I served on a Sumner Class Destroyer in 1961, USS Brush DD-745. Made a Westpac Cruise on Her. I was just a Deck Seaman then I was fascinated by the Ships manuevers and the Signalmen calling out Manuevers to the Conning Officer. I requested and was transferred to the Signal Bridge. Was Honorably Disch. As a SM2, Signalman 2nd Class. Am 81yrs now Disabled fm Agent Orange, would do it again. Proud Tin Can Sailor 😊
Funny story that's appropriate since this covers the Laffey and the kamikaze strikes. The Japanese targeting the destroyer screens and radar pickets more so than the carriers in the task force. It became so frequent that the crew of one of the U.S destroyers made a sign and put it on the deck that read quote 'Aircraft Carriers that way' with an arrow pointing in the direction of where they were at
I served on the Laffey DD 724 in the mid to late '60s. Great ship. 28 months. Medpac and all the way to the Black Sea and then to the Indian Ocean. Callsign = Wild Bull. Our song was Sam Sham and the Pharaohs "Wooly Bully". She was the most decorated ship in the Navy at the time.
I know that no one is going to believe this but I served on a Sumner class destroyer form 71 to 73 when we sold it to Columbia. I was a gunners mate with three twin 5" 38 guns turrets.
My uncle Burton Swiney was lost aboard the USS Drexler DD741, a Sumner class destroyer in action just like this. Two kamikazes hit. The second detonated the aft 5” magazine and ripped the ship in half.
I was aboard the USS Henley, DD762 from 1960 until 1964 before I transferred to the USS Canberra CAG2 to go to the west coast & ended up in Viet Nam. Look it up!
Great video...my father was a member of the original crew and was serving aboard Laffey on 4-16-45 when she was attacked, he was severely wounded but obviously survived , Thanks for posting this video.
@AlanTalbott-be7gt 13 hours ago I was stationed on the USS Franklin D Rosevelt from 1972 to 1976. During that time, we made two Med cruses. The Allen M Sumner DD692 was one of our escort ships. I remember refueling with her alongside the Pawcatuck (AO 108) fleet oiler at the same time. I remember as we refueled how steady the Rosevelt traveled through the water while the Sumner bounced up and down while riding the waves. That big 692 hull number sticks in my mind as if it were yesterday. I also got to ride the Pawcatuck for 2 days in the Med while being transported back to the Rosevelt. Lots of good memories.
I was on the USS Blue 744 during VN.. It is shown here tied up with 3 others (end of video) AND a tender. It was used as target, off California, and I was transferred to a mine sweep in Pearl Harbor in 1971.
That's really where I went when my birthday trip its head USS Yorktown USS clamagore and USS laffey it was not bad at all we went to the Vietnam Museum.
I served on a Sumner class destroyer in 1973, it was the USS Purdy DD734. In that year it was decommissioned and sold for scrap. I remember seeing the scars on the starboard side where a kamikaze plane hit it. The plane went down into the chief's quarters and killed a lot of the chief petty officers in that compartment.
excellent video and research, historical data on the LAFFY,,,, my father served on a sumner class in Korea in 1955 upon enlistment, the USS James C Ownens if i recall.and then again on the James C owens in vietnam.. then a gearing class in vietnam... " REMEMBER THE PUEBLO " A book by a survivor i think, but dads ship the USS CONE wasnt far from that ship when attacked and sunk by north vietnam.. but dad was trained in SERE by another survivor who was captured by the north vietnamese and was a POW treated horribly , thanks for this video
My Father served on the DD-707 USS Soley. A Sumner Class Destroyer. He was the Radar Man, Well, one of... After his service, the ship was at some point modified to a power generator system for some port city.. Many adventures, Suez Canal, during the Egypt/Brit/French kerfuffle.. Eventually sold to Turkey I believe. *From basic memory, I could research for more accuracy but there it is.
Some Summers also had the 5-3 mount removed, and where the FRAM2 ships had their helo pad, they had a 2 armed Terrier Missile (fore-runner of the current SM-1 missile) launcher. One of them, the USS Joesph Kennedy Jr,. is at Battleship Cove, Massachusetts.
I was a crew member on the Sumner Class DD 693 (USS Moale) serving right after FT Class "A" School (44 weeks long) in what was then "Bainbridge Naval Training Center" (just north of Baltimore MD - which no longer exists as such - I did visit a year ago!) until 1961 when I was released to the Naval Reserve...I did enjoy most of my time on that ship...got to see some of the world...particularly Amsterdam, Netherlands...had always wanted to retire there...didn't work out that way...obviously not my real name...grinz I later talke with a former crew member who was on the Laffey...told me about that and the "Ship that would not die" And as a kid, a naval ship (an LST) had visited Wheeling W/VA...had an "OKA" on display...that thing was small as I remember it...
Baka me. I remember being on that ship. If you're visiting Charleston, SC, the Yorktown CVE-15 is also there along with a submarine. I cannot recall the at the moment though. The submarine is actually being fixed up along with the Yorktown. Her flight deck is almost finished being refurbished with new materials. Other than that, wonderful video, as usual, keep it up.
A representative of the Sumner class is still not in the game. (3 Fletchers though - Kidd, Fletcher, Black) I'd love to see the Laffey in the game, I'd even buy it. (Visited it in the summer of 2016 the presentation in the rear turret was, well, devastating) E.T.A.: OK, I wouldn't know how to use it effectively, but it'd look good in the port until I did.
The only sure way to stop an Okha (Baka) is to shoot down the Betty before it launches! If you see some gun-camera film of Bettys being shot-down, occasionally you'll see something with some short wings underneath the bomber. That's the Okha (Baka).
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This is a great story about two heroic ships. But the title is misleading. Aside from a tiny little bit at the very end, this is not about the Sumner class. That was a very big and important class, which served in the U.S. Navy through three wars. Heroic as those two ships were, and however terrific the story, the story of the class goes way beyond that. And the brief reference to the FRAM program at the end is really just a teaser that will be lost on all those unfamiliar with that program. iChaseGaming: Maybe do a follow-up that actually does tell the history of the class.
And some wonder why we had to drop TWO Nukes! Had we not done so my Father would likely have been killed in the invasion of Japan on the Kanto Plain. He served Army of Occupationin Mac Arthur's HQ at the Dai Ichi. I served Iwakuni.
that is the most inappropriate, unpleasant, unethical, and gloating comment I have every seen. the attacks were completely evil. you are saying it was a good thing that hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed in a horrific way
You do realize that a full military invasion would have lead to much more death than the nuclear bombs, right? I've seen an estimate of 10 million Japanese deaths. While it may be a higher estimate, you cannot deny that a full military occupation of the Japanese homelands would have lead to easily over a million Japanese deaths. I've also seen estimates that well over a million U.S. Soldiers/sailors would have died. Not only that, but multiple billions of dollars of damages would have been done to the Japanese home islands had there been an invasion. There was also a soviet advance in Manchuria, meaning that in China, hundreds of thousands to Millions would have died, soviet, Japanese, and civilian alike. While yes, the nuclear strikes were horrible, and shouldn't be forgotten, the alternative was ten times worse at least.
+Horatio Nelson every single US general said the Japanese would surrender if allowed their emperor, which they were anyway. But still advocated for the dropping anyway. That's just evil.
Imperial Japan was absurdly fanatical and saw surrender as absolutely unacceptable. That is not in any way an exaggeration, they were arming everyone they could with everything they could, including sharpened sticks. At this point, the American commanders had two choices to end the war. Operation Downfall, a full scale military invasion of Japan that would result in massive casualties on both sides, basically see the end of Japan as a country, and quite possibly the end of Japanese culture because of how many would die in the fighting. Option two was the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which would minimize casualties on both sides, but in their opinion had low odds of actually shocking Japan into giving up. Through some miracle, it worked. Japan surrendered. And then the Kyūjō incident happened. Several officers in the Imperial Japanese Army tried to overrule the emperor, who was seen in Japan as a god, by force. They failed, and thank god they did because if they'd succeeded, the surrender wouldn't have been communicated. The decision to use the atomic bombs was in no way "evil". It was a calculated move intended to keep casualties as low as possible, like any good military operation should. America is still handing out purple hearts minted in preparation for Operation Downfall this very day.
my dad was a Fire Control second class aboard the USS Allen M Sumner at operation Crossroads. I had to find out by my own research that he witnessed nuclear explosions, he just told me he was a fireman in the Navy and didn't tell me the name of his ship or the fact that he was there, I think he was afraid because they were told to never mention it. I know that some of the Fire Control people were put aboard Target ships to put out fires and my dad was probably one of them. I also read someplace that the USS Allen M Sumner went into the target area for some reason. My dad died of cancer years before he could ever retire. There was a lot of gamma radiation there and they didn't even know about it or they knew or didn't know that their Geiger counters wouldn't pick it up. I was conceived about ten years after my dad was he radiated and I was born old. I went through puberty at about 10, when I was in 8th grade I had a mustache and when I was a freshman in high school I had a full mustache and beard and people thought I was a teacher instead of a student. I'm 59 years old now with plenty of health problems and my body is more like 80 something. Doctors are useless because they are controlled by the government now, you know what I'm talking about. There's no doctor patient confidentiality, everything they prescribe has to go through a computer in the government first and they spend an average of about three minutes per visit with you! Just like everything else the government has come to control, if you need medical attention you might as well wait until you're about ready to die and then go to the hospital, everything else is a waste of time and money. The thing is, after World War II it was ignorance and not intentional. These days, when the government takes over the medical system and destroys it and you can't get a pain pill because they intentionally and sadistically compare drug addicts using heroin and kids sneaking into their parents Medicine Chest with people who require legal prescription painkillers, Their solution is to cut off everything from everybody whether they need it or not instead of Prosecuting people who illegally sell and use drugs! Yes, I know our government sounds retarded and when you look at them and listen to them and look at what they do they definitely appear to be retarded but it is intentional sadism and I think they're stockpiling painkillers and tranquilizers for themselves. When you look around at the United States government and the rest of the world and you wonder how they can all be insane just remember my created quotation which explains it all very easily, which is this: EVIL MIMICS INSANITY.
That makes sense, the SUMNER class was really kind of transitional the GEARING is the real stand out with the added length at the waterline and the AA armament. Any word on if dual purpose guns are going to be able to fire at aircraft?
iChaseGaming oh awesome. Do you show that in a vid? I'm super curious to see how effective all those five inch mounts chucking flack are against dive bombers.
The four destroyers in the picture at 27:39 are not Allen B. Sumner Class Destroyers, they are Gearing (DD-710) Class Destroyers. I served on one; the U.S.S. Bausell (DD-845) which looked exactly like the one pictured as DD-790, the U.S.S. Shelton, a GEARING Class Destroyer. So I guess you need to do better research for the Gearing Class Destroyer is actually 14' longer than the Sumner Class tincans.
you forgot to mention its 10 21 inch torpedo tubes. 4 rear depth charge projectors and 2 depth-charge rollers do you have any videos out or upcoming for the Cleveland Class Light Cruiser? thats another American monster.
***** Yes, you are correct :) I was just trying to highlight her primary difference to the Fletcher class ships. Thank you for pointing it out though, here's a virtual cookie ^_^
iChaseGaming k thx. those along with the Alaska Class Battle Cruiser, and the Montana Class Super Battleship were my favorite units in Battlestations pacific. a small group of Cleveland's (about3) and Sumner's (about4) will totally defend islands and carriers from Air attack even from a whole players air force. its insane. and they shred light and medium warships. the destroyers can even blitz and torp Battleships to hell. thats the reason i take them over atlantas, because they are so freaking versitile.
iChaseGaming they were. but that was the problem. no heavier guns. no sea planes or depth charges.. Cleveland is better in all category's. adding to that, the Atlantas were top heavy, and were prone to capsize.
Why is this class gone? I would prefer this over a Gearing. Gearing improvements were about range and upgrades for radar and such. But non of it is implemented, while other DDs get radar and hydro making the Gearings smoke useless. Also the Gearing is soooo clumsy and big target..
I wish i could be in wows too, but wows couldn't do such a thing as if i were to be added, they would no doubt have to make an RNG thing for survivability where I would have a 50% chance to block 50% of incoming damage that is not ramming or torpedoes. And then they would have to give the enterprise the same ability... so that is why they probably didnt add me...
That was an American Destroyer one hell of a destroyer fighting for her life and she took hit after hit after hit I don't know if these modern destroyers could do that I don't even like calling the Arleigh burke-class Destroyer it's a Cruiser at best a light Cruiser bring back the spruance class destroyer for the USS Kidd class destroyer keep them displacing maybe five six thousand tons anything bigger than that loses Mobility maneuverability it cost more more sophisticated and a loss of one is too much let's call a spade a spade the Arleigh burke-class are not destroyers there cruises over 500 ft over 9000 ton displacement that's a Cruiser you can put the Aegis radar system on frigates spruance and kid class Destroyers
....yeah this is a fucking cruiser, this is definitely not a god damned destroyer, Americans always do this they always give their shit the smallest possible classification.
Kinda funny....at 30 sec the narrator says a "plethora of anti aircraft guns". I dont think he fully understands what "plethora" means lol!!! A warship literally CANNOT have a "plethora" of any armament...lol! I think i know what he means but, sheesh i think he is using a "plethora" of hyperbole....haha. Have a nice day youtoubers!!!
I served on a Sumner Class Destroyer in 1961, USS Brush DD-745. Made a Westpac Cruise on Her. I was just a Deck Seaman then I was fascinated by the Ships manuevers and the Signalmen calling out Manuevers to the Conning Officer. I requested and was transferred to the Signal Bridge. Was Honorably Disch. As a SM2, Signalman 2nd Class. Am 81yrs now Disabled fm Agent Orange, would do it again. Proud Tin Can Sailor 😊
Funny story that's appropriate since this covers the Laffey and the kamikaze strikes. The Japanese targeting the destroyer screens and radar pickets more so than the carriers in the task force. It became so frequent that the crew of one of the U.S destroyers made a sign and put it on the deck that read quote 'Aircraft Carriers that way' with an arrow pointing in the direction of where they were at
I can just imagine if kamikazies came and saw that they probably be like 'oh, um, this is new, thanks for the directions, i guess?'
I served on the Laffey DD 724 in the mid to late '60s. Great ship. 28 months. Medpac and all the way to the Black Sea and then to the Indian Ocean. Callsign = Wild Bull. Our song was Sam Sham and the Pharaohs "Wooly Bully". She was the most decorated ship in the Navy at the time.
"He had no place to go, 'cept down." That smile at 15:22 xD
I know that no one is going to believe this but I served on a Sumner class destroyer form 71 to 73 when we sold it to Columbia. I was a gunners mate with three twin 5" 38 guns turrets.
Why say you know no one is going to believe you? If you did you did. Think Positive. Enough said. 😊
My uncle Burton Swiney was lost aboard the USS Drexler DD741, a Sumner class destroyer in action just like this. Two kamikazes hit. The second detonated the aft 5” magazine and ripped the ship in half.
One wonders how much rage there would be if USN ships still had this kind of killer AA in WoWS.
Laffey is a legend for sure, i been to the museum were it is, and I had a great time on the destroyer!
There's a reason why Laffey is called "The Ship That Would Not Die."
Indeed
I’m happy to see the Laffey in my home state. Brings a cense of pride
DM-34 USS Aaron Ward (a Minelayer conversion of the Sumner Class) also took a lot of damage as a Picket. The before and after pictures are stunning!!!
As a old DD sailor from the 60s I have to be proud of these brave men.
Howard Smith why you lie?
I was aboard the USS Henley, DD762 from 1960 until 1964 before I transferred to the USS Canberra CAG2 to go to the west coast & ended up in Viet Nam. Look it up!
Howard Smith i know you Howard.. you're such i lair
If you knew me you would know that what I say is the truth. I'm not going to argue with you because I don't care what you think.
Howard Smith thats exactly what a fraud would say.. busted
Great video...my father was a member of the original crew and was serving aboard Laffey on 4-16-45 when she was attacked, he was severely wounded but obviously survived , Thanks for posting this video.
@AlanTalbott-be7gt
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I was stationed on the USS Franklin D Rosevelt from 1972 to 1976. During that time, we made two Med cruses. The Allen M Sumner DD692 was one of our escort ships. I remember refueling with her alongside the Pawcatuck (AO 108) fleet oiler at the same time. I remember as we refueled how steady the Rosevelt traveled through the water while the Sumner bounced up and down while riding the waves. That big 692 hull number sticks in my mind as if it were yesterday. I also got to ride the Pawcatuck for 2 days in the Med while being transported back to the Rosevelt. Lots of good memories.
My grandfather served on DD-692. Was there for Operation Crossroads.
Christopher McGinnis you're such a Lier
theREDdevilz22 you know why don’t you just shut the fuck up
My Dad served on the Allen M. Sumner DD 692 as well. He was a CPO/SKC. He served early to late 60s.
my great-grandfather was on a Sumner during the Korean War, so it's cool to watch this!
I was on the USS Blue 744 during VN.. It is shown here tied up with 3 others (end of video) AND a tender. It was used as target, off California, and I was transferred to a mine sweep in Pearl Harbor in 1971.
That's really where I went when my birthday trip its head USS Yorktown USS clamagore and USS laffey it was not bad at all we went to the Vietnam Museum.
I hope you appreciate what the sailors who severed on these ships did. DD-692, '64 - '66
Yeah thx man.
I definitely recommend you go. The amount of history in that place is astounding. Plus the accommodations for visitors nearby are really good
I served on a Sumner class destroyer in 1973, it was the USS Purdy DD734. In that year it was decommissioned and sold for scrap. I remember seeing the scars on the starboard side where a kamikaze plane hit it. The plane went down into the chief's quarters and killed a lot of the chief petty officers in that compartment.
I served on the USS Ingraham DD-694 in 1967 and made the Med cruse in 1968 before transferring. She was eventually to end up in the Greek Navy.
excellent video and research, historical data on the LAFFY,,,, my father served on a sumner class in Korea in 1955 upon enlistment, the USS James C Ownens if i recall.and then again on the James C owens in vietnam.. then a gearing class in vietnam... " REMEMBER THE PUEBLO " A book by a survivor i think, but dads ship the USS CONE wasnt far from that ship when attacked and sunk by north vietnam.. but dad was trained in SERE by another survivor who was captured by the north vietnamese and was a POW treated horribly , thanks for this video
My Father served on the DD-707 USS Soley. A Sumner Class Destroyer. He was the Radar Man, Well, one of... After his service, the ship was at some point modified to a power generator system for some port city.. Many adventures, Suez Canal, during the Egypt/Brit/French kerfuffle.. Eventually sold to Turkey I believe.
*From basic memory, I could research for more accuracy but there it is.
Some Summers also had the 5-3 mount removed, and where the FRAM2 ships had their helo pad, they had a 2 armed Terrier Missile (fore-runner of the current SM-1 missile) launcher. One of them, the USS Joesph Kennedy Jr,. is at Battleship Cove, Massachusetts.
OMG why have I not seen this Video sooner :D I been on USS Laffey DD724 back in 2014. Amazing Time I had that day also on USS Yorktown CV 10
My great grandpa was was on the USS Laffey during the Korean War
Damn this destroyer is FING tough as hell
Whoever made this must have Flunked Spelling in School 😂
A bit more technical data might've been optimal, but, overall, a good offering.
I was a crew member on the Sumner Class DD 693 (USS Moale) serving right after FT Class "A" School (44 weeks long) in what was then "Bainbridge Naval Training Center" (just north of Baltimore MD - which no longer exists as such - I did visit a year ago!) until 1961 when I was released to the Naval Reserve...I did enjoy most of my time on that ship...got to see some of the world...particularly Amsterdam, Netherlands...had always wanted to retire there...didn't work out that way...obviously not my real name...grinz I later talke with a former crew member who was on the Laffey...told me about that and the "Ship that would not die" And as a kid, a naval ship (an LST) had visited Wheeling W/VA...had an "OKA" on display...that thing was small as I remember it...
Thanks I served aboard Collett dd730 64-67 south china sea, they were great ships for their times.
Ricky Gilliland Anytime :)
Ricky Gilliland I know you Ricky.. you weren't in the navy, why you lie?
I served on the USS DeHaven DD 727 in 1972. Great shipmates.
My ship is shown here (USS Blue DD 744) tied up to 3 others and the tender. I spent 2 years on her until decommissioning in 1970
Hello there
Very good video, thanks for all of the work and research!
The ship that would not die that's her nickname
Exactly
Baka me. I remember being on that ship. If you're visiting Charleston, SC, the Yorktown CVE-15 is also there along with a submarine. I cannot recall the at the moment though. The submarine is actually being fixed up along with the Yorktown. Her flight deck is almost finished being refurbished with new materials. Other than that, wonderful video, as usual, keep it up.
GreatMindsofEarth Thank you :) I'll have another battleship one up soon...might be...the Nelsons, if I can find enough footage :P
Wonderful. You sir, are very welcome, but be prepared for the ticket prices. They're up there.
GreatMindsofEarth Gotcha, thx :D
It's CVE 10 not 15.
The CVE-10 sank and the CVE-15 is the second Yorktown.
I enjoy your videos. You do a great job. Thank you.
god bless the crew who perished and were wounded
A representative of the Sumner class is still not in the game. (3 Fletchers though - Kidd, Fletcher, Black)
I'd love to see the Laffey in the game, I'd even buy it. (Visited it in the summer of 2016 the presentation in the rear turret was, well, devastating)
E.T.A.: OK, I wouldn't know how to use it effectively, but it'd look good in the port until I did.
The only sure way to stop an Okha (Baka) is to shoot down the Betty before it launches! If you see some gun-camera film of Bettys being shot-down, occasionally you'll see something with some short wings underneath the bomber. That's the Okha (Baka).
So in 2014 they had the Allen M Sumner class and now they got the gearing? The Laffey (Sumner class not Benson) is one of my favorite destroyers
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Love your videos, really well done.
Steve Berger Thank you :D
HMS Drednougth the first of The Proper Battleships there must be some god footage of that
jer021297 That one is coming, but might be after I do the Nelsons
Fantastic keep up the good work
Looking forward to Nelson as well.
"He had no place to go, cept down" that smile after killed me 😂😂
when they eventually add a second line of destroyers, I can see the Sumner as the Tier IX destroyer
all they need to do is add me in the game, and give me a very high chance of reducing any incoming damage from from anything but torpedos and ramming
The Sumner would be a tier 10. There’s already a sumner tier 10 in the pan-asian line.
My old ship is shown at the end of the video. USS Massey DD778.
This is a great story about two heroic ships. But the title is misleading.
Aside from a tiny little bit at the very end, this is not about the Sumner class. That was a very big and important class, which served in the U.S. Navy through three wars. Heroic as those two ships were, and however terrific the story, the story of the class goes way beyond that. And the brief reference to the FRAM program at the end is really just a teaser that will be lost on all those unfamiliar with that program.
iChaseGaming: Maybe do a follow-up that actually does tell the history of the class.
It's so weird the Laffey has more AA machine guns than some Battleships
Epic Stuff Well some early battleships were not given many AA guns since they weren't seen as that important...as WW2 went on, that changed quickly :)
And some wonder why we had to drop TWO Nukes! Had we not done so my Father would likely have been killed in the invasion of Japan on the Kanto Plain. He served Army of Occupationin Mac Arthur's HQ at the Dai Ichi. I served Iwakuni.
that is the most inappropriate, unpleasant, unethical, and gloating comment I have every seen. the attacks were completely evil. you are saying it was a good thing that hundreds of thousands of civilians were killed in a horrific way
You do realize that a full military invasion would have lead to much more death than the nuclear bombs, right? I've seen an estimate of 10 million Japanese deaths. While it may be a higher estimate, you cannot deny that a full military occupation of the Japanese homelands would have lead to easily over a million Japanese deaths. I've also seen estimates that well over a million U.S. Soldiers/sailors would have died. Not only that, but multiple billions of dollars of damages would have been done to the Japanese home islands had there been an invasion. There was also a soviet advance in Manchuria, meaning that in China, hundreds of thousands to Millions would have died, soviet, Japanese, and civilian alike. While yes, the nuclear strikes were horrible, and shouldn't be forgotten, the alternative was ten times worse at least.
+Horatio Nelson every single US general said the Japanese would surrender if allowed their emperor, which they were anyway. But still advocated for the dropping anyway. That's just evil.
Imperial Japan was absurdly fanatical and saw surrender as absolutely unacceptable. That is not in any way an exaggeration, they were arming everyone they could with everything they could, including sharpened sticks.
At this point, the American commanders had two choices to end the war.
Operation Downfall, a full scale military invasion of Japan that would result in massive casualties on both sides, basically see the end of Japan as a country, and quite possibly the end of Japanese culture because of how many would die in the fighting.
Option two was the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which would minimize casualties on both sides, but in their opinion had low odds of actually shocking Japan into giving up. Through some miracle, it worked. Japan surrendered.
And then the Kyūjō incident happened. Several officers in the Imperial Japanese Army tried to overrule the emperor, who was seen in Japan as a god, by force. They failed, and thank god they did because if they'd succeeded, the surrender wouldn't have been communicated.
The decision to use the atomic bombs was in no way "evil". It was a calculated move intended to keep casualties as low as possible, like any good military operation should. America is still handing out purple hearts minted in preparation for Operation Downfall this very day.
+Cooper Trout do your research, and you will find Japan was willing to surrender according to all top level US staff
The video presented on the Laffey did not include the story of the Abele
Rich R. the clip of the laffey was from dogfights on the history channel , there was no documentary for abele
The Sumner class is no longer in game unfortunately
it never was
It was at one point, many many updates ago. It was the Tier 9, I think, with Fletcher being 8.
airplanemaster1 oh right. That's interesting. Thanks for telling me
Its is now...well sorta
As a TX (10) DD
USS Haynworth was sold to Taiwan and renamed Yue Yang who sits atop the Pan-Asian destroyer line
LAFFEY IS VERY VERY UNHAPPY!
my dad was a Fire Control second class aboard the USS Allen M Sumner at operation Crossroads. I had to find out by my own research that he witnessed nuclear explosions, he just told me he was a fireman in the Navy and didn't tell me the name of his ship or the fact that he was there, I think he was afraid because they were told to never mention it.
I know that some of the Fire Control people were put aboard Target ships to put out fires and my dad was probably one of them. I also read someplace that the USS Allen M Sumner went into the target area for some reason. My dad died of cancer years before he could ever retire.
There was a lot of gamma radiation there and they didn't even know about it or they knew or didn't know that their Geiger counters wouldn't pick it up. I was conceived about ten years after my dad was he radiated and I was born old. I went through puberty at about 10, when I was in 8th grade I had a mustache and when I was a freshman in high school I had a full mustache and beard and people thought I was a teacher instead of a student. I'm 59 years old now with plenty of health problems and my body is more like 80 something. Doctors are useless because they are controlled by the government now, you know what I'm talking about. There's no doctor patient confidentiality, everything they prescribe has to go through a computer in the government first and they spend an average of about three minutes per visit with you! Just like everything else the government has come to control, if you need medical attention you might as well wait until you're about ready to die and then go to the hospital, everything else is a waste of time and money. The thing is, after World War II it was ignorance and not intentional.
These days, when the government takes over the medical system and destroys it and you can't get a pain pill because they intentionally and sadistically compare drug addicts using heroin and kids sneaking into their parents Medicine Chest with people who require legal prescription painkillers, Their solution is to cut off everything from everybody whether they need it or not instead of Prosecuting people who illegally sell and use drugs! Yes, I know our government sounds retarded and when you look at them and listen to them and look at what they do they definitely appear to be retarded but it is intentional sadism and I think they're stockpiling painkillers and tranquilizers for themselves. When you look around at the United States government and the rest of the world and you wonder how they can all be insane just remember my created quotation which explains it all very easily, which is this:
EVIL MIMICS INSANITY.
The FLETCHER class is tier 9 is the beta right now isn't it?
MrGrenade McBoom Yep it is, Gearing is tier 10
That makes sense, the SUMNER class was really kind of transitional the GEARING is the real stand out with the added length at the waterline and the AA armament. Any word on if dual purpose guns are going to be able to fire at aircraft?
MrGrenade McBoom They do, DP guns do fire at aircraft :)
iChaseGaming oh awesome. Do you show that in a vid? I'm super curious to see how effective all those five inch mounts chucking flack are against dive bombers.
+MrGrenade McBoom firing proximity fused shells made them very effective.
The four destroyers in the picture at 27:39 are not Allen B. Sumner Class Destroyers, they are Gearing (DD-710) Class Destroyers. I served on one; the U.S.S. Bausell (DD-845) which looked exactly like the one pictured as DD-790, the U.S.S. Shelton, a GEARING Class Destroyer. So I guess you need to do better research for the Gearing Class Destroyer is actually 14' longer than the Sumner Class tincans.
you forgot to mention its 10 21 inch torpedo tubes. 4 rear depth charge projectors and 2 depth-charge rollers
do you have any videos out or upcoming for the Cleveland Class Light Cruiser? thats another American monster.
***** Yes, you are correct :) I was just trying to highlight her primary difference to the Fletcher class ships. Thank you for pointing it out though, here's a virtual cookie ^_^
***** There are other videos coming out, but it's a long to do list. Next up should be another British battleship, but stay tuned :)
iChaseGaming k thx.
those along with the Alaska Class Battle Cruiser, and the Montana Class Super Battleship were my favorite units in Battlestations pacific.
a small group of Cleveland's (about3) and Sumner's (about4) will totally defend islands and carriers from Air attack even from a whole players air force. its insane. and they shred light and medium warships. the destroyers can even blitz and torp Battleships to hell. thats the reason i take them over atlantas, because they are so freaking versitile.
***** The Atlanta's were probably great AA ships and anti-destroyer ships, but aside from that, I'd rather have destroyers or proper cruisers :P
iChaseGaming they were. but that was the problem. no heavier guns. no sea planes or depth charges.. Cleveland is better in all category's. adding to that, the Atlantas were top heavy, and were prone to capsize.
I Have Been Shown In This Video, So, I Present, My Unofficial Seal Of Approval!
100% Laffey DD-724 Approved
Why is this class gone? I would prefer this over a Gearing. Gearing improvements were about range and upgrades for radar and such. But non of it is implemented, while other DDs get radar and hydro making the Gearings smoke useless. Also the Gearing is soooo clumsy and big target..
They served all the way to 1975 in USN.
I toured the Laffey
Uss dehaven 68 to 72 the original dirty d
I wish I could get this ship in wows I love DDs
Kerry Verish you can see Laffey in charleston sc though
I wish i could be in wows too, but wows couldn't do such a thing as if i were to be added, they would no doubt have to make an RNG thing for survivability where I would have a 50% chance to block 50% of incoming damage that is not ramming or torpedoes. And then they would have to give the enterprise the same ability... so that is why they probably didnt add me...
Well this is no Laffey matter
619deceiver one year on and no likes.. now that's funny 😂😂
That was an American Destroyer one hell of a destroyer fighting for her life and she took hit after hit after hit I don't know if these modern destroyers could do that I don't even like calling the Arleigh burke-class Destroyer it's a Cruiser at best a light Cruiser bring back the spruance class destroyer for the USS Kidd class destroyer keep them displacing maybe five six thousand tons anything bigger than that loses Mobility maneuverability it cost more more sophisticated and a loss of one is too much let's call a spade a spade the Arleigh burke-class are not destroyers there cruises over 500 ft over 9000 ton displacement that's a Cruiser you can put the Aegis radar system on frigates spruance and kid class Destroyers
Ther not in WOWS
York Town SC been there
Adk Gamers Nice :)
WAR monger's below....
16:20 potato aim
....yeah this is a fucking cruiser, this is definitely not a god damned destroyer, Americans always do this they always give their shit the smallest possible classification.
Kinda funny....at 30 sec the narrator says a "plethora of anti aircraft guns". I dont think he fully understands what "plethora" means lol!!! A warship literally CANNOT have a "plethora" of any armament...lol! I think i know what he means but, sheesh i think he is using a "plethora" of hyperbole....haha. Have a nice day youtoubers!!!