This is less of a livestream and more of an unhinged rant around how my love of Lion El'Jonson and his sons will last forever. I will not be accepting disagreement at this time
In a 40K YT creator space rife with sensationalism, unnecessary humor, sarcasm, AI voiceovers, faceless creators, and regurgitated, scripted content, your maturity and balanced takes are very refreshing. The qualities of your voice are a welcome bonus too! Most importantly, though, no other creator (that I've watched) speaks so articulately in an unscripted, open, long-form manner. Very impressive. You are a well-read gentleman who is going to go far, Sandman! Best of luck! Oh and this video cements the Dark Angels as my favorite legion as well. 🤘😌
When you said Russ keeps up a facade that he is a beast but really is very intelligent - I had a friend in the army who was exactly like that! His nick name was Mallet, he would always act like he was a bit slow but then somebody would ask a question after a very complex briefing and Mallet used to reel off the whole operational plan including dates names numbers places coordinates. I asked him why he did that and he just said "it has always served me well" Mallet - a simple yet effective tool lol. He was and still is a great bloke. 😊 Also I am definitely going to join today. I have been enjoying the fact you have been uploading more videos than normal. 😊
I mean... the problem with that is that Russ's actual behaviour throughout the HH series is not particularly bright. He's consistently biting off more than he can chew, launching impetuous attacks that his decidedly mid-strength Legion cannot actually pull off, and playing into his whole 'executioner' act completely without any particularly cunning bait-and-switch inversions. He takes horrendous casualties in the attack on Prospero despite a) Magnus letting it happen and b) the support of the Sisters and the Custodes; he needs the Lion to save his backside from the Alpha Legion; he hares off on a dumb assassination attempt on Horus that not only fails, but destroys most of the remains of his legion and leaves him entirely absent for the siege of Terra. Acting the fool while secretly being wise only works if you know when it's time to drop the act. Russ either doesn't, or is in fact a fool despite his intellect.
How I see the Nemiel incident is that it reinforces El'Jonson's pragmatic ruthlessness. What is more important, obeying the edict or surviving? The Emperor is not there and there is new information that changes the situation. Nemiel should've followed the direct order and let the primarch deal with whatever the fallout is with Big E.
I liked Nemiel and was hoping he would survive the Heresy but at that moment, he was jeopardizing the entire fleet and duty of the Dark Angels that while it is very regrettable, it is understandable why the Lion had to do it and I like that it played a big part in why he has changed now as it haunts him.
Yeah I recently read the story where the lion did this, with the pre knowledge of what happens. After listening to the passage, I was 💯 on board with what the lion did. Namiel was warned so many times before the attack, he chose his fate, and the lion took the pragmatic approach at the time and dealt with the consequences after. Sometimes You have to make the hard decisions to get to the destination.
Nemiel was a cool character. I hate he died in the book but he really asked for it. I mean, let’s not get it twisted. My man LE’J has a BAD temper. He should have known better. Plus it’s idiotic to just die and not help the Emperor survive based on a pre Heresy decision E made.
Gotta comment something, this amount of passion (completely devoid of bias or cope) needs any boost i can give it in the algorythm. As a defender of the position that Loyalist EC are the best legion, im taking notes from this livestream as to how to defend my take.
The way you know the DA are the GOAT Legion is because all of their most famous victories are considered inconsequential to them. Anything they consider important is kept secret, even from themselves. It’s likely that all knowledge of many of their greatest achievements died with the last veteran who was there, because none of them ever told a soul. They also are apparently completely unbothered by the Lovecraftian Jawas who follow them around and have somehow become their personal sword caddies.
Loyal?? They have attacked and killed the custodians in the emperor's palace , killed and abandoned countless actually loyal soldiers and Marines allowing their destruction to pursue the hint of fallen. Killed many loyal people who found their "shame"...there are renegade chapters far far more loyal than them. News flash EVERY chapter had traitors most went oh those traitors idiots yeah we hunted them down and killed them not it's my secret shame rubbish 😂.
My first army was Dark Angels which I started in 1994 at age 11 (2nd edition). I'm 41 and they are still there in their own carry case, waiting patiently for me to expand them out into a modern 10th edition force. Much of it consists of the old, heavy metal models which we don't see a lot of anymore, and there's some bits which I got from GW mail order like my terminator captain. Can you even get these things anymore?
Just wait til Russ comes back with Odin-level prescience. Honestly can't wait to see him team up with Lion as a couple old wise dudes and just totally own chaos.
Your content is like a breath of fresh air. Or more like really nostalgic air. Between you and Auspex it's so close to the reality of how I discovered WH40k a decade ago.. A friend of a friend rambling about something he's passionate about and sounds cool and a board game guy who knew I hate board games so convinced I'd like the universe he explained it anyway. I mean the above only positively. In a world of content creators and tiktok stars genuine passion is an invaluable currency to us pushing 30.
They didn't exist at the time but I imagine the palpable awkwardness of saying JoyToy out-loud several times within a minute would have been very similar
I like how everyone takes Alpharius' version of the meeting between him and the Lion during the Ragdan as gospel while ignoring the Lion's account in a story by Chris Wraight.
@@VoodooDuck It’ll never cease to make me laugh how many people will blindly trust everything the Alpha Legion says and does. The legion whose main form of operation is deceit.
Having this many uploads this close together from you is AMAZING! For a while now I've looked forward to your uploads even more than luetin09's and that's saying something! Love it! Thanks SO MUCH man! ❤
Huron Blackheart is the 2nd most powerful chaos demon _because_ he was an ultramarine. He understood the assignment when he fell to chaos and was very efficient.
He's no Daemon, he's just another chaos corrupted Astartes. You have to be elevated to a Daemon Prince to achieve Daemonhood which very rarely happens.
@@quigonlynn1 Yeah, I know that, I don't even know why I called him a demon, honestly. I think I meant to say "lord" but then thought "Chaos" and then "daemon" which autocorrects to "demon" on my keyboard. I'd edit it but it got hearted. Ah well.
I think the Fallen issue when it comes to 40k boils down to those Fallen who were deceived by Luther and his inner circle more likely to gravitate towards the Lion while those who were complicit and/or loyal to Luther (most seem to have fallen to Chaos) will remain Fallen and join Luther. Also, there's a reason why the Dark Angels has one of their monikers, in addition to being the Uncrowned Princes, as being called "The First". They're the first in everything they do.
I fully understand that this is your genuine belief, based on lots of evidence in the lore, but in terms of content I'd love to see you try to put yourself in the mindset of doing a stream like this for each of the legions and their primarchs. Just something I'd enjoy watching, personally.
I have a theory that cypher is parts of the lion shorn of in his duel with Luther. His youth etc. Its why he has the lions sword. Because he IS the lion, or at least parts of.
9:00 The funniest thing about "Lion being an asshole" is that yes, it is true. But that only makes him more like the Emperor. He really is the Primarch most similar to his father.
You said the word "joytoy" and my ignorant ass imagined a primarch standing on the corner on jig jig street in cyberpunk or arguing with the leader of the mox about joining the mox as a joytoy. 😂.40k in cyberpunk, never thought I needed to see this mod until now xD.
Ave Brother Sandman. You honor us by setting aside time during our glorious season of celebrations! My thanks to you and your family for the sacrifices you all are making for the glory of the Imperium.
It's funny almost from the beginning when I started in 40k I loved the Dark Angels. It was so early the only art had them in the Black Armor. But it was the story of the Fallen that had always caught my attention. My first Chaos Lord was a Fallen.
I hope in the new books there will be some good time spent on Raldoron and Azkaellon, plus the other surviving major Blood Angels captains. Raldoron is one of my favorite HH characters. I also hope the Raven Guard crew gets some more time too, the brothers Nev, and other RG commanders, plus Corvus! And of course, Sigismund :)
I think Zahariel likely swaps with the Nemean to become Epimetheus at some unknown point, as hinted at in Pandorax. The Nemean may then become Cypher and there are certainly similarities in appearance. Or maybe it’s Corswain. I love the intrigue with the DAs.
Yes they are, they are the only legion to be combined arms tacticians. They are not my favorite but they deserve the credit. I love the raven guard, found a short story in Iraq inside a uso box.
The First are legitimately the best all around Legion. They can do just about everything that all the other Legion can perform. They were built to be the Conquers and the Destroyers. By the end of the Great Crusade they had become the Emperor's preferred legion when something had to be completely destroyed with NO record of the existence. The Emperor trusted the Lion without question above all the Brother Primarchs.
One thing I don't care about, like at all, is the fact that the dark angels were the template that everyone else come from. I get that it's a cool bit of trivia, but it just doesn't matter? They're not inherently better than the others because of it. But I get geeking out over your favorite legion, it's nice to see it.
DUDE, at 7:21 when you said that the White Scars are the best written legion I fucking threw my fist up in the air. Fuck yes that got a physical reaction out of me, GGs
I greatly enjoyed reading both White Scars books I've checked out so far, Jaghatai Khan: Warhawk of Chogoris and The Path of Heaven (which is part of the HH series). The Khan is an interesting primarch and I love the Mongols-in-space theme. Chris Wraight is a good writer who creates interesting dynamics between the characters he writes. I'll be looking forward to any new WS content.
@@marcingolab6227 Scars, the Path of Heaven and finally the Warkhawk book at the siege of terra are just masterworks. They are all so fucking chill and the way they all behave when they're with Ilya is hillarious. Plus the MASSIVE FUCKING W that Jaghatai gets on Mortarion at the end of Warhawk will never be forgotten. Biggest W that a primarch ever gotten over another
I missed the livestream but I’m here to let you all know that Sandman/Big E/Malcador/Valdor and lastly (also most importantly) WarhammerFanBri all DECLARED at the BIRTH of the Imperium that the first legion are the best….argument over lol
The lion and the dark angel are one of my top five favorite loyalist legion and primarch because of majorkill, wolf lord rho and sandman of terra. Thry got a new detachment and hope they beat the black templars because i felt that dark angel have to show who's the most powerful legion.
I mean, of course they are more complex, they get asstons of lore just like any focus chapter. Try being cool after having like 4 books written by Nick Kyme and having 90% of your legion killed off. Its the drip.
Have to agree with u mate thr Dark Angels and El Johnson have always been my favourite they r the most interesting chapter because they have been about so long. When the Dark Angels arrives in McCragg Guiliman was in aw of his troops. His whole story line with Curze who is my fav was goany say chaos Primarch but hee just thst evil hee not even turned. There fights are some of the best aswell na u won’t change my mind @ FOR THE LION
i didnt think it was possible to love yu anymore , but my god ypuve made me so happy seeing my bois topping the leaderboard by my fave streamer/person!!!
Let me say I’m a biased DAs fan. BUT, I’m also a big Crimson Fists collector too. I’m a Dorn fan but I really don’t understand why he is thought to be so great compared to the top primarchs. The defense of Terra was a failure. Perturabo broke Dorn’s defenses. Then after the Heresy, he was soundly beaten by Perturabo again at the Iron Cage. Sanguinius, Guilliman, and Lion’s plan worked. That’s what pushed Horus to bring E into his ship. Dorn’s defenses being broken also played a roll in E’s decision to take Horus’s bait and board his ship. Dorn’s awesome, but he’s not near top of the list. I think I’m being fairly unbiased. I mean, I love Konrad Curze but I definitely admit if he’s not last in line he’s very close. 😂 As for the Dark Angels, I really don’t even think it’s debatable that Heresy Dark Angels are the absolute cream of the crop. 40K Dark Angels……😬 I love the 40K DA characters but…yeah. The DAs and SWs kinda swapped. 30k wolves are numb skulls among numb skulls. Just blithering idiots. The 40K Wolves are actually pretty good. Oh, and my head cannon is the Star Phantoms are 100% Dreadwing descendants that the DAs blame for blowing up Caliban and that’s why they don’t get along. My mind will not be changed.
imagine if the lion was war master instead. "loyalty is its own reward" couldve had it but of course the emperor had to choose wrong. also didnt konrad fight robute and the lion at the same time briefly before escaping before he gets cornered by the lion. and konrads mind was deteriorating exponentially so im not quite sure how fair that fight was between him and the lion were fair, he literally looked more ghoulish than ever before because of cracked out he became, but yeah the lion is a G. konrad and the lion are my favorite primarchs because of how much their upbringings mirror each other with vastly different outcomes. if only konrad didnt crash land on that wretched planet and was raised by humans that cared for him.
It's been nearly a year since the End and the Death Part 2, it's been nearly a year since we've had any banger of a book out of Black Library, no idea what's going on there but we need some new lore desperately.
Zahariel = 1st DA Daemon Prince. (I'm betting Nurgle) He'll be what freaks out Luther and why he's a babbling wreck in 40k. My fanboy hope is 40k Cypher is Corswain waiting for dad.
I am so torn between White Scars and Dark Angels. I know the saying goes Russ is a man pretending to be a beast and the Lion is a beast pretending to be a man but I think people really underplay him slaughtering Demons for years with his bare hands as a naked child. No other primarch has gone through so much the second they landed other than Angron and killing the Dark Eldar wore him down so much mere humans captured him!
Wait until johnson finds out his sons ran from battles leaving allies stranded to die just so they can get a single rumor of a traitor looked in to. Multiple times. Or the screw ups of his senior leadership, how the dark angels became self serving, there’s plenty of reasons to not like them in 40k prior to Johnson’s return.
"post your joy--toy collection in the discord...". I haven't started painting models yet so my first thought was, "is he talking about the hookers in Cyberpunk 2077?"
Sanguinius wasn't loyal to the Emperor. He loved him like a child loves his parent. Russ isn't able to be disloyal on a psychological level. There are primarchs who per se weren't loyal to the Emperor , like the Raven and the Hawk , but rather to humanity or the empire . Vulkan and Ferrus made a choice to follow the Emperor, because they both decided that he is good . In both cases it allowed them both to return from death. Gulliman and the Lion are the two who think of the Emperor in terms of loyality. Only jn Gman case the lotality is based on pragmatism. He can imagine a reality without the Emperor. For the Lion such a reality does not exist.
@@piotrjeske4599 Saying Sanguinius wasn’t Loyal like this, Would have just gotten you branded a heretic….. they literally have holidays in the imperium for Sanguinius’ loyalty and death to the Emperor
It is okay, he just missed the word. We all know he meant the 9th, sons of THE Angel. Its human to make mistakes like that, tho brother did you notice his resemblance to Horus? HORUS!?
I think Dark angels are designed for killing the mechanicum, and for enemies that need utterlh destroyed in secret. The space wolves, as the executioners have to be effective at killing space marines, and other enemies, and do so "theatrically" to put it that way, so they can be seen doing it. So space wolves are bragards, in a fun way, but the best at killing space marines. Dark angels, and the lion, would be able to wipe out a lot of the enemies, including primarchs and space marines, in secret.
@@SandmanofTerra Fair point, I know that Mr. Baldermort made a similar remark once, I think. I do rather like the Dark Angels even though I favor the Space Wolves myself. There is something titanic, awesome and fist-clenching in saying "The First", can't deny it.
I really don't like that the broken up chapters gotnrid of so many of their unique organisation. For example the fire wing of the DA or the Karaoghlanlar of thw white scars
Nemiel, before ascending into an Astartes along with a few others attempted, or at least plotted to kill the Emperor when he first arrived to Caliban. I wonder if Lion knew of it all along, and always had some level of contempt towards him and when he took the Emperors side over him, he lashed out and killed him.
Do you have any recommendations on Dark Angels books? They are also my favorite legion. I’ve read both the Lion books (pre heresy and modern 40K) and I’m trying to find some good books for the current setting.
I would definitely recommend reading unremembered empire.its relatively far into the heresy but I think you'll be fine but mainly it gives important background to the guilliman/Lion relationship
Russ is a coward, only el Johnson & Rogal are 100% loyal. Johnson was peerless with his dedication to the emperor without question & Rogal proved he could see past brotherhood when facing alpharious/omegon with not a quiver in his objective. Russ the baby pulled his punch at the last moment for pitiful bs... cowardly . Russ deserves to stay "lost
This is less of a livestream and more of an unhinged rant around how my love of Lion El'Jonson and his sons will last forever. I will not be accepting disagreement at this time
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Yea we noticed and I think its awesome! Just shows we are all nerds here.
Loyalty is its own reward.
More unhinged rants about your favourite Warhammer things please
In a 40K YT creator space rife with sensationalism, unnecessary humor, sarcasm, AI voiceovers, faceless creators, and regurgitated, scripted content, your maturity and balanced takes are very refreshing. The qualities of your voice are a welcome bonus too!
Most importantly, though, no other creator (that I've watched) speaks so articulately in an unscripted, open, long-form manner. Very impressive. You are a well-read gentleman who is going to go far, Sandman! Best of luck!
Oh and this video cements the Dark Angels as my favorite legion as well. 🤘😌
Sandman has a mind like a steel trap
Not to mention straight up misinformation. Looking at you Koda
“If you’re not first, your last!” said Ricky Bobby, First Dark Angel Chaplain
You're thinking about Bicky Robby.
Thought he was a Ravenwing racer
When you said Russ keeps up a facade that he is a beast but really is very intelligent - I had a friend in the army who was exactly like that! His nick name was Mallet, he would always act like he was a bit slow but then somebody would ask a question after a very complex briefing and Mallet used to reel off the whole operational plan including dates names numbers places coordinates. I asked him why he did that and he just said "it has always served me well"
Mallet - a simple yet effective tool lol. He was and still is a great bloke. 😊
Also I am definitely going to join today.
I have been enjoying the fact you have been uploading more videos than normal. 😊
being underestimate allows the greatest victories
I mean... the problem with that is that Russ's actual behaviour throughout the HH series is not particularly bright. He's consistently biting off more than he can chew, launching impetuous attacks that his decidedly mid-strength Legion cannot actually pull off, and playing into his whole 'executioner' act completely without any particularly cunning bait-and-switch inversions. He takes horrendous casualties in the attack on Prospero despite a) Magnus letting it happen and b) the support of the Sisters and the Custodes; he needs the Lion to save his backside from the Alpha Legion; he hares off on a dumb assassination attempt on Horus that not only fails, but destroys most of the remains of his legion and leaves him entirely absent for the siege of Terra.
Acting the fool while secretly being wise only works if you know when it's time to drop the act. Russ either doesn't, or is in fact a fool despite his intellect.
How I see the Nemiel incident is that it reinforces El'Jonson's pragmatic ruthlessness. What is more important, obeying the edict or surviving? The Emperor is not there and there is new information that changes the situation. Nemiel should've followed the direct order and let the primarch deal with whatever the fallout is with Big E.
I liked Nemiel and was hoping he would survive the Heresy but at that moment, he was jeopardizing the entire fleet and duty of the Dark Angels that while it is very regrettable, it is understandable why the Lion had to do it and I like that it played a big part in why he has changed now as it haunts him.
Yeah I recently read the story where the lion did this, with the pre knowledge of what happens. After listening to the passage, I was 💯 on board with what the lion did. Namiel was warned so many times before the attack, he chose his fate, and the lion took the pragmatic approach at the time and dealt with the consequences after. Sometimes You have to make the hard decisions to get to the destination.
Nemiel was a cool character. I hate he died in the book but he really asked for it. I mean, let’s not get it twisted. My man LE’J has a BAD temper. He should have known better. Plus it’s idiotic to just die and not help the Emperor survive based on a pre Heresy decision E made.
Nemiel went full Karen...
Gotta comment something, this amount of passion (completely devoid of bias or cope) needs any boost i can give it in the algorythm.
As a defender of the position that Loyalist EC are the best legion, im taking notes from this livestream as to how to defend my take.
The way you know the DA are the GOAT Legion is because all of their most famous victories are considered inconsequential to them. Anything they consider important is kept secret, even from themselves. It’s likely that all knowledge of many of their greatest achievements died with the last veteran who was there, because none of them ever told a soul.
They also are apparently completely unbothered by the Lovecraftian Jawas who follow them around and have somehow become their personal sword caddies.
The dark angels are my favorite legion loyalty is it's own reward
Loyal?? They have attacked and killed the custodians in the emperor's palace , killed and abandoned countless actually loyal soldiers and Marines allowing their destruction to pursue the hint of fallen. Killed many loyal people who found their "shame"...there are renegade chapters far far more loyal than them.
News flash EVERY chapter had traitors most went oh those traitors idiots yeah we hunted them down and killed them not it's my secret shame rubbish 😂.
My first army was Dark Angels which I started in 1994 at age 11 (2nd edition). I'm 41 and they are still there in their own carry case, waiting patiently for me to expand them out into a modern 10th edition force. Much of it consists of the old, heavy metal models which we don't see a lot of anymore, and there's some bits which I got from GW mail order like my terminator captain. Can you even get these things anymore?
Ebay might still have some Dark Vengeance pieces around which make a beautiful core for First Born.
Just wait til Russ comes back with Odin-level prescience. Honestly can't wait to see him team up with Lion as a couple old wise dudes and just totally own chaos.
Everyone gets a cigarette and some aviators
Your content is like a breath of fresh air. Or more like really nostalgic air. Between you and Auspex it's so close to the reality of how I discovered WH40k a decade ago.. A friend of a friend rambling about something he's passionate about and sounds cool and a board game guy who knew I hate board games so convinced I'd like the universe he explained it anyway.
I mean the above only positively. In a world of content creators and tiktok stars genuine passion is an invaluable currency to us pushing 30.
They didn't exist at the time but I imagine the palpable awkwardness of saying JoyToy out-loud several times within a minute would have been very similar
I like how everyone takes Alpharius' version of the meeting between him and the Lion during the Ragdan as gospel while ignoring the Lion's account in a story by Chris Wraight.
Well it's because alpharius is such a trustworthy fella
Alpharius: "Trust me bro".
I even say this as someone who really likes Head of the Hydra.
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It’ll never cease to make me laugh how many people will blindly trust everything the Alpha Legion says and does. The legion whose main form of operation is deceit.
The alpha legion wear very small hats
Having this many uploads this close together from you is AMAZING! For a while now I've looked forward to your uploads even more than luetin09's and that's saying something! Love it! Thanks SO MUCH man! ❤
We Dark Angels *ARE THAT DUDE!*
*FOR THE LION*
Huron Blackheart is the 2nd most powerful chaos demon _because_ he was an ultramarine. He understood the assignment when he fell to chaos and was very efficient.
He's no Daemon, he's just another chaos corrupted Astartes. You have to be elevated to a Daemon Prince to achieve Daemonhood which very rarely happens.
@@quigonlynn1 Yeah, I know that, I don't even know why I called him a demon, honestly. I think I meant to say "lord" but then thought "Chaos" and then "daemon" which autocorrects to "demon" on my keyboard. I'd edit it but it got hearted. Ah well.
I’m absolutely loving these daily streams. Great content as always keep up the sterling work
Just awsome sandman can't wait for Titus tomorrow!!
Where is Titus!?
I think the Fallen issue when it comes to 40k boils down to those Fallen who were deceived by Luther and his inner circle more likely to gravitate towards the Lion while those who were complicit and/or loyal to Luther (most seem to have fallen to Chaos) will remain Fallen and join Luther.
Also, there's a reason why the Dark Angels has one of their monikers, in addition to being the Uncrowned Princes, as being called "The First". They're the first in everything they do.
Mint! This was my brother’s favourite legion!! Thanks for the upload!
I fully understand that this is your genuine belief, based on lots of evidence in the lore, but in terms of content I'd love to see you try to put yourself in the mindset of doing a stream like this for each of the legions and their primarchs. Just something I'd enjoy watching, personally.
Love this. Lionel Johnson is absolutely amazing.
I have a theory that cypher is parts of the lion shorn of in his duel with Luther.
His youth etc.
Its why he has the lions sword.
Because he IS the lion, or at least parts of.
Heck yeah an hour and a half of sandman when I have some mowing to do!! Today is my day!!
Okay, you've convinced me. I'm in.
Love the passion.
9:00 The funniest thing about "Lion being an asshole" is that yes, it is true. But that only makes him more like the Emperor. He really is the Primarch most similar to his father.
As always sandman, awesome
You said the word "joytoy" and my ignorant ass imagined a primarch standing on the corner on jig jig street in cyberpunk or arguing with the leader of the mox about joining the mox as a joytoy. 😂.40k in cyberpunk, never thought I needed to see this mod until now xD.
Ave Brother Sandman. You honor us by setting aside time during our glorious season of celebrations! My thanks to you and your family for the sacrifices you all are making for the glory of the Imperium.
It's funny almost from the beginning when I started in 40k I loved the Dark Angels. It was so early the only art had them in the Black Armor. But it was the story of the Fallen that had always caught my attention. My first Chaos Lord was a Fallen.
I think its really fitting that during the council where Guilliman breaks the legions it wa Leman Russ who spoke for the Lion's sons.
I love your approach l
Here's why the Dark Angels are the greatest legion brought to you by the unbiased opinion of a massive Dark Angles fan.
I hope in the new books there will be some good time spent on Raldoron and Azkaellon, plus the other surviving major Blood Angels captains. Raldoron is one of my favorite HH characters. I also hope the Raven Guard crew gets some more time too, the brothers Nev, and other RG commanders, plus Corvus! And of course, Sigismund :)
I think Zahariel likely swaps with the Nemean to become Epimetheus at some unknown point, as hinted at in Pandorax. The Nemean may then become Cypher and there are certainly similarities in appearance. Or maybe it’s Corswain. I love the intrigue with the DAs.
Ohhh my sweet boy Conrad getting his callouts.
Yes they are, they are the only legion to be combined arms tacticians. They are not my favorite but they deserve the credit. I love the raven guard, found a short story in Iraq inside a uso box.
Bias? There is no bias when facts are involved. May the Lion smile upon you, battle brother.
For Caliban!
For the Lion!
For the Emperor!
This is just what I need as I’m building a DA heresy army
The First are legitimately the best all around Legion. They can do just about everything that all the other Legion can perform. They were built to be the Conquers and the Destroyers. By the end of the Great Crusade they had become the Emperor's preferred legion when something had to be completely destroyed with NO record of the existence. The Emperor trusted the Lion without question above all the Brother Primarchs.
One thing I don't care about, like at all, is the fact that the dark angels were the template that everyone else come from. I get that it's a cool bit of trivia, but it just doesn't matter? They're not inherently better than the others because of it. But I get geeking out over your favorite legion, it's nice to see it.
DUDE, at 7:21 when you said that the White Scars are the best written legion I fucking threw my fist up in the air. Fuck yes that got a physical reaction out of me, GGs
I greatly enjoyed reading both White Scars books I've checked out so far, Jaghatai Khan: Warhawk of Chogoris and The Path of Heaven (which is part of the HH series). The Khan is an interesting primarch and I love the Mongols-in-space theme. Chris Wraight is a good writer who creates interesting dynamics between the characters he writes. I'll be looking forward to any new WS content.
@@marcingolab6227 Scars, the Path of Heaven and finally the Warkhawk book at the siege of terra are just masterworks. They are all so fucking chill and the way they all behave when they're with Ilya is hillarious. Plus the MASSIVE FUCKING W that Jaghatai gets on Mortarion at the end of Warhawk will never be forgotten. Biggest W that a primarch ever gotten over another
The dark angels and the lion were my favorite legion. But then I met the Khan. Now dark angels are my second favorite. We laugh as we kill
I missed the livestream but I’m here to let you all know that Sandman/Big E/Malcador/Valdor and lastly (also most importantly) WarhammerFanBri all DECLARED at the BIRTH of the Imperium that the first legion are the best….argument over lol
The lion and the dark angel are one of my top five favorite loyalist legion and primarch because of majorkill, wolf lord rho and sandman of terra. Thry got a new detachment and hope they beat the black templars because i felt that dark angel have to show who's the most powerful legion.
Ed, I believe you misspelled ‘White Scars’. Please correct your title for the Khagan 🙃
I mean, of course they are more complex, they get asstons of lore just like any focus chapter. Try being cool after having like 4 books written by Nick Kyme and having 90% of your legion killed off. Its the drip.
Have to agree with u mate thr Dark Angels and El Johnson have always been my favourite they r the most interesting chapter because they have been about so long. When the Dark Angels arrives in McCragg Guiliman was in aw of his troops. His whole story line with Curze who is my fav was goany say chaos Primarch but hee just thst evil hee not even turned. There fights are some of the best aswell na u won’t change my mind @ FOR THE LION
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Great vid! Please help, why was old caliban so seemingly suffused with chaos, mainly the beasts i think?
It was located relatively close to the Eye of Terror
Also, the lion almost killed sanguinius just to kill konrad. At the last second he realized he was being played by chaos
FOR THE LION
I’m new to the Dark Angels and currently building a 30k army. Is there a recommend reading list and order to get up to date with the lore?
Start with Descent of Angels, then Primarch novel chronologically, then move through the heresy
Thanks
Legend, thank you mate!
Totally agree. The dark angels are the rolmodel of the spacemarines.
Let me say I’m a biased DAs fan. BUT, I’m also a big Crimson Fists collector too. I’m a Dorn fan but I really don’t understand why he is thought to be so great compared to the top primarchs. The defense of Terra was a failure. Perturabo broke Dorn’s defenses. Then after the Heresy, he was soundly beaten by Perturabo again at the Iron Cage. Sanguinius, Guilliman, and Lion’s plan worked. That’s what pushed Horus to bring E into his ship. Dorn’s defenses being broken also played a roll in E’s decision to take Horus’s bait and board his ship. Dorn’s awesome, but he’s not near top of the list. I think I’m being fairly unbiased. I mean, I love Konrad Curze but I definitely admit if he’s not last in line he’s very close. 😂
As for the Dark Angels, I really don’t even think it’s debatable that Heresy Dark Angels are the absolute cream of the crop. 40K Dark Angels……😬 I love the 40K DA characters but…yeah. The DAs and SWs kinda swapped. 30k wolves are numb skulls among numb skulls. Just blithering idiots. The 40K Wolves are actually pretty good.
Oh, and my head cannon is the Star Phantoms are 100% Dreadwing descendants that the DAs blame for blowing up Caliban and that’s why they don’t get along. My mind will not be changed.
imagine if the lion was war master instead. "loyalty is its own reward" couldve had it but of course the emperor had to choose wrong. also didnt konrad fight robute and the lion at the same time briefly before escaping before he gets cornered by the lion. and konrads mind was deteriorating exponentially so im not quite sure how fair that fight was between him and the lion were fair, he literally looked more ghoulish than ever before because of cracked out he became, but yeah the lion is a G. konrad and the lion are my favorite primarchs because of how much their upbringings mirror each other with vastly different outcomes. if only konrad didnt crash land on that wretched planet and was raised by humans that cared for him.
It's been nearly a year since the End and the Death Part 2, it's been nearly a year since we've had any banger of a book out of Black Library, no idea what's going on there but we need some new lore desperately.
While Konrad Curze is not a great dad he's definitely not the worst out of the Primarchs.
Zahariel = 1st DA Daemon Prince. (I'm betting Nurgle) He'll be what freaks out Luther and why he's a babbling wreck in 40k. My fanboy hope is 40k Cypher is Corswain waiting for dad.
Space Sharks V.S. Dark Angels... WHO YOU GOT????
The dark angels formation mirrors a biblically accurate angel, 6 wings, an inner circle (ring) and covered in eyes (the watchers)
Top five legions:
Grey Knights
Dark Angels
Black Templars
Salamanders
Alpha Legion
Honorary Mentions :
Raven Guard and Iron Hands.
Black templars and grey knights aren't legions, they are chapters. BT came from the imperial fists legion for example
All hail the Uncrowned Princes of Caliban !
"Death Guard some of the best for siege warfare"
*sad Iron Warrior noises
Agreed. In my completely unbiased, 100% objective opinion, Dark Angels are indeed the best Legion/Chapter. Preach the Emperor's wisdom brother.
Iron Warriors best chaos.
Administratum: "Wasn't there a forge world here?"
El Jonson: "Who? Never heard of him."
Conrad correctly realize that his sons are the problem so them going away is fine.
Iv been playing Dark angels since the angels of death codex. They are the best and aways will be ..... FOR THE LION!!!!!!
I am so torn between White Scars and Dark Angels.
I know the saying goes Russ is a man pretending to be a beast and the Lion is a beast pretending to be a man but I think people really underplay him slaughtering Demons for years with his bare hands as a naked child.
No other primarch has gone through so much the second they landed other than Angron and killing the Dark Eldar wore him down so much mere humans captured him!
Great choices both!
They need to balance 40K like MTG.
Set rough power levels
Create paradoy & paradox
All the girls really care about is size, and you already known which legion was the biggest: Robert Guiltyman's as charged
Wait until johnson finds out his sons ran from battles leaving allies stranded to die just so they can get a single rumor of a traitor looked in to. Multiple times. Or the screw ups of his senior leadership, how the dark angels became self serving, there’s plenty of reasons to not like them in 40k prior to Johnson’s return.
We are the First. We are the Dark Angels. For the Lion, For the Emperor!
Well you have to listen to the big boss what else should he do when you’re underling disobeys the pride leader 😎
"post your joy--toy collection in the discord...".
I haven't started painting models yet so my first thought was, "is he talking about the hookers in Cyberpunk 2077?"
JOYTOY is an action figure brand that makes really high quality 40k figures
Sanguinius was the most loyal by far…… hello? Dying for his LOYALTY to the Emp.
The lion would've done the same. Those two are the most loyal together :)
Sanguinius wasn't loyal to the Emperor. He loved him like a child loves his parent. Russ isn't able to be disloyal on a psychological level. There are primarchs who per se weren't loyal to the Emperor , like the Raven and the Hawk , but rather to humanity or the empire . Vulkan and Ferrus made a choice to follow the Emperor, because they both decided that he is good . In both cases it allowed them both to return from death. Gulliman and the Lion are the two who think of the Emperor in terms of loyality. Only jn Gman case the lotality is based on pragmatism. He can imagine a reality without the Emperor. For the Lion such a reality does not exist.
@@piotrjeske4599 Saying Sanguinius wasn’t Loyal like this, Would have just gotten you branded a heretic….. they literally have holidays in the imperium for Sanguinius’ loyalty and death to the Emperor
I love the "wings" of DA because it represents a proper combined arms based faction. However, their look is just templars but ugly.
You’re not saying Blood Angels right.
It is okay, he just missed the word. We all know he meant the 9th, sons of THE Angel. Its human to make mistakes like that, tho brother did you notice his resemblance to Horus? HORUS!?
"THEY SPECIALIZE IN EVERYTHING"
For The Lion!!!!
I thought the Space Wolves, being the Emperors executioners, were the ones designed to kill space marines? Or did I miss a trick?
I think Dark angels are designed for killing the mechanicum, and for enemies that need utterlh destroyed in secret. The space wolves, as the executioners have to be effective at killing space marines, and other enemies, and do so "theatrically" to put it that way, so they can be seen doing it. So space wolves are bragards, in a fun way, but the best at killing space marines. Dark angels, and the lion, would be able to wipe out a lot of the enemies, including primarchs and space marines, in secret.
They are indeed! Excutioners and exterminators are different roles
@@SandmanofTerra Fair point, I know that Mr. Baldermort made a similar remark once, I think. I do rather like the Dark Angels even though I favor the Space Wolves myself.
There is something titanic, awesome and fist-clenching in saying "The First", can't deny it.
I really don't like that the broken up chapters gotnrid of so many of their unique organisation. For example the fire wing of the DA or the Karaoghlanlar of thw white scars
I’ve made the Umbral Knights as a successor of the Dark Angels, 1st legion is #1!!!
Same for my Knights of Deliverance.
For the Lion!
For the Emperor!
I am also biased of the dark angels. 1st legion is best legion.
Take a shot every time you hear " dark angels"
I thought lion was found as a child? Im not up on the lore but years ago i believe i read that?
Nah it's as I say in the video
Great stream, but honestly the killing of Nemial always put a sour taste in my mouth, and caused so much turmoil.
I get you
@ you make THE BEST lore content on YT.
No bias detected, brother.
Dark angels Number 1
Nemiel, before ascending into an Astartes along with a few others attempted, or at least plotted to kill the Emperor when he first arrived to Caliban. I wonder if Lion knew of it all along, and always had some level of contempt towards him and when he took the Emperors side over him, he lashed out and killed him.
You mean the plot in Descent of Angels?
I have to disagree with you, my good sir. Salamanders are the best legion/chapter that has ever been created
I see what they tried to do with the Salamanders and Vulkan; for whatever reason they just do nothing for me, a lot like the White Scars also.
Dark angels MVP legion
Do you have any recommendations on Dark Angels books? They are also my favorite legion. I’ve read both the Lion books (pre heresy and modern 40K) and I’m trying to find some good books for the current setting.
I would definitely recommend reading unremembered empire.its relatively far into the heresy but I think you'll be fine but mainly it gives important background to the guilliman/Lion relationship
Why Sandman says Dark Angels are the best? Because he forgot about Blood Angels.
If Dorn oes enter the Scouring changed, maybe he'll be a less incredibly boring character.
You should 1v1 chapter master valrak
Not my fav chapter ( always the Grey Knights due to mainly Nathaniel Garro 😊❤), however I absolutly love everything Dark Angels!
I liked them better when they were red and black.
Russ is a coward, only el Johnson & Rogal are 100% loyal.
Johnson was peerless with his dedication to the emperor without question & Rogal proved he could see past brotherhood when facing alpharious/omegon with not a quiver in his objective.
Russ the baby pulled his punch at the last moment for pitiful bs... cowardly . Russ deserves to stay "lost