I’m pretty sure the difference is the fact that the caller was new to listening to his show. Had he been a long-time listener, I doubt Dave would have responded so calmly lol.
I think part of it is he hasn’t made what Dave considered the mistake. What he usually gets is calls about how can I undo my decision, they already got into a mess. This man is asking what would be best to do with his options.
I financed a CRV 72 months when I was earlier in my career. The minute my income increased, I paid the car off two years early and started saving/investing the car payment money. CRVs last forever and have great resale value. I’ll probably have it another 10 years. Super low maintenance costs and extremely reliable.
I bought a car, paid it off in 4 yrs and drove it for 17 yrs total. So for 13 years I used that money to invest AND save up to pay cash for my next vehicle. In my opinion, people have a very expensive obsession with vehicles.
@Ken Jones Congrats, dude! I just bought my wife a brand new Subaru. Paid cash for it. Meanwhile, I'm still driving my 12 year old Wrangler, and even though I want a new Takoma, instead of making a car payment, we are putting money in the bank every month until we have enough to pay cash for the Takoma. Debt free is the way to live.
Well said! I am also here to learn how to invest after listening to a lady on tv talk about the importance of investing and how she made 7 figures in 3 months, somehow the video taught me nothing and left me even more confused, I'm a newbie and I'm open to ideas on how to invest for retirement
@@harrisonjamie794 lookup KRISTIN GAIL CUNNINGHAM , this is her name online, she's the real investment prodigy since the crash and has helped me recover my loses
@@harrisonjamie794 Investment now will be wise but the truth is investing on your own will be high risk. I think it will be best to get a professional👌
everyone being recommended this : Please keep in mind.. Dave uses a one size fits all approach to his advice and most the time there are better options for your particular situation. :)
@@Freedom20241 Debt is a better option when the cost to finance is lower than the gains you could make with your money being placed elsewhere. Dave is great for people with no impulse control, but not everyone.
Try to remember something people, money will always come and go. Try not to obsess over it too much! Everyone is so concerned about percentages, decimal points, and dollar signs, and how much I’ll have when I retire at 65 or 70. Just stop….look around the world, and understand that one day it’s all going to be over anyway. Do you want to live your life obsessing over every quarter, dime, nickel, and penny you have? Or do you want to enjoy your life? Take care of your finances yes, but don’t forget to go live once in a while too. Just don’t put yourself in a predicament where you owe so much! Do that, and all of you will be fine. Have a great day 👍
This!!! Thank you! What’s the point of obsessing over saving if you’re always going to have to obsess over saving even once you retire? There’s no freedom in that.
@@toptrims you don’t need to obsess over it. Just do it. You will be old eventually or you may get sick and the stress that comes with both of those if you didn’t save your entire life is intense
@@Mike-cz2yw It's a mindset thing. You can give a broke people a ton of money and they will be broke again over time unless they change their mindset and get some discipline.
My NYC husband moved to SC, where we met. He was astounded that folks make car payments (interest) on a depreciating assets. Blew his mind, as he has always paid cash for used cars.
The thing that was my epiphany was this... I would not have though twice about financing 40k to 45k. If I pay cash I would only spend between 10k to 15k. That is a big difference.....
@@daggergblue Obviously, no one actually walks in a dealership with a satchel/briefcase full of cash to buy a car. You get a banker's check and buy the car that way. Easy...assuming you have the money for the banker's check!
You should never negotiate with a dealership on "payment" - that's how they get you. Always on price (also better if you come in with financing already arranged through your bank or credit union so you get a better interest rate).
The only thing not mentioned that should be taken into consideration is maintenance costs on a used car. Depending on the person, and if they can't work on the car themselves, those amounts can add up. Should have been mentioned.
@@tompain2751 That depends on what used car you have. If you have an old lexus that uses 15L/100km premium gas at $2/L plus the cost of expensive maintenance vs. a leased hybrid car that uses 5L/100km and zero maintenance cost, calculate how much that monthly lease cost vs. that older car. Not to mention having unexpected expenses like major oil leaka, AC not working, blown head gasket etc. A blown head gasket for a lexus cost $6000 to fix, A new toyota corolla cost $25000. I mean spending $6000 to fix a depreciating asset where you wont see the benefit of that $6000 in resale value will make the car just totalled where you might as well eat the $2000 cost of not repairing it at all since the car value is only $8000. Another issue is longevity with Used older cars. The best is to buy a one year old car that still has warranty where you dont pay for freight, delivery and extra costs and save on high tax.
When he talks about people that care about monthly cost and don’t ask the total cost, I 100% agree. Now, in 2017 we financed a car. When we walked into the dealer, I told them I wanted the total cost including taxes, didn’t care about monthly payments. They listened, and it went smoothly. We ultimately got a Costco discount on the vehicle.
Everybody should care about their monthly cost, are you crazy?? Saying "how much" means nothing if you can't afford the monthly cost or if you can't pay cash
@@bigdawg1372 affording the monthly cost was never going to be an issue. $389 a month for 60 months was the term. Dealerships will play around and say stuff like “oh you can size up and pay $380 per month”, but for 72 months. People eat that crap up. That’s what I was referring to. Otherwise if you only look at the monthly cost you could find yourself in one of those 84 month loans and not realize how more you are spending.
@@JB-ri6zp considering I went car shopping again not that long ago, I did try that, and it worked just fine. Even found a dealer that was accepting our friends and family discount (I work for a company that contracts with all the major auto makers). The “price adjustment” is all bs. You don’t have to pay that, and there are plenty of dealers that aren’t doing that.
I have never owned a car past 20,000 miles. And the only reason I’ve leased cars is because I’ve been working in the automotive industry for the last 8 years so I get heavily discounted company leases and my company pays for car insurance and (most) car maintenance services are fully covered. Everyone’s situation is different but my ideal situation is to go through my company leasing program. I also have the option to buy out my car leases with a 18% employee discount.
Riste Kostadinov yesh sort of true leasing is for people who already waste it on ubers and taxis or already financed a car for years and have a old car
Exactly. If you were to finance and "buy" the same car, the car's the blue book value would depreciate over 70-80% by the time you were done paying it off. And when that happens you'll probably end up selling it and financing another car...
I'm always looking at new/newer cars, and my main question is always "How much?" I'm too cheap to ever get it though. Still rolling in the 89 firebird with 350k miles I bought 21 years ago.
@Robert Blackford I'm trying to work myself up to getting something new. Minor collision a few years ago. Some idiot with no insurance hit me. My insurance totaled it. Got $1100 and fixed it myself. I do have a 'newer' car, 2000 neon that was free, but it has issues. Firebird started dying though recently, so rolling in the neon for now.
@@ordinaryJeff If you want to buy your next car and save, dont buy domestic cars buy japaneae cars like toyota and honda that are more reliable and have cheap and readily available parts. That is if you want to save money while have a reliable transportation, an A to B car. Doesnt make sense to keep 20 year old domeatic cars like dodge neon that have terrible reliability and dodge is famous for that while trying to save money.
@@samjam6989 Yeah, it's probably time to clean up the neon as much as I can this summer and sell it for what I can. Then start looking at a newer used car.
I am not a fan of leasing, but if you are way under the mileage limit and it has been a great car so far, buying out the lease may make sense, especially if you can pay cash.
What a difference a year makes! With the crazy prices for cars, a lease today will protect you from being massively upside down in equity. Lots of videos advising about this currently
@@timswauger8381 Divorced people can tell you what to look for so you don't end up in their situation. Broke people don't understand money (there are exceptions of course).
Leasing makes sense for many people. Especially the rich. Some people want the experience of certain cars but don’t wanna get stuck with long-term maintenance and repairs. I have leased 2 Cadillacs after financing one. You don’t wanna get stuck paying on an OLD Cadillac.
This year we paid off both vehicles super early and it is a joy to not have monthly payments. Next order of business is building that emergency fund so repairs or surprise costs aren't an issue.
Exactly. That is just common sense. There are some things we have to take a loan for a house and education and maybe a car. However one has to be reasonable. If you don't have money you need to compromise on all of these things. You don't go to the most expensive school or dream home or dream car.
Do you own a home? Unlikely that you paid cash. Not borrowing under reasonable circumstances and having the ability to pay is to live a life of mediocrity. One who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing leads a rather humdrum existence
There is nothing wrong with borrowing for large purchases like a house or a car, assuming you can get a decent interest rate and can afford it. The problem is people borrowing more than what they can afford.
The only time you need to lease a car is first you can write it off for business or you are only going to be in a certain area for a certain time I learned this 40 years ago
I would love to hear a breakdown comparing a used Car’s average cost of repairs/maintainace over its life compared with a leased’s cars cost over the life of the car !!!
If you get a reliable car, you pay it off and put money aside for repairs. That's what your emergency fund is for. Having no car payments is a beautiful thing.
A wealthy person told me you rent assets that depreciate and you buy assets that appreciate. A new car will depreciate as soon as you drive it off of the lot. Leasing works for me and I'm not rich.
@tRiCKy By that math you buy a car for 20K, it depreciates 160 / month and you drive it for 5 years. That vehicle is now sold for 11,400. If you lease a car worth a similar amount lets say payments are $60 weekly. Which is a really good lease rate.. Over that 5 years you pay $14,400. Plus you have to add interest or apraisal rates. So in this example (which I admit the math may not be perfect, but accurate enough) leasing is more expensive over time despite the depreciating vehicle. In 5 years the buyer paid under 9k but leaser paid about 15k
Long story short; do without whatever it is you desire in life until you can buy it cash. If your job doesn’t pay you enough money to save up fast enough to buy something cash then you should never think about owning it.
How do you suggest one get's to and from said job? Magic teleportation? Spend whatever countless dollars on taxis, or ubers? Or did your mommy buy you a car to start off with?
I think that was very good advice. Your comment about people with money asking"how much" is very true. Borrowing to buy a depreciating asset should be avoided when ever possible.
for business owners /small big write off maybe good idea ...let say for example : If your lease is $400 a month and you use it 50 percent for business, you may deduct $2,400 ($200 x 12 months).
I lease. In MIchigan I pay 6% sales tax on the monthly payment and not the full value of the car. Instant savings. Always have a car under warranty , not stuck with lemons , and hope those dangerous touchscreens go away.
I just paid 1k for a 98 Saturn with 140k miles. I could have bought 10 cars if I had 25k saved no need for a lease or a payment. Just pay cash it’s not hard to buy a car save up for 10 months and then sell your old car and upgrade with what you have saved plus the sale of the old vehicle and just keep doing that until you get up to whatever price car you want.
Exactly. I paid 2500 for a 95 Silverado single cab with 143k on it. This truck will go to 243k like it’s nothing. Why pay $20000-25,000 per 100k miles for a new pickup when you can pay 2500
I paid my first car off. I was so happy…. Let someone drive it and the car got totaled. I was crushed. Financed another vehicle and now the engine went on that. For me, leasing seems like the best Option considering I’m only going to and from work. The car prices today are outrageous and I’m so overwhelmed every time I’m at the dealership.
@@Meatandveggieeater Its funny how some argue what is best for YOU. Leasing has its benefits. Plus many for get the AVERAGE monthly cost of owning/operating a car. It’s a few hundred dollars per month if you keep up on the maintenance. A few times per year it can be a few grand in maintenance. Actually, leasing can be better for people with less money to pay a few guste nd monthly vs hoping to have a few thousand saved for repairs! 😅
Use it up Wear it out Make it do or do without! Married 54 years. Made mistakes at first but followed this principle as my guide for many years. I am proud to just be “normal”. No house or car payment for the last 28 years. Awesome life and I am a happy wife.
I may have one of the few success stories related to this topic. My husband prior to our marriage leased his current vehicle. No down payment. $250/mo for 24 months. At the end of the 24 months we had the option to purchase it for $18k, making it a total investment of $24k, and the vehicle is worth $36k. Buying it was the smart thing to do. It's basically new, super low mileage. I understand the magic is in the initial negotiation, like avoiding a down payment and junk fees. Also, leasing makes no sense for people that do a lot of driving as they will exceed the allowable mileage which will cost $ at the end.
Keep in mind he’s saying ‘and buying out at end of lease.” That’s the problem - never do that - little option to negotiate. Lease and then lease again is best method if you don’t want to own a car. Prior comments are on point, leasing is not for everyone.
exacty, you NEVER buyout a lease. Doing so takes away every advantage of leasing in the first place. I've had cars I absolutely loved and walked from because I knew if I wanted to keep it, I should have just bought it from day one. Never buy a lease at the end. I guess the only exception would be you damaged it soo much and drove it so far the return fees are more than buying it in which case you are not the type of person leases are meant for.
How do you justify wasted time on used car when it breaks? And you know, most of modern vehicles tend to break starting at 4 -5 years old. Now, with lease , assuming you pull the deal where the lease cost is 1% of vehicle cost [of cause the dealer invoice cost - all rebates) (not very hard thing to do by the way), you drive latest and safest vehicle, you enjoy life and car, watching when your neighbor spends time looking for good body shop which he never finds, then gets angry knowing that his vehicle wasn't fixed up to spec and preparing for next expensive issue with his old car. To each his own With lease you buy a comfort. Who can put price tag on comfort?
I agree, leasing is pretty care free and actually pretty affordable if you negotiate a good deal and know how much you should be paying. Leasing is also better if you're getting more of an uncommon car like bmw or mercedes, because maintaining a car like that is insanely expensive down the road if you finance it
I've bought and leased vehicles. I find that once a vehicle is paid off, they seem to fall apart. It starts to become a game of whack a mole, once you fix one problem, another one pops up. It's really two sides of the same coin.
not to mention leasing allows you to drive a new car every 2 to 3yrs, most ppl get bored driving the same thing past 5yrs unless its a high end sports or luxury car.
Okay. ! traded in my 2013 F-150 for a new 2017 F-150. The difference between my trade and the 2 year lease was $8000, so dealer gave me a cheque. I drove the truck for 2 years, and liked it, so I bought out the lease. The buy out price was about $3000 LESS than the market value of the truck, BTW, the $42,000 that I didn't spend on the truck for the two year lease earned me another 8%. I was against leasing too, but after this deal, I am a fan, as long as you have the cash to purchase the vehicle outright.
Been leasing for years, big question here is how many miles do you drive per year? My leases are with 15k per year, if you go over its realistically not for you. I don't know many that buy the car after the lease as stated its a no no. I enjoy driving a new car every few years with no worries. My latest lease was an end of year model with maintaince included no money down. Many get rid of a car after 4-5 years and on top of the normal depreciation ( 50%) a trade in at the dealer is usually a 2-3k loss. Today's cars are nightmares to repair after warranty is over, CVT transmissions, DGI engines, all become a nightmare years down the line. Also be aware the used car dealers know the defects of cars I mentioned thus reducing what they will actually pay for your used car. Good luck out there if you are buying used do some research, there is plenty out there on line...
I agree with you. Leasing is not for everyone. But it can work . Telling this guy to tie up most of savings in used car makes no sense. He will soon find out he had no worries about repairs .now he will Your better off investing it.
Almost all lease vs. buy/finance all favor buying used reliable vehicles. But the big factor that gets overlooked is maintenance of the vehicle. Most finance guys do not factor this into the cost of owning a used vehicle. After the vehicle hits its third year, the car is going to need maintenance/ service/ repairs let’s see... tire replaced, battery, replaced, brake pads, trans fluid, these are just routine maintenance and costs at least five hundred per, now your car goes to five years, things like, timing belt, tune ups. 02 sensors, are going to be major costs upwards of thousand bucks give or take. I’ve lease a new vehicle every 36, s as no I love getting to drive a new vehicle with absolutely no worries, just oil changes. But I also bought a pre owned vehicle , due to mileage put on the vehicle. Meaning I drive around 25k a year and my wife who doesn’t drive much uses the lease car. But don’t forget the cost of ownership gets fairly substantial after the car goes over 50 k miles, I wish these financial gurus would incorporate that into their buy vs lease debate
Most people drive more than 15k miles a year. At $200/month for the lease, I’d lease being that he already has a lease. It’s help to know how much this caller drives per year...
Dave Ramsey is just as old-school as it gets with little of the nuance you presented. After hearing all of these arguments, I still think leasing is the better option if I plan to purchase a car to keep for a long time very soon but not ready to put a lot of money down yet.
Bought a new Jeep Liberty in 2007. Still have it, runs and looks like a new one and has 88,000 miles on it. I paid 18k for it and wrote a check when I bought it so, no payments, I have owned it since new. Probably worth a few thousand dollars but who cares, am never going to sell it. Owning is always better than renting.
Leasing is fine if you are the type of person who can actually afford it. If your making $100,000+ /year then you can absolutely afford a $200 lease all-in. That’s just $4800/year. Which is 4.8% of your annual pay.... with a lease you don’t need to worry about maintenance or paying for repairs if the vehicle breaks down, it’s all taken care of for free by the dealership. This piece of mind is also VERY nice to have, because when you OWN a vehicle you are responsible for everything , and mechanic expenses can add up quick especially if you are buying a used vehicle. If you instead bought a used vehicle for $15,000 and it breaks down or needs repairs you are held accountable for it which adds to the overall expense of the vehicle. With a lease the day you leave the dealership you know exactly how much your going to be spending over the next 2 or 3 years.... Not saying 1 way is better than the other but I feel like certain options work better for some over others. - I leased my vehicle and bought it out at the end of the lease, but I squeezed everything I could have out of the dealer for 2 straight days before signing the dotted line. I ended up paying about $3,500 over sticker in the end... So yes, the lease cost me more money, but not by THAT much and if you include the free maintenances I got over the 3 year term it would be more like $2,500 that I overpaid by. But at the time of leasing the vehicle I was unsure of weather I wanted to actually have a vehicle for long term or if it was just for that period of time when I needed it. It allowed me the freedom of knowing I wasn’t stuck with a vehicle and could give it in at the end if I wanted too. I ended up falling in love with the vehicle and I got a lot of use out of it, so decided to keep it....and wrote them a check for the remainder of the amount on the vehicle, no more payments / no borrowing money. I think a lot of people just lease vehicles that are too expensive for them to ever own which burdens them , along with people getting ripped off by dealerships because they are too afraid to negotiate. When I’m at a dealership I don’t stop, I keep going and prodding for a better deal talking them down lower and lower and lower until they get tired of me lol... Just my .02 - again not saying 1 things better than the other, but different circumstances dictate for a person to person basis - and to dismiss leasing entirely is wrong IMO
I totally agree. The money you're paying over the price is basically for the ability to have no stress with the vehicle during the use and having to go through any hassle of selling it after. As you said, the pivotal thing is, if you can afford it. These are the reasons you make make, conveniences like this to enjoy and have less stress in your life. But if you're trying to make money and build and get out of a hole then it sounds like by using your real life example that buying an affordable car could be a better way to go in the long run. The savings may even be much higher than what you reported. Every little helps I guess. Also was it 200 bucks a month? Which would be 2400, an even lower % of your annual income.
RAMBALZ yes, I agree with ya. Also, the price of the lease and salary are not mine personally. Those figures were made up just to show that a lease could work IF it was somebody making $100k/year ... and that opt for a $200/month lease. My numbers are both different - salary and lease payment. The point I was making with my experience with my lease is that I only overpaid roughly $4,000 for the vehicle at the end of the lease and decided to buy it out.....but had peace of mind knowing I didn’t have to pay for any maintenance throughout the years, and I wasn’t stuck with the vehicle if I didn’t want to keep it I wouldn’t have had to sell it. You are buying convenience with your money just like with everything else is life. Also unless I misread you’re post, it is $2,400/year if the lease is $200/month as 200x12 = 2,400. Thanks for the reply! Have a great night.
It’s not a great thing to spend money on, having a new car every couple years, but if you’re going to then the lease option is a good way to go. I agree that’s there are definitely circumstances where leasing is a good way to go. However on the flip side, for 98% of Dave’s listeners leasing is a terrible idea.
Here is a lil fun fact. The picture to the left of this text with that 2003 f150. I boughtthis truck 10 years ago for 5800 dollars. Bought it cash it had 83,000 miles. I am still driving this as my daily driver 204,000 miles later. On average I have a annual maintenance cost of 550-600 a year . I do most all the maintenance work myself. Even if you took the truck to the shop for the work that annual maintenance cost would maybe be 800-1000. Which for the whole year is not bad at all.
Appreciate that - but it only addresses the cost of money (and related) it doesn't address the cost to keep the car - specifically repair bills, that you DON'T GET with a lease - right?? (Or any new car presumably.)
There is nothing wrong with a lease on a car depending on the car. It all depends on what you want. I worked in a city with very long stop and go commutes. Leasing was a good way to put all that wear and tear on someone else's car. A car that is nicer than you could otherwise afford. Stop and go traffic is brutal on a car. Some people need a nice car. Successful people do not do business with people who don't appear successful.
A super simple way to know that “how much” is better than “how much down and how much per month” is this: add up the latter, subtract the former, and there’s the money you are wasting.
Ever since I was 16 I've been surrounded by people who ask how much per week, what's my monthly payment, how much do I have to have down. I have always been the guy that added it all up and said wait a minute this is the best way to do it. I'm 38 and I'm still just doing okay, despite all my careful choices. Rich people have something else altogether.
This is the 4th video I have watched with a call in and everyone makes at least 125k/year ? I don’t know anyone who makes anywhere close to that. I’m gonna keep watching and look for others who are in a more “realistic” situation like myself. Sorry if this offends anyone
Yeah. It took him a bit to think about it. If he makes that much he wouldn't be worrying about 200/month. I know people that make 125k/year that have BMWs and manage fine with buying and leasing.
It’s always more expensive to rent something (ie lease) than to buy the same thing. Leasing serves two important purposes, to release you from a vehicle at end-of-term that you‘be decided you won’t want to keep and to reduce the monthly cost for that decision. I lease every vehicle for small monthly payments and my cars are always in-warranty. But if you know you want to own something indefinitely, then certainly buy it and pay it off asap.
My cousin leased a brand new 1995 Toyota Camry for three years. By the time she was done paying for the car, they wanted to charge her an additional $3000 in penalty fees, or a balloon payment of $18,000 on top of the money she already put into the lease payments. After witnessing what she went through all those years ago, I can only imagine it’s gotten worse.
If it was truly that bad then no one would lease. Many people who lease actually understand the risks involved and the differences between leasing and owning. I’ve leased multiple cars and never once paid penalties. If a person abuses their vehicle, doesn’t maintain it, or drives more miles than the lease provides then yes, expect penalties. That’s not leasing’s fault. It’s the fault of the individual who doesn’t understand the terms of the lease. Also, buying a vehicle at the end of a lease is usually a poor financial move. That person should have purchased from the beginning.
@@mart0225 she didn’t purchase it at the end of the lease. They charged her for anything they could think of. She is the type person who keeps a vehicle immaculate, and garage kept. Afterwards she purchased a brand new plain Jain Ford Ranger single cab pick up w/ a manual transmission, kept it for 20 years and only put 30k miles on it.
@@JustMe99999 the car was immaculate when she turned it back in. She said if she would have known they were gonna railroad her on everything they could think of, she would have racked up the miles! She had to park it so many times at the end of each year to keep the mileage low. Then they nickeled snd dimed her for every rock chip, dimple, or blemish on the car. She ended up buying a Toyota Camry from another dealership, and never leased another car afterwards.
I had leased a brand new Honda Civic Si a few years ago, really nice car but I realized how stupid that was, so I sold it luckily I was only upside down $100. Bought myself an 02 Tacoma and put 50,000 on it so far, it hasn’t skipped a beat and its a waaaay nice car than the civic because it’s not taking my money every month. All my friends made fun of me for going down in car, but now few of them are asking me if they should do the same lol
I bought a used 2009 Honda Accord for 15K back in 2012 and sold it for 5K in 2019. 4K in repairs and maintenance so it cost me around $165 for 86 months. My experience during this ownership, selling wasn't easy, since it was an older car, repairs were a pain and I ended up driving a dated car for a good period of time. (lacking new safety features, Android/Apple car play and etc.) In summary, I think it's a great deal if you can lease a nice car around $200 with no down payment and etc. Of course, how many miles you're driving plays a big role, you can't lease if you drive a lot. I agree with Dave on paying cash if you're buying since what's the point of paying interest to the bank but sometimes leasing makes more sense. Overall though you buy or lease, look for a great deal, you end up loosing a lot less, if you buy or lease cheaper than average.
There are many personal reasons why someone might want to lease, but as Dave noted, for most people it's going to be the most expensive way to drive a car.
It’s tricky. If you lease a vehicle with insane market value like a 4 runner, you can lease it and sell it at the end of the lease and actually make money or have very little negative equity. That woulda been golden before pandemic shortage bc of the inflated prices as well. This allows you to remain flexible and go over mileage. Depends on strategy and vehicle market value.
Dave, I've leased and purchased cars. In my experience if you don't drive more than 10k a year and you take care of cars you're better off leasing. Down payment is less, I get to drive a new car every three years and the best thing is if I get into an accident, I get it fixed and return it after the lease is up. If I had purchased it, everyone you try to sell it to wants to give you less as they wave the car fax in front of your face. Thanks
Agree. Leasing is not for everyone , more often than not everyone tries to low ball you. And the way leases are nowadays the money factor is really less , sometimes almost nothing. Again to each his own.
These days, I prefer leasing because the quality and durability of new cars just don't measure up to the past. I still keep my old, fully paid SUV for occasional use, but I lease a small car for my daily commute.
I am an off lease inspector and inspect cars at the end of lease for large finance companies. From what 90% of the customers tell me, it's not about being flashy or not wanting a a used car so they can be debt free, it's the repairs !! People do NOT want to deal with repairs !! So they lease every 3 years cause the vehicle is under warranty aside from the regular maintenance. What's the usual repair cost for a used, 5 year or older, paid in full, car? Depending on male and model, About $2k - $2.5k a year? In this guy's case, $200 a month for a lease (must be a cheap compact) is roughly the same amount for a new car with a warranty vs a used car with yearly repair costs. Please understand, if you get a used high line German or British car, you will be way over $2500 a year. Those are high maintenance vehicles. Honda, Toyota products, even Acura/Lexus are very reliable and not so much in repair costs.
Leasing is still more expensive overall. You are paying for that convenience or luxury of not dealing with repairs. Most new cars do not need major repairs until about year 8 to 10. So if you want to lease just know you are paying more overall and you don't own anything if you don't buy car at end. You are just living an expensive hassle free life renting a car. Getting rich without rich parents requires doiing without on some things. Leasing is not the " rice and beans" of car ownership, it is caviar and champagne.
I like how he say about the lease as in horrible way because either way the lease payment is always structured the dealer advantage because they have to make money. But putting a large amount of security blanket money is just way too scary for common people.
Leasing makes more sense than buying a vehicle for a business in certain states. The lease is a cost of business and can be deducted from taxes. If you buy the vehicle and keep it longer than the allowable tax depreciation period, it becomes an expense because you end up paying taxes on it as it's classified as an asset. My business no longer buys equipment as I don't want to pay taxes on the equipment every year simply for the privilege of "owning" the equipment. In effect, because you're paying taxes on the equipment every year, you're really paying a yearly lease cost to the county assessor equal to the taxable value of the equipment. The decision to buy or lease is not always as easy as Dave Ramsey wants to make it.
OK but this guy who called doesn't own a business. So hee can't write it off. I think the government should really audit people with all these "business" write offs.
Leasing or buying it’s all a big waste of money . Cars are a trap no matter if it’s financed for 3- years , leased or a 72 month payment plan. Financing a new car is okay If you keep the car for at least 10- years .
I feel the same, especially with his income. But I get the feeling the parents probably aren't suffering with it and it's something they want to do, a lot of people work so they can pay for this child's tuition. Well... at least that's what american movies and Breaking Bad tell me
Plus the interest on the car loan he's saving by paying cash, roughly 5% on the sale price. Never been a fan of car leasing and that 14% makes sense since the leasing company likely finances their inventory. Like being a landlord and passing down property tax hikes to your tenet.
This isn’t true for every case. I understand how it’s better to pay cash for a car but sometimes you can get good discounts on the leases. It all depends on the residual you get and how good your credit is.
Brandon Kick Most leases come with GAP insurance so if you wreck them you don’t have to pay anything out of pocket. My point is if you know what you’re doing and don’t make emotional decisions, sometimes the lease option will be better than financing
I've looked at how much, a family electric vehicle that's big enough and goes far enough will cost £27k for a used model. With minimum 6.9% interest rate spread over 6 years works out very expensive. A 3 year lease works out better for us. Have always purchased cars and will likely in future once the used market has more affordable options in the required class
But what if both of your old used vehicles just went out of commission (nearly simultaneously). You have only a few thousand saved and don't make enough for a large monthly payment. Go with another cheap, used vehicle (and associated maintenance, repairs, etc.) or pay the affordable monthly payment and relatively low down payment on a new lease for 3 years until you can afford to buy?
I’ve driven my truck since 2007 and understanding that you can buy a new car with 20% down and finance it for no more than 48mos is still okay. JUST KEEP IT FOR TEN YEARS
I have a 2008 and 2005 P71 Crown Vic. You could buy said crown vic, Buy a new Autozone Engine, Trans, nd Rear end cheaper than most new cars and still be out of debt.
The reality of it is that you can seldom make just financial argument for replacing an older car. Because even if it needs serious repairs, it's unlikely those repair will eclipse the amount of money a new car depreciates on a yearly basis. Now if it becomes so unreliable that it leads you stranded, or has some sort of condition making it unsafe (like frame rot), then you might want to upgrade for your sanity and safety. A lot of people say there's no point in putting more into a car than it's worth, but for an old car the value it provides you in transportation is likely to exceed book value anyway.
Leasing is still the way to go. The best part of driving a new car is the reliability/safety. God knows how much you would have to pay if a beat-up car goes wrong in the middle of a highway during rush hours to the work.
One piece missing. I've leased many cars. When the lease ends, my cars are always worth more than the "buyout" or "residual" amount. Like 10-20% more. The last two cars I bought out the lease at end and sold the car at a 20% profit. So much better than financing.
Typically a business is better off leasing. It does not count as inventory, and you don't need to pay annual state business tax on it. You can write off the cost of the lease as a business expense if you use the car for business.
Although I generally agree with Dave Ramsey, I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to borrow money to buy a reliable vehicle. Both my daughters bought new plain reliable cars when coming out of high school. I cosigned, they made the payments, I paid the insurance. They were both going to college and had jobs on the side, and since we live in winter wonderland in Canada, I wanted to have them safe reliable vehicles. Both girls made every payment and paid of their car and built their credit. My philosophy if you borrow to help you make money then it's ok, but if you borrow to buy toys you are a fool. By the way 45 years ago I was a student, bought a 71 Chev Impala drove it for 4 month and then drove across Canada and then sold it for $300.00 more then I paid for. My car payment was $65 a month
Thanks Dave, I had no idea that leasing a car is like having a car loan that has a 14% interest rate!! Looking at the ads in newspapers and online, I always thought leasing seemed like a good idea -- based on the monthly payments...and then how much was left (i.e. the "purchase price"), at the end of a 3 or 4-year car lease.
It isn’t, his numbers are very incorrect. Lease interest is generally based on a money factor multiplied by 2400 and that is your interest rate. Most are well under 10%
Your average person cannot afford to buy a car outright, even if it's cheap. When it's cheap, then you risk maintenance, if it's expensive you risk going into debt, most people cannot save because they need a car now for work, etc. so This is why leasing works. Just lease cheap and stop being fancy,
I hate when people say leasing is useless, Dave doesn't understand yes leasing a car then buying it at the end of the lease is a bad way off getting a car. but, but if you don't buy the car at the end of the lease which most people do, most people don't buy at the end of there term. if you don't buy at the end of the lease. if u do it that way its a cheap way to get a car for transpiration NOT TO BUY but a way to have the luxury of driving which is fine in my opinion to do it that way. again a lot of people don't look at is that way especially Dave
I bought my own car at 20. I’m now 28 and still have the same Jeep paid off. Sometimes I think I want a new car but no car payment is so nice 😂
ikr lol
Awedome! i have my same 2015 paid off Elantra and was thinking about a new car. but having no payments with a working car makes too much sense.
I bought two car. Paid them off. No car payment feeling is great 🙂
We buy used cars for just 1k-6k and have no debt whatsoever. I will not have any kind of debt no matter what
Have 2013 a Nissan Sentra paid off
That is probably the most calm I have ever seen Dave when someone asked about “should I lease or buy”.
only lease if have a business and can write the lease off on taxes.
if you are a public figure that people ask advice for you GOTTA get used to answering the same question 5,000,000 times
I’m pretty sure the difference is the fact that the caller was new to listening to his show. Had he been a long-time listener, I doubt Dave would have responded so calmly lol.
@@GuitarsAndSynthsI don't think Dave would support a lease in any circumstance, whether it's part of a business or not.
I think part of it is he hasn’t made what Dave considered the mistake. What he usually gets is calls about how can I undo my decision, they already got into a mess. This man is asking what would be best to do with his options.
I'm learning a lot from other people's mistakes
Right on
Do what’s best for you
Me too everyone does
A wise man will learn from others mistake a foolish one will learn from his own
@nilestalbot1020 - that’s the way to do it.
I financed a CRV 72 months when I was earlier in my career. The minute my income increased, I paid the car off two years early and started saving/investing the car payment money. CRVs last forever and have great resale value. I’ll probably have it another 10 years. Super low maintenance costs and extremely reliable.
@Circa65-wk8th wich one are city cars?
Lexus too
@@Ez-lk2hlLexus repairs are expensive but rarely needs any. Also needs premium gas
I bought a car, paid it off in 4 yrs and drove it for 17 yrs total. So for 13 years I used that money to invest AND save up to pay cash for my next vehicle. In my opinion, people have a very expensive obsession with vehicles.
It’s a status symbol. So they think.
@ Ken wow really cool 😎
@Ken Jones Congrats, dude! I just bought my wife a brand new Subaru. Paid cash for it. Meanwhile, I'm still driving my 12 year old Wrangler, and even though I want a new Takoma, instead of making a car payment, we are putting money in the bank every month until we have enough to pay cash for the Takoma. Debt free is the way to live.
I agree 👍
@@douglaswilliams6834 You shouldhave bought a used Subaru. I like your idea of switching from wrangler to Tacoma. Jeep is highly unreliable
Man it’s always good to watch a Dave Ramsey video every once and awhile to keep you on the right path!
When I go back to bad debt habits im so happy to find DR on youtube again
Been watching, listening, and paying attention to all of predictions and forecasts since early Covid. He hasn't disappointed yet 👌
Well said! I am also here to learn how to invest after listening to a lady on tv talk about the importance of investing and how she made 7 figures in 3 months, somehow the video taught me nothing and left me even more confused, I'm a newbie and I'm open to ideas on how to invest for retirement
@@harrisonjamie794 lookup KRISTIN GAIL CUNNINGHAM , this is her name online, she's the real investment prodigy since the crash and has helped me recover my loses
@@DavidAntony-gq7id Despite the economic crisis and the rate of unemployment now is the best time to invest
@@harrisonjamie794 Investment now will be wise but the truth is investing on your own will be high risk. I think it will be best to get a professional👌
@@DavidAntony-gq7id Thank you, Going through her profile on her webpage out of curiosity, and surprisingly she seems proficient. I appreciate this.
Listening to Dave is like listening to an awesome grandad.
Brother, for me...
everyone being recommended this : Please keep in mind.. Dave uses a one size fits all approach to his advice and most the time there are better options for your particular situation. :)
When is debt the better option?
When purchasing something will leave you broke
If buying something will leave you broke, that’s a key indication you can’t afford to buy it.
@@Freedom20241 Debt is a better option when the cost to finance is lower than the gains you could make with your money being placed elsewhere. Dave is great for people with no impulse control, but not everyone.
@@christopherlush7066 or don’t get into debt and just keep investing, you don’t need fancy cars.
Why are others trash talking people who already know they made mistakes and are here to fix them.
It makes them feel superior
You're really grumpy
Try to remember something people, money will always come and go. Try not to obsess over it too much! Everyone is so concerned about percentages, decimal points, and dollar signs, and how much I’ll have when I retire at 65 or 70. Just stop….look around the world, and understand that one day it’s all going to be over anyway. Do you want to live your life obsessing over every quarter, dime, nickel, and penny you have? Or do you want to enjoy your life? Take care of your finances yes, but don’t forget to go live once in a while too. Just don’t put yourself in a predicament where you owe so much! Do that, and all of you will be fine. Have a great day 👍
This!!! Thank you! What’s the point of obsessing over saving if you’re always going to have to obsess over saving even once you retire? There’s no freedom in that.
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I'll tell that to the bank
@@toptrims you don’t need to obsess over it. Just do it. You will be old eventually or you may get sick and the stress that comes with both of those if you didn’t save your entire life is intense
Amen!
"Broke people ask how much down and how much a month"......"Rich people ask how much" I Love Dave Ramsey
And wealthy people don’t ask they just Get
@@ima8533 But we're still picky about what we get.
And.... so what
@@Mike-cz2yw It's a mindset thing. You can give a broke people a ton of money and they will be broke again over time unless they change their mindset and get some discipline.
@@thullraven1facts 🔥
My only regret is why I didn’t find Dave 10 years ago :(
Solid Snake If you make the right moves you'll be fine. Some of the people he gives hope to are in insane situations. Glad to have found him at 20yo.
I found him at 16 and honestly kinda wish I didn’t so early lol. I struggle to spend money now!
I'm 27 and I couldn't agree more
Why? He's not that great. Sheep followers
Alot of people feel like this.
My NYC husband moved to SC, where we met. He was astounded that folks make car payments (interest) on a depreciating assets. Blew his mind, as he has always paid cash for used cars.
The thing that was my epiphany was this... I would not have though twice about financing 40k to 45k. If I pay cash I would only spend between 10k to 15k. That is a big difference.....
Seriously! Isn't that crazy to start to understand how are silly minds work!
I've heard of this saying and it has always stayed with me ever since, "cash is king"
yea, that's fantastic, if you have cash. Just bring a big satchel full of cash to the dealership, easy peasy, right?
@@daggergblue i mean yeah 😂
100%
@@daggergblue Obviously, no one actually walks in a dealership with a satchel/briefcase full of cash to buy a car. You get a banker's check and buy the car that way. Easy...assuming you have the money for the banker's check!
Found this guy early in life. His info plus my being a nurse will hopefully set me up for success.
That total purchase price really hit home. Wish I heard this 3 years ago.
You should never negotiate with a dealership on "payment" - that's how they get you. Always on price (also better if you come in with financing already arranged through your bank or credit union so you get a better interest rate).
The only thing not mentioned that should be taken into consideration is maintenance costs on a used car. Depending on the person, and if they can't work on the car themselves, those amounts can add up. Should have been mentioned.
I agree, say what you want about leasing but the peace of mind for maintenance throughout your lease is appealing to a lot of people.
Maintenance/repair costs, will never add up to car payments. .
@@tompain2751 good point, especially with a new car being leased
@@milladakilla4519 Not to mention if you own a business and could have it as a tax write off leasing is a no brainer
@@tompain2751 That depends on what used car you have. If you have an old lexus that uses 15L/100km premium gas at $2/L plus the cost of expensive maintenance vs. a leased hybrid car that uses 5L/100km and zero maintenance cost, calculate how much that monthly lease cost vs. that older car. Not to mention having unexpected expenses like major oil leaka, AC not working, blown head gasket etc. A blown head gasket for a lexus cost $6000 to fix, A new toyota corolla cost $25000. I mean spending $6000 to fix a depreciating asset where you wont see the benefit of that $6000 in resale value will make the car just totalled where you might as well eat the $2000 cost of not repairing it at all since the car value is only $8000. Another issue is longevity with Used older cars. The best is to buy a one year old car that still has warranty where you dont pay for freight, delivery and extra costs and save on high tax.
Thanks Dave. Watching your videos talked me out of financing a $50k car
When he talks about people that care about monthly cost and don’t ask the total cost, I 100% agree.
Now, in 2017 we financed a car. When we walked into the dealer, I told them I wanted the total cost including taxes, didn’t care about monthly payments. They listened, and it went smoothly. We ultimately got a Costco discount on the vehicle.
Yeah go try that today buddy old pal.
@@JB-ri6zpit takes work to find a fair dealer, but they exist.
Everybody should care about their monthly cost, are you crazy?? Saying "how much" means nothing if you can't afford the monthly cost or if you can't pay cash
@@bigdawg1372 affording the monthly cost was never going to be an issue. $389 a month for 60 months was the term. Dealerships will play around and say stuff like “oh you can size up and pay $380 per month”, but for 72 months. People eat that crap up. That’s what I was referring to.
Otherwise if you only look at the monthly cost you could find yourself in one of those 84 month loans and not realize how more you are spending.
@@JB-ri6zp considering I went car shopping again not that long ago, I did try that, and it worked just fine. Even found a dealer that was accepting our friends and family discount (I work for a company that contracts with all the major auto makers). The “price adjustment” is all bs. You don’t have to pay that, and there are plenty of dealers that aren’t doing that.
I have never owned a car past 20,000 miles. And the only reason I’ve leased cars is because I’ve been working in the automotive industry for the last 8 years so I get heavily discounted company leases and my company pays for car insurance and (most) car maintenance services are fully covered. Everyone’s situation is different but my ideal situation is to go through my company leasing program. I also have the option to buy out my car leases with a 18% employee discount.
What job
Having a 25K savings funnd is impressive and Dave is right, pay off the student loan ASAP.
Leasing is for rich people who want always the latest and greatest and don't want to own for a long time and don't wanna care about maintenance.
Riste Kostadinov yesh sort of true leasing is for people who already waste it on ubers and taxis or already financed a car for years and have a old car
%100 true
Hector Morones wouldn’t say rich tho
I'm pretty sure you are responsible for maintenance on leased vehicle. Perhaps not repairs though.
Exactly. If you were to finance and "buy" the same car, the car's the blue book value would depreciate over 70-80% by the time you were done paying it off. And when that happens you'll probably end up selling it and financing another car...
I'm always looking at new/newer cars, and my main question is always "How much?" I'm too cheap to ever get it though. Still rolling in the 89 firebird with 350k miles I bought 21 years ago.
@Robert Blackford I'm trying to work myself up to getting something new.
Minor collision a few years ago. Some idiot with no insurance hit me. My insurance totaled it. Got $1100 and fixed it myself.
I do have a 'newer' car, 2000 neon that was free, but it has issues. Firebird started dying though recently, so rolling in the neon for now.
@@ordinaryJeff If you want to buy your next car and save, dont buy domestic cars buy japaneae cars like toyota and honda that are more reliable and have cheap and readily available parts. That is if you want to save money while have a reliable transportation, an A to B car. Doesnt make sense to keep 20 year old domeatic cars like dodge neon that have terrible reliability and dodge is famous for that while trying to save money.
@@samjam6989 Yeah, it's probably time to clean up the neon as much as I can this summer and sell it for what I can. Then start looking at a newer used car.
Sounds like a creepy car to roll around in in 2022 but whatever floats one's boat
@@dublewis547 My buddy's primered 81 chevy van with the free candy sticker and headless dolls on the front bumper is far creepier.
I am not a fan of leasing, but if you are way under the mileage limit and it has been a great car so far, buying out the lease may make sense, especially if you can pay cash.
Very true !!!
What a difference a year makes! With the crazy prices for cars, a lease today will protect you from being massively upside down in equity. Lots of videos advising about this currently
What about now? Maybe I should lease that new car I want?
So will buying cash lol
Cash is 100% equity.
Dave is spot on. Do not take financial advice from broke people. Period. 😊
Or dietary advice from fat people or marital advice from divorced people.
@@timswauger8381 Divorced people can tell you what to look for so you don't end up in their situation. Broke people don't understand money (there are exceptions of course).
Don't stay around failed people@@timswauger8381
Leasing makes sense for many people.
Especially the rich.
Some people want the experience of certain cars but don’t wanna get stuck with long-term maintenance and repairs.
I have leased 2 Cadillacs after financing one.
You don’t wanna get stuck paying on an OLD Cadillac.
Wait... so financing that 93 Northstar Cadillac with 180k miles at 15% the other day was a bad idea?
Luxury cars are a great vehicle to lease, they depreciate like a rock and can be pricey to repair.
Always lease
@@JustCalMeBozeman I agree.
Are you rich? Do you need 3 Caddys?
This year we paid off both vehicles super early and it is a joy to not have monthly payments. Next order of business is building that emergency fund so repairs or surprise costs aren't an issue.
Good advice, my friend, and I fully agree. One should not buy anything for which one can't pay cash. It means you probably can't afford it.
So no one would own a house lol
@@jonathan6665 house is a different story, because it’s an investment
Exactly. That is just common sense. There are some things we have to take a loan for a house and education and maybe a car. However one has to be reasonable. If you don't have money you need to compromise on all of these things. You don't go to the most expensive school or dream home or dream car.
Do you own a home?
Unlikely that you paid cash.
Not borrowing under reasonable circumstances and having the ability to pay is to live a life of mediocrity.
One who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing leads a rather humdrum existence
There is nothing wrong with borrowing for large purchases like a house or a car, assuming you can get a decent interest rate and can afford it. The problem is people borrowing more than what they can afford.
The only time you need to lease a car is first you can write it off for business or you are only going to be in a certain area for a certain time I learned this 40 years ago
I would love to hear a breakdown comparing a used Car’s average cost of repairs/maintainace over its life compared with a leased’s cars cost over the life of the car !!!
I believe consumer reports did a study and found that a car averaged $1400-$1700 annually for maintenance and repairs. Can't find it though
Exactly, my car fell into pieces after I paid it off
I can tell you the repairs are way less
This right here^
If you get a reliable car, you pay it off and put money aside for repairs. That's what your emergency fund is for. Having no car payments is a beautiful thing.
Still have my paid off brand new 2012 Camry. She gonna be with me till she falls off. The only upkeep I’ve done with her is change oil. ❤
A wealthy person told me you rent assets that depreciate and you buy assets that appreciate. A new car will depreciate as soon as you drive it off of the lot. Leasing works for me and I'm not rich.
Buy a used car?
@tRiCKy By that math you buy a car for 20K, it depreciates 160 / month and you drive it for 5 years. That vehicle is now sold for 11,400. If you lease a car worth a similar amount lets say payments are $60 weekly. Which is a really good lease rate.. Over that 5 years you pay $14,400. Plus you have to add interest or apraisal rates. So in this example (which I admit the math may not be perfect, but accurate enough) leasing is more expensive over time despite the depreciating vehicle. In 5 years the buyer paid under 9k but leaser paid about 15k
Right on point Jim! Especially if you are fortunate enough
and ain't gonna be leasing.
do you rent your couch? TV? shoes? washer? A car isn't an asset, its a liability... you're lost bud.
"I'm going to be normal....which sucks" I Love Dave Ramsey
Long story short; do without whatever it is you desire in life until you can buy it cash. If your job doesn’t pay you enough money to save up fast enough to buy something cash then you should never think about owning it.
Amen to that
How do you suggest one get's to and from said job? Magic teleportation? Spend whatever countless dollars on taxis, or ubers? Or did your mommy buy you a car to start off with?
Bullshit. Then you are always stuck with an old car that needs a lot of maintenance.
I think that was very good advice.
Your comment about people with money asking"how much" is very true.
Borrowing to buy a depreciating asset should be avoided when ever possible.
for business owners /small big write off maybe good idea ...let say for example : If your lease is $400 a month and you use it 50 percent for business, you may deduct $2,400 ($200 x 12 months).
I lease. In MIchigan I pay 6% sales tax on the monthly payment and not the full value of the car. Instant savings. Always have a car under warranty , not stuck with lemons , and hope those dangerous touchscreens go away.
I just paid 1k for a 98 Saturn with 140k miles.
I could have bought 10 cars if I had 25k saved no need for a lease or a payment.
Just pay cash it’s not hard to buy a car save up for 10 months and then sell your old car and upgrade with what you have saved plus the sale of the old vehicle and just keep doing that until you get up to whatever price car you want.
tell me about it.. I'm driving a 3k 2008 crown vic... drives just fine!
Exactly. I paid 2500 for a 95 Silverado single cab with 143k on it. This truck will go to 243k like it’s nothing. Why pay $20000-25,000 per 100k miles for a new pickup when you can pay 2500
That’s cool and all saving money but if that’s all you can afford you have a bigger problem in life
You can lease some $40,000+ vehicles now for less than $100 a month ( with no down payment). Certainly worth considering. Deals vary by state.
I paid my first car off. I was so happy…. Let someone drive it and the car got totaled. I was crushed. Financed another vehicle and now the engine went on that. For me, leasing seems like the best Option considering I’m only going to and from work. The car prices today are outrageous and I’m so overwhelmed every time I’m at the dealership.
having a car payment for the rest of your life seems a bit daunting no?
@antiquarian1773 for them, it's the peace of not having to worry about car issues.
@@Meatandveggieeater Its funny how some argue what is best for YOU. Leasing has its benefits. Plus many for get the AVERAGE monthly cost of owning/operating a car. It’s a few hundred dollars per month if you keep up on the maintenance. A few times per year it can be a few grand in maintenance.
Actually, leasing can be better for people with less money to pay a few guste nd monthly vs hoping to have a few thousand saved for repairs! 😅
what are the options for people who need a car but dont have enough saved up to buy one outright? It seems like leasing is the only option :(
@@NH-hp2nn Leasing is going well for me and all my trips to the mechanic are covered!
Use it up Wear it out Make it do or do without! Married 54 years. Made mistakes at first but followed this principle as my guide for many years. I am proud to just be “normal”. No house or car payment for the last 28 years. Awesome life and I am a happy wife.
He's making $125K and still expects his parents to pay his student loan debt?!! 🤔
Caller is of the Entitlement generation.
Disgusting
My thoughts exactly. This guy needs to do something about his loans and not have mommy and daddy bare the responsibility of paying them off
Every generation has entitled idiots.
He is entitled, but he also said 125K between him and his wife.. Still entitled though.. haha.
I may have one of the few success stories related to this topic. My husband prior to our marriage leased his current vehicle. No down payment. $250/mo for 24 months. At the end of the 24 months we had the option to purchase it for $18k, making it a total investment of $24k, and the vehicle is worth $36k. Buying it was the smart thing to do. It's basically new, super low mileage. I understand the magic is in the initial negotiation, like avoiding a down payment and junk fees. Also, leasing makes no sense for people that do a lot of driving as they will exceed the allowable mileage which will cost $ at the end.
Keep in mind he’s saying ‘and buying out at end of lease.” That’s the problem - never do that - little option to negotiate. Lease and then lease again is best method if you don’t want to own a car. Prior comments are on point, leasing is not for everyone.
exacty, you NEVER buyout a lease. Doing so takes away every advantage of leasing in the first place. I've had cars I absolutely loved and walked from because I knew if I wanted to keep it, I should have just bought it from day one. Never buy a lease at the end. I guess the only exception would be you damaged it soo much and drove it so far the return fees are more than buying it in which case you are not the type of person leases are meant for.
What if I wanna get like a 2021 car and keep it for like maybe 12 years and maybe get something or is it better to lease it
@@xrootzx4472 wait until next year and buy a previously leased car. Save 35%. Get the car you want. Ride it till it dies. Never buy new.
@@Macktheknife247 💙💯 thanks
So you suggest renting a car forever 🤦♂️
It’s nice to own if you need money quickly then you can sell the car if you own it great advice Dave 👏🏽🤜🏽👍🏽
How do you justify wasted time on used car when it breaks? And you know, most of modern vehicles tend to break starting at 4 -5 years old.
Now, with lease , assuming you pull the deal where the lease cost is 1% of vehicle cost [of cause the dealer invoice cost - all rebates) (not very hard thing to do by the way), you drive latest and safest vehicle, you enjoy life and car, watching when your neighbor spends time looking for good body shop which he never finds, then gets angry knowing that his vehicle wasn't fixed up to spec and preparing for next expensive issue with his old car.
To each his own
With lease you buy a comfort. Who can put price tag on comfort?
I agree, leasing is pretty care free and actually pretty affordable if you negotiate a good deal and know how much you should be paying. Leasing is also better if you're getting more of an uncommon car like bmw or mercedes, because maintaining a car like that is insanely expensive down the road if you finance it
Sorry, but if a car breaks after 5 years you are looking at the wrong brand.
@@camilo862 Name the brand/model which is exception.
@@sunshadow9704 Toyota.
Toyota
I agree, leasing is better thn buying
I've bought and leased vehicles. I find that once a vehicle is paid off, they seem to fall apart. It starts to become a game of whack a mole, once you fix one problem, another one pops up. It's really two sides of the same coin.
not to mention leasing allows you to drive a new car every 2 to 3yrs, most ppl get bored driving the same thing past 5yrs unless its a high end sports or luxury car.
“I’ve been both brotha!” Love Dave
“I’ve been both, brotha. “ HA HA
So you've been both. brotha and “ HA HA: Nice!
Renting money, buying insurance and contributions to SSI are three of the worst investments that I have made.
Okay. ! traded in my 2013 F-150 for a new 2017 F-150. The difference between my trade and the 2 year lease was $8000, so dealer gave me a cheque. I drove the truck for 2 years, and liked it, so I bought out the lease. The buy out price was about $3000 LESS than the market value of the truck, BTW, the $42,000 that I didn't spend on the truck for the two year lease earned me another 8%. I was against leasing too, but after this deal, I am a fan, as long as you have the cash to purchase the vehicle outright.
Been leasing for years, big question here is how many miles do you drive per year? My leases are with 15k per year, if you go over its realistically not for you. I don't know many that buy the car after the lease as stated its a no no. I enjoy driving a new car every few years with no worries. My latest lease was an end of year model with maintaince included no money down. Many get rid of a car after 4-5 years and on top of the normal depreciation ( 50%) a trade in at the dealer is usually a 2-3k loss. Today's cars are nightmares to repair after warranty is over, CVT transmissions, DGI engines, all become a nightmare years down the line. Also be aware the used car dealers know the defects of cars I mentioned thus reducing what they will actually pay for your used car. Good luck out there if you are buying used do some research, there is plenty out there on line...
I agree with you. Leasing is not for everyone. But it can work . Telling this guy to tie up most of savings in used car makes no sense. He will soon find out he had no worries about repairs .now he will
Your better off investing it.
Almost all lease vs. buy/finance all favor buying used reliable vehicles. But the big factor that gets overlooked is maintenance of the vehicle. Most finance guys do not factor this into the cost of owning a used vehicle. After the vehicle hits its third year, the car is going to need maintenance/ service/ repairs let’s see... tire replaced, battery, replaced, brake pads, trans fluid, these are just routine maintenance and costs at least five hundred per, now your car goes to five years, things like, timing belt, tune ups. 02 sensors, are going to be major costs upwards of thousand bucks give or take. I’ve lease a new vehicle every 36, s as no I love getting to drive a new vehicle with absolutely no worries, just oil changes. But I also bought a pre owned vehicle , due to mileage put on the vehicle. Meaning I drive around 25k a year and my wife who doesn’t drive much uses the lease car. But don’t forget the cost of ownership gets fairly substantial after the car goes over 50 k miles, I wish these financial gurus would incorporate that into their buy vs lease debate
@@davidmmad1714 Bingo, this "financial guy" didn't take a lot of factors into account.
Most people drive more than 15k miles a year. At $200/month for the lease, I’d lease being that he already has a lease. It’s help to know how much this caller drives per year...
Dave Ramsey is just as old-school as it gets with little of the nuance you presented. After hearing all of these arguments, I still think leasing is the better option if I plan to purchase a car to keep for a long time very soon but not ready to put a lot of money down yet.
What about the cost of ownership that goes up after you keep the car longer periods of time
Bought a new Jeep Liberty in 2007. Still have it, runs and looks like a new one and has 88,000 miles on it. I paid 18k for it and wrote a check when I bought it so, no payments, I have owned it since new. Probably worth a few thousand dollars but who cares, am never going to sell it. Owning is always better than renting.
Leasing is fine if you are the type of person who can actually afford it.
If your making $100,000+ /year then you can absolutely afford a $200 lease all-in.
That’s just $4800/year. Which is 4.8% of your annual pay.... with a lease you don’t need to worry about maintenance or paying for repairs if the vehicle breaks down, it’s all taken care of for free by the dealership. This piece of mind is also VERY nice to have, because when you OWN a vehicle you are responsible for everything , and mechanic expenses can add up quick especially if you are buying a used vehicle.
If you instead bought a used vehicle for $15,000 and it breaks down or needs repairs you are held accountable for it which adds to the overall expense of the vehicle.
With a lease the day you leave the dealership you know exactly how much your going to be spending over the next 2 or 3 years....
Not saying 1 way is better than the other but I feel like certain options work better for some over others. - I leased my vehicle and bought it out at the end of the lease, but I squeezed everything I could have out of the dealer for 2 straight days before signing the dotted line. I ended up paying about $3,500 over sticker in the end...
So yes, the lease cost me more money, but not by THAT much and if you include the free maintenances I got over the 3 year term it would be more like $2,500 that I overpaid by. But at the time of leasing the vehicle I was unsure of weather I wanted to actually have a vehicle for long term or if it was just for that period of time when I needed it. It allowed me the freedom of knowing I wasn’t stuck with a vehicle and could give it in at the end if I wanted too. I ended up falling in love with the vehicle and I got a lot of use out of it, so decided to keep it....and wrote them a check for the remainder of the amount on the vehicle, no more payments / no borrowing money.
I think a lot of people just lease vehicles that are too expensive for them to ever own which burdens them , along with people getting ripped off by dealerships because they are too afraid to negotiate.
When I’m at a dealership I don’t stop, I keep going and prodding for a better deal talking them down lower and lower and lower until they get tired of me lol...
Just my .02 - again not saying 1 things better than the other, but different circumstances dictate for a person to person basis - and to dismiss leasing entirely is wrong IMO
I totally agree. The money you're paying over the price is basically for the ability to have no stress with the vehicle during the use and having to go through any hassle of selling it after. As you said, the pivotal thing is, if you can afford it. These are the reasons you make make, conveniences like this to enjoy and have less stress in your life.
But if you're trying to make money and build and get out of a hole then it sounds like by using your real life example that buying an affordable car could be a better way to go in the long run. The savings may even be much higher than what you reported. Every little helps I guess.
Also was it 200 bucks a month? Which would be 2400, an even lower % of your annual income.
RAMBALZ yes, I agree with ya.
Also, the price of the lease and salary are not mine personally. Those figures were made up just to show that a lease could work IF it was somebody making $100k/year ... and that opt for a $200/month lease.
My numbers are both different - salary and lease payment. The point I was making with my experience with my lease is that I only overpaid roughly $4,000 for the vehicle at the end of the lease and decided to buy it out.....but had peace of mind knowing I didn’t have to pay for any maintenance throughout the years, and I wasn’t stuck with the vehicle if I didn’t want to keep it I wouldn’t have had to sell it. You are buying convenience with your money just like with everything else is life.
Also unless I misread you’re post, it is $2,400/year if the lease is $200/month as 200x12 = 2,400.
Thanks for the reply! Have a great night.
It’s not a great thing to spend money on, having a new car every couple years, but if you’re going to then the lease option is a good way to go. I agree that’s there are definitely circumstances where leasing is a good way to go.
However on the flip side, for 98% of Dave’s listeners leasing is a terrible idea.
Seth Moore I can rock with what ur saying 👍🏼
actually it's $2400/yr
Here is a lil fun fact. The picture to the left of this text with that 2003 f150. I boughtthis truck 10 years ago for 5800 dollars. Bought it cash it had 83,000 miles. I am still driving this as my daily driver 204,000 miles later. On average I have a annual maintenance cost of 550-600 a year . I do most all the maintenance work myself. Even if you took the truck to the shop for the work that annual maintenance cost would maybe be 800-1000. Which for the whole year is not bad at all.
Appreciate that - but it only addresses the cost of money (and related) it doesn't address the cost to keep the car - specifically repair bills, that you DON'T GET with a lease - right?? (Or any new car presumably.)
There is nothing wrong with a lease on a car depending on the car. It all depends on what you want. I worked in a city with very long stop and go commutes. Leasing was a good way to put all that wear and tear on someone else's car. A car that is nicer than you could otherwise afford. Stop and go traffic is brutal on a car. Some people need a nice car. Successful people do not do business with people who don't appear successful.
The privilege of being 30, making $125k/yearly, & still having your parents pay for your student loan(s) while you have $25k in the bank
Yes!!!!! I look at how much total not what it cost today. I learned to not be cheap but shrewd learn the difference.
Leasing is an option for people who like newer cars ever 3-4 years
A super simple way to know that “how much” is better than “how much down and how much per month” is this: add up the latter, subtract the former, and there’s the money you are wasting.
Ever since I was 16 I've been surrounded by people who ask how much per week, what's my monthly payment, how much do I have to have down.
I have always been the guy that added it all up and said wait a minute this is the best way to do it.
I'm 38 and I'm still just doing okay, despite all my careful choices.
Rich people have something else altogether.
Teach Dave! This is good quality teaching.
This is the 4th video I have watched with a call in and everyone makes at least 125k/year ? I don’t know anyone who makes anywhere close to that. I’m gonna keep watching and look for others who are in a more “realistic” situation like myself. Sorry if this offends anyone
It was between him and his wife though, so they might make an average of ~$60k each
They are lying.
For a household it’s not that wild, just takes two people making 60k per year which is pretty doable a couple years out of college
Seth Moore you’re right , I didn’t hear him say between him and his wife until I watched it back again. Thanks for pointing that out
Yeah. It took him a bit to think about it. If he makes that much he wouldn't be worrying about 200/month. I know people that make 125k/year that have BMWs and manage fine with buying and leasing.
It’s always more expensive to rent something (ie lease) than to buy the same thing. Leasing serves two important purposes, to release you from a vehicle at end-of-term that you‘be decided you won’t want to keep and to reduce the monthly cost for that decision. I lease every vehicle for small monthly payments and my cars are always in-warranty. But if you know you want to own something indefinitely, then certainly buy it and pay it off asap.
My cousin leased a brand new 1995 Toyota Camry for three years. By the time she was done paying for the car, they wanted to charge her an additional $3000 in penalty fees, or a balloon payment of $18,000 on top of the money she already put into the lease payments. After witnessing what she went through all those years ago, I can only imagine it’s gotten worse.
If it was truly that bad then no one would lease. Many people who lease actually understand the risks involved and the differences between leasing and owning.
I’ve leased multiple cars and never once paid penalties.
If a person abuses their vehicle, doesn’t maintain it, or drives more miles than the lease provides then yes, expect penalties. That’s not leasing’s fault. It’s the fault of the individual who doesn’t understand the terms of the lease.
Also, buying a vehicle at the end of a lease is usually a poor financial move. That person should have purchased from the beginning.
@@mart0225 she didn’t purchase it at the end of the lease. They charged her for anything they could think of. She is the type person who keeps a vehicle immaculate, and garage kept. Afterwards she purchased a brand new plain Jain Ford Ranger single cab pick up w/ a manual transmission, kept it for 20 years and only put 30k miles on it.
@@jessieharbinjr.6589 she did what was supposed to be done to the leased car to her owned car
That's not typical. Sounds like she GREATLY exceeded the allowed mileage for her lease, or did substantial damage to the car.
@@JustMe99999 the car was immaculate when she turned it back in. She said if she would have known they were gonna railroad her on everything they could think of, she would have racked up the miles! She had to park it so many times at the end of each year to keep the mileage low. Then they nickeled snd dimed her for every rock chip, dimple, or blemish on the car. She ended up buying a Toyota Camry from another dealership, and never leased another car afterwards.
I had leased a brand new Honda Civic Si a few years ago, really nice car but I realized how stupid that was, so I sold it luckily I was only upside down $100. Bought myself an 02 Tacoma and put 50,000 on it so far, it hasn’t skipped a beat and its a waaaay nice car than the civic because it’s not taking my money every month. All my friends made fun of me for going down in car, but now few of them are asking me if they should do the same lol
I bought a used 2009 Honda Accord for 15K back in 2012 and sold it for 5K in 2019. 4K in repairs and maintenance so it cost me around $165 for 86 months. My experience during this ownership, selling wasn't easy, since it was an older car, repairs were a pain and I ended up driving a dated car for a good period of time. (lacking new safety features, Android/Apple car play and etc.) In summary, I think it's a great deal if you can lease a nice car around $200 with no down payment and etc. Of course, how many miles you're driving plays a big role, you can't lease if you drive a lot. I agree with Dave on paying cash if you're buying since what's the point of paying interest to the bank but sometimes leasing makes more sense. Overall though you buy or lease, look for a great deal, you end up loosing a lot less, if you buy or lease cheaper than average.
There are many personal reasons why someone might want to lease, but as Dave noted, for most people it's going to be the most expensive way to drive a car.
It’s tricky. If you lease a vehicle with insane market value like a 4 runner, you can lease it and sell it at the end of the lease and actually make money or have very little negative equity. That woulda been golden before pandemic shortage bc of the inflated prices as well. This allows you to remain flexible and go over mileage. Depends on strategy and vehicle market value.
Dave, I've leased and purchased cars. In my experience if you don't drive more than 10k a year and you take care of cars you're better off leasing. Down payment is less, I get to drive a new car every three years and the best thing is if I get into an accident, I get it fixed and return it after the lease is up. If I had purchased it, everyone you try to sell it to wants to give you less as they wave the car fax in front of your face. Thanks
Agree. Leasing is not for everyone , more often than not everyone tries to low ball you. And the way leases are nowadays the money factor is really less , sometimes almost nothing. Again to each his own.
These days, I prefer leasing because the quality and durability of new cars just don't measure up to the past. I still keep my old, fully paid SUV for occasional use, but I lease a small car for my daily commute.
I am an off lease inspector and inspect cars at the end of lease for large finance companies. From what 90% of the customers tell me, it's not about being flashy or not wanting a a used car so they can be debt free, it's the repairs !! People do NOT want to deal with repairs !! So they lease every 3 years cause the vehicle is under warranty aside from the regular maintenance. What's the usual repair cost for a used, 5 year or older, paid in full, car? Depending on male and model, About $2k - $2.5k a year? In this guy's case, $200 a month for a lease (must be a cheap compact) is roughly the same amount for a new car with a warranty vs a used car with yearly repair costs. Please understand, if you get a used high line German or British car, you will be way over $2500 a year. Those are high maintenance vehicles. Honda, Toyota products, even Acura/Lexus are very reliable and not so much in repair costs.
Thank you for sharing your experience! Leasing is so demonized when it makes a lot more sense for a lot of people’s circumstances.
Leasing is still more expensive overall. You are paying for that convenience or luxury of not dealing with repairs. Most new cars do not need major repairs until about year 8 to 10. So if you want to lease just know you are paying more overall and you don't own anything if you don't buy car at end. You are just living an expensive hassle free life renting a car. Getting rich without rich parents requires doiing without on some things. Leasing is not the " rice and beans" of car ownership, it is caviar and champagne.
I like how he say about the lease as in horrible way because either way the lease payment is always structured the dealer advantage because they have to make money. But putting a large amount of security blanket money is just way too scary for common people.
He needs to write a 15k check towards his SL and be in position to borrow real money if he wants to go down that path. 15k car dude!!!
I think it depends on your situation.. sometimes it makes sense to lease.
If it depreciates I will lease.. if it appreciates I will buy.
Leasing makes more sense than buying a vehicle for a business in certain states. The lease is a cost of business and can be deducted from taxes. If you buy the vehicle and keep it longer than the allowable tax depreciation period, it becomes an expense because you end up paying taxes on it as it's classified as an asset. My business no longer buys equipment as I don't want to pay taxes on the equipment every year simply for the privilege of "owning" the equipment. In effect, because you're paying taxes on the equipment every year, you're really paying a yearly lease cost to the county assessor equal to the taxable value of the equipment. The decision to buy or lease is not always as easy as Dave Ramsey wants to make it.
Finally someone who knows a balance sheet.
OK but this guy who called doesn't own a business. So hee can't write it off. I think the government should really audit people with all these "business" write offs.
It’s not true. On all lease agreements it shows rent charge. That’s the interest. On a lease you are paying the estimated depreciation
Leasing or buying it’s all a big waste of money . Cars are a trap no matter if it’s financed for 3- years , leased or a 72 month payment plan.
Financing a new car is okay If you keep the car for at least 10- years .
Buy a reliable car once and drive it as little as possible. Ride a bicycle or a moped when the weather is nice. You'll keep the car forever.
Florida is different, if you ride your bike over here you’ll get to your destination the next day
It really depends. Leasing makes sense if you don't want to worry about maintenance etc.
@@23chnge it's covered by the dealer
so he has saved 25K and is worrying about buying a NEW car, but yet lets his parents suffer with paying HIS student loans, what GREAT son he is....
I feel the same, especially with his income. But I get the feeling the parents probably aren't suffering with it and it's something they want to do, a lot of people work so they can pay for this child's tuition. Well... at least that's what american movies and Breaking Bad tell me
How do you know his parents ain't. Millionaires lol
Plus the interest on the car loan he's saving by paying cash, roughly 5% on the sale price. Never been a fan of car leasing and that 14% makes sense since the leasing company likely finances their inventory. Like being a landlord and passing down property tax hikes to your tenet.
This isn’t true for every case. I understand how it’s better to pay cash for a car but sometimes you can get good discounts on the leases. It all depends on the residual you get and how good your credit is.
Brandon Kick Most leases come with GAP insurance so if you wreck them you don’t have to pay anything out of pocket. My point is if you know what you’re doing and don’t make emotional decisions, sometimes the lease option will be better than financing
Leasing takes a smart negotiator to get the best deal. These people probably go to those "no haggle" places and think they got a good deal.
I've looked at how much, a family electric vehicle that's big enough and goes far enough will cost £27k for a used model. With minimum 6.9% interest rate spread over 6 years works out very expensive. A 3 year lease works out better for us. Have always purchased cars and will likely in future once the used market has more affordable options in the required class
Tuning in to watch this dude get dabbed on lol
But what if both of your old used vehicles just went out of commission (nearly simultaneously). You have only a few thousand saved and don't make enough for a large monthly payment. Go with another cheap, used vehicle (and associated maintenance, repairs, etc.) or pay the affordable monthly payment and relatively low down payment on a new lease for 3 years until you can afford to buy?
This dude is SOLID man, this is real game right here💯💯
I’ve driven my truck since 2007 and understanding that you can buy a new car with 20% down and finance it for no more than 48mos is still okay.
JUST KEEP IT FOR TEN YEARS
I don't see how someone asking these questions wouldn't be lying about their 125K yearly income.
He said combined income between him and his wife
I have a 2008 and 2005 P71 Crown Vic. You could buy said crown vic, Buy a new Autozone Engine, Trans, nd Rear end cheaper than most new cars and still be out of debt.
The reality of it is that you can seldom make just financial argument for replacing an older car. Because even if it needs serious repairs, it's unlikely those repair will eclipse the amount of money a new car depreciates on a yearly basis. Now if it becomes so unreliable that it leads you stranded, or has some sort of condition making it unsafe (like frame rot), then you might want to upgrade for your sanity and safety. A lot of people say there's no point in putting more into a car than it's worth, but for an old car the value it provides you in transportation is likely to exceed book value anyway.
Leasing is still the way to go. The best part of driving a new car is the reliability/safety. God knows how much you would have to pay if a beat-up car goes wrong in the middle of a highway during rush hours to the work.
One piece missing. I've leased many cars. When the lease ends, my cars are always worth more than the "buyout" or "residual" amount. Like 10-20% more. The last two cars I bought out the lease at end and sold the car at a 20% profit. So much better than financing.
How about if I lease a truck for business? Is it better write off for taxes?
Typically a business is better off leasing. It does not count as inventory, and you don't need to pay annual state business tax on it. You can write off the cost of the lease as a business expense if you use the car for business.
Although I generally agree with Dave Ramsey, I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea to borrow money to buy a reliable vehicle. Both my daughters bought new plain reliable cars when coming out of high school. I cosigned, they made the payments, I paid the insurance. They were both going to college and had jobs on the side, and since we live in winter wonderland in Canada, I wanted to have them safe reliable vehicles. Both girls made every payment and paid of their car and built their credit. My philosophy if you borrow to help you make money then it's ok, but if you borrow to buy toys you are a fool. By the way 45 years ago I was a student, bought a 71 Chev Impala drove it for 4 month and then drove across Canada and then sold it for $300.00 more then I paid for. My car payment was $65 a month
Thanks Dave, I had no idea that leasing a car is like having a car loan that has a 14% interest rate!! Looking at the ads in newspapers and online, I always thought leasing seemed like a good idea -- based on the monthly payments...and then how much was left (i.e. the "purchase price"), at the end of a 3 or 4-year car lease.
Thats if you want to buy out
Right!
It isn’t, his numbers are very incorrect. Lease interest is generally based on a money factor multiplied by 2400 and that is your interest rate. Most are well under 10%
Your average person cannot afford to buy a car outright, even if it's cheap. When it's cheap, then you risk maintenance, if it's expensive you risk going into debt, most people cannot save because they need a car now for work, etc. so This is why leasing works. Just lease cheap and stop being fancy,
Leasing isn't bad it just means you don't have the cash to buy it yet
I hate when people say leasing is useless, Dave doesn't understand yes leasing a car then buying it at the end of the lease is a bad way off getting a car. but, but if you don't buy the car at the end of the lease which most people do, most people don't buy at the end of there term. if you don't buy at the end of the lease. if u do it that way its a cheap way to get a car for transpiration NOT TO BUY but a way to have the luxury of driving which is fine in my opinion to do it that way. again a lot of people don't look at is that way especially Dave