2050 despite F1 moving towards a net zero emissions deadline by 2030 announced in 2019, but will supply Red Bull engines until 2026. Early 2023 Honda announces a new partnership with Aston Martin that will allow both manufacturers to move into a new direction. They will now make their own car and overtake Red Bull and Mercedes as the number one team. Lance Stroll will become the late Mercedes era Valtteri Bottas, finishing top 5 almost every race even winning the occasional race here and there(if he can’t at least do that in the fastest ever F1 car he may finally get the boot). Fernando Alonso will win at least two more championships before retiring. I said what I said
If AM can get the aero dialed in Fernando will be a strong contender 🙂
Aston buy most of the rear of the car directly from Mercedes and this is their current weakness. As and when Mercedes develop this area - Aston can run the same parts and will automatically gain lap time.
@@JakeM218 given what happens at exposed floors at Monaco AMs transition is much easier now
Maybe Honda wants to avoid having it's good name tied to RB after what happened btw the end of 2021 and 2022. Honda is a very prestigious brand.
Nah new engines rules will make Alonso say again "GP2 engine !!".
Honda became competitive at the later half of the hybrid era. In the first half it was indeed at par with Gp2
I'm not quite sure how this will work out. Mercedes boss Toto Wolff has a fair share in Aston Martin, and road AStons use AMG engines. Now he'll have insight on a rival engine
Immortal alonso if he is staying till 2026 and beyond
Yeah it was a little bit annoying to have things turn out like this but Redbull should have known that Honda was leaving only because they were being made to by their CEO, the company wanted to stay. After that Redbull turned down Honda because they didn't want to back out of their investment. That could probe in the future to be the wrong decision by Redbull
Red Bull is wise to build their own engine. Long Term Vision. RB is thinking beyond Verstappen and Checo.
If I understand correctly, this is all Strolls game. First he made them broke deal, and then he swooped in. With Aero engineers from RB at AM. I am pretty sure they gonna be top 3 in '26
Honda is going to redeem itself.
They can throw a rocket onto the car but with Stroll behind the wheel they'll still be a midfield team at best....
GM getting into F1 is a game changer.
Honda,s new anthem song is by the Clash will I stay or will I go now lol 😂
When Honda has to make a decision they let Siri pick a number which corresponds to a certain decision
Such is life.
Honda is not leaving RB, RB is leaving Honda. Not sure why RB would be upset.
It could be a GP2 engine kind of situation.
Lawrence Stroll must've given them an offer they couldn't refuse😅
With astons wall magnet i dont think redbull needs to worry much
Hope for alonso
Think Honda wanted to distance themselves from RBR. So pulled out, while working on a new engine
I did not know Honda made those engines
Honda is that kind of ex
I would love to see Aston Martin Honda + Alonso taking WCC and WDC
“Repeatedly calling Honda out” for saying “it’s a bit of a shame” killer call out
Red bull will be successful with ford
They seem to be in the habit doing hard development work and leaving just before the success.
I was gonna say when this started I though Honda was leaving F1. That's messed up that they made a new deal with another team now their engine is performing well.
Had a Japanese professor who worked in Japan as an engineer on the bullet train. He told me that uncertainty and incomplete enginnering projects are prevalent there due to incompetent executives.
Not saying Honda are definitely having the same problem. But it seems very likely.
Its okay, the lance stroll factor will cancel out any competitive scope that aston develops from this partnership
Tbf Honda pulled out on a championship win, and also pulled out and sold BRAWN for a single dollar, which then won the next championship.
So... Honda certainly has a decision making process of sorts.
McLaren thought they would be a good partnership too.
Nothing is certain
Didn’t the redbull guys used to mock the Honda engine and say that’s why they would lose all the time?
Hoping the partnership extends to road cars. Aston are inevitably gonna move to V6s in the future and if Honda builds their motors for them it'd be legendary
Honda seem to pull this quite a lot.
oh good, we need to see some green in the front pack
Honda is one big joke.
Just wait Honda will probably quit again by then !!