To me, it’s absolutely okay to want to do something else. The problem though Is talking trash about others for having a certain sense of humor Like idubbbz and h3h3 and act all high and mighty for not having a dark sense of humor. Imagine, if the creators of its always sunny or aqua teen hunger force shamed you for finding their shows funny 10 years later. Or, if oneyplays James Rolfe or jontron shamed you for finding their videos funny after they’ve been enlightened about edgy humor.
And then went on to be super successful at something else he was passionate about, music, which isn't easy. Tons of good musicians out there who will never get a break. He did it without most even realizing his "true" identity. Some people just have *"it"* , ya know? Dude is a baller
I had no idea what was going on with Corpse. I followed him way back when he made horror story videos and creepypasta content. I still looove the little nod to Donnie Darko in his icon. I unfollowed him when he primarily started making Among Us content and I had no idea the stress he was going through. All of this unnecessary stress and anguish he goes through amongst a crowd of obsessive fans is terrifying for sure and not to mention embarrassing. It also makes people who "Kin" him (fucking bonkers) that much more offensive imo.
I started listening to his creepypastas when he had, like, 3K subscribers. Like you I bowed out with the Among Us content. I just figured the genre was running its course, and he was getting bored with it. He'd mention his health from time to time and I've worried since PewDiePie. I hope he at least made a ton of money, and that people leave him alone.
He just went to do something else, clean. He didn't try to speak on a pedestal to his former fanbase saying what degenerates they are. He just left and did his passion. As much as I miss it I'm happy for him. I will cherish Frank
What Corpse went through was just downright sad man. Fuck those haters, seriously. Jealously and hate and a lack of talent can really lead you to do some repulsive shit.
@@Utabuki56 they kept on pressuring him to do a face reveal too and expect him to be some godly “deep voice daddy” just like they expected dream to be this bandsome buff “daddy” and thus dream lost almost his entire audience after his face reveal
@@twes003NGL that sounds like his fandom was composed of kids but Idk if that is a right statement, because his haters harrasing him in real life is not something that a horny teenager would do lol and of course, I'm supossing that his haters were his own fans before.
Yeah his original fanbase was wayyy more chill. Mostly focusing on the actual stories and vibing. (Some weirdos ofc but thats the internet) after he blew up, the amount of stalkers, creeps and literal children that sexualized him 🤢 it was awful. The comments went from a small horror loving community to just sexualized comments and weirdos. People are so rude/ callous about it too, drives me crazy because nobody deserves that
Joji survived because he was HONEST with his viewers/fanbase. He told us: This character is effecting my health. And he wanted to be a musician. And He's an amazing artist- musician! Joji wasnt lying, he had to start taking his health seriously. he worked hard & built his amazing music career. I respect him for that. I love his music so much.
@@ImAtYourMumsHousewhat he's doing is basically virtue signalling and cringe-old-style TH-cam apologia to a fanbase that never cancelled him for anything he's done in the past, the opposite even. Point is, virtue signalling is almost always a case of someone saying roses and tulips out of his mouth just to feel better about himself condemning the most common thing out there like terrorism. It's not an act of honesty, it's an act of narcissism
@@mjanny6330 For idubbbz? No, it's not impossible. If he realises how he's alienated everyone for the sake of Anisa's BPD pussy and divorces her, he could make a comeback. Getting rid of Anisa and the whole LA culture he's become a part of with H3H3 and sucking up to breadtubers is what needs to change.
'Throat tissue damage'. Firstly, great Grindr profile name. The FF voice was something that always struck me as super hard to do and now I know it was. Also the 'you're people of culture' when people who loved his FF stuff even when he's said he doesn't enjoy it anymore is a touch of class and a sign of a great entertainer. It's remarkable to see someone that acknowledges where he came from very tastefully no matter how offensive it may have been received.
As a singer I always knew that voice was doing damage, I used to use a similar technique to scream and stopped cause it was unhealthy. When he quit I wondered if his voice was part of it and was not surprised to see that it was.
George absolutely deserves the acclaim and success his music career has brought him, even if it meant putting an end to such an influential and popular online character. It also shows his integrity and appreciation for the fanbase he accrued that he gave Frank an actual sendoff instead of just dumping the project and acting bitter and resentful towards old fans.
To this day, I only associate Silhouette to FilthyFrank's farewell and not as a Naruto opening. I didn't really watch his channel very much prior to this (notably because I was still relatively new to English TH-cam) but I still know how big of a deal that was and I felt nostalgic for things that I only just discovered
His music is mid and boring. Just more boring sad rap shit for kids who are just learning that life isn't perfect. As if doing rap, the most overrated slop of the music industry wasn't bad enough, he goes the route of making trashy stuff meant for kids and adult children who complain that life isn't always ups.
I feel really bad for corpse. The intense sexualization of him and insane obsession with his life was really weird. I miss when he was just a horror story youtuber I would watch in middle school. Some of you need to learn some real empathy Jesus Christ.
Idk, when I heard the part about him cutting himself bc he had to play among us, that just seems like one of those Tyler the creator moments ya know, remember when he said “cyber bullying doesn’t exist if you close the screen”. Like bro if you don’t wanna do this, don’t do it, sounds like he’s forcing himself to do it, doesn’t want to, but needs the revenue stream at that point. Should we all feel bad bc he has thousands of people donating to him per day, or bc he can’t handle pressure?
and nothing has changed at all. this will happen again and again until social media is fundamentally changed in some way, which is unlikely to happen by itself and will probably result as a consequence of something changing the internet as a whole. a relatively small group of people have turned a good thing into an objective blight on humanity and there's no going back on it.
He brought it upon himself. He knew women were attracted to his voice and played up that aspect by avataring as a delicate but dark anime dude. And it definitely paid off. Not saying he deserved it, just saying that playing with certain aspects of your persona has its consequences; good and bad. He definitely played up the sexualization aspect because he knew it was working with his female audience. This was by no means an accident or unintended result.
Same girl. Once my epilepsy started, it turned my whole world upside down. Until I got it under control, I could never predict when my brain was just gonna press the reset button. Its awful to deal with.
I actually met Corpse back when he was a narrator. I work for MrCreepyPasta and was invited to his wedding along with other creepypasta narrators. He was very quiet, but really sweet. I apologize when he revealed that he had a medical condition. He seemed surprised and said thank you. I felt so bad that he deals with stalkers and creeps.
@@Higesgirl Kind of the problem nowadays, nobody can have privacy, where some absolutely needs/wants it (talking about the community stalking other people asses in general)
@@franck5226 Except Mister Metokur. Heck, he accrued a number of sock accounts specifically for commenting on videos without people realizing it's him.
He really didn’t change much. He just started acting like a musician rather than an Internet personality. It’s not as though he disavowed his online persona and the people who liked it, he just focused on something else.
Joji is a genius no matter what he does. As long as he puts care into it, it shows his last album nectar while it was a departure from his old style. It really slapped.
@Burger Pants hakime is not judging him cause he doesnt like joji, i think hakime judges him cause he talked like jojis music is generally shit because in his opinion it is shit, and that he knows exactly whats what and tells others so. But i may be wrong tho.
Ian was so powerful that the only one to bring idubbz down was idubbz himself. And his TikTok loving girlfriend. What’s even funnier is he made Sam mainstream popular and killed off his own career. I love Sam Hyde now, when I was afraid of him before. And Sam seems to genuinely want to help idubbz but Anissa constantly gets in the way of that.
I still am am idubbz fan, I just ignored all the conflict creator drama BS. I could care less about that kind of thing lol. Should I check out Sam, is he funny? Is my question to you
This video also fails to point out that Sam knew the doc was going to be a slanderous hit piece from the start, so he ruined it by simultaneously going so over-the-top bizarre that it would make Ian's doc look fake while also killing Ian with kindness the entire time. He had the fake content-creation writer's room and the fake edgy drug addict girlfriend all to sort of exaggerate his own perception of Ian, and showered Ian with gifts that he knew would get dumped in the trash unceremoniously. And the cherry on top was that he caught Ian admitting the entire thing was to destroy Sam, and then releasing the footage before Ian could release the doc. Considering Ian's profuse apology about the existence of Content Cop, it made him come off like a massive hypocrite.
god i love filthy frank.... his content in a way was so helpful during such a depressing and lonely period of my life. Even now i rewatch some of his stuff and it entertains me a lot. Miss him to this day. One of the best
I feel so horrible for Corpse, so much so that I wouldn’t care if he disappeared from the public forever for the sake of his health and safety. My only hope is that he is surrounded by people who love and support him, and that the crazed “fans” and anti-fans are kept far, FAR away from him.
I'm one of those OG corpse husband fans, and while I was happy to see his stuff pop off thanks to his music and among us, I can't help but feel saddened seeing the lack of horror content. Now it looks like he hasn't uploaded in a year or more. Praying the guy is doing okay.
Same, there was that period before the among us stuff where he wasn’t uploading and then I checked one day. This horror channel with 500k subs now has uh millions.
I've always been glad that George decided to end Frank the way he did. If he didn't, he would have been fighting constantly against being deplatformed and hated, and it certainly would have haunted his career forever. His music isn't my taste, but I'll always consider myself a fan.
Your opinion is exactly how I feel, his music is not my vibe but while I'm sad FF ended I'm glad he did it. His content would'nt survive in the current climate and even if he did continue he hated making it at the end so I think his content would of fallen the way of idubbbz where he becomes bitter against his audience for what got their attention in the first place. I'm glad he is happy what he is doing and seems to get a positive response for it. Stll waiting on that Cold Ones episode though.
I have huge respect for George. Not a fan of the Joji stuff, but can somewhat appreciate it cause he is good, and the fact he departed from his old content without shunning his old content/fans. He achieved something that most content creators wish they could achieve, being able to adapt and change with alienating their previous audience and even bringing a lot of them along for the ride
I know your comment is two months old, but I just want to point out a typo in you comment. I’m sure you meant to say “without alienating” not “with alienating” his fans. Not a grammar nazi, just something that would be worth an edit if it was my comment as some people aren’t as good with English or aren’t native speakers. 🙏💯
@@hatefulconducthe actually created a new channel similar to filthy frank recently except he isn't a character in it personally so it doesn't effect him he just directs it. I came across it a couple months ago
In stark contrast to all these lads in this video, there is Guru Larry, who never gave up, never sold out, never stopped fighting for what's right, always spoke up when something needed to be said, and has learned to evolve and adapt with the times.
I really find it interesting how the more that the internet has become anti-edgy and safe, the more hateful it actually has become. Despite how edgy stuff was in the past, things like cancellation or self-flagellation over even mildy offence things has just made the internet a lot more disgusting and genuinely harmful in my opinion.
Yeah, nowadays you have brigades of doxxers, haters, gaslighters and who knows what, 15 years ago you could basically type and say anything even upload gore but still people were polite and trolls and doxxers were really rare and containted to forums or 4chan
In general the whole thing with cancellation made the internet more of an unsafe hellhole than it ever was. One wrong puff of air and your entire existence could be doxxed. It’s horrific
Filthy Frank, Idubbbz, Maxmoefoe, and h3 were honestly such a huge part of youtube experience in high school. Im glad Max and Joji are at least still doing well
Idubbs is still decent today, but not close to his prime. H3 on the other hand, has completely derailed himself. Interesting, they all started in a very similar place and I think Max was the only one who ended up normal.
@@alexanderbjorklund6971 hypocrisy* I think you mean controversy though. My point is that he continues to be successful, that's the opposite of derailment.
I think what most people had a problem with idubz was how disingenuous he would seem. It's fine if you don't like making edgy content anymore, but to try and smugly tell others they couldn't do it. While that's how you became famous. Then everything with Sam Hyde just appeared to be petty and childish.
Honestly I think him telling people not to make edgy content anymore is respectable. He is very well aware that the line you have to toe to make edgy content now is very very thin and you're likely to ruin your online reputation if you step on the wrong side of that line more than once, especially if your audience is small. Telling people to stay away from it is honestly good advice if you want to build an audience more diverse than an average fraternity
@@Astral_Incarnateit is hypocritical when his whole fame is from that. That's one of the issues. It's okay when he did it and got his wealth from it but not others. He's being a self righteous prick. He could of explained how he just doesn't find it funny anymore and wants to try different things and leave it at that like joji did.but no he had to act morally superior and act like his edgy jokes weren't just jokes. Also I find it funny how people don't think edgy jokes aren't like any diverse groups.
@@tiffanywyatt5137 is it hypocritical though? Doing dumb shit when you're younger and then when you're older saying "hey that was really bad nobody should do that" isn't what I would describe as hypocritical. And a lot of his jokes were literally just saying different combinations of slurs which isn't really a joke but whatever, point is that his edgy jokes cultivated a culture of incels and racists and told them over and over again that being offensive and saying slurs is great which undoubtedly caused some amount of real world harm. The difference between idubbbz and joji is that filthy frank was very obviously a character that was just an amalgamation of a bunch of terrible human traits whereas idubbz was just himself. It's way easier to say "hey I'm leaving this character behind" than it is to say "I'm leaving my past self behind." I also don't think idubbz was acting morally superior to anyone. I mean maybe he was acting morally superior to the incels and racists but to be fair he is morally superior to them so like whatever. But in the video he made it pretty clear that he wants to take accountability for his past and is going to try to make up for it which is very clearly putting himself below others morally
@@Astral_Incarnate it is hypocritical. If idubbz wasn't joking than that was on him. Many joke like that and there's nothing wrong with it. He made money off those jokes and yet he doesn't want others to joke. He was an adult btw when he made those jokes he wasn't a young kid. He was fully aware and either admits he actually was a bad person or hes simping for someone or something. Unless you can prove the real world harm, it didn't happen. Free speech or no speech. It's all okay or none of it is
@@tiffanywyatt5137 that just isn't how the real world works though. There is nothing that is that black and white in life and there already are limits to free speech. You can't make a fake bomb threat for example. And yes idubbz was a bad person, he said so himself. Also I know he wasn't a kid, I didn't say he was a kid, I said he was younger and is now older. He is now taking accountability for terrible things that he said and did when he was a young adult which is admirable. It's more than most celebrities try to do
He doesnt stream as much from what ive seen. Since hes been focusing on his music and VA work oh and his health since he can ans probably will completely loss his voice if he doesnt slow down alot and focus on his health. Edit: actually i think he did quit streaming and yt. He only ever posts on his music channel now. And ive only seen him on one of his friends streams randomly over the past yr. And shes pretty small
@@Kris-wo4pj yeah his health is very important and I think the constant content creation and videos and streaming was straining his voice. His voice actively hurts him at times and if I remember correctly, aomeone explained that his condition can cause his throat to bleed due to eating or drinking or straining his voice
@@Kris-wo4pjhonestly glad to hear that he isn't uploading. I pray that he is doing better now and I don't want him to go back to streaming. Since mental health is so important.
Idubbbz is just a classic example of 'I will take the piss out of you' but the second someone turned the tables on him it was 'unacceptable behaviour'. There couldn't have been a less graceful transition to other content than his history of the last 3 years. Not to mention him pulling up the ladder behind him when he reached the top and scolded those below him for being wrong.
He scolded himself as well, though. Perhaps he was too harsh on himself, but it isn't "based" to say the n-word as freeingly as he did then, no matter the time period it is said in. The people he scolded are the people who keep doing it, so he obviously isn't talking about the people who don't. That being said, it is still his fault ultimately that he fell off, only because he DID create a fanbase that expected him to be overtly vulgar, so when he dropped it, so did his views.
@@drvurruct2274 Whether saying the N-word or not is 'based' is an American issue. Where I am from we use a basically interchangeable word in a different context where it literally just means 'black-skinned person' in a non-derogatory way, and it's not frowned upon to say it, because very few people thinks of it being a 'no-no word'. The whole reason he went that way was because Tana Mongeau used it often and then when he used it in front of her (the whole reason why he said it) she acted insulted and concernedn while she had been throwing it around herself. Not to mention, this is content from over 6 years ago when there was still a different zeitgeist on the Internet and in general people weren't so professionally offended by everything. TH-cam has been a lot more constrictive of what can and can't be said, so it's to be seen in context of the then-and-now, respectfully. The whole issue with his turnaround is that his videos are 'private' but you can still find them with ease. If he actually now takes a stance against this content he should outright delete it, but now he can still make money out of it, so it's pure bogus and when people say 'He'S GroWn As A PerSon' well... no, he hasn't, he's just switched tactics because TH-cam demonetizes such content now, so he doesn't get any money from it anymore, alongside his whole switch of persona happening (((suddenly))) when those new TH-cam rules took effect. Sorry for the long read, but I hope you understand my skepticism about it all.
@@LaxyDreyi don’t understand the ongoing narrative of being upset by the usage of a racial slur as “professionally offended” . anyone who knows what a racial slur is knows why its *objectively* offensive. the only reason it exists is to *be* offensive. the dismissal of such affect seems to only come from people unaffected by its usage.
@@LaxyDrey it’s like hitting someone in the head but being upset when they cry. if you want them to stop crying, stop hitting them. it is unlogical to expect them to stop crying but you continue to hit them.
@@enchaentaed There is no such thing as 'objectively offensive'. There's people who are more sensitive than others when it comes to use of words. Whether something affects you is more related to your surroundings, personality and history with said words. But (almost) nobody got offended when he tried to make fun of the obese guy or tried a hit piece on Sam Hyde. He's used the same tactics recently, just on another audience.
No worries. We've got Filthy Frank's channel downloaded *somewhere* and TH-cam won't get rid of everything. My little brother was a hater comment in one of those series videos, I remember calling him around 3am when it uploaded and I watched it to tell him. Frank was (and is) our guy. I massively appreciated Filthy Frank as a character.
George went from a guy who sings about how someone adored Nickelodeon's child actresses in a different way to have a top 10 Billboard Hot 100 song. Just pure incredible
The thing so many people fail to comment about iddubbbz's demeanor is that its also telling "anisa is forcing me into all of this" its not such a tinfoil theory either as she is overpowering him, talking over him whenever they are interviewed together
Y'all it is absolutely tinfoil to say Anisa is forcing him to say these things, y'all just don't wanna admit that your precious edgy idubbbz went woke by choice and is owning it.
@@oMuStiiA its not tinfoil at all you can tell by his demeanor and the way she monopolizes the discussion whenever she is with him Besides he took HER name in marriage. Sure nothing wrong with that but given how much of a control freak anisa is this smells fishy
@@oMuStiiA I wouldn't say he went woke 😅, that's a bit of a stretch. He just grew a conscience, got a woman, And probably thinks about having kids. Men grow up... It just happens. Nuff said
i remember watching jojivlogs back in the day, and relating to the realness he displayed. frank is the epitome of transcending the past in the best way. although it sucked to see him go, the fact that his health was declining due to his commitment was something so admirable it would be wrong to go against. i would listen to his non pink guy music prior to his departure, and it was genuinely so good. the talent he had for music often bled into the pink guy character. im happy for joji, he deserves all the success in the world.
I've been on TH-cam the whole of his career but never watched it. I'm so amazed (and in a similar sufferer's way - proud) how he related the health issues to his audience. I couldn't do it at all like he did. I'd have fallen apart. Mess. There's genuinely nothing more important than health. Also, completely agree with everything you have said. I thought that goes without saying but just in case.
He handled the situation with such grace and gratitude that it was impossible to not root for him, even if it was sad to see him lay the FF persona to rest. I'm not a fan of the genre he's into but I respect his talent and have checked out most of his music, while trying to keep tabs on him from time to time. Seems like a genuinely great person and I'm really happy that music has worked out for him. Couldn't happen to a better guy. Idubbbz was/is the polar opposite, lol. It's like he's trying to make sure he becomes a has-been and it's so strange to watch. That video where he was doing a "doc" on Sam Hyde and the way that Sam turned the tables on him seemed like the last straw, and something snapped after that. It was kind of sad too as it looked like Ian wanted to let loose and get weird with it, like there was some cellular memory of the days when he still pushed the envelope, but the soy won out. The Sam won out, lol. Two early/mid 00's YT edge-lords, two very different ways of walking away from what got them where they are today.
I'm not surprised George had tissue damage to his throat. Maintaining that Filthy Frank voice must have absolutely shredded his vocal cords. Also lol at the idea of anyone taking kpop stans seriously. They think they're so powerful, but they're just unusually loud clowns.
I think George was able to look at himself and realize that he didn't like what he was doing, like the rest of them, but George actually took a look at HOW his life was being impacted by his fanbase and chose to use that as his reasoning, rather than preform mental gymnastics to justify why he didn't like his audience / his content.
He was honest. That’s the difference. He said he was more interested in pursuing a different career, and he did exactly that. He didn’t pretend that all of his jokes were actually evil and dangerous, then start a cringe-inducing online political crusade.
For all of us that grew up on the internet, there comes a time when we realized that almost all the people we enjoyed watching when we were young are hack frauds.
George was always making music as “joji”. He just kept it more lowkey. Look up the “Chloe Burbank” ep by joji. Nobody ever mentions it. He was doing that type of music before, and well into the filthyfrank era.
Joji was never destroyed by fame. He gave his reasons for ending Filthy Frank. His fans respected the choice and gave the new content a chance. Now, Joji has become more successful than ever
Wow this hit close to home. My whole life I have joked with people about seizures when there was flashing lights or other stupid shit like that. Till one day at the age of 28 I was cooking dinner and woke up on the floor with a busted face and a whole through my lip. We were hopefully that it was a once off and never again. Unfortunately 2 years later I had three in a week. One at the gym, where I busted my entire face open, had to have a surgeon stitch it back up. Finally after many more I have been seizure free for 7 months now. Seizures are something that unless you have experienced them, it's hard to wrap your head around them. It's unreal to just lose control of your body and there is nothing you can do about it. Sending love and light to all my epileptics out there. You are not alone.
Ye they suck. Had my first seizure 5 years ago at a rave (i was sober btw). Thankfully I don't have photosensitive epilepsy because not being able to go to live music and raves would suck so much, it's an important aspect of my life.
iDubbbz is effectively, alongside Nyanners and Fantano, yet another catastrophic example of 4channomics; the use of 4chan to grow an audience by directly or indirectly appealing to their sense of humour/taste only to then abandon and condemn them once it is profitable enough to do so.
The difference is Nyanners and Fantano were able to build significant audiences who were completely unaware of those associations, so when the backlash occurred, they barely felt the hit. A lot of Ian's audience are still people who watched him from back in the day but were still supporting him despite his change in direction. When he insulted them and the content they enjoyed, much more of his community than he expected turned against him. Now all he has are the people who he's leeched off of H3H3 and Hasanabi.
Seems like there's only so many places content creators can go. - They can be like Joji and come to peace with it, and revel in the fact that they were who they were. - They can be like Corpse and be consumed entirely by their audience - They can be like Skye and just have their actual personality catch up with them - And they can be like H3H3/iDubbbz and throw their old fanbase under the bus, or use them as a step ladder, to score points with a community that feeds into their egos and holds them aloft, and claims them to be "Reborn" or having "ascended" above what they once were, when in reality they're the same, maybe worse because at least before they seemed self aware. I mean we've known about Ethan for a while, but more recently with Ian, claiming none of the people he content copped deserved it... And then saying he was just sitting on a pedestal/grandstanding... Like that's not what he's doing by claiming all his old fans are basement dwelling neckbeards. It's so frustrating.
I think idubbz has come to peace with it, “throw their old fanbase under the bus” oh get an actual grip, he actually grew and change and realized he shouldn’t be larping for people that are still stuck in 2015-2017 and don’t represent his views anymore.
you realize people change and grow over 10+ years right? Ian and Ethan have both addressed and apologized extensively and expressed their regret from many things they've done in the past. In Ian's case where is own fan base was literally sending his Gf (now Wife) death threats over something so trivial as an only fans, its makes you question what audience you were tailoring too in the first place. As for Ethan he's a mixed bag and definitely has done questionable things over the years. But to say he's not self aware is crazy , the man has a 15 second delete button for his live stream because his filter is so poor and he knows it lol.
Spoony's fall is shocking if you were around during the wild west of late 2000s TH-cam. He started on TH-cam as an AVGN inspiration (by his own admission) before getting a fame boost from Channel Awesome, and at that time Spoony was a prince of TH-cam. He'd appear on the front page basically every single time he uploaded. In fairness TH-cam was a much smaller place and his content would be demonetized in a heartbeat today because of how sweary it was but he gained a lot of fame through his irreverence and passion for media. Around 2013 was when his uploads mostly just...stopped. It was definitely a result of his mental issues but he basically stopped working and didn't seem to have any motivation to continue even as his financial situation got worse and worse until he lost his house. He only recently resurfaced in those interviews Tom mentioned and seems to be trying to pick up the pieces. It's never too late. Also to be completely fair to Spoony's trash talking of Channel Awesome, their website was and mostly still is abysmal. The copyright notice is still dated to 2020 and there's a broken Google+ link because they don't have anybody to remove it from the theme (or they don't care).
@@GummyDinosaursify Yep, it's still active to this day. It's fairly depressing to look at considering the only people left on the site aside from Doug are Brad Jones and Guru Larry. I doubt it's getting much traffic since Channel Awesome's focus is their TH-cam channel now.
Also worth mentioning that LordKat is as big or a bigger lolcow than Spoony, and the rant featured in this video is just him being salty about missing one interview that definitely would NOT have saved his career
@@mistergrool3941 And feels really doubtful that this interview even suppose to happend. Like, Mojang denying interview because Spoony being an awrige manchild on a con, where is everyone is act like freakin childrens? Never happend, but there we go again. If that interview was true, then i bet they ditch him because they dont like HIM specifically.
The man who took his wives surnames, is ok with her selling pics of her pussy, was a full blown degenerate and made aguaby one of the most fucked up trilogy of cakes in the history of yt wants to call other people incels. This guy is a virtual cuck, he's in the dominatrix, probs gets pegged
I assume it's because "y'all" keep telling him his girl was a bitch (even if well yeah if you join a OF, you ain't gonna be a miss America or sum shit) Old Ian was unhinged and unfazed, he could post the most offensive shit or disgusting thing ever like the fanmails and stuff But yeah, soldier's down
@@franck5226 I did not care one bit about his girl doing onlyfans either. My dad raised me to never hate anyone for trying to make a dollar. I don't even hate him now. It's just kinda disappointing. I saw those clips of him saying his stuff about his old fans and that kinda hurt
George did the near impossible. Despite how insanely offensive his Frank persona was, he was able to greatly succeed as a musician, even when people tried cancelling him over his Frank work. I don't think we'll ever get another person like him.
@@kiirachan8281 This. My only gripe is I think is some respects, he's grown up. Like his views and whatnot. But his general attitude and how he goes about things hasn't really changed. Kinda. I dunno how to articulate it. Lol
The difference between FF and Idubz is that FF appreciated his audience and was capable of producing something. So when he switched his content his fans were willing to stand up for him. He didn't need to apologize he just needed to keep being himself. Idubz on the other hand basically said to his audience "I hate you and everything you stand for" and went on to produce nothing of value. He tried to broaden his audience by cutting off what he saw as cancer. But here's the thing, while a ton of Idubz's audience was pretty mean spirited a ton of them, much like Ian himself, have by now either matured or were only into that kind of stuff purely for laughs and not being seriously problematic. So when he basically told his old fans that he hated them he was throwing out the baby with the bath water.
I think "went on to produce nothing of value" was the real killer. Nyanners was brought up elsewhere as another example of a creator disowning their old content and audience, but she's still going strong thanks to building a solid streaming career and a newer fanbase who doesn't know or care about that stuff. Idubbz doesn't seem to have switched gears anywhere near as successfully.
I'd rather he produce nothing of value at all than produce his old stuff. And I'm glad he "turned" on his fanbase- maybe some of them will acknowledge their problematic pasts. You don't enjoy that content without a pretty significant amount of privilege separating you from its consequences.
@@annab4931 I know what you are implying here. But the privilege here is being and edgy teenager with raging hormones and an underdeveloped brain watching content anon on the internet. That's what separated his audience from consequences. You see it from all kinds of people and all political parties. Its easier to spout extreme opinions online under an alias because you aren't held accountable for what you say. Not the privilege that you are referring to.
@@antongunther3977 usually for sure anonymity plays a part, you see all sorts of vitriol being spewed behind that shield. But idubbbz fans were beyond that. He was saying that bullying is okay, slurs are okay because words are just words, and you can say anything to anyone as long as it's a "joke". This normalised discriminatory bullying to such an extent that his content made it impossible for people like me to speak up at high school when I was on the receiving end of that stuff in person, because it was always "just a joke". If you haven't been on the receiving end of that kind of discrimination I can imagine it would be much easier to find it funny. But when you know what it feels like, it's much harder to laugh. You have to internalise a lot of self hatred to survive in that sort of edgy humour environment as a minority or someone with disabilities. To reiterate, I'm not talking about just dark humour, I'm talking about him throwing around the word n****rf*ggot and saying that bullying is good for some people and slurs are totally fine for privileged people to use. Btw I wasn't implying it, I was trying to straight up say it, white men with no or invisible disabilities made up the bulk of the idubbbz fans who were public with their "edgy" behaviour. They may have aged out of it now but many of them don't like attention being drawn to how fucked up it all was back then because it makes them actually have to acknowledge to themselves that they were in the wrong.
@@annab4931bro dont make it a race thing. I'm not white and I know plenty of old idubbbz fans who aren't white. People can just miss him dunking on idiots and acting like a spaz with kickstarter crap and edgy humor. Not everyone watching shock content is there to be radicalized. Some of us can laugh at a joke.
The biggest difference between George and Ian is that George isn't going out of his way to shit on his old fans. Sure he might have issues with some of them, but he isn't SAYING it. Ian, on the other hand, hates his old fans and will happily say so, which sends the message that "this man does not appreciate the people who got him to this point" Which is why George is happy making music now, and Ian is a laughingstock, dancing on Yoko Ono's strings
the best part is that he only act like that because being edgy on youtube today does not make you a penny but he try to act like he changed Like dude you did not you just dont want to lose your revenue stream
George is and always has been more self-aware than Ian. He could see the writing on the wall, and understood very clearly that he owed his success to his fans as Filthy Frank, and that to turn them against him would only lead to bad things in the future. Ian seemed to think he was untouchable now that he was an official member of the H3H3/Hasanabi-sphere of influencers, and that he could shit talk his former content and fans with no repercussions.
@@peytonalexander5300I’m sorry to tell you this but you guys don’t have the power that you think you do. Ian never claimed to be untouchable, he just thinks a lot of his fanbase from 2015-2017 are basement dweller incels and he’s not wrong. If george publicly hated on his filthy frank fans nothing would happen to him, he is already successful and he has moved on.
@kennedy3682 yeah your right about george if he started shitting on filthy frank it would do nothing to him it might even benefit him a little with the twitter folks,but he doesn't. And that makes him a better man then Ian ever was
reminder that going from edgy narcissistic internet persona to insufferable narcissistic moral preaching far liberal internet persona is not "growing and changing" as a person.
I mean for idubbz, he's getting older and who you are as a person can change when you experience things. I mean I don't know a single person who can look at even a social media post from 7 years ago and not cringe. We as people are always experiencing things and it's not uncommon for something you experience to change your world view. Does he actually have new opinions and thought processes? It's very possible. Is he back pedaling on his old stuff a bit too hard? It's very possible, but we don't and probably won't really know
LordKat placing the blame on Spoony for Kat not becoming Internet famous by interviewing Notch is and always has been patently absurd. Spoony sperging out the year prior likely had nothing to do with the growing bad reputation of TGWTG nor why Kat didnt get the interview, and Spoony was just a scapegoat for Kat at that time. Ultimately, Spoony's downfall is truly one of the saddest, as he was one of the few people at Channel Awesome who actually had real talent, but he just was not made for the stress of the limelight. His Counter Monkey videos are still great to this day and I highly recommend them to anyone interested in tabletop gaming. I sincerely hope Spoony gets better 🙏
Also for that tweet it was handled behind the sense and even Jesse otaku accepted the apology. It would be months later that obscurus lupa would dig up the tweet while doug was on his honeymoon and along with The Last Doug left in charge and Scarlett Spoony ex would get him suspend form the site out of lupa being jealous of Spoony always getting front page over her
Whenever I hear about Corpse, I feel so bad for him. I visibly cringe out of my skin whenever someone follows me somewhere and I find out they’re a high school classmate that recalled my old email; I can’t imagine millions of people trying to dig through your stuff *on purpose* to find out about you irl and dox you for their own sick fantasies. Hope he’s okay and in peace, left to his own devices.
I still can not believe the AUDACITY of that person to say "he shouldve listened" about a supposed picture of corpse, as if they didnt stare at their computer for an unreasonable amount of time searching for it.
exactly. He shouldn't even have mentioned it. The transition of content was going so good before that point. Every time he tried to give a disclaimer he shot himself in the foot instead.
It's weird, I grew up watching Spoony, FilthyFrank, and iDubbbz (for a time). Of them Spoony is still the saddest story to me. It's hard to explain but at the time, I genuinely thought he'd be huge. I thought this guy is going to go somewhere. So much potential ruined by mental health issues. He should've sought help, but then again, most of us back then (and still, tbf) use the internet to escape that responsibilty. Sucks to hear Oreo passed. The guy really has lost everything at this point.
Failed to mention that Sam Hyde made him look like a completely gullible idiot. 😂 Sam knew he was there to make a hit piece, so he staged everything. Sam Hyde has his version of the doc/ all the scenes idubbbz took out. It's pathetic af.
It was sad, now its funny. Originally, I was sad to see someone I respected fall so far. Now a I see a spineless manlet who has no control over his own live/emotions, who is obviously triggered by people who slight him such as Sam Hyde, and I laugh. He gladly will go out of his way to try to ruin people like Sam, but is obviously immensely troubled by the fact that he not only failed to do so, but has probably sustained immense more damage than he ever could have hoped to inflict upon him.
@@florencepp7236 Ian went to make a hit piece on Sam called "Getting Away With It". When Sam turned out to look more funny and competent than Ian in the documentary, he refused to upload the video, blamed his editor for the delay, and developed an irrational hatred/fear of Sam. He was caught saying "I'm usually the puppet master in these situations". When Sam trained Harley for Creator Clash 1, Ian banned him from entering very shortly before the event to waste Sam's time and money that was spent on travel and tickets. When Sam trained Froggy Fresh for CC2, Ian tried to gaslight Froggy into not being friends with Sam and when that didn't work Ian kicked him and threatened him with a lawsuit if he spoke about it. People criticize Sam for making jokes about Anisa, but conveniently ignore that Ian and Anisa wanted to exploit him just like they exploited AirsoftFatty.
Not defending spoony at all but I will say as a channel awesome watcher in the late 2000s spoony was 100 percent right about the website being poorly designed
Never heard of corpse before but his story is actually so sad and it also makes me very angry of the people stalking him and shaming him... what a bunch of destructive useless people they are
the dream face reveal was only cringe because it was obvious how hard dream was trying to appear as attractive as possible, refusing to move his face from a specific angle that he feels is his best angle, which is a bit of a red flag for someone producing kids content, especially since he probably made money off his face reveal that no one asked for. People latched onto this and obviously bullied him for it.
Wow! I've heard of this Filthy Frank guy, but dude... He created "do the Harlem Shake"... That stuff survived for a very long time for a meme. I'm beginning to understand just how legendary this guy truly was.
He's always been a very creative person, even the stuff he was putting out towards the end of his career as Filty Frank where he wasn't as passionate was still quite good. He's just an artist through and through
This era of TH-cam is always interesting to watch about. Because I don't know a single one of these people despite being from "that era" of youtube, just not into this type of content. Even now, I primarily only watch niche gamers and artists. So finding out TH-camrs have these massive fanbases that are this obsessed with them is pretty interesting.
@@kr3642 This should be a new rule of the internet, like rule 34 or rule 63. "The longer a discussion about idubbbz and his terrible new content and persona persists on the internet, the higher the likelihood of one of his twitter using nufans mentions he "grew up""
The "betrayal" thing wasn't actually that big of a blow against Spoony. I'll admit it was unprofessional, but Blistered Thumbs, the video game subsidiary of Channel Awesome, died a slow and painful death because the CA management didn't give it enough support. LordKat not getting the Notch interview is probably more the result of him being a nobody than anything, honestly. He was always a tiny and insignificant member of CA. His podcast This Week in Games barely used to crack more than 30 views and even fewer live viewers at any given time. As to Spoony's tweet, it did drum up a lot of ill will toward him from other CA members. JesuOtaku forgave him, but then ObscurasLupa drudged the situation back up a month later in the middle of an argument with him, leading to a total meltdown on Twitter largely fueled by an at-the-time undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Spoony always sucked at taking criticism and it just got worse and worse over the years. (The two of them later privately settled their beef, and Lupa has a whole shady history of her own which I won't get into here.) But whether he got fired from CA or quit doesn't really matter. It IS true he was big enough to strike out on his own, making thousands of dollars on Patreon and through ad revenue on visits to his personal website The Spoony Experiment. No idea why Tom's applying a tone which isn't there when Spoony criticized CA after the fact. He's pretty nice in that clip Tom plays in this video and they remained on good terms, with Spoony even appearing in a few Nostalgia Critic videos after the final (proper) anniversary film To Boldly Flee. Spoony stated he'd start work on a movie after reaching $5000 on his Patreon, and of course this is where things fell apart. He cracked under the pressure and stopped making regular videos outside of the very infrequent Live Wire streams, where he'd spend half the time sitting in silence and the other half screaming at his own fans. Over the past few years, his marriage fell apart, his dog passed away, he got into a car accident and failed to show up to the court date, then finally lost his house and moved back in with his parents in his 40s. Things have very slightly been looking up for him, since he got interviewed by the guy from Phantasmagoria 2 and Live Wires have been more frequent, but he still owes his former fans sooooooo much that I doubt there will ever be a complete redemption arc.
You got me curious, what's this shady past obscurus lupa has? CA drama is interesting to read about, but info is really scarce because aside from Doug, Spoony and Linkara most of the "talents" were/are complete nobodies
@@relativedepression4604 She was a C-tier content creator that thought she was the queen of the site. She was a known shit-stirrer for years and her "Fired for not responding to a message withing 15 minutes" was more them grasping any excuse to fire her than the Walkers actually being bad. Also the tweet fiasco has hints of her being buddy buddy with Spoony's vindictive ex.
@@Sianostrakarenrenren In other accounts, she even said it was actually two hours, not fifteen minutes. But yeah @Relative Depression there's a conspiracy that she colluded with Spoony's ex Scarlett to get him kicked from the website. Scarlett was a mod for The Spoony Experiment and deleted many comments, likely at Spoony's discretion, so she wasn't very well liked. They had a terrible breakup that put Spoony in a funk until he met April, who of course eventually left him. Lupa was the main person behind the Change the Channel document, the infamous grievance list many former CA contributors lodged against the company. Many of the claims have since been debunked by various third parties. Lupa also later tried to act as gatekeeper for Power Rangers as she was watching the series for the first time and the community ousted her lol
I wish Ian would grow up and realize it's okay for people to like things that he doesn't. Maybe he'll develop enough empathy to realize that it's more harmful to dismiss people for their cup of teas than it is to use edgy humor that only offends the bullies.
@@sunbeamesare you talking about racism? Like be specific when you talk about “cups of tea” cause it’s so vague. By “edgy” what are you talking about? Cause Ian didnt want to be racist or homophobic anymore and I’m trying to find out what’s so wrong about that.
I wish Ian would grow up and realize it’s okay for other people to like being racist and homophobic. Maybe he’ll develop enough empathy to realize that it’s more harmful to dismiss people for their racism and homophobia than it is to actually use racist and homophobic humor that offends bullies. (I fixed it for you because I haven’t seen him denouncing anything except his own racism and homophobia)
@@yojer275ify he never was racist or homophobic before. Now he's treating blacks and gays as delicate flowers. He also thinks because he's no longer interested in edgy humor, he's somehow "grown up", like an 11 year old that no longer likes pokemon grew up because "I don't like that baby stuff anymore" If anything he regressed his maturity.
This video wasn't really what I thought it was. There were more people who, figuratively, shot themselves in the foot while embarrassing themselves, than most in this video. Bad coverage, there's just other people who did way more self-damage than these. Some of these are just people who fell off, not imploding as the title makes it seem.
being a fan as a teenager of filthyfrank, idubz, maxmoefoe, etc it feels good to see joji and the cold ones boys thriving. the only bad ending was for idubz but although i really dislike his way of handling things rn i hope he gets a good ending to
Good on Joji/Flight Frank for leaving while people were begging for more content rather than Ethan Klein and idubbz who continue to make content when their former fans say "quit already"
Joji/Frank leaving when he did in hindsight was such a smart transition. He left during the peak and didn’t drag or force the character too long, was when edgy content was getting nuked/becoming less culturally tolerated, made peace with his old fans and used pink guy as a method to practice for his music career.
Joji is the IRL version of a bollywood character stepping out of a fast moving car that then explodes, do a backflip, catch the damsel in distress midair and do a superhero landing. What a guy😄
I feel so bad for corpse… Man just wants to live his life. And I know the feeling of hating your face. Having weirdos obsess over you because of your voice, doxx you and then have the audacity to play into your complexes by calling what may or may not be you ugly is just horrifically crooked and fucked up. This is a big reason why I dont want to become too famous… People scare me. The calling ugly part is like bullying back in school. People seriously dont grow up online, thinking their own anonymity shields them from all. Nobody deserves something like that and while I know it’s impossible, I wish something could be done about cases like Corpse to protect the victims
I feel like what is happening to Idubbbz, happened to H3H3. They both made content that attracted offensive and crude humor fans, but both wanted to cut away from them and it almost seemed like a complete 180
For the record, they only cut away from the offensive and crude humor when it was no longer monetizable on TH-cam. It wasn't about growing up or maturing. It was about furthering their career on TH-cam.
@@8111y That's a pessimistic opinion, not fact. It's far more common than you think for people to change their views and interests. I think we can all look back at a time even just three or four years ago and find we don't identify with actions we took, or things we were into.
Idk why but my very first experience of FilthyFrank was the cake video and I instantly subscribed. It was just so absurd and unlike anything I had seen from TH-cam that I found it both entertaining and hilarious. And then upon first hearing the pink guy raps, I just knew Joji was actually really talented with making music. I started listening to his music outside of Filthy Frank, and it just confirmed that even more. It was pretty much foreshadowing to his future success as a full fledged musician. It got me looking into his account on soundcloud and I added a good number of his favorites into my own playlist. That playlist would get me through all the rough times of working on numerous assignments in college. Really glad he's been able to make an amazing transition despite the huge risks it took. He deserves the success. Hope he's doing well these days.
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I miss Frank so much. It's awesome that George got to achieve his dream of making music, though. That man was uncannily capable of viral success.
At least he didn't take down old videos and talk trash about his old fans. Im glad he has achieved success in the music industry.
To me, it’s absolutely okay to want to do something else.
The problem though
Is talking trash about others for having a certain sense of humor
Like idubbbz and h3h3 and act all high and mighty for not having a dark sense of humor.
Imagine, if the creators of its always sunny or aqua teen hunger force shamed you for finding their shows funny 10 years later.
Or, if oneyplays James Rolfe or jontron shamed you for finding their videos funny after they’ve been enlightened about edgy humor.
Joji doesn't even fit this video. He didn't "get destroyed" by fame. He's still doing alright.
@@MyaB1986 hes doing way better in fact
@@RealNick04 n
I wasn't a Filthy Frank watcher, but man, what a baller. Dude had an exceptional youtube career, and quit it like a champion. No drama, no resentment.
And then went on to be super successful at something else he was passionate about, music, which isn't easy. Tons of good musicians out there who will never get a break. He did it without most even realizing his "true" identity. Some people just have *"it"* , ya know? Dude is a baller
I could solve the davinci code faster than I could cipher this comment.
An absolute gigachad
You sound an awful lot like a filthy frank fan
@@SmokingDodo ikd what the divinci code is ngl
I had no idea what was going on with Corpse. I followed him way back when he made horror story videos and creepypasta content. I still looove the little nod to Donnie Darko in his icon. I unfollowed him when he primarily started making Among Us content and I had no idea the stress he was going through. All of this unnecessary stress and anguish he goes through amongst a crowd of obsessive fans is terrifying for sure and not to mention embarrassing. It also makes people who "Kin" him (fucking bonkers) that much more offensive imo.
lol you're 23
yess his horror stories made me follow him too, he was a great narrater
yea he was a natural at that!@@okok9509
@@yuh723lol you're fatherless
I started listening to his creepypastas when he had, like, 3K subscribers. Like you I bowed out with the Among Us content. I just figured the genre was running its course, and he was getting bored with it. He'd mention his health from time to time and I've worried since PewDiePie. I hope he at least made a ton of money, and that people leave him alone.
Joji was the only one to stop being edgy and not lose the respect of his fanbase
Joji means "p*ssy" in Korean language
Because he didn't shame his old fan base to try and distance himself.
@@bigslurpee2078 yea that is definitely a major reason why
He just went to do something else, clean. He didn't try to speak on a pedestal to his former fanbase saying what degenerates they are. He just left and did his passion. As much as I miss it I'm happy for him. I will cherish Frank
Idubbbz should take lessons
It is unreal that George was able to make a separate career from filthyfrank
Bro single handedly beat cancel culture
It's truly inspirational
@@neutrin0329 Probably the only person on Earth ever. Who's next?
He was actually talented, that’s how he made it.
nobody would give a shit about his music if he wasnt filthy frank first
What Corpse went through was just downright sad man. Fuck those haters, seriously. Jealously and hate and a lack of talent can really lead you to do some repulsive shit.
His stans are just as bad as his haters
@@twes003Why lol I didn't even knew this guy before.Now I wanna know his fandom because of your comment lol
@@Utabuki56 they kept on pressuring him to do a face reveal too and expect him to be some godly “deep voice daddy” just like they expected dream to be this bandsome buff “daddy” and thus dream lost almost his entire audience after his face reveal
@@twes003NGL that sounds like his fandom was composed of kids but Idk if that is a right statement, because his haters harrasing him in real life is not something that a horny teenager would do lol and of course, I'm supossing that his haters were his own fans before.
Yeah his original fanbase was wayyy more chill. Mostly focusing on the actual stories and vibing. (Some weirdos ofc but thats the internet) after he blew up, the amount of stalkers, creeps and literal children that sexualized him 🤢 it was awful. The comments went from a small horror loving community to just sexualized comments and weirdos.
People are so rude/ callous about it too, drives me crazy because nobody deserves that
Joji survived because he was HONEST with his viewers/fanbase. He told us: This character is effecting my health. And he wanted to be a musician. And He's an amazing artist- musician! Joji wasnt lying, he had to start taking his health seriously. he worked hard & built his amazing music career. I respect him for that. I love his music so much.
Fr his music is amazing
Implying iDubbbz is lying?
@@ImAtYourMumsHousewhen you’re ashamed of who you were, yeah, the fans who loved who you were will feel betrayed.
@@ImAtYourMumsHousewhat he's doing is basically virtue signalling and cringe-old-style TH-cam apologia to a fanbase that never cancelled him for anything he's done in the past, the opposite even. Point is, virtue signalling is almost always a case of someone saying roses and tulips out of his mouth just to feel better about himself condemning the most common thing out there like terrorism. It's not an act of honesty, it's an act of narcissism
and he didn’t full out degrade his fans
The way Joji handled his fame/infamy as Filthy Frank is commendable and I wish more people could follow in his footsteps.
It's impossible now.
@@mjanny6330 For idubbbz? No, it's not impossible. If he realises how he's alienated everyone for the sake of Anisa's BPD pussy and divorces her, he could make a comeback. Getting rid of Anisa and the whole LA culture he's become a part of with H3H3 and sucking up to breadtubers is what needs to change.
@@mjanny6330 Well not really its just a majority of them its impossible
@soviet0nion879 Controversial/hateful how?
@soviet0nion879Yes. Its perfectly executed and the only people who are upset dont deserve to have a voice anyway
'Throat tissue damage'. Firstly, great Grindr profile name. The FF voice was something that always struck me as super hard to do and now I know it was. Also the 'you're people of culture' when people who loved his FF stuff even when he's said he doesn't enjoy it anymore is a touch of class and a sign of a great entertainer. It's remarkable to see someone that acknowledges where he came from very tastefully no matter how offensive it may have been received.
U suck dongers at
As a singer I always knew that voice was doing damage, I used to use a similar technique to scream and stopped cause it was unhealthy. When he quit I wondered if his voice was part of it and was not surprised to see that it was.
It's some douche on a stage. Calm down baby.
George absolutely deserves the acclaim and success his music career has brought him, even if it meant putting an end to such an influential and popular online character. It also shows his integrity and appreciation for the fanbase he accrued that he gave Frank an actual sendoff instead of just dumping the project and acting bitter and resentful towards old fans.
His music is kinda mid tho if you're a Fantano-brain
To this day, I only associate Silhouette to FilthyFrank's farewell and not as a Naruto opening.
I didn't really watch his channel very much prior to this (notably because I was still relatively new to English TH-cam) but I still know how big of a deal that was and I felt nostalgic for things that I only just discovered
His music is mid and boring. Just more boring sad rap shit for kids who are just learning that life isn't perfect. As if doing rap, the most overrated slop of the music industry wasn't bad enough, he goes the route of making trashy stuff meant for kids and adult children who complain that life isn't always ups.
@@jishservedcold3536the cringe in this statement is enough to send you to The Rice Feilds.
Not really he was a mediocre nothing when he got to hollywood.
I feel really bad for corpse. The intense sexualization of him and insane obsession with his life was really weird. I miss when he was just a horror story youtuber I would watch in middle school.
Some of you need to learn some real empathy Jesus Christ.
Unlike dream he didn't egg and coddle his fanbase and tried to set boundaries and he got doxxed and treated like an object
Idk, when I heard the part about him cutting himself bc he had to play among us, that just seems like one of those Tyler the creator moments ya know, remember when he said “cyber bullying doesn’t exist if you close the screen”. Like bro if you don’t wanna do this, don’t do it, sounds like he’s forcing himself to do it, doesn’t want to, but needs the revenue stream at that point. Should we all feel bad bc he has thousands of people donating to him per day, or bc he can’t handle pressure?
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and nothing has changed at all. this will happen again and again until social media is fundamentally changed in some way, which is unlikely to happen by itself and will probably result as a consequence of something changing the internet as a whole. a relatively small group of people have turned a good thing into an objective blight on humanity and there's no going back on it.
He brought it upon himself. He knew women were attracted to his voice and played up that aspect by avataring as a delicate but dark anime dude.
And it definitely paid off. Not saying he deserved it, just saying that playing with certain aspects of your persona has its consequences; good and bad. He definitely played up the sexualization aspect because he knew it was working with his female audience. This was by no means an accident or unintended result.
“Not mentally fit” is the quality most needed by social media creators specifically the tik tok influencers
As an severe epileptic myself, there's no bigger betrayal than your brain suddenly clotheslining you with absolutely no reason or forewarning.
I've only had one seizure and that was scary enough, I can't imagine it being a constant worry. Sorry you've gotta deal with that.
Same girl. Once my epilepsy started, it turned my whole world upside down. Until I got it under control, I could never predict when my brain was just gonna press the reset button. Its awful to deal with.
@chrisg7636 what worked for you? I've tried everything for the past ten years and I'm currently lying in a hospital bed because I broke both ankles.😔
It seems so terrifying could only imagine
My wife has what Joji has! I think it’s called PNES.
I actually met Corpse back when he was a narrator. I work for MrCreepyPasta and was invited to his wedding along with other creepypasta narrators. He was very quiet, but really sweet. I apologize when he revealed that he had a medical condition. He seemed surprised and said thank you. I felt so bad that he deals with stalkers and creeps.
in person?
@@jslindsayfr Yes. In person. I talked to him while staying at my Boss's house along with other narrators.
@@Higesgirl Kind of the problem nowadays, nobody can have privacy, where some absolutely needs/wants it (talking about the community stalking other people asses in general)
@@franck5226 Except Mister Metokur. Heck, he accrued a number of sock accounts specifically for commenting on videos without people realizing it's him.
Well that's cool.
Frank definitely wasn’t destroyed, he took the fame he had from a character slowly changed to who he truly is as a person
He really didn’t change much. He just started acting like a musician rather than an Internet personality. It’s not as though he disavowed his online persona and the people who liked it, he just focused on something else.
Joji is a genius no matter what he does. As long as he puts care into it, it shows his last album nectar while it was a departure from his old style. It really slapped.
@@Sam-tq5xv alright sam
@@Sam-tq5xv oh you're the type to think they're taste of music is better than everyone else. Even tho you've never ventured out of you little genre
@@hakimehamdouchi7468slipknot X spice girls mash up is my jam right now 😂
@Burger Pants hakime is not judging him cause he doesnt like joji, i think hakime judges him cause he talked like jojis music is generally shit because in his opinion it is shit, and that he knows exactly whats what and tells others so. But i may be wrong tho.
@@Sam-tq5xv you're called Sam, I don't know if you are a boy or a girl.
I think covid really ramped up the obsession with corpse because people were stuck at home and those parasocial relationships were intense!
Yes! This is a major thing. And content creators were also home so they were making more content
Ian was so powerful that the only one to bring idubbz down was idubbz himself.
And his TikTok loving girlfriend.
What’s even funnier is he made Sam mainstream popular and killed off his own career. I love Sam Hyde now, when I was afraid of him before.
And Sam seems to genuinely want to help idubbz but Anissa constantly gets in the way of that.
Lol the fact that you were afraid of Sam is actually hilarious
I still am am idubbz fan, I just ignored all the conflict creator drama BS. I could care less about that kind of thing lol. Should I check out Sam, is he funny? Is my question to you
Yoko ono ended the man
This video also fails to point out that Sam knew the doc was going to be a slanderous hit piece from the start, so he ruined it by simultaneously going so over-the-top bizarre that it would make Ian's doc look fake while also killing Ian with kindness the entire time. He had the fake content-creation writer's room and the fake edgy drug addict girlfriend all to sort of exaggerate his own perception of Ian, and showered Ian with gifts that he knew would get dumped in the trash unceremoniously. And the cherry on top was that he caught Ian admitting the entire thing was to destroy Sam, and then releasing the footage before Ian could release the doc. Considering Ian's profuse apology about the existence of Content Cop, it made him come off like a massive hypocrite.
I like to imagine Ian waking up in the middle of the night, horrified that Sam Hyde’s career comeback was caused by Mr. Jomha
"When you introduce me, can you call me... Jomha?" i get chills every time
People take Sam Hyde so seriously, it's hilarious. He is the ultimate troll and everyone falls for it.
@@feastinginvalhalla8264 Nobody takes him serious. Most people just don't think he's funny.
@@scipioafricanus2071Hassan legitimately thought Candyman Sam was planning on killing him and was legitimately insane.
I imagined Ian waking up in the middle of the night to Sam staring at him through the window lel
Tom: “It’s interesting how a creator can create a fan base they don’t like”
Also Tom: “Leave me alone”
That's his catchphrase 😎
Tom is actually pretty nice if you interact with him i just think he doesnt like being social
god i love filthy frank.... his content in a way was so helpful during such a depressing and lonely period of my life. Even now i rewatch some of his stuff and it entertains me a lot. Miss him to this day. One of the best
I feel so horrible for Corpse, so much so that I wouldn’t care if he disappeared from the public forever for the sake of his health and safety. My only hope is that he is surrounded by people who love and support him, and that the crazed “fans” and anti-fans are kept far, FAR away from him.
Your a crazed fan Jesus leave the man and his life alone, you don’t need to wish for him to be safe cause he obviously is.
@@JeffyFan-nv5qo 🤓
@@JeffyFan-nv5qoi mean, he still lives in constant pain
@@JeffyFan-nv5qoif I leaked your current location and full name would you be safe?
Being famous for crying about life… terribly common
I'm one of those OG corpse husband fans, and while I was happy to see his stuff pop off thanks to his music and among us, I can't help but feel saddened seeing the lack of horror content. Now it looks like he hasn't uploaded in a year or more. Praying the guy is doing okay.
Same, there was that period before the among us stuff where he wasn’t uploading and then I checked one day. This horror channel with 500k subs now has uh millions.
Gross a groupie.
Lol
i assume hes just focusing on music. he just released a song with bmth so definitely doing well there.
I loved Corpse Husband’s horror stories..
making your face secret always backfires
Unless you change your name to James Augustine and pay to have your past mugshots erased from public sites.
I've always been glad that George decided to end Frank the way he did. If he didn't, he would have been fighting constantly against being deplatformed and hated, and it certainly would have haunted his career forever. His music isn't my taste, but I'll always consider myself a fan.
Your opinion is exactly how I feel, his music is not my vibe but while I'm sad FF ended I'm glad he did it. His content would'nt survive in the current climate and even if he did continue he hated making it at the end so I think his content would of fallen the way of idubbbz where he becomes bitter against his audience for what got their attention in the first place. I'm glad he is happy what he is doing and seems to get a positive response for it. Stll waiting on that Cold Ones episode though.
I have huge respect for George. Not a fan of the Joji stuff, but can somewhat appreciate it cause he is good, and the fact he departed from his old content without shunning his old content/fans. He achieved something that most content creators wish they could achieve, being able to adapt and change with alienating their previous audience and even bringing a lot of them along for the ride
I know your comment is two months old, but I just want to point out a typo in you comment. I’m sure you meant to say “without alienating” not “with alienating” his fans. Not a grammar nazi, just something that would be worth an edit if it was my comment as some people aren’t as good with English or aren’t native speakers. 🙏💯
Dawg, I hate to break it to you-- Joji hates his old fans.
@@hatefulconducthe actually created a new channel similar to filthy frank recently except he isn't a character in it personally so it doesn't effect him he just directs it. I came across it a couple months ago
@@hatefulconductthe new channel is called "Plump records" he still makes very similar content to his old channel
In stark contrast to all these lads in this video, there is Guru Larry, who never gave up, never sold out, never stopped fighting for what's right, always spoke up when something needed to be said, and has learned to evolve and adapt with the times.
Also he was pretty disgustingly fat and managed to get a hold of his life and lose a significant amount of it, which is cool.
top ten things ive put on me bum
Guru Larry would survive nuclear war. The bombs would fall and he'd still be posting stuff like 'Top 10 games to play in the fallout shelter'.
@@swordofseals33 That would be true.
I really find it interesting how the more that the internet has become anti-edgy and safe, the more hateful it actually has become. Despite how edgy stuff was in the past, things like cancellation or self-flagellation over even mildy offence things has just made the internet a lot more disgusting and genuinely harmful in my opinion.
Can’t say I disagree. Also just goes in line with the stanning of internet celebrities in general. Never has a happy ending
Yeah, nowadays you have brigades of doxxers, haters, gaslighters and who knows what, 15 years ago you could basically type and say anything even upload gore but still people were polite and trolls and doxxers were really rare and containted to forums or 4chan
I agree too the internet just isn't the same as it used to be back then...
Replace one form of hate with another form of hate, nothing changes
In general the whole thing with cancellation made the internet more of an unsafe hellhole than it ever was.
One wrong puff of air and your entire existence could be doxxed. It’s horrific
Filthy Frank, Idubbbz, Maxmoefoe, and h3 were honestly such a huge part of youtube experience in high school. Im glad Max and Joji are at least still doing well
Idubbs is still decent today, but not close to his prime. H3 on the other hand, has completely derailed himself. Interesting, they all started in a very similar place and I think Max was the only one who ended up normal.
@@alexanderbjorklund6971I'm not sure what Ethan has done that makes you think he has "derailed" himself.
@@alexanderbjorklund6971 H3 makes more money today than he ever did, wym?
@@wahwahwah6690 he’s at the center of hypocracy constantly and has lost all integrity of the last years
@@alexanderbjorklund6971 hypocrisy*
I think you mean controversy though. My point is that he continues to be successful, that's the opposite of derailment.
I think what most people had a problem with idubz was how disingenuous he would seem. It's fine if you don't like making edgy content anymore, but to try and smugly tell others they couldn't do it. While that's how you became famous. Then everything with Sam Hyde just appeared to be petty and childish.
Honestly I think him telling people not to make edgy content anymore is respectable. He is very well aware that the line you have to toe to make edgy content now is very very thin and you're likely to ruin your online reputation if you step on the wrong side of that line more than once, especially if your audience is small. Telling people to stay away from it is honestly good advice if you want to build an audience more diverse than an average fraternity
@@Astral_Incarnateit is hypocritical when his whole fame is from that. That's one of the issues. It's okay when he did it and got his wealth from it but not others. He's being a self righteous prick. He could of explained how he just doesn't find it funny anymore and wants to try different things and leave it at that like joji did.but no he had to act morally superior and act like his edgy jokes weren't just jokes. Also I find it funny how people don't think edgy jokes aren't like any diverse groups.
@@tiffanywyatt5137 is it hypocritical though? Doing dumb shit when you're younger and then when you're older saying "hey that was really bad nobody should do that" isn't what I would describe as hypocritical. And a lot of his jokes were literally just saying different combinations of slurs which isn't really a joke but whatever, point is that his edgy jokes cultivated a culture of incels and racists and told them over and over again that being offensive and saying slurs is great which undoubtedly caused some amount of real world harm. The difference between idubbbz and joji is that filthy frank was very obviously a character that was just an amalgamation of a bunch of terrible human traits whereas idubbz was just himself. It's way easier to say "hey I'm leaving this character behind" than it is to say "I'm leaving my past self behind." I also don't think idubbz was acting morally superior to anyone. I mean maybe he was acting morally superior to the incels and racists but to be fair he is morally superior to them so like whatever. But in the video he made it pretty clear that he wants to take accountability for his past and is going to try to make up for it which is very clearly putting himself below others morally
@@Astral_Incarnate it is hypocritical. If idubbz wasn't joking than that was on him. Many joke like that and there's nothing wrong with it. He made money off those jokes and yet he doesn't want others to joke. He was an adult btw when he made those jokes he wasn't a young kid. He was fully aware and either admits he actually was a bad person or hes simping for someone or something. Unless you can prove the real world harm, it didn't happen. Free speech or no speech. It's all okay or none of it is
@@tiffanywyatt5137 that just isn't how the real world works though. There is nothing that is that black and white in life and there already are limits to free speech. You can't make a fake bomb threat for example. And yes idubbz was a bad person, he said so himself. Also I know he wasn't a kid, I didn't say he was a kid, I said he was younger and is now older. He is now taking accountability for terrible things that he said and did when he was a young adult which is admirable. It's more than most celebrities try to do
I hope Corpse is okay. I hope he can get help. I think he should stop and take a two year break. Get him around people who help him.
Agreed. Out of everyone on this list, I feel most concerned on that one considering how obsessive people seemingly were.
He doesnt stream as much from what ive seen. Since hes been focusing on his music and VA work oh and his health since he can ans probably will completely loss his voice if he doesnt slow down alot and focus on his health.
Edit: actually i think he did quit streaming and yt. He only ever posts on his music channel now. And ive only seen him on one of his friends streams randomly over the past yr. And shes pretty small
As a person who isn’t a Corpse fan, I’m actually really worried for this man. I absolutely cannot fathom how he must feel in the situation he’s in.
@@Kris-wo4pj yeah his health is very important and I think the constant content creation and videos and streaming was straining his voice. His voice actively hurts him at times and if I remember correctly, aomeone explained that his condition can cause his throat to bleed due to eating or drinking or straining his voice
@@Kris-wo4pjhonestly glad to hear that he isn't uploading. I pray that he is doing better now and I don't want him to go back to streaming. Since mental health is so important.
Joji is a great example of how to leave behind your past gracefully.
The contrast between how he and iDubbbz left behind their respective audiences is absolutely nuts
@@1tallboi basically the opposite approach
Idubbbz is just a classic example of 'I will take the piss out of you' but the second someone turned the tables on him it was 'unacceptable behaviour'. There couldn't have been a less graceful transition to other content than his history of the last 3 years. Not to mention him pulling up the ladder behind him when he reached the top and scolded those below him for being wrong.
He scolded himself as well, though. Perhaps he was too harsh on himself, but it isn't "based" to say the n-word as freeingly as he did then, no matter the time period it is said in. The people he scolded are the people who keep doing it, so he obviously isn't talking about the people who don't.
That being said, it is still his fault ultimately that he fell off, only because he DID create a fanbase that expected him to be overtly vulgar, so when he dropped it, so did his views.
@@drvurruct2274 Whether saying the N-word or not is 'based' is an American issue. Where I am from we use a basically interchangeable word in a different context where it literally just means 'black-skinned person' in a non-derogatory way, and it's not frowned upon to say it, because very few people thinks of it being a 'no-no word'. The whole reason he went that way was because Tana Mongeau used it often and then when he used it in front of her (the whole reason why he said it) she acted insulted and concernedn while she had been throwing it around herself. Not to mention, this is content from over 6 years ago when there was still a different zeitgeist on the Internet and in general people weren't so professionally offended by everything. TH-cam has been a lot more constrictive of what can and can't be said, so it's to be seen in context of the then-and-now, respectfully. The whole issue with his turnaround is that his videos are 'private' but you can still find them with ease. If he actually now takes a stance against this content he should outright delete it, but now he can still make money out of it, so it's pure bogus and when people say 'He'S GroWn As A PerSon' well... no, he hasn't, he's just switched tactics because TH-cam demonetizes such content now, so he doesn't get any money from it anymore, alongside his whole switch of persona happening (((suddenly))) when those new TH-cam rules took effect. Sorry for the long read, but I hope you understand my skepticism about it all.
@@LaxyDreyi don’t understand the ongoing narrative of being upset by the usage of a racial slur as “professionally offended” . anyone who knows what a racial slur is knows why its *objectively* offensive. the only reason it exists is to *be* offensive. the dismissal of such affect seems to only come from people unaffected by its usage.
@@LaxyDrey it’s like hitting someone in the head but being upset when they cry.
if you want them to stop crying, stop hitting them.
it is unlogical to expect them to stop crying but you continue to hit them.
@@enchaentaed There is no such thing as 'objectively offensive'. There's people who are more sensitive than others when it comes to use of words. Whether something affects you is more related to your surroundings, personality and history with said words. But (almost) nobody got offended when he tried to make fun of the obese guy or tried a hit piece on Sam Hyde. He's used the same tactics recently, just on another audience.
No worries. We've got Filthy Frank's channel downloaded *somewhere* and TH-cam won't get rid of everything.
My little brother was a hater comment in one of those series videos, I remember calling him around 3am when it uploaded and I watched it to tell him. Frank was (and is) our guy. I massively appreciated Filthy Frank as a character.
You mean Internet Archive?
George went from a guy who sings about how someone adored Nickelodeon's child actresses in a different way to have a top 10 Billboard Hot 100 song. Just pure incredible
The thing so many people fail to comment about iddubbbz's demeanor is that its also telling "anisa is forcing me into all of this" its not such a tinfoil theory either as she is overpowering him, talking over him whenever they are interviewed together
Tbf I can definitely see why he hates his old content. I cringe when I think back to when I was an edgewood. I was only 14 though, not in my 20s lol
Y'all it is absolutely tinfoil to say Anisa is forcing him to say these things, y'all just don't wanna admit that your precious edgy idubbbz went woke by choice and is owning it.
@@oMuStiiA its not tinfoil at all you can tell by his demeanor and the way she monopolizes the discussion whenever she is with him
Besides he took HER name in marriage. Sure nothing wrong with that but given how much of a control freak anisa is this smells fishy
@@oMuStiiA I wouldn't say he went woke 😅, that's a bit of a stretch. He just grew a conscience, got a woman, And probably thinks about having kids. Men grow up... It just happens. Nuff said
i remember watching jojivlogs back in the day, and relating to the realness he displayed. frank is the epitome of transcending the past in the best way. although it sucked to see him go, the fact that his health was declining due to his commitment was something so admirable it would be wrong to go against. i would listen to his non pink guy music prior to his departure, and it was genuinely so good. the talent he had for music often bled into the pink guy character. im happy for joji, he deserves all the success in the world.
I've been on TH-cam the whole of his career but never watched it. I'm so amazed (and in a similar sufferer's way - proud) how he related the health issues to his audience. I couldn't do it at all like he did. I'd have fallen apart. Mess. There's genuinely nothing more important than health.
Also, completely agree with everything you have said. I thought that goes without saying but just in case.
Back in the day 😂
He handled the situation with such grace and gratitude that it was impossible to not root for him, even if it was sad to see him lay the FF persona to rest. I'm not a fan of the genre he's into but I respect his talent and have checked out most of his music, while trying to keep tabs on him from time to time. Seems like a genuinely great person and I'm really happy that music has worked out for him. Couldn't happen to a better guy.
Idubbbz was/is the polar opposite, lol. It's like he's trying to make sure he becomes a has-been and it's so strange to watch. That video where he was doing a "doc" on Sam Hyde and the way that Sam turned the tables on him seemed like the last straw, and something snapped after that. It was kind of sad too as it looked like Ian wanted to let loose and get weird with it, like there was some cellular memory of the days when he still pushed the envelope, but the soy won out. The Sam won out, lol.
Two early/mid 00's YT edge-lords, two very different ways of walking away from what got them where they are today.
I'm not surprised George had tissue damage to his throat. Maintaining that Filthy Frank voice must have absolutely shredded his vocal cords.
Also lol at the idea of anyone taking kpop stans seriously. They think they're so powerful, but they're just unusually loud clowns.
I think George was able to look at himself and realize that he didn't like what he was doing, like the rest of them, but George actually took a look at HOW his life was being impacted by his fanbase and chose to use that as his reasoning, rather than preform mental gymnastics to justify why he didn't like his audience / his content.
He was honest. That’s the difference. He said he was more interested in pursuing a different career, and he did exactly that. He didn’t pretend that all of his jokes were actually evil and dangerous, then start a cringe-inducing online political crusade.
Who could've guessed that Idubbbz final Content Cop would be about himself 🤣💀
Ian was always a façade. He couldn't take what he dished out.
Sam was the boy who called out the emperor wasn't wearing clothes
Actually it's the empress who isn't wearing clothes. For money.
@@LunarLocust Ian is the empress. He took her last name when they married
Yeah i dont know about that one bud. Sam is just a massive piece of shit.
@@LunarLocust hahahaha
He seems genuine to me, neither his takes back in the day, nor his stance now seem to betray his honest views.
Timestamp
0:27 Filthyfrank/Joji
8:26 Corpse Husband
16:19 SkyDoesMinecraft
23:43 Noah Antwiler
31:36 Idubbbz
Thanks lad
the goat
For all of us that grew up on the internet, there comes a time when we realized that almost all the people we enjoyed watching when we were young are hack frauds.
💯💯💯👍
They demonized the Irate Gamer so hard yet he was the most talented and well adjusted of them all.
@@GetBenched2010 I'll never not feel bad about that.
RLM especially
@@gr-8166 Someone got the reference!
George was always making music as “joji”. He just kept it more lowkey. Look up the “Chloe Burbank” ep by joji. Nobody ever mentions it. He was doing that type of music before, and well into the filthyfrank era.
Joji was never destroyed by fame. He gave his reasons for ending Filthy Frank. His fans respected the choice and gave the new content a chance. Now, Joji has become more successful than ever
The only person that could defeat idubbbz is....idubbbz
Edit : mom im famous 😁
Or pink-guy
Or the entire commentary community
Or Sam Hyde
Or the Ghost of Kiev.
you mean 'only person that couldn't'
Always a pleasure to see TT pop up in the feed during lunch.
Wow this hit close to home. My whole life I have joked with people about seizures when there was flashing lights or other stupid shit like that. Till one day at the age of 28 I was cooking dinner and woke up on the floor with a busted face and a whole through my lip. We were hopefully that it was a once off and never again. Unfortunately 2 years later I had three in a week. One at the gym, where I busted my entire face open, had to have a surgeon stitch it back up. Finally after many more I have been seizure free for 7 months now. Seizures are something that unless you have experienced them, it's hard to wrap your head around them. It's unreal to just lose control of your body and there is nothing you can do about it. Sending love and light to all my epileptics out there. You are not alone.
Ye they suck. Had my first seizure 5 years ago at a rave (i was sober btw). Thankfully I don't have photosensitive epilepsy because not being able to go to live music and raves would suck so much, it's an important aspect of my life.
iDubbbz is effectively, alongside Nyanners and Fantano, yet another catastrophic example of 4channomics; the use of 4chan to grow an audience by directly or indirectly appealing to their sense of humour/taste only to then abandon and condemn them once it is profitable enough to do so.
H3H3 is another one the dick rode edgy jokes until it wasn’t profitable
The difference is Nyanners and Fantano were able to build significant audiences who were completely unaware of those associations, so when the backlash occurred, they barely felt the hit. A lot of Ian's audience are still people who watched him from back in the day but were still supporting him despite his change in direction. When he insulted them and the content they enjoyed, much more of his community than he expected turned against him. Now all he has are the people who he's leeched off of H3H3 and Hasanabi.
@@peytonalexander5300 100% spot on.
It's insane that Fantano went from Thatistheplan to whatever he is now...dude completely 180-ed
they hold some blame but maybe 4chan fanatics are such losers that they feel the need to move on
Seems like there's only so many places content creators can go.
- They can be like Joji and come to peace with it, and revel in the fact that they were who they were.
- They can be like Corpse and be consumed entirely by their audience
- They can be like Skye and just have their actual personality catch up with them
- And they can be like H3H3/iDubbbz and throw their old fanbase under the bus, or use them as a step ladder, to score points with a community that feeds into their egos and holds them aloft, and claims them to be "Reborn" or having "ascended" above what they once were, when in reality they're the same, maybe worse because at least before they seemed self aware.
I mean we've known about Ethan for a while, but more recently with Ian, claiming none of the people he content copped deserved it... And then saying he was just sitting on a pedestal/grandstanding... Like that's not what he's doing by claiming all his old fans are basement dwelling neckbeards. It's so frustrating.
I don't think changing your content ad acknowledging your problematic past and disavowing it is "throwing their old fanbase under the bus"
I think idubbz has come to peace with it, “throw their old fanbase under the bus” oh get an actual grip, he actually grew and change and realized he shouldn’t be larping for people that are still stuck in 2015-2017 and don’t represent his views anymore.
you realize people change and grow over 10+ years right? Ian and Ethan have both addressed and apologized extensively and expressed their regret from many things they've done in the past. In Ian's case where is own fan base was literally sending his Gf (now Wife) death threats over something so trivial as an only fans, its makes you question what audience you were tailoring too in the first place. As for Ethan he's a mixed bag and definitely has done questionable things over the years. But to say he's not self aware is crazy , the man has a 15 second delete button for his live stream because his filter is so poor and he knows it lol.
@@HummingBunonly fans is trivial??? :/
@@quirky-catholic-girl yes?
Man frank was such a legend, its crazy to think about how many viral memes this guy created and I'm not just talking about the Harlem shake
Spoony's fall is shocking if you were around during the wild west of late 2000s TH-cam. He started on TH-cam as an AVGN inspiration (by his own admission) before getting a fame boost from Channel Awesome, and at that time Spoony was a prince of TH-cam. He'd appear on the front page basically every single time he uploaded. In fairness TH-cam was a much smaller place and his content would be demonetized in a heartbeat today because of how sweary it was but he gained a lot of fame through his irreverence and passion for media. Around 2013 was when his uploads mostly just...stopped. It was definitely a result of his mental issues but he basically stopped working and didn't seem to have any motivation to continue even as his financial situation got worse and worse until he lost his house. He only recently resurfaced in those interviews Tom mentioned and seems to be trying to pick up the pieces. It's never too late.
Also to be completely fair to Spoony's trash talking of Channel Awesome, their website was and mostly still is abysmal. The copyright notice is still dated to 2020 and there's a broken Google+ link because they don't have anybody to remove it from the theme (or they don't care).
Wait, the channel awesome website is still around? I thought it died when everyone left.
@@GummyDinosaursify Yep, it's still active to this day. It's fairly depressing to look at considering the only people left on the site aside from Doug are Brad Jones and Guru Larry. I doubt it's getting much traffic since Channel Awesome's focus is their TH-cam channel now.
Also worth mentioning that LordKat is as big or a bigger lolcow than Spoony, and the rant featured in this video is just him being salty about missing one interview that definitely would NOT have saved his career
Spoony still streams on his channel. It’s boring though he doesn’t even make jokes.
@@mistergrool3941 And feels really doubtful that this interview even suppose to happend. Like, Mojang denying interview because Spoony being an awrige manchild on a con, where is everyone is act like freakin childrens? Never happend, but there we go again. If that interview was true, then i bet they ditch him because they dont like HIM specifically.
Joji left Frank behind with grace and thanked us all. Ian called us all basement dwelling incels...
The man who took his wives surnames, is ok with her selling pics of her pussy, was a full blown degenerate and made aguaby one of the most fucked up trilogy of cakes in the history of yt wants to call other people incels. This guy is a virtual cuck, he's in the dominatrix, probs gets pegged
I assume it's because "y'all" keep telling him his girl was a bitch (even if well yeah if you join a OF, you ain't gonna be a miss America or sum shit)
Old Ian was unhinged and unfazed, he could post the most offensive shit or disgusting thing ever like the fanmails and stuff
But yeah, soldier's down
u have cognitive bias. very harsh on the white guy. even though idubbbz in other talks showed gratitude for his fans. u just wanna hate. it's okay.
@@henlohenlo689 Hope you weren't talking about me, cause I was just stating a thing, idc if his girl does of, my dude does what he want
@@franck5226 I did not care one bit about his girl doing onlyfans either. My dad raised me to never hate anyone for trying to make a dollar. I don't even hate him now. It's just kinda disappointing. I saw those clips of him saying his stuff about his old fans and that kinda hurt
George did the near impossible. Despite how insanely offensive his Frank persona was, he was able to greatly succeed as a musician, even when people tried cancelling him over his Frank work. I don't think we'll ever get another person like him.
idubbz went from one extreme to another, old idubbz would have made a content cop about his new self. Sad how much his relationship changed him.
Funnily enough, Hasan Piker, who had Idubbbz on his livestream, is also someone the Idubbbz of old would have made a content cop on back in 2016/2017
Did his relationship change Idubbz, or did it just reveal his true colors?
Think he just grew up
@@kiirachan8281grown into an disingenuous pos who can only answer yes or no questions with emotional manipulation and crying
@@kiirachan8281 This. My only gripe is I think is some respects, he's grown up. Like his views and whatnot. But his general attitude and how he goes about things hasn't really changed. Kinda. I dunno how to articulate it. Lol
I hope that corpse is doing better. Its sad that people have this dispicable need to out people and doxx them to this point.
There's Joji, a successful artist. Chad and Max just Chilling with their own content and then there's Ethan and Ian.
The difference between FF and Idubz is that FF appreciated his audience and was capable of producing something. So when he switched his content his fans were willing to stand up for him. He didn't need to apologize he just needed to keep being himself. Idubz on the other hand basically said to his audience "I hate you and everything you stand for" and went on to produce nothing of value. He tried to broaden his audience by cutting off what he saw as cancer.
But here's the thing, while a ton of Idubz's audience was pretty mean spirited a ton of them, much like Ian himself, have by now either matured or were only into that kind of stuff purely for laughs and not being seriously problematic. So when he basically told his old fans that he hated them he was throwing out the baby with the bath water.
I think "went on to produce nothing of value" was the real killer. Nyanners was brought up elsewhere as another example of a creator disowning their old content and audience, but she's still going strong thanks to building a solid streaming career and a newer fanbase who doesn't know or care about that stuff. Idubbz doesn't seem to have switched gears anywhere near as successfully.
I'd rather he produce nothing of value at all than produce his old stuff. And I'm glad he "turned" on his fanbase- maybe some of them will acknowledge their problematic pasts. You don't enjoy that content without a pretty significant amount of privilege separating you from its consequences.
@@annab4931 I know what you are implying here. But the privilege here is being and edgy teenager with raging hormones and an underdeveloped brain watching content anon on the internet.
That's what separated his audience from consequences. You see it from all kinds of people and all political parties. Its easier to spout extreme opinions online under an alias because you aren't held accountable for what you say.
Not the privilege that you are referring to.
@@antongunther3977 usually for sure anonymity plays a part, you see all sorts of vitriol being spewed behind that shield. But idubbbz fans were beyond that. He was saying that bullying is okay, slurs are okay because words are just words, and you can say anything to anyone as long as it's a "joke". This normalised discriminatory bullying to such an extent that his content made it impossible for people like me to speak up at high school when I was on the receiving end of that stuff in person, because it was always "just a joke". If you haven't been on the receiving end of that kind of discrimination I can imagine it would be much easier to find it funny. But when you know what it feels like, it's much harder to laugh. You have to internalise a lot of self hatred to survive in that sort of edgy humour environment as a minority or someone with disabilities.
To reiterate, I'm not talking about just dark humour, I'm talking about him throwing around the word n****rf*ggot and saying that bullying is good for some people and slurs are totally fine for privileged people to use.
Btw I wasn't implying it, I was trying to straight up say it, white men with no or invisible disabilities made up the bulk of the idubbbz fans who were public with their "edgy" behaviour.
They may have aged out of it now but many of them don't like attention being drawn to how fucked up it all was back then because it makes them actually have to acknowledge to themselves that they were in the wrong.
@@annab4931bro dont make it a race thing. I'm not white and I know plenty of old idubbbz fans who aren't white. People can just miss him dunking on idiots and acting like a spaz with kickstarter crap and edgy humor. Not everyone watching shock content is there to be radicalized. Some of us can laugh at a joke.
Keep Pumping out the good content Tom!
His videos are a lot of fun.
Lmao InternetAjay got salty cuz of him
I remember being so ecstatic when Frank transitioned to music. Like watching someone chase a dream, I could tell it made him really happy
The biggest difference between George and Ian is that George isn't going out of his way to shit on his old fans. Sure he might have issues with some of them, but he isn't SAYING it. Ian, on the other hand, hates his old fans and will happily say so, which sends the message that "this man does not appreciate the people who got him to this point"
Which is why George is happy making music now, and Ian is a laughingstock, dancing on Yoko Ono's strings
the best part is that he only act like that because being edgy on youtube today does not make you a penny but he try to act like he changed Like dude you did not you just dont want to lose your revenue stream
George is and always has been more self-aware than Ian. He could see the writing on the wall, and understood very clearly that he owed his success to his fans as Filthy Frank, and that to turn them against him would only lead to bad things in the future. Ian seemed to think he was untouchable now that he was an official member of the H3H3/Hasanabi-sphere of influencers, and that he could shit talk his former content and fans with no repercussions.
@@peytonalexander5300I’m sorry to tell you this but you guys don’t have the power that you think you do. Ian never claimed to be untouchable, he just thinks a lot of his fanbase from 2015-2017 are basement dweller incels and he’s not wrong. If george publicly hated on his filthy frank fans nothing would happen to him, he is already successful and he has moved on.
@kennedy3682 yeah your right about george if he started shitting on filthy frank it would do nothing to him it might even benefit him a little with the twitter folks,but he doesn't.
And that makes him a better man then Ian ever was
@@kennedy3682cope
reminder that going from edgy narcissistic internet persona to insufferable narcissistic moral preaching far liberal internet persona is not "growing and changing" as a person.
You sound like the kind of person that complains about anything you don't like being woke lol
@@blakelopez6309 That's usually how it goes 😂
@@blakelopez6309 ok latinX
@@blakelopez6309and you sound like you complain about everything you don't like being ist/phobic
@blakelopez6309 and you sound like the kind of person who has 5 terabytes of CP on their pc
I mean for idubbz, he's getting older and who you are as a person can change when you experience things. I mean I don't know a single person who can look at even a social media post from 7 years ago and not cringe. We as people are always experiencing things and it's not uncommon for something you experience to change your world view. Does he actually have new opinions and thought processes? It's very possible. Is he back pedaling on his old stuff a bit too hard? It's very possible, but we don't and probably won't really know
Shit take
It’s still crazy that lots of people don’t know how joji started
LordKat placing the blame on Spoony for Kat not becoming Internet famous by interviewing Notch is and always has been patently absurd. Spoony sperging out the year prior likely had nothing to do with the growing bad reputation of TGWTG nor why Kat didnt get the interview, and Spoony was just a scapegoat for Kat at that time. Ultimately, Spoony's downfall is truly one of the saddest, as he was one of the few people at Channel Awesome who actually had real talent, but he just was not made for the stress of the limelight. His Counter Monkey videos are still great to this day and I highly recommend them to anyone interested in tabletop gaming. I sincerely hope Spoony gets better 🙏
I feel the same. I am so sick of the Lord kat thing being taken seriously.
Let's not forget when lord kat said on a live stream that spoony should grab his brothers gun and paint the wall behind him with it
Also for that tweet it was handled behind the sense and even Jesse otaku accepted the apology. It would be months later that obscurus lupa would dig up the tweet while doug was on his honeymoon and along with The Last Doug left in charge and Scarlett Spoony ex would get him suspend form the site out of lupa being jealous of Spoony always getting front page over her
Also Lord Kat lost the interview not because of spoony but because Lord Kat jerk it on a live stream
Hey aydin didn't expect you here, love your work
Whenever I hear about Corpse, I feel so bad for him. I visibly cringe out of my skin whenever someone follows me somewhere and I find out they’re a high school classmate that recalled my old email; I can’t imagine millions of people trying to dig through your stuff *on purpose* to find out about you irl and dox you for their own sick fantasies. Hope he’s okay and in peace, left to his own devices.
I love how the title is "TH-camrs Destroyed By Their Fame" when the first youtuber you show is fine and just quit
Perfect I needed something to watch while I did laundry.
Same
Same
I’m so glad Idubz is on the thumbnail. Perfect example
K p 0p is garbage
I still can not believe the AUDACITY of that person to say "he shouldve listened" about a supposed picture of corpse, as if they didnt stare at their computer for an unreasonable amount of time searching for it.
All Ian had to do was say "I dont want to make that content anymore" and nobody would have cared.
exactly. He shouldn't even have mentioned it. The transition of content was going so good before that point. Every time he tried to give a disclaimer he shot himself in the foot instead.
It's weird, I grew up watching Spoony, FilthyFrank, and iDubbbz (for a time). Of them Spoony is still the saddest story to me. It's hard to explain but at the time, I genuinely thought he'd be huge. I thought this guy is going to go somewhere. So much potential ruined by mental health issues. He should've sought help, but then again, most of us back then (and still, tbf) use the internet to escape that responsibilty.
Sucks to hear Oreo passed. The guy really has lost everything at this point.
Laziness and a petulant, spiteful personality are what ruined Spoony’s life.
@@N0TYALCmental health don't be a Jackass
The emasculation of Idubbbz is somehow both the funniest and saddest thing ever.
Failed to mention that Sam Hyde made him look like a completely gullible idiot. 😂
Sam knew he was there to make a hit piece, so he staged everything.
Sam Hyde has his version of the doc/ all the scenes idubbbz took out.
It's pathetic af.
Honestly
It was sad, now its funny. Originally, I was sad to see someone I respected fall so far. Now a I see a spineless manlet who has no control over his own live/emotions, who is obviously triggered by people who slight him such as Sam Hyde, and I laugh. He gladly will go out of his way to try to ruin people like Sam, but is obviously immensely troubled by the fact that he not only failed to do so, but has probably sustained immense more damage than he ever could have hoped to inflict upon him.
@@justliving920 some people mention sam hyde here and never even heard of him. So I wouldn't even call him influential
@@florencepp7236 Ian went to make a hit piece on Sam called "Getting Away With It". When Sam turned out to look more funny and competent than Ian in the documentary, he refused to upload the video, blamed his editor for the delay, and developed an irrational hatred/fear of Sam. He was caught saying "I'm usually the puppet master in these situations".
When Sam trained Harley for Creator Clash 1, Ian banned him from entering very shortly before the event to waste Sam's time and money that was spent on travel and tickets. When Sam trained Froggy Fresh for CC2, Ian tried to gaslight Froggy into not being friends with Sam and when that didn't work Ian kicked him and threatened him with a lawsuit if he spoke about it.
People criticize Sam for making jokes about Anisa, but conveniently ignore that Ian and Anisa wanted to exploit him just like they exploited AirsoftFatty.
Not defending spoony at all but I will say as a channel awesome watcher in the late 2000s spoony was 100 percent right about the website being poorly designed
Never heard of corpse before but his story is actually so sad and it also makes me very angry of the people stalking him and shaming him... what a bunch of destructive useless people they are
Damn. After all these years, Sky must've heard of the genocide route and said "fuck it, we ballin!" 💀
nah…
the dream face reveal was only cringe because it was obvious how hard dream was trying to appear as attractive as possible, refusing to move his face from a specific angle that he feels is his best angle, which is a bit of a red flag for someone producing kids content, especially since he probably made money off his face reveal that no one asked for. People latched onto this and obviously bullied him for it.
I'm suprised Cryaotic didn't make it onto this list. I absolutely LOVED his content. It's a shame controversy destroyed him
Wow! I've heard of this Filthy Frank guy, but dude... He created "do the Harlem Shake"... That stuff survived for a very long time for a meme. I'm beginning to understand just how legendary this guy truly was.
He's always been a very creative person, even the stuff he was putting out towards the end of his career as Filty Frank where he wasn't as passionate was still quite good. He's just an artist through and through
This era of TH-cam is always interesting to watch about. Because I don't know a single one of these people despite being from "that era" of youtube, just not into this type of content. Even now, I primarily only watch niche gamers and artists. So finding out TH-camrs have these massive fanbases that are this obsessed with them is pretty interesting.
Idubbsz did a complete 180 of his personality and beliefs. It's crazy
His intelligence seems to have plummeted too.
That could be him growing up a little
@@kr3642 This should be a new rule of the internet, like rule 34 or rule 63.
"The longer a discussion about idubbbz and his terrible new content and persona persists on the internet, the higher the likelihood of one of his twitter using nufans mentions he "grew up""
Turkey Tom: Describing how Sky abused his girlfriend
Also Turkey Tom: Okay that was epic
I mean clogging the toilet so your gf its terrible and fucked up but funny af 😂
As Filthy Frank once beutifully said "Ravioli, Ravioli, what's in the pocketoli *intense slurp*"
Don't forget Corpse's first debut on BoyInABand's channel where he pulled a knife on Dave twice as a joke.
Wholesome content! Keep it up!
The "betrayal" thing wasn't actually that big of a blow against Spoony. I'll admit it was unprofessional, but Blistered Thumbs, the video game subsidiary of Channel Awesome, died a slow and painful death because the CA management didn't give it enough support. LordKat not getting the Notch interview is probably more the result of him being a nobody than anything, honestly. He was always a tiny and insignificant member of CA. His podcast This Week in Games barely used to crack more than 30 views and even fewer live viewers at any given time.
As to Spoony's tweet, it did drum up a lot of ill will toward him from other CA members. JesuOtaku forgave him, but then ObscurasLupa drudged the situation back up a month later in the middle of an argument with him, leading to a total meltdown on Twitter largely fueled by an at-the-time undiagnosed bipolar disorder. Spoony always sucked at taking criticism and it just got worse and worse over the years. (The two of them later privately settled their beef, and Lupa has a whole shady history of her own which I won't get into here.) But whether he got fired from CA or quit doesn't really matter. It IS true he was big enough to strike out on his own, making thousands of dollars on Patreon and through ad revenue on visits to his personal website The Spoony Experiment. No idea why Tom's applying a tone which isn't there when Spoony criticized CA after the fact. He's pretty nice in that clip Tom plays in this video and they remained on good terms, with Spoony even appearing in a few Nostalgia Critic videos after the final (proper) anniversary film To Boldly Flee.
Spoony stated he'd start work on a movie after reaching $5000 on his Patreon, and of course this is where things fell apart. He cracked under the pressure and stopped making regular videos outside of the very infrequent Live Wire streams, where he'd spend half the time sitting in silence and the other half screaming at his own fans. Over the past few years, his marriage fell apart, his dog passed away, he got into a car accident and failed to show up to the court date, then finally lost his house and moved back in with his parents in his 40s.
Things have very slightly been looking up for him, since he got interviewed by the guy from Phantasmagoria 2 and Live Wires have been more frequent, but he still owes his former fans sooooooo much that I doubt there will ever be a complete redemption arc.
You got me curious, what's this shady past obscurus lupa has? CA drama is interesting to read about, but info is really scarce because aside from Doug, Spoony and Linkara most of the "talents" were/are complete nobodies
@@relativedepression4604 She was a C-tier content creator that thought she was the queen of the site. She was a known shit-stirrer for years and her "Fired for not responding to a message withing 15 minutes" was more them grasping any excuse to fire her than the Walkers actually being bad.
Also the tweet fiasco has hints of her being buddy buddy with Spoony's vindictive ex.
Spoony Still makes me sad
@@Sianostrakarenrenren In other accounts, she even said it was actually two hours, not fifteen minutes. But yeah @Relative Depression there's a conspiracy that she colluded with Spoony's ex Scarlett to get him kicked from the website. Scarlett was a mod for The Spoony Experiment and deleted many comments, likely at Spoony's discretion, so she wasn't very well liked. They had a terrible breakup that put Spoony in a funk until he met April, who of course eventually left him.
Lupa was the main person behind the Change the Channel document, the infamous grievance list many former CA contributors lodged against the company. Many of the claims have since been debunked by various third parties. Lupa also later tried to act as gatekeeper for Power Rangers as she was watching the series for the first time and the community ousted her lol
I hope he really gets better health wise. He truly was ahead of his time.
great video as usual tom and yeah seems like majority of these folks just destroyed their fame etc etc
It's not just TH-cam, internet fame in general ruins a lot of people.
The only person who destroyed Idubbz reputation was………himself.
I wish Ian would grow up and realize it's okay for people to like things that he doesn't. Maybe he'll develop enough empathy to realize that it's more harmful to dismiss people for their cup of teas than it is to use edgy humor that only offends the bullies.
@@sunbeamesare you talking about racism? Like be specific when you talk about “cups of tea” cause it’s so vague. By “edgy” what are you talking about? Cause Ian didnt want to be racist or homophobic anymore and I’m trying to find out what’s so wrong about that.
I wish Ian would grow up and realize it’s okay for other people to like being racist and homophobic. Maybe he’ll develop enough empathy to realize that it’s more harmful to dismiss people for their racism and homophobia than it is to actually use racist and homophobic humor that offends bullies. (I fixed it for you because I haven’t seen him denouncing anything except his own racism and homophobia)
@@yojer275ify he never was racist or homophobic before. Now he's treating blacks and gays as delicate flowers. He also thinks because he's no longer interested in edgy humor, he's somehow "grown up", like an 11 year old that no longer likes pokemon grew up because "I don't like that baby stuff anymore"
If anything he regressed his maturity.
@@yojer275ifylol soft af. Go cry to a lawyer.
This video wasn't really what I thought it was. There were more people who, figuratively, shot themselves in the foot while embarrassing themselves, than most in this video. Bad coverage, there's just other people who did way more self-damage than these. Some of these are just people who fell off, not imploding as the title makes it seem.
the video will be too long wtf
@@blackroberts6290 ???? He drops hour long videos every week wtf are you talking about too long?
@@drown_n Welp, I don't watch them because too long lmao
being a fan as a teenager of filthyfrank, idubz, maxmoefoe, etc it feels good to see joji and the cold ones boys thriving. the only bad ending was for idubz but although i really dislike his way of handling things rn i hope he gets a good ending to
Good on Joji/Flight Frank for leaving while people were begging for more content rather than Ethan Klein and idubbz who continue to make content when their former fans say "quit already"
Joji/Frank leaving when he did in hindsight was such a smart transition. He left during the peak and didn’t drag or force the character too long, was when edgy content was getting nuked/becoming less culturally tolerated, made peace with his old fans and used pink guy as a method to practice for his music career.
Joji is the IRL version of a bollywood character stepping out of a fast moving car that then explodes, do a backflip, catch the damsel in distress midair and do a superhero landing. What a guy😄
I feel so bad for corpse…
Man just wants to live his life. And I know the feeling of hating your face. Having weirdos obsess over you because of your voice, doxx you and then have the audacity to play into your complexes by calling what may or may not be you ugly is just horrifically crooked and fucked up.
This is a big reason why I dont want to become too famous… People scare me.
The calling ugly part is like bullying back in school. People seriously dont grow up online, thinking their own anonymity shields them from all. Nobody deserves something like that and while I know it’s impossible, I wish something could be done about cases like Corpse to protect the victims
R.I.P, the Filthy Frank Show.
Maybe some day you'll return, but I doubt it.
thanks idubbz for introducing me to sam hyde 🙏🏻
I feel like what is happening to Idubbbz, happened to H3H3. They both made content that attracted offensive and crude humor fans, but both wanted to cut away from them and it almost seemed like a complete 180
For the record, they only cut away from the offensive and crude humor when it was no longer monetizable on TH-cam. It wasn't about growing up or maturing. It was about furthering their career on TH-cam.
@@8111y yeah that’s true. But it also really showed their more personal beliefs instead of playing their character
@@8111y That's a pessimistic opinion, not fact. It's far more common than you think for people to change their views and interests. I think we can all look back at a time even just three or four years ago and find we don't identify with actions we took, or things we were into.
@@8111yt’s almost like people can change to better themselves
@@pixelmaster9964sure they can. But Ethan and Ian haven't. Not one bit.
Idk why but my very first experience of FilthyFrank was the cake video and I instantly subscribed. It was just so absurd and unlike anything I had seen from TH-cam that I found it both entertaining and hilarious.
And then upon first hearing the pink guy raps, I just knew Joji was actually really talented with making music. I started listening to his music outside of Filthy Frank, and it just confirmed that even more. It was pretty much foreshadowing to his future success as a full fledged musician. It got me looking into his account on soundcloud and I added a good number of his favorites into my own playlist. That playlist would get me through all the rough times of working on numerous assignments in college.
Really glad he's been able to make an amazing transition despite the huge risks it took. He deserves the success. Hope he's doing well these days.
Joji is the definition of "dad lore" 💀💀💀💀
Corpse having imposter syndrome is a cruel act of irony
IMPOSTER AMONG US 🍖🫖⛽🚨🚘🏍🛻🚒🥊🪆🎴⛑☎️📕📮⛔‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️