The reason that the connection boxes don’t need to be metal yet is so that they can do another amendment and make more money selling the updated regs books etc.
its only switchgear containment that requires metal/non conbustible material. All our other junction boxes around the house are plastic, so 1 big one with multiple joints will be no different.
Using grey for live seems to be a thing with that style of connector; TE Connectivity use grey for their fused modular terminal blocks (I think one of the designs also comes in orange). Although the connector blocks do have brown available, along with blue, green/yellow, black, red, etc.
Wet Belt LOL Ive done a few, You do know Ford recommend changing the engine not the belt. There are 2 belts the "cam belt" and the "oil pump" belt make sure you have both done and the sealer takes 24hours to cure before the engine is run again, I have also had 1 transit die a week later and had to strip the engine down in front of a warranty engineer to find no reason what so ever for the engine to explode (the belt was still timed and intact). So this is a warning for Ford / Peugeot/ Citroen with wet belts those belts are supposed to be "life of the vehicle" but they are not have them changed 60k max. If you look though the oil filler hole that on some wet belt engines you can see the belt if its fluffy its to late. I know this comment is not electrical but you guys drive vans.
The bit that surprises me the most is that someone has done nice DIN rail terminations etc, but in an old CU. I could fully understand eg choc block or similar just rammed in, but to go to the extent of proper DIN terminals but with no sensible lid etc, is just mad...
Never heard the question asked about being a metal enclosure when using wago enclosures joining 2 cables together, it's the same principle as the relocation box. Regs say metal for switch gear only. That's why we don't use metal for all joint boxes. Would be a nightmare
The regulations only require metal enclosures for switchgear so consumer unit has switches in but a joint box doesn’t so can be made of plastic. But yes I would agree that through movement etc joints can become loose and pose a fire risk, however is same is true for the majority for remainder of components installed too so there is an argument to alter regulations to require fire proof enclosures for all cable joints as well as requiring spring loaded terminals to be used.
Why in this Country the fuse boards are mostly in very un-accessible place they can think of I do feel for UK sparks. Yes they should be metal boxes for sure.
Most of the time because they're old buildings which were originally built to have electrical wiring in them say sometimes the easiest places in cupboards new builds have to have them in accessible place
Are you allowed to leave single insulation in regular trunking in the UK? Over here that's only considered acceptable if the trunking can't be opened without using tools. I've had the occasional argument over that because sparks just love to hide choc blocks in trunking.
How far do you go metal enclosers , wispa box are plastic , dryline boxes are plastic, surface mount boxes are plastic, plastic trucking and conduit are fire risk if that have accessories install in them particularly dado trucking . Are potential fire risk with arcing. We torq the terminal in a CU to prevent arcing, should be start torquing all terminals in sockets , switches ect. A side not does your work comply with fire regs, are you using plastic plugs with screw , metal screw conduct heat , the heat with melt the plastic plug causing what ever it fixing to collapse. It's down to the skill of the sparks . I rate you as a very skill full sparks, because your work attitude you always do the best job you can possibly do.
Yes completely agree a relocation box with that many circuits in has the potential to seriously overheat or catch fire they should be the same as consumer units and be metal or fireproof.
Perhaps the logic behind not requiring a joint box to be made of metal is due to loading on a common connection? A loose screw on a 100a main switch for example. Obviously the same amount if current is flowing through the junction box in total, but through each individual din rail joiner you'll only have 16a or 32a. I'm sure it'd still burn up a treat but that's my guess - and it is a guess!
I want to see an overengineered wago relocation box. Deepest part has spring terminals, and then two separate screw terminals for the wire. With a visual indicator for overheating - some sort of color changing dye on the terminals to show they've ever gotten hot. If noone gonna make it, I'm gonna.
@@Hoops-Senior Might be easier to make it a separate product, just slap it across the cables with a big brush. Seeing as the wago installations are competent enough on their own.
They already exist in all existing electrical products, this is not a new idea. When they get hot, they go a darker colour, with a smoky surround. A little bit of time after that, they start melting the surrounding plastic enclosure, then a little time after that, they catch fire to tell you that there is a problem.
Great run in review, I demoed a Z900 last week and found the throttle really snatchy, so may just be what you are use to. I also found the grips a bit small for my liking. Also for some reason made my hips ache, maybe just needed setting up better. Still love the bike though and you got the best colour.❤
Have to be careful with DIN rail clip on terminals, they will fit upside down, which creates the possibility of 2 terminals side by side with no side insulation between them.
To my knowledge it’s should be continuous, but in some circumstances, like this, running, a new cable would be pretty much impossible without destroying half the house, so by putting A through crimp on and making sure the reading is below 0.04 I would deem it acceptable 👍
The reason the relocation box doesn’t need to be metal in my opinion is because if anything comes loose, its only touching plastic since everything in the box is plastic unlike a fuseboard which is metal
I think the regs talk about metal if circuits are switched within otherwise plastic is fine. I believe metal CUs are supposed to reduce the spread of fire.
You have close to 100k subs. Your NOT a small beer TH-camr. Ask Artisan who their Milawakee contact is. You should get your pack out boxes for free - just for the free advertising Milawakee get if you use their stuff.
The reason that the connection boxes don’t need to be metal yet is so that they can do another amendment and make more money selling the updated regs books etc.
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The regs are going to get updated anyway
yes and change the colour of the book
Is this the one due before the one where they go back to a new fire rated plastic CU enclosure? 😂
The reason they are plastic is to match the plastic trunking that will be banned in future regs book !
You should carry around your own LED corn bulb to replace any incandesant, so you don't burn yourself! Both BC and ES capped for all situations.
its only switchgear containment that requires metal/non conbustible material. All our other junction boxes around the house are plastic, so 1 big one with multiple joints will be no different.
Using grey for live seems to be a thing with that style of connector; TE Connectivity use grey for their fused modular terminal blocks (I think one of the designs also comes in orange). Although the connector blocks do have brown available, along with blue, green/yellow, black, red, etc.
Wet Belt LOL Ive done a few, You do know Ford recommend changing the engine not the belt. There are 2 belts the "cam belt" and the "oil pump" belt make sure you have both done and the sealer takes 24hours to cure before the engine is run again, I have also had 1 transit die a week later and had to strip the engine down in front of a warranty engineer to find no reason what so ever for the engine to explode (the belt was still timed and intact). So this is a warning for Ford / Peugeot/ Citroen with wet belts those belts are supposed to be "life of the vehicle" but they are not have them changed 60k max. If you look though the oil filler hole that on some wet belt engines you can see the belt if its fluffy its to late. I know this comment is not electrical but you guys drive vans.
They know. Hence why it’s being changed
The bit that surprises me the most is that someone has done nice DIN rail terminations etc, but in an old CU. I could fully understand eg choc block or similar just rammed in, but to go to the extent of proper DIN terminals but with no sensible lid etc, is just mad...
Never heard the question asked about being a metal enclosure when using wago enclosures joining 2 cables together, it's the same principle as the relocation box. Regs say metal for switch gear only. That's why we don't use metal for all joint boxes. Would be a nightmare
The regulations only require metal enclosures for switchgear so consumer unit has switches in but a joint box doesn’t so can be made of plastic. But yes I would agree that through movement etc joints can become loose and pose a fire risk, however is same is true for the majority for remainder of components installed too so there is an argument to alter regulations to require fire proof enclosures for all cable joints as well as requiring spring loaded terminals to be used.
Why in this Country the fuse boards are mostly in very un-accessible place they can think of I do feel for UK sparks. Yes they should be metal boxes for sure.
agreed. nonsense locations every time.
Most of the time because they're old buildings which were originally built to have electrical wiring in them say sometimes the easiest places in cupboards new builds have to have them in accessible place
Are you allowed to leave single insulation in regular trunking in the UK? Over here that's only considered acceptable if the trunking can't be opened without using tools. I've had the occasional argument over that because sparks just love to hide choc blocks in trunking.
How far do you go metal enclosers , wispa box are plastic , dryline boxes are plastic, surface mount boxes are plastic, plastic trucking and conduit are fire risk if that have accessories install in them particularly dado trucking . Are potential fire risk with arcing. We torq the terminal in a CU to prevent arcing, should be start torquing all terminals in sockets , switches ect. A side not does your work comply with fire regs, are you using plastic plugs with screw , metal screw conduct heat , the heat with melt the plastic plug causing what ever it fixing to collapse. It's down to the skill of the sparks . I rate you as a very skill full sparks, because your work attitude you always do the best job you can possibly do.
So with your reasoning shower switches should be metal too?
if it's earth bonded correctly and there's a good RCBO/GFI then heck yeah.
Yes completely agree a relocation box with that many circuits in has the potential to seriously overheat or catch fire they should be the same as consumer units and be metal or fireproof.
Just seen the price on the wiska relocation kit 🙈
£70? free. Basically free.
@@dimitar4y £80 odd in some place
@@Davidhughes9467 ye basically free.
@@dimitar4y what?
@@Davidhughes9467 b a s i c a l l y f r e e
Perhaps the logic behind not requiring a joint box to be made of metal is due to loading on a common connection? A loose screw on a 100a main switch for example. Obviously the same amount if current is flowing through the junction box in total, but through each individual din rail joiner you'll only have 16a or 32a. I'm sure it'd still burn up a treat but that's my guess - and it is a guess!
Just asking to get your tools nicked from the truck.........worth checking with your tool insurance.
I want to see an overengineered wago relocation box. Deepest part has spring terminals, and then two separate screw terminals for the wire. With a visual indicator for overheating - some sort of color changing dye on the terminals to show they've ever gotten hot. If noone gonna make it, I'm gonna.
I like the idea of thermally sensitive colours. I build control cabinets etc. using quite a lot of DIN rail and that would be a really useful feature.
@@Hoops-Senior Might be easier to make it a separate product, just slap it across the cables with a big brush. Seeing as the wago installations are competent enough on their own.
They already exist in all existing electrical products, this is not a new idea.
When they get hot, they go a darker colour, with a smoky surround. A little bit of time after that, they start melting the surrounding plastic enclosure, then a little time after that, they catch fire to tell you that there is a problem.
I so prefer the Packout over seas vs the stateside offering. The black is such a smarter look than the all red. Which is quite ostentatious.
Great clean up on wiring,
I have a Mitsubishi l200 truck with pull out draws, and I can confirm it ain't a van!!
Can't wait to replace it!!
no fire protection too
Great run in review, I demoed a Z900 last week and found the throttle really snatchy, so may just be what you are use to. I also found the grips a bit small for my liking. Also for some reason made my hips ache, maybe just needed setting up better.
Still love the bike though and you got the best colour.❤
Have to be careful with DIN rail clip on terminals, they will fit upside down, which creates the possibility of 2 terminals side by side with no side insulation between them.
I've done this
And just to add the wago through box is self extinguishing in the event of a fire.
See dinosaurs do exist.
3:00 😆
It’s nothing more than a junction box and there not metal 👍
Shame the previous spark did'nt use one of those relocation boxes or an adaptable box instead of the old consumer unit.
Something to do with the insulation and terminals can handle certain amount of degress in regs somewhere. Also efixx got vid
Pick ups are usually for people who used to be hands on but now have a team. More a status thing
i agree re: junction box. should be metal
Thought bonding was supposed to be continuous? Plus surely, if the joint is in the trunking itself, that's not cool either?
To my knowledge it’s should be continuous, but in some circumstances, like this, running, a new cable would be pretty much impossible without destroying half the house, so by putting A through crimp on and making sure the reading is below 0.04 I would deem it acceptable 👍
@@NBundyElectrical I have seen FAR worse Nicholas, sadly on a very regular basis for the current shower I am unfortunately working for :(
I can't find a reg for this. It's just advice by the niceic I believe, it just has to be "permanently" connected.
@@leestorey18 challenge accepted! 😂🤭
@@jameshansing5396 you know what it's like with that book some regs just move when you're looking for them 🤡
Whats the truck nick make etc , and what you think to it ? Looking at the ford ranger or vw amarok
It's a ranger and the new amarok is basically a ranger built in the ford factory just a couple of VW badges basically.
I’m sure speaking to the supplier it’s a fire resistant plastic that shouldn’t ignite.
With the logic of having the extender box being metal couldn’t you not argue that every JB should be metal?
I would make it metal only above X total amps, so small or low power stuff can still be cheap and simple.
How’s beard coming on?
Tstak all the way😊
Is that big troy on your T-shirt
5 minutes in, instead of cutting the 10mm can you not just make a small Chanel out of plaster behind the back of the wago box and just run it around?
Any box joining cable should be metal( perhaps not outside in gardens etc) to Aline with the 18th edition upgrade on fuse boards
Which reg is that then?
@@glynnmorris2667 I am saying it should be as any connection if not done right could be a problem.
Ah, so it's fine to be plastic outside, but not inside? Cool.
I fit plastic cu's all the time 😂
The reason the relocation box doesn’t need to be metal in my opinion is because if anything comes loose, its only touching plastic since everything in the box is plastic unlike a fuseboard which is metal
I think the regs talk about metal if circuits are switched within otherwise plastic is fine. I believe metal CUs are supposed to reduce the spread of fire.
Won't contain a fire very well though
Will spring terminals really stand the test of time?😊
I like to think of them as reusable crimps.
Yes, better than anything else, except perhaps a crimp made with proper tools (not hand operated) and matched connectors.
This isn’t anything new…. Wago spring terminals have been used in industrial machine control cabinets for about 40 years.
What happened to the new apprentice, I think it was Ben?
Get rid of that wet belt
You have close to 100k subs. Your NOT a small beer TH-camr. Ask Artisan who their Milawakee contact is. You should get your pack out boxes for free - just for the free advertising Milawakee get if you use their stuff.
free tissue lol .....
That’s why I DIY most tradesmen not on TH-cam are crap
Yes, only good tradespeople have TH-cam channels.
Artisan for their pack out free.
What's the difference between your qualification and Adam's? Are you not equal?
Are you guys so long really :)
Your Mum works out the back of a van .... 😇
I don't think your mum is that picky.
@@yngndrw. not at her hourly rate