Gita. 15.16 द्वाविमौ पुरुषौ लोके क्षरश्चाक्षर एव च । क्षर: सर्वाणि भूतानि कूटस्थोऽक्षर उच्यते ॥ १६ ॥ dvāv imau puruṣau loke kṣaraś cākṣara eva ca kṣaraḥ sarvāṇi bhūtāni kūṭa-stho ’kṣara ucyate Synonyms dvau - two; imau - these; puruṣau - living entities; loke - in the world; kṣaraḥ - fallible; ca - and; akṣaraḥ - infallible; eva - certainly; ca - and; kṣaraḥ - fallible; sarvāṇi - all; bhūtāni - living entities; kūṭa-sthaḥ - in oneness; akṣaraḥ - infallible; ucyate - is said. Translation There are two classes of beings, the fallible and the infallible. In the material world every living entity is fallible, and in the spiritual world every living entity is called infallible.
No doubt Srila Prabhupada Maharaja and Gour Govnda Maharja are pure devotees of the highest degree. On the other hand, most of us are conditioned souls and not able to grasp everything They said. Until we become pure, we'll never fully understand certain points these Paramahamsas made. Better we keep on chanting and not commit Vaishnava apradha.🙏🙏🙏
. . . a devotee in the transcendental abode of the Lord never falls. (Bhag. 3.15.48, purp.) After finishing their mock fighting, both the devotee and the Lord are again associated in the spiritual planets. That is very explicitly explained here. The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode. (Bhag. 3.16.26, purp.)
we r nitya daas , we have swarup , so does that mean i was in goloka (no thats material logic) Forgetfullness can only happen in *Tatashtha Shakti Jivas* (forgetfulness = when there is touch of 2 things) no maya in goloka everyone is relishing higher rasa (param drishtvani vartate) acharyas say *anadibahirmukh* (when we forget its beginning cant be traced out)
Jaya and Vijaya because they were cursed to do so. And we can also see from this point of view that the Supreme Lord wanted to show His pastimes that's why He sent Jaya and Vijaya incarnate as demons so that He can perform His pastimes.
@@krsnaconscious68 Thank you prabu, Please check out Srimad Bhagavatam 4.28.54. and read what Srila Prabhupada says about jivas falling from the spiritual world. If truth be told, I've seen many contradictions in the Vedic scriptures. Since I'm a conditioned soul, I figure once I become purified, I won't see any more so-called contradictions. 🙏
If someone thinks that they originated in material world or border line then they might be. But we originated in spirtual world from Krishna. We were in Golok vrindavan and we will go BACK home and not TO home Srils Prabhupad clearly said that every soul us nitya siddha. This material world is a dream of maha Vishnu. We think we are fallen but actually we are not fallen. Srila Prabhupad always said Go back home back to godhead. Now think yourself, we use the work go BACK for place we have already been. So if srila prabhupad say go back home back to godhead then it clearly means we were there before and have to to back. Srila Prabhupad also said that everyone has seen Krishna, we were there is Krishna pastimes before coming in this material world. Now reader can decide whether they are from goloka or material world
Mambo jumbo mayavada, this is not what Srila Prabhupada clearly stated, we were with SRI Krishna in His Lila pastimes. If one is not stupid fool number one where is the difficulty to accept from the current acarya, all the more that this is acintya anyway,no matter what our tiny brains made of it,it is acintya inconceivable.
The jivas have grown out of the jiva-shakti of Sri Krishna. Chit-shakti is Sri Krishna's full (plenary) shakti, whereas the jiva-shakti is the incomplete shakti. From the plenary potency are produced complete entities, but from the incomplete potency have grown the jivas as atomic chit... When he desired to have His adherent attendance 'nitya parshada ' servitors in His Transcendental plane Goloka- Vrindavana, Vaikuntha, etc, He through Baladeva created those Eternal Parshada as nitya-mukta jivas at those divine worlds... Again at Paravyoma (Vaikuntha) He, as Sankarshana, reveals the eternally free associate jivas for the performance of the eight kinds of service to Sri Narayana. Maha Vishnu, the incarnation of Sankarshana, establishing Himself in the heart of jiva-shakti as Paramatma, creates the jiva-souls of tatastha shakti. These jivas are susceptible to the influence of maya ... As such, the conclusion is that it is the jiva-shakti that begets the jivas, and not the chit-shakti. " (Bhaktivinode Thakura, Jaiva Dharma, Chapter 15)
@@hitendhiman838 never jump over the present acarya, my Siksa guru said that "even before, we were with Krishna in His Lila". No monkey jumping needed, unless one is a monkey.
There is no Shastric evidence ever saying you were in Goloka Vrindavan and then somehow u fell down,that does not exist in Sastra,show me 1 qoute! Second we are,Nitya baddhas,eternally bound. It is very nicely explained in Jaiva dharma that Nitya siddhas in Goloka come from Balaram and Nitya Siddhas coming from Sankarsan are in Vaikuntha,then from Maha Vishnu comes Jiva tattva tha go to Maya dham. Jiva Goswami also very nicely explains about Jiva and his origin. It is very difficult to digest this truth for us,thas why Srila Prabhupad didnt explain it all in all cuz u lack faith like many do. He was asked by his good friend obl Kapoor why is he saying Jiva falls from Vaikuntha and Prabhupada said because in west people are so impesonal that he just wanted to give them simple idea just like in Bible Adam and Eve fell from the gardens of heaven. Its all there u just need to get it from the right source.
@@Aryan.iluzionist I have the right source, HDG AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada himself, in audio, in written forms in letters and comments, name it.
Jiva never falls down. Why will they come to this material hellish world...? Jaiva Dharma by Bhaktivinoda Thakur states this philosophy. You must read and understsnd it prabhu. Sometimes Acharyas and SadhuGuru seem to contradict, but we must understand that its our fault because we are baddha jiva, so we might have not understood it properly and pray to krsna that we understand it.
Gita. 15.16
द्वाविमौ पुरुषौ लोके क्षरश्चाक्षर एव च ।
क्षर: सर्वाणि भूतानि कूटस्थोऽक्षर उच्यते ॥ १६ ॥
dvāv imau puruṣau loke kṣaraś cākṣara eva ca
kṣaraḥ sarvāṇi bhūtāni kūṭa-stho ’kṣara ucyate
Synonyms
dvau - two; imau - these; puruṣau - living entities; loke - in the world; kṣaraḥ - fallible; ca - and; akṣaraḥ - infallible; eva - certainly; ca - and; kṣaraḥ - fallible; sarvāṇi - all; bhūtāni - living entities; kūṭa-sthaḥ - in oneness; akṣaraḥ - infallible; ucyate - is said.
Translation
There are two classes of beings, the fallible and the infallible. In the material world every living entity is fallible, and in the spiritual world every living entity is called infallible.
Also in Gita Krishna says yad gatwa nivartante tad dhama parmam mamha. So whoever goes to his Dhaam never returns(fall).
No doubt Srila Prabhupada Maharaja and Gour Govnda Maharja are pure devotees of the highest degree.
On the other hand, most of us are conditioned souls and not able to grasp everything They said.
Until we become pure, we'll never fully understand certain points these Paramahamsas made.
Better we keep on chanting and not commit Vaishnava apradha.🙏🙏🙏
Jai gurudeva hope iskcon GBC understand
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. . . a devotee in the transcendental abode of the Lord never falls. (Bhag. 3.15.48, purp.)
After finishing their mock fighting, both the devotee and the Lord are again associated in the spiritual planets. That is very explicitly explained here. The conclusion is that no one falls from the spiritual world or Vaikuntha planet, for it is the eternal abode. (Bhag. 3.16.26, purp.)
we r nitya daas , we have swarup , so does that mean i was in goloka (no thats material logic)
Forgetfullness can only happen in *Tatashtha Shakti Jivas* (forgetfulness = when there is touch of 2 things)
no maya in goloka
everyone is relishing higher rasa (param drishtvani vartate)
acharyas say *anadibahirmukh* (when we forget its beginning cant be traced out)
Hare Krishna dandvat pranaam maharaj,please accept my humble obeisances,
I am not able to understand this !
Jaya and Vijaya fell from Vaikuntha. Either way, I can't make out where Gour Govinda Maharaja says we didn't fall from Vaikuntha.
Jaya and Vijaya because they were cursed to do so. And we can also see from this point of view that the Supreme Lord wanted to show His pastimes that's why He sent Jaya and Vijaya incarnate as demons so that He can perform His pastimes.
They didn't fall down. Read Chakravartipada's commentary on this
you can read prabhupad commentary he explained how they have not fallen in 7.1.35 bhagvatam
@@krsnaconscious68 Thank you prabu,
Please check out Srimad Bhagavatam
4.28.54. and read what Srila Prabhupada says about jivas falling from the spiritual world. If truth be told, I've seen many contradictions in the Vedic scriptures. Since I'm a conditioned soul, I figure once I become purified, I won't see any more so-called contradictions. 🙏
Jay and Vijaya came as per bhagvana icha they were nitya sidha only
If someone thinks that they originated in material world or border line then they might be. But we originated in spirtual world from Krishna. We were in Golok vrindavan and we will go BACK home and not TO home
Srils Prabhupad clearly said that every soul us nitya siddha. This material world is a dream of maha Vishnu. We think we are fallen but actually we are not fallen. Srila Prabhupad always said Go back home back to godhead.
Now think yourself, we use the work go BACK for place we have already been. So if srila prabhupad say go back home back to godhead then it clearly means we were there before and have to to back.
Srila Prabhupad also said that everyone has seen Krishna, we were there is Krishna pastimes before coming in this material world.
Now reader can decide whether they are from goloka or material world
Mambo jumbo mayavada, this is not what Srila Prabhupada clearly stated, we were with SRI Krishna in His Lila pastimes. If one is not stupid fool number one where is the difficulty to accept from the current acarya, all the more that this is acintya anyway,no matter what our tiny brains made of it,it is acintya inconceivable.
The jivas have grown out of the jiva-shakti of Sri Krishna. Chit-shakti is Sri Krishna's full (plenary) shakti, whereas the jiva-shakti is the incomplete shakti. From the plenary potency are produced complete entities, but from the incomplete potency have grown the jivas as atomic chit... When he desired to have His adherent attendance 'nitya parshada ' servitors in His Transcendental plane Goloka- Vrindavana, Vaikuntha, etc, He through Baladeva created those Eternal Parshada as nitya-mukta jivas at those divine worlds... Again at Paravyoma (Vaikuntha) He, as Sankarshana, reveals the eternally free associate jivas for the performance of the eight kinds of service to Sri Narayana. Maha Vishnu, the incarnation of Sankarshana, establishing Himself in the heart of jiva-shakti as Paramatma, creates the jiva-souls of tatastha shakti. These jivas are susceptible to the influence of maya ... As such, the conclusion is that it is the jiva-shakti that begets the jivas, and not the chit-shakti. " (Bhaktivinode Thakura, Jaiva Dharma, Chapter 15)
@@hitendhiman838 never jump over the present acarya, my Siksa guru said that "even before, we were with Krishna in His Lila". No monkey jumping needed, unless one is a monkey.
There is no Shastric evidence ever saying you were in Goloka Vrindavan and then somehow u fell down,that does not exist in Sastra,show me 1 qoute! Second we are,Nitya baddhas,eternally bound. It is very nicely explained in Jaiva dharma that Nitya siddhas in Goloka come from Balaram and Nitya Siddhas coming from Sankarsan are in Vaikuntha,then from Maha Vishnu comes Jiva tattva tha go to Maya dham. Jiva Goswami also very nicely explains about Jiva and his origin. It is very difficult to digest this truth for us,thas why Srila Prabhupad didnt explain it all in all cuz u lack faith like many do. He was asked by his good friend obl Kapoor why is he saying Jiva falls from Vaikuntha and Prabhupada said because in west people are so impesonal that he just wanted to give them simple idea just like in Bible Adam and Eve fell from the gardens of heaven. Its all there u just need to get it from the right source.
@@Aryan.iluzionist I have the right source, HDG AC Bhaktivedanta Swami Srila Prabhupada himself, in audio, in written forms in letters and comments, name it.
Jiva never falls down.
Why will they come to this material hellish world...?
Jaiva Dharma by Bhaktivinoda Thakur states this philosophy. You must read and understsnd it prabhu.
Sometimes Acharyas and SadhuGuru seem to contradict, but we must understand that its our fault because we are baddha jiva, so we might have not understood it properly and pray to krsna that we understand it.