Just looking for the right angle capability for tight spaces? Check out these Milwaukee and DeWalt adapters you can get for under $30: Milwaukee Right Angle Adapter: geni.us/tEajsR and DeWalt Right Angle Adapter: geni.us/L3nUWAg
I have the DeWalt version and it's a great accessory. For those extremely hard-to-reach areas, you can add extensions to the front and back to get around almost any obstacle.
my issue with those is that you need to hold on to the adapter or it will spin I like how the other heads don't move and can be set at the position you want.
I don't own one, but I have used the Milwaukee version. Being a bit more senior, I found the grip on the Milwaukee very intuitive to use. The grip simulates the use of hand saws, hacksaws and other older tools which usually have you using your index finger as an alignment tool when cutting. As a former electrician and self confessed jack of all trades, it was interesting when I would cut conduit or PVC for wire runs, plumbing runs and the like, and though not perfectly straight(especially with the hacksaw), My cuts were always straighter then the younger fellows. They couldn't believe the difference in their cuts when they used their index finger as the guide. This is the thinking behind the Milwaukee. When I picked it up, it was almost automatic to point my index finger down the side of the body.
It took me a second to get used to it, but now i absolutely love the grip style of the Milwaukee. Getting choked up high on the drill and more inline with the bit really helps.
These are the best drills ever. I have the new Festool cxs18 and would happily let all my other drills go. I use all the different heads every day for my job. The offset chuck is for sure the best as it allows me to fit window hardware next to the glass ( double hung sash windows) and I don’t have to worry about the chuck scratching the glass. Most people don’t need the power of a large drill
I have the milwaukee set and it's been good to me. No major complaints. I adjusted to the grip style (started by the festool cxs) and direction switch fairly quick. I use the 1/4 quick change chuck the most; it basically lives on the tool. The offset and right angle aren't used often, but I love having them when the need arises. That said, I will be picking up the dewalt version for the more comfortable grip.
I have a right angle universal adaptor that I use on occasion with my standard Bosh drill or any drill. Don't use it that often but it's handy when you need it.
Yah I don't quite see why you would need a specific tool for that like shown here. Probably easier to use. The offset drive actually looks like the one I would find most useful most often...
My dad owns a repair shop and received the Milwaukee as a gift. He also has been doing a lot of construction work to expand his shop and he goes to his 4-in-1 before almost anything else now.
I have had the Festool CXS for 12 years and it has been my go to drill for my woodworking projects. Still on the same batteries and charger and the tool has never been repaired. .. and yes, it has been dropped more than once... or twice. or.... It was well worth the money. Just picked up the Milwaukee version for reasons I can't explain except I like the looks of it. 😁
I honestly find the flexi click mechanism more convenient as I would find myself more often in the situation of having to rotate the position rather than swapping one for another. And … how many times does it not happen to not get the angle you need? ☺️
Yeah I was thinking the same thing when I saw that, but actually when you pull the collar on the Milwaukee it comes up partially to do the same thing, it changes positions no problem.
Regarding the MIlwaukee tool, the point of the high grip is NOT to access the button. Milwaukee relocated the forward/reverse button to that spot on top so that the user can easily access it while using the high grip (with the person's middle finger on the trigger). The point of the high grip is to place your hand behind the drill/driving axis similar to having a low bore axis on a handgun that is easier to control. This was Festool's idea. So the high grip comes first with the forward/reverse button relocated to accommodate this special ergonomic design.
I agree with you but the issue i have with the direction switch is not knowing which direction is selected without looking or pulling the trigger. Sure it's a very minor inconvenience and i love the thing in light of it, but a tactile direction switch would have been a welcome update since it's first release 5 years ago
I snagged a Milwaukee version on sale and it really helped with some of my work in the field. Not a direct replacement for a traditional drill/impact driver combo, but remove the charger and add a M12 oscillating multi tool and it makes a fine kit. Slides under the backseat for work, Carrie’s into the house nicely for honey do lists.
I use the Bosch and I do service on comercial ventilation. I get real use for all the «heads» on the regular. Its pretty great. It’s also built like a tank, I dropped it 10-12 on to concrete and it get a scratch.
I've never seen one of these before but I must say the offset Chuck looks to be the most advantageous for me when I'm building Furniture because there always seemed to be a Fastener that's right up against another board and the body of the drill can't quite get close enough to drive in the Fastener. The offset head seems like you would fix that.
Metabo also has a crazy powerful version of this, too. I own the Milwaukee and I L-O-V-E it 😍😍😍 When i bought it, Milwaukee offered the widest range of 12v tools, so I got it. Don‘t regret anything. It‘s lightweight and covers 90% of what I need to do at my job. I mostly use it without an attachment as a lightweight driver, but in many situations with the drill in the keyless chuck and a bit in the hex chuck. There were many situations when the 90 degree and the offset chuck came in super handy, especially in kitchen installs. The direction change button is a little awkward to use, but I don‘t mind so much. The rest makes up for it easily. For me, the investment was definitely worth it!
Great point, @mrb4408. That's been my experience too but we'll see if these end up getting some use. @ngojems - I just added links to the description and in a pinned comment if you want to check out the two most popular right angle adapters. They're not too expensive either - typically $20-25.
I have the Milwaukee and the features you mentioned like versatility, size and grip with built in magnetic holder. All outstanding. But the weight is fantastically light as well. A big bonus standing on a ladder working overhead. Also, its so small and tight I Dont take the case. I have it in the side of my Milwaukee 15” bag so it’s ALWAYS with me. That makes it more useful as well. It doesn’t replace my impact or hammer drill of course but its used a heck of a lot more for my maintenance tasks. The Milwaukee insert is very cool. But I would want to put additional tools in that back, since most of the space seems unused. But …its a great idea that I wish others would offer for the tool bags.
I bought the Bosch one specifically because I wanted something as small as possible and I knew I would need the offset head for a project. Overall I think it's great - I got the brushless version and I feel like it has more than enough torque for pretty much anything I do regularly, while being handier than my old brushed 18v drill or impact friver
As a full time cabinet maker and installer I can tell you the Milwaukee is an absolute dream. And you're knocking them while comparing them to a regular drill or driver. That's not what they were intended to replace. It's probably not for diy'ers.
Had a multi-head setup with my 12V Rigid multi-tool and it was fantastic! Of course, Rigid’s Mr. Murphy discontinued them soon after I had acquired the full set!
Agreed, the Milwaukee electronic direction button is a PAIN. When you pick it up, you have to look at it to see what direction. (it has little LED arrows on it) With he old switch you can flick it or feel what direction you are in. They should have never changed it. Just because you can doesn't mean you should... The inability to stand on its own is another pain but despite all that, it is certainly a handy rig. I doesn't replace my other Milwaukee driver/drills but it makes a great addition!
I have had a black and decker Firestorm multi-head for many years even though the batteries are no longer produced because I found while it lacked the power of other tools, the ability to not have to carry around two or more tools far outweighs that. I own several other more powerful tools, but find myself using the B&D every time. I recently purchased the Milwaukee and I finally found a tool I like more. It is light weight and more versatile than the B&D and it is easy to carry the heads in a pocket or set them on the workpiece. I sometimes leave a head with a specific bit at a workstation and just bring the body making the work area less crowded than with a bunch of drills/drivers.
I've used the Milwaukee one for years now and its been great I use it for about 90% of my drilling but the only complaints that I have about it is that I wish the would've the offset head a quick connect instead of a magnetic one cause over time and for certain applications it will fall off or stay in the screw. I also hope that for future models they designs the bag so the part where the head adapters go is one piece and connected to the bottom because often the drill bits and other thing will go threw and make it somewhat annoying to get out but other than that its my favourite drill and it's not even close.
I love my milwaukee, i dont use it without the attachments as you showed cos the bits do fall out easily imo, hate the rwd and rev button system, still love the tool
It is a unique tool, but like you said, how often will you find yourself in those situations? It may be worth it if it gets used a lot. But if not, probably more likely to forget you have it when you need it...until you remember - when the job is almost done! 😅
That's kind of what I expect from this. I have a right angle adapter (it's actually on that pegboard in the background) and I pretty much always forget that I have it :)
I bought the Milwaukee brand when I had my work van stolen and needed something . It’s been a year now, I gotta say I use it for almost everything. It’s some some down sides, primarily the change of direction button. Still can’t get used to it.
I generally just use my dewalt as a drill/driver combo in my service tech pack. I keep the right angel and have used it on occasion but I don't even have the offset in my truck. I use long bit holders all the time, though.
Dewalt sells a right angle flex impact driver adapter for $40. I think it's better than buying a new tool with similar adapters and it's for impact drivers. Covers the critism you pointed out.
All add-on right angle adapters I have owned are awkward to use (have to hold it from turning) and ultimately can't get much torque through to whatever I am drilling/driving. Most self destruct if pushed very hard. These look much more sturdy and useful.
The forward reverse is my only gripe. I’m finally used to the location of it but it’s inconvenient have to pull the trigger and look at the light to figure out which direction it’s in every time I pick it up. I wish it had a traditional style that I could feel with my finger. Other than that it’s awesome.
Wow that tray design for the dewalt is genius. I wonder if someone can 3D print one for the Milwaukee set. I have ton of those small bags and tray would be very good. Need those tray design for installation drill/driver, m12 impact & driver set as well.
DeWalt- battery stuck on the end of the handle- what are they thinking of? Milwarkee- big chunk of plastic on the front- what are they thinking of? (Actually, they copied the Festool.) Festool- biggest price for the lowest torque- by far. And that lump of plastic on the front. Bosch? That will do nicely. The brushless version, of course. Changing heads- not sure why you struggle so much; press and turn. The only one that will fit in your pocket. Since getting mine, the 18v DeWalt stays on the hook for all but the biggest jobs. Coupled with the DeWalt gyroscopic screwdriver (best power screwdriver on the planet?) it does all the jobs.
I feel like my Festool C12, which has a similar though better designed handle than the Milwaukee, and is from 15 years ago (2007) compares well with these recent entries. And of course I have had the pleasure of using it this entire time. Once you come up with the right way to hold the chucks, you can interchange them one handed and quickly.
I just got a cheap $15 milwaukee right angle adapter off amazon. works for tight spaces and is strong enough (given that when i used my impact driver the shank snapped on the auger bit i was using from harbor freight, while the angle adapter it was in was fine )
But there is also someone who rules over all others - Metabo. They have an all-metal, ball-bearing attachment that attaches to the 43mm Euro-neck on the LTX series drill. The metal is clamped to the metal with an eccentric clamp, and is thus absolutely firmly connected to the machine... basically, this is how we get a real angle drill from an ordinary drill. And for dessert, this attachment can withstand 110Nm, and with stepless adjustment in 360° around the axis, screwing is easy, because it is easier to hold high torques during demanding screwing, drilling, etc. But it is also true that there is no comparison, because this is a real professional category for industry and trade....typical Metabo. Otherwise - good contribution👍 - you have a new subscriber😃
I’ve owned the Bosch for 2 years. I used it Very rarely. The trigger switch stopped working 3 months ago but it’s laying in a drawer till I find time to see if I can repair it. Its smaller size (in every dimension) makes it the best choice, considering only form factor. But its ergonomics are poor. Shape of grip, location of reverse switch, clunky quick change heads. If someone brings out a new version with the compact size of the Bosch, with the better QD method and ergonomics of the DeWalt, I’ll buy again.
If i was new to any of the systems i would get this. But since i already have a drill and an impact this seems redundant. But i still will pick up the Milwaukee one if it's cheap enough.
I hate bags. You can't stack them for traveling and they're not rain-proof. Anytime I have one, I always spend a few minutes making a hard shell tote out of scrap OSB. And use their tote to carry the wine. The DeWalt tote bag is the absolute best IMO of the non-Festool brands. But I can't cost-justify the Festool product line since I'm not using it for jobs. Since I have tools with a forward/reverse switch in the normal place, I'd find the Milwaukee switch SUPER annoying.
My wife got me that Milwaukee drill as a gift. Was kind of disappointed at first because I was leaving breadcrumbs for her to get me an SDS Hammer Drill but instead I got this. At first I couldn't find a job for it. I'm in HVAC so...yeah. Nevertheless now I can tell you it has some oomph, the form factor is different but nice and the heads are a true good solution uncomfortable and weird locations. All in all, a little expensive but really good.
The price of the Bosch 18v version has come down to $250, which is much more competitive with the others, but it doesn't come with the driver chuck, which is odd because Bosch's MO is usually "Do More with the same tool". I guess they really wanna sell more "The Freak" Impact driver/wrench units?
It might be interesting for you to do a short comparing the right-angle adapter and these products. I do not see the point in owning these as a DIYer except for getting into tight spaces. And the impact driver seems a little pointless.
Great video but it just that you should demo the situation why these thing created at the first place like the small tight place (but I guess not necessary since those brAnd already show that 😂)
I lost it at 10:43 " I keep the instruction manual in the bag in case I need to refer to it. But I'm a guy. so I don't." LOL Truer word have never been spoken. I have to get me one of these tools. I am always working in tight spaces. Excellent job but you forgot the model numbers.
This is neat…. But you didn’t really demo it doing the things it’s supposed to be good at vs a regular drill. It would have been nice to see if it worked better in those scenarios.
That's great feedback. I could have done a side by side comparison to see if it was really helpful in specific scenarios. I always appreciate feedback so I can make better videos in the future. Thank you!
"No, I would not be using this on a regular basis." The system is too cumbersome for a seldom encountered situation. I already have a 90', very slim hex adapter that would cover 90% of the scenarios this system helps overcome. That adapter cost somewhere between $10 & $15. I'm most invested in the Milwaukee cordless (I have 4 battery systems in play: Milwaukee, DeWalt, Ridgid, & Dremel.), and am disappointed in their bizarre button placement requiring a bizarre and unfamiliar hand grip. Milwaukee: what are you thinking? Don't you use your tools before you sell them? Somebody should call them and ask them "What's up?" If I had this system, I would. The bag is a big deal to me, and I will pay extra for a tool to get a better bag. I stopped having loose tools when I turned 18, decades ago.
The video is a fairly good comparison, but you said that the claim to fame for this genre of tool is that they allow you "to work in tight and difficult to reach spaces," but this is only partially true. DeWALT, for example, showcases much more than that. Their first bullet point is "Access tight spaces with compact, LIGHTWEIGHT design and 4 dedicated attachment solutions. Among other things, the company also points out that their 5-in-1 drill/driver is "Built for control and control". In fact, all three companies say something similar. This genre of tool has more than one claim to fame, but if I was to narrow it down, these drills are so popular because they can fit where larger drills cannot, they are lighter to work with (in case you're slight of build (e.g. old or female] and/or working with them all day), and they offer more control (e.g. less apt to overdrive or cam out screws or damage work by not being as prone to slip or bang around generally). The biggest criticism I have, however, is that you set the tone for this video by quoting people who have purchased these drills rather than the companies themselves, and in my experience consumers including some professionals fail to understand the purpose of these mostly INSTALLATION tools. They are NOT meant to replace all their drills and drivers as you claim is claimed. That would be suicide for the drill/driver divisions within the relevant departments of each of these companies. They're not trying to replace the sales of their other drill/drivers with this genre of drill/driver. These are relatively low torque/low RPM versions that are smaller & lighter which are meant to offer more precision in assembly tasks such as cabinet installations and other light to medium drill/driver applications; and they certainly are not meant to replace hammer drill/drivers or louder and infinitely more powerful impact drivers. For example, the DeWalt's low setting is rated under 500 rpms while their XR impact driver's low "precision setting" is rated at 1000 rpms. So I think you put too much emphasis on how small these 12v drills are compared to 18v options. This may be the only drill a lot of people who will never do anything other than light to medium tasks around the house, but any serious DIYer and any professional should already know they're going to need more robust options that they're already used to using. Certainly none of these companies are claiming these are replacements for their other drills. The disconnect is that you're listening to consumer comments which range from professionals not thinking it through to dip **its.
I have the milwaukee and honestly it is my go-to all the time. It does most things except drive deck screws. However, I absolutely hate the fwd/rev button on top. I'm considering getting a different brand just because of that. It's god awful.
I like it, but that would be a tool to break out for special tasks. IMO, anyone that is looking to purchase this tool more than likely has several drills and impact drivers already. This would not be a beginners tool or something you would use to replace several drills. Personally, I like the form factor of that Milwaukee drill, but if I had Bosch or Dewalt, I would get those simply because I would already have some of those batteries. I don’t really see you going wrong with any of them.
Hey Chris - I actually love the M12 Fuel set. The Surge 12V Brushless Impact Driver is a total powerhouse. I always have my bigger ones that I can grab if I need to but if you're looking for a set that can be your one and only, I'd probably still go with an 18 or 24V set just in case. For 80% of what I do, the 12V is perfect though. Flex tools, Milwaukee Fuel, Ridgid - lots of good options for the bigger ones. Ridgid and Flex both offer lifetime warranties, which is pretty awesome. I just burnt out my 8 year old Ridgid 18V drill so I'll send it in and get a new one for free.
Way to experience. Not a fan of 12 volts batteries tools . I chose 18 volts years ago now it’s 20 volts with no brush motors and lighter smaller. Until the battery’s go I’m going to stay with what I have. Not a tradesman just a homeowner.
That's what a lot of this comes down to. If you're using a certain brand and have their batteries, you'll likely stick with that. I already had several Milwaukee 12v tools so this one was an easy fit but we'll see how much use they really get.
I don't see the need. I can grab my right angle adapter or flexible extension and put it into my impact driver. The total cost of those was about $30. I don't need another $200+ tool when I can do the same job for a fraction of the cost.
Its a gimmick. I bought my Milwaukee a while ago and thought it was the best. Comfortable drilling and the off set was nice. that being said after the first month of owning it i have not used it in over a year. I just use my to main drill and impact instead and have 90 degree cordless Milwaukee that i replaced my old Makita 9.6v 90 ive used for over 15 yrs.
The festool is over priced underpowered, and cost double everything else for absolutely no reason. Systainers are large, cumbersom chunks of cheap plastic that take up far too much space. I'll take a bag every time
They seem useless for every day people. Maybe come in handy for a specific job. But not in general. Not to stifle any innovation. These are brought to the market which I would guess its a small number of people would find them any more handy then the traditional cordless.
That's what I thought too until I bought the Milwaukee Fuel 12v impact driver and a drill. I actually love them because they do 90% of what I need in a teeny tiny tool. I still have my beefy drills for bigger jobs but I rarely need them. But I agree that if you only get one, get something with some power.
I used to think the same thing but 18v tools are heavier and I realize I hardly ever need the full power of 18v. Minor work and electrical I find myself using an old 12v Makita because of the weight savings
Just looking for the right angle capability for tight spaces? Check out these Milwaukee and DeWalt adapters you can get for under $30: Milwaukee Right Angle Adapter: geni.us/tEajsR and DeWalt Right Angle Adapter: geni.us/L3nUWAg
I have the DeWalt version and it's a great accessory. For those extremely hard-to-reach areas, you can add extensions to the front and back to get around almost any obstacle.
my issue with those is that you need to hold on to the adapter or it will spin I like how the other heads don't move and can be set at the position you want.
@@MegaBighig Exactly. I do have the milwaukee right angle adapter, but I also have the m12 installation driver and that gets most of the use.
I don't own one, but I have used the Milwaukee version. Being a bit more senior, I found the grip on the Milwaukee very intuitive to use. The grip simulates the use of hand saws, hacksaws and other older tools which usually have you using your index finger as an alignment tool when cutting. As a former electrician and self confessed jack of all trades, it was interesting when I would cut conduit or PVC for wire runs, plumbing runs and the like, and though not perfectly straight(especially with the hacksaw), My cuts were always straighter then the younger fellows. They couldn't believe the difference in their cuts when they used their index finger as the guide. This is the thinking behind the Milwaukee. When I picked it up, it was almost automatic to point my index finger down the side of the body.
It took me a second to get used to it, but now i absolutely love the grip style of the Milwaukee. Getting choked up high on the drill and more inline with the bit really helps.
These are the best drills ever. I have the new Festool cxs18 and would happily let all my other drills go. I use all the different heads every day for my job. The offset chuck is for sure the best as it allows me to fit window hardware next to the glass ( double hung sash windows) and I don’t have to worry about the chuck scratching the glass. Most people don’t need the power of a large drill
I have come to love the reverse button on the Milwaukee its really nice and you don’t accidentally knock the direction selector in tight spaces
I have the milwaukee set and it's been good to me. No major complaints. I adjusted to the grip style (started by the festool cxs) and direction switch fairly quick. I use the 1/4 quick change chuck the most; it basically lives on the tool. The offset and right angle aren't used often, but I love having them when the need arises.
That said, I will be picking up the dewalt version for the more comfortable grip.
I have a right angle universal adaptor that I use on occasion with my standard Bosh drill or any drill. Don't use it that often but it's handy when you need it.
Yah I don't quite see why you would need a specific tool for that like shown here. Probably easier to use.
The offset drive actually looks like the one I would find most useful most often...
I use those Milwaukee drills for work, they are pretty amazing definitely would recommend them I use it for everything
My dad owns a repair shop and received the Milwaukee as a gift. He also has been doing a lot of construction work to expand his shop and he goes to his 4-in-1 before almost anything else now.
I have had the Festool CXS for 12 years and it has been my go to drill for my woodworking projects. Still on the same batteries and charger and the tool has never been repaired. .. and yes, it has been dropped more than once... or twice. or.... It was well worth the money.
Just picked up the Milwaukee version for reasons I can't explain except I like the looks of it. 😁
Me too i want the milwaukee only cz it looks nice but i just wish it was bettee altho ik im gonna have a lot of fun
I honestly find the flexi click mechanism more convenient as I would find myself more often in the situation of having to rotate the position rather than swapping one for another. And … how many times does it not happen to not get the angle you need? ☺️
Yeah I was thinking the same thing when I saw that, but actually when you pull the collar on the Milwaukee it comes up partially to do the same thing, it changes positions no problem.
Same thing with the deWalt. Pull the collar up and you can rotate the head.
I really appreciated the stop motion around 4:14 I love these kind of attention to detail
Regarding the MIlwaukee tool, the point of the high grip is NOT to access the button. Milwaukee relocated the forward/reverse button to that spot on top so that the user can easily access it while using the high grip (with the person's middle finger on the trigger). The point of the high grip is to place your hand behind the drill/driving axis similar to having a low bore axis on a handgun that is easier to control. This was Festool's idea. So the high grip comes first with the forward/reverse button relocated to accommodate this special ergonomic design.
I agree with you but the issue i have with the direction switch is not knowing which direction is selected without looking or pulling the trigger. Sure it's a very minor inconvenience and i love the thing in light of it, but a tactile direction switch would have been a welcome update since it's first release 5 years ago
I snagged a Milwaukee version on sale and it really helped with some of my work in the field. Not a direct replacement for a traditional drill/impact driver combo, but remove the charger and add a M12 oscillating multi tool and it makes a fine kit. Slides under the backseat for work, Carrie’s into the house nicely for honey do lists.
I picked mine up in Canada for $179.00 and it's great for cabinet installation
I use the Bosch and I do service on comercial ventilation. I get real use for all the «heads» on the regular. Its pretty great. It’s also built like a tank, I dropped it 10-12 on to concrete and it get a scratch.
I've never seen one of these before but I must say the offset Chuck looks to be the most advantageous for me when I'm building Furniture because there always seemed to be a Fastener that's right up against another board and the body of the drill can't quite get close enough to drive in the Fastener. The offset head seems like you would fix that.
Metabo also has a crazy powerful version of this, too.
I own the Milwaukee and I L-O-V-E it 😍😍😍
When i bought it, Milwaukee offered the widest range of 12v tools, so I got it. Don‘t regret anything. It‘s lightweight and covers 90% of what I need to do at my job.
I mostly use it without an attachment as a lightweight driver, but in many situations with the drill in the keyless chuck and a bit in the hex chuck.
There were many situations when the 90 degree and the offset chuck came in super handy, especially in kitchen installs.
The direction change button is a little awkward to use, but I don‘t mind so much. The rest makes up for it easily.
For me, the investment was definitely worth it!
Not ever needed a specialist tool like these. I have a separate multi directional attachment that goes in my impact driver.
Can I asked what that tool is called ?
Great point, @mrb4408. That's been my experience too but we'll see if these end up getting some use. @ngojems - I just added links to the description and in a pinned comment if you want to check out the two most popular right angle adapters. They're not too expensive either - typically $20-25.
With the Festool, you can swap drill bits with the attachment detached from the drill. Also, the impact bit holder is an actual impact driver.
Yep...you started with "What in the world", and that's spot on. Thanks for the info.
Nice. I am a union carpenter and these attachments would make certain jobs sooo much easier.
I use one daily. I was skeptical at first but it’s definitely my go to.
I have that braided multi direction thing I use in tight spaces. I am a weekend warrior/diyer so that is sufficient for me
I have the Milwaukee and the features you mentioned like versatility, size and grip with built in magnetic holder. All outstanding. But the weight is fantastically light as well. A big bonus standing on a ladder working overhead. Also, its so small and tight I Dont take the case. I have it in the side of my Milwaukee 15” bag so it’s ALWAYS with me. That makes it more useful as well. It doesn’t replace my impact or hammer drill of course but its used a heck of a lot more for my maintenance tasks. The Milwaukee insert is very cool. But I would want to put additional tools in that back, since most of the space seems unused. But …its a great idea that I wish others would offer for the tool bags.
I bought the Bosch one specifically because I wanted something as small as possible and I knew I would need the offset head for a project. Overall I think it's great - I got the brushless version and I feel like it has more than enough torque for pretty much anything I do regularly, while being handier than my old brushed 18v drill or impact friver
As a full time cabinet maker and installer I can tell you the Milwaukee is an absolute dream. And you're knocking them while comparing them to a regular drill or driver. That's not what they were intended to replace. It's probably not for diy'ers.
Had a multi-head setup with my 12V Rigid multi-tool and it was fantastic! Of course, Rigid’s Mr. Murphy discontinued them soon after I had acquired the full set!
I have the 12v Dewalt set and it's perfect for my tech bag. I'm able to do almost everything out of just one bag.
I have had the m12 for a while now it’s been hander than I ever thought.
Agreed, the Milwaukee electronic direction button is a PAIN. When you pick it up, you have to look at it to see what direction. (it has little LED arrows on it) With he old switch you can flick it or feel what direction you are in. They should have never changed it. Just because you can doesn't mean you should... The inability to stand on its own is another pain but despite all that, it is certainly a handy rig. I doesn't replace my other Milwaukee driver/drills but it makes a great addition!
I have had a black and decker Firestorm multi-head for many years even though the batteries are no longer produced because I found while it lacked the power of other tools, the ability to not have to carry around two or more tools far outweighs that. I own several other more powerful tools, but find myself using the B&D every time. I recently purchased the Milwaukee and I finally found a tool I like more. It is light weight and more versatile than the B&D and it is easy to carry the heads in a pocket or set them on the workpiece. I sometimes leave a head with a specific bit at a workstation and just bring the body making the work area less crowded than with a bunch of drills/drivers.
I've used the Milwaukee one for years now and its been great I use it for about 90% of my drilling but the only complaints that I have about it is that I wish the would've the offset head a quick connect instead of a magnetic one cause over time and for certain applications it will fall off or stay in the screw. I also hope that for future models they designs the bag so the part where the head adapters go is one piece and connected to the bottom because often the drill bits and other thing will go threw and make it somewhat annoying to get out but other than that its my favourite drill and it's not even close.
I love my milwaukee, i dont use it without the attachments as you showed cos the bits do fall out easily imo, hate the rwd and rev button system, still love the tool
It is a unique tool, but like you said, how often will you find yourself in those situations? It may be worth it if it gets used a lot. But if not, probably more likely to forget you have it when you need it...until you remember - when the job is almost done! 😅
That's kind of what I expect from this. I have a right angle adapter (it's actually on that pegboard in the background) and I pretty much always forget that I have it :)
I bought the Milwaukee brand when I had my work van stolen and needed something . It’s been a year now, I gotta say I use it for almost everything. It’s some some down sides, primarily the change of direction button. Still can’t get used to it.
I generally just use my dewalt as a drill/driver combo in my service tech pack. I keep the right angel and have used it on occasion but I don't even have the offset in my truck. I use long bit holders all the time, though.
Dewalt sells a right angle flex impact driver adapter for $40. I think it's better than buying a new tool with similar adapters and it's for impact drivers. Covers the critism you pointed out.
All add-on right angle adapters I have owned are awkward to use (have to hold it from turning) and ultimately can't get much torque through to whatever I am drilling/driving. Most self destruct if pushed very hard. These look much more sturdy and useful.
The forward reverse is my only gripe. I’m finally used to the location of it but it’s inconvenient have to pull the trigger and look at the light to figure out which direction it’s in every time I pick it up. I wish it had a traditional style that I could feel with my finger. Other than that it’s awesome.
I bought a set, it is the most useful "12v" version I had ever bought. Cons is it does not have hammer option. Pros it can do almost everything
The S shape attachment looks pretty useful for small overhead area.
Wow that tray design for the dewalt is genius. I wonder if someone can 3D print one for the Milwaukee set. I have ton of those small bags and tray would be very good. Need those tray design for installation drill/driver, m12 impact & driver set as well.
You young guys should definitely buy this show me how great it is and let me try it out.
DeWalt- battery stuck on the end of the handle- what are they thinking of? Milwarkee- big chunk of plastic on the front- what are they thinking of? (Actually, they copied the Festool.) Festool- biggest price for the lowest torque- by far. And that lump of plastic on the front. Bosch? That will do nicely. The brushless version, of course. Changing heads- not sure why you struggle so much; press and turn. The only one that will fit in your pocket.
Since getting mine, the 18v DeWalt stays on the hook for all but the biggest jobs. Coupled with the DeWalt gyroscopic screwdriver (best power screwdriver on the planet?) it does all the jobs.
I feel like my Festool C12, which has a similar though better designed handle than the Milwaukee, and is from 15 years ago (2007) compares well with these recent entries. And of course I have had the pleasure of using it this entire time. Once you come up with the right way to hold the chucks, you can interchange them one handed and quickly.
Long said; imitation is the most sincere form of flattery!
I just got a cheap $15 milwaukee right angle adapter off amazon. works for tight spaces and is strong enough (given that when i used my impact driver the shank snapped on the auger bit i was using from harbor freight, while the angle adapter it was in was fine )
Finally a video that shows the tray can be removed. I wish they offered the Dewalt with just the heads and tray.
But there is also someone who rules over all others - Metabo. They have an all-metal, ball-bearing attachment that attaches to the 43mm Euro-neck on the LTX series drill. The metal is clamped to the metal with an eccentric clamp, and is thus absolutely firmly connected to the machine... basically, this is how we get a real angle drill from an ordinary drill. And for dessert, this attachment can withstand 110Nm, and with stepless adjustment in 360° around the axis, screwing is easy, because it is easier to hold high torques during demanding screwing, drilling, etc.
But it is also true that there is no comparison, because this is a real professional category for industry and trade....typical Metabo.
Otherwise - good contribution👍 - you have a new subscriber😃
Metabo has this versatility too!
Love the editing
I’ve owned the Bosch for 2 years. I used it Very rarely. The trigger switch stopped working 3 months ago but it’s laying in a drawer till I find time to see if I can repair it. Its smaller size (in every dimension) makes it the best choice, considering only form factor. But its ergonomics are poor. Shape of grip, location of reverse switch, clunky quick change heads. If someone brings out a new version with the compact size of the Bosch, with the better QD method and ergonomics of the DeWalt, I’ll buy again.
I think the offset head is super useful for getting close to a wall.
Thanks for letting us know, complicated
pretty wild looking...thanks
Just asking, I have the Milwaukee M12 drill, with a angle adapter, what advantages can I get if I'm buying this one ?
I love my Bosch flexiclik and Bosch does make a brushless version
dewalt makes a 20$ 90° angle extension, put 2 together and you have the same tool, should Jerry rig it and see I'd it holds up to a specialist tool.
The Bosch 12V brushless chameleon is the very best version of this tool. Much better than the ones from Milwaukee and DeWalt, I've used all 3.
That's definitely a need for screws and hole very close to the wall.
God bless.
If i was new to any of the systems i would get this. But since i already have a drill and an impact this seems redundant. But i still will pick up the Milwaukee one if it's cheap enough.
I hate bags. You can't stack them for traveling and they're not rain-proof. Anytime I have one, I always spend a few minutes making a hard shell tote out of scrap OSB. And use their tote to carry the wine.
The DeWalt tote bag is the absolute best IMO of the non-Festool brands. But I can't cost-justify the Festool product line since I'm not using it for jobs.
Since I have tools with a forward/reverse switch in the normal place, I'd find the Milwaukee switch SUPER annoying.
It’s for finish work like installing stuff
My wife got me that Milwaukee drill as a gift. Was kind of disappointed at first because I was leaving breadcrumbs for her to get me an SDS Hammer Drill but instead I got this. At first I couldn't find a job for it. I'm in HVAC so...yeah. Nevertheless now I can tell you it has some oomph, the form factor is different but nice and the heads are a true good solution uncomfortable and weird locations. All in all, a little expensive but really good.
If I can only pick one, which one should I get? Milwaukee or DeWalt?
The price of the Bosch 18v version has come down to $250, which is much more competitive with the others, but it doesn't come with the driver chuck, which is odd because Bosch's MO is usually "Do More with the same tool". I guess they really wanna sell more "The Freak" Impact driver/wrench units?
It might be interesting for you to do a short comparing the right-angle adapter and these products. I do not see the point in owning these as a DIYer except for getting into tight spaces. And the impact driver seems a little pointless.
Might need that dewalt
Love the instruction manual comment, so true.🤣
Come on Nils, Fes up and tell us which brand you really wanted to test. 😂 Great video.
Haha - You know I have to have them all, Michael!
Great video but it just that you should demo the situation why these thing created at the first place like the small tight place (but I guess not necessary since those brAnd already show that 😂)
I lost it at 10:43 " I keep the instruction manual in the bag in case I need to refer to it. But I'm a guy. so I don't." LOL Truer word have never been spoken.
I have to get me one of these tools. I am always working in tight spaces.
Excellent job but you forgot the model numbers.
have the hilti one, definitely overpriced, but I do use it daily. rarely use the attachments though
This is neat…. But you didn’t really demo it doing the things it’s supposed to be good at vs a regular drill. It would have been nice to see if it worked better in those scenarios.
That's great feedback. I could have done a side by side comparison to see if it was really helpful in specific scenarios. I always appreciate feedback so I can make better videos in the future. Thank you!
@@LRN2DIY and of that what really would have been helpful is comparing the angle adapter to a stand alone angle adapter
"No, I would not be using this on a regular basis." The system is too cumbersome for a seldom encountered situation. I already have a 90', very slim hex adapter that would cover 90% of the scenarios this system helps overcome. That adapter cost somewhere between $10 & $15. I'm most invested in the Milwaukee cordless (I have 4 battery systems in play: Milwaukee, DeWalt, Ridgid, & Dremel.), and am disappointed in their bizarre button placement requiring a bizarre and unfamiliar hand grip. Milwaukee: what are you thinking? Don't you use your tools before you sell them? Somebody should call them and ask them "What's up?" If I had this system, I would. The bag is a big deal to me, and I will pay extra for a tool to get a better bag. I stopped having loose tools when I turned 18, decades ago.
The video is a fairly good comparison, but you said that the claim to fame for this genre of tool is that they allow you "to work in tight and difficult to reach spaces," but this is only partially true. DeWALT, for example, showcases much more than that. Their first bullet point is "Access tight spaces with compact, LIGHTWEIGHT design and 4 dedicated attachment solutions. Among other things, the company also points out that their 5-in-1 drill/driver is "Built for control and control". In fact, all three companies say something similar.
This genre of tool has more than one claim to fame, but if I was to narrow it down, these drills are so popular because they can fit where larger drills cannot, they are lighter to work with (in case you're slight of build (e.g. old or female] and/or working with them all day), and they offer more control (e.g. less apt to overdrive or cam out screws or damage work by not being as prone to slip or bang around generally).
The biggest criticism I have, however, is that you set the tone for this video by quoting people who have purchased these drills rather than the companies themselves, and in my experience consumers including some professionals fail to understand the purpose of these mostly INSTALLATION tools. They are NOT meant to replace all their drills and drivers as you claim is claimed. That would be suicide for the drill/driver divisions within the relevant departments of each of these companies. They're not trying to replace the sales of their other drill/drivers with this genre of drill/driver. These are relatively low torque/low RPM versions that are smaller & lighter which are meant to offer more precision in assembly tasks such as cabinet installations and other light to medium drill/driver applications; and they certainly are not meant to replace hammer drill/drivers or louder and infinitely more powerful impact drivers. For example, the DeWalt's low setting is rated under 500 rpms while their XR impact driver's low "precision setting" is rated at 1000 rpms.
So I think you put too much emphasis on how small these 12v drills are compared to 18v options. This may be the only drill a lot of people who will never do anything other than light to medium tasks around the house, but any serious DIYer and any professional should already know they're going to need more robust options that they're already used to using. Certainly none of these companies are claiming these are replacements for their other drills. The disconnect is that you're listening to consumer comments which range from professionals not thinking it through to dip **its.
I have the milwaukee and honestly it is my go-to all the time. It does most things except drive deck screws. However, I absolutely hate the fwd/rev button on top. I'm considering getting a different brand just because of that. It's god awful.
I like it, but that would be a tool to break out for special tasks. IMO, anyone that is looking to purchase this tool more than likely has several drills and impact drivers already. This would not be a beginners tool or something you would use to replace several drills. Personally, I like the form factor of that Milwaukee drill, but if I had Bosch or Dewalt, I would get those simply because I would already have some of those batteries. I don’t really see you going wrong with any of them.
for a second i thought you were about to quote a jcole song
So do you like those little fuel tools? Still in the market for a new drill and driver- do you not miss the power of the 18v stuff?
Hey Chris - I actually love the M12 Fuel set. The Surge 12V Brushless Impact Driver is a total powerhouse. I always have my bigger ones that I can grab if I need to but if you're looking for a set that can be your one and only, I'd probably still go with an 18 or 24V set just in case. For 80% of what I do, the 12V is perfect though. Flex tools, Milwaukee Fuel, Ridgid - lots of good options for the bigger ones. Ridgid and Flex both offer lifetime warranties, which is pretty awesome. I just burnt out my 8 year old Ridgid 18V drill so I'll send it in and get a new one for free.
Way to experience. Not a fan of 12 volts batteries tools . I chose 18 volts years ago now it’s 20 volts with no brush motors and lighter smaller.
Until the battery’s go I’m going to stay with what I have. Not a tradesman just a homeowner.
That's what a lot of this comes down to. If you're using a certain brand and have their batteries, you'll likely stick with that. I already had several Milwaukee 12v tools so this one was an easy fit but we'll see how much use they really get.
The Bosch is brushless and for $69 i couldn’t not buy it lol.
I don't see the need. I can grab my right angle adapter or flexible extension and put it into my impact driver. The total cost of those was about $30. I don't need another $200+ tool when I can do the same job for a fraction of the cost.
Its a gimmick. I bought my Milwaukee a while ago and thought it was the best. Comfortable drilling and the off set was nice. that being said after the first month of owning it i have not used it in over a year. I just use my to main drill and impact instead and have 90 degree cordless Milwaukee that i replaced my old Makita 9.6v 90 ive used for over 15 yrs.
Nice to look at, but don't think I will own one.
The festool is over priced underpowered, and cost double everything else for absolutely no reason. Systainers are large, cumbersom chunks of cheap plastic that take up far too much space. I'll take a bag every time
After 40 years using tools I have only once required an offset drill. No, twice. 🙄
I would lose the heads for sure
I paid 60 dollars for the bosch
since when do we ask ourselves questions like "how often will i actually need this tool"?
we dont want any of that kind of negativity lol
I guess Bosch's patent ran out so now everyone is copying it
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They seem useless for every day people. Maybe come in handy for a specific job. But not in general. Not to stifle any innovation. These are brought to the market which I would guess its a small number of people would find them any more handy then the traditional cordless.
What the heck is that
a little to fussy, most tradies just get on with it
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Nope
12 volt drill? Like from the 1950s? Lol 18v is a baby drill these days.
Like the idea
That's what I thought too until I bought the Milwaukee Fuel 12v impact driver and a drill. I actually love them because they do 90% of what I need in a teeny tiny tool. I still have my beefy drills for bigger jobs but I rarely need them. But I agree that if you only get one, get something with some power.
I used to think the same thing but 18v tools are heavier and I realize I hardly ever need the full power of 18v. Minor work and electrical I find myself using an old 12v Makita because of the weight savings
Nice tools does it goes right left side to side it going to be very helpful
I have a $20 attachment that does all that
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