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@@YaBoyRockLee that doesn't help your case. Assume I'm wrong and she doesn't know. If you're right and she doesn't care, what difference would it make if Amanda told her? As Sam said, regardless of what Tory's been through, it doesn't justify her behavior.
Sam has ZERO REASON to trust Tory. Why would she believe being nice to Tory would help? Sam simply stated the truth. *"Leave me alone, cuz I'm out of excuses to not kick your ass."*
Yeah. Sam basically reminds me of characters who’ve just finally snapped and has had enough. I mean, Tory tried to attack her twice, and at her house. So Sam doesn’t really owe Tory anything.
@Daddy deepdic DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW??? A hungover Sam (Pressured into drinking by Tory) kicked an armed Tory over the railing. At the house, an armed Tory once again was beaten by Sam, who disarmed her and had her pinned against the wall, where she 100% could have hurt her. Hawk rescued Dimitri, NOT Sam. Add in the tourney, it's 3-0 Sam.
@Daddy deepdic Rescue Tory, you mean? Sam had just disarmed her, and if Hawk and the others hadn't shown up when they did, Tory was just one smart-ass remark away from getting her head bashed in with a bo staff.
Honestly I think Miguel and Tory need to apologize to each other cause Miguel cheated on Tory and he didn’t even apologize and Tory started the fight and took it to far 🙌🏼
To be honest I always thought Tory was quite stupid and she had no business getting mad over that. Like sure they were dating but before they dated she knew he wasn’t over Sam and her advice to him to get a girl back was to act like you’re totally over her, sure in her own interest but still. She was literally setting herself up to be a rebound and then she acts all shocked when it happened.
@@andythierry5402 or miguel could’ve just stuck to his guns and not date tory if he liked sam so so much 😭 not people excusing cheating because the fight went to far
I’m not sure if Tory ever really “blamed” Miguel for cheating on her/kissing Sam, at least she didn’t assign him the primary blame/responsibility. Sam was the main target of her ire (hence why Tory hijacked the school speakers and sparked the school fight). Anyways it is interesting seeing Sam take a reasonable/good lesson from Aisha (i.e. proactively setting/establishing boundaries for yourself and with other people) but applied it in like the most antagonistic way possible. Johnny being a social time capsule from the 80s is always good comedy though. The debate team girl looks like a fun character though.
@Daddy deepdic Regardless of whether Sam was a spoiled princess type or not, what Tory did in the season 2 and 3 finales went far beyond “giving someone hands” (like Tory was definitely trying seriously maim Sam), and completely disproportionate to the sins Sam committed. And again Tory is extremely lucky the LaRussos didn’t press charges against Tory and the other students for breaking and entering and assault on private property, the fact that Tory is able to grow from the extremity she was in (which helped by Amanda being able to empathize with her) is a testament to the show’s writing.
@Daddy deepdic My original comment wasn’t about whether Miguel should or shouldn’t apologize to Tory for kissing Sam. It was about how much responsibility Tory assigned to Miguel in the first place, which was minimal compared to what she assigned to Sam. Also after Miguel nearly died/was almost permanently disabled due to the consequences of the fight Tory started, I don’t think Tory really feels like she can/could demand an apology from Miguel after that since he was the one who suffered the most dire immediate consequences (to his physical health at least) after the Season 2 finale.
@Daddy deepdic WON at school. WON at house. End of story. Even Tory knew it. That's why "I'll kick your ass for a third time" rattled Tory. She knows Sam's a better fighter, and her yearlong advantage of scaring the "spoiled princess" was over.
@Daddy deepdic No, she had disarmed Tory, and had her up against the wall with her weapon. THEN Miguel/Hawk/Demetri ran in. You seriously need to watch that scene again.
Sam should've been in the room, or at least heard, when Amanda told Daniel about what she did and about the support Tory needs. I think the "I'm coming for you bitch," was a reference to the Season 2 finale when Tory said the same thing over the intercom before the fight.
Yeah, Sam wasn't threatening Tory, but the way she said it was intimidating and provoking. Sometimes how you say something is more important than what you say.
THIS is the episode where I admitted my daughter's *"Kreese will adopt Tory and her brother"* theory wasn't just possible, but was probably right all along. His season 3 backstory (crap job, dead mother) was no coincidence.
@@andreadeamon6419 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is messed up, but my daughter (Team Tory) has created so many ways Tory would intentionally piss Sam off. *"I'll go clothes shopping with you girls Amanda. We can go to the adult section while Sam's in the juniors department."*
Every student from Cobra Kai vs Eleven from Stranger Things, they have prior knowledge of her ability, they have all weapons they’ve respectively been shown using in show, and Eleven cant kill.
@@Sephiroth766 Cobra Kai Karate is how 😂 Nah but in all seriousness, Eleven’s abilities are op but if she’s being held back by morals and it’s like 20+ kids who seem to be skilled martial artists already, I think at least one could touch her, maybe not hit, but graze her 🤷♀️
I don't know WTF to think about Amanda. She's 100% doing a great thing for Tory, but even my daughter (12 and Team Tory) can admit it's killing her daughter in the process. Tory's gaining control while Sam's losing it.
I sometimes wonder where this professional and regular help Amanda wants to give the girl who tried to kill her daughter twice, is for Sam? Who clearly is also still going through some ptsd. But I guess since Sam was born rich, it doesn’t really matter what Tory did to her 🤷🏻♂️ which seems to be the free pass everyone wants to go to. Sam’s rich, so it doesn’t matter what Tory does to her. Tory has problems, so she’s free from any problems she’s caused.
Amanda doesn't realize it because she and Daniel honest to goodness thinks they did everything right in raising Sam. To a degree, they did, but they forget that they're all in a very privileged standing and Sam never got a taste of the lesser fortunate situations. Sam wasn't prepared to handle what she's in now and Amanda doesn't even realize that they did such a good job at raising a daughter that she doesn't realize she's still got growing up to do.
@@Kayoss13212 That will addressed in the next couple of episodes. The Larussos have a counselor in the family and so the Larussos will learn more about their childrens' behavioral problems.
It's badly written. Julie from the next Karate Kid has much more in common with Tory. It shouldn't have been written to be Amanda helping her. But I guess they don't want to introduce Julie yet (assuming she's supposed to make a return)
@@The2Coolest2 I'm with you. I think they're also loving the idea of Sam and Tory switching personalities for a while. Sam becomes season 3 violent Tory and vice versa. It IS interesting, but a serious stretch to say the least.
@Rick King 22 that’s not at all related to the comment I was responding to. Sam’s just not built to be intimidating, just the ending of that episode is slightly ridiculous to me
I just realised something. Its funny after several rewatches of this show just coming to this now. Sam and Tory kinda loosely parallel Sakura (Naruto) and Zuko (Avatar the last airbender) respectively. Sam like Sakura is a character introduce with skill but early on rarely acts or develops on it as a character. Then later when she does develops becomes frustrating of a character to follow; often doing misguided actions or failing to follow through on things. Tory like Zuko is comes from a tragic background involving her family. She goes about doing the wrong actions with anger and short sight. Slowly by the guidance of someone older she starts to develop from antagonist to protagonist. Now the reason I make these comparison is for a long time I couldn't put into words my own thoughts on S4 Tory & Sam story. In this season I can say I started to like Tory, while with Sam it is solidified I don't like her. Which mirrors how I feel about Zuko and Sakura. Like Zuko's overall character and development even though he started off rough for me, while with Sakura I wasn't into from the beginning and by the end I despise her as a character.
"You were a hothead. All I had to do was wind you up and get out of the way. And if you're being honest with yourself, you know you liked it. You were powerful. Free. You just don't want to admit there's always been a little Cobra Kai in you." CHILLS
It’s a fact that it’s still an unfair advantage for the males if they were to go up against females in a tournament like this. Even if it is only one point for getting a hit.
I'm sorry. That nobody should fight stuff is b.s. Combat sports are training to keep soldiers in shape. Traditionally. Humans are violent animals. We just don't engage. Consequences. We need to express that side of us. It's part of who and what we are. Like you said in a contrilled environment it's actually healthy. Just pretending to be above our humanity makes us less. Weakens us emotionally. We become unbalanced especially holding it in. Repressing. Instincts aren't wrong. Instinct without contemplating and mindful decision making is the problem. Demitri finally gets it. He grew into himself and recognized Eli has grown. He gets it now. Sometimes it takes. PS. The Mook jong, mawaki, training posts, etc are a vehicle for bone and skin hardening. It is a exercise in focus, pain tolerance and endurance. Larusso was a wimp. It is a traditional conditioning tool everywhere but the US. This franchise sets it up as torture. LMAO Miyagi Sensei is SHDH😂😂😂
finally the big reveal... Amanda who's been the "rock of reason" this entire time... she too is flawed and has issues... just like everyone... but she's been hiding it well, behind her witty puns and etc non-fantasy reason parody of the stuff that goes on in the show, the first hint, or maybe breaking back into her old self, was her aggressively confronting kreese and slapping him... and now, she reveals her dark past, at long last... even Amanda is no different from everyone else in this show... and taking a bat to a car within someone in it... almost the same as with louie getting those bikers to smash and burn johnny's car way back in whatever the season (1? or 2?, meh)
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Sam already knows Tory's backstory.
Last season, when she visited Miguel in the hospital:
"Everyone has a sob story. It's no excuse to be a bully."
That doesn’t mean she knows. Means she doesn’t care at the very least though
@@YaBoyRockLee Agreed. Miguel didn't even get out a full sentence out cuz recently stitched up Sam didn't GAF. I can't blame her though.
@@YaBoyRockLee that doesn't help your case. Assume I'm wrong and she doesn't know. If you're right and she doesn't care, what difference would it make if Amanda told her? As Sam said, regardless of what Tory's been through, it doesn't justify her behavior.
I mean that wasn't really bullying, it was just more of a warning to not start shit again.
bullying
seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable).
Folks don’t realize how loosely the word bully can be applied.
Love what the show has done with Tory's arc. She's honestly become my favorite character.
Sam has ZERO REASON to trust Tory. Why would she believe being nice to Tory would help? Sam simply stated the truth.
*"Leave me alone, cuz I'm out of excuses to not kick your ass."*
Yeah. Sam basically reminds me of characters who’ve just finally snapped and has had enough. I mean, Tory tried to attack her twice, and at her house. So Sam doesn’t really owe Tory anything.
@Daddy deepdic DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW??? A hungover Sam (Pressured into drinking by Tory) kicked an armed Tory over the railing. At the house, an armed Tory once again was beaten by Sam, who disarmed her and had her pinned against the wall, where she 100% could have hurt her. Hawk rescued Dimitri, NOT Sam. Add in the tourney, it's 3-0 Sam.
@Daddy deepdic Rescue Tory, you mean? Sam had just disarmed her, and if Hawk and the others hadn't shown up when they did, Tory was just one smart-ass remark away from getting her head bashed in with a bo staff.
Honestly I think Miguel and Tory need to apologize to each other cause Miguel cheated on Tory and he didn’t even apologize and Tory started the fight and took it to far 🙌🏼
agreed
Agreed
To be honest I always thought Tory was quite stupid and she had no business getting mad over that. Like sure they were dating but before they dated she knew he wasn’t over Sam and her advice to him to get a girl back was to act like you’re totally over her, sure in her own interest but still. She was literally setting herself up to be a rebound and then she acts all shocked when it happened.
@@andythierry5402 I get what ur saying but I think it would really help if Miguel apologized
@@andythierry5402 or miguel could’ve just stuck to his guns and not date tory if he liked sam so so much 😭 not people excusing cheating because the fight went to far
Lee: “Nah I got faith in her”
*Sam becomes the bully*
Lee: “YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!”
Sam telling tory straight up to not mess with her isn't considered bullying. But I get what ur trying to say
@@luisbarrera2892 Tory legit just went up to give thanks for being allowed back. Sam immediately went hostile and aggressive.
@Jake Collins it is bullying are you high
@@TimedRevolver so, u can’t blame her with what tory has done to her. She clearly can’t trust her. And she just gave her a warning so no big deal
@@luisbarrera2892 The entire point is she missed the lesson she should have learned from the whole 'strike first' anecdote.
I’m not sure if Tory ever really “blamed” Miguel for cheating on her/kissing Sam, at least she didn’t assign him the primary blame/responsibility. Sam was the main target of her ire (hence why Tory hijacked the school speakers and sparked the school fight).
Anyways it is interesting seeing Sam take a reasonable/good lesson from Aisha (i.e. proactively setting/establishing boundaries for yourself and with other people) but applied it in like the most antagonistic way possible.
Johnny being a social time capsule from the 80s is always good comedy though. The debate team girl looks like a fun character though.
@Daddy deepdic Regardless of whether Sam was a spoiled princess type or not, what Tory did in the season 2 and 3 finales went far beyond “giving someone hands” (like Tory was definitely trying seriously maim Sam), and completely disproportionate to the sins Sam committed. And again Tory is extremely lucky the LaRussos didn’t press charges against Tory and the other students for breaking and entering and assault on private property, the fact that Tory is able to grow from the extremity she was in (which helped by Amanda being able to empathize with her) is a testament to the show’s writing.
@Daddy deepdic My original comment wasn’t about whether Miguel should or shouldn’t apologize to Tory for kissing Sam. It was about how much responsibility Tory assigned to Miguel in the first place, which was minimal compared to what she assigned to Sam. Also after Miguel nearly died/was almost permanently disabled due to the consequences of the fight Tory started, I don’t think Tory really feels like she can/could demand an apology from Miguel after that since he was the one who suffered the most dire immediate consequences (to his physical health at least) after the Season 2 finale.
@Daddy deepdic Spoiled princess is 3-0 vs tough Tory.
@Daddy deepdic WON at school. WON at house. End of story. Even Tory knew it. That's why "I'll kick your ass for a third time" rattled Tory. She knows Sam's a better fighter, and her yearlong advantage of scaring the "spoiled princess" was over.
@Daddy deepdic No, she had disarmed Tory, and had her up against the wall with her weapon. THEN Miguel/Hawk/Demetri ran in. You seriously need to watch that scene again.
Everyone saying Sam is the bad guy I give them the middle finger
Amanda is, w/o a doubt, the MVP of the LaRusso family.
I challenge you to explain how that is?
Sam should've been in the room, or at least heard, when Amanda told Daniel about what she did and about the support Tory needs. I think the "I'm coming for you bitch," was a reference to the Season 2 finale when Tory said the same thing over the intercom before the fight.
Yeah, Sam wasn't threatening Tory, but the way she said it was intimidating and provoking. Sometimes how you say something is more important than what you say.
Well said
Sam laid down the boundaries, plain and simple.
Johnny spitting feminism is one of my favorites parts from this season.
THIS is the episode where I admitted my daughter's *"Kreese will adopt Tory and her brother"* theory wasn't just possible, but was probably right all along. His season 3 backstory (crap job, dead mother) was no coincidence.
Could you imagine if the larussos adopt them? That's a story there!!
@@andreadeamon6419 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 This is messed up, but my daughter (Team Tory) has created so many ways Tory would intentionally piss Sam off.
*"I'll go clothes shopping with you girls Amanda. We can go to the adult section while Sam's in the juniors department."*
Every student from Cobra Kai vs Eleven from Stranger Things, they have prior knowledge of her ability, they have all weapons they’ve respectively been shown using in show, and Eleven cant kill.
How do they counter telekinesis?
@@Sephiroth766 Cobra Kai Karate is how 😂
Nah but in all seriousness, Eleven’s abilities are op but if she’s being held back by morals and it’s like 20+ kids who seem to be skilled martial artists already, I think at least one could touch her, maybe not hit, but graze her 🤷♀️
10:47 This was a huge step for Tori! 👏
Next season Eli will get a rainbow mohawk. LOL! 🤣🤣🤣
9:41 no Johnny noo 😂😂
20:20 bruh Sam took Aisha's advice and blew it way out of proportion L Sam really
I really liked Tory and Sam both this season. The writers do a good job.
I couldn’t take Sam seriously with the stars shirt 😂
I don't know WTF to think about Amanda. She's 100% doing a great thing for Tory, but even my daughter (12 and Team Tory) can admit it's killing her daughter in the process. Tory's gaining control while Sam's losing it.
I sometimes wonder where this professional and regular help Amanda wants to give the girl who tried to kill her daughter twice, is for Sam? Who clearly is also still going through some ptsd. But I guess since Sam was born rich, it doesn’t really matter what Tory did to her 🤷🏻♂️ which seems to be the free pass everyone wants to go to. Sam’s rich, so it doesn’t matter what Tory does to her. Tory has problems, so she’s free from any problems she’s caused.
Amanda doesn't realize it because she and Daniel honest to goodness thinks they did everything right in raising Sam. To a degree, they did, but they forget that they're all in a very privileged standing and Sam never got a taste of the lesser fortunate situations. Sam wasn't prepared to handle what she's in now and Amanda doesn't even realize that they did such a good job at raising a daughter that she doesn't realize she's still got growing up to do.
@@Kayoss13212 That will addressed in the next couple of episodes. The Larussos have a counselor in the family and so the Larussos will learn more about their childrens' behavioral problems.
It's badly written. Julie from the next Karate Kid has much more in common with Tory. It shouldn't have been written to be Amanda helping her. But I guess they don't want to introduce Julie yet (assuming she's supposed to make a return)
@@The2Coolest2 I'm with you. I think they're also loving the idea of Sam and Tory switching personalities for a while. Sam becomes season 3 violent Tory and vice versa. It IS interesting, but a serious stretch to say the least.
I like that Terry reminds Daniel there that he was a Cobra.
Me too. Daniel was a hot-head before he even met Miyagi and all Silver's lessons did was inspire him to embrace that.
Sam girl ant no body scared of u
FACTS👏👏
@Rick King 22 she kiss Miquel Sam plays the victim she should die shut Sam started that Tory did right
The most facts I’ve ever heard in a sentence
@Rick King 22 that’s not at all related to the comment I was responding to. Sam’s just not built to be intimidating, just the ending of that episode is slightly ridiculous to me
Also why you replying to a reply about a comment you don’t like, reply the the comment buddy
I just realised something. Its funny after several rewatches of this show just coming to this now. Sam and Tory kinda loosely parallel Sakura (Naruto) and Zuko (Avatar the last airbender) respectively.
Sam like Sakura is a character introduce with skill but early on rarely acts or develops on it as a character. Then later when she does develops becomes frustrating of a character to follow; often doing misguided actions or failing to follow through on things.
Tory like Zuko is comes from a tragic background involving her family. She goes about doing the wrong actions with anger and short sight. Slowly by the guidance of someone older she starts to develop from antagonist to protagonist.
Now the reason I make these comparison is for a long time I couldn't put into words my own thoughts on S4 Tory & Sam story. In this season I can say I started to like Tory, while with Sam it is solidified I don't like her. Which mirrors how I feel about Zuko and Sakura. Like Zuko's overall character and development even though he started off rough for me, while with Sakura I wasn't into from the beginning and by the end I despise her as a character.
10:31 Bless Johnny 🤦♂️😂
"You were a hothead. All I had to do was wind you up and get out of the way. And if you're being honest with yourself, you know you liked it. You were powerful. Free. You just don't want to admit there's always been a little Cobra Kai in you."
CHILLS
Sam won The School fight (kicked Tory over the steps reeling)
2nd one Same won was The season 3 Finale Dojo fight
It’s a fact that it’s still an unfair advantage for the males if they were to go up against females in a tournament like this. Even if it is only one point for getting a hit.
So Bert has an advantage against Sam or Tory? This is karate not wrestling.
no?
@@havok6280
Bert is way too small, so no. But Hawk, Miguel, Robby, etc. yeah the girls have no chance
I'm sorry. That nobody should fight stuff is b.s. Combat sports are training to keep soldiers in shape. Traditionally. Humans are violent animals.
We just don't engage. Consequences. We need to express that side of us. It's part of who and what we are. Like you said in a contrilled environment it's actually healthy.
Just pretending to be above our humanity makes us less. Weakens us emotionally. We become unbalanced especially holding it in. Repressing. Instincts aren't wrong. Instinct without contemplating and mindful decision making is the problem.
Demitri finally gets it. He grew into himself and recognized Eli has grown. He gets it now. Sometimes it takes.
PS. The Mook jong, mawaki, training posts, etc are a vehicle for bone and skin hardening. It is a exercise in focus, pain tolerance and endurance. Larusso was a wimp. It is a traditional conditioning tool everywhere but the US. This franchise sets it up as torture. LMAO
Miyagi Sensei is SHDH😂😂😂
Lol
finally the big reveal... Amanda who's been the "rock of reason" this entire time... she too is flawed and has issues... just like everyone... but she's been hiding it well, behind her witty puns and etc non-fantasy reason parody of the stuff that goes on in the show, the first hint, or maybe breaking back into her old self, was her aggressively confronting kreese and slapping him... and now, she reveals her dark past, at long last... even Amanda is no different from everyone else in this show... and taking a bat to a car within someone in it... almost the same as with louie getting those bikers to smash and burn johnny's car way back in whatever the season (1? or 2?, meh)
She’s a little different but yeah lol
Right, and when you think about it, Manda's the reason why the Miguel and Robby rivalry got started.
Sam is becoming undefensible
Nope what she did is completely justified
I never like Sam through out the whole series of her 😂
She has good reasons to do what she did
I can understand that cause they still kids but damn learn to let it go where the parents at
@@ReincitedHD Parents spoiled her.
@@omgbygollywow yea I didn’t want to say bad parents but yea definitely spoiled
Sam parents need to kick her out she disrespectful
Full support
damn first im mad early
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