The Hangprinter
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 มี.ค. 2017
- This frameless RepRap 3D printer hangs from the ceiling.
Blog vitana.se/opr3d/tbear/
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In don't know if there is a 3d printer innovation of the year award, but if there is then this guys wins.
This is one of those special niches where lightweight electronics and components perform better than heavier machines. Genius level stuff, I am so glad you found a way to make this work.
I like it when people think outside the box.. This guy totally removed the box!
brilliant, a true inspiration to the meaning of a Reprap and what being part of the Reprap community is . people like Torian is what gives me hope for a brighter future for us all. I can see the future now ! these kinds of printers replacing sky cranes and building homes.
Can't wait to see you build one Tom! Live stream hopefully
Need food, drinks machine and a porta potty for that live stream. :-)
this scales so nicely. put it in a garage, a room, a closet, or a box. print as big or small as you need when you need. turn this into a black box that you just attach to anchor points and print anywhere, any size. awesome!
"It will probably work".
I must remember this next time my boss ask me something. That guy is a genius.
Mind. Blown.
As already said, if there are awards for this type of thing I hope he gets noticed!
I'm very much fascinated by this printer setup. I've learned about it some time ago and home to watch it printing live one day. Thank you very much for that awesome interview!!
I'm speechless. this is the best idea I've seen in quite a while. will definitely build one.
Finally a good use for everyone's guest rooms.
SERIOUSLY IMPRESSIVE !!!
You and your team are going to go places...
I really think calculating the movements isn't that hard for that ... thing. the most impressive thing for me is: having this idea and realizing it. i still don't think it's easy to sell it commercially because the speed seems to be extremely limited.
this guy has big potential, i really hope seeing more things like that. just impressive.
I think for our style of FDM printing this mechanism is surely not the best. But its an impressive proof of concept. Not every additive manufacturing process needs to be super fast. I could see this thing in the construction industry. Cause the main problem with current printers that can create buildings is that they need to be huge. With this style of printer the only strucure you would need is a crane. And these things are allready on every construction site. Just my 2 cents :)
Matthias Langwieser Speed is a huge issue in construction. Time is money. There's no way that slow technology would be adopted. Deadlines are very tight in the construction industry.
Internet Tough Guy yes but a printer can work 24/7 and never complain. It can probably replace a team of 10 guys by itself. So even if it's slower I can see it become a very cheap tool to build.
Moments You're making a blankey statement without thinking about the details.
+Moments The details I'm referring are related to logistics and technical feasibility in installing multiple "printers" in a construction site. Let's say you wanted to "print" the walls of a house with concrete using a crane and a giant hang printer as per Christian's idea. You would need dozens of them to match the speed in comparison to using conventional techniques. It would be physically impossible to install that many on a small construction site not to mention the extravagant cost of have all those cranes sitting there doing nothing.
This is just one of many issues you cannot overcome.
BRILLIANT, MIND BLOWN! Thanks for sharing!!
Wow, that is really neat Tom, thanks for sharing!
Very cool! Thanks for sharing this interview.
mind-blowing , love the idea.. appreciate the makers
wow, just wow, can't actually believe it, it's so cool! Thank you for interviewing him and presenting his stunning work!
Great design. As for the potential of cable setups - stability, speed - you should look for "cable-robot simulator"
I love innovation like this in technology :) Well done!
Amazing project!!! congratulations!!
This is AWESOME! I see so much potential for architectural adaption!
This is very exciting. as usual, Thomas on the cutting edge. Thanks for the great channel.
Wow. Never seen anything like that before. Thanks for posting.
So this printer is awesome I've seen it a few other places. But as soon as you said at the end you might build one too, I've got to say DO IT!!!!!
With three huge linear bearings, one could increase line tension on the things, maybe something like wall mount. Use lightweight slides on the bearings, and bolt em to a room's walls. Then a quick release for utilizing the room for other purposes.
We'll call her the Hanginator!
great video guys, looking forward more from each on this! :D
This is the best idea in 3d printing I have seen in a long time. I am going to make one for sure :D
Talk about thinking outside the box!
I saw this machine a couple week ago and I thing it is amazing design. Thank for bring some more info about
Wow, that's really amazing. I agree, scale this up to print industrial size objects using steel for the cables. Onsite formless concrete part building.
love the interview format!
It's not often that I get the chance to talk to someone other than "the sales guy". But when I do, it usually turns out pretty nicely!
Obviously it is in early development stage but it has so much potential to become something that you pull out of your bag and you start printing anywhere... well at least anywhere with a sealing
sealing?
seals are pretty cute though
i like dolphins more.... sorry for the typo (ipad)
Hary Pisimisis ... anywhere your 100% sure a cat doesn't walk into the room.
This is super cool! I was thinking about building a large core XY machine, but this looks like a great way to get big builds without dedicating the whole build volume full-time for a machine. Need a garden statue or birdbath? Set this up in the garage, make a print, and pack it away when done.
The idea to do something like this was spinning in my head too. I was inspired by the spidercams they have at events and stadiums to freely move the camera all over the place. Really nice to see someone actually already took the idea to a working printer prototype.
Something that i'm kind of missing is the downpressure of the nozzle on the existing print to make the layer adhesion better. The logical step would be to make the carriage as light as possible for fast acceleration, but at the same time you probably loose layer adhesion pressure with that. I guess you could try to overconstrain the system with more string drives and anchor points, so you could actually stiffen up the position of the carriage in space?
Still very impressive, and kudos to Torbjørn for getting this far all by himself.
That's right. Lifting the print bed further above the anchor points gives you more down pressure if you want it. You'll risk having too much of it near the top of really tall prints.
Obviously.
obviously first. =)
Thomas Sanladerer build one! What a great idea for a cheap simple printer
I imagine there must be a reason why the points for the walls are not placed half way up the wall by default? I am thinking it would give a bigger print area that way without having to move things around but there must be a reason he's set it up so that the points are always at the bottom of the print area
If you want some help or contribution, I'd like to indulge in this.
P.S My qualities are only Computer Science Engineering and troubleshooting(all types).
"But you were unsuccessful?"
this could go from building a small box to a full on sofa. very modest guy and gave credit to his friend. I wonder whether the concept of having the whole printer as the moving mass could turn and box room say a garage into giant corexy huge printer
also a completely out of the sky idea suspend a printer such as this from a drone!! no cooling fans required
That's pretty cool! 🤓👍🏼
Thats amazing why has no one ever thought of this low cost high area printer!
its really great
Briliant idea!
Wow! Absolutely amazing! :) That kinda solves the scalability most machines have. I have so many projects i'd need larger one, but some how it seems i never quite can find the time to build a large machines (or barely even maintain the crap machine i'm using now).. I guess you can find time for all the interesting bits, but maintaining your tools ...
Awesome work 😲
impressive design
This is amazing. I would love to do this for my capstone project in a few months for my engineering class so i will look into this a little more
I am inspired... when I have the time I would love to look at this further and how to make it into an easy use, easy setup system.
The obvious next step is to complete with SeeMeCNC's Part Daddy by adding in a 3mm nozzle and pellet-based extruder setup, and scaling it up to a hanger sized printer.
Keep in mind the setup is weight-restricted - a pellet-based extruder is probably not going to happen without mayor upgrades everywhere else, too
That's really clever!
I love engineering imagination , well done exposing this . If he is the first the machine should be named after him .
I love it!
A puppeteer overhead and three professional stunt kite flyers holding the side cables would be cool.
Dow Great Stuff expanding foam sealant coming out of the print head.
I've been up to long.
This is an amazing idea! The current design is very rough, but with a little more work this could be a great way to print large objects for cheap with a tiny little machine.
Just awesome!
Now that is a seriously innovative design.
Tom, I would love to see you build one on a live stream. Or maybe just do a tear-down.
Keep them coming
Tom I want to see more on this! I saw this guy a few months back! Missing a few key ideas but could be the future..
Great idea!
Hmmmm, I wonder if this could be guided by a tiny, room sized, version of a GPS.
That way, it can readily compensate for any bumps and lumps in the fishing lines that anchor it at its corners.
The possibilities with the kind of system demonstrated here are endless :) .
I like that when he was asked about his favoured filament he said he doesn't have a recommendation, but he's sponsored. I'm sure his sponsor didn't smile as much as I did at that missed opportunity :)
reprappro.me sponsored the roll of filament in the video ;)
Total sponsoring so far is at about $4000, half of it from E3D in the form of hot ends.
See
github.com/tobbelobb/hangprinter#credits
and
salt.bountysource.com/teams/hangprinter
Is the correct answer :) Thanks!
damn, that's cool.
Moving the motors on the anchors ? wire less maybe ?
Add a spinning gyro ? So many cool ideas here.
I want one, bra jobbat!
now that's something new
Mind blown 💣
Amazing!
Impressed!
loved it
Love it.
Amazing job! I'm part of the people working on a "half-finished build" for a year, and his design and anchors position is very smart/interesting, makes me want to continue my own project! :)
Happy to hear that! Do you have pics?
Torbjörn Ludvigsen at the moment I only have 3D models and printed leftovers of what I called the winches (which means the hanging platform is freed from the weight and inertia that come with the electronics and mechanical components).
If you are interested, I can try to reassemble the system and take a few pictures or videos of the project.
Torbjörn Ludvigsen by the way, I'm curious: why did you decide to run a cable from the winch on the ceiling down to the hanging platform, instead of using RF?
I'm interested in any dev documentation you have/can make =)
What is RF?
Radio frequency... aka bluetooth etc..
this is awesome very cool dude we all can make one in our own homes.
That looks like one nice sunday stream building/setting this up ;) :D
Grymt häftig !
Brilliant idea! The best part - this design can be scaled to practically any size. Building/printing a house should be pretty cheap and fast when this technique is perfected. It would need a new software - with ability to change layer thickness dynamically, so that internal layers are thick (for speed) and external thin (for quality). Calibration also needs to be automatic, I can imagine a new printer setup in a new place could take only a few minutes that way.
Going on my to-do list.
might take me some time...
Great Idea, hope to see it beeing used more. Oh and i'd like to have some more (and closer) closeups of the machine working while doing the talk next time please. It's mesmerizing :)
Even more closeups? I thought they was already too much of that!
I have been planning on building one of these for a while
Torbjørn Ludvigsen has spent the last three years developing a new kind of large-format 3D printer that can build furniture-sized objects in any room
This is a good idea.
Omg this is brilliant! XD have to make one at some point! Bit shaky. But i love the idear! :D
"more money stuff"
Game changer! Livestream build vote :)
Brilliant.I had it in mind to design something like this to display the replica of the studio filming model of the Millennium falcon I'm building. I'd attach the model in place of the print head, extruder etc. and have it "fly" around a room. Would have to move a little quicker than a 3D printer of course but that's just a bit of coding and I wouldn't have to be as fussy with accuracy.
I had thought to put the motors and controller etc. around the outside of the room, only the, almost invisible, fishing line attaching to the model.
Looking forward to Tom's build of this.
Take a look at the "Tower of Babel" build in the vitana.se blog link above, not perfect but incredible.
Awesome printer! Yet another one to build 🤔
This is definitely going in a corner of the makerspace if I don't run into opposition :D
I need to clear out my garage... 3D printed car, anyone?
I'll need some new furniture anyways... any suggestions for good models to print?
www.thingiverse.com/thing:1987128
print this full size!
ok thats pretty cool, but its all about the iron throne!
www.thingiverse.com/thing:652327
Home installation 3D printers sounds awesome. Imagine using an edge/doorframe to mount your Z axis and maybe a cantilever X axis... I dunno about the base though... maybe do a 3x1 like this video. but the print sizes!!! I would print bike frames :)
A scaled down design would be amazing
I knew jordi was a scientist from the start.
Great project. It would be very speed limited and not very accurate but so great to see and learn from thankyou
excellent.
I'd like to see a desktop version, just so that you can easily break down the printer for storage and moving. I'd love a printer, but I just don't have the space for one to always be out, having a collapsible one would make things easier.
Thomas Sanladerer that guy is a Genius and deserves to be a millionaire👍🏽.
I'm building two at the moment. one for the makerspace underbroen. and one for my self. I already have some improvements for the mount, and smaller motors is the obvious improvement. :) also optical sensors with gaps in the lines (like a regular printer) and then also a more 3D printer friendly (stable) model. maybe have some geared pancake motors. I love this 3D printer. I 💞 your channel btw ;) you are the only one I follow. :D
Guess you're a runner-up to make the first functional copy (that I'm aware of). I'm very eager to see any video/text/picture/anything you post. See you in the forums (forums.reprap.org/read.php?1,738858), facebook group and the github repo! (sorry for the many sites, will collect onto hangprinter.org/ ...)
Keep us informed on your progress! I want to make one too
A collabsible composite tubeframe could solve calibration issues while maintaining mobility. It would also allow sliding the 3 axis upwards so max shape won't be conical. And you could have line pre-tension together with some high modulus line like dynema or kevlar to have better resolution. Maybe compensate line spooling in software?
Thomas make a toturial how to build this pleas !! This is so cool.
I met at the event Torbjørn and be able to speak with him for 3 full days and the project is super interesting :D maybe I will make one in the future!
Seeing what magic you cram out of little Ultimakers I would _love_ to see your Hangprints. When project ideas come to you, then you contact me, ok? ;)
Of course man I will for sure!
By far the most interesting thing so far in #3DMeetup, this guy is another Josef Prusa on the making, i can see even Tom is impressed. With a Diamond Hotend this thing could probably even print stuff with 3 color filaments.
The design could probably be changed to include the spool holders on the ceiling wooden frame.
I'm humbled.
About the spool holder: Yes! Add it, add it (crowd cheering) github.com/tobbelobb/hangprinter
Great job man :)
Thx!
I hope you do build one of these. :)
I love the idea. It actually wouldn't be too hard to make an automatic calibration system that could calculate the location of each of the 4 mounting points. Just manually move the print head to certain locations in your print area and it could figure it out with some simple math.
Can you sketch solution and math you're thinking about?
Hi Thomas
Would love to see you run through safety upgrades for [ Anet A6 ]
Single PSU Mosfet for HB /
Power supply switch pane with light /
Controller Board fan /
and possibly 12v to 24v ( before I fry my controller etc.. )
would love to have a place to put this. it would be a real conversation starter .. :D
i had a similar idea a couple years ago but it didn't have the center hanging strings and mounted the 3 axis strings on the ceiling so the strings that he currently has on the floor wont hit the print. but i couldn't figure out how you would calculate the positioning since as you get higher smaller movements would move the head extensively and would make a parabella .but if the program could be figured out then you could scale this to be suspended from cranes and print houses and more.