Have you ever re-bought a bike you previously owned? In 2020 I bought myself a brand new ZZR1400...simply stunning. I sold it barely a year later to fund a Fiat 124 Spider. Now, on Auto-Trader the bike is for sale and I find myself wondering if it is a case of blue-sky thinking or should I let bygones be bygones.... Thoughts on a postcard please.
Bought an NX650 Dominator, had it 2 years, lost it in Amsterdam. Saw it on ebay a few years later in Lincoln! Bought it then sold it. Saw it again in North Yorkshire, bought it, then sold it to a guy who was doing a RTW. I'd buy it back tomorrow. 😁
Tubeless every time, plug kit under the seat. Pulled in for a cup of tea my friend had a nail in the tyre, pulled out put in a plug, couple of co2 cannisters and back on the road total time 10min. Carry on with the test of the ride.
…..as opposed to puncture in tubed tyre…..no tyre levers or spare tube……2 hour wait for RAC……couldn’t fix it as tubed tyre…..limped to nearest dealer with RAC man blowing up tyre every mile……left at dealer til next day so return train trip required……needed new tyre anyway as tyre damaged. I guess tubed tyres are fine for lightweight bikes if you have the right tools and know how but for the leisure rider, tubeless (with repair kit or tyre repair can).
@@Howard1776…. 100% agree. I had a 48 hour nightmare with tubed tire on my triumph T120. I was 80 miles out in the middle of no where. AAA upgrade motorcycle coverage couldn’t / wouldn’t help. It was a Saturday with 2 hours of sunlight left. I won’t go into the misery details but I bought another tubeless tire motorcycle to use for real traveling. I won’t take the T120 out of the metropolitan city area anymore
Never ever ever doing tubes on a motorbike. Just not worth it for me. People talk about riding on a bent rim but if I’m bending rims I’m not riding on anyways.
Been riding over 50 years and had my first flat last year. Thank god I had tubeless tires, plug, co2 canisters and off to the nearest gas station. I like to buy, ride awhile then resell but no tube tires for me.
I can plug a tubeless tyre at the roadside much more quickly than I could change a tube or patch a tube. I can get moving and organise a proper repair later. I got a puncture on Christmas Day, as I arrived back at my garage, in a tyre that was only three weeks old. Until I plugged it and reinflated the tyre I couldn’t even push the bike into the garage with the tyre deflated. The tyre was properly repaired by a local tyre shop for £30.
if you have tubes in your tyres you can buy some green goo for mountain bikes and squirt it into your inner tubes so when you get a puncture it will seal the hole in the inner tube, its available at Halfords.
Tubed wheels were all that originally existed as motorcycles were derived from bicycles (which ironically have only relatively recently been fitted with tubeless wheels). They may have their place for dedicated offroad bikes but on the road they’re dangerous when they deflate (I know, I had a front deflate at 40mph) and a PITA to change. They’re also typically much heavier than cast tubeless wheels that most road bikes have today. It’s hilarious after well over 100 years of development that so many classic road bike reproductions have tubed spoke wheels. Funnily enough they didn’t replicate the dodgy electrics, “interesting” brakes and death trap handling from old bikes 😂
Hi Freddie You can get a proper mushroom repair on a tube less tyre when the tyre is removed. I have had repaired tyres I repaired on the side of the road that was fine until I changed the tyre.
Freddie, I’m picking up my brand new Transalp tomorrow. Pre-registered in December and i’m so excited to get the keys. A big part of that decision was your review and yorkshire dales series.
The Hurricane was designed by an American, Craig Vetter. He was the inventor of the Windjammer fairing which was copied all over the world. He sold his factory to Bell Helmets when the Japanese factories launched their own faired models. I met him and he told me he had a job to get the factory to accept the design. At the time Americans were stripping all the “junk” off the standard bikes to make them into customs.
Tubeless every time they are easy to plug at the roadside in minutes,,, sometimes even with a nail they will seal enough to get home to repair.. take the Triumph T100 or T120 tubed tyres the silencer to be removed to get the spindle out all at the side of the road in the peeing rain 😮
Tubed tyres usually deflate rapidly after a puncture, which happened to me at 70mph carrying a pillion. I was very glad it was a rear tyre because I doubt I would have managed the font end deflating so rapidly. Tubeless tyres are safer because most punctures are slow and by the time you realise you have one, it’s relatively easy to plug them. A tube can sometimes be re-inflated with tyre weld foam, but it’s 50/50. A tubed tyre that has come off the bead, or the wheel has a damaged rim, is pretty much a right off and it requires a proper repair in a workshop. Where tubes are better -arguably-is off road, where a damaged rim, or serious side wall puncture can be repaired with a new tube and a lot of tie wraps or straps to hold the tyre in place to get you to the home. It should be noted though, that many modern off road tyres are pretty difficult to remove even with good equipment and therefore the advantages of tubes are nullified. All in all, if you’re on the road, or doing mild green lanes, then tubeless is probably the best. If you’re doing serious off road miles, or travels in far flung countries, then soft sidewall tubed tyres are probably your friend.
I got a nail in my tubeless tyre just before christmas. $50 NZD (25 quid?) for a tubeless repair kit & plugged it myself... still rides and holds air just fine 👍
Not sure why people think you can’t repair tubeless tyres. It’s no different from repairing a car tyre. You can easily plug a tubeless tyre at the side of the road and get a full repair done later.
One of my car tyres currently has a professional repair. It works perfectly and I rarely think about it. However, when I had one in my bike I couldn’t stop thinking about it! I guess the consequences of it giving way are that much more serious.
The trouble with the K series bikes is that they were heavier than the boxer engined bikes and a lot of BMW riders preferred the boxer engine for its character (myself included). Indeed BMW wanted to discontinue the the boxer engine when they brought out the K series bikes but the outcry from many BMW riders forced them to rethink and spend a lot of money to produce a new oils and air cooled boxer that complied with emissions.
The last K series (1,300) were very quick and tons of torque. To really a competitor to the ZZR as it was more of a tourer and had shaft drive (and cruise). Unfortunately it was a compromised design from the beginning - the 1200 was poor, BMW got ricardo to breathe on it to create the 1300 but it suffered from a heavy and grinding clutch feel with odd engagement, it ran very hot, and usually due to the radiator grille getting full of crud because of the poor design, overheated and blew the radiator. The switchgear of this era was also very flaky, but the GT version was a lovely tourer - 140 on the Autobahn in complete comfort. The 1600 that replaced it was smoother but very heavy, less torque and stupidly expensive.
Tubed versus tubeless tyres. The main advantage of tubeless tyres is the ability to effect a quick repair on the roadside using a tyre plugger kit (you don't need a brand new tyre every time you get a puncture). Whilst changing an inner tube can be inexpensive, there is the time and effort required to remove the wheel and tyre on the roadside, before the new tube can be inserted. I had to help a friend when he got a puncture on his Honda Goldwing. Fortunately, it had tubeless tyres and I had a repair kit and an air compressor on my bike. A quick 15 minutes to plug and inflate and we were on our way.
I guess it depends where you get a puncture. If it's a case of a quick patch until you can get to a garage, tubeless all the way. But if you need the repair to hold for the next 300 miles over rough terrain, you want to just swap the tube.
Cars have only had tubeless tyres for decades. They're safer, deflate much slower when punctured. Many have nails in, don't deflate and it's not even noticed unless picked up on the MOT. And tyre shops regularly repair them safely from the inside of the tyre. No car driver would put up with a tube type tyre.
I considered the K1300S but chose the Honda vfr1200f instead. More comfortable, better build quality, more reliable, better luggage, beast of a V4 engine. I'm absolutely loving it...
Hello Freddie! On the tubeless vs tubed debate, I am firmly pro-tubeless. A few years ago I went on a moderate tour from North Florida to Atlanta, using only back roads on a 2019 Suzuki GSXS 1000 F (A surprisingly great sports tourer). Half way through the journey I picked up a puncture in rural Georgia. I felt something was wrong, pulled over to the next gas station which, luckily, neighbored a car tire repair shop. For $15 the mechanic plugged the hole then gently road to the nearest motorcycle dealership, got a new rear tire, and was back on the road. The rest of the journey there, and back, however, was spent on the interstate system as I did not want to chance another puncture in the middle of nowhere. Suffice it to say, I feel as though my situation would be far more complex if I was on a motorcycle with tubed tires. I now own a 2020 Triumph Street Triple RS and Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. The Enfield is for nice chilled out rides and weekend tours. Because of the tubed tires I do not feel comfortable touring more than 3 or 4 hours away from home and would rather tour on the interstate that has regular traffic which can blow nails and sharp debris to the shoulder of the road. In fact, a dream bike of mine is not just a Bonneville T-120 but a T-120 with lightweight wheels and tubeless tire. I found the T-120 exceptionally comfortable and would love to buy one as a long distance tourer but would feel compelled to convert to tubeless to mitigate the risk of having a total flat and being stuck. Further, I would sacrifice the retro aesthetic by fitting lightweight, non-spoked, wheels for a significant unsprung weight savings. These are just my thoughts, would love to hear what others think. I love the channel, please keep up the top tier content!
BMW K1300S ❤ I owned three of them and absolutely loved every minute. True “old school” sports tourer that was able to handle the twisty bits much better than you would ever expect. The engine was a masterpiece in my opinion. Unfortunately, BMW never replaced it, but if they did I would be buying one
I’d still go tubeless, a repair can be done at the side of the road with a decent puncture plug. I’ve done trackdays on plugged tyres before, not advisable but doable.
The issue with these savings Freddy, is that if your trading in on one the pre reg bikes, the trade in values will also take a similar hit. If your a cash buyer with no trade in, happy days 👍
RE: Tubed tires VS Tubeless. Started riding in '61. Had frequent punctures with the old wire wheels. Early 80's the Tubeless become more common. Since then I recall have to use plugs on perhaps 3-4 punctures, Not replacing the tires. I'll stick with tubeless.
The Triumph Hurricane was based on the Trident platform. It was a beautiful bike, I loved the look of it so much, I built a 'clone' using my Triumph Bonneville T140 back in the 1980's, that I put a Hurricane replica tank and seat on. A company in England were selling the Hurricane tank/seat replica sets, the quality wasn't the best, the actual tank under the Hurricane molding was cheap and nasty and only took about 2 months before the vibration of the Bonneville split it in half. But despite that, the bike looked stunning and got a lot of attention during the time I owned it.
Happy day today Freddie, I received a tool roll from my kids as a birthday present. Thank you so much for all of the extra goodies I’ve just got to decide on which bike to put it on. Classic 500 or Urban GS………….
That's one of the things I love about Freddie, he's a young guy and we see him learning so much and get to enjoy his unbridled enthusiasm along the way. Love it.
The only time you can't fix a tubeless tyre is if the puncture is too close to the outer edge of the tyres,so I'm not sure if tubes are such an advantage really,plus the way they deflate while you are riding can be frightening and dangerous 😮
I think the pre-registration is due to Euro 5b - the catalytic converters have to work - not just when new (under controlled conditions) - but also throughout the life of the bike (under conditions the manufacturers have no control over). This raises the development costs for manufacturers but also applies to any new bikes from 1 Jan 2025.
Correct , with Euro5+ the ECU now measures the efficiency of the Cat, after market exhaust may be difficult putting the bike into limp mode and engine light on, flashing the ECU may be possible with a fake sensor.
When you say euro 5 I was under the belief that it has been that for years ,in fact it was brought in in 2020 for new motorcycle models,so I believe what you mean is Euro 5+ which forces manufacturers to install yet more bullshit technology in this case to monitor the cat and if an issue is noted put it into limp mode until the cat is replaced.🙄
tubless tyres are prefered by manufactures because , cost , fitting , but the biggest reason is the reduction in unsprung weight which improves the bikes handling characteristics , faster turning etc , love my BMW R1200C , great cruiser , loads of style , and every one knows , James Bond rode one like a lunatic
Hi Freddie. There was a Triumph Hurricane in the Triumph museum when you visited on Hinckley on the Gentleman's ride/Bonneville collection from Joe. I spoke to the owner Dick Shepherd who said it was the worst handling machine in his collection, and he owned most of the bikes in the museum. As for tube tyres on road bikes. Unless you are a very competent mechanic with lots of tools to remove wheels, tubeless is the way to go. Most folks touring with tube tyres who get punctures are phoning recovery, where as many tubeless are fixed roadside with a sticky string plug. Glad the Jeep made it home, I imagined you still hand digging it out of a sand dune. Appreciate the entertaining vids. Cheers
Cool vid- the thing is though with some of these big old sport tourers that yes are pretty cheap - those people looking for a cheap commuter or winter hack want something on whole easy practical economical and simple to ride n park but those who want proper big mile munchers will spend a lot more for comfort and let’s face it prestige so they are just falling in the crack
As an owner of a BMW K1200GT, it's nice to see some appreciation of the K-series. They are amazing to ride. The comfort of the K-bikes are second to none.
I had the exact same BMW. Crazy smooth. Like an electric motor, just turn the reostat. If you sneezed or moved your head to see something you could easily gain 10 mph in speed. A heavy bike in the twisties so I switched back to a twin.
It's a nice thought just changing a tube, but at the roadside i'd much prefer and easier to do just to plug a tyre to get you home. Many plugs can be left a lot longer. No cumbersome tools either with a plug. Some bikes are better tubed, depends what your doing. Good to hear that theres some cheap new bikes out there.
had a plug in my rear tyre for a few quid, did a 1200 mile tour on it no issue, then got a new tyre. just like cars, you can plug a tyre if it isnt in the sidewall. Actually reminded me that within about 6 months I had a car tyre, my Tracer rear tyre and my bmw front tyre all plugged. That's £75 total for 3 tyre repairs.
Hi Freddie, what an epic trip you’ve just done ! …WOW 7000 miles ! ……..I 1st saw the X-75 Hurricane in a bike mag when it came out in about 1973 when I was 16/17 years old…..I fell in love instantly, they are beautiful things ! ……you saw my K1200S ( virtually the same bike as the K1300S) at The Veloce Club I bloody love it, 167 hp 0-60 2.8 secs & 180 mph & all for £1650 ! ….that K13S is amazing value at £2 grand, I could be tempted myself 😀
Freddie watching you in the desert with the wrangler had me yelling at my screen. So happy you figured out you have 4 wheel drive! I hope you put it back in 2 wheel drive when you got on the blacktop. I bet there were no Harley’s at a discount on that website. Lol when it comes to Harley’s, tubeless is the way to go. Harley’s are heavy, the sidewalls on there tires are super strong. So changing a tire to replace the tube ain’t easy by hand. With tubeless you just use a plug and your done. Those Rokons are pretty indestructible, there super slow but can do anything. I would rather have the Triumph Hurricane. That’s a cool bike. As long as you don’t burn up that center piston, a common problem. Glad you survived your trip. I bet Monica won’t ever eat camping food again 😜
Thanks Steve- luckily I’d juuuust learned enough from reading the manual that it must be 2nd for tarmac. The Jeep was faultless during the entire trip💪🏼 And yes- Monika’s done with ready meals… at least for a month or so😆
Freddie glad you had a great 👍 trip away in the Jeep mate . Hay just a suggestion with your next book , why don’t you call it Vol 2 and from the 1990,s to say 2020 . As your other one was 1950-1980 . You could do a Vol 3 “ time forgotten stories “ 1919-1949 “ . Also with the discounted bikes we haven’t got those great deals In Australia as we don’t have the same strict Euro restrictions. Even though we still get the bikes restricted the same way ( we just take the cats off and retune to fun the way they should) or even the way the manufacturers would like . TUBES - the best compromise of Tube or tubeless ( both ) 🤔. So tubed front as that’s were you will mostly get bent rims ( off road riding ) so for off road a front tube is always a benefit to carry and as a temporary fix you can also put a front tube in a rear . So rear tubeless - as harder to change and get off and on and generally less punchers.
I've run tubes on old Vespas and basically they are more prone to rapid deflation than tubeless so from a safety aspect for me it's tubeless everytime. I didn't buy into the newer Enfield's for touring and went for a Bonni instead.
Back in the late 60’s my dad was a Rokon dealer. So naturally, as a young teen I had my fun with it. Back behind my dad’s business was a large swamp and no matter how hard I tried I was never able to get it stuck. One time I had it up to the seat in black gooey mud and the bike just kept churning along until it pulled itself out. If we wanted to take it some where we just dropped the tailgate of our pickup truck and just drive it right in. No ramp necessary. It was amazing fun to ride but unfortunately being in New Jersey 8 miles from NYC there weren’t my people interested in spending the money for one with very few places to ride and my dad dropped the dealership. Oh by the way it’s pronounced Roe- con.
When I was a student nurse, in the early 80s, there was a contractor at the hospital that had a Triumph Hurricane. It is the only one that I have ever seen. I believe that he exchanged it for a Suzuki GS1000. I bet he regrets that move now?!
I was going to buy one of these pre-reg CB125Fs from a dealership in north London, then looked at the insurance premiums for new riders. Nothing under a grand for 3rd party F&T in London and the same if I bought a 10-year-old Euro 4 model for half the price. I inquired about certain other bikes, like the Yamaha MT-125 and XSR-125, both more powerful than the Honda, and they both got premiums around £800.
Hi Freddie, regarding punctures in tubed tyres. A great guy called Ian who until very recently ran his TH-cam channel, Old School ADV Rider, swore by a product called 'Slime'. It has been around for many years and one bottle of this treats two tyres. It is a pre puncture treatment which will seal any new punctures, often without the rider being aware that they've even had a puncture. There was an example that he stated where a rider took his bike in for a new tyre, only to discover there were 5 or 6 punctures in the tube that this product had sealed. Worth considering perhaps....
Tubeless are _much_ safer, Freddie, for road use. I've had a blowout on a tubed tyre at speed and it was very scary. Most punctures are on the rear wheel (the front tyre launches the missile backwards) and if you've got a plugging kit and a means of inflation they can be repaired quickly and easily at the roadside. If you do it properly the plugged repair will last safely until the tyre is worn out. Compact, reasonably priced, quality kits are available. Tubes do have their virtues in the wilderness, far from civilisation (including London and Ipswich), but you'll need to carry a spare plus heavy tyre levers plus . . . If it's a Rokon, of course, you could fill the tyres with water or bourbon.
In the early 80s I wanted a vintage bike and saw the Hurricane at a back street shop in Chorley, lancs. I was very tempted but ended up with a BSA 650 Road Rocket which I totally broke down and did it up. Seeing the price of that Hurricane i obviously bought the wrong one although I did love the BSA and kept it for years.
Lightweight off-road it's tubes for me cos I can still get home should be rim get dented after a spirited jump with a hard landing. Get stuck there on a dented tubeless rim. Tubeless good for when I'm sticking to tarmac only, as mentioned underneath can get repaired by the roadside in short time. Thanks for an interesting and informative vlog Freddie, Best wishes 🏁
Generally these days tubed and tubeless have different but specific features and benefits dependent on the use and application and rarely can they be interchanged.
Just made my Harley sporty with spoked wheels to Tubless ;-) Much easier to fix a puncture. Why would you change the tyre everytime you get a puncture, that is madness.
Hah yeh, had a ZZR1400 delimited with a quickshifter fitted - wish I’d kept it, but decided I’d either be boxed up or locked up if I kept it - the most monumental bike I’ve ever ridden and when you look at the speedo and it shows 160 ( could go up to nearly 200mph ) it’s probably time to re think !
Blade Abingdon near Oxford has mental pre registered savings. a 1290 super duke R with a £6444 saving. less than £200pm to have a hypernaked bike and full warranty
I used to think tubeless was a smart idea and easier, but...yeah there is a good reason why adventure bikes have tubed tires! So easy to repair or replace the inner tube and just ride on, then to have to repair a tubeless and hope it I'll survive the trip to a shop, only to loose 200+ bucks on a new tire!
All modern ADV bikes have tubeless tires. Yes true dirt bikes or dual sport have tubed but none from BMW, Triumph Tigers, KTM, or Japanese ADV bikes…all tubeless
It's pretty easy to spot though, if the rims have spokes, real ones, not the ones welded on the rim, then it has a tube! Anyway i guess it's what you prefer in the end, i prefer to be able to fix of swap an innertube whenever where ever, carrying around a full heavy extra tire seems ridiculous for punctures! And yes you can fix a puncture on a tubeless, but that means get your ass to a shop and get a new tire, which will cost you time and money, WAY more time and money then an innertube!
@ You could have saved yourself a lot of typing by just saying you don’t understand wheels and tyres. Tubeless spoked wheels have proper spokes (just tensioned on the hub-side rather than the rim-side) and who on earth buys a new tyre after a fixable puncture? Enjoy lugging around inner tubes and removing wheels at the side of the road. I’ll stop and help if I pass by on my patched tubeless.
I’ve used one of those plug kits on a bmw car as a quick fix and that was a few weeks ago now and it’s still holding up. Not sure how long I should push my luck though 😅
if it's "registered" - isn't it, fundamentally, a "Used Bike" and has to be sold as one? Assume, therefore any WARRANTY, is also shortened accordingly, even though it may have done zero miles.? And what about VAT - should it not also be set under the VAT Margin system?
Tubes can be replaced .........BUT....you first need to survive the blowout as tubes let go of all the air at once. At motorway speed the wobble is terrifying if its the front that is gone.
The Benelli Sei you showed is the later model. The original was similarly styled to the Moto Guzzi T3 - probably because De Tomaso owned both companies. I don't think the later styling has anything to do with the Hurricane. The late Guzzi and Benelli styling was influenced by the boxy look of late 70's cars and had far more to do with De Tomaso taking control of the styling. The Benelli 500-4's engine was so similar to a Honda 500 that there were rumours about some parts being interchangeable although I've never heard of anyone actually proving it.
Dear Freddy After listening to your video about tubed or tubeless tyres, are you aware that you can fit tubes to tubeless tyres, So you don't have to replace an expensive tubeless tyre after a puncture, just fit a tube, happy days. 😀 Roy Bridgwater Somerset.
Interesting re the dealers pre registering bikes otherwise they don’t meet regs and cant be sold. I wonder if the manufacturers help the dealers as they would be taking initial hit from new bikes to second hand. Also i wonder if the dealer have registered the bike are the buyers now the 2nd owner on log book??
I’m curious about this re the manufacturers helping out, because the squeeze will be almost unbearable for dealers to take. Yep I’m certain this’ll mean all pre-registered bikes do technically already have one owner (the dealership)
Just bought a pre reg royal Enfield Himalayan 450 and the warranty starts when I collect the bike, 1k off list price. No otr charges just need to tax the bike.
Once a bike is registered the warranty and breakdown etc starts ticking. Trust me. I bought a brand new ( Boxed) VStrom 800DE. Pre-reg , zero miles. It was actually 1 year of age. The breakdown warranty had expired and the 7 year warranty is now only 6 years. Buyers have never had it so good. Get haggling and you can get a bargain !!
hi freddy bought a brand new 23 model sporster s $7,000 aus off new,$20 000 on road 2 year warranty price ,harley dealer said clearing all stock for 25 models
If you get a puncture in tubed tyres, your day's done. With tubeless, simply fix the puncture with one of the many repair kits and off you go. No waiting for recovery trucks. I wouldn't consider tubed tyres.
Hey Freddie, where did you get your side panniers for your Bonneville? They look simple and nice. On the tube or tubeless question, I believe tubeless makes more sense. Not all punctures require a new tire, some can be managed with the puncture kit. As a guy that rides everyday, having tubed tires is risky and troublesome. Imagine when you riding quite fast and the tube punctures.
To be fair, a lot of places (in the UK at least) won’t plug a bike tyre under any circumstances. It’s obviously safe enough to be trusted given the number of comments here but it’s not really the same as plugging a car tyre. On a car you’ve got three failsafes and arguably less critical reliance on the wheels for stability. Whilst I can agree with the benefits of tubeless, I’d still favour a new tyre over a plugged one if I got a puncture.
People know BMW motorcycles are complex bikes. Used BMW bikes are often hard to sell because people that might be able to afford the bike are scared off by the potential repair bills. Even routine dealer service can be eye-wateringly expensive.
I waited to buy a bike until this week. I've just paid £5000 for a new RE Interceptor 'California' It is pre-registered and the list price should be £6700. I snapped the dealers hand off at that saving.
Hi Freddie when I’m out cycling I’m forever picking up nails and screws from roadsides .Ps have you seen vids of Japanese manufacturers new mid range Retro models ?.
ANYONE that has been stranded with a flat tubed tire, understands the importance of being able to fix typical nail type puncture and get back on the road. Repairing the flat on a T120 while 80 miles out in the rural country will make the most mild tempered man go madly insane cursing Triumph still using tubed tires. I bought a new motorcycle after my experience and relegate the T120 to rides around the city
“Rokin uses standard American parts nuts and bolts” hahaha that shounds horrible, you can’t get “standard” or imperial nuts and bolts in large parts of the world, as we use metric. That actually makes the Rokin incredibly annoying to maintain.
I went to a new bsa dealer near me I am Leeds it's aka automotive in Shipley the gold was 4750 great price and pre registered so I thought ring bikesure to add it to my other 3 bikes and I got quoted 154 pounds for three months the insurance said they thought they where a more than the price I told them they because it's a brand new bike so it cost so much for three months so I just ok it does not matter and hung up I am 73 I have only been back to biking since July 2020 I no i have a long lay off its eye water the cost off insurance now but I will keep on biking as long as can
All old bikes are not selling, which is ridiculous because of how cheap they are. It gets even worse when you go pre-ABS times, new riders are scared of not even having traction control, much more about lacking ABS braking. It's a little sad at times to see these marvelous bikes be standing in a shed or even out in the open with no interest from anyone. At some point they'll be scrapped. I got a Honda CBR 600 F2 PC25 with only 18k km on it for only 1.75k €, it now has 24k km. I just got a Kawasaki ER-5 with a little more than 11k km for only 1k €. The valve service at 12k km would cost at least 500€ according to the Kawasaki workshop. The cost of ownership exceeds the bikes value in most of those cases, if you don't work on it yourself you might as well ride it to scrap doing no service at all and buy another old one instead, which is an admittedly painful idea to think about.
If or when the UK motorbike manufacturers follow the incredibly aggressive pricing structure of the 1000cc Hornet and with this glut of Pre Reg discounts the subsequent collapse of 3year old residual values will trap many bikers with Pcps because they have no equity... Trust me I sold new cars for 30yrs many on Pcps and this is a mathematical certainty?...
@tuesdayatdobbs what would be interesting is to known what percentage of 2-3 year old product is on pcps because theres going to be an huge amount of "VT"s Voluntary Terminations aka simply handing the vehicle back at the end of contract because customers are "upside down" and the finance companies will be carrying the loss???
Only new bike I would entertain is the Honda CT125 but they never released them here. Yet imported ones are selling for £5000 a good £1000 more than other new Honda 125's. I remember seeing ROKON bikes in motorcycle encyclopedias when I was a kid a long time ago! I guess the CT is just a slightly more sensible one. Have a look at one of Itchy Boots recent videos with a puncture on tubes, couldn't have plugged that if it was tubeless.
Have you ever re-bought a bike you previously owned?
In 2020 I bought myself a brand new ZZR1400...simply stunning. I sold it barely a year later to fund a Fiat 124 Spider. Now, on Auto-Trader the bike is for sale and I find myself wondering if it is a case of blue-sky thinking or should I let bygones be bygones....
Thoughts on a postcard please.
I love this! I’ve unfortunately never come across an old vehicle of mine for sale
Buy the bike
@@tuesdayatdobbsWould you want your old Jaguar back Freddie
Bought an NX650 Dominator, had it 2 years, lost it in Amsterdam. Saw it on ebay a few years later in Lincoln! Bought it then sold it. Saw it again in North Yorkshire, bought it, then sold it to a guy who was doing a RTW. I'd buy it back tomorrow. 😁
@@saltaireorangebicyclechopp8555 Fascinating!
Tubeless every time, plug kit under the seat. Pulled in for a cup of tea my friend had a nail in the tyre, pulled out put in a plug, couple of co2 cannisters and back on the road total time 10min. Carry on with the test of the ride.
…..as opposed to puncture in tubed tyre…..no tyre levers or spare tube……2 hour wait for RAC……couldn’t fix it as tubed tyre…..limped to nearest dealer with RAC man blowing up tyre every mile……left at dealer til next day so return train trip required……needed new tyre anyway as tyre damaged.
I guess tubed tyres are fine for lightweight bikes if you have the right tools and know how but for the leisure rider, tubeless (with repair kit or tyre repair can).
@@Howard1776…. 100% agree. I had a 48 hour nightmare with tubed tire on my triumph T120. I was 80 miles out in the middle of no where. AAA upgrade motorcycle coverage couldn’t / wouldn’t help. It was a Saturday with 2 hours of sunlight left. I won’t go into the misery details but I bought another tubeless tire motorcycle to use for real traveling. I won’t take the T120 out of the metropolitan city area anymore
@@Howard1776 Bike Seal. Google it.
Never ever ever doing tubes on a motorbike. Just not worth it for me. People talk about riding on a bent rim but if I’m bending rims I’m not riding on anyways.
Been riding over 50 years and had my first flat last year. Thank god I had tubeless tires, plug, co2 canisters and off to the nearest gas station. I like to buy, ride awhile then resell but no tube tires for me.
I can plug a tubeless tyre at the roadside much more quickly than I could change a tube or patch a tube. I can get moving and organise a proper repair later. I got a puncture on Christmas Day, as I arrived back at my garage, in a tyre that was only three weeks old. Until I plugged it and reinflated the tyre I couldn’t even push the bike into the garage with the tyre deflated. The tyre was properly repaired by a local tyre shop for £30.
I plugged a picture tyre and used that tyre for 3000 miles and replaced it with a new tyre.
Tubeless tyres can be professionally plugged for about £25. No need to replace tyre in most cases.
See my other post. I have had a puncture repair refused without even examining it. They say thy are not able to repair a ZR rated tyre.
@petersaunders5308 Wow ! Absolute rubbish I have had many plugged with no problem at all sounds like a rip off for sure.
@@petersaunders5308 absolutely rubbish, only if it’s close to the tyre wall, or very badly work
@@robertbernardday9935 My feelings exactly.
if you have tubes in your tyres you can buy some green goo for mountain bikes and squirt it into your inner tubes so when you get a puncture it will seal the hole in the inner tube, its available at Halfords.
Tubed wheels were all that originally existed as motorcycles were derived from bicycles (which ironically have only relatively recently been fitted with tubeless wheels). They may have their place for dedicated offroad bikes but on the road they’re dangerous when they deflate (I know, I had a front deflate at 40mph) and a PITA to change. They’re also typically much heavier than cast tubeless wheels that most road bikes have today. It’s hilarious after well over 100 years of development that so many classic road bike reproductions have tubed spoke wheels. Funnily enough they didn’t replicate the dodgy electrics, “interesting” brakes and death trap handling from old bikes 😂
Puncture repair kit £25.00
Tubeless every time plus, apparently they deflate slower..
Hi Freddie
You can get a proper mushroom repair on a tube less tyre when the tyre is removed. I have had repaired tyres I repaired on the side of the road that was fine until I changed the tyre.
Freddie, I’m picking up my brand new Transalp tomorrow. Pre-registered in December and i’m so excited to get the keys. A big part of that decision was your review and yorkshire dales series.
The Hurricane was designed by an American, Craig Vetter. He was the inventor of the Windjammer fairing which was copied all over the world. He sold his factory to Bell Helmets when the Japanese factories launched their own faired models. I met him and he told me he had a job to get the factory to accept the design. At the time Americans were stripping all the “junk” off the standard bikes to make them into customs.
Tubeless every time they are easy to plug at the roadside in minutes,,, sometimes even with a nail they will seal enough to get home to repair.. take the Triumph T100 or T120 tubed tyres the silencer to be removed to get the spindle out all at the side of the road in the peeing rain 😮
Tubed tyres usually deflate rapidly after a puncture, which happened to me at 70mph carrying a pillion. I was very glad it was a rear tyre because I doubt I would have managed the font end deflating so rapidly. Tubeless tyres are safer because most punctures are slow and by the time you realise you have one, it’s relatively easy to plug them. A tube can sometimes be re-inflated with tyre weld foam, but it’s 50/50. A tubed tyre that has come off the bead, or the wheel has a damaged rim, is pretty much a right off and it requires a proper repair in a workshop. Where tubes are better -arguably-is off road, where a damaged rim, or serious side wall puncture can be repaired with a new tube and a lot of tie wraps or straps to hold the tyre in place to get you to the home. It should be noted though, that many modern off road tyres are pretty difficult to remove even with good equipment and therefore the advantages of tubes are nullified. All in all, if you’re on the road, or doing mild green lanes, then tubeless is probably the best. If you’re doing serious off road miles, or travels in far flung countries, then soft sidewall tubed tyres are probably your friend.
I got a nail in my tubeless tyre just before christmas. $50 NZD (25 quid?) for a tubeless repair kit & plugged it myself... still rides and holds air just fine 👍
Not sure why people think you can’t repair tubeless tyres. It’s no different from repairing a car tyre. You can easily plug a tubeless tyre at the side of the road and get a full repair done later.
One of my car tyres currently has a professional repair. It works perfectly and I rarely think about it. However, when I had one in my bike I couldn’t stop thinking about it! I guess the consequences of it giving way are that much more serious.
The trouble with the K series bikes is that they were heavier than the boxer engined bikes and a lot of BMW riders preferred the boxer engine for its character (myself included). Indeed BMW wanted to discontinue the the boxer engine when they brought out the K series bikes but the outcry from many BMW riders forced them to rethink and spend a lot of money to produce a new oils and air cooled boxer that complied with emissions.
The last K series (1,300) were very quick and tons of torque. To really a competitor to the ZZR as it was more of a tourer and had shaft drive (and cruise). Unfortunately it was a compromised design from the beginning - the 1200 was poor, BMW got ricardo to breathe on it to create the 1300 but it suffered from a heavy and grinding clutch feel with odd engagement, it ran very hot, and usually due to the radiator grille getting full of crud because of the poor design, overheated and blew the radiator. The switchgear of this era was also very flaky, but the GT version was a lovely tourer - 140 on the Autobahn in complete comfort. The 1600 that replaced it was smoother but very heavy, less torque and stupidly expensive.
Tubed versus tubeless tyres. The main advantage of tubeless tyres is the ability to effect a quick repair on the roadside using a tyre plugger kit (you don't need a brand new tyre every time you get a puncture). Whilst changing an inner tube can be inexpensive, there is the time and effort required to remove the wheel and tyre on the roadside, before the new tube can be inserted. I had to help a friend when he got a puncture on his Honda Goldwing. Fortunately, it had tubeless tyres and I had a repair kit and an air compressor on my bike. A quick 15 minutes to plug and inflate and we were on our way.
I guess it depends where you get a puncture.
If it's a case of a quick patch until you can get to a garage, tubeless all the way.
But if you need the repair to hold for the next 300 miles over rough terrain, you want to just swap the tube.
Interesting- really appreciate this insight
Cars have only had tubeless tyres for decades. They're safer, deflate much slower when punctured. Many have nails in, don't deflate and it's not even noticed unless picked up on the MOT. And tyre shops regularly repair them safely from the inside of the tyre. No car driver would put up with a tube type tyre.
I considered the K1300S but chose the Honda vfr1200f instead. More comfortable, better build quality, more reliable, better luggage, beast of a V4 engine. I'm absolutely loving it...
Hello Freddie! On the tubeless vs tubed debate, I am firmly pro-tubeless. A few years ago I went on a moderate tour from North Florida to Atlanta, using only back roads on a 2019 Suzuki GSXS 1000 F (A surprisingly great sports tourer). Half way through the journey I picked up a puncture in rural Georgia. I felt something was wrong, pulled over to the next gas station which, luckily, neighbored a car tire repair shop. For $15 the mechanic plugged the hole then gently road to the nearest motorcycle dealership, got a new rear tire, and was back on the road. The rest of the journey there, and back, however, was spent on the interstate system as I did not want to chance another puncture in the middle of nowhere. Suffice it to say, I feel as though my situation would be far more complex if I was on a motorcycle with tubed tires. I now own a 2020 Triumph Street Triple RS and Royal Enfield Interceptor 650. The Enfield is for nice chilled out rides and weekend tours. Because of the tubed tires I do not feel comfortable touring more than 3 or 4 hours away from home and would rather tour on the interstate that has regular traffic which can blow nails and sharp debris to the shoulder of the road. In fact, a dream bike of mine is not just a Bonneville T-120 but a T-120 with lightweight wheels and tubeless tire. I found the T-120 exceptionally comfortable and would love to buy one as a long distance tourer but would feel compelled to convert to tubeless to mitigate the risk of having a total flat and being stuck. Further, I would sacrifice the retro aesthetic by fitting lightweight, non-spoked, wheels for a significant unsprung weight savings. These are just my thoughts, would love to hear what others think. I love the channel, please keep up the top tier content!
BMW K1300S ❤ I owned three of them and absolutely loved every minute. True “old school” sports tourer that was able to handle the twisty bits much better than you would ever expect. The engine was a masterpiece in my opinion. Unfortunately, BMW never replaced it, but if they did I would be buying one
I’d still go tubeless, a repair can be done at the side of the road with a decent puncture plug. I’ve done trackdays on plugged tyres before, not advisable but doable.
The issue with these savings Freddy, is that if your trading in on one the pre reg bikes, the trade in values will also take a similar hit. If your a cash buyer with no trade in, happy days 👍
Euro 5 been out for a few years, Euro 5 plus from January 20205.
20205? No rush then.
@ronwhite8503 D'oh! Well I suppose it's academic as no new ones at all after 2035 ☹️ No new 125cc by 2030, well, as it stands anyway.
RE: Tubed tires VS Tubeless. Started riding in '61. Had frequent punctures with the old wire wheels. Early 80's the Tubeless become more common. Since then I recall have to use plugs on perhaps 3-4 punctures, Not replacing the tires. I'll stick with tubeless.
The Triumph Hurricane was based on the Trident platform. It was a beautiful bike, I loved the look of it so much, I built a 'clone' using my Triumph Bonneville T140 back in the 1980's, that I put a Hurricane replica tank and seat on.
A company in England were selling the Hurricane tank/seat replica sets, the quality wasn't the best, the actual tank under the Hurricane molding was cheap and nasty and only took about 2 months before the vibration of the Bonneville split it in half.
But despite that, the bike looked stunning and got a lot of attention during the time I owned it.
Happy day today Freddie, I received a tool roll from my kids as a birthday present. Thank you so much for all of the extra goodies I’ve just got to decide on which bike to put it on. Classic 500 or Urban GS………….
How can any biker not have seen a Triumph Hurricane!!
That's one of the things I love about Freddie, he's a young guy and we see him learning so much and get to enjoy his unbridled enthusiasm along the way. Love it.
@@MrB1967 I mean he's 35, at least, but OK
@@specialcircs that's young to me 😅
It was built before he (or I) was born and they're extremely rare!
Not everyone is a historian.
The only time you can't fix a tubeless tyre is if the puncture is too close to the outer edge of the tyres,so I'm not sure if tubes are such an advantage really,plus the way they deflate while you are riding can be frightening and dangerous 😮
I think the pre-registration is due to Euro 5b - the catalytic converters have to work - not just when new (under controlled conditions) - but also throughout the life of the bike (under conditions the manufacturers have no control over). This raises the development costs for manufacturers but also applies to any new bikes from 1 Jan 2025.
Correct , with Euro5+ the ECU now measures the efficiency of the Cat, after market exhaust may be difficult putting the bike into limp mode and engine light on, flashing the ECU may be possible with a fake sensor.
When you say euro 5 I was under the belief that it has been that for years ,in fact it was brought in in 2020 for new motorcycle models,so I believe what you mean is Euro 5+ which forces manufacturers to install yet more bullshit technology in this case to monitor the cat and if an issue is noted put it into limp mode until the cat is replaced.🙄
Exactly right. He means E5+, not Euro 5.
@Trev350 thanks, that's what I thought 👍🏻
@@kevindarkstar euro 5 was introduced several years ago.
@Trev350 yeah, I know that, maybe you should tell Freddie 🤣
@@kevindarkstar I can't be bothered. 😂 Lol
Freddy, "Lost Biker Stories", what a great idea! Why hasn't this been thought up before?? Well done.
Hi Freddie, thanks for mentioning my message regarding pre registered bikes, it's made my day! 👍
tubless tyres are prefered by manufactures because , cost , fitting , but the biggest reason is the reduction in unsprung weight which improves the bikes handling characteristics , faster turning etc , love my BMW R1200C , great cruiser , loads of style , and every one knows , James Bond rode one like a lunatic
Hi Freddie. There was a Triumph Hurricane in the Triumph museum when you visited on Hinckley on the Gentleman's ride/Bonneville collection from Joe. I spoke to the owner Dick Shepherd who said it was the worst handling machine in his collection, and he owned most of the bikes in the museum.
As for tube tyres on road bikes. Unless you are a very competent mechanic with lots of tools to remove wheels, tubeless is the way to go. Most folks touring with tube tyres who get punctures are phoning recovery, where as many tubeless are fixed roadside with a sticky string plug.
Glad the Jeep made it home, I imagined you still hand digging it out of a sand dune.
Appreciate the entertaining vids. Cheers
Nothing like a good scream at my screen every Tuesday. Thanks Freddie😜
Cool vid- the thing is though with some of these big old sport tourers that yes are pretty cheap - those people looking for a cheap commuter or winter hack want something on whole easy practical economical and simple to ride n park but those who want proper big mile munchers will spend a lot more for comfort and let’s face it prestige so they are just falling in the crack
Puncture in a tube = blowout.
As an owner of a BMW K1200GT, it's nice to see some appreciation of the K-series. They are amazing to ride. The comfort of the K-bikes are second to none.
I much prefer the bmw k series not keen on the boxer twins
I had the exact same BMW. Crazy smooth. Like an electric motor, just turn the reostat. If you sneezed or moved your head to see something you could easily gain 10 mph in speed. A heavy bike in the twisties so I switched back to a twin.
It's a nice thought just changing a tube, but at the roadside i'd much prefer and easier to do just to plug a tyre to get you home. Many plugs can be left a lot longer. No cumbersome tools either with a plug. Some bikes are better tubed, depends what your doing. Good to hear that theres some cheap new bikes out there.
had a plug in my rear tyre for a few quid, did a 1200 mile tour on it no issue, then got a new tyre. just like cars, you can plug a tyre if it isnt in the sidewall. Actually reminded me that within about 6 months I had a car tyre, my Tracer rear tyre and my bmw front tyre all plugged. That's £75 total for 3 tyre repairs.
Hi Freddie, what an epic trip you’ve just done ! …WOW 7000 miles ! ……..I 1st saw the X-75 Hurricane in a bike mag when it came out in about 1973 when I was 16/17 years old…..I fell in love instantly, they are beautiful things ! ……you saw my K1200S ( virtually the same bike as the K1300S) at The Veloce Club I bloody love it, 167 hp 0-60 2.8 secs & 180 mph & all for £1650 ! ….that K13S is amazing value at £2 grand, I could be tempted myself 😀
Freddie watching you in the desert with the wrangler had me yelling at my screen. So happy you figured out you have 4 wheel drive! I hope you put it back in 2 wheel drive when you got on the blacktop. I bet there were no Harley’s at a discount on that website. Lol when it comes to Harley’s, tubeless is the way to go. Harley’s are heavy, the sidewalls on there tires are super strong. So changing a tire to replace the tube ain’t easy by hand. With tubeless you just use a plug and your done. Those Rokons are pretty indestructible, there super slow but can do anything. I would rather have the Triumph Hurricane. That’s a cool bike. As long as you don’t burn up that center piston, a common problem. Glad you survived your trip. I bet Monica won’t ever eat camping food again 😜
Thanks Steve- luckily I’d juuuust learned enough from reading the manual that it must be 2nd for tarmac. The Jeep was faultless during the entire trip💪🏼
And yes- Monika’s done with ready meals… at least for a month or so😆
Freddie glad you had a great 👍 trip away in the Jeep mate . Hay just a suggestion with your next book , why don’t you call it Vol 2 and from the 1990,s to say 2020 . As your other one was 1950-1980 . You could do a Vol 3 “ time forgotten stories “ 1919-1949 “ . Also with the discounted bikes we haven’t got those great deals In Australia as we don’t have the same strict Euro restrictions. Even though we still get the bikes restricted the same way ( we just take the cats off and retune to fun the way they should) or even the way the manufacturers would like .
TUBES - the best compromise of Tube or tubeless ( both ) 🤔. So tubed front as that’s were you will mostly get bent rims ( off road riding ) so for off road a front tube is always a benefit to carry and as a temporary fix you can also put a front tube in a rear . So rear tubeless - as harder to change and get off and on and generally less punchers.
I've run tubes on old Vespas and basically they are more prone to rapid deflation than tubeless so from a safety aspect for me it's tubeless everytime. I didn't buy into the newer Enfield's for touring and went for a Bonni instead.
Back in the late 60’s my dad was a Rokon dealer. So naturally, as a young teen I had my fun with it. Back behind my dad’s business was a large swamp and no matter how hard I tried I was never able to get it stuck. One time I had it up to the seat in black gooey mud and the bike just kept churning along until it pulled itself out. If we wanted to take it some where we just dropped the tailgate of our pickup truck and just drive it right in. No ramp necessary. It was amazing fun to ride but unfortunately being in New Jersey 8 miles from NYC there weren’t my people interested in spending the money for one with very few places to ride and my dad dropped the dealership. Oh by the way it’s pronounced Roe- con.
Rokon, as used by Ed in Matt's off-road recovery.
When I was a student nurse, in the early 80s, there was a contractor at the hospital that had a Triumph Hurricane. It is the only one that I have ever seen. I believe that he exchanged it for a Suzuki GS1000. I bet he regrets that move now?!
I was going to buy one of these pre-reg CB125Fs from a dealership in north London, then looked at the insurance premiums for new riders. Nothing under a grand for 3rd party F&T in London and the same if I bought a 10-year-old Euro 4 model for half the price. I inquired about certain other bikes, like the Yamaha MT-125 and XSR-125, both more powerful than the Honda, and they both got premiums around £800.
Hi Freddie, regarding punctures in tubed tyres. A great guy called Ian who until very recently ran his TH-cam channel, Old School ADV Rider, swore by a product called 'Slime'. It has been around for many years and one bottle of this treats two tyres. It is a pre puncture treatment which will seal any new punctures, often without the rider being aware that they've even had a puncture. There was an example that he stated where a rider took his bike in for a new tyre, only to discover there were 5 or 6 punctures in the tube that this product had sealed. Worth considering perhaps....
Tubeless are _much_ safer, Freddie, for road use. I've had a blowout on a tubed tyre at speed and it was very scary. Most punctures are on the rear wheel (the front tyre launches the missile backwards) and if you've got a plugging kit and a means of inflation they can be repaired quickly and easily at the roadside. If you do it properly the plugged repair will last safely until the tyre is worn out. Compact, reasonably priced, quality kits are available.
Tubes do have their virtues in the wilderness, far from civilisation (including London and Ipswich), but you'll need to carry a spare plus heavy tyre levers plus . . .
If it's a Rokon, of course, you could fill the tyres with water or bourbon.
In the early 80s I wanted a vintage bike and saw the Hurricane at a back street shop in Chorley, lancs. I was very tempted but ended up with a BSA 650 Road Rocket which I totally broke down and did it up. Seeing the price of that Hurricane i obviously bought the wrong one although I did love the BSA and kept it for years.
Wow, did you know how rare the Hurricane was at the time you saw it in the shop?
@@tuesdayatdobbs No it was just another vintage bike and wasn't any dearer than the rest of them. Time obviously makes things different.
Lightweight off-road it's tubes for me cos I can still get home should be rim get dented after a spirited jump with a hard landing. Get stuck there on a dented tubeless rim. Tubeless good for when I'm sticking to tarmac only, as mentioned underneath can get repaired by the roadside in short time.
Thanks for an interesting and informative vlog Freddie,
Best wishes 🏁
Generally these days tubed and tubeless have different but specific features and benefits dependent on the use and application and rarely can they be interchanged.
I just bought a 2021 Ducati Desert Sled with 3,000 miles for $7,000.00 US and it's in mint condition.
We like tubeless because we can plug a puncture without taking the tyre off. Simple.
Just made my Harley sporty with spoked wheels to Tubless ;-) Much easier to fix a puncture. Why would you change the tyre everytime you get a puncture, that is madness.
Hah yeh, had a ZZR1400 delimited with a quickshifter fitted - wish I’d kept it, but decided I’d either be boxed up or locked up if I kept it - the most monumental bike I’ve ever ridden and when you look at the speedo and it shows 160 ( could go up to nearly 200mph ) it’s probably time to re think !
Blade Abingdon near Oxford has mental pre registered savings. a 1290 super duke R with a £6444 saving. less than £200pm to have a hypernaked bike and full warranty
Aren't Transalp 750's already E5? Perhaps the pre registration is more about factory bonuses for volume targets more than emissions.
I used to think tubeless was a smart idea and easier, but...yeah there is a good reason why adventure bikes have tubed tires! So easy to repair or replace the inner tube and just ride on, then to have to repair a tubeless and hope it I'll survive the trip to a shop, only to loose 200+ bucks on a new tire!
All modern ADV bikes have tubeless tires. Yes true dirt bikes or dual sport have tubed but none from BMW, Triumph Tigers, KTM, or Japanese ADV bikes…all tubeless
@@WilliamWBGTenere and the 21” front V-stroms still run tubes for some silly reason.
@@WilliamWBG All?! big statement! haha!
It's pretty easy to spot though, if the rims have spokes, real ones, not the ones welded on the rim, then it has a tube! Anyway i guess it's what you prefer in the end, i prefer to be able to fix of swap an innertube whenever where ever, carrying around a full heavy extra tire seems ridiculous for punctures! And yes you can fix a puncture on a tubeless, but that means get your ass to a shop and get a new tire, which will cost you time and money, WAY more time and money then an innertube!
@ You could have saved yourself a lot of typing by just saying you don’t understand wheels and tyres.
Tubeless spoked wheels have proper spokes (just tensioned on the hub-side rather than the rim-side) and who on earth buys a new tyre after a fixable puncture?
Enjoy lugging around inner tubes and removing wheels at the side of the road. I’ll stop and help if I pass by on my patched tubeless.
Re pre reg bikes, seems by the savings quoted you are basically saving what you would have paid VAT….except KTM which are also discounted.
I’ve used one of those plug kits on a bmw car as a quick fix and that was a few weeks ago now and it’s still holding up. Not sure how long I should push my luck though 😅
if it's "registered" - isn't it, fundamentally, a "Used Bike" and has to be sold as one? Assume, therefore any WARRANTY, is also shortened accordingly, even though it may have done zero miles.? And what about VAT - should it not also be set under the VAT Margin system?
First Dobbs video I’ve watched in a year….. he still knows SFA about bikes…. 🤦🏼♂️
I think you just wrecked your inbox Freddie asking that question 🤣🤣
Tubes can be replaced .........BUT....you first need to survive the blowout as tubes let go of all the air at once. At motorway speed the wobble is terrifying if its the front that is gone.
I got a puncture in France and was able to plug it and ride to a bike shop where I got a permanent repair for €30
The Benelli Sei you showed is the later model. The original was similarly styled to the Moto Guzzi T3 - probably because De Tomaso owned both companies. I don't think the later styling has anything to do with the Hurricane. The late Guzzi and Benelli styling was influenced by the boxy look of late 70's cars and had far more to do with De Tomaso taking control of the styling. The Benelli 500-4's engine was so similar to a Honda 500 that there were rumours about some parts being interchangeable although I've never heard of anyone actually proving it.
Dear Freddy
After listening to your video about tubed or tubeless tyres, are you aware that you can fit tubes to tubeless tyres,
So you don't have to replace an expensive tubeless tyre after a puncture, just fit a tube, happy days. 😀 Roy Bridgwater Somerset.
Interesting re the dealers pre registering bikes otherwise they don’t meet regs and cant be sold. I wonder if the manufacturers help the dealers as they would be taking initial hit from new bikes to second hand. Also i wonder if the dealer have registered the bike are the buyers now the 2nd owner on log book??
I’m curious about this re the manufacturers helping out, because the squeeze will be almost unbearable for dealers to take.
Yep I’m certain this’ll mean all pre-registered bikes do technically already have one owner (the dealership)
If you buy a pre registered bike then yes you are the second owner.
No VAT on a 2nd hand bike...so,if buying an ex demo, take the VAT off plus £500...stand firm
The Warranty clock starts ticking. ⏰
Just bought a pre reg royal Enfield Himalayan 450 and the warranty starts when I collect the bike, 1k off list price. No otr charges just need to tax the bike.
Morning Freddie, just had four separate adds in this 23 minute video; do you have any control over this or is just my bad luck. Drives me mad 😂🙈!!
Use BRAVE Browser if on a laptop/desktop/even a phone. Not much can be done for a SmartTV app.
Bol d'or motorcycles, Pulborough has a Triumph Hurricane for sale. £24,950. Lovely bike.
Current BSA Gold Star owners must be delighted…..
This is the big problem. I’d be a little annoyed
I agree, they'll be very happy. Buy one and have a cheap source of readily available spare parts.
Once a bike is registered the warranty and breakdown etc starts ticking. Trust me. I bought a brand new ( Boxed) VStrom 800DE. Pre-reg , zero miles. It was actually 1 year of age. The breakdown warranty had expired and the 7 year warranty is now only 6 years. Buyers have never had it so good. Get haggling and you can get a bargain !!
I did over 5,000 miles in Europe in the summer of 2000 in my Wrangler 4.0 Ltd. It's what happens later. Hopefully yours will be alright, Freddie. Nick
That Rokon would be a seriously useful farm bike in NZ. A Trailbreaker with a Honda engine. Yep. I Googled it! :)
One thing your forgetting is that your bike to part exchange will be dramatically lowered so that your buying power is reduced!
K1300s is truly a fantastic bike but parts are eye wateringly expensive also servicing.
Headline this time next year: “Now that we’re on Euro 54, Triumph, BSA, and Ducati have announced that they are switching to making coffee makers”.
hi freddy bought a brand new 23 model sporster s $7,000 aus off new,$20 000 on road 2 year warranty price ,harley dealer said clearing all stock for 25 models
If you get a puncture in tubed tyres, your day's done. With tubeless, simply fix the puncture with one of the many repair kits and off you go. No waiting for recovery trucks.
I wouldn't consider tubed tyres.
Hey Freddie, where did you get your side panniers for your Bonneville? They look simple and nice.
On the tube or tubeless question, I believe tubeless makes more sense. Not all punctures require a new tire, some can be managed with the puncture kit. As a guy that rides everyday, having tubed tires is risky and troublesome. Imagine when you riding quite fast and the tube punctures.
Hepco & Becker
@ being in Malaysia and the price is crazy after conversion
Freddie, mate. How can you not have heard of the Hurricane?
Tubeless, otherwise you can’t have TPMS. Which is now standard on most HD models as of 2025
To be fair, a lot of places (in the UK at least) won’t plug a bike tyre under any circumstances.
It’s obviously safe enough to be trusted given the number of comments here but it’s not really the same as plugging a car tyre. On a car you’ve got three failsafes and arguably less critical reliance on the wheels for stability.
Whilst I can agree with the benefits of tubeless, I’d still favour a new tyre over a plugged one if I got a puncture.
People know BMW motorcycles are complex bikes. Used BMW bikes are often hard to sell because people that might be able to afford the bike are scared off by the potential repair bills. Even routine dealer service can be eye-wateringly expensive.
Not just BMW. ALL BIKES. There is no cheap service even for Japanese bikes. You take a bike to get serviced, it’s gonna be shockingly expensive
I waited to buy a bike until this week. I've just paid £5000 for a new RE Interceptor 'California' It is pre-registered and the list price should be £6700. I snapped the dealers hand off at that saving.
Hi Freddie when I’m out cycling I’m forever picking up nails and screws from roadsides .Ps have you seen vids of Japanese manufacturers new mid range Retro models ?.
Bought a brand new Honda CL500 this weekend for £4,499.
8:54 reason you've never heard of it, it's expensive and a very niche vehicle 😂
ANYONE that has been stranded with a flat tubed tire, understands the importance of being able to fix typical nail type puncture and get back on the road. Repairing the flat on a T120 while 80 miles out in the rural country will make the most mild tempered man go madly insane cursing Triumph still using tubed tires. I bought a new motorcycle after my experience and relegate the T120 to rides around the city
“Rokin uses standard American parts nuts and bolts” hahaha that shounds horrible, you can’t get “standard” or imperial nuts and bolts in large parts of the world, as we use metric. That actually makes the Rokin incredibly annoying to maintain.
Never heard of the hurricane ? Behave !
I went to a new bsa dealer near me I am Leeds it's aka automotive in Shipley the gold was 4750 great price and pre registered so I thought ring bikesure to add it to my other 3 bikes and I got quoted 154 pounds for three months the insurance said they thought they where a more than the price I told them they because it's a brand new bike so it cost so much for three months so I just ok it does not matter and hung up I am 73 I have only been back to biking since July 2020 I no i have a long lay off its eye water the cost off insurance now but I will keep on biking as long as can
All old bikes are not selling, which is ridiculous because of how cheap they are.
It gets even worse when you go pre-ABS times, new riders are scared of not even having traction control, much more about lacking ABS braking.
It's a little sad at times to see these marvelous bikes be standing in a shed or even out in the open with no interest from anyone.
At some point they'll be scrapped.
I got a Honda CBR 600 F2 PC25 with only 18k km on it for only 1.75k €, it now has 24k km.
I just got a Kawasaki ER-5 with a little more than 11k km for only 1k €. The valve service at 12k km would cost at least 500€ according to the Kawasaki workshop.
The cost of ownership exceeds the bikes value in most of those cases, if you don't work on it yourself you might as well ride it to scrap doing no service at all and buy another old one instead, which is an admittedly painful idea to think about.
Yes the Hurricanes are rare but not as rare as the Italjet Grifon, Triumph Bonneville Engine in an Italjet Frame only 25 built ! A few survive...
Oh WOW!!
Nice video , thank you
I took a BMW K1200RS around Scotland form Eastbourne. Fantastic machine, but heavy
If or when the UK motorbike manufacturers follow the incredibly aggressive pricing structure of the 1000cc Hornet and with this glut of Pre Reg discounts the subsequent collapse of 3year old residual values will trap many bikers with Pcps because they have no equity...
Trust me I sold new cars for 30yrs many on Pcps and this is a mathematical certainty?...
Very very interesting😳
@tuesdayatdobbs what would be interesting is to known what percentage of 2-3 year old product is on pcps because theres going to be an huge amount of "VT"s Voluntary Terminations aka simply handing the vehicle back at the end of contract because customers are "upside down" and the finance companies will be carrying the loss???
Only new bike I would entertain is the Honda CT125 but they never released them here. Yet imported ones are selling for £5000 a good £1000 more than other new Honda 125's.
I remember seeing ROKON bikes in motorcycle encyclopedias when I was a kid a long time ago! I guess the CT is just a slightly more sensible one.
Have a look at one of Itchy Boots recent videos with a puncture on tubes, couldn't have plugged that if it was tubeless.