Zhiyun Weebill Lab + Sony G Master 16-35 2.8 (HEAVY LENS!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 ต.ค. 2024
- Today, I'm answering ONE question: Should you buy the Zhiyun Weebill Lab to use with a full frame camera and heavy lens (like the GM 16-35 2.8)?
The Weebill Lab might be great for small camera setups, like crop bodies or with lightweight prime lenses, but can it handle a heavier rig? Zhiyun rates the max weight at 6.6lbs and claims that the a7iii + GM 16-35 2.8 can be used, but that may be questionable.
→Official Zhiyun compatible camera/lens chart: bit.ly/2DQ7l1k
→Gear in this video:
Zhiyun Weebill Lab
Sony a7iii
Sony G Master 16-35mm 2.8
You might be the first person on TH-cam not paid by Zhiyun
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100% Accurate hahaha
that what make zhiyun expensive. they pay everyone who say something good about they product
I own A7III + 16-35 GM and I was thinking to pick this gimbal... You have saved me !!
Me too
I hadnt your luck. I bought this product and try to use with 24-70 MG. I struggled so much with the balance and the weakness of the motors :(
The music is too loud, unfortunately ;-)
Is that your only complaint? smdh
sorry I’ll do better next time 😭😭😭
BessFilms Yes, that is my only complaint. Sorry, that giving some constructive criticism doesn‘t fit your mood.
Alchemy Visual No problem! Thanks for the video anyways! I got one as well :)
@Markie Dunn I'm sure this would work beautifully for the a6000 series.
Guys, check the counterweight from small rig, specially made for zhiyun weebill lab. With those you can move camera forward and they are cheap. Although I'm still not sure, to buy weebill lab or moza air 2. Both are amazing, but I like the master package of Zhiyun.. 🤔
Nice to see an honest review. Was going to purchase one in a few hours but this review changed my mind. Thanks for posting.
Thanks for this! Almost bought it for this set up!
WOW. this is such a game saver.
I was almost tempted to upgrade my Zhiyun Crane V2 because of the same problem with my RX10 MKIII.
It appears that the weebill lab isn't any exemption to the problem I've had.
Okay guys here is my progress and I hope this will help. EOS R + 40mm f/2.8 (pancake) works great! Good clearance for the eye piece. This is a great combo. Please note ZY Play does not work on Android. Firmware update not possible on Android. NO Canon camera is being supported at this point in time, which also means you will not get full function of the Weebill, it will just work as a very basic gimbal, function only exist based on what is built into the gimbal.
You need to do the firmware update with apple and then it will work on android.
Thanks for Saving Me! Great video! I don’t want to hate or anything but maybe turn the music volume down a little bit next time. Apart from that Great Video!
+Alchemy Visual You can get it to perfectly balance using some counter weight at the rear of the camera. I have my a7iii and 16-35gm working great on my weebill with great results and no strain on the motors. If you would like to know how I set mine up, let me know.
Could you share some experience? Have you removed the eyepiece? How much of counterweight you have used: 100 or 200g?
More info would be great. I have the same combo with gh5... Same issue and I'm overseas for 2 months with it not having tested it out before I left....
Following up on my other comment here. I used someone’s advice and tried my 16-35mm without that little riser plate on the base plate. The one with two screws. The lens sits closer to the base plate this way and has more head room for the gimbal motor to clear. With this method I was able to handle a 16-35mm no problem. Had to use a friends as I sold mine because I thought it wouldn’t work. You should give this a try and do a follow up vid. I believe this solves the issue and no counter balance weights required.
Did you use the 16-35 F4 or 2.8?
best review on the internet, thanks for your honesty. and yes i agree with everyone about the music. i'd rather none tbh
I was able to balance the 16-35 GM with the Weebill by reversing the mounting plate. I posted some photos and a video here: heyengel.com/zhiyun-weebill-lab-sony-16-35-gm
A very useful video. This was totally going to be my setup but will now skip the weebil lab and look at alternatives. Thankyou.
I returned my Sigma 18-35 for the exact same reason. I then bought the Panny 12-35 and it all works perfect on the GH5. Side note, I also ordered from B&H and I received the phone holder.
Looking at this exact setup. Thanks for the helpful info.
reduce ur background music, it was very irritating. cont get ur voice
You need the new base plate from Smallrig designed specifically for the Weebill, add the counterweights and voila your camera and lens will be balanced..
GJ vernon Yes I’ve seen that. My real problem here is that that *according to Zhiyun* this should work fine out of the box..... and it simply doesn’t.
Have you tried those counterweights with a similar setup? Could you share your experience?
Garant G Unforunstely those weren’t available when I purchased the Wheebil so I didn’t have a chance to try it.
@@AlchemyVisualyoutube I was thinking about those counterweights... but what about the motors? more wheigt, more motor wobbling??
I have tried the counter balance set up. I pre ordered and received a few weeks ago. It super bulky with a new base plate and hard to balance. Wasn’t impressed. I love my weebill lab because it’s super compact for travel. I’ve changed to the zeiss prime lens set of 18mm, 40mm and 85mm and this gimbal handles them all. With the crop option I have two focal lengths in one on every lens. Not ideal but for the small size and I can fit it all in a back pack with external monitor and a small drone.... can’t beat it for travel. I also purchased this set up with the intent of using with my g master 2.8 16-35 and ended up selling the lens. I’m happy over after the learning curve. It did suck though
great review thanks, was getting this gimbal for that same set-up, key word "was". thx again
Good review....I was about to swap my A6500 to A7III but the lab 3 is better for A7. I wanted portability so stuck with A6500
Great video, i have the same problem with my Blackmagic Cinema Pocket 4k the motor just give up while recording...VERY MISLEADING PRODUCT from Zhiyun.
Thank you for the HONEST review. I wonder how the Sony A7iii+Sony 24mm f1.4 would do. With aps-c crop and clear zoom on the A7iii you end up with 24mm, 36mm, and 54mm or with the Batis 18mm f2.8 you would have 18mm, 27mm and 40.5mm.
OrganicFarmer No problem. On paper I would think the a7iii and 24mm 1.4 would work well, but I was just so shocked on how weak the motors actually are in practice I would definitely test it before you buy (if you can). I think the 18mm (and maybe 40mm) is significantly lighter so that might work better.
@@AlchemyVisualyoutube great advice....if I purchase it I will make sure they have a good return policy.
@@AlchemyVisualyoutube Motors arent that weak, you have not set the motor strenght inside the gimbal. as that setup be lighter than my GH5 with 18-35mm f1.8 which has no issue at all and needed motor strenght to set to strong. As light they have really made it can handle even super light cams like rx100, but if set on light wont handle the weight of your setup.
@@chungdha I did set it to strong. Still has issues unfortunately.
Dude I'm right there with you!! I experienced the same problem with the Zeiss 16-35 F4 using a manfrotto quick-release plate, which is actually even lighter than the G master! I've been pulling my hair for the past 2 days trying to make it work correctly. I mean, it does work (without the quick-release), but I need the quick-release for my workflow. I've gotten it to work (does not balance right though) and it gives out after extended use. Definitely NOT a reliable set up, I am frustrated with this purchase as well and for something that advertises to handle 6+ pounds it is truly disappointing.
Hi thanks. Do you happen to have the sony/zeiss distagon 35 1.4 to try if it has the same issue? Can you put some extra weight behind the camera to balance the front heaviness? Anyway please get rid of the music next time, too loud, not cool! Thanks!
Thankz for showing man I have the sigma 85mn art and it's 3 pounds. I have the zhiyun crane plus an face the same problem. I was interested in the weebill for this reason and you made it clear it's useless so I stick with my crane with lighter lenses and buy a small rig to get at least a better hold for handheld
I felt like I really got screwed on this deal with my EOS R + 16-35mm f/2.8L setup, I will have to try and get counter weight for it.
Hey Thanks for this info. I have the A7R2 with the Sony GM 85MM 1.4 lens. Vortex mode.. not happening at all. Motors give out. Set weight is 3.1lbs. definitely not 6.6.
Should we get the Crane 3 then?
What are you using now? think the weebil s will support it?
Apparently if you press and hold the POV button it cuts the motors so you can make adjustments. Is this why its cutting out as I can see you're holding it high up where the controls are?
Weird, I was able to balance this easily with the 16-35 GM. but yeah, you have to walk slowly to get smooth footage for that lens. but still workable. you just have to avoid long lenses that are longer than 700 grams. The GM works well with the 50 1.4 which is fatter and heavier, but shorter and also the 35 F1.4 which is also about the same weight.
Thank you for this video. I just bought a Canon R6 (bigger than your Sony) and I couldn't balance it with the 24-70. I thought I was doing something wrong but now I see is just a bad design. I'll have to upgrade to Ronin S...
However I should say that your camera is not correctly balance as can be seen in minute 3:01
Did you adjust the motor settings to allow the gimbal to operate the larger payload? Possibly this is why your camera is not being supported well. Let us know?
scsiboy5 Yes I adjusted the motor settings appropriately.
Great review. Any chance of testing with the Sony FE 24-70 GM f/2.8?
The 24-70 2.8 is larger and heavier than the 16-35 2.8 so it definitely won't work. :(
@@AlchemyVisualyoutube Thanks for the reply :-) Yeah, that is a pity. Seems like it will be the Ronin S for me for now.
It cant handle it because the weebill has a tiny frame. Really only works with sony aps-c and full frame with light primes. Stay away from weebill lab its just not worth 600$. It still has alot of problems with it
Jimmy Hidalgo Zhiyun says this exact setup should work fine out of the box. I have no problem if they advertise this for use with small cameras but they outright say that this combination is supported.
Alchemy Visual it works but the gimbal kinda struggles due to the small frame
I'm running the a6500 + the sigma 18-35 Canon. And just ordered this not sure how it will fit
Same here. A bit disappointed about the payload and the performance. Even the 24-105 is to heavy, I have a better performance with my V2
Dawid Gajdosz Totally agree. I loved the v2 and Plus. I *thought* this would be an improved version.
This is exactly what I was looking for. I want to fly my 16-35GM. My crane 1 just barely makes it but I see that this is even worse. Thanks for the info!
BLC No problem. Thanks for watching!
Get some counter weights? Also setting the motors too high can cause problems.
I was looking to balance the Mitakon Speedmaster on this... guess its not the right gimbal
honestly I just find only two video with true words about this gimbal. All others movie are just big marketing ballon. Thanks I watch this. ps with that loud music was horrible to watch. Take care and good luck
Thanks for this, useful info on weebil
Sergey Egorkin thanks for watching
Informative video well put together. Suggestion....lower the volume on your background music, it's distracting.
Exactly why I chose to buy the crane 2 ☺️
I also heard many people mentioned that its payload is less than it is public, really not a good design of its plate.
Thank you,After watch your video,I wouldn't buy Weebill any more!and the price are really expensive,it not worth that price.do you have any other gimbal could be introduce to us?
Thanks for sharing. Will send mine back unopened because of it.
I have to say thank you I almost bought this gimbal however my camera weight with lense is 4lbs and I don't want this gimbal I guess dji it is even tho I love the handle option for low shots. SMH.
The plate touching the lens is actually a issue with Sony products as the lens protrudes and is not level with the camera, same happens to manfrotto plates
Navpreet Singh For some reason this was not an issue with other Zhiyun gimbals. I’ve previously used this combination on the Crane v2, Crane Plus, and Crane 2 without the lens touching.
This could have been the best gimbal yet, but it suffers from the same thing most other gimbals do, a very small cage i.e. no way to pull the camera back without hitting the motor. I love some of the features like quick release handles, very small in size.
Couldn't they simply made it an inch, inch and a half larger, ah...
Yeah I'm canceling my order ASAP
BessFilms probably for the best 😪
Useful video but music is WAY too loud and annoying. People are watching this because they want to know what your thoughts are. Keep it up :)
Moza Air2 the best in latest for this Sony combination
thank you, you saved me!
you can use the extra head to make it not hit the lens. 1:02
i think it can work of balance but the batteries drown quick because the motors are tiny but enough strong
i have the old beholder ec1 and it can fly with sony a7rii in cage 8sinn with sony 35 1.4 zeiss of balance ,when i don't have time for perfect balance.
Hi what setup do you use, I am in the search for a gimbal for my a7r2 with the sony zeiss distagon 35 1.4 and seems nobody use this lens. I will try a crane plus soon I like it as light as possible, do you have some info about this setup or any setup?
Just tried the alpha III with a Sigma 14mm 1.8 ..... a complete failure😂 sigh...
I use it with the sonya6300 and 18-105 g master, very heavy lens, works perfect
The bg music too loud bro
i have same issue. i should 've watched this viedo before buying this gimbal.
Ya same here :( now I am trying out counter weight as a solution.
Me too i may have to sell it
I'm gonna use a non zoom lens for this gimbal.
@@peterlim5744 I recommend that 40mm f/2.8 cheap and sharp edge to edge wide open, this is my current setup EOS-R/EF-R adapter with the 40mm f/2.8 pancake.
A mic etc etc, u can counterweight it easily, just do more reasearche
Check MOZA Air 2
I guess you dont know how to set up properly. Weebill Lab works fine on my Sony A7 III + FE 16-35mm f2.8
Jun Huat Wong Yes, it works good on mine too.. also tried Zeiss 16-35 F4, Zeiss 55 1.8 & 28mm F 2.0, works well 👌
Hey can you put together a video on how you balanced it? Looking at this set up as well.
@@BobbyL I have no time lolll. Anyway, dont use the additional base for your camera, it makes your camera unbalanced. I did the same as this video then it cannot be balanced. But after I removed the base then it works. Of course, the camera has to be pushed almost all the way back (still got around 0.5cm gap) and the rubber on the view finder has to be removed too.
Jun Huat Wong how does the footage look with the 16-35?
@@BobbyL you may check this video out. th-cam.com/video/L8dpoZWDjUk/w-d-xo.html
Your device isnt balanced correctly. From what I can see, the pitch is off. Check out Momentum Productions, he does a great job teaching you how to correctly balance your gimbal.
I know it doesn't seem it from the video, but trust me when I say it was balanced properly. The motors act bizarre and "fail" causing the camera to move in weird ways.
@@AlchemyVisualyoutube weird. I can balance mine with a load of 7lbs. My heaviest setup is a smallrig l bracket with 85 1.4 gmaster and Rhode mic and didnt experience your issues.
@@mouahmong I'm glad that setup worked for you. My issue is really not just about weight, but how the weight is distributed. The GM 16-35 2.8 lens is very front heavy, which requires the camera body to be back very far on the tray. It may seem unfair that I'm criticizing Zhiyun over this, but they specifically say that the 16-35 2.8 and a7iii will work no problem.
You didn't change the motors setting to strong
3:32 yes he did
He only said it not show, he might think he had set it but not pressed extra confirm to really choose it. As I had GH5 with Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 on it with no issue and also 5D4 with 24-70mm f2.8 with no issue either. As him saying hear motors and feeling it trembling is issue on not right motor setting or he is unlucky with a faulty unit.
@Alchemy Visual can you verify your motors were set to High? A lot of conflicting information in the comments. Thanks man.
@@KramTurbine Motors were definitely set to high.
that's why people returnig weebill lab!!!
1:04 😻😻😻
This gimbal is totally useless,try turn off inbody stabilizer for recognize problem
Sony a7iii with Tamron 28-75? thanks
Jeff Barlow It may balance, but based on my experience with these motors, i don’t think you’ll have great performance out of it. Motors seem pretty whimpy, despite their claims.
thanks, pretty sure i am going to get the Moza Air 2 at this point .@@AlchemyVisualyoutube
@@jeffb4071 yeah my APS-C Sigma 16mm balanced & performed great on my Sony A7III, however, my Tamron 28-75mm feels like it's pushing it. I'm not a gimbal balancing Jedi so I'll be keeping an eye out on any TH-cam videos showing the Tamron 28-75 + the Weebill Lab, but so far I'm getting hiccups.
@@WORKOBEYFILMS i got a7iii + 28 75 tamron and it was working great on weebill so dont worry.
@@shaochinkao1254 I'll keep practicing! Thank you fo sho
Thanks for making this video. I'll skip on buying this
why is the music so loud man
Spreken ze Vurm 😭😭😭
Thanks for the video Alchemy, I had this problem with even the lighter Tamron 28-75 and I had to return it and get the Ronin-s instead
th-cam.com/video/tqsRQxbOJ3w/w-d-xo.html
yes true I have noticed The motors are weak.
dude your music is WAY to loud
This is a horrible review i have the same set up and it works, its not the ideal setup but it defiantly works. i dont use the spacer plate and can use every mood the weebill lab with this setup. i record music video and it works
Ace JB Thanks for the comment. I’d be interested in seeing a video.
Counter-weights
It was a giant pain to do lmfao oh my so hard downvote
horrible music
Thanks so much for this comment. It definitely hasn't been mentioned before since this was posted so I appreciate you letting me know!
Lmao watching Sony users cry is funny af. I have a GH5s with a 18-35mm works great 😇
Najee Films LLC it’s the price you pay for full frame. Big sensor = big lenses
A very useful video. This was totally going to be my setup but will now skip the weebil lab and look at alternatives. Thankyou.