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- Fortunately everyone was ok following a large blaze that sparked after a train collided with a tractor-trailer in Charlotte, North Carolina.
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Semi truck: Bursts into flames, completely eviscerated beyond recognition.
Train: "'Tis but a scratch!"
That SD has a lot of damage that I can see...chances are there is a lot of bolster damage and possibly frame damage.
The Fact the Locomotive was Running Long Hood Forward was a Huge Buffer for the Train Crew. Based on Size of this Unit, it tells me this was a Local train. 👍🙏
You are correct it was a local
@V12 Productions at 01:00 the portable tank is known as a 'Dump Tank'. After 30+ years in the Fire service, in both Urban and Rural areas, my departments utilized many Tanker Operations. And yes, ive responded to numerous Train vs Tractor Trailer crashes over the years. Numerous fatalities too. Just an FYI for you. Love your videos!!
Poor old Norfolk Southern just cant catch a break on all these derailments/crash.
Appreciate the info! Thanks!
@@v12productionsA suggestion for head lines:
Not great: "Train hits vehicle"
Better: "Vehicle fails to yield, is struck on RR tracks"
@SMichaelDeHart Well I don't know if you ever did any of your 30+ years of fire service in any of the Western United States but to us that set up ground tank at 01:00 was called a "Porta Tank" and the fire apparatus delivering the water to the Porta Tank was called a Water Tender. The main reason for that distinction was if you roll up on a rural house fire that's near fully involved and you need more water to fight the blaze, if you called for a "Water Tanker" the bill gets real expensive real quick and ALL HE double hockey sticks breaks loose just as soon as the Air spotter and Tanker show up and the spotter makes his assessment and directs the large Aircraft ( the TANKER ) on his drop run that you on the ground was not expecting. And generally once that tanker is loaded and goes wheels up, someone is paying for the load. So in short out West if it DRIVES to the fire = Tender, and if it FLIES to the fire = Tanker. Not trying to be mean just adding additional information. 😃
@emanonevahisey5841 Obviously, your reading comprehension and lack of knowledge of geography is showing. This incident occurred in the east and my comment related to that area.
When trucks and trains collide, the train always wins. Millions of one of steel against a little hot wheel.
actually you better hope it wins against the truck, because if it doesn't everyone loses
I don't think there is any winner here.. heavy haul trucks can easily derail a train. I-Beams, concrete Bridge beams, and Heavy equipment cause horrible crashes.
Nuh uh!!
Search for "trem descarrilhado por caminhão em Rolandia", the train not aways win
Trains win against nearly anything besides other trains.
But I bet that train will be back in operation soon, truck well it's probably going to be melted down and use to make new rails for trains to seek out more trucks to hit.😆
Boy, that SD40-3 got hit pretty hard. Glad no one was hurt in this.
The thing that's moving hits the thing that's not, not the other way around... aka, it didn't get hit, it hit the other thing
@@gorak9000 I know, I'm just saying that damage is pretty harsh.
I appreciate your very positive style of reporting.
The weird thing about the Pennsylvania crash is that news reports said that it involved three trains. One train collided with a parked train on the same track and derailed onto a second track, which was then hit by an unfortunate 3rd train coming in the other direction. So my question is for the initial collision....isn't this what Positive Train Control is designed to prevent? Why did it not work here?
That is the million dollar question! I look forward to hearing the NTSBs unbiased fact-driven findings so that we can remove all speculation and all the rumors. I already have my bets placed on the findings. (Figuratively not literally) but I will not feed I to the massive amount of speculation
It’s gotta be NS being cheap
@darryldworak6356 being cheap on what? There are so many levels of overhead from the payroll to the track maintenance and the equipment, to the administration and management, etc. And if they are doing it, Are the other railroads doing the same thing? Why would it be JUST NS? I am anxious about getting to the bottom of this and seeing some finite unbiased results.
@@SD40Fan_Jason I’m not sure the exact ways they are being cheap but it’s been seen in the past through selling off part of its fleet prematurely, one man crews, one crew was asked to tie down a train on the side of a mountain at one point and the engineer flipped out on the dispatcher askin him what the hell he’s thinking asking him to tie down a train there. A lot of derailments iv seen have been NS too
PTC doesn't prevent rear end collisions. It'll prevent a stop signal violation and speeding, but you can run at restricted speed up to 18 MPH before PTC starts to warn you.
My grandfather worked for the southern railroad, out of Cincinnati/Ludlow, ky, from 1897 at the age of 10 till 1967 at the age of 80.
It isn’t the trains fault! Drivers of trucks cars etc are stupid
What? You mean the train can't swerve to the left or right?😆. People will never learn that a train will always win!
hope the truck company is insured.
@@jeffharper7579yeah, why don't those train drivers just steer the train around stuff that is stuck on the track.
They were in a big hurry to get the train built and forgot the turn signal and steering wheel😆😆
Yeah, a handful of people in these comments have pretty much lost all common sense and blame these accidents on Norfolk Southern now because of the media. This is why truck drivers need to check ground clearance before going over crossings.
The engine isn't damaged all that bad, the paint work will probably take the longest to fix. Probably way more damage and cost when it comes to the signals that got taken out.
I'm a retired welded rail train operator on the Union Pacific head Quartered here in North Little Rock, Arkansas . Our office was in the main office building and every morning a list of all of the derailments , crashes and mishaps that happened in the previous twelve hours or so would be in the tray of the printer . When I could I'd take a copy of the report . Very interesting report to read as there was always a bunch of incidents on the entire UP system . If these reports were to leak to the news agencies the general public would freak out . Lots of chemical spills and stuff like that . Great report on this crash . Rail train operators were required rail trains when loaded with rail and I rode a hell of a lot trains while working and I really didn't like running Long Hood Forward when we had Southern locomotives but it sure was a lot SAFER
would you prefer that the chemicals be carried by truck? Plane? mule train?
Here, Sweden. I've seen (bus driver) warning signs telling: Risk to get stuck with low loaders and flat beds.....
That's a costly mistake for the truck driver. Didn't check the trailer clearance before crossing. By the time the engineer threw the train into emergency, they were too close to stop. Thankfully, everyone was ok. Remember, if it doesn't fit, don't commit.
It take train to stop by mile that how long takes to stop
@JeffWeselyan True. Trains take a mile or more to stop. Some people just don't understand that a train can not stop on a dime.
Truck drivers get hot boxed in situations, not knowing the area the signs are usually to late, then no way to back up because cars behind you will not move.
Actually I work at the plant said truck was coming out of they didn’t make the turn wide enough and got stuck in a huge drainage ditch still it’s the truckers fault
@@nicolewembley3093If it’s cars or a train I’ll take cars. The accident penalty will be lower too
I always heard that railroads ran many diesels (especially early diesels like the GP9) LHF because it felt familiar to the transition drivers. Formally they were driving steam locomotives and LHF resembles that arrangement the most.
Wow, Thank God, everyone was okay! That's the main thing.
Glad the crew and driver were ok in this incident. Speaking from experience I personally have no visibility issues running long hood forward. I work on a local that uses a GP40n most the time but we’ve had GP60 units, SD70M units and even modern SD70AH or Gevo units. Honestly I don’t even turn around in the seat, my engineer and I use our mirrors. The only time it is an issue is in curves but PTC it isn’t much of an issue and if are running at restricted speed, we just relay between us. I personally like running long hood forward for the protection factor but thankfully I’ve been pretty lucky in my career and not hit any trucks.
I get more news off TH-cam channels like yours than I do the actual news!! Love you channel Man! Keep Up the Good Work!
Good to know nobody was seriously injured as a result. People often think of tractor-trailers as the monarchs of the highway, but that perspective changes a bit when you consider that a locomotive can haul as much freight as roughly 100+ trucks.
@@howardj602 Indeed, and the locomotives use about as much fuel as one truck.
@@Stussmeister ...also do less damage to the rails than a truck does to roads, requires only 2 drivers versus 100 per 100 trucks, doesnt generate mountains of scrap tires, doesnt clog up the highways by mixing heavy freight with light cars.
@@howardj602 He said "a locomotive" ie just one; they typically run in packs.
@@howardj602 Makes sense. Trains can also go to areas not easily accessible by road or plane, and if one stalls or loses power, at least it's still on the ground.
@@natehill8069 Indeed. Some may claim that railroads and trains are no longer relevant, but I (and likely others) would contend that they are still vital today.
A friend of mine, got a video from someone who was close to the crossing and got the collision on video, as it happened, then sent it to me. From what I saw, the trailer leg's got caught on the crossing and the driver tried to reverse but couldn't move.....
That's usually what happens. High grades, long low trailers.
the NS derailment in Pennsylvania was literally in the middle of nowhere ofc no one was hurt
I worked 21 years for Chicago central then Illinois Central...I got away from CN and went to railnet....retired at 43 and started a trucking company....3 years later I'm up to 11 semis and 3 vans....this crap with semi trucks is getting worse....everytime I hire a driver I take about a week for the insurance company to do the record check....
As for them damn share owners....I own NS shares....it's 258.00 a share right now, my dividend is 1.27....yup those damn share owners!!! I only have 115 shares but damn dude....share owners are putting their own money into the company...why don't you blame the stock traders????
In my picture there I think the Railroads of BNSF and CSX and CN and CPKCS has a better record of being safe better then UP and NS
Well that is probably more based off of what you hear verses you don't hear. I mean, if I look locally, NS has a great record compared to CSX. Like just about a month ago CSX had a derailment with several cars, but it didn't hurt anyone and nothing environmentally hazardous spilt. Other then local news, I doubt many people heard about it. I think a lot of the factor comes down to big incidents like in Pennsylvania or like last year in Ohio that gain national headlines puts that railroad in the spotlight. Yea NS might have had 3 or 4 big ones, but based off of total known over their whole system, their safety is better. People tend to focus on the negative often missing the bigger picture.
My dad works for the railroad in charlotte and had to deal with this
I live right by the derailment in Pa. They got the locomotives pulled from the river and they are sitting on the side of the railway and they got the main line open again at a reduced speed to settle the new rails and stone.
Gas usual, another great video. Thanks for your videos and reporting/ narrative to go along with the video.
as someone who lives 500 foot from a NS main.over the last year, there has been a reduction of cars on the rail that sound as if their coming apart.they are crazy noisey when empty.so it seems to be improving somewhat here.
Nice to hear a report by someone who knows locomotives.
Reporting was excellent coverage. Thanks.
Norfolk Southern seems to be reversing those amazing accident rates lately
The other day, I witnessed a close call with csx I017 almost hit a bunch of cars that were on the tracks after another train just passed
Great report V12 !
Southern ran their diesels long hood forward, because that was mandated by their engineers. The engineers enjoyed the safety of steam locomotives with the cab at the rear. When Southern transitioned to diesels, that was the mindset.
Yea, I worked with all those post world war 3 era engineers that talked about steam engines and long nose this and thats but when EMD came out with the standard cab everyone was happy they could see forward and the safety cab design we see used today with the double doors is the best…don’t forget todays engines all have “ forward facing Loco Cams “ that record everything…. Today’s setup is by far the best and safest ….Hear again just like what happened in Tennessee last year the highway system has failed us …..
Always remember that trains don't hit automobiles, but rather automobiles are hit by trains.
Yep, the train always wins when darwins gets impatient and drives in front of a moving train. Never try to beat the train.
Most of the time.
Several years a car with 2 people hit a fast moving coal train after bars closed, it took a very long time to contact dispatch & shut down the train. All crossing lights & gates were fully functional.
Alcohol was involved
To phrase my comment in a different way, no one ever says that the ocean drowned someone, but rather they drowned in the ocean.
I just missed the NS 3 car derailment in Bethlehem PA. I live in Allentown lehigh valley PA. I was in jersey working. Thank you for explaining the fire dept stuff. I was a volunteer fire fighter for a few years. 2000-2003 and currently am a fire police member and a career traffic controller. Certified in 35 states and on the ATSSA site.
FRA requires that all locomotives have the letter “F” stenciled on both sides of the side of the locomotive, typically on the frame, on the end designated as the front. As the Southern locomotives were repainted, some were changed to short nose forward.
Another good video -- thank you.
Good news I went rail fanning in charlotte and the wreck is cleaned and no ash or anything left😊
I'm curious about how long the truck was stalled on the crossing and how often trucks get stuck at this crossing.
Is cellphone service available where the incident occurred? Did the truck driver make any effort to call the number posted at every crossing and notify dispatchers of the blocked crossing?
It doesn't do any good to provide modern communications and train control technology if people refuse to use it.
I work at the plant this truck was coming out of. The rr has a big drainage ditch and the trucker didn’t swing out far enough and got caught has happened before but they called the number in time this time they were not lucky there is phone service here
Norfolk Southern can't catch a break, smh!
Today there's only one reason anyone gets struck by a train. They tried to beat the train and lost! People don't get stuck on the track crossing! I've been driving for over 50 years and gone over hundreds of crossings. Not once have I ever gotten stuck! But I see people who play roulette with the train and loose! If you are so selfish and serious about suicide to play roulette on a train,if you don't get killed you loose your license indefinitely you go to jail and you pay for all the damages! That's what the law should be! Even if your motor stopped working while crossing the odds of the vehicle stopping on the track would be phenomenal! That's the plain truth no excuses!
Man that sucks, fresh out of the factory and it already has to go back for repairs😢
Everyone is quick to identify the railroads in these instances, but almost never the trucking company and their nitwit drivers who are responsible for the preponderance of these accidents. Hopefully, the trucking company and their insurers will pay dearly for their stupidity.
Yes--- why all of a sudden are there so many trucks/ trailers getting hung up on the tracks?? Seemed to have never heard about it before, but now it's every time.
@@user-mr3ct1dm9p trucking industry is like every other industry nowadays. Doesn't want to train and retain good employees and so you get whoever is desperate enough for a crappy job that doesn't know the pitfalls and do's and don't of the job like a veteran would.
great that you addressed the EMD locomotive story, and how EMD is and has always been the greatest locomotive builder in history, period. BTW EMD always called the sheet metal over the prime mover and generator "The Car Body" not the hood. That is the true signature of a newer group of rail fans, not adhering to traditional railroad terms. Hearing you say "long hood" over and over again is like fingernails on a chalk board. I come from a long history of railroaders who built railroads all over the Americas (N C and S) and worked in freight and passenger rail for major US railroads like the GN, NP, Alaska, and SP. Regardless this is a great piece. Thanks
Quality video! Thanks for sharing!
I loved running SD-40s. I’ve run the train with the long hood forward and just sat facing the train while looking out the side window and using the rear view mirror. I ran for a long time so I was comfortable running that way. Sometimes I’d turn in the seat though just to change up positions so I didn’t have to sit in the exact same position the whole time.
As a retired Engineer that uses to pick up interchange trains from the Southern in New Orleans their long hood end was the front of the locomotive. Several old heads at the time told me it was a carry over from the steam locomotive days. The protection to the crew was secondary. But I can tell you I DID NOT LIKE running long hood forward.
Headlights and number boards were still lit on the engine in the river, too. I actually thought the reflection on the water was the ditch lights shining UNDER the water. 😎
The NS symbols was 268,24X and 19G last Saturday derailment in PA. They detour 29G, 22X/288 combine on saturday, and 25A and 62V Ran on Sunday. I have photos and videos on my FB page while I was on the CSX Trenton line in Somerset and Mercer County, NJ to see it .
Also known as the portable pond -- great for initiating probies or even taking a cooling dip as long as the source is known -- we learned a bit in 42+ years of service.
CDL Dave, back at it again.
"Like a reliable old pickup truck" *Shows older GM Truck*🇺🇸👍
I bet the train crew were very glad to be running long hood forward. The apparent lack of damage to the indestructible EMD is quite remarkable
Reportedly, the main reason the Southern railway operated long hood forward was for visibility of signaling, as no matter which way the locomotive was facing, the engineer could still see the signals on his side. Crash safety was just an added benefit.
I don't know how long that truck was stuck on the tracks before impact, but PLEASE people, if you find yourself stuck at a grade crossing, before you do anything else, please look at the blue sign on the crossing signal and call the number for the railroad to inform them of the situation. They can slow or stop the train before it gets there. Once you see the train, it's too late!
1:43. Nice picture of the SD40-3. And nice truck as well 😎
3:57 Are you sure about that? As far as I recall, Amtrak gave this railroad a D- on it's ratings.
The Train Engine looking like an old Paluka Fighter with his nose laying on his cheek saying "Yeah I got hit with some good shots! but I got some good shots in on him too! Why's the bell still ringing?"
Ya know, with the plethora of train vs tractor trailer videos out there, this seems to be an all too common occurrence - and one that can be fixed in many (most?) cases by re-grading the crossings to a more gentle crest...
Question is; whose responsibility is this & why isn't it being done...?
Nice video (again) btw!👍
The rear handrails are damaged. The train was LHF, the B end of the engine was going forward.
Common long hood forward W
I live in Bethlehem where the 3 NS units recently crashed into each other and will say that NS doesn't care about track safety or what's bad I say that because there are over 28 areas' alone in the Great Lehigh Valley where the trackage is bad, and many other locals and myself see in the Future some Massive Derailments that will happen in really rich areas. One for example is the Ballast near the Town of Macungie has washed away and NS still hasn't fixed it 4 years track has lost its Ballast and the ground around the area is starting to wash away as well, township is very aware of this and when a Derailment happens there LOOK OUT NS massive Lawsuit will happen Massive. It's even scarier of what you don't hear about or hasn't made it to the News but still happens.
Good presentation.
Thanks.
I can only imagine what the visibility of the old EMD 9s
Ever noticed trucks getting stuck on tracks is very much an American thing.
Terrible crossing designs.
Where I come from tanker fire trucks are not anything special. If you do not have hydrants, you use tankers. Once, the fire department in my town grabbed three pool water trucks that were passing by and took their water for a fire.
we laterally JUST had a wreck in PA and now THIS?!
I'm glad that fire did not get out of hand it could have burned down four or five trailer parks....
Well done video!
Truck: I think I can, I think I can, I think I can
Train: I think you cant!
You mentioned an admiral engine. Are these the ones that a Navy admiral told a railroad that their ships keep their bridge windows dry be angling them backward at the bottom?
They should put camera on the front and large TV's in the cab so they can so they can have a better view. Maybe even add a zoom feature so they can see off in the distance better.
Good fortune to the crew......
Airplane black boxes, locomotive headlights and Chuck Norris. Toughest stuff on Earth.
CSX es44ah number 1972 the family lines heritage unit just got released today
Ive heard that the Southern railway chose to operate their locomotives as bi-directional, with the added benefit of primarily running long, thus adding more protection. If you think about it, why bother acting like the engine should go one way, when you can save time and set it up to do both! Bold and progressive thinking for its time
Please consider putting on the screen the letters and numbers that you speed through. This would help those of us that have not yet committed the engine type numbers to memory.
Just above or to the right of your logo would be a great place to put them; to the right being the better of the two.
Wherever you put them, put them the same place every time; this eliminates having to search for where the information will be displayed.
Also, do keep in mind that not everyone can read what is "flashed" on the screen so leave it up for as long as it takes you to read it three times. These are not words that are easily recognized. These are letter/number combinations that are a foreign language to the novice and, as such, have to be recognized by the reader.
Norfolk-Southern has had more wrecks than I think BSNF. Poor tracks.
If the roads were level with the railway lines none of this would happen .
Ive been driving Freight trains for decades. Hitting trucks is more common than youd think.
Personally I despise long hood running, but if you hit a truck, at least youve got some buffer between the truck and the cab.
I know of at least 3 incidents when hitting trucks short hood running have resulted in train drivers being seriously injured and even killed.
The train doesnt always win, despite some of the stupid comments written by people who have no clue.
With a load like that, its amazing the accident was not worse!
Yeah, imagine if it hit the trailer square on with those steel beams. I wonder what would have happened then. Also, I'm surprised trains don't seem to hit large fallen trees or branches. There are lots of big trees around the railways of the world but you never seem to hear of it.
A question I've thought about is how these railroads are able to rebuild these locomotives with new standard cabs instead of wide cabs. Are they grandfathered in or is there some sort of exemption that the FRA grants?
Well the new Admiral Cabs, although still standard cab, are safer then the original cabs and is probably the main reason. Plus, most SD40-2/3's are assigned to yard or local work now days. You won't find them, except maybe very rarely, leading a road freight going long distances. That would be my best guess on why they can still have standard cabs verses wide cabs. It could also do with being grandfathered in because there are a ton of SD40-2's out there.
It's like rebuilding an old car. It is held to the standard of its time. When you rebuild an old car, you aren't required to install seat belts or airbags.
Trains never hit trucks, they're on a fixed track, for a train to hit a truck it would have to leave the track and chase the truck down the road.
In the game of train vs truck/cars, the train always wins.
No number boards on the loco in the river, any idea of it's running number?
Where i come from the fire department tankers have a fitting for a hose. The fire trucks hook up to that and pump from the tanker. Lot easier than that kiddie pool contraption.
I wonder what the model and make of the tractor was. Newer Freightliner Cascadia's and Concordia's have an auto-tranny that is notorious for giving driver's issues when having to stop or slow or near slight grades such as RR crossings.
Right... has nothing to do with a low slung trailer crossing a high grade...
Lots of crazy transportation accident / incident stuff going on in this early 2024 year so far... Planes, Trains, & Trucks!!!
The fact that there were no injuries to the train crew, or the driver of the tractor and trainer is good news. I wonder if the train crew would have seen that the trailer was stuck on the tracks sooner if they were running short hood forward.
It’s possible they might have seen it sooner, but even with a few extra seconds of visual confirmation the train still would’ve hit the tractor trailer.
They saw it I know the engineer personally he got it slowed down enough but it was a local with a pretty good sized train that hit it so they couldn’t get stopped in time
The technical term for a corporate press release is "Pack of lies"
Everything a company says publicly is aimed to make themselves look better and downplay their screwups. Not always "lies" exactly, but absolutely misleading and full of fluff.
Great Video.
Abet the crew was glad they were running long hood forward.
How long was the truck on the track before the train came along? Did the driver immediately call the number on the blue-and-white card posted on every US crossing to stop the train?
Would it be possible to equip a camera to the front of the long-hood to improve visibility for the engineer, similar to how newer cars have a video screen for when the car is in reverse?
So when tankers are needed like that they empty in to a porta pond and the engine pumper sucks out of the porta pond giving the firefighters plenty of pressure for fighting the fire
Why fail to explain why the tractor-trailer was hit? High centered? Stalled while crossing? Some wheels went off the road and it became stuck? How long stuck before the train arrived?
Should have close and farsighted cameras mounted at rhe front.
Should have SOME SORT of emergency shut off or an 24/7 800 # with a crossing number posted at EVERY crossing that can shut down any train anywhere.
It may have been asked and answered and sorry if I missed it but do these railroads sue the drivers for damages after a collision like this? In the case of car accidents where the other driver is proven at fault, the driver and insurance companies definitely go after the person at fault. This is ridiculous, I mean the number of train vehicle collisions which are almost always the fault of either impatient drivers, people not paying attention to crossing warnings or signs, or drivers not using caution when approaching a railroad crossing.
In the eternal struggle between train and truck, train has yet to lose, and the tie always goes to the train.
Tell that to the two Pacific National drivers killed last year when they hit a truck.
The engineer and conductor are certainly fortunate they were running long hood forward. Protected them from the flame.
Who was riding in the truck with the driver ,Mayhem from Allstate?