True. Leaving a gap between the panel and the wall helps. Otherwise the frame could transmit sound into the wall if it was directly mounted. Well built panels too.
@@Bruh-bx9mh Putting a gap between panel and substrate is called F or E mounting, and has to do with increasing measured absorption through creating a plate effect, not preventing transmission of sound. No gap is referred to as A mounting. The sound will transmit through the wall whether there is a panel on it or not. You can block transmission through either a resilient mount or sufficiently thick wall. If you're not interested in cracking open a wall and reinstalling the drywall on an isomax clip or RC3 then you're stuck with the direct transmission. Reducing the RT60 can help but does not eliminate the problem.
@@Bruh-bx9mh The rule of thumb is your gap should be half the thickness of your panel. A 4" thick panel would need a 2" gap, 6" thick = 3" gap, etc. But honestly any amount of gap is better than no gap. Even 1x2 across the back will work.
No. The gap is so the sound passes through the panel hits the walls and tries to pass through again. I heard someone describe it as panels being “twice as thick”. Which is pretty close to accurate.
I’ve been building my own panels for years, slight variation on how you do it. My favorite part of making sound panels? Going to Goodwill and finding the fabric in whatever funky pattern catches my eye.✌🏻
This man gets it! I’m a lover of having options, and the fact that in literally 2 minutes I can completely transform the sound of the room is incredible.
@@marcosaruca5283 Nah. It’s way better to have it deadened even for drums. Of course you can experiment if you want a raw room sound but as a producer for over ten years, I’d rather have a solid recording with no room reflection at all. It gives me full control over how I want the drums to sound.
@@marcosaruca5283 once you put that slight reverb “in” the drum tracks. You have just limited and “decided” how much reverb is going to be on the drums. You can’t go heavy with a big room reverb now. Because those early reflections in your room mics will un-objectively sound horrible. Once they are also reverberated. Same reason guitarist need to turn off amp reverb for any real recording efforts. Sure it sounds ok now. Cuz we can’t even hear it. But once I put the big solo reverb on you. It’s gonna sound like garbage.
For every “like” this video gets, David gets one step closer to the headlining spot on the illustrious TH-cam algorithm stage. Still gotta take a cut from your merch table sales though. But hey! I got a lukewarm, half-eaten, Little Caesar’s hot-n-ready for you back in kitchen! Welcome to the show-business, kiddo!
One of the best echo killers I've found is a book shelf filled with books of different sizes. Works great, is multi purpose and prbly doesn't cost as much as a professional acoustic panel (especially, if you own a ton of books, anyway). That's also what makes a library one of the best places to play your drums 😉
@bmw_m4255 The timing on this is really crazy, but yes we did do this to our rehearsal spot. And ack to the timing thing in November I'm going to be doing this to my own studio room after we settle in from the moving. Oh and the trick for these panels to work good is looking into what will work best with the material your walls are made out of and use that for the inside muffling material
The Rockwool dims of the insulation could have been used to eliminate a lot of the cutting to determine the size of the panels before making them. For instance, the standard for the home depot product is 15.25in by 47in so you could easily make the sections interior dims so it would fit this better. Like 30.5 by 47 would be two pieces side by side. Or cutting them in half would give you 23.5 in by 15.25 which doubled would be 30.5 or trippled or quadrupled to eliminate a lot of small piece cutting.
Take two of those panels off of the walls and mount them on the ceiling over the drums, and you can have a little more liveliness back in the room.... and get rid of the comb filtering that I can still hear.
I dont have a real kit anymore. But I just had an idea of getting bass drum screws and using them on reso tom heads so the rim and head just hang with a small gap between them and the shell. Wondering how it would sound, and you're the guy who trys everything drums.
Now you can remove the dampening for nice and bright reverb re-amping/ recording..... No dampening on the ceiling? those cymbals still can overpower the total sound.
Having a ceiling fan is both a blessing and curse for a room this small haha. Convincing the landlords to allow me to do this project alone was a huge achievement haha.
6-7 pcf fiberglass boards, Guilford FR701-2100 fabric, and Super77 make for a much faster build, and offer more Sabins of absorption per cubic inch than low density insulation like rockwool or fiberglass batt insulation. Finding rigid FG can be tough if you don't know a distributor, but any drywall/ACT distributor should be able to get it for you. Might cost more but it saves time and space!
I feel bad for all the Bryce’s watching this video while dozing off to sleep to be woken up in cold sweat when this guys said “teleport to Bryce’s house.” Couldn’t be me.
Too much drumline and angsty music in my formative years has given me permanent grumps face. Still trying to learn how drum in front of a camera. But hey! Better than “bored face” from my last video!
I want your friend to get nice curtains or something for that room. The wood paneling is GORGEOUS (and the red of the acoustic panels looks great in there too), and the cheap plastic Venetian blinds mess with the otherwise excellent aesthetic. That’s your unsolicited advice from an opinionated shut-in dork for the day.
Nice work. If you didn't want to buy the Z clips you could have made french cleats out of scrap wood, not hating just saying. Instead of that weed barrier, I was wondering about using Dynamat on the back? Extra deadening.
@@Merlincat007 I glued mine to some pegboard and wrapped in fabric so it would have some rigidity and they've been great for a couple years now. even survived moving with no issues.
Idk, I like the sound of the untreated room better. Sounds bigger, and with some close micing that would be an amazing 'room' sound. With the room treated, imo it sounds too dry, I'd say claustrophobic even...
@@Korsfestelse I doubt that. Maybe a little, but to isolate a room acoustically there must not be any untreated spot on the walls. Even small holes (to pass cables through, for example) have to be especially cared for, as well as windows and doors.
Hey my brother interruppted me in the middle of watching role-plays to ask you to give him your snare idk what it is if no good because he broke his last one LOL 😆😆
Yes, absolutely, however they don't soundproof. Soundproofing keeps noise IN the room from escaping OUT of the room. This is just acoustic treatment, which keeps sound in the room from bouncing all over the place and adding unwanted reverb and buildup of low frequencies.
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@@senatortroutwould acoustic treatment prevent my neighbors from complaining?
I know the difference between sound insulation vs sound deadening, and these are for insulation. What I want to know is how much of a deadening or lowering of the volume occurred once these were installed? None, a little, moderate?
Actually, if you use aluminum framing instead of that heavy plywood, and can keep the panel weight under 14lbs, command strips can work! I have several 10lb GIK Acoustic panels hung with command strips.
I hung a bunch of things at our rental. When we were moving out I just went through and filled in all my holes with some DAP. They had to repaint anyway, so we got our full deposit back. If you want to minimize holes, you could use a picture hanging wire kit, which will hang the panel on one screw. Just make sure it’s in a stud or it will eventually rip out. Or for even less damage, you can build some legs for it to stand on the ground.
No more drumming in a cave! The panels cost 13 exposures to make 😉
In a cave!!! With a box of scraps!!!
Honestly not a bad deal. It's a lot more exposure than I've ever had actually sent my way.
But caves are so fun sometimes too!
how much did it cost David?
😂😂😂
I'm a big fan of the rythmic editing. Definitely fits with a drum channel
CHTST
Welcome to rdavidr
Haha I loved that too
I'm not
True. Leaving a gap between the panel and the wall helps. Otherwise the frame could transmit sound into the wall if it was directly mounted. Well built panels too.
Oh
How big should the gap be?
@@Bruh-bx9mh Putting a gap between panel and substrate is called F or E mounting, and has to do with increasing measured absorption through creating a plate effect, not preventing transmission of sound. No gap is referred to as A mounting. The sound will transmit through the wall whether there is a panel on it or not. You can block transmission through either a resilient mount or sufficiently thick wall. If you're not interested in cracking open a wall and reinstalling the drywall on an isomax clip or RC3 then you're stuck with the direct transmission. Reducing the RT60 can help but does not eliminate the problem.
@@Bruh-bx9mh The rule of thumb is your gap should be half the thickness of your panel. A 4" thick panel would need a 2" gap, 6" thick = 3" gap, etc. But honestly any amount of gap is better than no gap. Even 1x2 across the back will work.
No. The gap is so the sound passes through the panel hits the walls and tries to pass through again. I heard someone describe it as panels being “twice as thick”. Which is pretty close to accurate.
It’s crazy how much of a difference the panels make in the sound… goes from sounding like a cement basement to a professional studio
Where did you get a nail gun that keeps perfect time?👍👍
At the gig he replaced me at 😒
Sounds much better! Great work
Thanks bro!
I’ve been building my own panels for years, slight variation on how you do it.
My favorite part of making sound panels?
Going to Goodwill and finding the fabric in whatever funky pattern catches my eye.✌🏻
Whats good is that you made them removeable so that you can experiment with reverb i feel the room is a little dry but hey to each his own
This man gets it! I’m a lover of having options, and the fact that in literally 2 minutes I can completely transform the sound of the room is incredible.
For recording I think it should be completely deadened though. It gives you the most control over the sound in the production process.
@Jordan Blue for vocals yes for drums no once you start layering music they can stand out ton much some air is good....you can always add gates
@@marcosaruca5283 Nah. It’s way better to have it deadened even for drums. Of course you can experiment if you want a raw room sound but as a producer for over ten years, I’d rather have a solid recording with no room reflection at all. It gives me full control over how I want the drums to sound.
@@marcosaruca5283 once you put that slight reverb “in” the drum tracks. You have just limited and “decided” how much reverb is going to be on the drums. You can’t go heavy with a big room reverb now. Because those early reflections in your room mics will un-objectively sound horrible. Once they are also reverberated. Same reason guitarist need to turn off amp reverb for any real recording efforts. Sure it sounds ok now. Cuz we can’t even hear it. But once I put the big solo reverb on you. It’s gonna sound like garbage.
That last part was hilarious! But I actually preferred the untreated sound for the drums. Guitar, bass and vocals would ROCK in that room!
David, your channel is one of the best here in TH-cam. Incredibly good content, videos so well made and very useful stuff! Thank you!
Thanks! 😬
It’s criminal that you still haven’t hit 250k
Gotta say…love your table saw set up…that’s all.
For every “like” this video gets, David gets one step closer to the headlining spot on the illustrious TH-cam algorithm stage.
Still gotta take a cut from your merch table sales though. But hey! I got a lukewarm, half-eaten, Little Caesar’s hot-n-ready for you back in kitchen!
Welcome to the show-business, kiddo!
One of the best echo killers I've found is a book shelf filled with books of different sizes. Works great, is multi purpose and prbly doesn't cost as much as a professional acoustic panel (especially, if you own a ton of books, anyway).
That's also what makes a library one of the best places to play your drums 😉
My band mates and I were just talking about doing this to our practice spot. Once again you have inspired me, thank you
You never did it
Did you
@bmw_m4255 The timing on this is really crazy, but yes we did do this to our rehearsal spot. And ack to the timing thing in November I'm going to be doing this to my own studio room after we settle in from the moving. Oh and the trick for these panels to work good is looking into what will work best with the material your walls are made out of and use that for the inside muffling material
0:55 re: saw fuzz, zero clearance insert takes care of that very nicely.
Wow, I’m going to overhaul all the treatment in my room, make these, and then put them up instead. These look so nice and uniform and work so well.
Big improvement. Adding a cloud would make it even better.
Back in the day we stapled carpet padding to the walls. This looks much nicer.
Great Job! I am doing same thing for media room, but just 48 x 24 so insulation fits prefect
Those panels look really nice, props my dude
Huge difference - I built some very similar panels - rockwool is the stuff. Nice job as always
The Rockwool dims of the insulation could have been used to eliminate a lot of the cutting to determine the size of the panels before making them. For instance, the standard for the home depot product is 15.25in by 47in so you could easily make the sections interior dims so it would fit this better. Like 30.5 by 47 would be two pieces side by side. Or cutting them in half would give you 23.5 in by 15.25 which doubled would be 30.5 or trippled or quadrupled to eliminate a lot of small piece cutting.
I wonder what the effort difference would be between cutting all the wood to make this shape vs not cutting the insulation down?
Thats a pretty incredible difference. They look really nice too
Sick 80’s drums at the beginning lmao
Yo david! Love the content! Your tips have saved my ass more times than I can count
Same here, especially the snare strap hack!
Thanks dudes! 🤘
Love the editing, well done man
Perfect timing! Thank you:)
yep. that’s where im goin. thx for this concise informative video
Holy shit that sounds way better at the end, well done!
I built panels like this and used a manual stapler, and my wrists/hands were so sore after making 20 + panels. Good call on not doing that. lol
RIP haha
Auralex is shitting right now. "OMG... they just made 15 acoustic panels for what we charge for one." LOL
Awesome! These DIY videos are really cool too 🙂
Nice rhythm touch with the nail gun!
sound is vastly improved and those panels are sexy as hell!
Liked for the on beat nailgun licks
another great build by raouf industries
The red panels with the wood paneling, real old church vibes
Nice job Dave!
there's a snake in your workshop at 1:03 at the blue thingy
Exposure, my favorite currency
That ending really hits you in the feelz lmao 😂👍
The beats in 6:03 and 6:45 somehow matches I'm in Love with My Car by Queen (until he uses the hi-hats)
amazing! the best video where explain it clearly... thanks :)
very cool! might have to make something similar with my father
Dude, is it possible to make a pumpkin snare drum? That would be a very interesting video 🎃
I tried it once
Nice kit 🎸
Another great video. Z clips. Got to get some.
Take two of those panels off of the walls and mount them on the ceiling over the drums, and you can have a little more liveliness back in the room.... and get rid of the comb filtering that I can still hear.
I dont have a real kit anymore. But I just had an idea of getting bass drum screws and using them on reso tom heads so the rim and head just hang with a small gap between them and the shell. Wondering how it would sound, and you're the guy who trys everything drums.
"Can I pay you in exposure?" Oh the pain!
The snare sounds better without the panels, but I like how the toms sound with them.
dead is dead.
That ending! Lol
Sounds super controlled! But I wanna know how he mounted his spd there.
Now you can remove the dampening for nice and bright reverb re-amping/ recording.....
No dampening on the ceiling? those cymbals still can overpower the total sound.
Having a ceiling fan is both a blessing and curse for a room this small haha. Convincing the landlords to allow me to do this project alone was a huge achievement haha.
@@yetixcoreRVA ahaaa! got it hahahaha
Sounds great 💯
6-7 pcf fiberglass boards, Guilford FR701-2100 fabric, and Super77 make for a much faster build, and offer more Sabins of absorption per cubic inch than low density insulation like rockwool or fiberglass batt insulation. Finding rigid FG can be tough if you don't know a distributor, but any drywall/ACT distributor should be able to get it for you. Might cost more but it saves time and space!
I was expecting a $15 gift card there or something at the end 🤣
Haha the ending!
Last line of video 😂😂😂👍
If you pull them an inch or two off of the wall, you'll get an even more noticeable improvement!
Awesome!
I feel bad for all the Bryce’s watching this video while dozing off to sleep to be woken up in cold sweat when this guys said “teleport to Bryce’s house.” Couldn’t be me.
FYI, this use of weed barrier is FAR better than its intended use as it hardly stops weeds at all.
imagine having a friend like rdavidr, that you can call locally for stuff like this lol..
crazy
video idea: drumset, all field cymbals
Drumming in a cave sounds badass
Bryce looks like the beats he's making.
this is a link i will actually click. if i ever start going to live shows again, this will likely be in my breast pocket.
Bryce has the angriest drum face I've ever seen and I dig it
Too much drumline and angsty music in my formative years has given me permanent grumps face. Still trying to learn how drum in front of a camera.
But hey! Better than “bored face” from my last video!
Great schtuff!
Q - What cymbals did he use? Loved the sound!
Bro, you have a badass shop. Do you you make cabinets for a living?
I want your friend to get nice curtains or something for that room. The wood paneling is GORGEOUS (and the red of the acoustic panels looks great in there too), and the cheap plastic Venetian blinds mess with the otherwise excellent aesthetic.
That’s your unsolicited advice from an opinionated shut-in dork for the day.
rdavidr is the seth bike hacks of the drum world
Impressive acting skills!
Great video, I’m a drummer and wood worker. You’ve inspired me to make some acoustic panels . Thanks
Nice work. If you didn't want to buy the Z clips you could have made french cleats out of scrap wood, not hating just saying. Instead of that weed barrier, I was wondering about using Dynamat on the back? Extra deadening.
Very true! I was too lazy to make the cleats tbh lol.
Dave makes me feel not as manly as i thought I was
Sweet! Rockwool is great. The frames are nice but you can definitely just mount rockwool panels wrapped in fabric to your walls!
It won't look quite as nice but it's a lot less effort! Especially when rockwool itself is quite cheap
@@Merlincat007 I glued mine to some pegboard and wrapped in fabric so it would have some rigidity and they've been great for a couple years now. even survived moving with no issues.
@@travisnof Good idea! I might be making another set soon and this could be helpful
That nail gun lined up with the drums (very nice by the way) makes me wonder what a nail gun on drums would sound like? Am I a sadist 😅
Honestly, I would’ve only wanted 1 or 2 because I love big open verby rooms.
When you want that boomy sound all you have to do is take a few off
We laughed at how good it sounded before haha. These are super easy to remove if needed though! #happydesignaccident lol
7:37 my way of get paid
Now do the 9inch clouds
Heard my name on this video thought I’d see what I was up to 😜
Can we get a materials list? Like where do you buy the insulation panels?
Idk, I like the sound of the untreated room better. Sounds bigger, and with some close micing that would be an amazing 'room' sound.
With the room treated, imo it sounds too dry, I'd say claustrophobic even...
I agree. The only thing that'd tempt me to do something like this is whether it controls the sound OUTSIDE of the room as well
@@Korsfestelse I doubt that. Maybe a little, but to isolate a room acoustically there must not be any untreated spot on the walls. Even small holes (to pass cables through, for example) have to be especially cared for, as well as windows and doors.
4:57 How did you make the spacers blink here?
Hey my brother interruppted me in the middle of watching role-plays to ask you to give him your snare idk what it is if no good because he broke his last one LOL 😆😆
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
hmm just wondering, where did you place the overhead mic,
Would it make a difference putting panels above the drummer on the ceiling?
Yes! Drop them down a few inches off the ceiling or make bigger panels to trap the most sound
Can this soundproof CONCRETE walls, since my house isn't wooden?
Yes, absolutely, however they don't soundproof. Soundproofing keeps noise IN the room from escaping OUT of the room. This is just acoustic treatment, which keeps sound in the room from bouncing all over the place and adding unwanted reverb and buildup of low frequencies.
@@senatortroutwould acoustic treatment prevent my neighbors from complaining?
@ it would lower the noise a bit by controlling it but you want soundproofing not sound treating
do a video using field cymbals as hats
funny enough, those are lol. Assuming you mean marching crashes? They have been modded tho, loooooots of weight removed from them
How come no pannels on the ceiling.
Good lord those hi-hats are massive! What are they, 18 inch?
Those are 16’s actually! They sound so killer!
I know the difference between sound insulation vs sound deadening, and these are for insulation. What I want to know is how much of a deadening or lowering of the volume occurred once these were installed? None, a little, moderate?
What do you suggest for mounting these in a rented apartment/house kind of deal? Guessing command strips wouldn't do the job lol
Actually, if you use aluminum framing instead of that heavy plywood, and can keep the panel weight under 14lbs, command strips can work! I have several 10lb GIK Acoustic panels hung with command strips.
I hung a bunch of things at our rental. When we were moving out I just went through and filled in all my holes with some DAP. They had to repaint anyway, so we got our full deposit back.
If you want to minimize holes, you could use a picture hanging wire kit, which will hang the panel on one screw. Just make sure it’s in a stud or it will eventually rip out.
Or for even less damage, you can build some legs for it to stand on the ground.
Really youtube added unskipable 15 sec adds?
It's funny how many of us choose the "red" or wine as color for the panels
That ride sounds amazing what is it?
22” meinl dual. Linked in the description!