Love this interview! so great to see them reacting to the show as fans again and you can see on their faces that they're still having fun watching the show.
@Scooby McDooby Please explain how what I said was a personal attack? 😂 There is a huge difference between saying what someone said is immature, and calling someone a dumbass.
Someone was born yesterday, you can see on their faces the thinly veiled dread of being asked about Doctor Who, and Moffat won't be enjoying the partisan lecture of the week.
Steven Moffat: You can't break the rule of having the Doctor pick up a gun and shoot innocent people. Steven Moffat: Has the doctor pick up a gun and shoot an innocent person
The only time I remember the Doctor shooting someone during the Moffat era was when the 12th Doctor shot the General to save Clara. But that was literally the point of the whole episode..and the season arc infact, that his relationship with Clara was driving him to take uncharacteristically extreme actions, just to keep her alive. Also, the General was a timelord who literally regenerated on the spot, so i don't think it should technically count.
Chibnall took the batton and stuck it on a pile of shit, set it on fire and and as soon as someone complained about the fire he puts it out by pissing on it.
Everything Moffat says fully supports what Chibnall is doing. Chibnall made the Morbius doctors canon again. Moffat said "You don't want break really important rules...but if you can make it fit, and you can make anything fit." Chibnall made it fit. Nothing about his twist doesn't work with canon.
@@bjnz Stop projecting. Moffat is a real fan who actually understands what's important in a story. Chibnall didn't do anything that didn't fit with established canon.
4:04 "...even with the Doctor there's whole sections you don't know about. I don't necessarily want to know every detail". Someone must of also been happy with last week's episode 😏
Ifkr. Hate what Chibbers has done... wish Jodie had a better writer. It wasn't gonna be easy coming after Capaldi and Moffat (The greatest actor-writer duo in the modern show) but Chibbers has ruined what little chance she had..
Technically it still doesn't reveal anything we didn't know before. We still know extremely little about The Doctor's childhood and their past up until we see them in An Unearthly Child. Then The Timeless Children comes in and canonizes the Morbius Doctors and adds an entirely new mystery. What is this other universe and planet The Doctor actually comes from? Who is the Fugitive Doctor and where do they place in the many lives of the character? What is The Division? While I would've much preferred the twist to be The Master instead, saying it ruins the canon we all knew beforehand is simply untrue. I hope the arc continues on to be genuinely good. Time will tell.
Ask ANY actor/writer/director in front of a camera what they think of Jodie Whittaker's Doctor / "ThefirstpersonofcolourtoplaytheDoctorJoMartin" / Dawan's Master... they can only answer one way. "I thought they were great."
En Riz I’d say the problem is you can never tell. With these guys they aren’t in a position where they can say their honest opinion if its NOT positive. Imagine the field day articles would have if any previous Doctor Who’s or showrunners said they don’t like jodie as 13 (actually I think someone has had that field day). Doesn’t matter how they word it news article will print in big blacl “X doesn’t like that the Doctor isn’t a white Male”. We all live in an age where its so easy for all the social pressures to control our behavior, actions, and even words. And we’ve let it and most of us continue along with the idea. We no longer let people even ENTERTAIN ideas we don’t like. These former actors and showrunners have still have a career and social life they can’t let be ruined by one honest opinion, so most of the time they’ll choose their words carefully and probably just say what they think people WANT to hear. Usually something positive and in support. On a side note this mindset is VERY dangerous. We’re inching closer and closer to Fahrenheit 451 and looking at stagnating our own growth by being afraid to speak our honest opinions. The show isn’t going to improve if all the big shots are too afraid to attack it.
UltimateKyuubiFox I actually completely agree and that’s an issue in of itself. 13 is written horribly for a Doctor. For her acting I really can’t tell with how badly she’s written. The new Master and Ruth on the other hand are actually pretty amazing character wise and acting wise. Like does Chibnall WANT us to see how bad he wrote 13?
A mix of Delgado's magnetism and Ainly/Simm's insanity. I don't like the fact that he has to carry this program on his shoulders at times though when he is the villain and not the central character. Sounds harsh but I'm not the only one who's said this sadly. : (
@Matt Jackson This is a good point; I hadn't thought about it, actually. However, as for the sonic screwdriver's weakness against wood: that doesn't really come up very often TBH.
I like his acting, but his character makes so little sense Chibnall didn’t even bother to explain how he can even exist to us and left that to the comment section to theorize about
The new Master was regenerated from John Sims' Master I think as he went down the lift in The Doctor Falls....because John Sims' Master totally killed off Missy. Wouldn't it interesting if Jodi's Master would end up regenerating into a modern Missy?
Except the people making this twisted corpse of doctor who don't care about its history and will never do something that intelligent. They have also made it clear in behind the scenes with Sacha Dhawan that he is (supposed to be - but s11 and s12 are just fanfics and not canon) the next one along from missy, the last master we saw.
??? Surely this could further support the idea the doctor is half human. We have no idea about the doctor's origins now. Basically everything that's been said in the canon prior, can also fit with The Timeless Child.
If anything, this backstory is less contradictory with that idea than the backstory of them being from Gallifrey. As it stands, we don't know the Doctor's true species.
Theoretically, The Doctor could be from an alternate universe where humans advanced scientific knowledge so much that they invented the ability to regenerate. After falling through a hole in spacetime, they are found in our universe and the Time Lords gene-splice the ability for themselves. They proceed to erase The Doctor's memory after whatever the Fugitive Doctor did and force them back into being a child to live a life as a proper Time Lord. Anything's possible!
Great interview! I think it must be so nice for them to be able to enjoy the show as fans before and I do agree with a lot of what they said about canon in Doctor Who. I think the show works best when the viewer can decide their own canon, it gives everyone their own interpretation of the show!
So now we know who the Doc is, thats it, done finished. Its like waiting for He Man to kill Skellotor and he does it in one season, or the kids from dungeons and dragons that get home but they still continue the cartoon.
The doctor is half human, so cannot be the Timeless Child. In any case that was a lie created by the Master along with the ginger baby story and black female doc.
@@fivish Whether the Doctor is half human or not cannot be confirmed now, unless they reveal where the Doctor originally came from before she crossed the boundary.
They couldn't keep John Sims master returning a secret, they couldn't keep the return of Captain Jack a secret, and they couldn't keep Sacha Dhawan character a secret. Its a good thing Who writers don't run the CIA.
It might be a BBC publicity department thing, I believe and hence out of the showrunner and writer's control. As for the CIA, there's been times in its history where it probably would have been better if they hadn't been running the show either.
You don't want to break realy important rules Like the Doctor picking up a gun and killing inocennt people The Doctor: * picking up a gun and killing innocent man under Moffats showrunning *
Canon does count in a tv show as if it didn't then it makes the past series that have come before completely irrelevant. For example Missy being killed off but now miraculously still being alive, this needs some explanation or did the master regenerate into this new master, perhaps Missy is a further along regeneration, that would make sense. Simply put some story arcs need explaining. River Song died in the library in Tennants era, but a few series later we finally got to see her timelapse with the 11th and 12th Doctors.we also got an explanation of how the movie Doctor became the war Doctor and saving of gallefrey. We got to find out why and how Clara was living and dying all the time. Every new development must be explained eventually. The new master, the ruth Doctor, the timeless child story arcs need to fit and need explaining, without compromising wat has come before in Doctor Who history. As for the 12 regenerations we now know this can be overturned if granted more regeneration energy, so this rule now has a plausible narrative of how to get passed this issue. Basically put add to the show, not take away from it. Make the story arcs fit into place.
This interview was great, really enjoyed their insights and that they disliked the 12 regeneration limit. In regards to the half human thing I just wrote that off as the doctor still being confused from his regeneration. Plus the Metacrisis doctor to me seemed to contradict the half human thing by how disgusted he is of having one heart.
binkey he used it as an example! Principle is still the same... show runners have a responsibility to maintain loyal to the canon... Chibnall destroyer that!
@@Leo_ai75 Canon... what Canon? You mean that thing that has been rewritten multiple time, like when they indroduced Regeneration in 1966? Or when they visited Atlantis for the second time in 1971 and it absolutely invalidated the first time? Or when the completely rewrote the origin story of the Daleks in 1975? Or when Jamie showed up again in 1985 although he should be back in his own time in Scotland with his mind wiped? Or when Moffat retconned the (first) destruction of Gallifrey and added an uncounted regeneration in 2013? Or... Complaining about canon is just a sophisticated way of saying I don't like this change, which a valid opinion. I for one really didn't like the twists in Day of the Doctor, but the world kept spinning, life went on as usual and Doctor Who stayed an amazing show I am never going to disown even though it does not always turn out the way I want it to.
Lailadida you make some very good points and you are indeed correct, the world will continue to spin! But the show is called Doctor Who! The lead character’s history and origin was a mystery, that’s what made it exciting! I just think that this new origin for the doctor is a means to creating spin off series! I just don’t think it adds anything to the story but rather takes things away!
@@Leo_ai75 Yes, but that's just a matter of taste and has nothing to do with "destruction of canon". I for one really enjoyed the twist this time. I was never a fan of the regeneration limit and also never quite bought that there haven't been any regenerations pre-Hartnell, if only for the fact that I can't quite imagine Hartnell being a little child. For me he needs to be old and grumpy as soon as he comes to exist.
Except he does.... You might not like it but I do believe that this is what he planned. He teased the timeless child in season 11. He showed that a version of the doctor was a fugitive of the judoon yet she doesnt remember her half way through this season. She is now being held accountable for those crimes as part of the division that she cant remember because her memory was erased.
Sarah Higgins if he did then his plan has backfired spectacularly. The last episode had the worst rating of any episode for modern Dr Who and he has lost 2 million viewers in this series alone.
I’m looking through the other comments saying Moffat is praising Chibnall, but I have to say I take this with a grain of salt. Imagine for a moment what would happen if Moffat said anything bad about Chibnall’s era (and it is honestly God Awful. If for whatever reason you like the 1 dimensional characters, boring episodes, lack of total substance, and inconsistencies than you still have to factually admit that Chibnall has created more plot holes and undone more previous writers works in one series than any other show runner). There would be backlash from the media, the bbc would be hurt (making their relationship negative and I’m sure he probably still works with them), and hell they’d probably even spin it to be about 13 being female because the media does that. People like Moffat (anyone in a position of popularity or power or both) simply CANNOT give their honest opinions because the whole world is looking at them for a story or slip up. Its like when Peter Capaldi said Jodie was his favorite Doctor. We haven’t even seen her much yet; he was just being nice and keeping up appearances so the show doesn’t get hurt. Moffat may actually be okay with Chibnall’s utter shit or he may not care at all anymore or maybe he absolutely despises it; it doesn’t matter because when someone asks in public he’s going to have to praise it. Its a bit like politics (or literally is politics). A Republican or Democrat has to be VERY brave to talk shit about a republican or democratic president (respectively) because that makes their party look bad which in turn makes them look bad.
A diplomatic answer would have just been "yeah it was good I think hes doing a great job" but they went into detail and looked like they were genuinely excited. Just because they arent your opinions doesnt mean that they arent theirs.
@Sarah Higgins - well then they must be the only two genuinely excited about Chibnall's hack effluent. And so what? - they're selling the show on his behalf and _feigning_ excitement. That's just as likely, and as BBC employees they'd be obliged to convincingly engender enthusiasm for the series regardless.
@@edwardcatt2399 Their only obligation would probably be dont talk negatively about the show but anything more than that means that they actually are enjoying it.
@Sarah Higgins - Yeah I'm totally sure they're _enjoying_ seeing what they wrote into lore - Doc's new regeneration cycle, Gallifrey rescued and lost and time-locked - being disregarded, retconned and ultimately chucked down the garbage chute.
So, Moffat was liking Brain of Morbius idea of previous Doctors and didn't like 12 regenerations limit. I think that he is overjoyed after The Timeless Children then. So am I.
I’ve been a fan since I was 5 when Jon Pertwee was the Doctor. I’ve been clamouring for a female Doctor since the 80’s when I wanted it to be Joanna Lumley! But after the obliteration of the last 57 years of lore, I’m sorry to say I’m out!! Get anyone... ANYONE else to write the next season please! And while you’re at it, replace that Top Shop Doctor who lacks the gravitas to carry this off! It’s not working. I’ll be back when it is
@@bjnz I'll start with the Space Whale, and Ark in Space. The Emperor Dalek bit as well, destroyed by the Second Doctor. Davros showing up when should have been lost on Earth, maybe, the Moon, but that pocket universe thing just got pulled out of someone's ass. The Master was tossed into the heart of the TARDIS, and there was no satisfying reason for the return. There are plenty more, I wish I had the time.
@@bjnz Rewatch it all then. The Honest Trailer is actually very good. I can't just prechew it, I had more details back when they got released on rec.arts.drwho in usenet. Oh he made Sontaran a woman, Remember wha Linx said when first seeing Sarah? Your blind hero worship is messing with your mind. The "Good Guy" Sontaran is a big rule change as well. The Zygon thing in 50th, that was a total ruination, on a lot of levels, but largely on the half assed factor, World President, that was all-in-all horrible and just to virtue signal over immigration?
You can tell how hard they're trying here, and that they've had enough arguments about it off camera already. Nice save there Moff "she's" he knows he would have been torn apart if he didn't catch that.
@@ChadWho As far as I understand it it is more like a caste. You are born/loomed into the Time Lord caste and it grants you certain priveleges, like unlocking the ability to regenerate (although that might also be true for some other castes, we don't know) and being given the symbiotic nuclei which allow the bonding with a TARDIS (probably a priviledge of the Time Lords). So the Doctor is still a member of the Time Lord caste, although that is pretty irrelevant since the entire system collapsed with the rest of the sociaty. When you look deeper into the EU and extrapolate from there you come up with quite a dystopian picture of Gallifreyan sociaty.
This master is disguised remember Missy calls her self mistress and is all sassy so she is not disguised hence its not her John simm very possible After missy maybe
The fact he knew from tissue compression eliminator shows he is a true whovian. I forgive you for Clara, for Capaldi, for listen, for river, for kill the moon and even for turning bill POTTS into a cybermen...come back...chibnall is so much worse then you were...come back
@@MichaelM28 , he merely pointed out that he was a product of his time...though it does annoy me that Bradley was cast as him, since although he was great as William Hartnell the actor, he was terrible as the first Doctor character.
That's one big mic they're using. Good thing John Barrowman isn't there...I hope. Also love how Moffat said: "I knew about Captain Jack." Proof that John Barrowman told EVERYONE.
I think that they told him, not because of him being former showrunner, but because he is creator of Jack Harkness character. I don't know how it works exactly, but individual episodes authors have some degree of rights to theirs creations.
Two BBC scriptwriters watch a lovingly restored and unique classic car recklessly driven over the edge of a cliff by a maniac. Before even hearing the crash: BBCSW1: (trying to appear in control) D-d-d-d-did you see that?!? BBCSW2: No I did not! And neither did you. BBCSW1: B-b....but he just... BBCSW2: Look. If you start going on about it, you're going to draw attention. Just look happy and smile at the cameras. Say cheese like I'm doing. BBCSW1: But wh- BBCSW2: Its NOT our problem anymore. BBCSW1: Do you think he- BBCSW2: IF HE wants to drive like a madman that's his lookout. Look there's someone about to interview. BBCSW1: But there'll be questions you know. Maybe they'll say its the car, or the engine, not the driver. They could say anything. Like we just left it parked there for anyone to break in or take it. I told you not to leave it there and tell him about it. BBCSW: Look will you just shut up. Everything's alright. If WE say its alright and the Radio Times says it's alright, it's alright. No one will know any different. BBCSW: We spent ages working on that thing. And waited ages to do it too. We could have put it on display. 60 years old that would have been and all you can do is go on about what other people are going to say. BBCSW: Look we've got other work to worry about and these people here.. RT: Hi! Can we just ask one question? BBCSW1: If it's the one we agreed earlier! BBCSW2 (whispering): You've got to hold your nerve. This won't last forever. We got away with HIGH CAMP DRACULA and we're still getting those phone calls at three in the morning about Sherlock and the last episode not making sense. Look, they're not going to ask us back and I was so damned tired of the thing. A Vauxhall Labrador is far less trouble. It barely got past the MOT and that OTT Welsh bloke didn't want it back just yet anyway. Something that precious is just too much responsibility. BBCSW1: He won't get it back it all now will he? Policeman: Excuse me Sirs. Are you the registered owners of the vehicle just found there over that cliff there? BBCSW2: Its changed hands. Just recently. All the papers are correct. Officially authorised. BBCSW1: What about the driver? Policeman: He's doing surprisingly well. More confused than anything. Its more the people around the crash that were a concern. Public Order concerns. This is your responsibility. There was a very large angry mob trying to drag him from the vehicle. Everybody else was just trying to look away, pretending it wasn't happening. Like it's all they could do. The two BBC SWs look at each other. Policeman: The weirdest thing was the thing he crashed into and saved his life...........................a Police Box of all things. TO BE CONTINUED?
He created more gaps though since the doctor doesnt even know how many lives she has had at this point. She could be millions of years old for all we know.
Since Capaldi debut season lots of twists has happened first we have lots of Female to Male or Male to female regenerations first Master became Missy then The General became a female General then The Doctor became a female skip a season Master is back in Male form
All totally unnecessary in narrative terms. Trying to soften up an audience they mostly view as racist and misogynist bigots (which, strangely, I don't ever remember DW viewers as being and yet! Here we are).
I think when Moffatt introduced the character of Missy as a female version of the master. He was been instructed by the BBC to do this to test the water for an eventual female Doctor.
@Little Normani That's an intriging point for me in that I don't remember any problems in that regard - in fact, even with the unfair accusation of signalling 'Stonewall/Pink Politics' back in the day (from some quarters), it always seemed like Russell T could do no wrong in reviving WHO. I presume you mean Doctor #10's Martha? I AM GENUINELY INTRIGUED and I genuinely don't want to come across like the proverbial ostrich. Any anecdotal or even documented examples you can quote with veracity would be appreciated as this is a worthy debate and I would very much appreciate any reply.
@@paulhirst7602 All the evidence points to this being irrefutable, yes! I've been on a few comments strands recently (as I you might have noticed, I'm bloody everywhere), basically telling anyone who'll care to listen that Moffat and Chibnall almost seem MORE (quietly) joined up at the hip than Moffat and Gatiss ever were...
Cap jack was the big thing i doubt they thought that his only in one ep they need to get rid of yaz Ryan graham bring back mickey smith martha jones-smith Captain Jack harkness Christina de souza Jenny the doctors daughter
@@fivish That's honestly what I initially thought, but the way the episode ended made me think otherwise. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Master was lying and it was all made up to just make the Doctor feel like shit
I wish they had more conviction to say what they really think. I find it hard to believe that these two great writers can’t see the obvious and massive failings of the 13th doctors run. The show is dead and has been hijacked by extreme ideologues.
I like that Moffat discredit the fans who are not like Chibnall’s run. It seems that Moffat watch the show for the actual purpose: For entertainment. The (rest of) fans who are dislike Chibnall, they possibly dislike him for he casted a woman for the Doctor’s role. They not try to love enjoy the new episodes anymore, just try to discredit Chibnall. If Moffat was a better writer than Chibnall, the latter just simply not writer good as the earlier. Or Moffat was a too good writer for the show. And those fans who are claim that Moffat lies, it would mean that not a true fan of the show, because of not telling is true judgment is means that his career at the BBC is more important than the show.
Here we are months after you posted and the Dr Who Facebook page is filled with comments from people who are glad Chibnall is leaving. He sucks as a Dr Who showrunner.
Well, in recent developments The Doctor can no longer be deemed half human considering what they revealed in the last episode. I'm I the only person who didn't fully like the last episode?
But, considering the Doctor isn't a Gallifreyan, the Time Lords may have told him he was half human to explain away biological differences between the Doctor and actual Time Lords.
binkey I was referring to Moffat and Gatias still thinking the Doctor could be half human. I was just saying that it doesn't seem like they could do that storyline anymore. I do agree with your explanation, but I'm still bummed about the new developments that have been released.
@@Problembeing I would feel empathic to him, but he's posted this comment so many times that's it's getting ridiculous and he's incredibly rude to pretty much anyone who likes this era. I'm not saying I like the current run, but even I would never go around seeking attention like Micheal here. However, if you think he hasn't done anything wrong, then maybe it would be OK for me to do things like this too. Not saying I will, but it's a free choice.
The Pandorica it’s really not for us to judge an individual for an opinion someone clearly feels warrants repeating. It’s not particularly ‘rude’ or ‘wrong’ simply because you disagree with it. It wasn’t a personal insult to you nor any wrong-doing to you personally. If you don’t like it, ignore it.
The Pandorica Christ knows the number of times people like us have been made unwelcome by the vocal minority that like this era; the death threats; the banning from Whovian groups; the constant trolling; the constant refrains of ‘don’t watch it then’ or ‘get out of this fandom’ - THAT is rude and THAT is wrong.
Chap in the back left corner 6:18 - 6:25 failing to eat something off a stick. :D
...Five rounds rapid!
@Matt Jackson Nah, just caught my eye for some strange reason. :D
thanks for that!
You can hear it HAHAJAHAHABMLL
Maybe he has dyspraxia. According to the scenario of course.
Love this interview! so great to see them reacting to the show as fans again and you can see on their faces that they're still having fun watching the show.
NO ONE is having fun watching the show dumbass. Chinballs and Shittaker destroyed it!
@@MichaelM28 That's your opinion. There are quite a lot of people enjoying it.
Also no need for personal attacks, that's just immature.
@Scooby McDooby Please explain how what I said was a personal attack? 😂
There is a huge difference between saying what someone said is immature, and calling someone a dumbass.
Someone was born yesterday, you can see on their faces the thinly veiled dread of being asked about Doctor Who, and Moffat won't be enjoying the partisan lecture of the week.
@@MichaelM28 Didn't realize a new spelling to "michael mcgrath". Thanks, dumbass!
My respect for Moffat just increased about 400 percent.
You had respect for that piece of shit?
@@MichaelM28 how is he a peace of shit
Completely distracted by lady behind Mark who can’t stand or walk in her heels, so just gives up and walks off with them in her hand, classy!
Steven Moffat: You can't break the rule of having the Doctor pick up a gun and shoot innocent people.
Steven Moffat: Has the doctor pick up a gun and shoot an innocent person
Was literally gonna comment the same thing lmao
That was his point...
@@billygoat9666 what... How?
The only time I remember the Doctor shooting someone during the Moffat era was when the 12th Doctor shot the General to save Clara. But that was literally the point of the whole episode..and the season arc infact, that his relationship with Clara was driving him to take uncharacteristically extreme actions, just to keep her alive.
Also, the General was a timelord who literally regenerated on the spot, so i don't think it should technically count.
Dave Parker His point was that it can never go too far.
Oh funny them talking about Morbius! If only they interviewed them a few days later
Moffat:"I don't necessarily want know every detail...even with the Doctor"
Says the guy who regenerated war into 9🙂
Moffat giving blessing to chris' vision AND Sacha's "Master" was an awesome
"passing of the creative baton " moment..awesome stuff indeed
My goodness clean your glasses you actually believe he endorses what's been going on? Were you born yesterday?
Alex Saunders 4:05 Also endorsing his new storyline I'm sure
@@bjnz haha definitely... chibnall does make defending him difficult for the people obliged to by the BBC doesn't he?
Chibnall took the batton and stuck it on a pile of shit, set it on fire and and as soon as someone complained about the fire he puts it out by pissing on it.
Everything Moffat says fully supports what Chibnall is doing. Chibnall made the Morbius doctors canon again. Moffat said "You don't want break really important rules...but if you can make it fit, and you can make anything fit."
Chibnall made it fit. Nothing about his twist doesn't work with canon.
Wish this interview was done after The Timeless Children. Would of been interesting to hear their views on the retcon
Vital Mode 4:05 No, they really wouldn't. But I expect they're not fans of Chibnall when it comes to Dr. who.
It would have been like something out of 'Scanners'.
@@bjnz they literally just praised him all the way through the interview.. Maybe open you ears.. Oi.
@@bjnz Stop projecting. Moffat is a real fan who actually understands what's important in a story. Chibnall didn't do anything that didn't fit with established canon.
VulcanMushroom cept pissing on Gallifrey
4:04 "...even with the Doctor there's whole sections you don't know about. I don't necessarily want to know every detail". Someone must of also been happy with last week's episode 😏
Ifkr. Hate what Chibbers has done... wish Jodie had a better writer. It wasn't gonna be easy coming after Capaldi and Moffat (The greatest actor-writer duo in the modern show) but Chibbers has ruined what little chance she had..
Technically it still doesn't reveal anything we didn't know before. We still know extremely little about The Doctor's childhood and their past up until we see them in An Unearthly Child. Then The Timeless Children comes in and canonizes the Morbius Doctors and adds an entirely new mystery. What is this other universe and planet The Doctor actually comes from? Who is the Fugitive Doctor and where do they place in the many lives of the character? What is The Division? While I would've much preferred the twist to be The Master instead, saying it ruins the canon we all knew beforehand is simply untrue. I hope the arc continues on to be genuinely good. Time will tell.
Ask ANY actor/writer/director in front of a camera what they think of Jodie Whittaker's Doctor / "ThefirstpersonofcolourtoplaytheDoctorJoMartin" / Dawan's Master... they can only answer one way. "I thought they were great."
Wrooong they just give their thoughts it's not because they're positive that it's a lie
You’re implying a social pressure, meanwhile I think they’re genuinely both more engaging presences on screen than Jodie is.
"Stunning and Brave"
En Riz I’d say the problem is you can never tell. With these guys they aren’t in a position where they can say their honest opinion if its NOT positive. Imagine the field day articles would have if any previous Doctor Who’s or showrunners said they don’t like jodie as 13 (actually I think someone has had that field day). Doesn’t matter how they word it news article will print in big blacl “X doesn’t like that the Doctor isn’t a white Male”. We all live in an age where its so easy for all the social pressures to control our behavior, actions, and even words. And we’ve let it and most of us continue along with the idea. We no longer let people even ENTERTAIN ideas we don’t like. These former actors and showrunners have still have a career and social life they can’t let be ruined by one honest opinion, so most of the time they’ll choose their words carefully and probably just say what they think people WANT to hear. Usually something positive and in support. On a side note this mindset is VERY dangerous. We’re inching closer and closer to Fahrenheit 451 and looking at stagnating our own growth by being afraid to speak our honest opinions. The show isn’t going to improve if all the big shots are too afraid to attack it.
UltimateKyuubiFox I actually completely agree and that’s an issue in of itself. 13 is written horribly for a Doctor. For her acting I really can’t tell with how badly she’s written. The new Master and Ruth on the other hand are actually pretty amazing character wise and acting wise. Like does Chibnall WANT us to see how bad he wrote 13?
Love how Steven still refers to the doctor as 'he'
Hahaha, holds up his hands, “*she’s human*”
Moffat works for the BBC there's no way he would say anything negative about the show! He's probably dying on the inside...
Hell Bent exists.
Skullcrusher430 would genuinely watch with a passion instead of any one of Jodie's epsiodes
@@bjnz I would honestly rather watch ten series with the Stenza as the main villain if it meant getting rid of Hell Bent and that godawful Hybrid arc
It's always funny, how everyone loves the showrunner... after they are gone :D
While they are doing their job they are generally hated.
Moffat's view on Breaking the Canon rule.
Chibnall "hold my hammer"
I like the new Master; he's good.
A mix of Delgado's magnetism and Ainly/Simm's insanity. I don't like the fact that he has to carry this program on his shoulders at times though when he is the villain and not the central character. Sounds harsh but I'm not the only one who's said this sadly. : (
@Matt Jackson This is a good point; I hadn't thought about it, actually. However, as for the sonic screwdriver's weakness against wood: that doesn't really come up very often TBH.
I like his acting, but his character makes so little sense Chibnall didn’t even bother to explain how he can even exist to us and left that to the comment section to theorize about
5:36 So they've always liked the Morbius Doctors idea, they must have loved the finale then!
I think, like most, they liked it when it was left to the viewers' discretion?!?
The new Master was regenerated from John Sims' Master I think as he went down the lift in The Doctor Falls....because John Sims' Master totally killed off Missy. Wouldn't it interesting if Jodi's Master would end up regenerating into a modern Missy?
Except the people making this twisted corpse of doctor who don't care about its history and will never do something that intelligent. They have also made it clear in behind the scenes with Sacha Dhawan that he is (supposed to be - but s11 and s12 are just fanfics and not canon) the next one along from missy, the last master we saw.
Mof: Nothing contradicts him not being half human
Chib: we'll see
It can always fit.
??? Surely this could further support the idea the doctor is half human. We have no idea about the doctor's origins now. Basically everything that's been said in the canon prior, can also fit with The Timeless Child.
If anything, this backstory is less contradictory with that idea than the backstory of them being from Gallifrey. As it stands, we don't know the Doctor's true species.
Theoretically, The Doctor could be from an alternate universe where humans advanced scientific knowledge so much that they invented the ability to regenerate. After falling through a hole in spacetime, they are found in our universe and the Time Lords gene-splice the ability for themselves. They proceed to erase The Doctor's memory after whatever the Fugitive Doctor did and force them back into being a child to live a life as a proper Time Lord.
Anything's possible!
I bet Moffat is loving not knowing for the first time since 2010
Great interview! I think it must be so nice for them to be able to enjoy the show as fans before and I do agree with a lot of what they said about canon in Doctor Who. I think the show works best when the viewer can decide their own canon, it gives everyone their own interpretation of the show!
Ah! Poor Steven. Didn't want the gaps to be plugged, and here we are after episode 10 with a detailed explanation of the Doctor's backstory.
ADWITIYA MISHRA 4:05 lol
So now we know who the Doc is, thats it, done finished.
Its like waiting for He Man to kill Skellotor and he does it in one season, or the kids from dungeons and dragons that get home but they still continue the cartoon.
The doctor is half human, so cannot be the Timeless Child. In any case that was a lie created by the Master along with the ginger baby story and black female doc.
@@fivish no, that was referred to in the TV movie... but most people don't accept that list like they don't accept the Timless Child nonsense.
@@fivish Whether the Doctor is half human or not cannot be confirmed now, unless they reveal where the Doctor originally came from before she crossed the boundary.
It's funny how judgemental the reporter was to fans that dislike the lore breaking of Chibnall. He was really obvious in his opinions
They couldn't keep John Sims master returning a secret, they couldn't keep the return of Captain Jack a secret, and they couldn't keep Sacha Dhawan character a secret.
Its a good thing Who writers don't run the CIA.
Doppelganger399 Jack and the Dhawan Master were a complete surprise. Chibnall is much better at keeping secrets than Moffat.
That might be more an issue with the BBC publicity department than Moffat.
It might be a BBC publicity department thing, I believe and hence out of the showrunner and writer's control.
As for the CIA, there's been times in its history where it probably would have been better if they hadn't been running the show either.
@@shan4680 Any leak considering Jack comes from John Barrowman who is too excited to keep it all quiet.
who comic writers run a type of CIA
You don't want to break realy important rules
Like the Doctor picking up a gun and killing inocennt people
The Doctor: * picking up a gun and killing innocent man under Moffats showrunning *
Canon does count in a tv show as if it didn't then it makes the past series that have come before completely irrelevant. For example Missy being killed off but now miraculously still being alive, this needs some explanation or did the master regenerate into this new master, perhaps Missy is a further along regeneration, that would make sense. Simply put some story arcs need explaining. River Song died in the library in Tennants era, but a few series later we finally got to see her timelapse with the 11th and 12th Doctors.we also got an explanation of how the movie Doctor became the war Doctor and saving of gallefrey. We got to find out why and how Clara was living and dying all the time. Every new development must be explained eventually. The new master, the ruth Doctor, the timeless child story arcs need to fit and need explaining, without compromising wat has come before in Doctor Who history. As for the 12 regenerations we now know this can be overturned if granted more regeneration energy, so this rule now has a plausible narrative of how to get passed this issue. Basically put add to the show, not take away from it. Make the story arcs fit into place.
This interview was great, really enjoyed their insights and that they disliked the 12 regeneration limit. In regards to the half human thing I just wrote that off as the doctor still being confused from his regeneration. Plus the Metacrisis doctor to me seemed to contradict the half human thing by how disgusted he is of having one heart.
He can not like having one heart when he is used to having two without it relating to whether or not he has human heritage.
them saying that they liked Sacha Dhawan as The Master is the tea I'll drink for the rest of my life
He’s not the Master!
7:09 Moffat talks about canon, he says it would be wrong to make the Doctor human for example... what Chibnall has done is exactly this.
What? How?
Making the Doctor not Gallifreyan isn't the same thing as making the Doctor human.
binkey he used it as an example! Principle is still the same... show runners have a responsibility to maintain loyal to the canon... Chibnall destroyer that!
@@Leo_ai75 Canon... what Canon? You mean that thing that has been rewritten multiple time, like when they indroduced Regeneration in 1966? Or when they visited Atlantis for the second time in 1971 and it absolutely invalidated the first time? Or when the completely rewrote the origin story of the Daleks in 1975? Or when Jamie showed up again in 1985 although he should be back in his own time in Scotland with his mind wiped? Or when Moffat retconned the (first) destruction of Gallifrey and added an uncounted regeneration in 2013? Or...
Complaining about canon is just a sophisticated way of saying I don't like this change, which a valid opinion. I for one really didn't like the twists in Day of the Doctor, but the world kept spinning, life went on as usual and Doctor Who stayed an amazing show I am never going to disown even though it does not always turn out the way I want it to.
Lailadida you make some very good points and you are indeed correct, the world will continue to spin! But the show is called Doctor Who! The lead character’s history and origin was a mystery, that’s what made it exciting! I just think that this new origin for the doctor is a means to creating spin off series! I just don’t think it adds anything to the story but rather takes things away!
@@Leo_ai75 Yes, but that's just a matter of taste and has nothing to do with "destruction of canon". I for one really enjoyed the twist this time. I was never a fan of the regeneration limit and also never quite bought that there haven't been any regenerations pre-Hartnell, if only for the fact that I can't quite imagine Hartnell being a little child. For me he needs to be old and grumpy as soon as he comes to exist.
that beautiful moment when you realise we're all fans...
except for jodie bots. they’ll never be fans
@@MichaelM28 and who the f*** are you to decide who is fan who isn't ?
The reason they don’t know the plan and how things fit in is because neither does Chris Chibnall.
Except he does.... You might not like it but I do believe that this is what he planned. He teased the timeless child in season 11. He showed that a version of the doctor was a fugitive of the judoon yet she doesnt remember her half way through this season. She is now being held accountable for those crimes as part of the division that she cant remember because her memory was erased.
Sarah Higgins if he did then his plan has backfired spectacularly. The last episode had the worst rating of any episode for modern Dr Who and he has lost 2 million viewers in this series alone.
I’m looking through the other comments saying Moffat is praising Chibnall, but I have to say I take this with a grain of salt. Imagine for a moment what would happen if Moffat said anything bad about Chibnall’s era (and it is honestly God Awful. If for whatever reason you like the 1 dimensional characters, boring episodes, lack of total substance, and inconsistencies than you still have to factually admit that Chibnall has created more plot holes and undone more previous writers works in one series than any other show runner). There would be backlash from the media, the bbc would be hurt (making their relationship negative and I’m sure he probably still works with them), and hell they’d probably even spin it to be about 13 being female because the media does that. People like Moffat (anyone in a position of popularity or power or both) simply CANNOT give their honest opinions because the whole world is looking at them for a story or slip up. Its like when Peter Capaldi said Jodie was his favorite Doctor. We haven’t even seen her much yet; he was just being nice and keeping up appearances so the show doesn’t get hurt. Moffat may actually be okay with Chibnall’s utter shit or he may not care at all anymore or maybe he absolutely despises it; it doesn’t matter because when someone asks in public he’s going to have to praise it. Its a bit like politics (or literally is politics). A Republican or Democrat has to be VERY brave to talk shit about a republican or democratic president (respectively) because that makes their party look bad which in turn makes them look bad.
Yeah... very diplomatic. Naturally they'd withhold their _real_ opinions...
A diplomatic answer would have just been "yeah it was good I think hes doing a great job" but they went into detail and looked like they were genuinely excited. Just because they arent your opinions doesnt mean that they arent theirs.
@Sarah Higgins - well then they must be the only two genuinely excited about Chibnall's hack effluent.
And so what? - they're selling the show on his behalf and _feigning_ excitement. That's just as likely, and as BBC employees they'd be obliged to convincingly engender enthusiasm for the series regardless.
@@edwardcatt2399 Their only obligation would probably be dont talk negatively about the show but anything more than that means that they actually are enjoying it.
@Sarah Higgins - Yeah I'm totally sure they're _enjoying_ seeing what they wrote into lore - Doc's new regeneration cycle, Gallifrey rescued and lost and time-locked - being disregarded, retconned and ultimately chucked down the garbage chute.
@@edwardcatt2399 This interview took place before that episode aired so we have no idea how they felt about it.
This interview makes me extremely happy that Moffat isn't running the show anymore.
The Doctor canonically has multiple origins (VNAs), so even contradictions with the Doctor's origin fit within "canon".
So, Moffat was liking Brain of Morbius idea of previous Doctors and didn't like 12 regenerations limit. I think that he is overjoyed after The Timeless Children then. So am I.
I’ve been a fan since I was 5 when Jon Pertwee was the Doctor. I’ve been clamouring for a female Doctor since the 80’s when I wanted it to be Joanna Lumley! But after the obliteration of the last 57 years of lore, I’m sorry to say I’m out!! Get anyone... ANYONE else to write the next season please! And while you’re at it, replace that Top Shop Doctor who lacks the gravitas to carry this off! It’s not working. I’ll be back when it is
Love these nerds. Still putting such great things out there.
"First person of color to play the Doctor".... You owe Lenny Henry an apology!
He wasn't supposed to be the Doctor...
He got a part in Spyfall so that got fixed.
Certainly the 1980s Lenny Henry Show and Curse of Fatal Death have more right to be called canon after Sunday 1/3/20.
@@GyitMulhaneski-GloriousYears They didn't show these Doctors though.
@@timrob12
(Git Mulhaney proceeds to do that Robert Pugh/Lighthouse shouty thing off Torchwood)
The Tardis in the grave didn't make sense as the camilion circuit breaks and it gets stuck as a phone box for the first doctor.
I think deep down there thinking...this is a dud.
These two always broke milestones and real important rules. Hell Moffat broke the first law more than anyone. Which I agree with him, you shouldn't.
Such as?
@@bjnz I'll start with the Space Whale, and Ark in Space. The Emperor Dalek bit as well, destroyed by the Second Doctor. Davros showing up when should have been lost on Earth, maybe, the Moon, but that pocket universe thing just got pulled out of someone's ass. The Master was tossed into the heart of the TARDIS, and there was no satisfying reason for the return. There are plenty more, I wish I had the time.
@@TheBlackJester None of those contradict anything that was in the show before... that's quite a pathetic attempt to have a fo at Moffat
@@bjnz Rewatch it all then. The Honest Trailer is actually very good.
I can't just prechew it, I had more details back when they got released on rec.arts.drwho in usenet. Oh he made Sontaran a woman, Remember wha Linx said when first seeing Sarah? Your blind hero worship is messing with your mind. The "Good Guy" Sontaran is a big rule change as well. The Zygon thing in 50th, that was a total ruination, on a lot of levels, but largely on the half assed factor, World President, that was all-in-all horrible and just to virtue signal over immigration?
I expect these two loathe the horrible retconning that's been going on.
Lost so much respect for both of them. However the one great decision was casting Sascha as the Master.
I love how he said that saying that the doctor isnt a time lord would be wrong.
*that the doctor is human
You can tell how hard they're trying here, and that they've had enough arguments about it off camera already.
Nice save there Moff "she's" he knows he would have been torn apart if he didn't catch that.
Jo Martin is the Doctor?…; Censored
5:55 well, well, well...
6:33 well part of that came true. He’s not really a time lord anymore.
The Doctor is still a Time Lord.. Time Lords are NOT the race.. ffs.
summoner2100 Yes they are, Rasalon created them
@@ChadWho As far as I understand it it is more like a caste. You are born/loomed into the Time Lord caste and it grants you certain priveleges, like unlocking the ability to regenerate (although that might also be true for some other castes, we don't know) and being given the symbiotic nuclei which allow the bonding with a TARDIS (probably a priviledge of the Time Lords). So the Doctor is still a member of the Time Lord caste, although that is pretty irrelevant since the entire system collapsed with the rest of the sociaty. When you look deeper into the EU and extrapolate from there you come up with quite a dystopian picture of Gallifreyan sociaty.
Why the lady behind Mark Gatiss took off one of her shoes?
She was helping to move a car outside...
Moffat come back PLZ
Funny how everyone always hates the current showrunner and loves them after they leave :D It was the same with RTD when Moffat took over.
Doctor Wokes lectures will be back next year ,...that's if BBC is here next year
This master is disguised remember
Missy calls her self mistress and is all sassy so she is not disguised hence its not her
John simm very possible
After missy maybe
The fact he knew from tissue compression eliminator shows he is a true whovian. I forgive you for Clara, for Capaldi, for listen, for river, for kill the moon and even for turning bill POTTS into a cybermen...come back...chibnall is so much worse then you were...come back
If he was a true fan then he wouldn’t have bastardised the 1st Doctor! He’s no fan!
@@MichaelM28 , he merely pointed out that he was a product of his time...though it does annoy me that Bradley was cast as him, since although he was great as William Hartnell the actor, he was terrible as the first Doctor character.
HORRRRRIBLE
That's one big mic they're using. Good thing John Barrowman isn't there...I hope.
Also love how Moffat said: "I knew about Captain Jack." Proof that John Barrowman told EVERYONE.
I think that they told him, not because of him being former showrunner, but because he is creator of Jack Harkness character. I don't know how it works exactly, but individual episodes authors have some degree of rights to theirs creations.
@@FlauFly Oh, yeah. That's right. I forgot Moffat wrote his first episode.
They hate it...but they cant say that obviously
They're being very careful and very generous. Respect to them.
But Chibnall destroyed Doctor Who in S11. Didn't bother with S12.
Not so. They both just said Brain of Morbius exists with all those extra versions of the Doctor and even that the Doctor is half Human.
@@sallyatticum That's why I think they're being generous towards Chibnall - not criticising his direction.
@@sallyatticum those were Morbius’s past incarnations dumbass
@@MichaelM28 Seriously, You are coming on here a year after I point out something someone else said and call me a dumbass? Fuck off, ya fucking loser.
Two BBC scriptwriters watch a lovingly restored and unique classic car recklessly driven over the edge of a cliff by a maniac.
Before even hearing the crash:
BBCSW1: (trying to appear in control)
D-d-d-d-did you see that?!?
BBCSW2: No I did not! And neither did you.
BBCSW1: B-b....but he just...
BBCSW2: Look. If you start going on about it, you're going to draw attention. Just look happy and smile at the cameras. Say cheese like I'm doing.
BBCSW1: But wh-
BBCSW2: Its NOT our problem anymore.
BBCSW1: Do you think he-
BBCSW2: IF HE wants to drive like a madman that's his lookout. Look there's someone about to interview.
BBCSW1: But there'll be questions you know. Maybe they'll say its the car, or the engine, not the driver. They could say anything. Like we just left it parked there for anyone to break in or take it. I told you not to leave it there and tell him about it.
BBCSW: Look will you just shut up. Everything's alright. If WE say its alright and the Radio Times says it's alright, it's alright. No one will know any different.
BBCSW: We spent ages working on that thing. And waited ages to do it too. We could have put it on display. 60 years old that would have been and all you can do is go on about what other people are going to say.
BBCSW: Look we've got other work to worry about and these people here..
RT: Hi! Can we just ask one question?
BBCSW1: If it's the one we agreed earlier!
BBCSW2 (whispering): You've got to hold your nerve. This won't last forever. We got away with HIGH CAMP DRACULA and we're still getting those phone calls at three in the morning about Sherlock and the last episode not making sense. Look, they're not going to ask us back and I was so damned tired of the thing. A Vauxhall Labrador is far less trouble. It barely got past the MOT and that OTT Welsh bloke didn't want it back just yet anyway. Something that precious is just too much responsibility.
BBCSW1: He won't get it back it all now will he?
Policeman: Excuse me Sirs. Are you the registered owners of the vehicle just found there over that cliff there?
BBCSW2: Its changed hands. Just recently. All the papers are correct. Officially authorised.
BBCSW1: What about the driver?
Policeman: He's doing surprisingly well. More confused than anything. Its more the people around the crash that were a concern. Public Order concerns. This is your responsibility. There was a very large angry mob trying to drag him from the vehicle. Everybody else was just trying to look away, pretending it wasn't happening. Like it's all they could do.
The two BBC SWs look at each other.
Policeman: The weirdest thing was the thing he crashed into and saved his life...........................a Police Box of all things.
TO BE CONTINUED?
moffat
i like the gaps in evreything
chibnal
the doctor was the first to regenetrate
He created more gaps though since the doctor doesnt even know how many lives she has had at this point. She could be millions of years old for all we know.
Since Capaldi debut season lots of twists has happened first we have lots of Female to Male or Male to female regenerations first Master became Missy then The General became a female General then The Doctor became a female skip a season Master is back in Male form
They can regenerate freely between gender. What did you expect, it makes a more hero vs villain Male vs female with the doctor. Basic film
All totally unnecessary in narrative terms. Trying to soften up an audience they mostly view as racist and misogynist bigots (which, strangely, I don't ever remember DW viewers as being and yet! Here we are).
I think when Moffatt introduced the character of Missy as a female version of the master. He was been instructed by the BBC to do this to test the water for an eventual female Doctor.
@Little Normani
That's an intriging point for me in that I don't remember any problems in that regard - in fact, even with the unfair accusation of signalling 'Stonewall/Pink Politics' back in the day (from some quarters), it always seemed like Russell T could do no wrong in reviving WHO. I presume you mean Doctor #10's Martha? I AM GENUINELY INTRIGUED and I genuinely don't want to come across like the proverbial ostrich. Any anecdotal or even documented examples you can quote with veracity would be appreciated as this is a worthy debate and I would very much appreciate any reply.
@@paulhirst7602
All the evidence points to this being irrefutable, yes! I've been on a few comments strands recently (as I you might have noticed, I'm bloody everywhere), basically telling anyone who'll care to listen that Moffat and Chibnall almost seem MORE (quietly) joined up at the hip than Moffat and Gatiss ever were...
5:40
There is no “Jo Martin Doctor”
yes there is
Cap jack was the big thing i doubt they thought that his only in one ep they need to get rid of yaz Ryan graham bring back
mickey smith
martha jones-smith
Captain Jack harkness
Christina de souza
Jenny the doctors daughter
People are complaining about The Timeless Children revealing more about the Doctor but we still know only a little about her
The TC is not a reveal its a lie created by the Master.
@@fivish That's honestly what I initially thought, but the way the episode ended made me think otherwise. But I wouldn't be surprised if the Master was lying and it was all made up to just make the Doctor feel like shit
@@dantedash if you accept that timeless child shit as canon then you’re not a real fan!
Ah steven, if only you could see what they did to our show now...
I wish they had more conviction to say what they really think. I find it hard to believe that these two great writers can’t see the obvious and massive failings of the 13th doctors run. The show is dead and has been hijacked by extreme ideologues.
I like that Moffat discredit the fans who are not like Chibnall’s run. It seems that Moffat watch the show for the actual purpose: For entertainment.
The (rest of) fans who are dislike Chibnall, they possibly dislike him for he casted a woman for the Doctor’s role. They not try to love enjoy the new episodes anymore, just try to discredit Chibnall. If Moffat was a better writer than Chibnall, the latter just simply not writer good as the earlier. Or Moffat was a too good writer for the show.
And those fans who are claim that Moffat lies, it would mean that not a true fan of the show, because of not telling is true judgment is means that his career at the BBC is more important than the show.
You’re a fucking moron! The fans that hate chibnall ARE the true fans! You brain-dead jodie bots have never been true fans!
Here we are months after you posted and the Dr Who Facebook page is filled with comments from people who are glad Chibnall is leaving. He sucks as a Dr Who showrunner.
Well, in recent developments The Doctor can no longer be deemed half human considering what they revealed in the last episode. I'm I the only person who didn't fully like the last episode?
But, considering the Doctor isn't a Gallifreyan, the Time Lords may have told him he was half human to explain away biological differences between the Doctor and actual Time Lords.
binkey I was referring to Moffat and Gatias still thinking the Doctor could be half human. I was just saying that it doesn't seem like they could do that storyline anymore. I do agree with your explanation, but I'm still bummed about the new developments that have been released.
@@randocalrissian1980 could still be half human. None knows where she came from
I Z far enough, we don't no what could be in the other dimension.
Chibballs enjoying killing 65 years of doctor who!
R.I.P DOCTOR WHO 1963 - 2017
Rip your originality 2005-2016
The Pandorica R.I.P. empathy.
@@Problembeing I would feel empathic to him, but he's posted this comment so many times that's it's getting ridiculous and he's incredibly rude to pretty much anyone who likes this era. I'm not saying I like the current run, but even I would never go around seeking attention like Micheal here.
However, if you think he hasn't done anything wrong, then maybe it would be OK for me to do things like this too. Not saying I will, but it's a free choice.
The Pandorica it’s really not for us to judge an individual for an opinion someone clearly feels warrants repeating. It’s not particularly ‘rude’ or ‘wrong’ simply because you disagree with it. It wasn’t a personal insult to you nor any wrong-doing to you personally.
If you don’t like it, ignore it.
The Pandorica Christ knows the number of times people like us have been made unwelcome by the vocal minority that like this era; the death threats; the banning from Whovian groups; the constant trolling; the constant refrains of ‘don’t watch it then’ or ‘get out of this fandom’ - THAT is rude and THAT is wrong.