How to Use Craftworld Eldar Fire Dragons In 10th Edition-“An Aspect Warrior Series”
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ต.ค. 2024
- We are talking Fire Dragons today! One of my favorite units of all time but how do they stack up in 10th? Enjoy!
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"What's your aspect shrine about?"
"Just this gun. The entire shrine is about this gun."
"How does that work?"
"You and four of your friends hop in a Falcon, then end up next to a land raider. Everyone jumps out and pulls the trigger as fast and often as possible."
"Uh.."
"If all goes well, in moments all that will remain will be wreckage and one confused survivor, who will charge and punch you and your friends to death."
"That sounds pretty bad."
"The worst part is that some Autarch will look at this and say 'Good Trade!'"
"I think I'm going to go be a War Walker pilot."
"Fucking Autarchs."
Lmfao 🤣 exactly!!!
"Fwaygan" for Fuegan makes perfect sense when you consider the spanish word for fire is "fuego" (fwaygo), it's always how I've said it.
Yep! Just sounds right!
Fire Dragons, first unit I ever purchased about 25 years ago.
They are a classic!!
My favourite Aspect Warriors! I love these things, even if they haven't always been the best pick. The firepike is just badass.
Hopefully one day they will get an updated sculpt too.
Ikr? I’m hoping that all aspects get updated as well we need it!
I can't even get any atm, they're all out of stock
@@EliWintercross Look for them on eBay you can usually find a unit for cheap
@ProxyHammer1 I managed to pick up a Wraithlord and Dire Avengers, new on sprue for well under the retail price, so pretty happy with that, just haven't managed to get Fire Dragons.
@@EliWintercross Patience is a virtue on them but ya I agree they are hard to get. I got mine for 15$ last edition on eBay, had to strip them but because they were metal they were easy to strip thankfully
I like these videos. Allways ends up inspiring some ideas for tactics of my own. Wave serpents can potentially carry two 5 man squads, having to squads of fire dragons could solve the overwatch problem (first squad out wont be happy though)
Thanks I’m glad they are helping! Having two units does indeed solve the Overwatch issue but costs a lot more points! I’m hoping to make a video eventually covering Overwatch and how to get around it
Fire? I like fire!
Me too 😏 flamer units have always excited me!!
Thanks for the big push getting all this info out these last few days!
Absolutely! Plan to keep this pace up while I can!
PH you're really killin it getting this much content out this quickly! Wtg!
Absolutely man going to cover the whole index in depth with different list ideas mixed in! There is a lot to cover!
Great insight on this cool unit, thanks!
My pleasure! My favorite aspect!
The problem with Fire dragons at present, is that there are better alternatives for the cost. The real problem with Dragons is that they need a transport to be effective. That makes them expensive for their use.
When using Overwatch, can't you wait until the end of your opponents movement phase to shoot? That's what we've done.
WHEN: Your opponent’s Movement or Charge phase,
just after an enemy unit is set up or when an enemy
unit starts or ends a Normal, Advance, Fall Back or
Charge move.
We've always used overwatch at the end of your opponents movement phase. From RAW, you are certainly correct. I'm inclined to believe your use is completely correct as well, one that I will use in our group. The only caveat I have to your tactic is that Dragons and a Falcon are a minimum of 225pts. That's a substantial amount tied up in a diversion.
The Falcon is it’s own thing though too and very strong for the cost. I use fire and fade to bring it back to safety once the dragons do their thing.
Ya Overwatch is done individually after or when each unit moves (starts or ends not in between either). How a lot of people are doing it gives so much power to the Overwatching player when it’s not designed that way.
@@ProxyHammer1 It does make more sense the way you've stated. Unfortunately, dragons relying on a transport are not in the same League as Fire Prisms.
I went 7-1 at the Tacoma Open (Captains bracket winner) and my list included Fuegan and Fire Dragons. Fuegan is especially good and I'll be bringing them competitively going forward
Nice job man! I knew there was something to them honestly they have a very solid datasheet!
@@ProxyHammer1I bring them with a falcon. I start it on the board and it usually goes up a flank. The Avatar usually holds down the middle to stall my opponents. Fuegan getting back up is extremely good, as is his beam attack + fate dice or simply getting lucky
@@coldsteel.and.courage That’s exactly what I do with them too minus the Avatar! It works great!
@@ProxyHammer1 give that Avatar a shot, he's one of our nastiest overwatch units. Fate 6 for sustained hits D3 really packs a punch at 6+2 damage (same reason I like Fuegan (3 attack beam with sustained D3 does some serious work). That's why I think Fuegan is an auto include for dragons is he gives the squad a really nice play into bigger infantry units. At the Open he was a key unit for my victory into GSC (which is a ludicrously tough army to play into when they run the meta list).
@@coldsteel.and.courage I really do need to run the avatar again this edition! He is absolutely awesome!
Just bought a metal Fuegan on eBay after watching this. My wallet hates you but my fun double falcon/fire dragon list loves you... 😂
Dude I’ve been looking for one under 30$ for months! He is worth every penny don’t worry!
@@ProxyHammer1 This is the problem when a lot of our named characters aren't even available from GW anymore. He'll be worth it. Even if it's just the look on an opponent's face when he just gets up again 😆. I like painting the old metal models so there's that too 🙂. Thanks for the content, it's really appreciated.
@@davidfeline5850 Absolutely man I love painting the old models too! The Eldar ones were top tier for their time! I’ll keep the content coming my friend thank you for watching!
Fuegan's name clearly comes from Spanish fuego (fire). So definitely one should pronounce it Fu-E-Ga-N. Spanish is quite a phonetic language so there is not many tricky words. I like to say Fuegan is the most hispanoeldar, as Pedro Kantor is the most hispanomarine (but you know this was before Captain Messinus and stuff)...
Oh absolutely he is the most Hispanoeldar! He is all about the spice!
@@ProxyHammer1 very good lol
Fuegan in a nutshell:
*I Get Knocked Down starts playing in the background*
Terminator squad sergeant: "Why do I hear boss music??"
Lmfao!! Phase 2 let’s go!!! He is definitely a Dark Souls boss!
I just used a falcon with 5 fire dragons to kill a stompa. With support from Eldrad, and Fuegan
They are awesome! Love them for the cost!
@@ProxyHammer1 granted I'm teaching my dad how to play and that's all we had, and he forgot about overwatch which he used last game.
@@kevinishki Haha 😂 ya it happens! I’ve forgot too!
Are you going to do specific videos on the Phoenix Lords? I managed to get Fuegan at an absolute steal on ebay.
I was thinking of running him in a falcon with a warlock conclave and farseer. He can pop up, support with destroying the heavy targets with the falcon and body block units with his toughness.
Yes I’m going to be covering Pl’s within the next couple of weeks! Running fuegan with a conclave is a very interesting idea! Pop a transport then shower your opponent in destructors and singing spears!
@ProxyHammer1 I hadn't thought of Singing Spears, could be a good shout. Didn't occur to me that they could use Destructor, Pistols and Singing Spears all within 12. Makes me so sad they're only str 3 with no ap in melee though 😢
@@Spacepope3k True but with rerolls to wound if they can swing a turn when they get out of a Falcon they can reroll those in combat as well. Of course would require the Falcon didn’t move first
I use two falcons with two fire dragons unit. In the second falcon I put Eldrad. The fire dragons is full fusion gun so they can move, advance and fire at melta range easy with the Eldrad's support.
Eldrad's Falcon come in rapid ingress and Fuegan deep strike normal. It's not that bad.
Fuegan is not included in the unit if fire dragons. So he can move first and manage the overwatch. Last game he survived a heavy Flammer overwatch with one life point remaining... After they cleaned the objective. I prefer to loose the +1 to hit and get re rolls to hit and wound for both.
Nice dude!! Ya I usually run him separately from dragons too but in the Falcon with them in case I want him to go after infantry with his other shooting profile
Fuegan has AP -4 on his Fire Axe, which means he rips and tears space marines without invuln
Nice I misspoke then saying he was Ap -3! Nice!
He's not bad into terminators or custodes either with his damage 3. I finished off 4 terminators with him recently in a tournament, then overwatched and killed a wounded gladiator that flew around a corner to try and gun Fuegan down (had 8 wounds left). This was after him and his squad had killed a Redemptor Dread. Then Fuegan, alone at this point, breached a ruin, killed an entire infiltrator squad, and then finished the game off by sending a fiery lance from Seersong through a whirlwind.
@@coldsteel.and.courage Dude he is an absolute beast! In my last game he killed two brutalis dreads and took on a terminator squad by himself killing 4 before dying! He lives up to his rep!
i know im 2 months late but i kinda feel to use fire dragons to their fullest potential you need fuegan and a falcon and thats like 340 points all together and i probably would just fork in an extra 20 and get two fire prisms, i wont get the objective and stuff and having a falcon for multi purpose and stuff is nice but for 340 points for anti tank when i could be getting the incarnation of making my opponent quit (2 fire prisms) fire dragons seems to be kinda niche tbh
Dragons have a much higher damage rate than prisms under the right conditions and fuegan himself is hard to put down. Prisms are great too though just have a lower damage ceiling while being a bit safer
I feel like with the Dragons their thing is just having to be more cost efficient than taking anything with a AML/BL but their gun is slightly worse to make up for it, I imagjne once Codexes come out and weapons are costed again these guys will look alot better by comparison.
You are most likely spot on with that statement! I think so too!
I can already tell you someone is going to get pissed if you wait to move your falcon and then they want to fire overwatch on something that moved earlier, if you say it's too late. The overwatch strategem needs to make that a bit more clear. Like once a units movement is finished and you agree you aren't going to fire overwatch you cannot select that unit as a target of overwatch once another unit has moved
I mean that’s how the rule is worded. I always ask my opponent after I move if they want to Overwatch there is no cheating going on there, once I go to move the next units it’s too late to go back in “hindsight”. Personally I think Overwatch is broken atm and more limits need to be placed on it it is extremely oppressive in certain circumstances
Love my dragons but wish they were still 1S higher than melta Guns!
Same here! It would have been thematic!
Would you use Fuegon stand alone?
Ya I would definitely consider it I just personally think he works better with dragons
Still kinda sad that Fire Dragons largely got nerfed (lower toughness, no 12"/18" melta, no webway strike or battle focus) which limits their options
There is one use for the Dragon Breath Flamer though, but its only in Boarding Actions. In a game type where you'll mostly see infantry, a heavy infantry, and even heavier stuff like battlesuits or wraiths, the Flamer becomes a good versatile choice and the Firepike becomes overkill. Fuegan being one to not lose his special ability in that game mode also makes them a primo choice with or without em
Oh ya Fuegan is a god in Combat patrol’
@@ProxyHammer1he can’t be taken in Combat Patrol.
@@Vaultboy-ke2jj A damn shame 😕
Fire dragons are a suicide nuke with Fuegan as a remaining surprise, their only problem is their S9, that makes them pretty bad VS vehicles.
Surprise nukes are the best ones! S9 isn’t the greatest but with rerolls and fuegan the unit can ice most heavy targets
@@ProxyHammer1 No they can't, they've become an anti heavy infantry unit, T9 means knights are beyond their reach.
@@PedroPedro-k9p Not sure about knights but heavy tanks like the land raiser are definitely in reach with Fuegan. He alone does 12 damage at Ap-4
Somebody doesn't use Doom...
@@deadofn1ght Doom is fantastic isn’t it? 😅
i dont even play eldar but i watch all your vids so i can sacrifice knife ear souls to slaanesh all the easier muhahahahaha. so far only fought eldar once with my chaos marines but won it! just barely barely tho. those wraiths man! brutal!
They are extremely brutal! 24” and lethal
Hits is your best friend in that matchup!
Fuuuuuuu! Negan.
Haha 😂