The counselling she went thru is kimd of normal.. i did that with my parebting counseling and the counsellor is not Christians...just want me to relax to take a deep breath. So i didnt talk to anyone. Just the counselors did ask me whether i am tired. Pls clarify that i am in Canada. Should i avoid that in future?
I have done counselling training in the U.K. and we were never taught to ask the client to take deep breath to relax and ask if they were tired out of nowhere. The way they described in the video is a body part meditation which is a new age/estern method of meditation that leads to emptying of mind of any thoughts. Not sure what you experienced is similar to what they described in the video but if it is it’s a bit of red flag in my opinion. Proper professional counselling therapy should follow strict guidelines and not too wooo because it should be scientific-based with well researched counselling theories that actually is proven to work. Some don’t work on everyone, it’s still a very new area of research and psychology is difficult to do research on. Counselling does involve inner child work. I have personally gone through it not with a counsellor, just following online video and a book I read. I think it can be misunderstood if you have no prior knowledge about it and can be quite dangerous if you have no professional guidance because it is playing with your actual memory and imagination and fantasy at the same time. I have tried it when I was young using my imagination on past memory and it gave me some relief at the moment but didn’t really work until I understood what it really means to do inner child work. It needs to be your actual clear memory from past, not imagined/fantasised location and scenarios.( that can lead to psychosis )It’s also not just to go back into memory and reparent your younger self. It is about consistently meeting your needs as an adult now and changing how you talk and parent your inner child (yourself). It’s a relationship that foster self compassion (actually just god’s love for you). You are always a child of God, that’s why you feel there is an inner child in you. But that inner child is you. The voices/thoughts (parent side of you) are either from God or the enemies. I think this process can be healing but if not done with professional guidance it can mislead people to have fragmentation and confusion in oneself and sway from the ultimate truth that it is God that is doing the healing after all not ourselves.
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我都係社工。我之前都有學過一啲輔導同埋創傷治療，容許我嘗試解答地下取力量既問題。靜觀中的確有一樣叫grounding，因為人情緒和狀態唔好嘅時候好容易已經感受唔到自己嘅身體，grounding （將雙腳貼近地下，感受自己踩實雙腳在地下嘅感覺）都的確能夠對集中注意力同回復狀態有幫助。因而常見於輔導面談中。
我自己暫時聽落最大問題係，佢在見輔導之前可能已經有靈體上身，但係福音派嘅輔導員對於靈界認識不足、敏感度也不足夠，容易喺當中惡化左個撞鬼情況。
你聽埋後半段就會知，靈來自那裡是可以測試的，所以並唔係之前觸落果D鬼，不幸地這些感受自己的方式通通都會通靈，grounding對集中注意力同回復狀態有幫助亦係因為靈界力量，因為呢樣本來就係鬼擅長既野，唔係因為有效而無問題，岩岩相反就因為有效先可怕。
問題不是mindfulness, mindfulness係有Evidence based research先拎出黎，所以問題應該唔係出自呢到
@@MoShi1647 mindfulness本身就係撞鬼！
@@MoShi1647 Evidence based就代表有效果，但原理是怎樣根本無法驗證，現在我們驗證了這是鬼做的。所以這Evidence剛好反而是mindfulness會撞鬼的證明
@@MoShi1647 Mindfulness 本來就是預備一個人接受「靈」的技術。
我現在在某神學院讀基督教輔導，當然不知道是否片中事主說的同一間啦，不過先利申，我讀的是基礎中的基礎，十分粗淺與皮毛。
不過我個人覺得，輔導本質不涉及神怪東西，更似是溝通技巧，透過聆聽與提問，幫助受助人應對所面對的處境。作為基督徒，我覺得懂得一些輔導技巧不是壞事，至少不會對傷心難過的人說一些以為是好但實際傷人的話。
至於心理學，我只上過一科心理學概論，我同樣覺得它不一定涉及神怪東西，反而是很科學，例如談及腦結構，當然也有談及催眠，不過我老師亦是以科學角度去講催眠。
我覺得這不是輔導學與心理學本質有問題，而是在於人如何進行這些過程的問題，例如在輔導過程加入new age、身心靈的元素，或許可能容易引入邪靈。不過反過來問，是否每樣相類似的活動都會引入邪靈？例如有人形容放鬆自己是通靈，但假如靈修前有5-10分鐘安靜、放鬆自己，這又是通靈？如果在意識裡自己想像是通靈，這樣如果拿著一件實物去想像成自己親人，向他道歉，這又是通靈？如果感受自己會通靈，這樣我每次有壓力、緊張都會胃痛、肚痛，反過來在我胃痛、肚痛時，我感受自己是否有壓力又是否通靈？至於內心小孩...上理論課時講Carl Jung的理論時有提過下，不過已經完全俾返晒老師，就不亂說了。
其實我對通靈或者新紀元的事情基本上一竅不通，只有睇《晚吹》的程度，不過個人認為通靈不是一些簡單行為就會引致。當然，我不是要否定片段中姊妹的經歷，但過程中通靈了，是刻意做成？還是程序出錯？是簡單做一下就會通靈？還是要很深入地做才會有可能引致通靈？在輔導過程中撞鬼的普遍性有幾高？還是只是個別人士個別例子？個人覺得輔導本質與靈界沒什麼關係，過程有同理心感性的部分，但更多是理性部分，至於片中提及的程序，我上堂時基本上都沒有教過。當然，可能有人認為我學的只是超超超入門級，片中提到的輔導員是大師級，「你識條鐵咩？」既然如此，這又會否只是個別「大師級」的偏方呢？未必能以偏概全。
當然，第二部未出，不知道以上疑問會否已經有指出，不過單看這條片好似說到「基督教輔導」就是會令人撞鬼，個人覺得這樣表達似乎太juicy，也會令人誤會基督教輔導就是邪門嘢，即使真實面對需要也不敢找輔導，但我們不得不承認有個別狀況不是單純傳道人就能夠處理，也需要找尋專業輔導的幫助。
這是我的小小個人感受，不排除包含作為百分一個局內人的偏頗，如有請見諒。
靈界的事情也不是非科學，不如說人類的感知能力有限，科學實驗就只解釋了效果是否實存，但原理還是靠有限的人去詮釋出來的，現在我提出的是另一個詮釋，建基於一種新的發現，也是科學的。
輔導有很多不同的therapy, 當然不是所有的therapy也會變成通靈，你學的大概是solution focus，還有CBT也是沒有通靈成份的。但事主所接受的therapy是輔導界中相當流行，至於是否放鬆自己必定通靈，那當然不是，因為魔鬼本身是具位格的生物，他們是有戰略的有想法的，並不是程式或機器，就算拼命玩碟仙養鬼仔也不一定能通靈成功，也是因為剛好你不是目標。
現實是通靈比你想像中容易很多，放空渴求交易，這三個元素齊全就有機會會通靈，聖經常常要我們是警醒，而不是放鬆，耶穌也講一大堆嚴厲又傷人的話，本來這些輔導方法就幫不到什麼，事主最後花了20個section的錢，也不如自己堅強起來面對現實，你看完part 2就知道了。
看完第一個部份🤔
好像發現女姊妹述說她自己的經歷，如何被人輔導？ 整個內容都沒有提及用聖經句子，祈禱， 倚靠主耶穌基督，作為重要力量幫助？
第二
也沒有聽見姊妹分享她整個輔導內容
，輔導員引用聖經講道，用聖經內容講道幫助姊妹克服她的問題！增強她對信仰的信心！
來達到最後倚靠神，倚靠聖經神的說話，來達到她的問題克服？
其實連輔導都有好多New Age元素，就以事主嘅輔導為例：
1. 放鬆自己，從地下支取力量->通靈/靜觀
2. 內心小孩---> 通靈（鬼假扮過去嘅自己/故意製造過去嘅影像）
3. 想像出影像----> creative visualisation(信念創造實相)
4. 特別安靜舒服嘅環境+輔導員術語式引導 ----> 催眠？
唔應該用意識想氣由腳入， 這是入負能量。。
若正統道家氣功這樣做是本未倒置，拿負能量入身，會易走火入魔。。
道家是閉門式練自身的氣，練丹田氣呼吸， 不拿任何外氣，只練自己的氣來養生和放鬆。
一般腳是用多排氣，排走身體上的負能量， 還有過度用意識引入地下負能量就真係入倒衰氣的， 因腳只能用來排廢氣。
西方的 new age 亂來， 害死人都唔知。
如果案主接受輔導前已有邪靈攪擾，其實見仼何輔導／治療／處理根源，也會被觸發，個人認為並不最直接關輔導本身
不是，這可以驗出來，你看完就會知道
聽了這勇敢的女client分享她在「神學院」做心理輔導而導致被鬼附的經歷，我有以下問題：
1. 做心理輔導為何要放空和引導耶穌介入client 的治療， 這是甚麼therapy? 上帝豈可被輔導員差使作工？
2. 其實做心理輔導就是做心理輔導，動用身心聯系的策略也不是問題，正常的做法是引動client自有的動力和資源去自助，怎會是利用宗教的教義或外在的力量去驅使client 作出改變？
3. 這過收費過案竟然做了28 個session, 比一般的輔導歷程長了很多很多， 難道這機構沒有監管過案進度和termination 的步驟嗎？
4. 從client 事後的分享中，client 也承認對男輔導員有不少好感，並因是在神學院的光環下放下了戒心，再者，在這漫長的過程輔導歷程中，輔導員竞然完全沒有察覺client 被邪靈入侵的symptom, 是一個專業疏忽嗎？
5. 事後女client 也不想誠實告訴神學院有關她的經歷，是她有品和有愛心，但有沒有想過日後還可能有不少過案會中招受害？
The counselling she went thru is kimd of normal.. i did that with my parebting counseling and the counsellor is not Christians...just want me to relax to take a deep breath. So i didnt talk to anyone. Just the counselors did ask me whether i am tired. Pls clarify that i am in Canada. Should i avoid that in future?
I have done counselling training in the U.K. and we were never taught to ask the client to take deep breath to relax and ask if they were tired out of nowhere. The way they described in the video is a body part meditation which is a new age/estern method of meditation that leads to emptying of mind of any thoughts. Not sure what you experienced is similar to what they described in the video but if it is it’s a bit of red flag in my opinion. Proper professional counselling therapy should follow strict guidelines and not too wooo because it should be scientific-based with well researched counselling theories that actually is proven to work. Some don’t work on everyone, it’s still a very new area of research and psychology is difficult to do research on.
Counselling does involve inner child work. I have personally gone through it not with a counsellor, just following online video and a book I read. I think it can be misunderstood if you have no prior knowledge about it and can be quite dangerous if you have no professional guidance because it is playing with your actual memory and imagination and fantasy at the same time. I have tried it when I was young using my imagination on past memory and it gave me some relief at the moment but didn’t really work until I understood what it really means to do inner child work. It needs to be your actual clear memory from past, not imagined/fantasised location and scenarios.( that can lead to psychosis )It’s also not just to go back into memory and reparent your younger self. It is about consistently meeting your needs as an adult now and changing how you talk and parent your inner child (yourself). It’s a relationship that foster self compassion (actually just god’s love for you). You are always a child of God, that’s why you feel there is an inner child in you. But that inner child is you. The voices/thoughts (parent side of you) are either from God or the enemies.
I think this process can be healing but if not done with professional guidance it can mislead people to have fragmentation and confusion in oneself and sway from the ultimate truth that it is God that is doing the healing after all not ourselves.
讀過輔導，睇完呢條片都幾震撼。咁樣睇來同mindfulness有關既輔導技巧 、或者係Gestalt therapy 中 Empty Chair既技巧都唔用得。真係要拎番d輔導書出來睇下。
這類輔導叫「内在醫治」，靈恩派一早就有，當時有些福音派是接受的，現在福音派接受的程度更大。
淨係聽係part 1，已經覺得個案入面個輔導，所用的技巧係new age嘅靜觀黎喎，有無識輔導嘅人講下。
個patern都係放鬆身體，然後有影像
用嘅唔係一般輔導手法，姊妹見到的影像而分享的似默觀靈修所見到的， 但成見事錯曬，呢個係輔導，唔係靈修，靈修前要讀經，讀幾次先默想經文…… 無讀聖經前題下見啲咁嘅嘢……我有讀輔導的，唔講邪唔邪靈，呢個又唔係CNT 嘅guided imagery, 又唔係靈修，想點？
前Psycho人表示Inner child入面講嘅嘢都係確確實實Psycho入面會講嘅嘢，兩三年前聽過導師講類似救X軍嘅團體有搞過呢啲course(屯門有)，區內大學都好似有(唔肯定)
原來Sigmund Freud對而家都仲係咁有影響力🥲
Psycho ug course教呢啲嘢？！🤮🤮🤮
講inner child係因為Sigmund Freud套潛意識(即係果座雪山個model)同埋防禦機制，當然普遍都會插佢其實潛意識呢樣野係無科學根據(心理學=社會科學，都係社會嘅科學)，但係喺而家嘅輔導仲有用係因為可以同client建立個好啲嘅關係，少少簡單嘢已經可以開始輔導，例如你點樣畫屋樹人就會反映出內裏某啲感受/情況(參加咗Expressive Arts Therapy嘅活動先至了解多咗)
師兄跟我嘅留言跟得夠貼🤓🙇🏻
@@cct0704 expressive arts therapy算唔算觸靈？
但我諗如果純粹知性上嘅追求係無事，本身唔係一件唔好嘅事，甚至學術上有個咁樣嘅解釋/詮釋係好型(個人感覺)但去到practical sense就要小心 #雖然可能係廢話
個人覺得心理學同輔導唔係咁一樣，我無讀過社工所以唔太熟
我所理解你觸靈嘅意思係果3個步驟，即係類似係放空、邀請、交易，而喺呢個意義底下確實係觸靈，但係未有靈入過我身體度(至少我唔知，至少我感覺唔到有其他所謂力量控制我)
我有學相似的，請問我可以點處理?
先找李牧師團隊驗靈，facebook.com/pastorlipage/
已見牧師，我和一起學量子觸療，脈輪，頌砵的朋友都的確中左招，正處理中，謝謝你的短片令我察覺到，并得到你建議及早處理。感激!
姊妹,你的信仰在那裡?還走去做瑜珈,不㫁接觸，你要幫到自己是放天父主耶穌基督，聖靈在心裡!神的話語非常重要!緊記!
聽你説:好有懷疑你是否去錯異端地方?接受 治療!
不是異端地方，講出來誰到會知道是哪一間神學院。現時教會有哪一間能解釋為什麼不能做瑜珈嗎？就是全都不清不楚才會做的，姊妹已經悔改，我們當用愛心接納她。
信仰無添加 1 第六集 基督徒可
否練習瑜珈呢?
你們可以找到答案
@@aabin6935 別拿別人的東西叫人找答案，你試試自己用簡單句子把不能做瑜珈的原因論述出來，否則只是另一種迷信。
神所賜出人意外的平安，必在基督耶穌裡保守你們的心懷意念
腓立比書 4章 7節
好靈異～估唔到接觸褔音派都會撞鬼！
而家連成個心理學幾乎都係觸靈！
一講起曹操曹操就到，我昨晚還在想福音派會唔會撞鬼⋯⋯
好恐怖
係地下嘅力量係地心吸力
多謝分享實例某福音派輔導手法不符聖經教導。
催眠術係咪真係可以令人記起唔記得咗嘅嘢？
我睇過一次係唔成功，個導師話我自己深層意識未想面對，但唔記得左又如何証實搵返嘅真係遺忘的記憶?
全部都係鬼！
分分鐘嗰位輔導員對事主用埋催眠術啊......
輔導用嘅方法有問題！我想人容易偏向用呢個方法有效果，便繼續用，而無想過可能唔符合聖經