TOPPOP: Diesel - Sausalito Summernight

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  • @J450N17
    @J450N17 3 ปีที่แล้ว +286

    My late grandfather Pim Koopman on drums, wish I had been old enough to appreciate his talent and music and learn from him when he was still around. Thanks to youtube I can at least appreciate his music now that I am older. RIP big man

    • @65raven
      @65raven 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      The drummer is tight! Love this song.

    • @quincee3376
      @quincee3376 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Nice. RIP to him.

    • @hervebacker7574
      @hervebacker7574 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I like this reaction, i try to imagine the feeling to discover your grandfather (or father) here on TH-cam. No chance to find my old men here, i am from '67 so aged 13 when this was in the "hitparade". Just discovering pop music and buying my first 45 singles.

    • @benthorne_
      @benthorne_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      One of my favourite drum tracks ever. Your grandfather was a legend!

    • @matthewdagnan3396
      @matthewdagnan3396 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Outstanding story, thanks for sharing! I'm a two bit bass player. Always loved the Rhythm section in this song. I think I'll have to try to work this thing up with my guys to honor your late grandfather my friend!

  • @85retrogirl
    @85retrogirl 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Loved this then, still slaps 43 years later...❤

    • @lokisan100
      @lokisan100 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, the first time I heard this, I loved it! Still do!

  • @Jon-KRS
    @Jon-KRS 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    When I listen to this CLASSIC for the thousand time my neighbors love it so much they throw bricks through my windows so they can hear it better…..🤘🏼

    • @susanazinger2525
      @susanazinger2525 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      😂😂😂✌️

    • @lokisan100
      @lokisan100 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @pascalvanaubel1602
    @pascalvanaubel1602 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    One of the most americain sounding songs ever. I think that the most people don't know it's a dutch band.

    • @johnvanhal2450
      @johnvanhal2450 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nowadays, maybe. Back then everyone knew they were Dutch. Because shows like TopPop existed and we all stayed home to watch it.

    • @RushianRichard
      @RushianRichard ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Echt? Ben muzikaal in de 70's en 80's opgegroeid en dit is altijd een favoriet van me gebleven. Klinkt idd ERG Amerikaans wat ik juist daarom zo mooi vind. Uitspraak en sound zijn geweldig. 🤩👍

    • @J450N17
      @J450N17 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I remember them saying that it was a great international song but the one place it didnt hit well was ironically Sausalito! 😂

    • @sub222marathon
      @sub222marathon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      T5​@@johnvanhal2450

    • @DouglasLonestar-bz7im
      @DouglasLonestar-bz7im 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Wow never knew they were dutch , I thought they were from California, was there a Van Halen cousin in the band ?

  • @ernieeusebio5204
    @ernieeusebio5204 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Great song! What's notable about this video is the location of the drummer, the angle much of the video is shot that includes the drummer, and the three or four good close-ups of the drummer. Most music videos tend to give little camera time to the drummer, which in my opinion is one of the more interesting band members to watch. Drummers don't get enough camera love, but this one did!

  • @bgfootlover2
    @bgfootlover2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Peaked at #25 Billboard this week in November 1981, 40 years ago. Excellent ear candy!

  • @tedbrazee7948
    @tedbrazee7948 4 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    This is the kind of tune that goes over and over in your mind all day....in a good way.!!

  • @mitchrobinson3076
    @mitchrobinson3076 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    This song brings back memories of a simpler more innocent time. I love it.

  • @DonByronDukeoftheArctic
    @DonByronDukeoftheArctic 2 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I bought this on vinyl over 40 years ago. I still have it. I bought it on cassette. I still have it. I finally found it on cd.

    • @alessandrodecarli2462
      @alessandrodecarli2462 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wow! Great!

    • @mrconancat
      @mrconancat 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This album is a gaping hole in my vinyl collection!

  • @josiespringfield4808
    @josiespringfield4808 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    We blew a gasket on the Grapevine and $80 on repairs, love those lyrics.

    • @stitchgirl9741
      @stitchgirl9741 21 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      My favorite is "another mile or two to Frisco, 200 gallons from LA, the engine's thumping like a disco, we oughtta dump her in the bay " 😂

  • @xtc1957
    @xtc1957 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Damn... the best rock tunes of 1980--one of my favorites. The main riff is so damned cool, and the guitar solo is really...greasy!

  • @jorgesosa7004
    @jorgesosa7004 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    I used to play them on the radio in the 80s . Good song for ever!.

  • @mikekathyjuleff8013
    @mikekathyjuleff8013 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I am 64 and I jam on my porch.

  • @e-care-books9867
    @e-care-books9867 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Probablyyyyy.... my fave song by a Dutch band about road-trippin' in the U.S. :) :)

  • @ProfesionalPAC
    @ProfesionalPAC ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Dude, i have 35 years old and enjoy everytime this masterpiece

  • @michaelg3074
    @michaelg3074 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This band talented group of singers/song writers/players should have been bigger.
    These guys could really compose.

  • @louismommers6317
    @louismommers6317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Dutch band, Diesel rocks

    • @elrastrillo1
      @elrastrillo1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dutch band,Shell Diesel ⛽😂

    • @berzerker1100
      @berzerker1100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​​@@elrastrillo1Orale pues, simón, Rock on !💥💣🤣✌️

  • @JeffTheNebraskaDJ
    @JeffTheNebraskaDJ หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ANOTHER TIMELESS CLASSIC! 80"S MUSIC RULES!! the dj

  • @mikekathyjuleff8013
    @mikekathyjuleff8013 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Love this song, my late husband and I listened to this song every time it played on the radio. Now it is on TH-cam.

  • @stevemcdaniel1985
    @stevemcdaniel1985 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I used to love this song wen it came out. I had forgotten about wen i stopped at a gas station and heard it over 30 yrs later. Ill never forget about it now. I have it on 6 different playlist. Great song 4ever!!!

  • @09meangirl
    @09meangirl ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I turn this up and cruise on my Harley 😎🎼🏍️

  • @HelenTudor-Douglas
    @HelenTudor-Douglas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I well remember Oct. 1980 & my little apartment in Tampa. And THIS GREAT Diesel song was brand new. Now that's 41 yrs ago!? I guarantee U, they didn't play songs from 1940 back in 1980, that hold up as well as this song does 41 yrs later! : )

    • @01adhdave
      @01adhdave 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Nice comparison and damn right.

    • @contactohn7982
      @contactohn7982 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      And they sure didnt play 1900s music in 1940! We are the lucky ones

  • @crystalheartstar
    @crystalheartstar 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Haven't heard this song in ages! High school drill team used to dance to this

    • @Silverado_350
      @Silverado_350 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      same here !! Cheers

  • @jeffburnham6611
    @jeffburnham6611 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    What I like about bands like this, even for the early 1980's, the drummer just has a basic drum kit and it works just fine. Same with bands from the 1960's and 1970's. If you have talent you don't need such a large drum kit.

    • @MMurphy-bj2vq
      @MMurphy-bj2vq ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly!

    • @playonkorg
      @playonkorg 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      'The larger the exhaust, the smaller your thing'

  • @leemark63
    @leemark63 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Pop Rock at it's best. Perfect.👏

  • @jrn2121
    @jrn2121 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Johan Cruyff and Diesel….. Dutch legends!!

  • @janetmiller2980
    @janetmiller2980 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Still a great song about a very common occurrence

  • @mikeveis9188
    @mikeveis9188 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Still great in 2024.

  • @alessandrodecarli2462
    @alessandrodecarli2462 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This riff is so catchy and difficult at the same time! To make it sounds clearly as it deserves you got to have skills!

  • @chrishess1312
    @chrishess1312 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Fantastic song from my youth

  • @JaneDoughTouche
    @JaneDoughTouche 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Classic song by a classic band.

  • @scotty2680
    @scotty2680 11 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Great riff. Unique time signature.

    • @seanwagoner4160
      @seanwagoner4160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      This comment is old but it’s normal 4/4, why you would think this is a unique time signature makes me want to smash my head in with a baseball bat

    • @jjtcorsair
      @jjtcorsair 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@seanwagoner4160 Give him a break, the accents are on the offbeat so he thought it was...odd.

  • @cunn9305
    @cunn9305 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sophomore year .. to this day remember the first time I heard this hanging out with some friends in the basement ... good times

  • @susanralph274
    @susanralph274 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i was in sausalito when this came out, on a trip with my friend and her parents. it was the best song ever

  • @steveferguson823
    @steveferguson823 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Go class of 1981

  • @taylormach1699
    @taylormach1699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    One of my favorite songs of all times.

  • @soultownlansing4746
    @soultownlansing4746 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Okay, haven't thought about this one in about 80 years. Wow.

  • @googa319
    @googa319 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thank you Spotify ya little tease for slipping this banger in my playlist. Made my day

  • @lilgrease7292
    @lilgrease7292 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Trucking out west jamming to this classic!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @WhisperVoyeur
    @WhisperVoyeur 11 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    the drummer was givin' it ! catchy track

  • @johnsteedmi5
    @johnsteedmi5 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    uffff what beautiful memories of 1980 when I was just a child

  • @modellboy
    @modellboy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Sad that for shows like top of the pops etc. the bands always had to shorten their songs. Half of the intro and the solos is missing. Was the same with GNR Sweet child of mine…

  • @ellzedd4113
    @ellzedd4113 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wow huge rush of nostalgia. Great memories while life was still innocent. A blind date in a vintage car hearing this song felt like we were forever young.

  • @frankullrich2277
    @frankullrich2277 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ❤super gute Laune Song

  • @lolbroh
    @lolbroh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hou van dit nummer! Nederlandse band en alles wat t nummer heeft dat bij mij Non-stop repeat draai net als de bekende nummers van Dire straits en the Rolling stones - Start me up! Heerlijk! ik ben 25 en ben in de verkeerde tijd geboren.

  • @acdfus
    @acdfus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have the record album . Love it

  • @cynthia6919
    @cynthia6919 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I loved this song growing up?

  • @TheDutchPathFinder1
    @TheDutchPathFinder1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Can't get enough of this summervibe.......

  • @KimberlyCaldwell-wd3jy
    @KimberlyCaldwell-wd3jy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Classic song by a classic band. ❤

  • @larryclark9920
    @larryclark9920 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sounds just like the studio verson..........

  • @MrHoefnix
    @MrHoefnix 5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Steve Miller is crossing my mind.

    • @robertclark6349
      @robertclark6349 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      He was one of their main influences.

    • @garydevoid9323
      @garydevoid9323 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Dude I tried for years to figure out who this was. I knew part of the lyrics, called radio stations back in the day everyone told me no clue buddy. I actually thought it was Joe Walsh. But thank you for posting and ending my search. And letting me know it wasn't some phantom song I'd dreamed up lol 😎👍

    • @louismommers6317
      @louismommers6317 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@garydevoid9323 diesel is a dutch band.

    • @ogam5
      @ogam5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ......CROSSED with Pablo Cruise.....

    • @TheBillyKmusic
      @TheBillyKmusic 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      When I first heard it, I thought this song was a track from "Book of Dreams".

  • @LeHan1972
    @LeHan1972 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    И тут НАШИ отличились)))классный музон,кстати профессионально играют...мне понравилось,как сейчас модно говорить:ЗАШЛО!!!

  • @TheOzzman0156
    @TheOzzman0156 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hilarious lyrics! Yeah, when your engine thumps like a disco it's time to flush it! Never heard this before and I'm 68!

    • @billscheitzach601
      @billscheitzach601 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Wonder how many kids nowadays would get the reference to "your Rambler". AMC (which took over Rambler) ain't been around since forever.

  • @RobSpruyt
    @RobSpruyt 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Definitely on my feel good list

  • @Hr.0ldenberg
    @Hr.0ldenberg 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Aus meinem damaligen jungen Leben eine schöne Erinnerung 👍👍

  • @beraniden
    @beraniden 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    No 1 in lots off US states , no 33 in Holland !! where they came from ;)

    • @franciscorodeghiero3679
      @franciscorodeghiero3679 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Number 1 in Canada, also!!!!!

    • @desiderious1
      @desiderious1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Interesting a Dutch band has a hit song singing about traveling to an American city.

  • @mikeveis9188
    @mikeveis9188 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great harmony vocals

  • @johnadams8
    @johnadams8 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    that one is the best.

  • @rjillidge3
    @rjillidge3 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Sounds like Steve Miller Band.

  • @_leandro_borges_
    @_leandro_borges_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    this particular song reminds me a little bit of frank zappa stuffs, anyway, great song!

  • @madelinewhitley14
    @madelinewhitley14 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Minus them cutting out a few very little parts in this song in this video, still pretty good.

  • @GlenPlumlee-c9r
    @GlenPlumlee-c9r 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    So these guys and Edward and Alex Van Halen are from the same place? Interesting 😊

  • @mauriciocotapos313
    @mauriciocotapos313 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excelente tema

  • @simonecasadei7636
    @simonecasadei7636 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Classic Rock a grandi livelli, intramontabile

  • @rogertemple7193
    @rogertemple7193 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "I'd rather have songs like this run through my head all day than anything that comes out these days,
    and those annoying music from the tv commercials especially great songs they exploit in their ads
    just to sell pharmaceutical products,uh sorry to ramble.".

  • @HenrikBarteldspsy
    @HenrikBarteldspsy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great song

  • @slugdaluga
    @slugdaluga 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great riff

  • @peck404
    @peck404 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Thought this was Chilliwack!!🌞🌞 Wow. Time capsule 🎤🎤🎤toke up feel this one hit. Wonder

    • @ogam5
      @ogam5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      .....it and "My Girl (Gone, Gone, Gone)" were released at almost the same time then.....

  • @ricaard
    @ricaard 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I hated when record companies started cutting parts out of songs to make them more "commercial friendly."

  • @HG08g-cn5kt
    @HG08g-cn5kt ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When I first heard this song, I used to belive it the new song of The Police😅

  • @ErickEscobar-w3p
    @ErickEscobar-w3p 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Que clásico del recuerdo

  • @sandraspruill4831
    @sandraspruill4831 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    WOOHOOT DUTCHIES!!!

  • @christianphoenix1
    @christianphoenix1 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    DIESEL
    "SAUSALITO SUMMERNIGHT"
    *ON THE ROCKS (c)1980

  • @orksplace81
    @orksplace81 11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome!! thanks for posting!

  • @nxd010
    @nxd010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ❤️❤️❤️❤️🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿❤️❤️❤️❤️ beautiful song 👍🏻💪🏼

  • @antestiusleontius3774
    @antestiusleontius3774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's shameful that no director has yet picked this song up and slammed it into a truck movie.....

  • @markkalfahs1047
    @markkalfahs1047 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    .....why wasn't this video, or something similar, ever on MTV?....yes, kids, MTV used to be awesome in the great 80's.....

  • @LostButMakingGoodTime
    @LostButMakingGoodTime 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Top of the Pops was famous for its lip-syncing and “instrumentals” that made Elvis Presley movie songs look real. 😂😂 But these guys did a pretty amazing job with it. Great song!

  • @terecastro-saldana517
    @terecastro-saldana517 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    DUDE❗️❗️
    Just discovered this SUPER C🅾️🅾️L track on #SIRIUSXM on a 80’s SUMMER chanel with MTV’s MARK GOODMAN.
    #DIESEL
    #TOTALLYRAD
    #SAUSALITO
    #EIGHTIES
    #80s

  • @frankbeuming5818
    @frankbeuming5818 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes .. Super!!

  • @desiderious1
    @desiderious1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Classic one hit wonder.

    • @larsvanmoer453
      @larsvanmoer453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      One hit wonder in the USA and Canada, I suppose, but in their native Netherlands this was their third hit. Their first hit in their home country was "Going back to China" : th-cam.com/video/9yaNKJD5RiM/w-d-xo.html Greetings from Belgium

    • @desiderious1
      @desiderious1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@larsvanmoer453 Thank you for the info Lars. Until recently I thought they were American because they sing about an American city.

    • @chrisfurius
      @chrisfurius 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Many 'one hit wonders' exist because people were lazy and only listened to what was played on the radio and/or what was released as a single. God forbid they actually buy the album and see what else is on it.

  • @dimadimov713
    @dimadimov713 ปีที่แล้ว

    Дизель(Diesel)--написано на футболке по-русски 👌

  • @rbilleaud
    @rbilleaud 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I always thought it was funny, a Dutch band singing about spending the summer in California. Did a nice job, though. If you didn't know any better, you'd think these guys came from the US. Music is like that. I put out a TH-cam channel that covers early jazz in Europe and there was a lot that cross-pollination going on with what is essentially an American art form crossing over like that.

  • @andrerenault
    @andrerenault 7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's surprising how much they edited out to make the song shorter for TopPop.

  • @Nordwestkreuzer
    @Nordwestkreuzer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Sounds Like a track from the GTA Radio Stations 🎵

    • @arandomhobbychannel6718
      @arandomhobbychannel6718 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      YES, i was just thinking that, i play on pc, so you can add songs to the radio, i might ad this to my existing playlist.

  • @mauriciocotapos313
    @mauriciocotapos313 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    👏👏👏👏👏

  • @markriva4259
    @markriva4259 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great to see this video but I can barely hear it.

    • @robbieb7565
      @robbieb7565 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      This one sounds better. th-cam.com/video/KbVU4ogV66E/w-d-xo.html

  • @thomaslittle8565
    @thomaslittle8565 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I bv think it was a little to much for alot of radio play. I was 19 at the time and even my mom loved this song.

  • @danischeel4846
    @danischeel4846 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    OMG!! The lead singer is soooo hot!

  • @JCBullock1959
    @JCBullock1959 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Silly point but it bugs me how low the mike is for the lead vocalist - it's like TOTP couldn't be bothered to adjust it.

    • @craighastings578
      @craighastings578 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It is because it doesn't matter it is all Staged Lip Syncing in that era, Notice the Instruments have no cords attached. This was done for a few reasons, Mainly people were familiar with the Radio versions of the songs, and a Live recording might not sound the same shows like TOP were all about promoting the single. It was done for consistency.

  • @lukewarmwater5320
    @lukewarmwater5320 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is such an epic song cut to shit with fuckin' radio edits...

  • @Marshall-uy2dv
    @Marshall-uy2dv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is kind of a hokie song but those guys were some killer musicians!

    • @Marshall-uy2dv
      @Marshall-uy2dv 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @mark maietta Sorry man it is hokie good but hokie.Great musicians though especially the guitar player, don't know if he's still alive but that is some killer stuff! Very complex! You don't have to call someone an idiot for having a little different opinion than your own I think that was a little rude and over-the-top!

  • @markkalfahs1047
    @markkalfahs1047 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ....are we sure this isn't The Mosquitos from their episode on Gilligan's Island?....i mean, maybe they are specialists producing electric guitar sounds/music without the aid of electricity?......

    • @kindafoggy
      @kindafoggy 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hoping we wouldn't notice. Probably explains the low light and lack of spots on the Mark Boon the whole time or the electrical engineer for this place was way overpaid and didn't know how to program the set up.

  • @Slyck255
    @Slyck255 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where's the keyboardist?

  • @brodusclay2012
    @brodusclay2012 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jaja top nummer

  • @echohunter4199
    @echohunter4199 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    If you’ve driven up the north side of grapevine during the summer you’ll know exactly what it’ll do to an older car with no water in the radiator.

  • @productplacement39
    @productplacement39 ปีที่แล้ว

    I guess the Beach Boys wished that they had written and recorded this song.

  • @MJODENG
    @MJODENG 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Rakt Över Disc

  • @MarcPols
    @MarcPols 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was de verlichting in de studio kapot?

  • @pabloandrescaceresserrano263
    @pabloandrescaceresserrano263 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So Was they a Dutch music band? This song is eternal, but this explain a lot of things, because Sausalito never was a cool place for young people, honestly. Sausalito is for calm, old families, I think