I hate streaming and digital. They can remove it when ever they want or like what disney did edit what they do like. But with physical you make alittle more money and you keep it forever and are never worried about losing it unless you don't take care of it lol
Or if streaming is the model they want (with continual resolution & quality upgrades to make it worth my continued subscription), then they should release ALL (at least commercially-viable) titles and KEEP them on the platform permanently!
The front covers and versions of song on album all were changed by artists like Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Billy Joel, and Madonna on second and third pressings. Sometimes for better; quite often for worse.
I never even considered the concept of streaming movies until health problems forced me to rely on others to get me to a cinema on a regular basis. Occasionally I just want to see a movie without the disc expense then if I like it but it then. Do most of my streaming on TUBI which is completely free. Nothing quite as aggravating as purchasing a HD of a movie, watching the thing once then leaving it on the shelf. 🎃
I agree with your opinion, but I have to say: For many consumers it's the other way around: - Streaming is simple: Choose what you want to watch from your couch (trailers are available!). No need to search for new movies, everything is served to you. - Flexible: You can watch on your TV, on your smartphone or your PC, whatever suits you at the moment. - Freedom: Take the movies/shows with you, all you need is an internet connection and your login data. Of course fans of physical media like us see it differently! :)
You also have to pay for internet. If for whatever reason, your internet goes down.. you are screwed. One example is "Dawn of the Dead" the original on DVD and or Blu-ray was/is difficult to get. Let's face it, eventually what will happen is Disney / Netflix / Prime will end up buying these companies & making everything new to "streaming only". Maybe Disney will even buy Netflix. (Disney now owns the streaming rights the five Marvel series that were previously Netflix only exclusive [ Jessica Jones / Punisher / Daredevil / Luke Cage / Iron Fist ] ).
I just started my blu-ray/4k collection last week and hope this will be a hobby that lasts a long long time. Just need to avoid spending a crazy amount in my first few months.
I was up to about 60 but then I had this thought: In 10 years time the best way to watch movies will be with a VR type headset, or if not, it will be on a futuristic screen that has no outlets for blu-ray players. So basically, the movies I love would be better watched not on physical media. Returning to disks for some nostalgia will be nice, but not worth collecting hundreds of movies for (for me). Although I sold off a lot of my collection, I still kept my player aswell as a few of my all time favorites. That's not to put anyone off starting or growing a collection, it's still worth doing, that was just thought process. 👍
Want something like the Monkiees box set? Two words: Mill Creek. Even though I'm sad they've moved away from the 50/100/200 grindhouse sets I like that companies like MC are picking up the slack in regards to more obscure/niche stuff.
This is fascinating information to me as I am also a collector of physical media. I wish more people were as interested in collecting movies in their best quality instead of just streaming everything
@@fortunamajor7239 I don't think that's a helpful distinction. It's easier to think of people in three major categories. Enthusiasts, consumers, and reluctants, with care, passion, and thoughtful adoration decreasing with each category. "Consumers " don't care about so much about quality as they do filling their stomachs. Hence, consumers. That's why streaming is so popular.
My main concern right now with anything own by big studios is censorship on previews titles due to the type of social climate we are currently living. One example that comes to mind is a cut scene in the re-released to disc from Toy Story 2. Or the change made by Netflix on the stream of back to The future movie. I keep my hopes that sometime we will see some of those older tv shows and movies having a physical media release again, but who knows, these are uncertain waters we are drifting into and because of this, the FOMO and OOP are more present than ever.
Heath, Im feeling the relief that there is someone sharing their thoughts and feelings and opinions on movies and the state of physical media. Its inspiring me to perhaps make a video or even a channel like this
I think eventually alot of the TV shows will go OOP permanately. Just a gut hunch. Long-term I think it'll eventually get to a point where if you don't watch it on syndicated subchannels or free streaming platforms, it'll be unavailable physically, if you don't already own it.
Especially from decade to decade as the Next Generation is born with streaming physical media will slowly go away. Where out-of-print physical video will be irrelevant
I feel like this is already noticeable with some shows. Some of the bigger ones still get releases but smaller ones don’t. And the biggest problem is that it’s those smaller ones that you might not even find on streaming platforms like you find the bigger ones. And I’m also worried that at some point studios might stop physical releases because they view the market as too niche and think that by stopping physical releases of popular shows altogether they can drive even more people into subscribing to their streaming service since that will be the only place to see those movies/shows.
@@TheCinemaniac agreed. But I think what will happen is niche shows & movies will increasingly move to boutique labels for exclusive releases for physical only. I think the major movies, like when Fast & Furious 8's extended cut was digital-only, will move to streaming/digital-only releases.
Too true ... I had to rush to get My Two Dads S2 DVD set before it went out of print a couple years ago. And because I couldn't bear to not have a physical copy of S3 to complete my collection, I had to ... acquire it through alternative means lol. Now they've got the whole series up on Peacock I think, but it's like, these streaming services will take stuff down at any time. I prefer to own my absolute favorite shows and movies rather than be completely beholden to these streaming platforms
Yeah, there are a few OOP titles where I found "unofficial" versions of them, such as Dead Alive/Braindead and Dogma. They are not available on streaming or digital at all anywhere, and the Blu Rays are long OOP so this is literally the ONLY way they are available. But with Dead Alive/Braindead, Peter Jackson has apparently been working on a 4K restoration of that movie, so if it ends up getting re-released officially on 4K, I will be more than happy to buy the official release and delete my "unnoficial" copy (but until then, this is the only way to watch it).
I have the 2-disc version of DOGMA from 2000, and if I didn't have to worry about lawsuits, I'd have it uploaded so people could download it and have it. I may not be willing to sell it, but I'd be willing to share it.
I'm so excited to see bionic man and women getting blue releases but I can't afford it but imagine gonna try to save up for them. They mean a lot to me and helped me through some hard times due to my handicap. I have a brittle bone disease and my mom was really hard and I always asked my Dr's if bionics was possible but we knew how that turned out. 😔
Thank you for your level headed view on this topic, I feel like a fair few people are just going to extremes now in the “streaming killed physical media” “physical media is dead” rallying that’s going on lately. If anything, I’m glad streaming is getting access to more libraries because then viewers have variety. If something performs really well on streaming, then methinks its a fair bet to say it’ll get either a release or re-release. Just my two cents.
A perfect example of this is the fact that the streaming show THE BOYS (from Supernatural creator Eric Kripke) has been only on Amazon, but seasons 1 and 2 just got a Blu-ray release this week. There's so much click bait out there, and ignorance too, but streaming and physical serve two different purposes. Anyone who is avoiding streaming is missing out on some great things.
@@CerealAtMidnight Agreed wholeheartedly. I'm a fan of both and both suit my needs depending on situations or just plain ol' convenience lol. Either way, I'm enjoying both formats and viewing things I never had access too when I was younger.
What you said about Sinatra-- I just recently purchased from EBay the Philadelphia Inquirer of Sunday, May 17, 1998, and on the front of it is the banner headline "Sinatra: The Man and the Memories" (which was on the front of a special 16-page remembrance section that day [which, I would imagine, is not just about the music, but the films and other things he was in]).
I believe that the comic industry shall have the same fate as CD of DVD. They will eliminate paper because it is just too expensive, distribution costs, salaries, and paper and ink cost too much money, So eventually the majority will read comics online.
It's a slightly different equation as to what appears on streaming if you live outside the US and Canada (and to a lesser extent the UK), part of why i started buying physical media is because it's often the only "legal" way of watching these titles and i don't even mean the extremely niche titles. It can sometimes be both a curse and a blessing, sometimes we get situations where Netflix streams Star Trek or Umbrella releases Megaforce on Blu-Ray for the first time in the world and other times shows like The Expanse just aren't available because it's between services for almost a year. Oh and i'm lucky enough to live in an English speaking country, I've been told it's worse for Non-English territories
Plus no extras on streaming! Docs, trailers, commentary tracks etc - even the most arbitrary old movies are sometimes packed with extras which really increase the value of a purchase. Also it's like a historical archive/document with all the extras - all gone with streaming! Plus after the next great event you can fire up the generator and still watch movies (while fighting off mutant wolves and radiation poisoning).
The statement "nothing is really gone" unfortunately is not always true..For those of us with a taste for the stuff that's truly off the radar, there are many movies that I have been waiting for, for years. Some of those movies only exist on super-crappy VHS tapes, with awful quality and missing scenes. I have a wish list of titles that I'm hoping will be brought back from obscurity..beloved movies like the Graffiti drama "Dreams Don't Die" from 1982, or "Dreams Come True," the erotic love story about Astral Projection, or the 1983 film "Scarred" about street prostitution, and "Off the Minnesota Strip" to name a few....There are so many lost films and it's sad.
Dreams Don't Die: th-cam.com/video/ChqjhPjczXs/w-d-xo.html Looks like Dreams Come True is on Troma's streaming service, Troma NOW. Off the Minnesota Strip: th-cam.com/video/WWSLyW5UKow/w-d-xo.html They aren't on disc, but they aren't lost. You can watch them and enjoy them any time you choose, you just have to know where to find them.
So depressing as a lifelong collector to see physical media fading away. I've totally panic bought some titles for a small fortune off of eBay. Can't help myself!! Lol
I think one of my concerns for hard copy is a lost cause and that's whether there's any hope of anyone restoring films that fell into public domain and now exist mostly in horrible copies whether hard copy or even streamed. I'm thinking of some very important films historically like :The Front Page" "Nothing Sacred" or "The Scarlet Pimpernel" - all from the thirties. Restoration is expensive and I fear these are lost. Meanwhile, you've reminded me to stock up on my favorite niche film before they're gone too.
I just spent 57.00 on the oop Shout Factory bluray 'The House That Screamed". Really didn't want to spend that much, but I needed it to complete my Spanish Horror collection. Physical media collecting is a bona fide addiction. You can have 99 out of 100 titles, but lacking THAT one makes you feel as if you have none of them. I've been at this since the VHS days of the 90's. I absolutely love it, but my lord is it ever expensive. Love your channel.
Trust me heroin is much more expensive. I traded a 15 year habit first for synthesizers and recording gear and when I ran out of room I started with boutique blurays. The thought process and behavior is exactly the same as drug addiction. It also doesn't help that I live 5 minutes up the road from Vinegar Syndrome. It's like a heroin addict living next door to a poppy field.
@@night_speed You're absolutely correct. I've had my issues with alcohol over the years. It's EXACTLY the same. It would be a major issue if I lived that close to Vinegar Syndrome. I both envy you and pity you. Lol. I live near Orbit DVD in Asheville, and let's just say that it's problematic. I hate it so much...it's awesome!
I'm STILL waiting for the *theatrical* cuts of Amadeus and Dances With Wolves on Blu-ray (or whatever high-res format). All they have are the drawn-out director's cuts. Same with my holy grail, the theatrical cuts of the Star Wars original trilogy (although I have my "Harmy's" to get me by for now).
I think the battle is over between streaming services and cable but what you said about DVDs is patently incorrect. When you said that a DVD only sells 10,000 copies I thought that was pretty strange because a lot of people collect movies. I went and looked at last year's numbers and the top selling DVDs. Sold close to 700,000 copies and made over 15 million. There were over 100 movie and television titles that did more than a million dollars. So physical media isn't going anywhere just yet.
International movies are another niche market. I buy most Japanese and Hong Kong movies that are released on Blu in the U.S. In 10-20 years, I assume that most of those movies will be unavailable legally, especially the lesser known ones. Heck, a good chunk of the DVDs in my collection have no current availability.
Timeless media use to have some great boxsets at Walmart before getting bought out , lucked up and Grabbed M-Squad, SeaHunt & Hwy Patrol with Brodrick Crawford right before Frye's Stores started having serious troubles and started carrying nothing
I paid $40 for The Heavenly Kid a couple months ago just to find out it’s coming back in print in July lol. But hey I found The Blue Lagoon at a pawn shop a couple days ago for only $1.50 and it’s listed everywhere for atleast $100!
Yes! I just got The Heavenly Kid to review. A lot of those Scorpion titles are coming back with new distribution from MVD, who is also rescuing Scream/Shout Factory titles that go out of print. Kino Lorber is rescuing things from staying out of print, too.
@@chriscecil3555 OK. I saw it on Amazon, I wasn’t sure if that was the same one or you were talking about for the release. With the exchange rate I’ll have to pay $47. But it seems to have a lot of great bonus features, and was a favorite when I was younger. Definitely gonna be a pick up 👍🏻
I remember when Netflix had all these nostalgic shows and obscure stuff. It was awesome. Now streaming is just new releases or popular releases. Can't really watch those old nostalgic obscure stuff.
This is a constant struggle with me and I'm not very savvy to the game. I can spend maybe $50 a month on movies (it doesn't really work out that way, but averages) and there's way too much to choose from. This is compounded by the fact that I'm really bad at budgeting credit card and usually set my entertainment budget aside in cash and spend it until it's gone. The sad side of that is that my collection has more recent blockbusters (though ones I like) than they would actually represent of my favorites. Then, I do panic buy for a Kino sale or something and the credit card bill is out of hand. The perfect place for me are the multiple conventions I go to each year where I can physically look at the boutique label titles, talk to the seller who does know the game, and pay cash. But I'm not really complaining. These are first-world problems and I can live with them. Even the OOP stuff is out there if you're patient and willing enough.
Sometimes they don't come back I have bought expensive limited boxed sets and they haven't been back. Most are by boutique labels. FOMO is natural if you're a fan of cult and obscure releases as these companies have gotten the bad habit of selling them on limited quantities. Now that some big studios have bought others what's going to happen? Are the catalogs going to be shelved? I don't care for streaming I am a physical media collector and I am worried that tons of movies will be off the market. Good topic and cool video Heath!👍
I don't think it's gonna be a huge problem. There are numerous boutique labels stepping in to pick up the slack. Labels like Eureka, Kino Lorber, Shout! and numerous others are distributing older and assorted OOP titles. Also sometimes the Studios will release more obscure or OOP titles in box sets - eg I have Niagara in an 8-film Marilyn Monroe box set, and some of those titles are hard to get too. Australian label [Imprint] is releasing many never-before-released and OOP titles, in runs of of 1500-2000 units for the collectors editions and print more if they're really successful.
So I bite bullet and signed up Hulu for one reason X Files Blu-ray was so expensive to buy as collector After 3 episodes watching I regret my decision as multiple commercials and even paying extra for faster home internet I kept losing my internet and having to start over and fast forward to where I left off over and over again. Holding a disc in my hand is so worth it to me over streaming. I refuse to get HBO For streaming only
Props for mentioning M SQUAD, one of my all-time favorite series. I've had the crappy Timeless DVD set for, I dunno, 10 years? And watched each episode at least twice, most probably 3x. Lee Marvin was the man. One thing you don't get into (not complaining, you wanted to keep it short) is restoration; M SQUAD is at best "OK" looking, but many episodes are very close to unwatchable. Nobody's likely to put any money into rejuvenating a 117-episode TV series though unless it's STAR TREK level of popularity. And the same goes for all those old movies that don't have big stars, didn't win awards, weren't big at the box office, or aren't in currently-marketable genres (film noir and horror being the two that will always sell). There are loads of 40s-50s 2nd-tier musicals, adventure films (Arabian Nights type stuff, pirate films in particular), and westerns that just aren't available except in abysmal copies - and I for one will look for "other" ways to see this stuff if my only other way is to buy an Alpha Video. So if the market for us collectors continues to slowly contract, or even just stays about the same, I don't see much chance for many of these titles to get brought back to real life. You can see them, but it'll be like 15th-generation VHS dupes. And I'm afraid I see this as even less likely in the mostly-streaming world we've entered into. And as someone else mentions, with streaming the owner can just cut the title out at any time, and then we're left with nothing unless we find it in other ways. If we own a physical copy, it's ours forever.
A year or so ago, I asked one of my sources in the restoration field if they thought those old Timeless Media Group releases and other, similar fifties television shows were ever going to get a restoration, possibly with crowdfunding. He told me no, that ship sailed 20 years ago or more, and now it's very unlikely to ever happen because 1) the film elements are in bad shape or are lost, 2) the audience for those shows is very small now, and 3) the return on an investment to restore them simply isn't there. I know some of those shows had to be completed using fan-sourced 16mm prints from private collectors because that was all that survived! It looks like you and I will probably be stuck with our M Squad DVDs with nothing better coming along. But hey, at least we get to watch it!
@@CerealAtMidnight Hey thanks for the reply. This is pretty much what I figured but having confirmation helps. Sigh. One more reason for me to get really rich so I can fund my own non-commercial restorations.
I make a point of collecting every thing that Lee Marvin was in. Such as his great bad guy starring roles in Untouchables. I bought a season of Wagon train for a great Lee Marvin performance. bought a season of Virginian for one episode of Lee Marvin. And yeah I got that set of M squad as well. Long live best tough guy of all, Lee Marvin.
@@hawkspeak8592 That's hardcore. I guess I'm not that obsessive about any actor - close with Randolph Scott, but a lot of his early work is totally unavailable or only in really crappy PD discs or on TH-cam. But I have just about all of his postwar westerns that have decent-quality releases.
A good expansion on this video would be most interesting obscure movies that don't fit into any popular genre and are in print. I've never heard of Double Door.
I watched The Last Picture Show on The Criterion Channel last week, loved it so much I wanted to buy the blu ray disc. No luck, out of print as a single title only, but it is available in the 6 disc collection for only $99.66 sale, "America Lost and Found: The BBS Story," at the Criterion Collection web site. But I ain't paying a hundred bucks just to get the one I really want.
I understand every purchase is a personal judgment call, but I just want to say that that Criterion set has four legitimately great movies - pantheon-level, stone-cold classics - in the aforementioned LPS, Easy Rider, Five Easy Pieces and King of Marvin Gardens, plus the fascinating Monkees movie “Head.”
Something tells me that the German X-Files set, which was re-released at the start of 2021, is probably selling way more copies to those of us in the UK and US than it is in Germany itself. I actually discovered the UK set had disappeared in September 2020, just as I was finally in a position to pick it up, so I ended up splashing out on The Twilight Zone instead. And then The X-Files was suddenly back on the radar in January this year when I heard about the German set going cheap. And they all look fantastic - especially now they're on the shelf! Not sure there's a moral there other than be patient and don't worry unduly when things disappear. There's usually another option somewhere. And let's be honest, as collectors are we ever short of something else to watch?
Right! I had done my research and it looks like as of summer 2021, the stacked discs were replaced with individual cases for each season after so many people complained. So I SHOULD have the 11-case set coming, since this is one year later. If not, I'l just have to make peace with it.
@@CerealAtMidnight Ah. I thought the stacked disc version was in place of the 11 case set I got in January. Confused now... Oh well. I'll cross my fingers for you. The less stacked discs in circulation the better!
I think netflix is doing the same. They still haven't released Stranger Things Season 3 on physical media and no words on if they will for season 4. Same with Amazon and Ms. Maisel. It feels like they'd rather only have us watch it on their streaming service >_
The FOX rights situation worries me a bit because now we don’t know if we’ll ever get an official good release of True Lies on blu ray or not. I have the laserdisc for True Lies which looks really good. That might just have to be the best way to watch that movie.
I was looking to see if True Lies was in 4K and was surprised to see it’s not even on Blu-ray. Pretty surprised considering it’s one of Arnold’s top grossing movies. Still hard to believe they never made a sequel.
I ordered a Blu-ray of True Lies off Amazon. It is an import from Spain. Picture is sharp and DTS sound rocked the house. DEFINITELY worth getting if you love that movie like I do. It’s better than the DVD and laserdisc (which I still have). Already watched it twice. And you can show it off...”look what I got”
@@joefan82 I suppose 9/11 scrapped that idea even though a sequel really should have happened within 5 years. Arnold did Batman & Robin in 1997 then had heart surgery so it might not have been something he could have done at that time anyway. End of Days in 1999 was a bit calmer physically on him I’m sure.
@@MikeSmith-rh5gc I was aware of that but I always forget it has that release but thanks for the tip. What region is it though just from curiosity. A region lock wouldn’t bother me though.
I was happy when Shout Factory announced a blu ray release of Tattoo and was disappointed when it was pulled. Also, I think Nicolas Roeg's films have been really neglected as far as physical releases go. I waited 50 years for a decent Beatles' Let It Be and was finally rewarded with Get Back. I hope the July 12th release doesn't come with issues. I still want the original film, though. Yes, The Monkees! It would have been more fun to own when the other 3 were still alive.
One thing I've learned from businesses I've worked for is that what we may think of as a lot of money they think of as pennies and they are not in it to chase pennies. And they are almost always chasing the New. I see that Kino are releasing a lot of titles that Shout previously released and went out of print. I do wonder what happens when the Kino titles go OOP. Seems like they might be the last physical stop for many films.
Streaming is where the big $$ is now. However, Physical Media will endure as long as there is an audience to buy them. I'd much rather have a favorite movie on BR than stream it. A premium streaming service, such as Hulu, Netflix will only have movies for a certain amount of time. Once your favorite Tv show is removed from the Streaming services, You Can't find it..... Anywhere! DVD and Blu Ray disc, once you own it, it's Yours for a Long time!
What is in print may be inferior like cd-r's or poorly produced photos. Try to buy second hand. Companies typically keep stuff in print if they can turn a profit. A catalog title still has costs including warehouse fees. When Concord bought the Fantasy catalog which included Stax, Specialty, Riverside, Prestige, and Contemporary labels, they never repressed most stuff. Going by how little deep catalog sells even on Discogs that was a niche market.
Kino Lorber sometimes re-release many MGM titles, such as SPACEBALLS, THE LONG GOODBYE, THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE, and THE FORTUNE COOKIE, A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM, and LIFE STINKS.
I just picked up a few DVDs that don't have blu-ray editions, & a few where the blus are OOP & going for $35+ on eBay. There have been quite a few blus lately that I've found are out of print & going for oodles on eBay. You never know if you should wait. Sometimes they go back in print, or another company puts it out. I discovered Disturbing Behavior is OOP, & was debating just forking over the cash for it, then found out MVD Rewind is releasing a blu-ray soon. I'm still kicking myself for missing out on the Tank Girl blu-ray. I won't pay $70+ for a blu-ray that's not a limited edition box set or something along those lines. Then there are the movies that we've never & will never get on blu-ray, hell, some not even DVD. If I know one of my favorite movies is owned by Disney, I let go of my hope for a release. Past Buena Vista & Touchstone titles don't seem to be coming to blu-ray. We've seen what happens when 20th Century gets the Disney 4K treatment. Disney has all the money & capabilities to give us everything we want, but they won't. That was never more evident than on the 75th Anniversary of Snow White, when they gave us yet another blu-ray instead of a 4K. I didn't care about that one, but now we're getting repeat blu-rays of movies I have been waiting on 4Ks of, like The Emperor's New Groove. 😒 Sorry, I just realized I got a bit off topic. 😳
I recently bought the 4K One Piece Film Red. Only available on 1 UK site. When they sell out, that's likely it. No physical 4K version of it available in the US. Japan also has a 4K release but with no subs (or dub if you care). Basically bought it because I wanted the movie and knew this was my only chance to get it. Heck, no one even did a 4K comparison to the blu-ray or did a review specifically for the 4K version. Won't be doing it often though.
I found a Copy of Nigara At Big Lots for $5. But it was weird, there was no shrink wrap and the sticker was directly on the case. The disc was still inside and looked fine. The price sticker was different than the usual Big Lots tag, it was all white and was wider than it was tall.
Last year I regrettably chose to sell on Ebay a couple of rare anime and Tokusatsu Blu Ray collections. I did get several hundred for them, and was able to recently repurchase one collection for. About half what I sold it for last year. But I am patient. I don't expect the 2 I am now missing to be rereleased any time soon, but I keep looking online for a good deal. Pretty much all the Toho sci Fi films that are related to Godzilla ( but don't have Godzilla in them) are long OOP. While Toho in Japan may be slowly releasing Blu Rays still, I don't expect any US distributor to pick them up any time soon. Toho is known to be difficult to work with, especially after the Criterion Godzilla box set was so limited in terms of extras, and many dubs that most fans were familiar with were omitted.
Which rare anime did you sell? I had that same regret when I gave away my first three volumes of the red river manga. I missed out on buying birdy the mighty decode and no company has rereleased it yet. I fear it may be stuck under Aniplex of america's thumb with darker than black.
@@yunogasai1338 I sold the 3 volumes of Dairugger XV from Media Blasters ( which I just got back thankfully). I also sold the Space Runaway Ideon Blu Ray set from Maiden Japan. Getting that one back is going to be tough.
@@brandonandcharlene9527 Dang! You weren't kidding! I will say a lot of maiden japan titles fly under the radar for me. I'm always keeping an eye out for older titles from discotek. They recently got street sharks on blu ray and project A ko is now in a complete set. It gives me hope for more obscure titles. I'm still mad I missed out on getting corpse party tortured souls. I love the games too.
@@yunogasai1338 yeah I've been fortunate to keep up on all the discotek stuff as they have been releasing a lot of great Super Robot and mecha series. I think most are still available, but not all.
I sure hope you're right about Fox. Robert Altman's film version of MASH is in my top five list of films I would love to see on 4K (or at least an improved Blu-ray transfer). I also think it's excellent advice that everyone should decide for themselves how much to spend on releases. I don't mind paying more for something I really want. But I use my own criteria to decide how much I want to spend and ignore many of the ridiculous prices on eBay.
At least over here (Ireland), Alien is very easy to get, we constantly get new stock of it in work! Predator, dvd box set out there, no individuals, blu ray every now and then and 4K available readily! Our classics section and horror is probably our best selling product constantly… mostly dvd too! 📀
Disney has a responsibility to restore many of their 20th century fox movie back catalog that are culturally reliant and movie history. Fight club on 4k should have come out years ago. Planet of the Apes, Alien, & the x-files are all properties they could be making new movies or tv episodes and restoring and distributing new 4K restorations on physical media. If they can’t get excited about their own movie back catalog and are making zero effort to do anything with their fox catalog, how is anyone supposed to love it on their streaming platform when they are omitting a revenue stream because they are too cheap or lazy to print up new disc or spend the money to make 4K restorations versions of culturally significant and beloved movies from the past 50 -100 years. Of course people stop buying stuff they bought one of the world biggest film companies of the past 100 years and are choosing to keep,it out of print and off the shelf and intentionally shrinking the physical media market. They owe their shareholders and the movie loving public everything from Marilyn Monroe, Paul Newman, John Ford,John Wayne movies, to fight club,Alien,planet of the Apes.etc
Yeah but do you actually want to see Disney restore these films? I can’t even remember the last Disney disc I bought that was good quality let alone that be a 4K disc.
Pfffft - since Disney bought Fox they've been utterly uninterested in 4K-ing anything other than the stuff Fox had ready to go at time of sale, but lately they've given us nothing and they're not planning on it for the foreseeable future
As i have said many times i have several different large collections i am a physical media person and there are a lot more of us out here then they say i get what you're saying its all about the bottom line and discs dont make the money they used to and the funny thing is the streaming service with the best old titles are like pluto and tubi not even the big companies. And i get what you're saying about buying stuff just to do it but like you also said a lot of this stuff wont be back around so when you find them i would buy them if reasonable i do. I own checkmate and riverboat also and im 22 thats why i think its good not to just sterotype and oh this young fans dont known these old obscure 50s movies thats pretty much my whole collection i get i maybe a rarer case but you do see it. Love your channel and you're topics great job Heath.
Just when I decide to take a break from youtube, you post this great content. Glad I bought my copy of "The Girl Most Likely To" before it's gone forever.
I wanted to own all Terrence Malick films on bluray but Days of Heaven was out of print and i refused to pay the $200 people were asking for the criterion on eBay. Then one day last year they rereleased it on bluray (not criterion) and I got it for $20. Days of Heaven is pretty obscure so you never know what will be released again.
Just recently purchased 2 seasons of a show called Dollhouse on Blu-Ray with Eliza dushku that originally aired on Fox. I would like to see another series that originally aired on Fox called Dark Angel with Jessica Alba come to blue ray. Unfortunately all I am finding is a DVD set that is now out of print and starting to climb in price. Hopefully one day.............
This is the way I see it as long as records are in high demand then dvds and Blu-ray’s will be around too. I’m not big on really old movies, but it seems like some of my favorite movies, and shows goes back, and forth on being in print, and out of print.
ClassicFlix just retired 11 titles, their MGM movies and the complete series of It’s About Time are going away and The Little Rascals vol. 1 is going away too. I picked up all but It’s About Time, which sold out before I could get my hands on it. They put out some pretty obscure stuff so I don’t know if they’ll ever be released again. Maybe Kino Lorber will pick them up?
I kinda doubt Kino will put those MGM titles out, but you never know! If they were costly to keep in print from ClassicFlix, I don't know if they'd be profitable for anyone else, either. Glad you got them all before they're gone!
I liked something that Films at Home's latest podcast guest brought up. The streaming companies are spending $$$ to remaster obscure titles to beef up their libraries, but once the master is done, it's a lot more likely to be put on disc. It'll really come down to if they see streaming as the end all or if it will go hand in hand with disc sales.
I have been trying to find a PBS documentary that aired around '80/'81 and was in two parts about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. All I remember was part two was called 'Change Partners', they both were really good and featured interviews with Hermes Pan and other choreographers. I would love to be able to find the two part documentary and add it to my collection.
Those are so obscure, you probably will never be able to buy them on a disc, but you'll be able to watch them online somewhere. They were called: Fred Astaire: Puttin' on his Top Hat (Part 1) Fred Astaire: Change Partners and Dance (Part 2) They may be on TH-cam somewhere. Good luck!
@@CerealAtMidnight I know they are, but they are great and should be released even if it's DVD. Thanks for the response, I'm impressed that you know of them though. If you every stumble across them online, I'd appreciate it if you mentioned it on your channel since I subscribe. I'll keep looking otherwise. Thanks.
@@zacharysaid3485 Awe man I’ve found a few out of print things there. And Streetlight records. One that comes to mind is Secrets of Isis. Messed up title now but it’s a old filmation show that’s hella money now. Got it for 13 bucks at the time I got it. Yourself?
Agreed. Now I'm wondering what series or movies will never get a blu ray. I've been hoping animal planets the most extreme or prehistoric planet(the one that played on discovery kids) would but no dice. I found out my Jurassic park dvd is censored so I'm hoping to get a blu ray copy without that issue.
As we all know James Caan just passed away (RIP) and I've read a few articles saying Thief is one of his standouts. Only problem in Australia it's out of print, its not on any streaming services and you can't rent it on TH-cam either. Wondering whether it's worth picking up on Ebay.
I try to be very controlled in my collecting. Only things that are special to me. I know longer feel the need to have everything (though I have twinges). Absolutely right, pay what it's worth to you. I'd add that you should only pay money you have to spend. The kids have to be fed, the rent paid, bills taken care of. Then you have money to play with. I did go a bit nuts with getting the Criterion Collection OOP for Days of Heaven. I had been slowly adding CC versions of Terence Malick films slowly and Days of Heaven was going to be next when BAM out of print it went. Eventually I broke down and paid quite a lot for one. But I'm very happy. It's an amazing transfer and has great supplemental materials and the extra money I paid for it will fade from memory.
I don't trust Disney always making the right calls. So funny enough, next year I will reluctantly join their DVD movie club. I bought a few finds on Ebay, but I'm at that point I need a good members looks over. They do sell Fox as much as their old catalog. I do recommend everyone to comb through Big Lots and various Dollar Store movie selections. I bought last year Niagara for 5 bucks at Big Lots. Had no idea it's getting hard to find.
Physical media collection is my hobby. I didn’t buy VHS tapes as I knew DVD was in the works for years, and laserdisc just hadn’t taken off, as most titles weren’t available. DVD had been delayed by lawsuits and finally in the late 90’s we were spending $ 1,600 for a quality DVD player. Hence the collecting began. Problem now is those DVD’s were sold and originally touted to last for 100 years, or decades. Well, I store them in a cool dark protected spot, yet oxidation has destroyed discs that look flawless. Now Blu-ray appears more robust, but I have 4k Blu-ray’s already starting to fail. I don’t like digital media as we don’t own anything, but standard Blu-ray is looking like the best option for long term. So we’ll see how long they print discs,as hopefully us diehard collectors will keep the party going!
Heath you mentioned the Monkees! I owned the DVD release of the complete series. Then they had a limited edition of a Blu-Ray set. It sold and sold quickly for hundreds of dollars. Obviously, people wanted this but why a limited release?
They totally misjudged the market. A limited edition set that's only 8 Blu-rays and costs $200 plus shipping? Not to mention the packaging that was arriving damaged? They really missed it. Since that limited edition set is now almost sold out, I hope WB/Rhino gets a regular, non-limited edition in print during 2023 at a reasonable price. People would bay $75, but not more.
* IF * Sen. Hawley’s copyright bill were to become law and everything older than 56 years ago all goes into the public domain at once, that’s going to be a major game changer. If even it turns out that all we get is no more extensions to the current copyright law, that’s still going to be a big deal. I’d be interested to see how the big studios handle owning master tapes of titles any Tom, Dick or Harry could legally release? Would they be more willing to work with boutiques than they are now? Would they sell the master tapes off?
It's an interesting time. Stuff from the early1930s is slipping into the public domain, but the studios still retain the original materials. So anyone COULD release those public domain titles, but to get them restored, they'll have to work with the studios to get the best quality. Companies like Universal seem to be embracing these times with open arms. Others, not so much!
Hey guys New to the channel. I listened to you on Jeff's films at home and loved your interview. I just started collecting again myself up to almost 750 movie's but here's where I'm different and get back lash on things. I won't just buy to buy the movie and have it. I will only buy movies I grow up on or if I'll watch it more than once. And of course what my wife like A.K.A (HORROR) what I'm having a hard time finding is Robot Jox for a decent price $80 to $100 for a bluray is crazy. I just wonder why some movie's are more important than others!
Out of print titles as why I love my local video store. If I need to see something that is an insane price I could always go in and rent it until it's released at a reasonable price
Awesome! I'd love to know what you thought about Double Door. Such an odd movie: part stage play, part horror, part thriller, part romance...kind of indefinable.
Awesome video! I remember almost buying the light up box set of the Interstellar soundtrack by Hans zimmer for several hundred dollars but couldn’t bring myself to do it, all I wanted the expanded score, then the two disc version came out in 2019 I think it was. Got it. I just wanted the music. As with these “limited editions” or “exclusives”, I just want the movie, maybe some special features and a good transfer, sure a box set is a perk but where’s it going to sit when I get it?
Another great video Heath! As some other people were mentioning I'm a bit worried for the future of TV releases. Especially cartoons, those are my jam. Very few get completed even on DVD and very very few get Blu-Rays.
I just think it all feeds into the dystopian future "You will own nothing and you will be happy". Everything is turning into a service with a recurring monthly fee whether it be software or streaming services. Companies love that recurring income. There are several TV series / dramas I would love to own the blu ray version of but no, it is only available as a rental or at best a download, or DVD for the first season only. So frustrating.
They should have marketed Double Door as part of the Universal Horror Library. And if they didn't have the rights to market it that way, sadly it probably wasn't worth their effort to release it from a business perspective. Many of those Universal owned Paramount titles ended up on Universal Horror DVD box sets back in the day, so if rights to certain phrases weren't an issue for Kino, it certainly is something that Universal already does. But sadly there are still some Universal/Paramount horror titles that never received any home media releases on any format.
Maybe in the long term, movies like Double Door will find their audience. What Universal/Paramount horror titles still need a Blu-ray? With that Kino deal, anything is possible, especially if they know what we want!
@@CerealAtMidnight These are just the Paramount ones, which I don't believe ever got a VHS, DVD release, anything. Daughter of the Dragon 1931 Murder By The Clock 1931 Terror Aboard 1933 Menace 1934 The Witching Hour 1934 Among The Living 1941 The Man in Half Moon Street 1945 The Unseen 1945
@@CerealAtMidnight Thank you! I'll also pull some of the Universal proper films as well. I have a Word Doc, but haven't updated it in a while, so it'll just take me a while to comb thru it.
I started collecting with blu ray's nearly a decade ago now and theres a ton of stuff that's not on blu ray, I do collect DVDs and VHSs on occasion but its mostly childhood cartoons and show I couldn't otherwise get on blu ray. That being said there is alot of stuff on blu ray and blu ray is my primary collection so I'd like to have blu ray of whatever I buy. If theres something I really want on blu ray and it's not its only a matter of time weither it gets put out on blu ray or I just cave in and buy the dvd if I just want it right away. Theres 10s of thousands of movies on tons of different formats so theres gonna be a chance to find what you're looking for (it being on your preferred format is a different argument) the secondary market from thrift stores, pawn shops garage sales, online like Ebay. the opportunity it have access to physical media isnt going anywhere anytime soon, depending on what you want it may take a while to find or a lot of money so unless there's a movies buring event we'll have access to tons and tons of second hand movies even if newer physical media slows down in production. It also baffles me how much people just throw away I mean even if you can get money for it at least donate it to a thrift shop, but then of course if it sits on the shelf to long thrift stores will recycle it. I think the amount of physical media that's been produced in the last 30 to 40 years itll be another century before we really see a massive decline in physical media availability as hardcore collectors will keep their collections till they die and install that same mentality onto their children though I think hardcore collectors are the exception and the majority of media viewers are very casual. Things will be bought, held onto, resold or discarded we just hope future generations have the same value to preserve it as we did and I dont think there will be a lack of that cause preserving history is entrenched in American values.
Vinegar Syndrome titles are numbered and go out of print quickly depending n what the title is and how many they printed. Last weekend I finally bought the Tiger Claws trilogy because it was down to 100 copies left and who knows if and when that would have been brought back to print in such a fine edition.
Streaming service subscription and physical movie sales are not interchangeable numbers. The latter is a sure sale, while subscription is for many many movies watched per month, from a bigass server that eats power 24/7, using the global network for traffic it was never really intended for... i would go even as far as saying streaming may have brought some convenience... maybe... but otherwise, the sales/overall money flow considering everything, garbage manufacturing levels, whatever might be the exact same.
Hey Cereal At Midnight can you please explain to me why Family Guy Seasons 18 19 20 and 21 haven't been released on DVD yet or at all and when will they come out on DVD
Any advice on how to start a campaign to get official releases for 'Abbey' (70's blaxploitation horror flick), 'The Hour Before the Dawn' (Veronica Lake ), and 'Get Christie Love' (television series)? Thanks!
Heath, around 1:42 you say "people think there's a war between streaming and digital". I think you mean "streaming and physical". :-) The OOP and FOMO issue is a big one and I have many things to say about it but I'll keep it short as possible (and fail): I do worry about the Fox situation and every Fox title I own has an added gravitas because of Disney owning the library now - Disney, the big Hollywood studio that is less committed than any other studio to physical media - but what can you do. I guess time will tell what happens to Fox on physical media. As to the obscure stuff, I would argue this: was the obscure niche stuff EVER popular on physical media? I mean, did it sell in the millions in the VHS era? I don't think so. I think if anything, in the current collector's market the niche stuff has better chances of being releases than just plain vanilla mainstream stuff. There's a TON of mainstream movies across all decades but especially from the 80's upwards that have never even seen a blu ray release. Those are the titles that fall by the wayside, becuase they used to be distributed by the big studios, and they're not anymore. Sure, Kino sometimes puts out this stuff, but Kino is more focused on older or cult titles. But as you say, it's never really gone, you can always find something if you really wanna watch it, we're only talking about discs here.
Oh no! Good catch. Too late to fix now, but hopefully people can interpret what I meant! And yeah, I know what you mean, the obscure stuff was always obscure on disc. Back in the heyday of DVD, even the obscure stuff stood a better chance of getting a release than it does now, and I think that window is closing fast, if it's not already closed. Those are the only things I feel FOMO about.
@@CerealAtMidnight Why don't we start a new label called Obscura? You know that's where you're going, Heath, to have your own label. You know that, right? :-)
I hate streaming and digital. They can remove it when ever they want or like what disney did edit what they do like. But with physical you make alittle more money and you keep it forever and are never worried about losing it unless you don't take care of it lol
Just like the Simpsons 😞
Very true, Hulu removed an episode of The Golden Girls over a joke, it's a bad sign and people should care before it's too late.
Or if streaming is the model they want (with continual resolution & quality upgrades to make it worth my continued subscription), then they should release ALL (at least commercially-viable) titles and KEEP them on the platform permanently!
The front covers and versions of song on album all were changed by artists like Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Billy Joel, and Madonna on second and third pressings. Sometimes for better; quite often for worse.
I never even considered the concept of streaming movies until health problems forced me to rely on others to get me to a cinema on a regular basis. Occasionally I just want to see a movie without the disc expense then if I like it but it then.
Do most of my streaming on TUBI which is completely free. Nothing quite as aggravating as purchasing a HD of a movie, watching the thing once then leaving it on the shelf. 🎃
Physical media = Simplicity, flexibility, freedom.
Streaming = complicated, controlled, limits.
Both are good but I prefer physical for my favorites.
I agree with your opinion, but I have to say: For many consumers it's the other way around:
- Streaming is simple: Choose what you want to watch from your couch (trailers are available!). No need to search for new movies, everything is served to you.
- Flexible: You can watch on your TV, on your smartphone or your PC, whatever suits you at the moment.
- Freedom: Take the movies/shows with you, all you need is an internet connection and your login data.
Of course fans of physical media like us see it differently! :)
@@bened22 You don't get special feautures with streaming part from maybe disney plus and the xray thing with Amazon prime but they dont really count
You also have to pay for internet. If for whatever reason, your internet goes down.. you are screwed. One example is "Dawn of the Dead" the original on DVD and or Blu-ray was/is difficult to get. Let's face it, eventually what will happen is Disney / Netflix / Prime will end up buying these companies & making everything new to "streaming only". Maybe Disney will even buy Netflix. (Disney now owns the streaming rights the five Marvel series that were previously Netflix only exclusive [ Jessica Jones / Punisher / Daredevil / Luke Cage / Iron Fist ] ).
That's why I love Vinegar Syndrome. Always digging up the most obscure shlock from the 70s and 80s and giving them a hi def or even a 4k release.
And Disney can't even get a blu ray of Dragonslayer out there. Although that just showed up on Paramount Plus of all places at least
I had never heard of them until a couple years ago when they released RAD on 4K. Now I have around 30 titles from them.
I just started my blu-ray/4k collection last week and hope this will be a hobby that lasts a long long time. Just need to avoid spending a crazy amount in my first few months.
It's been a year, how is your collection looking now?
I was up to about 60 but then I had this thought: In 10 years time the best way to watch movies will be with a VR type headset, or if not, it will be on a futuristic screen that has no outlets for blu-ray players. So basically, the movies I love would be better watched not on physical media. Returning to disks for some nostalgia will be nice, but not worth collecting hundreds of movies for (for me). Although I sold off a lot of my collection, I still kept my player aswell as a few of my all time favorites.
That's not to put anyone off starting or growing a collection, it's still worth doing, that was just thought process. 👍
Want something like the Monkiees box set? Two words: Mill Creek. Even though I'm sad they've moved away from the 50/100/200 grindhouse sets I like that companies like MC are picking up the slack in regards to more obscure/niche stuff.
This is fascinating information to me as I am also a collector of physical media. I wish more people were as interested in collecting movies in their best quality instead of just streaming everything
Consumers don't care about quality. They care about satiating the need to consume.
@@cbalan777 you should say 'the average consumer' bc a consumer is anyone who buys anything, including serious physical medial collectors
@@fortunamajor7239 I don't think that's a helpful distinction. It's easier to think of people in three major categories. Enthusiasts, consumers, and reluctants, with care, passion, and thoughtful adoration decreasing with each category. "Consumers " don't care about so much about quality as they do filling their stomachs. Hence, consumers. That's why streaming is so popular.
My main concern right now with anything own by big studios is censorship on previews titles due to the type of social climate we are currently living. One example that comes to mind is a cut scene in the re-released to disc from Toy Story 2. Or the change made by Netflix on the stream of back to The future movie. I keep my hopes that sometime we will see some of those older tv shows and movies having a physical media release again, but who knows, these are uncertain waters we are drifting into and because of this, the FOMO and OOP are more present than ever.
That I can find toy story 2 is only cencered on Disney plus not physical media
@@thetoythief8940 What was taken out?
@@Ron2600_ post-credits sequence edited for an inappropriate scene
@@thetoythief8940 newer releases are edited. Just depends what year.
@@excitebike64 Alright I can believe that
I wish Disney would put out at least some of Shirley Temple films on bluray, there's only a couple on bluray that Kino put out. Maybe someday 🤞
I love physical media.
Heath, Im feeling the relief that there is someone sharing their thoughts and feelings and opinions on movies and the state of physical media. Its inspiring me to perhaps make a video or even a channel like this
Thanks, and best of luck to you on getting your own voice out there!
Great you keep talking about the physical media quite often. You find always something interesting to say.
I think eventually alot of the TV shows will go OOP permanately. Just a gut hunch. Long-term I think it'll eventually get to a point where if you don't watch it on syndicated subchannels or free streaming platforms, it'll be unavailable physically, if you don't already own it.
Especially from decade to decade as the Next Generation is born with streaming physical media will slowly go away. Where out-of-print physical video will be irrelevant
I feel like this is already noticeable with some shows. Some of the bigger ones still get releases but smaller ones don’t. And the biggest problem is that it’s those smaller ones that you might not even find on streaming platforms like you find the bigger ones. And I’m also worried that at some point studios might stop physical releases because they view the market as too niche and think that by stopping physical releases of popular shows altogether they can drive even more people into subscribing to their streaming service since that will be the only place to see those movies/shows.
@@TheCinemaniac agreed. But I think what will happen is niche shows & movies will increasingly move to boutique labels for exclusive releases for physical only. I think the major movies, like when Fast & Furious 8's extended cut was digital-only, will move to streaming/digital-only releases.
That's why I buy obscure TV shows on DVD whenever I find them at Wal-Mart or something. Because you never know.
Too true ... I had to rush to get My Two Dads S2 DVD set before it went out of print a couple years ago. And because I couldn't bear to not have a physical copy of S3 to complete my collection, I had to ... acquire it through alternative means lol. Now they've got the whole series up on Peacock I think, but it's like, these streaming services will take stuff down at any time.
I prefer to own my absolute favorite shows and movies rather than be completely beholden to these streaming platforms
Yeah, there are a few OOP titles where I found "unofficial" versions of them, such as Dead Alive/Braindead and Dogma. They are not available on streaming or digital at all anywhere, and the Blu Rays are long OOP so this is literally the ONLY way they are available. But with Dead Alive/Braindead, Peter Jackson has apparently been working on a 4K restoration of that movie, so if it ends up getting re-released officially on 4K, I will be more than happy to buy the official release and delete my "unnoficial" copy (but until then, this is the only way to watch it).
I have the 2-disc version of DOGMA from 2000, and if I didn't have to worry about lawsuits, I'd have it uploaded so people could download it and have it. I may not be willing to sell it, but I'd be willing to share it.
When I found out Dogma was out of print I was so shocked ... I was lucky enough to find my copy at goodwill for like $2 a decade ago.
Rumour has it the TH-cam upload of Dogma is approved by Kevin Smith himself.
I'm so excited to see bionic man and women getting blue releases but I can't afford it but imagine gonna try to save up for them. They mean a lot to me and helped me through some hard times due to my handicap. I have a brittle bone disease and my mom was really hard and I always asked my Dr's if bionics was possible but we knew how that turned out. 😔
Thank you for your level headed view on this topic, I feel like a fair few people are just going to extremes now in the “streaming killed physical media” “physical media is dead” rallying that’s going on lately. If anything, I’m glad streaming is getting access to more libraries because then viewers have variety. If something performs really well on streaming, then methinks its a fair bet to say it’ll get either a release or re-release. Just my two cents.
A perfect example of this is the fact that the streaming show THE BOYS (from Supernatural creator Eric Kripke) has been only on Amazon, but seasons 1 and 2 just got a Blu-ray release this week. There's so much click bait out there, and ignorance too, but streaming and physical serve two different purposes. Anyone who is avoiding streaming is missing out on some great things.
@@CerealAtMidnight Agreed wholeheartedly. I'm a fan of both and both suit my needs depending on situations or just plain ol' convenience lol. Either way, I'm enjoying both formats and viewing things I never had access too when I was younger.
Hi, Physical media shall be with us around along time. Physical media is special like vinyl and CD.
Physical media will survive long after streaming is over. It may not be in print, but what is out there will outlive any digital streaming service
What you said about Sinatra-- I just recently purchased from EBay the Philadelphia Inquirer of Sunday, May 17, 1998, and on the front of it is the banner headline "Sinatra: The Man and the Memories" (which was on the front of a special 16-page remembrance section that day [which, I would imagine, is not just about the music, but the films and other things he was in]).
I believe that the comic industry shall have the same fate as CD of DVD. They will eliminate paper because it is just too expensive, distribution costs, salaries, and paper and ink cost too much money, So eventually the majority will read comics online.
It's a slightly different equation as to what appears on streaming if you live outside the US and Canada (and to a lesser extent the UK), part of why i started buying physical media is because it's often the only "legal" way of watching these titles and i don't even mean the extremely niche titles.
It can sometimes be both a curse and a blessing, sometimes we get situations where Netflix streams Star Trek or Umbrella releases Megaforce on Blu-Ray for the first time in the world and other times shows like The Expanse just aren't available because it's between services for almost a year.
Oh and i'm lucky enough to live in an English speaking country, I've been told it's worse for Non-English territories
Plus no extras on streaming! Docs, trailers, commentary tracks etc - even the most arbitrary old movies are sometimes packed with extras which really increase the value of a purchase. Also it's like a historical archive/document with all the extras - all gone with streaming! Plus after the next great event you can fire up the generator and still watch movies (while fighting off mutant wolves and radiation poisoning).
The statement "nothing is really gone" unfortunately is not always true..For those of us with a taste for the stuff that's truly off the radar, there are many movies that I have been waiting for, for years. Some of those movies only exist on super-crappy VHS tapes, with awful quality and missing scenes. I have a wish list of titles that I'm hoping will be brought back from obscurity..beloved movies like the Graffiti drama "Dreams Don't Die" from 1982, or "Dreams Come True," the erotic love story about Astral Projection, or the 1983 film "Scarred" about street prostitution, and "Off the Minnesota Strip" to name a few....There are so many lost films and it's sad.
Dreams Don't Die: th-cam.com/video/ChqjhPjczXs/w-d-xo.html
Looks like Dreams Come True is on Troma's streaming service, Troma NOW.
Off the Minnesota Strip: th-cam.com/video/WWSLyW5UKow/w-d-xo.html
They aren't on disc, but they aren't lost. You can watch them and enjoy them any time you choose, you just have to know where to find them.
So depressing as a lifelong collector to see physical media fading away. I've totally panic bought some titles for a small fortune off of eBay. Can't help myself!! Lol
I think one of my concerns for hard copy is a lost cause and that's whether there's any hope of anyone restoring films that fell into public domain and now exist mostly in horrible copies whether hard copy or even streamed. I'm thinking of some very important films historically like :The Front Page" "Nothing Sacred" or "The Scarlet Pimpernel" - all from the thirties. Restoration is expensive and I fear these are lost. Meanwhile, you've reminded me to stock up on my favorite niche film before they're gone too.
I just spent 57.00 on the oop Shout Factory bluray 'The House That Screamed". Really didn't want to spend that much, but I needed it to complete my Spanish Horror collection. Physical media collecting is a bona fide addiction. You can have 99 out of 100 titles, but lacking THAT one makes you feel as if you have none of them. I've been at this since the VHS days of the 90's. I absolutely love it, but my lord is it ever expensive.
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Trust me heroin is much more expensive. I traded a 15 year habit first for synthesizers and recording gear and when I ran out of room I started with boutique blurays. The thought process and behavior is exactly the same as drug addiction. It also doesn't help that I live 5 minutes up the road from Vinegar Syndrome. It's like a heroin addict living next door to a poppy field.
@@night_speed You're absolutely correct. I've had my issues with alcohol over the years. It's EXACTLY the same. It would be a major issue if I lived that close to Vinegar Syndrome. I both envy you and pity you. Lol.
I live near Orbit DVD in Asheville, and let's just say that it's problematic. I hate it so much...it's awesome!
I'm STILL waiting for the *theatrical* cuts of Amadeus and Dances With Wolves on Blu-ray (or whatever high-res format). All they have are the drawn-out director's cuts. Same with my holy grail, the theatrical cuts of the Star Wars original trilogy (although I have my "Harmy's" to get me by for now).
UPDATE: If you didnt see, here now in 2024 they just announced Amadeus theatrical cut release; (ironically, one week after I bought it...)
@@tmorganriley Physical release? 4K only?
I'm so glad that I picked up many of Marilyn's movies, including Niagara, on blu ray a few years ago when they showed up at Big Lots, of all places.
I think the battle is over between streaming services and cable but what you said about DVDs is patently incorrect. When you said that a DVD only sells 10,000 copies I thought that was pretty strange because a lot of people collect movies. I went and looked at last year's numbers and the top selling DVDs. Sold close to 700,000 copies and made over 15 million. There were over 100 movie and television titles that did more than a million dollars. So physical media isn't going anywhere just yet.
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International movies are another niche market. I buy most Japanese and Hong Kong movies that are released on Blu in the U.S. In 10-20 years, I assume that most of those movies will be unavailable legally, especially the lesser known ones. Heck, a good chunk of the DVDs in my collection have no current availability.
Your channel is such a good thing for escaping the crap that is going on in our country right now. Thanks!
Timeless media use to have some great boxsets at Walmart before getting bought out , lucked up and Grabbed M-Squad, SeaHunt & Hwy Patrol with Brodrick Crawford right before Frye's Stores started having serious troubles and started carrying nothing
I paid $40 for The Heavenly Kid a couple months ago just to find out it’s coming back in print in July lol. But hey I found The Blue Lagoon at a pawn shop a couple days ago for only $1.50 and it’s listed everywhere for atleast $100!
Yes! I just got The Heavenly Kid to review. A lot of those Scorpion titles are coming back with new distribution from MVD, who is also rescuing Scream/Shout Factory titles that go out of print. Kino Lorber is rescuing things from staying out of print, too.
Where did you see the heavenly kid?
@@DW3010 I bought my copy on eBay. But it just got re-released yesterday.
@@chriscecil3555 OK. I saw it on Amazon, I wasn’t sure if that was the same one or you were talking about for the release. With the exchange rate I’ll have to pay $47. But it seems to have a lot of great bonus features, and was a favorite when I was younger. Definitely gonna be a pick up 👍🏻
@@dustbin5044 the blu ray is uncensored too.
Streaming never has anything I would actually want to see. Physical media is the only thing that makes watching many hidden gems possible
I remember when Netflix had all these nostalgic shows and obscure stuff. It was awesome. Now streaming is just new releases or popular releases. Can't really watch those old nostalgic obscure stuff.
@@CameronKiesser When Netflix was just a DVD rental service, their catalog was huge.
This is a constant struggle with me and I'm not very savvy to the game. I can spend maybe $50 a month on movies (it doesn't really work out that way, but averages) and there's way too much to choose from. This is compounded by the fact that I'm really bad at budgeting credit card and usually set my entertainment budget aside in cash and spend it until it's gone. The sad side of that is that my collection has more recent blockbusters (though ones I like) than they would actually represent of my favorites. Then, I do panic buy for a Kino sale or something and the credit card bill is out of hand. The perfect place for me are the multiple conventions I go to each year where I can physically look at the boutique label titles, talk to the seller who does know the game, and pay cash. But I'm not really complaining. These are first-world problems and I can live with them. Even the OOP stuff is out there if you're patient and willing enough.
Sometimes they don't come back I have bought expensive limited boxed sets and they haven't been back. Most are by boutique labels. FOMO is natural if you're a fan of cult and obscure releases as these companies have gotten the bad habit of selling them on limited quantities. Now that some big studios have bought others what's going to happen? Are the catalogs going to be shelved? I don't care for streaming I am a physical media collector and I am worried that tons of movies will be off the market. Good topic and cool video Heath!👍
I don't think it's gonna be a huge problem. There are numerous boutique labels stepping in to pick up the slack.
Labels like Eureka, Kino Lorber, Shout! and numerous others are distributing older and assorted OOP titles.
Also sometimes the Studios will release more obscure or OOP titles in box sets - eg I have Niagara in an 8-film Marilyn Monroe box set, and some of those titles are hard to get too.
Australian label [Imprint] is releasing many never-before-released and OOP titles, in runs of of 1500-2000 units for the collectors editions and print more if they're really successful.
So I bite bullet and signed up Hulu for one reason X Files Blu-ray was so expensive to buy as collector After 3 episodes watching I regret my decision as multiple commercials and even paying extra for faster home internet I kept losing my internet and having to start over and fast forward to where I left off over and over again. Holding a disc in my hand is so worth it to me over streaming. I refuse to get HBO For streaming only
Props for mentioning M SQUAD, one of my all-time favorite series. I've had the crappy Timeless DVD set for, I dunno, 10 years? And watched each episode at least twice, most probably 3x. Lee Marvin was the man.
One thing you don't get into (not complaining, you wanted to keep it short) is restoration; M SQUAD is at best "OK" looking, but many episodes are very close to unwatchable. Nobody's likely to put any money into rejuvenating a 117-episode TV series though unless it's STAR TREK level of popularity. And the same goes for all those old movies that don't have big stars, didn't win awards, weren't big at the box office, or aren't in currently-marketable genres (film noir and horror being the two that will always sell). There are loads of 40s-50s 2nd-tier musicals, adventure films (Arabian Nights type stuff, pirate films in particular), and westerns that just aren't available except in abysmal copies - and I for one will look for "other" ways to see this stuff if my only other way is to buy an Alpha Video. So if the market for us collectors continues to slowly contract, or even just stays about the same, I don't see much chance for many of these titles to get brought back to real life. You can see them, but it'll be like 15th-generation VHS dupes. And I'm afraid I see this as even less likely in the mostly-streaming world we've entered into.
And as someone else mentions, with streaming the owner can just cut the title out at any time, and then we're left with nothing unless we find it in other ways. If we own a physical copy, it's ours forever.
A year or so ago, I asked one of my sources in the restoration field if they thought those old Timeless Media Group releases and other, similar fifties television shows were ever going to get a restoration, possibly with crowdfunding. He told me no, that ship sailed 20 years ago or more, and now it's very unlikely to ever happen because 1) the film elements are in bad shape or are lost, 2) the audience for those shows is very small now, and 3) the return on an investment to restore them simply isn't there. I know some of those shows had to be completed using fan-sourced 16mm prints from private collectors because that was all that survived! It looks like you and I will probably be stuck with our M Squad DVDs with nothing better coming along. But hey, at least we get to watch it!
@@CerealAtMidnight Hey thanks for the reply. This is pretty much what I figured but having confirmation helps. Sigh. One more reason for me to get really rich so I can fund my own non-commercial restorations.
I make a point of collecting every thing that Lee Marvin was in. Such as his great bad guy starring roles in Untouchables. I bought a season of Wagon train for a great Lee Marvin performance. bought a season of Virginian for one episode of Lee Marvin. And yeah I got that set of M squad as well. Long live best tough guy of all, Lee Marvin.
@@hawkspeak8592 That's hardcore. I guess I'm not that obsessive about any actor - close with Randolph Scott, but a lot of his early work is totally unavailable or only in really crappy PD discs or on TH-cam. But I have just about all of his postwar westerns that have decent-quality releases.
A good expansion on this video would be most interesting obscure movies that don't fit into any popular genre and are in print. I've never heard of Double Door.
I watched The Last Picture Show on The Criterion Channel last week, loved it so much I wanted to buy the blu ray disc. No luck, out of print as a single title only, but it is available in the 6 disc collection for only $99.66 sale, "America Lost and Found: The BBS Story," at the Criterion Collection web site. But I ain't paying a hundred bucks just to get the one I really want.
I understand every purchase is a personal judgment call, but I just want to say that that Criterion set has four legitimately great movies - pantheon-level, stone-cold classics - in the aforementioned LPS, Easy Rider, Five Easy Pieces and King of Marvin Gardens, plus the fascinating Monkees movie “Head.”
Something tells me that the German X-Files set, which was re-released at the start of 2021, is probably selling way more copies to those of us in the UK and US than it is in Germany itself.
I actually discovered the UK set had disappeared in September 2020, just as I was finally in a position to pick it up, so I ended up splashing out on The Twilight Zone instead. And then The X-Files was suddenly back on the radar in January this year when I heard about the German set going cheap. And they all look fantastic - especially now they're on the shelf!
Not sure there's a moral there other than be patient and don't worry unduly when things disappear. There's usually another option somewhere. And let's be honest, as collectors are we ever short of something else to watch?
I just bought the German X-Files set! I got tired of waiting on a USA reissue. It should be here on Monday.
@@CerealAtMidnight The club keeps on growing 😀
Heard recently that the packaging has changed though, so brace for possible stacked discs.
Right! I had done my research and it looks like as of summer 2021, the stacked discs were replaced with individual cases for each season after so many people complained. So I SHOULD have the 11-case set coming, since this is one year later. If not, I'l just have to make peace with it.
@@CerealAtMidnight Ah. I thought the stacked disc version was in place of the 11 case set I got in January. Confused now...
Oh well. I'll cross my fingers for you. The less stacked discs in circulation the better!
Oh, it's out for delivery! I'll know soon.
I think netflix is doing the same. They still haven't released Stranger Things Season 3 on physical media and no words on if they will for season 4. Same with Amazon and Ms. Maisel. It feels like they'd rather only have us watch it on their streaming service >_
The FOX rights situation worries me a bit because now we don’t know if we’ll ever get an official good release of True Lies on blu ray or not. I have the laserdisc for True Lies which looks really good. That might just have to be the best way to watch that movie.
I was looking to see if True Lies was in 4K and was surprised to see it’s not even on Blu-ray. Pretty surprised considering it’s one of Arnold’s top grossing movies. Still hard to believe they never made a sequel.
I ordered a Blu-ray of True Lies off Amazon. It is an import from Spain. Picture is sharp and DTS sound rocked the house. DEFINITELY worth getting if you love that movie like I do. It’s better than the DVD and laserdisc (which I still have). Already watched it twice. And you can show it off...”look what I got”
@@joefan82 I suppose 9/11 scrapped that idea even though a sequel really should have happened within 5 years. Arnold did Batman & Robin in 1997 then had heart surgery so it might not have been something he could have done at that time anyway. End of Days in 1999 was a bit calmer physically on him I’m sure.
@@MikeSmith-rh5gc I was aware of that but I always forget it has that release but thanks for the tip. What region is it though just from curiosity. A region lock wouldn’t bother me though.
@@perryfan49 I think it said region free
I was happy when Shout Factory announced a blu ray release of Tattoo and was disappointed when it was pulled. Also, I think Nicolas Roeg's films have been really neglected as far as physical releases go. I waited 50 years for a decent Beatles' Let It Be and was finally rewarded with Get Back. I hope the July 12th release doesn't come with issues. I still want the original film, though. Yes, The Monkees! It would have been more fun to own when the other 3 were still alive.
One thing I've learned from businesses I've worked for is that what we may think of as a lot of money they think of as pennies and they are not in it to chase pennies. And they are almost always chasing the New. I see that Kino are releasing a lot of titles that Shout previously released and went out of print. I do wonder what happens when the Kino titles go OOP. Seems like they might be the last physical stop for many films.
Streaming is where the big $$ is now.
However, Physical Media will endure as long as there is an audience to buy them.
I'd much rather have a favorite movie on BR than stream it.
A premium streaming service, such as Hulu, Netflix will only have movies for a certain amount of time.
Once your favorite Tv show is removed from the Streaming services, You Can't find it..... Anywhere!
DVD and Blu Ray disc, once you own it, it's Yours for a Long time!
What is in print may be inferior like cd-r's or poorly produced photos. Try to buy second hand.
Companies typically keep stuff in print if they can turn a profit. A catalog title still has costs including warehouse fees. When Concord bought the Fantasy catalog which included Stax, Specialty, Riverside, Prestige, and Contemporary labels, they never repressed most stuff. Going by how little deep catalog sells even on Discogs that was a niche market.
Kino Lorber sometimes re-release many MGM titles, such as SPACEBALLS, THE LONG GOODBYE, THE TAKING OF PELHAM ONE TWO THREE, and THE FORTUNE COOKIE, A FUNNY THING HAPPENED ON THE WAY TO THE FORUM, and LIFE STINKS.
I just picked up a few DVDs that don't have blu-ray editions, & a few where the blus are OOP & going for $35+ on eBay. There have been quite a few blus lately that I've found are out of print & going for oodles on eBay. You never know if you should wait. Sometimes they go back in print, or another company puts it out. I discovered Disturbing Behavior is OOP, & was debating just forking over the cash for it, then found out MVD Rewind is releasing a blu-ray soon. I'm still kicking myself for missing out on the Tank Girl blu-ray. I won't pay $70+ for a blu-ray that's not a limited edition box set or something along those lines. Then there are the movies that we've never & will never get on blu-ray, hell, some not even DVD. If I know one of my favorite movies is owned by Disney, I let go of my hope for a release. Past Buena Vista & Touchstone titles don't seem to be coming to blu-ray. We've seen what happens when 20th Century gets the Disney 4K treatment. Disney has all the money & capabilities to give us everything we want, but they won't. That was never more evident than on the 75th Anniversary of Snow White, when they gave us yet another blu-ray instead of a 4K. I didn't care about that one, but now we're getting repeat blu-rays of movies I have been waiting on 4Ks of, like The Emperor's New Groove. 😒 Sorry, I just realized I got a bit off topic. 😳
I recently bought the 4K One Piece Film Red. Only available on 1 UK site. When they sell out, that's likely it. No physical 4K version of it available in the US. Japan also has a 4K release but with no subs (or dub if you care).
Basically bought it because I wanted the movie and knew this was my only chance to get it. Heck, no one even did a 4K comparison to the blu-ray or did a review specifically for the 4K version. Won't be doing it often though.
Love this channel! Thank you Heath!
I found a Copy of Nigara At Big Lots for $5. But it was weird, there was no shrink wrap and the sticker was directly on the case. The disc was still inside and looked fine. The price sticker was different than the usual Big Lots tag, it was all white and was wider than it was tall.
Kino Lorber also re-released BILLY WILDER'S THE APARTMENT on DVD and Blu-Ray!
Last year I regrettably chose to sell on Ebay a couple of rare anime and Tokusatsu Blu Ray collections. I did get several hundred for them, and was able to recently repurchase one collection for. About half what I sold it for last year. But I am patient. I don't expect the 2 I am now missing to be rereleased any time soon, but I keep looking online for a good deal. Pretty much all the Toho sci Fi films that are related to Godzilla ( but don't have Godzilla in them) are long OOP. While Toho in Japan may be slowly releasing Blu Rays still, I don't expect any US distributor to pick them up any time soon. Toho is known to be difficult to work with, especially after the Criterion Godzilla box set was so limited in terms of extras, and many dubs that most fans were familiar with were omitted.
Which rare anime did you sell? I had that same regret when I gave away my first three volumes of the red river manga. I missed out on buying birdy the mighty decode and no company has rereleased it yet. I fear it may be stuck under Aniplex of america's thumb with darker than black.
@@yunogasai1338 I sold the 3 volumes of Dairugger XV from Media Blasters ( which I just got back thankfully). I also sold the Space Runaway Ideon Blu Ray set from Maiden Japan. Getting that one back is going to be tough.
@@brandonandcharlene9527 Dang! You weren't kidding! I will say a lot of maiden japan titles fly under the radar for me. I'm always keeping an eye out for older titles from discotek. They recently got street sharks on blu ray and project A ko is now in a complete set. It gives me hope for more obscure titles. I'm still mad I missed out on getting corpse party tortured souls. I love the games too.
@@yunogasai1338 yeah I've been fortunate to keep up on all the discotek stuff as they have been releasing a lot of great Super Robot and mecha series. I think most are still available, but not all.
I sure hope you're right about Fox. Robert Altman's film version of MASH is in my top five list of films I would love to see on 4K (or at least an improved Blu-ray transfer).
I also think it's excellent advice that everyone should decide for themselves how much to spend on releases.
I don't mind paying more for something I really want. But I use my own criteria to decide how much I want to spend and ignore many of the ridiculous prices on eBay.
At least over here (Ireland), Alien is very easy to get, we constantly get new stock of it in work! Predator, dvd box set out there, no individuals, blu ray every now and then and 4K available readily! Our classics section and horror is probably our best selling product constantly… mostly dvd too! 📀
Yes, mostly DVD! It seems to really blow some people's mind that DVD is still the king. I'm glad to get the retail perspective from you, Rob.
Disney has a responsibility to restore many of their 20th century fox movie back catalog that are culturally reliant and movie history. Fight club on 4k should have come out years ago.
Planet of the Apes, Alien, & the x-files are all properties they could be making new movies or tv episodes and restoring and distributing new 4K restorations on physical media.
If they can’t get excited about their own movie back catalog and are making zero effort to do anything with their fox catalog, how is anyone supposed to love it on their streaming platform when they are omitting a revenue stream because they are too cheap or lazy to print up new disc or spend the money to make 4K restorations versions of culturally significant and beloved movies from the past 50 -100 years. Of course people stop buying stuff they bought one of the world biggest film companies of the past 100 years and are choosing to keep,it out of print and off the shelf and intentionally shrinking the physical media market.
They owe their shareholders and the movie loving public everything from Marilyn Monroe, Paul Newman, John Ford,John Wayne movies, to fight club,Alien,planet of the Apes.etc
Good luck with that,they don't even respect their catalog of movies.
Yeah but do you actually want to see Disney restore these films? I can’t even remember the last Disney disc I bought that was good quality let alone that be a 4K disc.
@@Thecatdrums3 they can lease them to other labels, but I don't see that happening.
Pfffft - since Disney bought Fox they've been utterly uninterested in 4K-ing anything other than the stuff Fox had ready to go at time of sale, but lately they've given us nothing and they're not planning on it for the foreseeable future
As i have said many times i have several different large collections i am a physical media person and there are a lot more of us out here then they say i get what you're saying its all about the bottom line and discs dont make the money they used to and the funny thing is the streaming service with the best old titles are like pluto and tubi not even the big companies. And i get what you're saying about buying stuff just to do it but like you also said a lot of this stuff wont be back around so when you find them i would buy them if reasonable i do. I own checkmate and riverboat also and im 22 thats why i think its good not to just sterotype and oh this young fans dont known these old obscure 50s movies thats pretty much my whole collection i get i maybe a rarer case but you do see it. Love your channel and you're topics great job Heath.
Pluto and Tubi aren’t exactly mom-and-pop streamers. Pluto is owned by Paramount, and Tubi by Fox.
Just when I decide to take a break from youtube, you post this great content. Glad I bought my copy of "The Girl Most Likely To" before it's gone forever.
These titles may not be available for licensing. There are companies like Wounded Bird and Mosaic who barley break even on each title on cd.
I wanted to own all Terrence Malick films on bluray but Days of Heaven was out of print and i refused to pay the $200 people were asking for the criterion on eBay.
Then one day last year they rereleased it on bluray (not criterion) and I got it for $20.
Days of Heaven is pretty obscure so you never know what will be released again.
Hope that movie is included in the kino/paramount deal.
Go to Barnes and Noble, a brick and mortar one, you can probably find a Criterion copy for MSRP. I always find OOP stuff there.
Just recently purchased 2 seasons of a show called Dollhouse on Blu-Ray with Eliza dushku that originally aired on Fox. I would like to see another series that originally aired on Fox called Dark Angel with Jessica Alba come to blue ray. Unfortunately all I am finding is a DVD set that is now out of print and starting to climb in price. Hopefully one day.............
This is the way I see it as long as records are in high demand then dvds and Blu-ray’s will be around too. I’m not big on really old movies, but it seems like some of my favorite movies, and shows goes back, and forth on being in print, and out of print.
There is plenty obscure content on TH-cam, such as Luigi Cozzi's STARCRASH, Will Vinton's THE ADVENTURES OF MARK TWAIN, and SHINING TIME STATION!
Excellent Lost Boys T Shirt. 👍
ClassicFlix just retired 11 titles, their MGM movies and the complete series of It’s About Time are going away and The Little Rascals vol. 1 is going away too. I picked up all but It’s About Time, which sold out before I could get my hands on it. They put out some pretty obscure stuff so I don’t know if they’ll ever be released again. Maybe Kino Lorber will pick them up?
I kinda doubt Kino will put those MGM titles out, but you never know! If they were costly to keep in print from ClassicFlix, I don't know if they'd be profitable for anyone else, either. Glad you got them all before they're gone!
I liked something that Films at Home's latest podcast guest brought up. The streaming companies are spending $$$ to remaster obscure titles to beef up their libraries, but once the master is done, it's a lot more likely to be put on disc. It'll really come down to if they see streaming as the end all or if it will go hand in hand with disc sales.
Good talk 👍
I have been trying to find a PBS documentary that aired around '80/'81 and was in two parts about Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. All I remember was part two was called 'Change Partners', they both were really good and featured interviews with Hermes Pan and other choreographers. I would love to be able to find the two part documentary and add it to my collection.
Those are so obscure, you probably will never be able to buy them on a disc, but you'll be able to watch them online somewhere. They were called:
Fred Astaire: Puttin' on his Top Hat (Part 1)
Fred Astaire: Change Partners and Dance (Part 2)
They may be on TH-cam somewhere. Good luck!
@@CerealAtMidnight I know they are, but they are great and should be released even if it's DVD. Thanks for the response, I'm impressed that you know of them though. If you every stumble across them online, I'd appreciate it if you mentioned it on your channel since I subscribe. I'll keep looking otherwise. Thanks.
I actually found that niagara release in a rasputin records here in california, sealed, for 7.99
Hey another rasputin fan. Sometimes you get lucky and find out if print stuff there
@@bluray76 have you found any cool oop things there? I go to rasputin like once every 3 weeks ha
@@zacharysaid3485 Awe man I’ve found a few out of print things there. And Streetlight records. One that comes to mind is Secrets of Isis. Messed up title now but it’s a old filmation show that’s hella money now. Got it for 13 bucks at the time I got it. Yourself?
I hope that I'll always be able to find the media I wanna add to my collection, someway somehow...🙏🏼💯✔️
Agreed. Now I'm wondering what series or movies will never get a blu ray. I've been hoping animal planets the most extreme or prehistoric planet(the one that played on discovery kids) would but no dice. I found out my Jurassic park dvd is censored so I'm hoping to get a blu ray copy without that issue.
As we all know James Caan just passed away (RIP) and I've read a few articles saying Thief is one of his standouts. Only problem in Australia it's out of print, its not on any streaming services and you can't rent it on TH-cam either. Wondering whether it's worth picking up on Ebay.
If you’re region free, the criterion edition is on sale right now in America, but it may kill the savings to import it.
@@CerealAtMidnight Thank you. I will have a look :)
I try to be very controlled in my collecting. Only things that are special to me. I know longer feel the need to have everything (though I have twinges). Absolutely right, pay what it's worth to you. I'd add that you should only pay money you have to spend. The kids have to be fed, the rent paid, bills taken care of. Then you have money to play with. I did go a bit nuts with getting the Criterion Collection OOP for Days of Heaven. I had been slowly adding CC versions of Terence Malick films slowly and Days of Heaven was going to be next when BAM out of print it went. Eventually I broke down and paid quite a lot for one. But I'm very happy. It's an amazing transfer and has great supplemental materials and the extra money I paid for it will fade from memory.
I don't trust Disney always making the right calls. So funny enough, next year I will reluctantly join their DVD movie club. I bought a few finds on Ebay, but I'm at that point I need a good members looks over. They do sell Fox as much as their old catalog.
I do recommend everyone to comb through Big Lots and various Dollar Store movie selections. I bought last year Niagara for 5 bucks at Big Lots. Had no idea it's getting hard to find.
Physical media collection is my hobby. I didn’t buy VHS tapes as I knew DVD was in the works for years, and laserdisc just hadn’t taken off, as most titles weren’t available. DVD had been delayed by lawsuits and finally in the late 90’s we were spending $ 1,600 for a quality DVD player. Hence the collecting began. Problem now is those DVD’s were sold and originally touted to last for 100 years, or decades. Well, I store them in a cool dark protected spot, yet oxidation has destroyed discs that look flawless. Now Blu-ray appears more robust, but I have 4k Blu-ray’s already starting to fail. I don’t like digital media as we don’t own anything, but standard Blu-ray is looking like the best option for long term. So we’ll see how long they print discs,as hopefully us diehard collectors will keep the party going!
Reminds me of Tom Noonan scene from Heat. Its all just flying around through the air, you just gotta know how to grab it.
Heath you mentioned the Monkees! I owned the DVD release of the complete series. Then they had a limited edition of a Blu-Ray set. It sold and sold quickly for hundreds of dollars. Obviously, people wanted this but why a limited release?
They totally misjudged the market. A limited edition set that's only 8 Blu-rays and costs $200 plus shipping? Not to mention the packaging that was arriving damaged? They really missed it. Since that limited edition set is now almost sold out, I hope WB/Rhino gets a regular, non-limited edition in print during 2023 at a reasonable price. People would bay $75, but not more.
Saw this with a couple movies recently. Lucas, which is a fairly obscure 80's teen movie is going for $200+ on ebay.
* IF * Sen. Hawley’s copyright bill were to become law and everything older than 56 years ago all goes into the public domain at once, that’s going to be a major game changer. If even it turns out that all we get is no more extensions to the current copyright law, that’s still going to be a big deal. I’d be interested to see how the big studios handle owning master tapes of titles any Tom, Dick or Harry could legally release? Would they be more willing to work with boutiques than they are now? Would they sell the master tapes off?
It's an interesting time. Stuff from the early1930s is slipping into the public domain, but the studios still retain the original materials. So anyone COULD release those public domain titles, but to get them restored, they'll have to work with the studios to get the best quality. Companies like Universal seem to be embracing these times with open arms. Others, not so much!
Hey guys New to the channel. I listened to you on Jeff's films at home and loved your interview. I just started collecting again myself up to almost 750 movie's but here's where I'm different and get back lash on things. I won't just buy to buy the movie and have it. I will only buy movies I grow up on or if I'll watch it more than once. And of course what my wife like A.K.A (HORROR) what I'm having a hard time finding is Robot Jox for a decent price $80 to $100 for a bluray is crazy. I just wonder why some movie's are more important than others!
Out of print titles as why I love my local video store. If I need to see something that is an insane price I could always go in and rent it until it's released at a reasonable price
I'm glad you still have a local video store!
@@CerealAtMidnight I don't think there is one rental video store left in Stockholm.
The Cat Creeps 1946 was super obsure, and is now on blu ray. It's slow, but a good movie for a rainy night.
I bought 'Double Door' because you mentioned it but also because it is a Charles Vidor movie and I loved 'Gilda' (but every little helps, eh?)
Awesome! I'd love to know what you thought about Double Door. Such an odd movie: part stage play, part horror, part thriller, part romance...kind of indefinable.
Double Door from Kino? Pre code blu ray goodness. A good mix like you said, I enjoyed it.
Awesome video! I remember almost buying the light up box set of the Interstellar soundtrack by Hans zimmer for several hundred dollars but couldn’t bring myself to do it, all I wanted the expanded score, then the two disc version came out in 2019 I think it was. Got it. I just wanted the music. As with these “limited editions” or “exclusives”, I just want the movie, maybe some special features and a good transfer, sure a box set is a perk but where’s it going to sit when I get it?
Another great video Heath! As some other people were mentioning I'm a bit worried for the future of TV releases. Especially cartoons, those are my jam. Very few get completed even on DVD and very very few get Blu-Rays.
I just think it all feeds into the dystopian future "You will own nothing and you will be happy". Everything is turning into a service with a recurring monthly fee whether it be software or streaming services. Companies love that recurring income. There are several TV series / dramas I would love to own the blu ray version of but no, it is only available as a rental or at best a download, or DVD for the first season only. So frustrating.
They should have marketed Double Door as part of the Universal Horror Library. And if they didn't have the rights to market it that way, sadly it probably wasn't worth their effort to release it from a business perspective.
Many of those Universal owned Paramount titles ended up on Universal Horror DVD box sets back in the day, so if rights to certain phrases weren't an issue for Kino, it certainly is something that Universal already does.
But sadly there are still some Universal/Paramount horror titles that never received any home media releases on any format.
Maybe in the long term, movies like Double Door will find their audience. What Universal/Paramount horror titles still need a Blu-ray? With that Kino deal, anything is possible, especially if they know what we want!
@@CerealAtMidnight These are just the Paramount ones, which I don't believe ever got a VHS, DVD release, anything.
Daughter of the Dragon 1931
Murder By The Clock 1931
Terror Aboard 1933
Menace 1934
The Witching Hour 1934
Among The Living 1941
The Man in Half Moon Street 1945
The Unseen 1945
Excellent, thanks for the list. I will share this with my contacts.
@@CerealAtMidnight Thank you! I'll also pull some of the Universal proper films as well. I have a Word Doc, but haven't updated it in a while, so it'll just take me a while to comb thru it.
"nothing is gone" except for some of F. W. Murnau's movies like "Der Januskopf" and other lost films from that era :(
They also own the DVD distribution rights of POWER RANGERS, from MIGHTY MORPHIN' to RPM!
I started collecting with blu ray's nearly a decade ago now and theres a ton of stuff that's not on blu ray, I do collect DVDs and VHSs on occasion but its mostly childhood cartoons and show I couldn't otherwise get on blu ray.
That being said there is alot of stuff on blu ray and blu ray is my primary collection so I'd like to have blu ray of whatever I buy. If theres something I really want on blu ray and it's not its only a matter of time weither it gets put out on blu ray or I just cave in and buy the dvd if I just want it right away.
Theres 10s of thousands of movies on tons of different formats so theres gonna be a chance to find what you're looking for (it being on your preferred format is a different argument) the secondary market from thrift stores, pawn shops garage sales, online like Ebay.
the opportunity it have access to physical media isnt going anywhere anytime soon, depending on what you want it may take a while to find or a lot of money so unless there's a movies buring event we'll have access to tons and tons of second hand movies even if newer physical media slows down in production.
It also baffles me how much people just throw away I mean even if you can get money for it at least donate it to a thrift shop, but then of course if it sits on the shelf to long thrift stores will recycle it. I think the amount of physical media that's been produced in the last 30 to 40 years itll be another century before we really see a massive decline in physical media availability as hardcore collectors will keep their collections till they die and install that same mentality onto their children though I think hardcore collectors are the exception and the majority of media viewers are very casual. Things will be bought, held onto, resold or discarded we just hope future generations have the same value to preserve it as we did and I dont think there will be a lack of that cause preserving history is entrenched in American values.
I think I picked up that version of Niagara for less than $5 at Big Lots!
I saw my local supermarket have the Turning Red blu rays on the shelves as well.
Vinegar Syndrome titles are numbered and go out of print quickly depending n what the title is and how many they printed. Last weekend I finally bought the Tiger Claws trilogy because it was down to 100 copies left and who knows if and when that would have been brought back to print in such a fine edition.
That was you huh with the Tiger Claws!
Streaming service subscription and physical movie sales are not interchangeable numbers. The latter is a sure sale, while subscription is for many many movies watched per month, from a bigass server that eats power 24/7, using the global network for traffic it was never really intended for... i would go even as far as saying streaming may have brought some convenience... maybe... but otherwise, the sales/overall money flow considering everything, garbage manufacturing levels, whatever might be the exact same.
Hey Cereal At Midnight can you please explain to me why Family Guy Seasons 18 19 20 and 21 haven't been released on DVD yet or at all and when will they come out on DVD
How do you find kino lorber insider?
I hate streaming..it sucks
Agreed. Although I think it's fine, I am not going to rely on it.
The original Dallas on Blu-ray would be awesome if it wasn't super expensive. Remember when "Who shot J.R. ?" was a big event.
Any advice on how to start a campaign to get official releases for 'Abbey' (70's blaxploitation horror flick), 'The Hour Before the Dawn' (Veronica Lake ), and 'Get Christie Love' (television series)? Thanks!
Heath, around 1:42 you say "people think there's a war between streaming and digital". I think you mean "streaming and physical". :-) The OOP and FOMO issue is a big one and I have many things to say about it but I'll keep it short as possible (and fail): I do worry about the Fox situation and every Fox title I own has an added gravitas because of Disney owning the library now - Disney, the big Hollywood studio that is less committed than any other studio to physical media - but what can you do. I guess time will tell what happens to Fox on physical media. As to the obscure stuff, I would argue this: was the obscure niche stuff EVER popular on physical media? I mean, did it sell in the millions in the VHS era? I don't think so. I think if anything, in the current collector's market the niche stuff has better chances of being releases than just plain vanilla mainstream stuff. There's a TON of mainstream movies across all decades but especially from the 80's upwards that have never even seen a blu ray release. Those are the titles that fall by the wayside, becuase they used to be distributed by the big studios, and they're not anymore. Sure, Kino sometimes puts out this stuff, but Kino is more focused on older or cult titles. But as you say, it's never really gone, you can always find something if you really wanna watch it, we're only talking about discs here.
Oh no! Good catch. Too late to fix now, but hopefully people can interpret what I meant! And yeah, I know what you mean, the obscure stuff was always obscure on disc. Back in the heyday of DVD, even the obscure stuff stood a better chance of getting a release than it does now, and I think that window is closing fast, if it's not already closed. Those are the only things I feel FOMO about.
@@CerealAtMidnight Why don't we start a new label called Obscura? You know that's where you're going, Heath, to have your own label. You know that, right? :-)