They just need to ban them, if their system can really detect mnk, that choice is a no brainer. But also give them 3 chances. 30 day ban, 60 day ban, then perma-ban.
The only issue is if they get false positives. Don’t want to ban innocents at all, however like Coreross said about banning repeat offenders, and giving them a warning. Might be the correct idea
@@AttacMageAttacMage Apparently there were a lot of false positives among Elite controllers' users on Xbox. No false positives among Edge users on Playstation.
As a console player it actually helped at first but as of the last week or so it has been absolutely horrible, every single match im playing with or against these people
Don't know if you see this Coreross but I heard from some MnK players on console that leaving the match at the exact second that you win or lose it will make the mousetrap not detect your input or give you input lag so maybe report it to the devs if you could so they fix it
Ubisoft can't hardware ban without Sony's / Microsofts approval. Best they can do is just account bans, but its insanely easy to just make a new account.
I came back to the game, partly because I hadn’t played in a while and partly because of MouseTrap, but I found that there were still MnK players in almost every game (I’m plat/emerald skill level on controller) and immediately left because of the return of these cheaters 😊
I think your idea for a ranked reset for repeat offenders would be amazing. Perma bans while I’d love them would just not make sense right now especially if there are false positives. Ubi just needs to iron out the kinks and work on consequences for these guys
I don't get why xim users on consoles don't get banned yet people who use cheats do. At this point, Ubi just slapping xim users on the wrist and letting them walk away like nothing happened. Where's the logic in that?
@@jacopobonetalli8396 or simply support k&m like every other games. And then matchmake using the input device... That would actually be the only fair option.
mousetrap worked very briefly, because 2 weeks after the release there were already guides on how to handle it. currently there are videos on youtube that there are a lot of patches that allow you to avoid detection, and a new device has appeared that bypasses the trap. In general, playing on a console defeats the purpose
Devs are actually brain dead. BAN THEM. Anybody who has had a history of ximimg at any stage of their accounts history in the last 3 years needs to be banned. It’s as simple as that but no, let’s over complicate things.
ubi still wants to make money off those players. ubi could mass ban players who have a long history of MNK AND who havent paid real money in the last months. Edit: To make more money, ubi could have those banned players buyt their account back. all players would have to agree to it in the next update.
2 weeks announcment, then strictly banning all mkn players. But i guess they want to loose half of their playerbase on console, thats why they dont do that
Facts my brother. Been saying this for years but ubi is scared bc they know it's gotten so bad that it's easily over half the player base at least at higher ranks
How can they can’t sue the company making these products? I remember they had some way of getting around by saying it’s not intended for using them on R6S or something,,, but they are actually trying really hard to bypass the mouse trap right?
@@coltoncaskey5781 I think that you can argue that the developers change software that is not theirs. Some cheat developers definitely have been sued before I believe.
@@coltoncaskey5781Yes it actually is a crime, you agree in the EULA that you will not purposefully or intentionally modify the software or hardware that you play the game with in any capacity. It's how companies like Rockstar can cease and desist Mod Menu makers. Idk what Ubisoft is doing.
@@rrenard16 yeah I think changing the code is illegal. But they aren’t changing the code as far as I know, they’re just plugging something in to make a keyboard look like a controller, no modification of the code is done. They’re just modifying the inputs of the keyboard to make it look like controller before it even gets to R6 so I don’t think they’re changing the r6 code at all. Could be wrong, just what I’m thinking
Don't act like I just outed a big secret.. but i've heard from mouse players that you literally just need to leave the game as the last round is ending and you get zero punishment. Insane how something like that gets through.
Yeah I notice like 75% of my time playing Siege right now is that I run into these MnK players on Console Siege and also I notice a lot of Ex-Xim players are using Strike Pads as well.
Ya I have seen the same in almost every game I have played in, you find someone with no recoil which is a very huge advantage. Not to mention the xim matrix.
@@ItsReload1 Yeah and like playing Console Siege at the moment right now on controller is unplayable at this point. Like, these Xim players will automatically kill me as soon I go around the corner to peak to TRY to kill someone but they are quick to the gun with using their cheesy Xim. Also, I notice a lot of PC LIKE FLICKS on Console Siege as well.
Here’s my way on how I’d fix mousetrap: - as soon as a MnK device is detected, even at the end of a game, instantly apply delay. - lock the delay to that game mode the cheater was playing in. This solves the issue of cheaters playing some quick match games to bypass the penalty. - increase the number of games needed to remove mousetrap. For example, for every 1 game that mouse trap is detected, 3-5 games with controller are required to remove the penalty.
They should take the warzone approach and once it's detected they can't damage enemies. That means it's not a battle of fighting the input delay AND detection but only for the detection. Most MnK players if not all have their sensitivity completely maxed out. I don't know about you but not a lot of people have it maxed out with while playing controller
just enable crossplay and dump M&K users on console into PC lobbies along with the latency, this way they will get curb stomped at whatever rank they are in and will either stop using it and stop playing or move back to controller
@@Ktoirpeople always suggest this but it wont work. 90% of mnkers dont use mnk because it feels better for them or whatever, they use it deliberately to get an unfair advantage over another. making mnk support doesnt solve the problem at all
@@fawazahmed4978It does though. If they’re playing against others with MnK, then people playing properly aren’t facing people with MnK. I don’t see how that’s not a solution.
People are starting to use it on pc too. You still get an advantage with xim even against other pc players. The xim matrix makes it where you have no recoil.
@@SomeOne-vf1rs i think you arent informed of the mnk issue at present. The way they do it is they have an adapter that spoofs the system, so theyre using mnk but the game and everything *thinks* theyre using controller, i.e they cannot detect mnk. Im saying that adding native support wont stop people using this spoofing device because they arent there for a fair matchup, they are there to get an advantage. Suppose they do add native support, sure therell be a playerbase for it, but itd be a minority. Despite the native support, most mnk users will still use the spoofing device to be put in controller lobbies. it does not solve the problem, itd only solve it if people were honest but they will never be
The mnk users figured a way around in literally 3 days. There is 2 ways you either play the 1st round with controller then plug in xim or you jus play xim and leave game as soon as game ends and it don’t register
I knew my friends and I weren’t going crazy watching obvious MnK users. My guess is that this won’t be fixed for months. It took years to get Mousetrap in the first place.
I think that resetting an account completely if its repeatedly been detected for mnk would be a good idea. Imo i think the punishment should be as follows. First detection: severe input delay around 250msp worth of delay. And a 24 hour ranked/unranked ban. Second detection: 250msp delay for a week and rank and stat reset if they’re above level 50 or a stat reset if they’re below level 50, 72 hour ranked/unranked ban. Third detection: 500msp delay on inputs, full account reset and a 75% xp and renown earn rate nerf untill they hit level 50 again. 1 week ban Fourth detection: ip ban for that account.
I definitely noticed an increase in the past 23 or 3 weeks. Just ban them at this point and make them lose $1000's worth of stuff they have purchased. Most of these cheaters are the hardcore and have been play for 5+ years so they would lose a lot of stuff. If they arent going to do that then the need to update every few weeks, but they wont because they have become pretty useless with patches like this.
The fact that these players are spending money on the game is probably the reason Ubisoft doesn't ban them, they want to please the console crowd by doing something but still wants the money from these cheaters
I quit Siege a year ago as cheaters were trickling from high rank to even being in the mid ranks making competitive more and more stressful every season. I use to get Plat casually and could grind to Diamond. After seeing the update that Sige was combating MNK on console, I got back in. I was was in my week long grind to retune myself and then ran into a full squad using MNK in casual. Now I'm just dejected about continuing the grind.
A friend of mine had the idea of giving cheaters their own servers to play on (just like newbie servers where you have to reach a certain level to play in the big pool with "all" players). When someone gets detected with mousetrap ONCE they get send to these servers without being noticed and then all the MnK Players can go against each other and also R6 wouldn't loose any players because they can just play normally on these MnK-servers. I honestly love the idea because everyone is happy: - MnK can play with the hardware they like - Controller Players play against controller players again - R6 doesn't loose any players
I don’t really understand the whole approach to this problem. Ubisoft once said that they consider using mouse and keyboard on console cheating, so why don’t they just ban those players permanently or at least for a extended period of time? What they are doing at the moment just shows me that they are not confident in their system being able to reliably detect cheaters
After getting warnings and input delay a couple times it should turn into a ban after that. Multiple chances gives legit players a chance to go Ubi if they’ve been falsely accused.
you guys clearly don't understand how business work. How many thousand dollars have you put in the game so far? Because most Xim users I knew put on avg $1-2K in microtransactions on games every years. So about $8k for an 8 yo game. They literally are the one paying for your fancy new updates... not anymore though. Now enjoy your dying game...
Lately i have noticed that people have been using mnk unaffected, i was wondering if the system just didnt work but its interesting they bybassed it completely
Honestly rank Nullification and reset would be cool. Your rank resets to the lowest teir and your unable to Play multi-player and dont receive any rewards from events, APs, Ranked season Rewards.
That sucks luckily im on pc there has to be a way Fix this, they should turn on cross play maybe?, and let mnk be natively supported and if mouse trap can really detect mnk input then put those nerds up against pc reset their rank and be perma banned
is it luckily tho? idk im on console and as shitty as mnk is i still rather have that over wall hackers, but maybe cheating for yall has gone down lately i really dont know
Let them play with all their fancy MnK, strike packs and powerful settings, no delays... BUT ZERO DAMAGE ! This way you reward good players with free kills. This is the way to go !
I really do miss being able to play this game in it's prime. I have played since the beginning and literally everyone that I squad with, including myself, have just deleted the game hoping one day for a change. Played on PS and PC. Both experiences have been unfortunate and unsatisfying even when winning. I can get why they have not done the perma bans because of false reports but I have been saying for years now that hardware bans would do wonders for this game and might be able to bring back a lot of legit players. Hope to come back one day but will keep watching from the sidelines until the dumpster fire is put out lmao. Keep up the great content.
I am glad you brought awareness to this. I thought it was baddd enough to fight Xims, but now PC had an exploit to get in console lobbies through Xbox?!?! Mouse trap is great they are trying! But they made such a HORRIBLE mistake opening a gate for true PC players in console lobbies…
Mouse trap has been useless after the 1st week it came out. It was nice at first but then it was so easy to exploit. This isn’t a new problem it’s basically been like this since the mouse trap update. Dunno why people try to act like it’s successful or useful
not just m and k Cronos and Strike pack users two I cant even enjoy a normal casual match anymore its like 1 in 10 matches or 1 in 20 I get a normal game with legit players
As others have mentioned they should have banned these people while they had the chance. Ubisoft have just done the usual let's try and go the soft route of forgiving everyone so the cheaters can give them more money. People like jynxzi should try and push Ubisoft. I expected this to happen. I used to not even get mad at the cheaters as they are sad anyway. Angry with Ubisoft.
Mnk is annoying but what’s more annoying is playing top 300 champs when I’m only diamond skill. Ranked right now has no matchmaking. And on console zens and mnk is highly probable against some people.
This is why Ubisoft are idiots for telling people about this. Do it in the background then ban or segment them in their own queue. Sick of having to queue with or against cheaters.
They don't want to bad the cheaters because that group is a major part of the player base. All they need to do is change the match making to have cheater only lobbies.
Permanent needs to be implemented once they have a system that has 100% certainty that people are cheating. Or at least very lengthy bans. It will set a precedent
Played before it was implemented n hated rank n just thought it I was bad once it was added I hit champ. Now currently in this season it feels like how it was before
@tommyhawke9262 what? Yea I do know how??? Ban the fucking degenerate pieces of trash who need to cheat on a game bc their either to poor to buy a pc or their so garbage that they need it to cope??? Ubisoft just knows that banning xim players means banning over half the console player base bc they let it get this bad.
Perma bans need to happen. I've faced too many MnK in ranked this season. If they are found out they should have thier account reset first so they lose all thier ops and cosmetics. Then if that same account gets caught again perma ban.
I was waiting for your video on this 😂. I swear this season is the worst for cheaters, not only have they bypassed the xim but the Cronus Zen is now back in the mix too for PS5
If they’re trying to avoid a lawsuit and keep attempting the input lag method, then they need to increase the amount of time required to eliminate the input lag. XIM players can play a couple rounds on controller and go back to MNK. Increase the required time on controller go be 50 games or 100 games. This alone will discourage a ton of XIM players.
I never understood why they didn't just ban these cheaters in the first place why did they decide to just pull pranks on them to make them stop, of course they're gonna find away around it
Ubisoft needs to implement a more severe penalty. They need to up their game. As for your expectations "if it doesn't happen within a week I'm going to lose confidence." Dude you already didn't have high confidence in them so it not being out in a week won't change your perspective. You just need to have hope. Not high hopes not low expectations. Just believe that they're working on it as fast as possible. As for the cheaters they're seriously low lifes. "I'm so good I made Champion on Console with my Xim." Those people in my eye's aren't real people and I just ignore them. The same goes for any type of cheating. On PC if your wall hacking you should use your actual hacking for good. If you need to hack a video game to prove you're "good" at the game then news flash you're not.
So in my experience knowing and going against many xim players. A lot of them went to cod once mousetrap came out for about a month which I loved and found hilarious. Now with the workaround they’re all back. My solution is you ban these accounts. Perma or a month I don’t care. I still applaud ubi because a decent amount of these guys have just switched back to controller
Dunno why siege doesn't do permabans. Cheaters aren't spending on the game and banning them just means more $ for ubi if they repurchase the game. Win-win!
I’ve been getting input delay with my elite controller I’ve gotten called an mnk user a lot because my horizontal sens is about 90 and just because I can flick I get call MNK 😑
I am a normal controller player all the time for around six years in seige. I swear to god I never cheated. However, somehow I continuously got the penalty! I have lodged several complaints to ubi but I think you guys know about what the result were. Some friends of mine told me that it might be relevant to the sensitivity setting as mine are pretty high. For instances, vertical 80/ horizontal 100 at hip fire position, 115 for 1.5scope while aiming etc. I mean, if it is the reason that leads me to suffer from the penalty, why the game allows me to set, right? Therefore, I tend to think it is not the reason. Nevertheless, ubi did not tell me the reason about the penalty. I am really disappointed that they punish the wrong person but let the cheaters ruin the game as you know, mnk is still working pretty well in consoles. Is there anyone like me? I hope someone could help me to figure it out, many thanks! Peace~
Perma bans would be GREAT!
100% only solution!
That would be pretty viable for console
Nah they wouldn’t do that, the cheaters are the whales that buy all the skins
Agreed
always run the risk of banning real players
I hope they update Mouse Trap. But I also hope they give not to much information so the cheat developers ca not react.
They just need to ban them, if their system can really detect mnk, that choice is a no brainer. But also give them 3 chances. 30 day ban, 60 day ban, then perma-ban.
Yikes. Maybe 3 day, then 7, then 30 then permanent.
The only issue is if they get false positives. Don’t want to ban innocents at all, however like Coreross said about banning repeat offenders, and giving them a warning. Might be the correct idea
@@gagekellstrom3978 should be difficult to get false positives unless someone leaves mnk setups attached and there's at least a fallback input check.
@@AttacMageAttacMage Apparently there were a lot of false positives among Elite controllers' users on Xbox. No false positives among Edge users on Playstation.
@@gador_xo interesting
Took them longer I expected. Hopefully Ubi won't let dust gather on Mousetrap
It was only a matter of time, instead of playing with your prey in giving them input lag, just permaban those MFers
What have you accomplished in your life beside playing video games?
Clearly you've never managed a successful company...
As a console player it actually helped at first but as of the last week or so it has been absolutely horrible, every single match im playing with or against these people
Don't know if you see this Coreross but I heard from some MnK players on console that leaving the match at the exact second that you win or lose it will make the mousetrap not detect your input or give you input lag so maybe report it to the devs if you could so they fix it
This is correct that’s what they do
I was wondering why so many people seem to be in a hurry recently. I've had at least 2 players per game do that, insane how many ximers there are...
@@KirillT14 yea I’d say on average the enemy team has 2 as well in my matches it’s better than it used to be
This is the exploit he’s talking about in the video. Honestly Ubi need to hurry up and patch this shit out.
That’s simply wrong
Been feeling it, first part of the season my team was doing great, win loss was even. Not you can see after I die the kill cam shows the flick.
Perma hardware bans are the only way. Just gonna have to accept false positives and find a way to deal with them later
Yes
hardware bans are also easy to bypass
Ubisoft can't hardware ban without Sony's / Microsofts approval.
Best they can do is just account bans, but its insanely easy to just make a new account.
@@roger3681very true but I bet it would be very upsetting to the XIM user to lose all their shite on their account.
Let's hope you're the first false positive. Would love to see your face then losing everything in your account...
I came back to the game, partly because I hadn’t played in a while and partly because of MouseTrap, but I found that there were still MnK players in almost every game (I’m plat/emerald skill level on controller) and immediately left because of the return of these cheaters 😊
Blah blah blah you can still kill them only takes 3 bullets it’s not the end of the world coming from a controller player
You seems like the kind of guy who would abandon a marathon just because some people have better running shoes.
Sad excuses...
@@sleeprelaxingsounds31093 bullets? i want your ping
@@sleeprelaxingsounds3109why would he want to play against someone with a blatant advantage against him? Even if he can still kill him?
I think your idea for a ranked reset for repeat offenders would be amazing. Perma bans while I’d love them would just not make sense right now especially if there are false positives. Ubi just needs to iron out the kinks and work on consequences for these guys
I don't get why xim users on consoles don't get banned yet people who use cheats do. At this point, Ubi just slapping xim users on the wrist and letting them walk away like nothing happened. Where's the logic in that?
I have a better solution, cheater lobbies.
They should also ban people with elite controller, gaming monitors or beyond average headsets. Now that would be fair...
@@jacopobonetalli8396 or simply support k&m like every other games. And then matchmake using the input device...
That would actually be the only fair option.
mousetrap worked very briefly, because 2 weeks after the release there were already guides on how to handle it. currently there are videos on youtube that there are a lot of patches that allow you to avoid detection, and a new device has appeared that bypasses the trap. In general, playing on a console defeats the purpose
I thought mouse trap just didn't work at all because i still played mnk players every game so hearing it worked for a month is news to me
I think you might just be bad
that means you just couldnt differentiate between controller and mnk. mousetrap objectively worked.
@coolpans7417 yeah maybe lol
It 100% worked last season. Over the course of last season I actually saw about 10-15 teammates get mousetrapped was fucking hilarious.
Devs are actually brain dead. BAN THEM. Anybody who has had a history of ximimg at any stage of their accounts history in the last 3 years needs to be banned. It’s as simple as that but no, let’s over complicate things.
ubi still wants to make money off those players. ubi could mass ban players who have a long history of MNK AND who havent paid real money in the last months.
Edit: To make more money, ubi could have those banned players buyt their account back. all players would have to agree to it in the next update.
2 weeks announcment, then strictly banning all mkn players. But i guess they want to loose half of their playerbase on console, thats why they dont do that
They don’t want false positives
@@reneebear3641 then have Appels. They need a ban they are cheating
Facts my brother. Been saying this for years but ubi is scared bc they know it's gotten so bad that it's easily over half the player base at least at higher ranks
How can they can’t sue the company making these products?
I remember they had some way of getting around by saying it’s not intended for using them on R6S or something,,, but they are actually trying really hard to bypass the mouse trap right?
Because most of them are made in China. And China doesn't care about people making cheats for foreign games, only for their own games.
Cheating on a video game isn’t a crime or a violation of anyone’s rights. No law suit can be filed
@@coltoncaskey5781 I think that you can argue that the developers change software that is not theirs. Some cheat developers definitely have been sued before I believe.
@@coltoncaskey5781Yes it actually is a crime, you agree in the EULA that you will not purposefully or intentionally modify the software or hardware that you play the game with in any capacity.
It's how companies like Rockstar can cease and desist Mod Menu makers.
Idk what Ubisoft is doing.
@@rrenard16 yeah I think changing the code is illegal. But they aren’t changing the code as far as I know, they’re just plugging something in to make a keyboard look like a controller, no modification of the code is done. They’re just modifying the inputs of the keyboard to make it look like controller before it even gets to R6 so I don’t think they’re changing the r6 code at all. Could be wrong, just what I’m thinking
Don't act like I just outed a big secret.. but i've heard from mouse players that you literally just need to leave the game as the last round is ending and you get zero punishment. Insane how something like that gets through.
Yeah I notice like 75% of my time playing Siege right now is that I run into these MnK players on Console Siege and also I notice a lot of Ex-Xim players are using Strike Pads as well.
Ya I have seen the same in almost every game I have played in, you find someone with no recoil which is a very huge advantage. Not to mention the xim matrix.
@@ItsReload1 Yeah and like playing Console Siege at the moment right now on controller is unplayable at this point. Like, these Xim players will automatically kill me as soon I go around the corner to peak to TRY to kill someone but they are quick to the gun with using their cheesy Xim. Also, I notice a lot of PC LIKE FLICKS on Console Siege as well.
Here’s my way on how I’d fix mousetrap:
- as soon as a MnK device is detected, even at the end of a game, instantly apply delay.
- lock the delay to that game mode the cheater was playing in. This solves the issue of cheaters playing some quick match games to bypass the penalty.
- increase the number of games needed to remove mousetrap. For example, for every 1 game that mouse trap is detected, 3-5 games with controller are required to remove the penalty.
this seems like a very good way to lose high-paying customers...
They should take the warzone approach and once it's detected they can't damage enemies. That means it's not a battle of fighting the input delay AND detection but only for the detection. Most MnK players if not all have their sensitivity completely maxed out. I don't know about you but not a lot of people have it maxed out with while playing controller
just enable crossplay and dump M&K users on console into PC lobbies along with the latency, this way they will get curb stomped at whatever rank they are in and will either stop using it and stop playing or move back to controller
Or they just make MnK compatible and put Xbox and ps mouse players in the same lobby lol
@@Ktoirpeople always suggest this but it wont work. 90% of mnkers dont use mnk because it feels better for them or whatever, they use it deliberately to get an unfair advantage over another. making mnk support doesnt solve the problem at all
@@fawazahmed4978It does though. If they’re playing against others with MnK, then people playing properly aren’t facing people with MnK. I don’t see how that’s not a solution.
People are starting to use it on pc too. You still get an advantage with xim even against other pc players. The xim matrix makes it where you have no recoil.
@@SomeOne-vf1rs i think you arent informed of the mnk issue at present. The way they do it is they have an adapter that spoofs the system, so theyre using mnk but the game and everything *thinks* theyre using controller, i.e they cannot detect mnk. Im saying that adding native support wont stop people using this spoofing device because they arent there for a fair matchup, they are there to get an advantage.
Suppose they do add native support, sure therell be a playerbase for it, but itd be a minority. Despite the native support, most mnk users will still use the spoofing device to be put in controller lobbies. it does not solve the problem, itd only solve it if people were honest but they will never be
The mnk users figured a way around in literally 3 days. There is 2 ways you either play the 1st round with controller then plug in xim or you jus play xim and leave game as soon as game ends and it don’t register
That’s actually crazy the matches started getting harder 2 weeks ago and I thought it was me being off my game. Welp I shall be benching the game
I knew my friends and I weren’t going crazy watching obvious MnK users. My guess is that this won’t be fixed for months. It took years to get Mousetrap in the first place.
I think that resetting an account completely if its repeatedly been detected for mnk would be a good idea.
Imo i think the punishment should be as follows.
First detection: severe input delay around 250msp worth of delay. And a 24 hour ranked/unranked ban.
Second detection: 250msp delay for a week and rank and stat reset if they’re above level 50 or a stat reset if they’re below level 50, 72 hour ranked/unranked ban.
Third detection: 500msp delay on inputs, full account reset and a 75% xp and renown earn rate nerf untill they hit level 50 again. 1 week ban
Fourth detection: ip ban for that account.
I definitely noticed an increase in the past 23 or 3 weeks. Just ban them at this point and make them lose $1000's worth of stuff they have purchased. Most of these cheaters are the hardcore and have been play for 5+ years so they would lose a lot of stuff.
If they arent going to do that then the need to update every few weeks, but they wont because they have become pretty useless with patches like this.
The fact that these players are spending money on the game is probably the reason Ubisoft doesn't ban them, they want to please the console crowd by doing something but still wants the money from these cheaters
Almost like making an Anti cheat which does nothing more than a slap on the wrist is stupid 🤷♂️
I quit Siege a year ago as cheaters were trickling from high rank to even being in the mid ranks making competitive more and more stressful every season. I use to get Plat casually and could grind to Diamond. After seeing the update that Sige was combating MNK on console, I got back in. I was was in my week long grind to retune myself and then ran into a full squad using MNK in casual. Now I'm just dejected about continuing the grind.
It’s funny how cod developed a more sophisticated anti cheat that detects any 3rd party device, then straight up perma bans repeated offenders… 🤦♂️
A friend of mine had the idea of giving cheaters their own servers to play on (just like newbie servers where you have to reach a certain level to play in the big pool with "all" players). When someone gets detected with mousetrap ONCE they get send to these servers without being noticed and then all the MnK Players can go against each other and also R6 wouldn't loose any players because they can just play normally on these MnK-servers. I honestly love the idea because everyone is happy:
- MnK can play with the hardware they like
- Controller Players play against controller players again
- R6 doesn't loose any players
I don’t really understand the whole approach to this problem. Ubisoft once said that they consider using mouse and keyboard on console cheating, so why don’t they just ban those players permanently or at least for a extended period of time? What they are doing at the moment just shows me that they are not confident in their system being able to reliably detect cheaters
Just ban them ffs
After getting warnings and input delay a couple times it should turn into a ban after that. Multiple chances gives legit players a chance to go Ubi if they’ve been falsely accused.
you guys clearly don't understand how business work. How many thousand dollars have you put in the game so far? Because most Xim users I knew put on avg $1-2K in microtransactions on games every years. So about $8k for an 8 yo game. They literally are the one paying for your fancy new updates... not anymore though.
Now enjoy your dying game...
This wouldn't have been an issue of that had just banned them.
They should just add native keyboard and mouse for consoles and just let us play within the crossplay community
Lately i have noticed that people have been using mnk unaffected, i was wondering if the system just didnt work but its interesting they bybassed it completely
Perm bans for cheaters, or only put cheaters together.
Honestly rank Nullification and reset would be cool. Your rank resets to the lowest teir and your unable to Play multi-player and dont receive any rewards from events, APs, Ranked season Rewards.
Unisoft needs to start suing the cheat development companies.
That sucks
luckily im on pc
there has to be a way Fix this,
they should turn on cross play maybe?,
and let mnk be natively supported
and if mouse trap can really detect mnk input then put those nerds up against pc
reset their rank
and be perma banned
is it luckily tho? idk im on console and as shitty as mnk is i still rather have that over wall hackers, but maybe cheating for yall has gone down lately i really dont know
@@fawazahmed4978 ive ran across 0 hackers in 5 years
Mouse trap works just not 100% I’m controller and still get mousetrapped some games
Lets detect the players going around moustrap and ban their IP, location and Account forever.
Let them play with all their fancy MnK, strike packs and powerful settings, no delays... BUT ZERO DAMAGE ! This way you reward good players with free kills. This is the way to go !
Can’t do this because it punishes other good players on their team
@@XxMemeist_ExtremistxX I get it but you gotta do something at some point to eradicate this plague
literally just played a ranked game entire enemy team was champ xims 💀
Sad because this year was supposed to be focused on console and we’ve had one update in march like…
I really do miss being able to play this game in it's prime. I have played since the beginning and literally everyone that I squad with, including myself, have just deleted the game hoping one day for a change. Played on PS and PC. Both experiences have been unfortunate and unsatisfying even when winning. I can get why they have not done the perma bans because of false reports but I have been saying for years now that hardware bans would do wonders for this game and might be able to bring back a lot of legit players. Hope to come back one day but will keep watching from the sidelines until the dumpster fire is put out lmao.
Keep up the great content.
I am glad you brought awareness to this. I thought it was baddd enough to fight Xims, but now PC had an exploit to get in console lobbies through Xbox?!?!
Mouse trap is great they are trying! But they made such a HORRIBLE mistake opening a gate for true PC players in console lobbies…
This already got hotfixed :)
@@zSxnc Good I hope so
What are they going to do about Cronas now?
Ubi has to take care of this asap !
Did they just give up on mouse trap?
Thought I was crazy for thinking there was a ton of MnKs the past week or so
Off topic but i think you're an absolute boss using controller on PC. That's gotta be hard as hell
Played against a Hans Ximmer recently. When confronted, he said, and I quote, “high sense + good player.” He’s never made it out of Bronze lmao
Mouse trap has been useless after the 1st week it came out. It was nice at first but then it was so easy to exploit. This isn’t a new problem it’s basically been like this since the mouse trap update. Dunno why people try to act like it’s successful or useful
All last season it worked
@@tinyissmall it def didn’t just look at Jynxzis channel last month
If I know ubi they won’t even acknowledge anything for a month let alone fix or do anything.
not just m and k Cronos and Strike pack users two I cant even enjoy a normal casual match anymore its like 1 in 10 matches or 1 in 20 I get a normal game with legit players
1:39 nice clutch, man
Ubisoft just made a hughe weight in their shoulders. They put 2 cats for one mouse.
Cheat makers and emulator makers vs r6 developers.
As others have mentioned they should have banned these people while they had the chance. Ubisoft have just done the usual let's try and go the soft route of forgiving everyone so the cheaters can give them more money. People like jynxzi should try and push Ubisoft. I expected this to happen. I used to not even get mad at the cheaters as they are sad anyway. Angry with Ubisoft.
File this one under: well duh. I am sure this is going to be a back and forth…
Just ban their ips so they can’t just make a new account or track their ips and break their arms and legs that would work too
Mnk is annoying but what’s more annoying is playing top 300 champs when I’m only diamond skill. Ranked right now has no matchmaking. And on console zens and mnk is highly probable against some people.
This is why Ubisoft are idiots for telling people about this. Do it in the background then ban or segment them in their own queue. Sick of having to queue with or against cheaters.
We are back to the Ximphobe delusions yet again 💀
They don't want to bad the cheaters because that group is a major part of the player base. All they need to do is change the match making to have cheater only lobbies.
all they need to do is add proper m&k support then ban people who use third-party (since it wouldn't be needed anymore)
Permanent needs to be implemented once they have a system that has 100% certainty that people are cheating. Or at least very lengthy bans. It will set a precedent
Played before it was implemented n hated rank n just thought it I was bad once it was added I hit champ. Now currently in this season it feels like how it was before
Ofc they bypassing it if you didn't think it would happen your delusional
Exactly
Ok fix it then if you know how to????
@tommyhawke9262 what? Yea I do know how??? Ban the fucking degenerate pieces of trash who need to cheat on a game bc their either to poor to buy a pc or their so garbage that they need it to cope??? Ubisoft just knows that banning xim players means banning over half the console player base bc they let it get this bad.
I don’t even think they need perma bans, I think mouse trap should come with an MMR pause, holding them at their rank, with the delay
nah, they should just add proper support for m&k like every other games...
Perma bans need to happen. I've faced too many MnK in ranked this season. If they are found out they should have thier account reset first so they lose all thier ops and cosmetics. Then if that same account gets caught again perma ban.
I was waiting for your video on this 😂. I swear this season is the worst for cheaters, not only have they bypassed the xim but the Cronus Zen is now back in the mix too for PS5
When my wifi just as bad as those who use mnk and get input delay.
If they’re trying to avoid a lawsuit and keep attempting the input lag method, then they need to increase the amount of time required to eliminate the input lag.
XIM players can play a couple rounds on controller and go back to MNK. Increase the required time on controller go be 50 games or 100 games. This alone will discourage a ton of XIM players.
Today played 3 cheaters in 5 games with the other 2 champion squads playing against emerald mixed with gold Silva and plat absolutelyly brilliant
Ubi should do same as call of duty one warning (3days ban) and then if u use mnk again its perma ban
I'm so bad at being suspended for cheating when all I did was throw a few matches as I as tired of being teamkilled
This game will NEVER get better its complete garbage
Knew it, damn that's unfortunate
Oh no....who ever could've seen this coming 😒😒😒🙄🙄
I’m sorry man but the firmware update was made day one, and the method your talking about worked same time as well
I never understood why they didn't just ban these cheaters in the first place why did they decide to just pull pranks on them to make them stop, of course they're gonna find away around it
How can I bypass?
Ubisoft needs to implement a more severe penalty. They need to up their game. As for your expectations "if it doesn't happen within a week I'm going to lose confidence." Dude you already didn't have high confidence in them so it not being out in a week won't change your perspective. You just need to have hope. Not high hopes not low expectations. Just believe that they're working on it as fast as possible. As for the cheaters they're seriously low lifes. "I'm so good I made Champion on Console with my Xim." Those people in my eye's aren't real people and I just ignore them. The same goes for any type of cheating. On PC if your wall hacking you should use your actual hacking for good. If you need to hack a video game to prove you're "good" at the game then news flash you're not.
Ubisofts greed for potential customers who cheat their way around the game outweighs that of the support for the game and the community.
mouse trap no longer works
My friend plays xim and was never affected by mousetrap to begin with
I saw it was bypassed last night when dude was doing Hella crouchies lmao
Already quit no point to take the game seriously anymore.... and it's sad my favorite game and I'm forced to leave it...
Your not forced lol that’s ur choice
@@Ktoir forced by the incompetent devs who can’t fix cheating. Also the pathetic scumbags that use xim are ruining the game
Nope total’s right it’s not a skill issue at that point it’s unskilled people trying to get an advantage over honest hard-core CONSOLE games.
@ktoir5528 forced dude its not fun to play with cheaters every game games are supposed to be fun.
People use these xim on PC also, this is not just a console issue
I would suggest manual review and ban/punish from that but its probably not the best idea
Your right that’s a terrible idea Manuel review? Controller players can look mouse and mouse players can look controller 😂
@@Ktoir not even
@@Ktoir yea it just devs probably wouldnt care as much and just let them go or something
@@Ktoir It is incredibly easy to tell mnk from controller. They cannot look like each other whatsoever
they did get bypassed immediately????? SAB2.0???
So in my experience knowing and going against many xim players. A lot of them went to cod once mousetrap came out for about a month which I loved and found hilarious. Now with the workaround they’re all back. My solution is you ban these accounts. Perma or a month I don’t care. I still applaud ubi because a decent amount of these guys have just switched back to controller
bruh just as i was about to play r6 again
Dunno why siege doesn't do permabans. Cheaters aren't spending on the game and banning them just means more $ for ubi if they repurchase the game. Win-win!
I fucking knew it, I felt this shit while playing
as a pc player. if ubi can detect it, just ban them for a period of time, longer and longer with each offense to an eventual perma ban. smh
They need to start doing perma IP bans.
I’ve been getting input delay with my elite controller I’ve gotten called an mnk user a lot because my horizontal sens is about 90 and just because I can flick I get call MNK 😑
Wow a Ubisoft anti cheat doesn't work?
No pc
I am a normal controller player all the time for around six years in seige. I swear to god I never cheated. However, somehow I continuously got the penalty! I have lodged several complaints to ubi but I think you guys know about what the result were. Some friends of mine told me that it might be relevant to the sensitivity setting as mine are pretty high. For instances, vertical 80/ horizontal 100 at hip fire position, 115 for 1.5scope while aiming etc. I mean, if it is the reason that leads me to suffer from the penalty, why the game allows me to set, right? Therefore, I tend to think it is not the reason. Nevertheless, ubi did not tell me the reason about the penalty.
I am really disappointed that they punish the wrong person but let the cheaters ruin the game as you know, mnk is still working pretty well in consoles.
Is there anyone like me? I hope someone could help me to figure it out, many thanks! Peace~