I’ve seen a couple of these side by side comparisons. And so many keep saying epson looks better and I thought I was going crazy. Idk what they were looking at but Sony just looks so much more detailed and sharper
I’ve had the same research experience. I always wonder if each person has their own bias. I think to be fair these videos should start being a 3-way comparison. Side by side leads to a bias without context. I’d love to see the Epson LS12000 in between two others, better/worse. How bad can “the best laser” Epson offers be… like throw in the LS11000 or 6050 for context.
I actually live in DFW and was contemplating between this Epson and Sony as well. I saw this video and decided to go check it out myself at they're showroom. The Epson was great but I gotta say the Sony was way better. It was more detailed and over all a sharper image. Only took me a few minutes to come to that decision too. Both are impressive projectors but ill be going with the Sony for sure! Definitely recommend anyone in the DFW area to check out they're showroom; very friendly and very knowledgeable!
Thank you, Mr. King! It was great meeting you today and the kind words mean a lot. Can't wait to help you get this awesome projector when you are ready to pull the trigger. Take care! - Kacie Packer, Business Manager, Divine AV
This is a helpful comparison video. The description of the two products, though more complete with the Epson, and the detailed, thoughtful side-by-side review was helpful in understanding the merits of each product. It really seemed to by Sony's better image versus Epson's better enclosure.
@@DivineAV I watch a lot of projector comparison videos and your guy's format is in a league of its own. The quality, the lighting, the reversed side by side images, etc. If you guys could just do more of them you'd be the go-to projector comparison channel on TH-cam.
@@TonikQL thank you so much for the feedback. We are always working to improve the quality of our content. It’s hard to get a Videos out because we are usually booked 2 to 3 months out with Home Theater installations. We will work really hard to get more of them out ASAP.
@@TonikQL awesome, we actually have both projectors in our show room. My brother and I were definitely planning on that one. We will get it going. We will try our best to get this out asap
After seeing both of these I think a lot of the difference we are seeing in this video is down to how much artificial sharpening each machine is adding. When both of these processing in turned down or even off the look the same to the naked eye, so based on what I now know I think the Reality Creation on the Sony is set a lot higher than the Image Enhancement on the Epson.
From an installer/ owner of av stuff for the last 27 yrs, you kids are doing a fantastic job with on these reviews. I do have some doubts about the Epsons focus adjustment because it is notoriously ambigous with the 12000. I wish Epson would introduce a wobulation shut off for focus adjustment which would definitely eliminate the issue. It is possible to miss the seet spot easily, if it even exists and have a loss of detail as a result. Thanks for the video.
Rock on brother, thanks for watching, and we appreciate the support. You sound like one of the good ones in our industry :) there’s so many guys out there who have no idea what they’re doing. It’s important to understand what you’re installing and give the client the true potential of the product that they purchased no matter what price range it’s in
Good comparison. But what I don't understand is how you placed the SONY projector on the shelf, since it expels hot air from the back, unlike the JVC which expels it from the front. You do not comply with the installation conditions indicated in the manual. That's my problem.
My home theater shop has both of these on display. Lucky me. The Sony absolutely blew the epson out of the water, no comparison. The Sony was so much more striking that I wondered if the shop had “detuned” the epson for some reason. I don’t know why they would do that? Maybe to push more Sony units 🤷
Yeah we have both on display and the Sony does have a bit of an edge on pure resolution. The Epson has some really killer features though. The picture quality is also very good for a little bit lesser price point
Interesting video. I've tinkered with the LS12000 settings quite a bit and my image doesn't look nearly as bad as the video. Maybe it just needs more adjustment? I ultimately choose the LS12000 because I read ENDLESS accounts of sonys panel degradation and that's just not something I want to risk. Not to mention on larger screens (135"+) the extra brightness is much appreciated in the Epson. Sony doesn't have a motorized lens like the epson but this isn't a dealbreaker.
That particular screen in the video isn’t the best in my opinion. It’s a Stewart screen. We have also been able to accomplish a bit higher quality image. We’ve sold multiple LS 12,000s. It’s an awesome projector and it’s very bright. Let us know if you need anything else for your theater. Thanks buddy
@@MasterMark5 For the most part, they do make very good screens. I think this one is a bit older. We custom build almost all of our screens using elite Screen Material. Our most sold brands are screen innovations and dragonfly.
Agreed I seen other comparison where the Epson is significantly brighter. In this comparison the Epson is actually lower in brightness than the Sony. The calibrater really dropped the brightness on the Epson. Ive seen comparison from Jonathan Englen where the Epson holds its own against a JVC NZ7, but that Sony sharpness really stands out and beats both the Epson and JVC NZ7 in sharpness. Both the Epson and NZ7 have similar sharpness and detail levels.
Great video, thinking of upgrading from the VW590es, it would be nice to see a side by side with the 590 and the 5000. I appreciate the 590 is a couple years older but the 5000 is basically a laser upgrade over the 590, so I'd love to know how much of an improvement the laser brings.
Love the shoot-out ! I have a 180" screen and leaning toward the Sony... Just think the BRIGHTNESS would not be enough... Would the Epson be perceived brighter? They look the same in the video (brightness). Thanks
They are very similar in brightness. Feel free to schedule a phone call with one of our experts if you’d like to consider purchasing from us. We can give you all of the information and discuss your individual environment. Divineavinc@gmail.com
Hello Thanks you for your vidéo I have some questions ! Have you upgrade the epson's firmware ? The last firmware increase the wobulation performance and the sharpness ! Another question : what's sharpness settings set on the Sony (reality création) and on the Epson (super résolution) ? Thanks
Hey there, yes we are on the latest released firmware. We did notice a slight increase in sharpness. When watching the projector on its own, it’s awesome. We have it in a separate demo room and everyone complements the picture. Both image enhancement settings were set at 75%. We may need to crank the Epson up a bit higher. But honestly, Epson is not trying to beat Sony. They are trying to create a very nice and well-rounded product. Both companies are doing a fantastic job and meeting their individual goal set. There is a use case for each projector and that’s why we work closely with our clients to determine the best projector for each of their individual homes. Thanks for watching
Best projector comparison I’ve ever seen, and it’s the exact two projectors I’m trying to compare! Really curious how you set these up to do the side by side mirrored demo so perfectly like that
Thank you so much my friend. We really appreciate you taking the time to comment. We just reversed one of the images and took some time to line them up
Guyz, this is exactly what I have been looking for❗ This is the best comparison of those two projectors in the web 👏👏👏 Can You tell me what exactly screen are You using in this comparison ⁉ I'm looking for good value 150" screen for VPL-XW5000ES.
Thank you very much. We greatly appreciate the support. Feel free to reach out if you’d like to consider purchasing one of them from us. If you’re buying from us, one of us from the video would be happy to get on the phone and give you some advice. The screen is 150 inches and it is a Stewart 150 inch acoustically transparent unit with 1.1 gain Thank you so much and have a good weekend Divineavinc@gmail.com
Definitely not if you’re trying to use a 2.39 Cinemascope screen. You would want the 6000 es for the lens memory functionality. Now the exception to that is if you don’t mind the black bars when using a 16 x 9 screen or you use something like a MadVr envy extreme for geo correction. Feel free to reach out if you need any products or advice. Divineavinc@gmail
Divineavinc@gmail Feel free to reach out when you’re ready. I’d be happy to schedule a call to discuss this unit or any others. Thanks my friend. Warren DAV
I recently got Sony 5000es. I’m really loving it. Sony 5000 is the Best But still can you please tell me do I really need Calibration for 5000es for more and more top notch quality on screen ?
It was running the current software at the time of the video. It’s possible that the software came out shortly after that. We’ve sold a bunch of them and I can tell you that they are great projectors. The Sony is definitely a bit sharper, but the feature set on the Epson is unparalleled. Especially with our curved screens, the geometry correction is fantastic. Thanks for watching.
That was a superior video - thank you so much for that! I was planning on Epson 12000 but not anymore. I now go Sony... what is the Sony model with this specs like on the video but with motorized lens? I'm planning of having constant high image, so motorized lens is a must :-/
Thank you so much for watching. The Epson has some really good features but I think the Sony has the edge as far as resolution. Feel free to reach out and we will explain the differences between the Sony models and try to provide you the best unit. 6000es has the lens memory. Check out our other video. 214.600.4144 Divineavinc@gmail.com AvOfTomorrow.com
Just as I suspected, native 4k panels even with an inferior lens (aberration induced by tiny size) will beat the pixel shifter. Hanging on to the LS10500 just a bit longer.
Don't be fooled into thinking the Sony is more resolute....The Sony has a great deal of internal sharpening and processing going on..... I mean A LOT. The Sony is not as sharp/accurate as it may seem on first glance in this comparison. Two key moments in this video to pay attention to: (make sure to watch in 4K, I'm viewing on an OLED screen btw) At 7:49 notice the intense amount of sharpening on the Sony making the Grand Turismo copyright notice lower txt almost unreadable vs the Epson. The Sony, using its Reality Creation engine creates the illusion of detail and sharpness by adding contrast to edges. Seems like the image is Sharpened around 40-50%....definition of txt really bad as a result .... Epson looks as expected. At 8:00 notice the Epsons even dithering of the red side light glow on the Porsche 919. Sharpening/Over processing on the Sony has created banding in the red glow gradient. Both projectors are great, however sharpening doesn't necessarily make a better or more resolute image. I'm not seeing much if any better/increased resolution here from the Sony. If the resolution was really better or clearer on the Sony the text at 7.50 wouldn't have appeared so bad. The Epson seems honest and really good. I'd say the Epsons 700 usable extra lumens are far more valuable than the 'perceived' sharpness of the Sony shown here for my tastes.....particularly if pairing the Epson with a HTPC and Mad VR for instance. If resolution was in fact been better/clearer on the Sony then the text at 7.50 wouldn't have appeared so bad. The processing in the Sony I think is adaptively pushing the dark tones up just a touch also for more clarity to the darks when needed. All in all these are pretty standard "enhancement tricks" in Photo and video editing. Can be cool.....Can screw the pooch!
You'd have to view these in person to make a proper comparison. TH-cam and streaming will compress the image, the filming may not have been in 4k. Your device will process the image you see to some degree. All things being equal the Sony should give a more detailed image due to it's 4k panel that the epson lacks - particularly when viewing 4k content, of course (where you wouldnt select 'Reality Creation' on the Sony, that's more of an aid for 1080p).
@@GS-pk9rd totally agree, we always urge people to come to our show room, if they’re in the area. If not, definitely go to your local audio visual provider and check out both.
Thank you for those accurate observations Paul. When 4K appeared, it seems it took away a part of the mystic cinema. We're used to watch movies with a shallow depth of field, where the character is drawn out of the background, everything around him is blurry. The motion blur vanished under True Motion/ Motion Flow option that many TV has now default. When I watch a film which is 4K, I have the impression I see all unwanted things, all the skin tone pores, all the details and it takes out the magic of cinema. I feel that Epson it doesn't boost the sharpness and details sharpening as I can see at Sony. The 8:00 with the red light is the best example of color banding made by enhancement tricks.
@@TonikQL Many of our customers pre-ordered these. We have been delivering them for the past couple of weeks. We should have more soon. Feel free to reach out. Divineavinc@gmail
mr2cqql 4 seconds ago How is this compare to let say a tri laser UST projectors in DLP or 3LCD from Epson ls800? because I wanted to upgrade my vpl-hw45es from 2017 to a laser 4k and really don't know which is better as far as black levels and brightness.
That’s a pretty hard comparison. The picture quality is nearly identical. We will see about getting our hands on another LS 800 so we can do a comparison video for you guys
Great video, I read somewhere that Sony doesn't support CEC, like you couldn't turn on / off the projector + receiver + source using the same remote. That's pretty annoying to me, but is that something you could confirm?
Correct. We recommend just using an Apple TV or something like that so you can control everything else using that remote and simply turn off and on the projector manually. If you have any other questions are interested in purchasing one of these products, feel free to reach out. We offer full calibrations and can achieve a much higher color accuracy Divineavinc@gmail
Not necessarily, but it depends on the individual environment. Feel free to reach out and one of our experts will advise on your space. We can get you the best unit for your needs. Divineavinc@gmail AvOfTomorrow.com
What an excellently showcased demonstration. My only gripe is with the absence of constant height variable width screen implementation for Cinemascope and Widescreen film presentation, as is the cinematograph industry standard for film presentation in true cinema auditoriums. Something that our dreadful multiplex cinemas ignore, and the CI market at large fail to recognise. This demonstration however has informed some highly salient differences between the two leading products.
Because the manufacturers happen to have similar ANSI Lumen output at 75% laser power output. We set them at 75 for the video because the images were plenty bright for the test. The Epson is a bit brighter than the Sony when you crank them both to 100% laser output.
Are you genuine with pictures settings with the Epson ? Is the enhancement turned on ? Cause the epson seems very blurred !? I watched another comparison, Epson 12000 vs jvc nz5 the Epson was much sharper and brighter
Of course. We sell Sony, JVC, Epson, and Barco. We believe there is a home for each and every model. We have a really cool video coming soon on the Epson. It has very unique features. Stay tuned.
Hii my name is Binoy from Houston Texas, could you please advise me that what is the minimum and maximum projector size for Sony VPL-XW5000ES . Thank you and I really appreciate your help. Have a wonderful day
Hey boss, I wouldn’t go beyond 160” with a 5000es. If you are still in the planning stages of your project, feel free to reach out and we can get you taken care of. Divineavinc@gmail
It’s overall about the same but it’s brighter and has a bit better black tone. But we will do our best to get a comparison video made on this. Feel free to reach out if you’re interested in picking one of these up. Thanks buddy Divineavinc@gmail
@@DivineAV thanx for the reply mate. Love from india and indian HT enthusiasts. One last query. Im currently using epson hc3800 /tw7100. Should i upgrade or rather wait. My bedroom theatre is completely light controled with dark ceiling and floors
@@anmolkapoor9595 the 3800 is very bright but contrast is lacking a bit. You could definitely move to the Epson ls12000 for a much better black tone. Or, change to a high contrast grey screen material and recalibrate the Epson 3800. That will also increase black level performance. Good luck, brother.
Hello to you. It would seem that the two projectors, calibrated according to you, do not have the same light output on the screen, to the benefit of the Sony, which is less powerful than the Epson. Where does this come from??? Thanks for this video.
Hey there, thanks for watching. Light output was exactly the same. They were both set around 75%. In the highest setting, the Epson is slightly brighter. In our measurements, we measured 2498 ANSI lumens on the Epson and 2146 on the Sony. At 75%, they were nearly identical with a slight benefit to the Epson. Both units are absolutely fantastic. I would say they are pretty much neck and neck except for perceived resolution, but that’s to be expected because we are talking about a native 4K projector versus a very good shifting projector. Feel free to give us a call if you want to pick either one up. Take care buddy.
Thanks. Now can you do a XW5000 vs XW6000 and let us know if the 6000 is really worth the 2x+ price over the 5000? Where did you get the stand(wood/threaded pipe), I like that. Thanks.
Yes, we will do the comparison between those two ASAP. We are just waiting for our actual production 6000 to arrive. The one in the other video is a pre-production. After we get the video out, feel free to reach out so we can get you one of these things! Take care, my friend! Subscribe :-)
20k hrs is to half brightness, the laser still works. The new units are lighter due to smaller sxrd panels, light-path and lenses. Thanks for comparisonz what reality creation setting did you have on the Sony? It's always CRUCIAL to declare this. Still I'm buying the Sony blind over the Epson hopefully in a few weeks when shipment gets in!
@@peterwood2633 Yeah that depends on the content. This content was decent quality off of a USB drive. It’s all they had available at the warehouse. Turn it up to 40 or 50 and you’ll see a pretty significant sharpness increase. But it does introduce a bit of grain to the image
Let's face it Epson thought they had a good value but Sony smoked them i checked out the ls1200 the lack of detail kept me waiting now the sony's on the way!!
Feel free to reach out whenever you’re ready, my brother. We will take care of you. We have a few units but we are still filling our pre-orders. We should have open inventory very soon. Divineavinc@gmail
Hey,,,,, I am very Interested in Sony* projector,,,,,, all I wanted to know what's the images size?? how manny inches that screen will have In Sony projector how manny inches up to???? Please let me know. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Appreciate the video. I owned a JVC NX7 for the last 3 years and recently picked up a LS12000. While I do think it throws a fantastic picture, I can make out the pixel structure from my first row seating (10') on my 141" scope image. Based on all the Sony XW5000s you've seen, would you say they've have good focus and panel uniformity? I had a VW715 for a brief while, but the white uniformity was pretty bad so I'm been a little hesitant on going back to Sony. Thanks again
I am going to be shooting my NX7 on to a 160” CIH screen. I feel like it won’t have the brightness I need. I’m eyeing the ls12000 as a potential replacement. What are your thoughts on them.
Bonjour Monsieur, je compte acheter un vidéo projecteur EPSON LS 12000 pour le mettre dans une salle de spa sur un écran de 140 pouces. Le jacuzzi sera à 70 pouces de l’écran Pensez-vous qu’à cette distance les clients verront les pixels ? - Pouvez-vous me dire si l’image projetée sera d’excellente qualité pour des vidéos sur la nature en 4K en 30fps ? - Est-ce que l’interpolation d’images améliorera la fluidité sur du 30 fps ? Merci beaucoup pour vos réponses. Le meilleur pour vous.
Yeah, the Sony appears to be sharper than pretty much anything but keep in mind that almost all of the other features on the JVC and Epson are a bit more advanced. The sharpness of the image is literally just one attribute to look at. I just installed an LS 12,000 and the customer was completely blown away. It’s a ridiculously good projector. It has some of the craziest adjustments I’ve ever seen at that price point. Take the video with a grain of salt, feel free to schedule a demonstration of our show room if you’re looking to purchase a projector. It’s much better to see it in person
@@DivineAV Thank you, but in the video you guys kept reminding us that you kept going back and noticing the difference in definition even when looking at other attributes, your words, not mine..lol.
@@luigy39 yeah I see your point. It’s probably because my personal preference is a sharper image. But personal preference aside, I really do see a lot of the benefits and the other projectors as well. I’ve been installing quite a few Epson‘s this week and the clients are very happy. We will do a separate video on each projector to dive more into the individual pros and cons
I was concerned about the refresh on the Sony 5000ES I ordered and the Epson LS12000, plus I could have gotten the Epson a lot sooner. My Sony finally showed up yesterday and I 100% made the right choice, it was well worth the wait. Absolutely stunning for a "reasonable" pricetag
@divineav - I just stumbled across this excellent comparison video and happen to have this new Sony sitting in a box ready to be installed! Apologies if someone already asked this, but can you share the Sony configuration settings? I have a dedicated theater and would love to just be able to mimic your settings :)
It should not need any calibration. Out of the box it's pretty much on par. The difference in calibration would be almost impossible to tell. I have calibrated several projectors and this was the first one I never touched the settings, except laser output and gamma setting.
Can you please make a comparison video between 290ES and XW5000es? I read reviews which states that 290ES still remains sharper. Just want to know if it’s really worth the extra dollars considering 290ES is available at a steak price now.
Yeah, the Epson does look a bit better after the update, but I talked to Epson and they said the update wasn’t supposed to do anything with the resolution. It’s confusing. The features on the Epson are fantastic. The Sony is not brighter. They are about the same when set at 75% laser output, like in this video. The Epson does get a bit brighter than the Sony when you crank it up to 100% laser output
I found on my Epson 6050UB that 4k pixelshift is actually worse vs 1080p native in terms of sharpness. I would recommend running the LS in 1080p and compare sharpness.
It’s actually very good. You can do about a 160 inch screen with 18 foot of throw distance. Feel free to reach out if you’re looking to order one. Divineavinc@gmail
Great video comparison! Would be helpful to know the screen used in the tests. size, gain, and texture as this could affect perceived brightness, blacks, and detail.
It seems to me eyes that the color tonality in Epson looks better than Sony. Not sure, what the exact color science of each video clip is, but lets say for example at 4:15, the image from Sony has a purplish, closer to magenta tint compared to Epson's more grounded, closer to earth blue gray tone. I also find Epson's build quality, as seen in this video to be better, even though Sony has the "cooler" Stars Wars type design. It would be nice for this video to have focused more on film content as well, since the main use for these type of projectors are for Home Theatre and not for gaming. In the final analysis, all these tests, more or less, are a bit blind and subjective since the image is being recorded from a wall or screen, and then re-encoded through you tube's compression etc.
Thank you for watching and for your support. We do want to do another video because the Epson definitely has some features that the Sony does not. Like the geometry correction, automatic lens cap etc. As far as pure resolution, the Sony is the winner but both amazing projectors
@@DivineAV Hah. That's still a hedge! You have to pick one. I ask because I just had to make the same decision. I went with the Sony, the picture difference was just too big of a gap - particularly in the detail. Sony's color processing has always been a standout, but in your shootout - the difference in detail was pretty eye opening. When I go back and look at how we used our existing projector - once it was set up, that was it. Just turn it on and go. So really , picture quality was the biggest thing for me. I don't know if its pixel-shift vs true 4k ....or the processors....or both - but I did the Sony. And we had always done Epson prior. And my Epson's have been workhorses, but this time Sony got my $.
Overall, very similar maximum brightness. We have additional videos with exact specifications coming soon. The Epson is slightly brighter and maximum light output mode.
yeah, we will do another one with both calibrated. We intended on doing it sooner but we have been pretty busy with installations. Keep in mind also that the software update on the LS 12,000 made the perceived resolution a bit sharper.
Thanks for your question. We have sold well over 1000 Sony projectors in the past 10 years. It’s totally negligible. Sure, you could measure on day 1 and year 10 to see a difference. But that’s like buying a new car, dyno testing on day 1 with 0 miles and then expecting the same result at 100,000 miles. You will have wear on any unit. The units are solid. Thanks Avoftomorrow.com
When I saw Sony's demo of the xw7000es as Audio Advice Live last weekend the shadow detail was embarrassingly terrible and crushed to oblivion. I couldn't believe they had the guts to demo it in the room right next to the NZ9, which of course showed outstanding shadow detail. I couldn't imagine any sane person choosing the 7000 over the NZ9 based off of the demo. Are you noticing this problem in your Sony units? If not, is there any way to account for this?
Hey boss, we haven’t done videos on the higher end units yet but we haven’t seen a major issue with crushing dark tones, at least on the 6000 and 5000 units. We will definitely do more testing and try to get some more content out on these units ASAP. Thank you so much for watching and we appreciate your support
@@percybedford6266 The Sony rep was there. I assume he calibrated it but who knows. Similar results were reported at MWAVE on Sony units also calibrated by their own rep.
@@Zachary_Setzer I remember making a comment in another vid about the calibration on the Sony at MWAVE and a Sony rep replied to me and said he didn't have enough time with the machine to dial it in. Who knows though. I can see them releasing a firmware update in the near future.
@@percybedford6266 Yeah I saw that comment also. The problem seems more like a video processing problem than a calibration problem. In terms of calibration maybe a custom gamma curve would help, but there just doesn't seem to be any comparison on the tone mapping front. Still waiting for more info on how the Sonys perform with external DTM. The MWAVE example is all I can find.
I ain't making accusations but I've seen this Epson ls12,000 in person it looks absolutely amazing I don't know what they're doing to their settings in this review comparison but I have not seen the Sony in person so what's going on here .
Resolution seems to have improved after the last software update. We sell both projectors and are not bias to either unit. The Epson has way more features than the Sony. Sony seems to have an edge on resolution even after the updates. Price point is relatively similar so it’s kind of a tossup and that’s why we have all of these on display so people can check them out for themselves. We are selling a bunch of both
Great video, it was a very interesting comparison. This is obviously a well informed channel but I have to ask with all respect if this was the most fair comparison possible? I noted you said you calibrated the projectors the same, but for as much hype as I've heard surrounding the LS12000, based on this video that Sony VPL absolutely blows it out of the water in every single way. The colors, the sharpness, the contrast, none of it was even close. Even alone the Epson looked surprisingly disappointing, so again I'm just kinda wondering if it was set to the best settings possible? Most people who can afford a $5k projector can probably afford a $6k projector, so are there actually any good reasons not to choose the Sony?
We made it as fair as possible. The Epson definitely has an incredible feature set. Having the ability to do geometry correction, build quality and brightness is fantastic. By itself it is actually pretty good. Side-by-side, the Sony beat it in sharpness. Put a MadVR on the units and it’s a whole different ball game. Far more equal. Stay tuned for more testing including my VR. If you’re looking to pick on these units up, we would appreciate The business. Take care my friend
@@mikehendrickson85 You are very welcome. MadVR is an advanced image processing unit that is installed between your AVR/processor and your projector or TV. It does frame by frame HDR tone mapping unlike anything you’ve ever seen. This is far superior to any other tone mapping on the market. I have had customers challenge us with specific content and we were able to exceed their expectations. Mad VR extreme does advanced nonlinear stretching and therefore has the ability to remove or reduce the black bars that you get from 2.39 content. It also does Advanced image enhancement, upscaling, extreme shadow recovery, curved screen manipulation and way more. This is on display in our Frisco show room. If you’re interested, we are happy to get you more information and put you with one of our professional system design experts. These are very advanced products ranging from $8000-$13,500 MSRP. They are definitely for premium Home Cinema users but when you consider that we recently have been beating some $30,000+ projectors with $5000 and $6000 units and MadVR. The value is clearly right in front of us. Thanks buddy
When they’re not being played side-by-side, the Epson still looks very good. Especially with professional Calibration. They are both really good projectors and they each have their own unique feature set. Thanks for watching
Both units were set at about 75%. We don't recommend maxing the units out all the time. The epson is able to get a bit brighter than the Sony in its max setting. Both projectors are awesome in their own ways. If you need help choosing, we offer both units and would be glad to assist. Thanks
Settings are spot on. Calibration was is extensive. I do have to say, we are not a fan of the screen that they have in that show room. It doesn’t do very well with the Epson or the JVC units. It looks much better in our show room out of Frisco. We plan on doing more reviews in our show room now that we have the actual units. These videos were done at the testing facility for one of the companies
This video is concerning as i was about to pull the plug on a LS12000. Ive seen it look a lot better than you portray here. This showing is admittedly 2 yrs old and the Epson is still a current model in their line up. Not sure if the Sony is ! There was a recent Epson software update, like June '24, not sure what it addressed. Im going to search your more recent videos and hope the Epson has come around. My local dealer sells both brands, but its obvious to anyone they prefer Sonys lineup. That may simply be due to profitability, but their highest end demo room is an amazing Sony. I have not asked them which model, but just walking in the room, i can tell its beyond my pocket ! Its sourced with a Kaleidoscape $$$.
@@Kiwi-ot3wz thank you so much for watching. Yes the Epson was updated and it is now significantly sharper. There’s benefits to both projectors. The Epson has overall a bit higher built quality and it has advanced geometric correction for curved screens and other situations. Is about equal and both projectors are current lineup. Prices the same and Dealer margin is nearly identical so there shouldn’t be any dealer pushing one unit over the other. We sell both projectors. Put them side-by-side, the Sony is slightly sharper, but color accuracy might be a bit better on the Epson. You’ll be satisfied with either Projector when it’s in your house and not being directly compared to another Projector. We do need to do an updated video for sure. If you’re in the DFW area and the best demonstrations, give us a call. if not, work with your local dealer and he, or she should be able to point out the exact pros and cons of each unit. We greatly appreciate you watching and subscribe for more :-)
Not sure if you did the update with the Epson projector to the latest software. But with the update the Epson is a lot sharper and has a lot more detail.
The Epson is actually quite a bit brighter than the Epson, so what gives? The MWAVE comparisons side by side did not make the Epson looked so dim and they were both calibrated too. Epson is rated at 2700 lumens. Sony at 2000 lumens. Yet Sony looks way brighter than the Epson in this side by side?
These units were both to 75% laser output. If you turn them up to 100% Epson is slightly brighter. Also with software updates, it’s significantly sharper now. Stay tuned to the channel because we have another Epson video coming out very soon. Thanks for watching.
Oh, I’m sorry boss. Yeah we are actually a custom integrator in DFW. We do TH-cam in our spare time. We have installed thousands of projectors and TVs so we figured we should share some info.
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I’ve seen a couple of these side by side comparisons. And so many keep saying epson looks better and I thought I was going crazy. Idk what they were looking at but Sony just looks so much more detailed and sharper
I’ve had the same research experience. I always wonder if each person has their own bias. I think to be fair these videos should start being a 3-way comparison. Side by side leads to a bias without context. I’d love to see the Epson LS12000 in between two others, better/worse. How bad can “the best laser” Epson offers be… like throw in the LS11000 or 6050 for context.
I actually live in DFW and was contemplating between this Epson and Sony as well. I saw this video and decided to go check it out myself at they're showroom. The Epson was great but I gotta say the Sony was way better. It was more detailed and over all a sharper image. Only took me a few minutes to come to that decision too. Both are impressive projectors but ill be going with the Sony for sure! Definitely recommend anyone in the DFW area to check out they're showroom; very friendly and very knowledgeable!
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This side by side comparison is appreciated. Why don't I see this done more often?
We try to do things a little bit differently. We will definitely be shooting more videos soon
Because each projector cost about $5k
This is a helpful comparison video. The description of the two products, though more complete with the Epson, and the detailed, thoughtful side-by-side review was helpful in understanding the merits of each product. It really seemed to by Sony's better image versus Epson's better enclosure.
I really wish you guys could do way more of these comparison videos. They are immensely helpful. I would love to see one between the Sony and a JVC.
Are you specifically looking for the 5000 ES versus the NZ7 or the NP5?
@@DivineAV why not both? 😂 No but really I am specifically interested in the 5000 vs the nz7.
@@DivineAV I watch a lot of projector comparison videos and your guy's format is in a league of its own. The quality, the lighting, the reversed side by side images, etc. If you guys could just do more of them you'd be the go-to projector comparison channel on TH-cam.
@@TonikQL thank you so much for the feedback. We are always working to improve the quality of our content. It’s hard to get a Videos out because we are usually booked 2 to 3 months out with Home Theater installations. We will work really hard to get more of them out ASAP.
@@TonikQL awesome, we actually have both projectors in our show room. My brother and I were definitely planning on that one. We will get it going. We will try our best to get this out asap
Excellent review and comparison side-by-side. Fact based and to the point. Wish all reviews were as good as this one!
Thank you, my friend, that is extremely kind. We really appreciate you taking the time to write that.
One of the best and most straightforward demo I've seen on two good models. Thanks for sharing this!
Thank you for a side by side review. Thank you for your effort.
After seeing both of these I think a lot of the difference we are seeing in this video is down to how much artificial sharpening each machine is adding. When both of these processing in turned down or even off the look the same to the naked eye, so based on what I now know I think the Reality Creation on the Sony is set a lot higher than the Image Enhancement on the Epson.
Very clever method of comparison, most useful review that I have seen! Great work guys
From an installer/ owner of av stuff for the last 27 yrs, you kids are doing a fantastic job with on these reviews. I do have some doubts about the Epsons focus adjustment because it is notoriously ambigous with the 12000. I wish Epson would introduce a wobulation shut off for focus adjustment which would definitely eliminate the issue. It is possible to miss the seet spot easily, if it even exists and have a loss of detail as a result. Thanks for the video.
Rock on brother, thanks for watching, and we appreciate the support. You sound like one of the good ones in our industry :) there’s so many guys out there who have no idea what they’re doing. It’s important to understand what you’re installing and give the client the true potential of the product that they purchased no matter what price range it’s in
Thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for in deciding between these 2 projectors!
Sure thing! If you’re in the States we have a price match guarantee and specials. Feel free to email. Divineavinc@gmail.com
Good comparison. But what I don't understand is how you placed the SONY projector on the shelf, since it expels hot air from the back, unlike the JVC which expels it from the front. You do not comply with the installation conditions indicated in the manual. That's my problem.
My home theater shop has both of these on display. Lucky me. The Sony absolutely blew the epson out of the water, no comparison. The Sony was so much more striking that I wondered if the shop had “detuned” the epson for some reason. I don’t know why they would do that? Maybe to push more Sony units 🤷
Yeah we have both on display and the Sony does have a bit of an edge on pure resolution. The Epson has some really killer features though. The picture quality is also very good for a little bit lesser price point
Interesting video. I've tinkered with the LS12000 settings quite a bit and my image doesn't look nearly as bad as the video. Maybe it just needs more adjustment? I ultimately choose the LS12000 because I read ENDLESS accounts of sonys panel degradation and that's just not something I want to risk. Not to mention on larger screens (135"+) the extra brightness is much appreciated in the Epson. Sony doesn't have a motorized lens like the epson but this isn't a dealbreaker.
That particular screen in the video isn’t the best in my opinion. It’s a Stewart screen. We have also been able to accomplish a bit higher quality image. We’ve sold multiple LS 12,000s. It’s an awesome projector and it’s very bright. Let us know if you need anything else for your theater. Thanks buddy
@@DivineAV I thought Stewart screens were some of the best screens, what would you guys recommend as a better screen?
@@MasterMark5 For the most part, they do make very good screens. I think this one is a bit older. We custom build almost all of our screens using elite Screen Material. Our most sold brands are screen innovations and dragonfly.
my Epson 4010 looks way better then the LS1200 on this video
Agreed I seen other comparison where the Epson is significantly brighter. In this comparison the Epson is actually lower in brightness than the Sony. The calibrater really dropped the brightness on the Epson. Ive seen comparison from Jonathan Englen where the Epson holds its own against a JVC NZ7, but that Sony sharpness really stands out and beats both the Epson and JVC NZ7 in sharpness. Both the Epson and NZ7 have similar sharpness and detail levels.
Great video, thinking of upgrading from the VW590es, it would be nice to see a side by side with the 590 and the 5000. I appreciate the 590 is a couple years older but the 5000 is basically a laser upgrade over the 590, so I'd love to know how much of an improvement the laser brings.
Did you get focus issues with the 590?
Love the shoot-out ! I have a 180" screen and leaning toward the Sony... Just think the BRIGHTNESS would not be enough... Would the Epson be perceived brighter? They look the same in the video (brightness). Thanks
They are very similar in brightness. Feel free to schedule a phone call with one of our experts if you’d like to consider purchasing from us. We can give you all of the information and discuss your individual environment.
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Best comparison video I saw
Hello
Thanks you for your vidéo
I have some questions !
Have you upgrade the epson's firmware ?
The last firmware increase the wobulation performance and the sharpness !
Another question : what's sharpness settings set on the Sony (reality création) and on the Epson (super résolution) ?
Thanks
Hey there, yes we are on the latest released firmware. We did notice a slight increase in sharpness. When watching the projector on its own, it’s awesome. We have it in a separate demo room and everyone complements the picture. Both image enhancement settings were set at 75%. We may need to crank the Epson up a bit higher. But honestly, Epson is not trying to beat Sony. They are trying to create a very nice and well-rounded product. Both companies are doing a fantastic job and meeting their individual goal set. There is a use case for each projector and that’s why we work closely with our clients to determine the best projector for each of their individual homes. Thanks for watching
Best projector comparison I’ve ever seen, and it’s the exact two projectors I’m trying to compare! Really curious how you set these up to do the side by side mirrored demo so perfectly like that
Thank you so much my friend. We really appreciate you taking the time to comment. We just reversed one of the images and took some time to line them up
Thanks for a great comparison video! What kind of projector screen was used? Is it acoustically transparent?
Thank you very much, yes, it was a Stewart acoustically transparent white screen.
@@DivineAV thank you!
@@DivineAV Could you tell me the exact model and name?
@@kelvinrandolph8235 I'll have to check on that. It's an older showroom. We have new screens
@@DivineAVok thanks
Guyz, this is exactly what I have been looking for❗
This is the best comparison of those two projectors in the web 👏👏👏
Can You tell me what exactly screen are You using in this comparison ⁉
I'm looking for good value 150" screen for VPL-XW5000ES.
Thank you very much. We greatly appreciate the support. Feel free to reach out if you’d like to consider purchasing one of them from us. If you’re buying from us, one of us from the video would be happy to get on the phone and give you some advice.
The screen is 150 inches and it is a Stewart 150 inch acoustically transparent unit with 1.1 gain
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Nice comparison.
with Sony VPL XW 5000 ES- I read that it is not the best for cinemascope movies. What do you say?
Definitely not if you’re trying to use a 2.39 Cinemascope screen. You would want the 6000 es for the lens memory functionality. Now the exception to that is if you don’t mind the black bars when using a 16 x 9 screen or you use something like a MadVr envy extreme for geo correction. Feel free to reach out if you need any products or advice. Divineavinc@gmail
I am hearing a lot of good things about the 5000es. It is on my short list for projector upgrades.
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Feel free to reach out when you’re ready. I’d be happy to schedule a call to discuss this unit or any others. Thanks my friend. Warren DAV
I recently got Sony 5000es. I’m really loving it. Sony 5000 is the Best But still can you please tell me do I really need Calibration for 5000es for more and more top notch quality on screen ?
Whats the difference in fan noise.
The Sony is quieter
Was the Epson updated with the firmware, that massively improved the pixel shifting?
It was running the current software at the time of the video. It’s possible that the software came out shortly after that. We’ve sold a bunch of them and I can tell you that they are great projectors. The Sony is definitely a bit sharper, but the feature set on the Epson is unparalleled. Especially with our curved screens, the geometry correction is fantastic. Thanks for watching.
Sony is left picture. Epson is right.
That was a superior video - thank you so much for that! I was planning on Epson 12000 but not anymore. I now go Sony... what is the Sony model with this specs like on the video but with motorized lens? I'm planning of having constant high image, so motorized lens is a must :-/
Thank you so much for watching. The Epson has some really good features but I think the Sony has the edge as far as resolution.
Feel free to reach out and we will explain the differences between the Sony models and try to provide you the best unit. 6000es has the lens memory. Check out our other video.
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Just as I suspected, native 4k panels even with an inferior lens (aberration induced by tiny size) will beat the pixel shifter. Hanging on to the LS10500 just a bit longer.
Don't be fooled into thinking the Sony is more resolute....The Sony has a great deal of internal sharpening and processing going on..... I mean A LOT.
The Sony is not as sharp/accurate as it may seem on first glance in this comparison.
Two key moments in this video to pay attention to: (make sure to watch in 4K, I'm viewing on an OLED screen btw)
At 7:49 notice the intense amount of sharpening on the Sony making the Grand Turismo copyright notice lower txt almost unreadable vs the Epson. The Sony, using its Reality Creation engine creates the illusion of detail and sharpness by adding contrast to edges. Seems like the image is Sharpened around 40-50%....definition of txt really bad as a result .... Epson looks as expected.
At 8:00 notice the Epsons even dithering of the red side light glow on the Porsche 919. Sharpening/Over processing on the Sony has created banding in the red glow gradient.
Both projectors are great, however sharpening doesn't necessarily make a better or more resolute image.
I'm not seeing much if any better/increased resolution here from the Sony. If the resolution was really better or clearer on the Sony the text at 7.50 wouldn't have appeared so bad.
The Epson seems honest and really good. I'd say the Epsons 700 usable extra lumens are far more valuable than the 'perceived' sharpness of the Sony shown here for my tastes.....particularly if pairing the Epson with a HTPC and Mad VR for instance.
If resolution was in fact been better/clearer on the Sony then the text at 7.50 wouldn't have appeared so bad.
The processing in the Sony I think is adaptively pushing the dark tones up just a touch also for more clarity to the darks when needed. All in all these are pretty standard "enhancement tricks" in Photo and video editing. Can be cool.....Can screw the pooch!
Very detailed and accurate observations. Thank you for taking the time to comment.
You'd have to view these in person to make a proper comparison. TH-cam and streaming will compress the image, the filming may not have been in 4k. Your device will process the image you see to some degree. All things being equal the Sony should give a more detailed image due to it's 4k panel that the epson lacks - particularly when viewing 4k content, of course (where you wouldnt select 'Reality Creation' on the Sony, that's more of an aid for 1080p).
@@GS-pk9rd totally agree, we always urge people to come to our show room, if they’re in the area. If not, definitely go to your local audio visual provider and check out both.
I agree
Thank you for those accurate observations Paul.
When 4K appeared, it seems it took away a part of the mystic cinema. We're used to watch movies with a shallow depth of field, where the character is drawn out of the background, everything around him is blurry. The motion blur vanished under True Motion/ Motion Flow option that many TV has now default.
When I watch a film which is 4K, I have the impression I see all unwanted things, all the skin tone pores, all the details and it takes out the magic of cinema.
I feel that Epson it doesn't boost the sharpness and details sharpening as I can see at Sony. The 8:00 with the red light is the best example of color banding made by enhancement tricks.
But did you use super resolution on the Epson? It's quite interesting
Yes, keep in mind that the Epson firmware update made it a bit sharper. We will do an updated and calibrated video
Just installed the Sony in my home theater: it’s fantastic !
Congratulations! Let us know if you need anything else boss.
Where did you order from? I cant find these in stock anywhere.
@@TonikQL Many of our customers pre-ordered these. We have been delivering them for the past couple of weeks. We should have more soon. Feel free to reach out. Divineavinc@gmail
@@TonikQL I live in France, so it might not help you. Mine was delivered in 2 weeks.
Nice review - Would love to see an updated review with Epson's new firmware update which fixed the sharpness issue.
XW5000ES vs DLA-NP5 please!
Thanks thanks thanks
Amazing comparison
Detail and clear
Excellent review and it shows a clear winner at least to me. Thank you for posting!
You’re very welcome, please subscribe for more. Awesome Subaru by the way
@@DivineAV thanks! I have since sold it and now have a 2021 Tacoma. Not the same but having a truck is nice!
@@kenpoS2K yea, I hear you. You can get so much more done with a truck. Especially one that gets good gas mileage like that
What size of screen would you limit on the Sony or about how far back would you limit placing the Sony to keep that nice bright detailed image?
One of them has a high pitched whine in your video audio.
The Epson I presume, with the sound of the 4k actuator?
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How is this compare to let say a tri laser UST projectors in DLP or 3LCD from Epson ls800? because I wanted to upgrade my vpl-hw45es from 2017 to a laser 4k and really don't know which is better as far as black levels and brightness.
That’s a pretty hard comparison. The picture quality is nearly identical. We will see about getting our hands on another LS 800 so we can do a comparison video for you guys
Great video, I read somewhere that Sony doesn't support CEC, like you couldn't turn on / off the projector + receiver + source using the same remote. That's pretty annoying to me, but is that something you could confirm?
Correct. We recommend just using an Apple TV or something like that so you can control everything else using that remote and simply turn off and on the projector manually. If you have any other questions are interested in purchasing one of these products, feel free to reach out. We offer full calibrations and can achieve a much higher color accuracy Divineavinc@gmail
Thanks for the comparison video. Is there a concern with 700 less lumens in a non light controlled room? That's my only concern with the Sony.
Not necessarily, but it depends on the individual environment. Feel free to reach out and one of our experts will advise on your space. We can get you the best unit for your needs. Divineavinc@gmail
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What an excellently showcased demonstration. My only gripe is with the absence of constant height variable width screen implementation for Cinemascope and Widescreen film presentation, as is the cinematograph industry standard for film presentation in true cinema auditoriums. Something that our dreadful multiplex cinemas ignore, and the CI market at large fail to recognise. This demonstration however has informed some highly salient differences between the two leading products.
Can you do jvc np5 vs sony xw 5000
Amazing video like always thank you for this😁
Thank you so much for your support. Let us know if you need anything
Please explain how to Sony, which has 700 lumens of output fewer, looks brighter.
Because the manufacturers happen to have similar ANSI Lumen output at 75% laser power output. We set them at 75 for the video because the images were plenty bright for the test. The Epson is a bit brighter than the Sony when you crank them both to 100% laser output.
Are you genuine with pictures settings with the Epson ?
Is the enhancement turned on ? Cause the epson seems very blurred !?
I watched another comparison, Epson 12000 vs jvc nz5 the Epson was much sharper and brighter
Of course. We sell Sony, JVC, Epson, and Barco. We believe there is a home for each and every model. We have a really cool video coming soon on the Epson. It has very unique features. Stay tuned.
Hii my name is Binoy from Houston Texas, could you please advise me that what is the minimum and maximum projector size for Sony VPL-XW5000ES . Thank you and I really appreciate your help. Have a wonderful day
Hey boss, I wouldn’t go beyond 160” with a 5000es. If you are still in the planning stages of your project, feel free to reach out and we can get you taken care of. Divineavinc@gmail
How does this ls12000b compares to tw9400/6050ub
It’s overall about the same but it’s brighter and has a bit better black tone. But we will do our best to get a comparison video made on this. Feel free to reach out if you’re interested in picking one of these up. Thanks buddy
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@@DivineAV thanx for the reply mate. Love from india and indian HT enthusiasts. One last query. Im currently using epson hc3800 /tw7100. Should i upgrade or rather wait. My bedroom theatre is completely light controled with dark ceiling and floors
@@anmolkapoor9595 the 3800 is very bright but contrast is lacking a bit. You could definitely move to the Epson ls12000 for a much better black tone. Or, change to a high contrast grey screen material and recalibrate the Epson 3800. That will also increase black level performance. Good luck, brother.
@@DivineAV thanx mate. U helped save a few thousand bucks. God bless ya
Hello to you. It would seem that the two projectors, calibrated according to you, do not have the same light output on the screen, to the benefit of the Sony, which is less powerful than the Epson. Where does this come from??? Thanks for this video.
Hey there, thanks for watching. Light output was exactly the same. They were both set around 75%. In the highest setting, the Epson is slightly brighter. In our measurements, we measured 2498 ANSI lumens on the Epson and 2146 on the Sony. At 75%, they were nearly identical with a slight benefit to the Epson. Both units are absolutely fantastic. I would say they are pretty much neck and neck except for perceived resolution, but that’s to be expected because we are talking about a native 4K projector versus a very good shifting projector. Feel free to give us a call if you want to pick either one up. Take care buddy.
Love the direct comparison! FYI, those are called "needles". Pine needles.
Lol i’m aware. Drew a blank. I have a pine tree in my backyard haha
Thanks. Now can you do a XW5000 vs XW6000 and let us know if the 6000 is really worth the 2x+ price over the 5000? Where did you get the stand(wood/threaded pipe), I like that. Thanks.
Yes, we will do the comparison between those two ASAP. We are just waiting for our actual production 6000 to arrive. The one in the other video is a pre-production. After we get the video out, feel free to reach out so we can get you one of these things! Take care, my friend! Subscribe :-)
@@DivineAV Great. You didn't answer my question about the component stand. Thanks
@@wally6193 Oh sorry about that, yeah that was just custom built by a local guy. He ordered the rods and then assembled everything. It’s super sturdy.
@@DivineAV yeah it looks good and sturdy
How would a 5000 look with a lumagen pro
About half as good as a 5000 ES with a Mad VR. Feel free to reach out and speak with one of our experts. We can get you set up
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20k hrs is to half brightness, the laser still works. The new units are lighter due to smaller sxrd panels, light-path and lenses. Thanks for comparisonz what reality creation setting did you have on the Sony? It's always CRUCIAL to declare this. Still I'm buying the Sony blind over the Epson hopefully in a few weeks when shipment gets in!
@@peterwood2633 Yeah that depends on the content. This content was decent quality off of a USB drive. It’s all they had available at the warehouse. Turn it up to 40 or 50 and you’ll see a pretty significant sharpness increase. But it does introduce a bit of grain to the image
Let's face it Epson thought they had a good value but Sony smoked them i checked out the ls1200 the lack of detail kept me waiting now the sony's on the way!!
Feel free to reach out whenever you’re ready, my brother. We will take care of you. We have a few units but we are still filling our pre-orders. We should have open inventory very soon. Divineavinc@gmail
Hey,,,,, I am very Interested in Sony* projector,,,,,, all I wanted to know what's the images size?? how manny inches that screen will have In Sony projector how manny inches up to????
Please let me know. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
About 150” with accuracy. Feel free to contact us if you have questions or want to purchase the unit. Thanks
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Thanks this video made me feel better about how much I paid and how long I waited for my 5000. Had it for a week and was second guessing myself
Congratulations, it’s a fantastic unit. Let us know if you need anything else for your home theater. Thank you, my friend.
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Atleast you have yours!
Why were you second guessing it?
@@TonikQL thought the Epson would be closer in terms of picture. It looks horrible in this side by side to me
What's the source material called for the hot air balloon scene and the church scene?
It was demo content off of a flash drive. I’ll see if I can get a hold of it and post it on our channel.
What size screen is that?
150”
Appreciate the video. I owned a JVC NX7 for the last 3 years and recently picked up a LS12000. While I do think it throws a fantastic picture, I can make out the pixel structure from my first row seating (10') on my 141" scope image. Based on all the Sony XW5000s you've seen, would you say they've have good focus and panel uniformity? I had a VW715 for a brief while, but the white uniformity was pretty bad so I'm been a little hesitant on going back to Sony. Thanks again
I am going to be shooting my NX7 on to a 160” CIH screen. I feel like it won’t have the brightness I need. I’m eyeing the ls12000 as a potential replacement. What are your thoughts on them.
Bonjour Monsieur, je compte acheter un vidéo projecteur EPSON LS 12000 pour le mettre dans une salle de spa sur un écran de 140 pouces. Le jacuzzi sera à 70 pouces de l’écran Pensez-vous qu’à cette distance les clients verront les pixels ? - Pouvez-vous me dire si l’image projetée sera d’excellente qualité pour des vidéos sur la nature en 4K en 30fps ?
- Est-ce que l’interpolation d’images améliorera la fluidité sur du 30 fps ?
Merci beaucoup pour vos réponses. Le meilleur pour vous.
Any Plans to show the 5000 vs the JVC RS1100 (laser vs lamp but more similar in price)?
We will see what we can do
If I'm not mistaken, the same thing happened sharpness wise when you compared the Sony to the JVC, or Am I remembering incorrectly?
Yeah, the Sony appears to be sharper than pretty much anything but keep in mind that almost all of the other features on the JVC and Epson are a bit more advanced. The sharpness of the image is literally just one attribute to look at. I just installed an LS 12,000 and the customer was completely blown away. It’s a ridiculously good projector. It has some of the craziest adjustments I’ve ever seen at that price point. Take the video with a grain of salt, feel free to schedule a demonstration of our show room if you’re looking to purchase a projector. It’s much better to see it in person
@@DivineAV Thank you, but in the video you guys kept reminding us that you kept going back and noticing the difference in definition even when looking at other attributes, your words, not mine..lol.
@@luigy39 yeah I see your point. It’s probably because my personal preference is a sharper image. But personal preference aside, I really do see a lot of the benefits and the other projectors as well. I’ve been installing quite a few Epson‘s this week and the clients are very happy. We will do a separate video on each projector to dive more into the individual pros and cons
@@DivineAV Thank you, I think your comparison videos are very important to the consumer and we all appreciate the effort that you put into it.
@@luigy39 that really means a lot. Thank you very much. We will try our best to get more content out.
Could someone please tell me what type of projection screen was used???? and what was the gain on the screen???
It’s a 1.1 gain Severtson
Great review. Best Wishes.
I was concerned about the refresh on the Sony 5000ES I ordered and the Epson LS12000, plus I could have gotten the Epson a lot sooner. My Sony finally showed up yesterday and I 100% made the right choice, it was well worth the wait. Absolutely stunning for a "reasonable" pricetag
Awesome! Congratulations. Let us know if you need anything else for your Home Theater. Enjoy!
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Is it possible some of the blurriness of the Epson was due to the fact that it was paused? Idk if that also pauses the pixel shifting?
Yes, a bit. But they also enhanced clarity in a software update. Pretty good now
Epson on the latest firmware? They say the firmware improves sharpness.
Yes, it was updated. The Epson looks fantastic by itself. They both have positive attributes.
Dali IKON six mkii and vokal mkii center are my speakers! No outrigger feet on the towers? Brave
@divineav - I just stumbled across this excellent comparison video and happen to have this new Sony sitting in a box ready to be installed! Apologies if someone already asked this, but can you share the Sony configuration settings? I have a dedicated theater and would love to just be able to mimic your settings :)
It should not need any calibration. Out of the box it's pretty much on par. The difference in calibration would be almost impossible to tell.
I have calibrated several projectors and this was the first one I never touched the settings, except laser output and gamma setting.
Can you please make a comparison video between 290ES and XW5000es? I read reviews which states that 290ES still remains sharper. Just want to know if it’s really worth the extra dollars considering 290ES is available at a steak price now.
Did you update the Epson firmware for the sharpness fix?
Yes, that was the first thing we did
It’s a phenomenal projector. We will be doing a separate Epson video
Didn’t the epson have a update that improved picture quality? The Sony looks brighter in this video, or am I crazy?
Yeah, the Epson does look a bit better after the update, but I talked to Epson and they said the update wasn’t supposed to do anything with the resolution. It’s confusing. The features on the Epson are fantastic. The Sony is not brighter. They are about the same when set at 75% laser output, like in this video. The Epson does get a bit brighter than the Sony when you crank it up to 100% laser output
I found on my Epson 6050UB that 4k pixelshift is actually worse vs 1080p native in terms of sharpness. I would recommend running the LS in 1080p and compare sharpness.
Does anyone know the throw length for the Sony?
It’s actually very good. You can do about a 160 inch screen with 18 foot of throw distance. Feel free to reach out if you’re looking to order one.
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Earned a sub.+like! Love it!
That Epson has no chance... holy crap, I thought it would be close.
I just saw both of these back to back at my local HT shop. The Sony destroyed the epson. I’m spending the extra grand for sure.
The sony is a beast. If you haven’t purchased yet, feel free to reach out. We’d love to earn your business
Great video comparison! Would be helpful to know the screen used in the tests. size, gain, and texture as this could affect perceived brightness, blacks, and detail.
Thank you very much, it is a 150” 1.3 gain acoustically transparent screen
xaxaxax πως φαινετε οτι θελετε να προοθήσετε τον sony? απλώς δεν κανατε focus στον epson
It seems to me eyes that the color tonality in Epson looks better than Sony. Not sure, what the exact color science of each video clip is, but lets say for example at 4:15, the image from Sony has a purplish, closer to magenta tint compared to Epson's more grounded, closer to earth blue gray tone. I also find Epson's build quality, as seen in this video to be better, even though Sony has the "cooler" Stars Wars type design. It would be nice for this video to have focused more on film content as well, since the main use for these type of projectors are for Home Theatre and not for gaming. In the final analysis, all these tests, more or less, are a bit blind and subjective since the image is being recorded from a wall or screen, and then re-encoded through you tube's compression etc.
Great comparison. Thank you.
Thank you for watching and for your support. We do want to do another video because the Epson definitely has some features that the Sony does not. Like the geometry correction, automatic lens cap etc. As far as pure resolution, the Sony is the winner but both amazing projectors
@@DivineAV Okay - but bottom line it. If it was your $$ and you could have one. Which one are you taking?
@@iShootFast that’s tough. Sony for resolution and Epson for feature set. Epson can adjust for curved screens.
@@DivineAV Hah. That's still a hedge! You have to pick one. I ask because I just had to make the same decision. I went with the Sony, the picture difference was just too big of a gap - particularly in the detail. Sony's color processing has always been a standout, but in your shootout - the difference in detail was pretty eye opening. When I go back and look at how we used our existing projector - once it was set up, that was it. Just turn it on and go. So really , picture quality was the biggest thing for me. I don't know if its pixel-shift vs true 4k ....or the processors....or both - but I did the Sony. And we had always done Epson prior. And my Epson's have been workhorses, but this time Sony got my $.
@@iShootFast we sell both :) i like your thought process though ;)
If you have a Scope screen it will be very hard to not choose the Epson.
Couldn’t agree more. The Epson is absolutely ridiculous when it comes to its feature set especially geometry correction.
The Sony is 2,000 ANSI lumens, but Epson is not rated in ANSI Lumens. Did ypunguys compare the maximum brightness on both of them?
Overall, very similar maximum brightness. We have additional videos with exact specifications coming soon. The Epson is slightly brighter and maximum light output mode.
Seems that this comparision isn't fair. You should have calibrated both.
yeah, we will do another one with both calibrated. We intended on doing it sooner but we have been pretty busy with installations. Keep in mind also that the software update on the LS 12,000 made the perceived resolution a bit sharper.
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What do you think about Sony's panel degradation? Is it worth to risk it?
Thanks for your question. We have sold well over 1000 Sony projectors in the past 10 years. It’s totally negligible. Sure, you could measure on day 1 and year 10 to see a difference. But that’s like buying a new car, dyno testing on day 1 with 0 miles and then expecting the same result at 100,000 miles. You will have wear on any unit. The units are solid. Thanks
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@@ChristianBungert 33months is not a lot 😔 did you fixed that? Is it fixable at all?
When I saw Sony's demo of the xw7000es as Audio Advice Live last weekend the shadow detail was embarrassingly terrible and crushed to oblivion. I couldn't believe they had the guts to demo it in the room right next to the NZ9, which of course showed outstanding shadow detail. I couldn't imagine any sane person choosing the 7000 over the NZ9 based off of the demo.
Are you noticing this problem in your Sony units? If not, is there any way to account for this?
Hey boss, we haven’t done videos on the higher end units yet but we haven’t seen a major issue with crushing dark tones, at least on the 6000 and 5000 units. We will definitely do more testing and try to get some more content out on these units ASAP. Thank you so much for watching and we appreciate your support
@Zachary Setzer how the calibration on the units?
@@percybedford6266 The Sony rep was there. I assume he calibrated it but who knows. Similar results were reported at MWAVE on Sony units also calibrated by their own rep.
@@Zachary_Setzer I remember making a comment in another vid about the calibration on the Sony at MWAVE and a Sony rep replied to me and said he didn't have enough time with the machine to dial it in. Who knows though. I can see them releasing a firmware update in the near future.
@@percybedford6266 Yeah I saw that comment also. The problem seems more like a video processing problem than a calibration problem. In terms of calibration maybe a custom gamma curve would help, but there just doesn't seem to be any comparison on the tone mapping front. Still waiting for more info on how the Sonys perform with external DTM. The MWAVE example is all I can find.
I ain't making accusations but I've seen this Epson ls12,000 in person it looks absolutely amazing I don't know what they're doing to their settings in this review comparison but I have not seen the Sony in person so what's going on here .
Resolution seems to have improved after the last software update. We sell both projectors and are not bias to either unit. The Epson has way more features than the Sony. Sony seems to have an edge on resolution even after the updates. Price point is relatively similar so it’s kind of a tossup and that’s why we have all of these on display so people can check them out for themselves. We are selling a bunch of both
Great video, it was a very interesting comparison. This is obviously a well informed channel but I have to ask with all respect if this was the most fair comparison possible? I noted you said you calibrated the projectors the same, but for as much hype as I've heard surrounding the LS12000, based on this video that Sony VPL absolutely blows it out of the water in every single way. The colors, the sharpness, the contrast, none of it was even close. Even alone the Epson looked surprisingly disappointing, so again I'm just kinda wondering if it was set to the best settings possible? Most people who can afford a $5k projector can probably afford a $6k projector, so are there actually any good reasons not to choose the Sony?
We made it as fair as possible. The Epson definitely has an incredible feature set. Having the ability to do geometry correction, build quality and brightness is fantastic. By itself it is actually pretty good. Side-by-side, the Sony beat it in sharpness. Put a MadVR on the units and it’s a whole different ball game. Far more equal. Stay tuned for more testing including my VR. If you’re looking to pick on these units up, we would appreciate The business. Take care my friend
@@DivineAV Thanks for the reply. Could you explain a bit about the MadVR and when you plan to make that video?
@@mikehendrickson85 You are very welcome. MadVR is an advanced image processing unit that is installed between your AVR/processor and your projector or TV.
It does frame by frame HDR tone mapping unlike anything you’ve ever seen. This is far superior to any other tone mapping on the market. I have had customers challenge us with specific content and we were able to exceed their expectations.
Mad VR extreme does advanced nonlinear stretching and therefore has the ability to remove or reduce the black bars that you get from 2.39 content.
It also does Advanced image enhancement, upscaling, extreme shadow recovery, curved screen manipulation and way more. This is on display in our Frisco show room. If you’re interested, we are happy to get you more information and put you with one of our professional system design experts.
These are very advanced products ranging from $8000-$13,500 MSRP. They are definitely for premium Home Cinema users but when you consider that we recently have been beating some $30,000+ projectors with $5000 and $6000 units and MadVR. The value is clearly right in front of us. Thanks buddy
@@mikehendrickson85 We will have videos out by next week on the MadVR and Kaleidescape systems. We are a direct dealer for both
@@DivineAV Nice, it'd be great to see the Sony 5000 and Epson 12000 compared with and without MadVR
I just can't cant choose the Sony over the Epson for the lack of HDMI 2.1
Wow, I'm surprised how much better the Sony is in terms of clarity. It looks like the Epson focus is off when compared to the Sony!
When they’re not being played side-by-side, the Epson still looks very good. Especially with professional Calibration. They are both really good projectors and they each have their own unique feature set. Thanks for watching
Epson is 2700 lumen and Sony only 2000 so why Sony seems brighter?
Are you genuine with the epson setting?
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Both units were set at about 75%. We don't recommend maxing the units out all the time. The epson is able to get a bit brighter than the Sony in its max setting. Both projectors are awesome in their own ways. If you need help choosing, we offer both units and would be glad to assist. Thanks
I'm more than willing to sacrifice a tad of image quality for the 4K 120hz support.
Yes some of the features that thing has are pretty crazy at the price point
I gotta ask the settings might be off of something I have an optoma uhd50 and it looks better than. The Epson right off rip
Settings are spot on. Calibration was is extensive. I do have to say, we are not a fan of the screen that they have in that show room. It doesn’t do very well with the Epson or the JVC units. It looks much better in our show room out of Frisco. We plan on doing more reviews in our show room now that we have the actual units. These videos were done at the testing facility for one of the companies
This video is concerning as i was about to pull the plug on a LS12000. Ive seen it look a lot better than you portray here. This showing is admittedly 2 yrs old and the Epson is still a current model in their line up. Not sure if the Sony is !
There was a recent Epson software update, like June '24, not sure what it addressed. Im going to search your more recent videos and hope the Epson has come around.
My local dealer sells both brands, but its obvious to anyone they prefer Sonys lineup. That may simply be due to profitability, but their highest end demo room is an amazing Sony. I have not asked them which model, but just walking in the room, i can tell its beyond my pocket ! Its sourced with a Kaleidoscape $$$.
@@Kiwi-ot3wz thank you so much for watching. Yes the Epson was updated and it is now significantly sharper. There’s benefits to both projectors. The Epson has overall a bit higher built quality and it has advanced geometric correction for curved screens and other situations. Is about equal and both projectors are current lineup. Prices the same and Dealer margin is nearly identical so there shouldn’t be any dealer pushing one unit over the other. We sell both projectors. Put them side-by-side, the Sony is slightly sharper, but color accuracy might be a bit better on the Epson. You’ll be satisfied with either Projector when it’s in your house and not being directly compared to another Projector. We do need to do an updated video for sure.
If you’re in the DFW area and the best demonstrations, give us a call. if not, work with your local dealer and he, or she should be able to point out the exact pros and cons of each unit. We greatly appreciate you watching and subscribe for more :-)
Not sure if you did the update with the Epson projector to the latest software. But with the update the Epson is a lot sharper and has a lot more detail.
Yes we performed the update prior to the video
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The Sony is better on almost everything. The Epson is good but it should be maybe 2999 - 3499 not 5000..
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The Epson is actually quite a bit brighter than the Epson, so what gives? The MWAVE comparisons side by side did not make the Epson looked so dim and they were both calibrated too. Epson is rated at 2700 lumens. Sony at 2000 lumens. Yet Sony looks way brighter than the Epson in this side by side?
These units were both to 75% laser output. If you turn them up to 100% Epson is slightly brighter. Also with software updates, it’s significantly sharper now. Stay tuned to the channel because we have another Epson video coming out very soon. Thanks for watching.
When is the new Epson video coming out?
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I thought you guys were a review company.
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Oh, I’m sorry boss. Yeah we are actually a custom integrator in DFW. We do TH-cam in our spare time. We have installed thousands of projectors and TVs so we figured we should share some info.