Konstantin Kisin & Neil deGrasse Tyson CLASH Over Trans Debate
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- 💥Join us on our Journey to 1 Million Subscribers💥 Konstantin Kisin questions Neil deGrasse Tyson about his views of gender on a spectrum. They discuss societal constructs of gender, female-only spaces and debate the future of sports and how to resolve the issue of trans athletes.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is an American astrophysicist, author, and science communicator. Tyson studied at Harvard University, the University of Texas at Austin, and Columbia University and was a postdoctoral research associate at Princeton University. Since 1996 he has been the director of the Hayden Planetarium at the Rose Center for Earth and Space in New York City. He is the host of the podcast StarTalk and in 2014 hosted the popular television series Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey. He is the author of many books, the latest of which is 'Starry Messenger: Cosmic Perspectives on Civilization', available here: www.amazon.com...
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I think it's really interesting how both of you are trying to step beyond your own bias and actually listen to one another... but then it turns out to be a real struggle because you both so much want the other person to see your point.
I agree with both of you.
As it stands, the almost mythical status of trans individuals is making it nearly impossible to criticise their place in society, so there I agree with you.
And I agree with Neil that it is now upon us all to solve these problems moving forward, by leveling the playing field altogether.
Maybe in fifty years we will look back at this and think it's all just as silly as the boys and girls entrance to the school. New solutions will be found.
Thank you for bringing light to this topic and speaking to people with very different views about it.
Neil Tyson is so full of it. Bought and paid by the establishment.
@@hannekezijlmans6578 we did even the playing field when we made women only spaces/sports/shortlists that’s how women got opportunities, it’s men that want to be women that are pushing into these areas causing the problem. Trans women are not the same as women. Pretending so only hurts real women. Have a trans category and let’s see how many trans athletes sign up shall we? If you transition to another sex you are a trans person in a separate class from man and woman if there are actually so many of them it won’t be a waste of time and money to accommodate them in their own spaces/sport/shortlists. That won’t happen because the trans movement has been hijacked by fetishists and perverts and if they can’t spy on or intimidate women then what’s the point.
Is N.D.Tyson a real scientist?...his sense of reason is flawed to F.
I think I can manage without that, thanks all the same.
He’s a man of science right up until science conflicts with his political ideology.
I wonder if he genuinely believes all of this or just desperately wants to avoid getting cancelled so he’s going with the party line
No ideology, just an opportunist who sees which way the wind is blowing.
@@meglukes What exactly do you disagree about with him?
Some days he's only 80% a man of science. Other days he's 80% a women of science 😅
Conflicts with his master’s voice. He’s a slave
A supposed scientist asking “why do you care” is like a doctor asking “why do you want to be healthy”. His ignorance is matched by his arrogance.
The question made me think: "why does any transperson care? Nobody I know gives a damn!" They seem to want attention. Not recognition.
Deepak chopra of science
@@lordgizmor1376 Because the personal is political, being trans isn't just about their junk, or lack thereof, but the ability to force others to accept their worldview as well. It all comes back to Marx and Gramsci eventually, it does with practically every leftist ideology. They just change the names every so often to hide it.
Why does Neil care?
Shouldn't he be shrugging his shoulders going "i dunno, i have no opinion" if he wants to make a "why do you care" argument?
i had an ongoing "debate" with a couple of these parrots who kept coming back to "why do you care" after their accusations of phobia and bigotry did not achieve the desired and expected withering away and dying. i asked chat gp t if that was a reasonable argument - "In a debate, "Why do you care?" is generally not considered a reasonable argument on its own. This response may be perceived as dismissive or evasive rather than addressing the actual points or issues raised during the debate. Debates are meant to be an exchange of ideas and arguments, and simply asking why someone cares does not contribute to the substance of the discussion."
As an astrophysicist, I apologise and am extremely embarrassed on his behalf.
You got to where you are because of merit, not racial diversity quotas
He's reached Bill Nye the Science Guy levels of idiocy.
I like it, whereas normally I'd just have to listen to this annoying blowhard lecture everyone on cosmology and the composition of celestial bodies, now I know that I can walk intellectual circles around the guy regarding basic biology and its relevance in society.
I'll bet I can beat you at arm wrestling too.
That’s considerate, and if it’s a joke, it is funny. The key thing to remember is that being an expert in a field it does not mean that one is naturally right. Because someone is well educated does not mean that they are knowledgeable on the subject. The truth is, Tyson’s arguments, about many things, are suspect. It’s the quality of the argument, not the merit or résumé of a person. Good luck with your astrophysicist endeavors.
@@stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 He is making it hard for you to practice your hate, I get it.
We did fix the playing field. We made Male and Female sports. We have handicap sports. Let them compete with other Trans people! This is just Neil’s way of kicking the can down the road while feeling like the good guy
They did that with black people on buses and water fountains. Wanting segregation is a weird ass thing. Neil is absolutely right on this and actually has such a fresh perspective on it. He doesn't care for trans people and he doesn't care for transphobes. Literally just a person that's looking at it from a strictly scientific angle without any substantial knowledge of trans biology.
@@Alittlewhitewave Trans Olympics. 1/2 entrants wins a medal.
@@AshleyJoy-nd8ui Fresh perspectives are not by default enlightened ones, in fact that are quite often idiotic. Don't use the tired "segregation" trope, that's dishonest to anyone with an ounce of intellect. Creating categories for sports is not segregation. Why do you think 150 pound boxers are not fighting against someone twice their weight? It's a no brainer. If you think the handicapped should be boxing against heavyweight pro's then you are clearly deluded and beyond reasoning with.
He think the sports issue is solvable. Does he actually expect the trans ideologues are going to go through the steps and regulations that he’s proposing? I highly doubt it. They’re notorious for grandstanding and pushing their way into nearly every facet of life. There’s no possible way they will participate in any rules that are made up by what they consider to be the “patriarchy.” They’ll make up their own rules and it will only benefit their own interests, women be damned.
Kick his can down the road. Where or how does such arrogant idiocy grow?
The fact this is even being debated seriously is terrifying
No kidding, It's so crazy that I'm starting to question my own reality.. like either I've gone mad and this is all a weird delusion I'm having or like the 60% of the world has gone nuts.
He has always been an actor
@@garethdelux9266I'm with you. It feels like many of us are trying to hold our minds together as we witness the majority of the world (the western world, at least) collectively lose theirs. It makes me very sad, and VERY concerned. Something is truly, deeply wrong- and I don't know how we can possibly get over this.
@@garethdelux9266 Feel helpless and ineffectual? Here is some clarification...
“If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain that you will create a despotic government to be your master. The wise despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they are helpless and ineffectual.”
Frank Herbert
Get it yet?
Yep 100%
Neil is a pure example of how politics over rules science
absolutely
And politics is over ruled by big money.
nobody was talking about science in this video. thi is equity vs equaity
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 Biology is science, lol
It is deeply sad to see such a great scientist and science popularizer being so indoctrinated by the woke movement that he can only shit out of his ass.
"Allow me to interrupt you but you're not allowed to interrupt me."
“Don’t interrupt me by answering the question I asked.”
@@lloydwoodward9053 Tyson was giving longwinded responses while begging the question that "gender is a social construct." Basically, he was trying to bury the fundamental disagreement via tangents and hypotheticals that distract from the actual heart of the issue. When the host tried to direct him back to the central issue at hand, Tyson cried about being interrupted. When the host questioned one of the many tangents Tyson was using the bury the central issue, Tyson interrupted him.
He’s become an egomaniac. Smdh
It's so sad to see a formerly intelligent man like this making a fool of himself stumbling through nonsensical points just to try to justify the brainwashing that he's fallen under.
I dont think hes brainwashed tbh, i think hes just towing the line because he thinks he will get cancelled if he doesnt. It shows from his absolute inability to make real or any kind of convincing argument, its like hes just saying things he knows are going to instantly be refuted, but hes doing it anyway just so he has said it so he doesnt get cancelled.
He was never intelligent, it was always an act.
he's not brainwashed, he's been bought. Push the narrative and receive speaking jobs at conventions, news interviews, etc. He's gets paid a lot of money to push things he knows aren't true. A fools salary is very high these days.
It might be that he lives and works in academia and the media and hence he gets soaked in the trans ideology.
Was he ever intelligent or was he a manufactured product? All those popular science programs, who wrote the words he spoke? Was he just a figure head with the right....um...physical characteristics desired by the puppet masters?
I'm so sick of people who want to pretend that the bathroom issue isn't important. Years ago,before all this controversy,I had a female friend who was raped in a gender neutral bathroom. To hear a scientist talk this way is very disturbing. I'll never again be able to take anything that man says seriously. He is so afraid of being cancelled What a coward!
He has always been an actor
Yeah, similar to Howard stern. He was probably told to fall in line or else they will come after him.
He's not scared of being cancelled, he's legitimately brainwashed by the agenda.
"Solution is simple. Fix the underlying problem behind rape" --Tyson
its horrible that horror was visited upon your friend but the gender neutraul bathroom was not the key component in that crime. incidentally i dont agree with NDT on this subject. my point is Evil people will do Evil things regardless of which Gender they wish to Identify with.
Neil demands no interruptions but demands the ability to interrupt others.
They are asking him a question and not letting him answer.
@@yew2oob954 and he did the same was the point he was making
He's prolific Black-Science-Guy. He's above us.
hes not used to people actually debating him
He's an intellectual bully.. Always had been.
"Why do you care?!"
He wouldn't dare ask Payton McNabb parents that question. She was a high school volleyball player who was severely injured when a ball spiked by a trans opponent struck her in the face with such force, that it knocked her to the ground and left her with brain damage and paralysis on her right side, which ended her dreams of getting a volleyball college scholarship and has made it difficult to walk without falling.
@@jeffmarshburn8099
Men don't belong women's sports. Period.
This man has absolutely lost his mind. He refuses to answer the most basic questions, provides nothing but hypotheticals, and frustratedly talks over everyone.
_"Fix the playing field"_ is utterly meaningless. The playing field wasn't broken until men and their supporters like Neil decided to break it. Men's sport won't be affected.
This is pure absurdity.
Yes, there's something surreal about watching this grown man yell about "fixing the playing field", when you realize that what he's talking about is the staggering injustice of . . . women's sports and women's safe spaces. This clown actually believes these spaces are equivalent to Jim Crowe.
He really just stuffed his own foot in his mouth and chowed down like it was finest steak.
"Neil, you're eating a stinking shoe!"
"Fuck you, racist! This is finest tenderloin! When will we fix our BROKEN SOCIETY?"
When he made the comment about worrying more about why there are female quotas, I realized he was incapable of critical thinking.
Kisin: A house is on fire. How would you put the fire out?
Neil: I'm more concerned about how the house caught on fire in the first place.
I would love to hear his mental gymnastics for justifying letting biological males in female prisons, and how he would justify the rapes that have happened because of it
Prisons. Exactly. R* shelters or domestic violence shelters too. Or instances where children are sleeping together overnight. Can he really not grasp this?
A likely solution is don't have prisons separateed by sex but by some other means
I wouldn’t expect a good explanation. His main position was “why do you care?!!!” 🙄
My 'favourite' was a girl couldn't have been attacked in that way because there were no males in the girls bathroom. It must have been the girl with a penis then...or the male in a skirt.
@@glerp10000000000 I didn't see this in the video above
When the comedian talks facts and the scientist pushes propaganda you know that we have truly hit rock bottom
Truth!
I've lost all faith in my celeb scientists. Neil is woke AF, The late S.Hawking was an Epstein fan. late Carl Sagan on the climate crisis... I used to love these dudes
Comedians has always spoken the truth. They just convey it in a way to make fun of the reality.
Seinfeld only speak of what he sees and understand. Nothing more or less. Ever.
George Carlin is probably the biggest legend of speaking the truth on a level above most people, but still make everyone understand his point with comedian perspective he delivers this.
Someone highlight this comment!
Believe me, there are also comedians who push propaganda and scientists talk facts.
And no-one is smart enough to break down this issue into its actual fundamentals:
The only real objective and reason for any of this to begin with is: some criminal peeping tom and flasher men want to gain access to women's locker rooms to commit the crimes of peeping on those women and indecent exposure of themselves to those women for their sexual gratification. Well, maybe for some of them the objective is purely the criminal financial benefit they gain from cheating in sports.
Never in my life have I woken up and thought “I feel like a man” or “I feel like a woman.” Is that really so common???
😂 Tyson had lost it.
And he is also wrong about that because no man can feel female, he can falsely believe that he feels something that he believes is female which actually wouldnt be female any more than he could wake up and feel like a tiger. He may wake up and feel something that he thinks is how a tiger feels but isnt actually because it would be impossible for his body to generate that feeling.
You never experienced it, so it never happened. Got it.
@@auh786 No, its not possible for a man to feel like a woman therefore its not possible. Men and women have different brain chemistry, hormone levels, genetics and biology. A man cannot feel like a women or vice versa because he doesnt have the biological components to do so.
Common in the real world? NO, common in the unreal leftist liberal minds? Of course it is,,,,, ???????
Tyson's argument about male-female percentage according to how you woke up is downright ridiculous.
He takes it in the ass in the morning.
No he is 100% right I know your primitive neanderthal brain has your feelings hurt but that's ok because no one gaf 🤣🤣 but he is right by the way. It's biology until you earn your PhD you could debate Neil. Until then STFU B
Yes. What could be clearer proof? He's aligning himself with cultists. He and they make a mockery of liberalism.
Who is he really? I would guess an actor playing a scientist, at least during this discussion.
@@DebraArchie-f8o Just curious, do you see my c'ment of 12 min. before yours?
I’ve got a friend like this, a scientist, who speaks to everyone as if they are too stupid to understand. What he and Tyson lack is common sense and the ability to be challenged without getting angry
I agree zero common sense.
Smugness goes before a fall
Yeah, as someone who is a military history freak, it blows my mind how ignorant he is when he talks about warfare or geopolitics. I have to skip through most of what he says because he beats his points to death thinking that “if only the plebes understood…” We understand, you’re just a dipshit.
It's the way he keeps interrupting and talking over Konstantin. It's obvious he's hoping he can distract from the point being made, or derail to such an extent that he won't have to actually answer the question being asked.
When he is asked a simple question, he witters on providing extraneous, irrelevant details, as if trying to run out the clock. "When I was a kid I did wrestling" , "years ago in kindergarten they made boys and girls use different entrances" blah blah blah ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION!
A platform in which people are allowed to disagree and make their point to each other broadens perspective. I had an idiot friend who debates people the exact same way, don't talk to him anymore because it turns into an ego fest.
he is not defending his ideas, he is trying to defend his position in the media
That is one of the most concise and cutting comments I have ever seen on TH-cam.
Bingo. He's a sellout
When you ignore the science that you have built your whole career on you have been indoctrinated.
Ideology is the complete opposite to actual definitive science.
The man is a fool
yep, he will change his tune as soon as the wind blows the other way
Can I get an amen from the choir
Crazy to witness a man of science go woke.
having a single bathroom in a cafe is going woke? lol
Yes
What even is 'woke'? Such a meaningless thing to say.
Right on the nose with this comment.
@@mattlewis5095woke is Losing your common sense too lunacy.
It's amazing that a guy who is trained in science and logic could become wrapped up in this insane ideology
Gender ideology is utter nonsense.
maybe that training wasn't so good?
What are his qualifications? The man owned a shop and studied pluto. Does that make him a qualified scientist?
He’s bought by the matrix
His pocket are wrapped up with the ideology.
Neil is proof that scientist have been ideologically captured/blinded.
that idiot was keep on interrupting Neil deGrasse Tyson. neil has said everything logically correct
No, he is proof that ONE scientist has been... 👍
Scientists are humans like any other they have always been bias and had egos. The scientific field in reality is probably one of the most toxic when it comes to opinion. Think about dedicating 30-40 years of your life to an idea just to have someone else come say your wrong or in reverse think about if you proved something that was accepted by science to be true for 100 years by thousands of other scientists to be wrong how much push back you would get. Compound all of that with if your wrong you could lose your income source.
@@ginojaco scientists were always ideological. scientists are humans and everyone has a bias.
100% science has been bastardized for a long while. ps 4 replies but i only see 2 !!!
I have lost so much respect for Neil Degrasse Tyson over the years. He only seems intelligent to anyone who is incapable to think critically
I'm sure he's intelligent when he's talking about things he actually knows a great deal about, instead of this gender gibberish.
No, I'm pretty sure he 100% knows what he is saying is bullshit.
IF HE STAYS IN HIS LANE
he is brilliant
but his lane is narrow
and he pretends hes on an 8 lane freeway
@@AcidifiedMammoth When bullshit is baptised with wokery it becomes the pearl of great price.
@@ripvanwinkle2002 ...with no lane discipline!
i lost him at “who you decide is male or female” uh, i don’t…science does
When you see a person in the street and you think it's a male, you don't make genetic tests to that person to decide whether you think it's a male or not.
@@martinmcmartinezface4243 a dress doesn’t make u a female
@@AR15user so what make you a female
@@martinmcmartinezface424390% times I can. Even if the dude is wearing makeup and a dress. Different bone structure, different walk, joints, Adam's apple, musculature.
@@MisanThrope-cu1mw7fj3p I really doubt that 90% of time you can make a genetic test to a person you just see in the street. Stop lying.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.". Props to the 2 hosts for letting Neil Tyson kill his own credibility.
Tyson twists his brain in knots to defend trans ideology, at the expense of his good reputation.
Neil completely schooled them lol. I've never seen people so speechless in my life.
Indeed
@@jordach545never have I ever heard someone supposedly schooling somebody, with baseless suppositions. This was NDG schooling himself and making himself into a fool, same as the tailors made the emperors new clothes, school the emperor by his own hubris.
A literal buffoon. Neil, supposed man of science, trying to socially rearrange the natural world
I find his argument unconvincing. I find his emotional reaction concerning.
He has always been a fraud
He hasn't always been a fraud. He just happens to be egregiously wrong in this conversation.
Not everyone that has a perspective you disagree with is an idiot. They're either influenced or have a temperament geared towards that perspective. In this case Tyson is influenced by probably a myriad of things
My attitude is exactly as @NotZelda1. It's concerning because Tyson seems to be towing a line that may have severe social consequences
Right
He is just another “hustler” doing his thing, Alexis De Tocqueville journaled this very accurately. In addition, he is just another “idiot” in a planet overflowing with the hard of thinking….
he's a human beings and i'm sure the emotional reaction is frustration at the possible range of solutions to these cultural changes - rather than wanting to go backwards.
9:23 Everything is a monologue for Neil. He expects people to bow to his intellect and not participate- as if he has everything figured out and we should all just accept that he is the biggest brain in the room and nod our heads with each point. He is a fitting icon for the ideological arrogance of modern America.
I’ve a gnawing suspicion that we are all watching the result of affirmative action.
He's something else, isn't he?
Quick, someone fry an egg.
"Look, kids! This is your brain on misogyny!"
His intellect is not nearly as high as he thinks it is.
He’s dumb. That’s my analysis
He is a bully who yells, interrupts and shames to force his point. Other positions are always framed as regressions.
NdGT speaks entirely in condescending tones. He talks to us as if we know nothing of life at all - utter insulting arrogance
One thing I notice about NDT is that he hates being interrupted but he has no problem interrupting people.
Being wrong is bad. But being wrong and trying to stick to that opinion no matter what is the worst. Neil was not even listening to the argument. He was only thinking about refuting and counter arguing. And he didn’t want to admit he was wrong, only trying to prove he’s right no matter what.
This was all rehearsed, he has a narrative he's decided on, has a bunch of hypotheticals he uses and a monologue he uses that probably works with most people most of the time.... and then someone asked him to explain why... and it all collapsed
he lost when he defended puberty blockers for children....so his idea of progressivism includes medical experiments on children to try to prove a future political point in favour of trans people...sorry, but you CANT use children for these experiments because they are not mature to CONSENT
People like him are made for politics. When they're wrong & the writing is on the wall they coalesce a new wall.
This is NDT 101. He is a human narration robot. 🤖
Why should we ‘slice the population’ to fit these trans people’s agenda? This bloke has lost his effing mind.
Can’t watch any more of this moron, or I’ll start smashing the house up!
Since he turned the debate to racism, a good follow-up question could have been, "so can a person identify as a different race"
Or can we identify as other species?
NO the CONSENSUS in the MEDIA isn't that someone can change his race, so I don't believe that!
His head would've exploded
people have and do identify as a different race.
Ye exactly because if gender can be based on how I present myself. If a man wants to wear makeup and make his jaw look smaller and eyes look more feminine. And be a woman. Why can't someone apply dark tan and makeup to darken or lighten their skin to present as a different race, if they FEEL they identify with another culture more and want to be Asian for example... like plenty white people love Asian culture say. And may dress in the way the trends are popular over there and act a certain way. Like cutesy shy personality and wacky clothes or whatever... they aren't claiming to be Asian they just like that vibe and fashion. Dress however you wanna dress. Look however you wanna look, makeup, surgery, whatever. Don't claim to be something you are not. The social contagion has gone wild.
Neil is utterly unhinged. My respect for him has just transitioned to disrespect, contempt and pity.
I always had mixed feelings about Neil. The guy is clearly a brilliant science communicator. He has an amazing ability to convey complex ideas in science in a way the ordinary person can understand and be engaged. He is also a loudmouth with a giant ego. He can't help but talk over other people which is a character flaw I find highly irritating.
Underrated comment
You're right. Neil is smart but has a big mouth at the same time.@@WondrousMindTrick
Yep. NGT's intellectual mediocrity never ceases to amaze me.
NGT is conflating gender and biological sex when these are two very different things. There are some rare chromosomal anomalies, but for the most part (99.995%), biological sex is binary: male XY and female XX. Changing external genitalia via surgery doesn't change this. A female's fertility cycle, physiology and biochemistry is very complex. Yes, gender is more fluid, and yes that's many associations many of which are cultural. But still gender and biological sex are two very different things.
If I’m honest, I never cared for him. I thought he was a decent science communicator who bought into his own hype. And now he’s still buying into his own hype AND he’s bought into this ideology as well. It’s compounded his own sense of self righteousness.
Yesterday, I woke up feeling like...23% deGrasse Tyson. Today, I felt like...99% deGrasse Tyson. Tomorrow...I hope to ID as a black Richard Dawkins. So there. And I want deGrasse Tyson's royalties. As him. Thank you.
That's not how it works. If someone wants to dress like a man in the morning and then a woman the next day, get over it. That was his point and his only point during that piece of the discussion. 😅 The second part of his argument is fix the playing field and we won't care who is male and who is female. Do it or be left behind.
@@UsmanKhan-coolmfclearly a bot
@@randomas5565 i don't know. I think the op actually believes what they posted. There are so many people like him who are just not smart or logical or have any sense. They just want what they want and make arguments to support that
From scientist to activist. What an astonishing fall he's taken.
Sorry, but he was always like this
Makes you wonder what other positions in science he's been schilling for. In areas where the common person doesn't know all the facts, Tyson has wide latitude to spin his "facts."@@FilmFlam-8008
It needs Gad Saad to call him out!
He has always been an actor
Was he ever a real scientist?
Neil deGrasse Tyson is the smartest person that Neil deGrasse Tyson has ever met.
he is a legend in his own universe that he made , what a mind job, MATRIX
... ideologue in a basic sense.
True. No one will ever love Neil as much as Neil loves Neil.
omg hes a LIBERAL GET HIM!!!
No, there's no bipartisan thinking here. He's just a knob. Sorry to disappoint.@@Scorch428
A prime example of how anyone regardless of background is subject to ideological possession.
“Ideological possession “ good one !
“Moral extortion” that’s another one I like 👍
I might not agree with him but I thought he put forward a very logical and rational argument. What did he say that wasn't true??
Nah, he's jus a shill.
It's more about coercion than possession. He makes a lot of money speaking on campuses. He's looses all that if he doesn't comply to the narrative.
Demonic influence
Listening to tyson is like swimming in porridge.
Daamn 😂😂😂
The trans problem is not a civil rights issue. To treat it as such is a massive oversimplification. They are more than welcome to use the same drinking fountain. But when a man wants to fight against a woman or run track against a woman or be alone in the same restrooms as our young girls we need to start drawing some lines.
and why those lines should be about gender or sex? why not simple about wight for example. or height and muscle density in sports. Why a really tall and strong woman shouldn't be able to play in a volleyball team with other men? why a really slender and small men shouldn't be able to participate in high jumping with other similar women? onbce you answer that you understand that if a trans participates in any it doens't matters.
@@rodgar3759 because at the level of elite sports, no woman can compete with any man. It doesn't matter if she's tall or strong *for a woman*, she can't compete with a man. Not at that level.
@rodgar3759 if you believe it's only about weight or height, you're either acting very simple or being very disingenuous. Do you really believe two humans , one male one female who have the same weight/height are would be equal in competitive sports?
@rodgar3759 Here's one reason among many: if women want to have their own sporting leagues they should be able to. No other reasoning needed. If there's a million trans people in this country (well below the 1% claim), they have enough to have their own league too.
RACE is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT
Neil deGrasse Tyson is an excellent example of what we call an "educated fool".
with money on my mind, got my ten in my hand and a gleam in my eye. I'm a loc'ed out gansta, set trippin' banger and my homies is down so don't arouse my anger, FOO!
Oh god these liberal elites are so tiresome
Hes right up thier with Sam Harris at this point.
You might disagree with him and in terms of trans women competing in sports I do as well, but he’s definitely not a fool. He has thought out positions that require thought out responses.
@@IvanGonzalez-kf4lp He has a scripted narrative to follow to keep him in the good graces of the Hollywood weirdos.
Neil deGrasse Tyson is the single most arrogant person I've ever seen embraced by the media. Carl Sagan built bridges, Tyson just lectures and talks down to people.
Tyson'??......He's a bully, and a 'Establishment' man!........Previous exposure has shown that.
It's not that arrogant to expect every sport to completely change so men and womens physical and mental differences don't matter. All we need to do is capture a leprechaun and wish it. Easy peasy
@@tomround8271 Don't be absurd.
A genie would be perfectly acceptable.
Carl Sagan didnt have to deal with todays right-wing populism and extremism, did he. People were sensible back in Carl Sagans time. And they were careful not to say stupid stuff because that would be embarrassing. People arent like that anymore. Its about "owning", "winning", and "embarrassing" people that are smarter than you now. Its a different culture. The age of the clickbait.
how about Michael Eric Dyson? he does not even have science to lean on. just his own ego.
When emotions get in the way of rational thinking...
the irony
I never comment on anything, but here goes. You guys did a spectacular job, but I really do wish you gave more examples when he asked because there are a ton. Besides sports, bathrooms and Parliament there is also: DV/SA centers, group therapy, AA or sensitive support groups, any type of lesbian group, scholarships, changing rooms, jails, prison, rehab, inpatient, hospital settings, birthing situations, dating apps, friendship apps, sororities, living situations, group homes, it messes up crime statistics, any kind of data collection, medical studies, it clogs up services meant just for women. On and on and on.
Well said 💛
Thanks for the list. I needed that info.
A lot of excellent examples. But I think most of them are covered by Konstantin referring to female only spaces.
Unfortunately, Neil didn’t give them a chance. He just cut them off and continued on
It obviously doesn't take a genius to figure that out. Or does it?
A marvelous example of everything wrong with society right now. He fell off the wagon of reason and logic.
He is payed for this stupidity! He's a profiteer!
Lysenkoism
Well said.
Bloody Hell! How rude is he? The guy is not stupid but he clearly swallowed the pill of trans ideology. His suggestion that we bend over forwards and backwards to accommodate a few mediocre men in sports is ridiculous. Comparing trans to Jim Crow and racial segregation is very offensive. Neil has been chipping away at his credibility for some time now.
Hard to fall off something you were never on
So why exactly is he okay with contesting hormon ratios but not okay with contesting gender with gender? Why is he okay with weight categories but not with gender as a category? Can someone explain?
Spot on
Because your strength in athleticism is based not on if you have a willy or not, but based on testosterone. Some people without Willy's have crazy high T, some people with them have very very low T. Separating by gender(which has a correlation) rather than by hormone (which is a root cause) is silly
@craptree however, the science on how testosterone effects muscle mass and bone density in trans athletes is incomplete. Bone density in some studies appear to be preserved after gender affirming hormone therapy. Having a higher bone density is an advantage that male athletes have over females in contact sports. Muscle mass is another issue. Studies have shown that trans female athletes have retained their muscle mass outside of a 5% reduction in the thighs. These are the true indicators of strength; muscle mass and bone density, and both seem to be preserved in the male athlete regardless of hormones therapy. If there was a 100 ng/dl T-level,168 lb division in boxing, just imagine the wreckage that would occur if someone as talented as Canelo Alvarez wanted to compete there on a quest to become a 20 division champion. In every case, if the science concerning retention of muscle mass and bone density has merits, there isn't a woman (Shields is the best they have now at 168) that could compete with him. And I find it ironic that in an age where we're supposed to be recognizing the accomplishments of women in certain spaces, we are still prepared to allow men to invade those spaces and take those accomplishments away.
@@TheAutumnWind_RN4L without references I cannot corroborate the studies you mention for sample size, quality etc etc. preferably this is best looked at via a meta study. Regardless I'd love to know - if you believe all that matters is bone density and muscle mass, why is this not measured. Easily done these days via Dexa scans. Some AMAB do really have smaller frames (I'm one of them), and the opposite is also true, some AFAB that are as big as many guys I know.
I'm sure you remember that poor women who was accused of being trans due to her body type, t levels and strength, but it turned out to be total BS
Whether you have a penis or a vagina is not the absolute way to define fairness, when there are, clearly documented exceptions. By using science and looking at what matters, we can also be inclusive of all people regardless their gender or body type etc etc
@@craptree they aren't measured as qualifications in sport because sport is classified in weight and gender. Genetics are a part of sport. Speed, power, fast twitch muscle fiber, endurance, height, all of these things are what separates athletes into subcategories, and we root for athletes based on those subcategories. We call them "positions" in team sport. The fast twitch, quick footed guys are strikers, running backs and receivers. The tall, powerful guys are linebackers, forwards and centers. But the purest form of sport is a contest between two individuals. And we romanticize these contests as speed vs power in boxing. Height and reach vs the indomitable will and ring IQ. We place athleticism in the same arena as intellect and intangibles in order to have a contest within that dichotomy. What we don't do is place genetic males in the same arena as genetic females in order for them to be pulverized. There's no sport in that, and it calls into question the morality of it all. But I stand firm in the rational idea that if bone density (which is directly correlated to muscle strength) and muscle mass (a clear indicator of muscle strength) is retained after hormone therapy, then it is an unfair, and potentially dangerous advantage in certain sports.
A comedian educating a scientist ...what strange times we live in...
"Scientist."
More like "Woke Scientologist"
He hasn't been a "scientist" since grad school. His day job is running a planetarium and has been for almost 30 years.
he is educating neil on how to be a femiinist who defends gender quotas in parliments?
Neil is educting him on how to be a libertarian.
I suspect he is role playing “scientist”, as he demonstrates no actual scientific knowledge or principles….
Neil De Grassy does not Understand Genetics and Biology ! He is Wrong ! Gender is not Fluid ! Sexual Orientations are ! Two Deferent thigs !
Neil has absolutely destroyed his own credibility. To use his own argument, a 120 lb pound dude that wrestles would destroy a 190 woman that wrestles.
Neils point was a 190lb person would not wrestle a 120lb person.
@@michael-4k4000 I get that. But he is missing the point that a 120 lb dude would destroy a 190 lb woman. Women should not be wrestling men.
He didn’t miss that point at all. He is saying the separation needs to be more nuanced, not just be gender and weight, but by more factors such as hormone, puberty age, and more.
@@2403rygar i honestly don't care who wrestles who. Wrestling is 2 men in spandex straddling each other, its a pretty strange event to watch. Not every 120lb man would destroy a 190lb female. I would lose to probably any weight.
@@michael-4k4000 That's why in his first comment he said "dude that wrestles" and "woman that wrestles". Obviously a 120 lb female wrestler would destroy most regular guys with no training in a wrestling match.
Thanks for exposing this guy’s wackiness. How disappointing, but important to know where we stand with Neil.
because he is not a feminist?
Neil is a smart guy in astro physics. however i don't need a bachelor of sociology to know BS when I hear it. Neils opinions on social issues are at everyone's level. when it comes to astro physics only a peer can challenge him.... i cannot. but i can certainly challenge him on social issues..... esp when his words don't come out sounding too intelligent on these social issues.
I’ve known him to be a crackpot for at least 5 years now, nothing new. NOT a man of science, a “science communicator” the likes of the Science guy and other half baked looney tunes.
@@nickyalousakis3851 supporting gender quotas doesn’t make you a specialist on public policy.
It just makes you a woke feminist
He exposed himself as a fraud awhile ago with his climate change hoax BS.
Richard Dawkins completely disagrees
According to Tyson’s words, a man can wake up feeling female, choose to be a woman for the day, make his way into a woman’s locker room, and then have the feeling of being male and revert back. In Tyson’s world, this is acceptable.
It's a scary place.
How did personality and style get confused with gender?
He's one of them, the establishment. Put in place by higher ups...
So many left leaning men clearly do not care about women that they claim to protect. I'm a woman. I hate that this is even an appropriate public conversation. Men should protect us from those of you who are criminal. Thank you.
He also thinks if you wear make up and a wig you can be 80% women, did he do this interview pissed?
Whilst describing woman as "wears make up"
Tyson is very rude. So a little 5 year old girl has to go into the same communal bathroom as a 60 year old man?! NO! Bad policy is being created based on bad "science"
It was my understanding he was talking about changing facilities and not bathrooms, wash rooms or toilets.
My question is this, who sends their 5 year old into the toilet alone?
Yeah, I totally fail to see how having separate stools in the same communal bathrooms solved anything. What happened to the urinals? Do guys now have to queue for ages to go for a piss because of this 'solution'?
I'm not really sure what it is but it is certainly not "SCIENCE".
@@LowlyEidolonwho would send a 5 year old into a bathroom alone?
A father. One that knows a man won’t be in there because it is a WOMANs bathroom.
You know that kids go to school at 4 or 5 alone, right?
@@FilmFlam-8008 but we still have separate girls and boys toilets at most schools - and both separated from adult loos.
Imagine being as smart as Neil thinks he is.
Ha ha!
It’s quite tiresome, because you have to deal with morons all the time
@@bobsmith5185imagine think NDT is smart and not a shill. Imagine thinking disagreeing with him makes a person a moron.
@@bobsmith5185Remember, if everyone's a moron, it may be you who is the moron.
@@RobotacularRoBob NDT is a delusional, condescending, woke shill. I never said otherwise. Try rereading what I wrote, then maybe you’ll realize how you’ve proven my point.
NGT likes being a public figure more than being a scientist 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey, Neil. Who says makeup is a feminine trait and pumping-iron shirts are masculine? That is the whole point. Nobody can define that for others, only themselves. People can present themselves however they want, but to force themselves to be acknowledged by others for what, by scientific definition, they are not is just absurd. There is nothing wrong with being a trans-woman because that accurately relays truth. There is a problem with being a trans-woman and forcing everyone to acknowledge that you are a woman rather than trans woman. Delusions are a symptom of mental illness.
Thank you! I'm sitting at home without make up, in sweatpants and a tshirt and thinking about how he'd call me non binary because I'm over here sipping my coffee instead of picking my gender for the day.
@@brokoleenonoHe ironically has no problem calling religious poeple delusional.
It's funny cause they box up gender even more with this trans ideology despite their side trying to make the genders equal
There is a lot wrong with being a 'trans woman'. There a many reasons why a man would wear women's clothing and none of them are wholesome. I don't respect those whom wear their disgusting fetish out in public.
@@sarahhopeful6683He's a deeply arrogant man, who isn't as intelligent as he thinks is.
I love how dumbfounded Konstantin and Francis are as Neil makes the most unscientific argument for trans people. It's not about "how you feel". It's about the reality of who you are.
He is right that u do have the freedom to express yourself however u want to. But when he goes further to say that changes to your appearance change your gender he is sooo wrong. Personality is a spectrum gender is not.
@@blutamis7697 completely agree
FF and KK must be practised at keeping a neutral expression on their faces ..... my jaw near hit the floor!
Is Francis swigging tea so he can laugh into it?
No no no- gender is determined entirely by fashion choice (makeup, skirt, muscle shirt), according to Neil. Trust the science!!
This is what happens when a physicist starts acting like he's an expert on social problems
Completely true. I'm a physicist, and I have had no training on gender issues. He's not speaking as a physicist, but (as I see it) a buffoon with an ideology who is terrified of being cancelled. I'm done with NDT.
Yeah, can you imagine if the opposite happened😂
I don't remember anything Stephen Hawking invented but I can tell you all about a Doomsday clock that moves backwards in time he did the mental gymnastics on.
Honestly I’d question anything he speaks on, even physics. The lack of logic, critical thinking he’s displayed should ensure this guy isn’t taken seriously in anything.
@adityajoshi6422
YUP
I listened to Neil thoroughly convince me that he is an idiot for the first two or three minutes of this interview.
As a Christian, I will pray to God that he recovers his lost mind some day soon.
Nobody cares you’re a Christian
Oh dear ! This is a classic example of how intelligence does not give any protection from stupidity.
Neils "shut up I'm smarter than you!" behaviour has lost him a lot respect IMO.
Imagine Thomas Sowell or John McWorter behaving like that!
Two very smart guys who calmly and simply put points forward and quite rightly gain massive respect in doing so.
NDG can go suck a dick! I lost ALL respect i had for him bro!
Tyson thinks there are perfect solutions, ie fix society. Thomas Sowell thinks there are no perfect solutions, there's only trade offs and he's right! Tyson has an elitist mindset
Contrary... being very intelligent actually makes it easier for you to do mental gymnastics to convince yourself of absurdities.
Knowledge ≠ Intelligence/Logic/Common sense
He’s arrogant and condescending, but that doesn’t make his points wrong so this is just a red herring.
Niel Degrasse has gone nuts to the point where he's delusional
and gets pissed about even having to explain it
His tone resembles that oh Bill Cosbys
it is actually wild how deluded he is, I could have never imagined
@@rynolascavio3381 I know I noticed that with Neil Degrasse in all lefties they cannot take others opinions because they freak but f*** out
First time I saw him I got slick Willie, Barry Obama Narcissist vibes...He gaslights better than Willie, but not as good as Barry.
Neil cherry picks science as he chooses. Also, gets very heated anytime someone dares to contradict him. What a great embassador for science he is.
You can take the scientist out of the ghetto..
Moar liek embarrassador amirite?
He has always been an actor
He was talking utter nonsense and he was let to get away... his solutions are totally idiotic and so unpractical for dozens of reasons..
Japp. He’s using rhetorical methods of downgrading the person he’s talking to. Ad hominem approach, loads of wordy BS, but not letting the other person finish their argument. And what kind of argument is “what do you care”??! The dumbest of them all. Gosh this dude, unbelievable.
"I appreciate how active your brain is, but let me finish because I've thought about this"
Could not listen anymore after that.
He was trying to cut him off with something he was going to address. Put the tampon in sis.
This is what happens when you believe your degrees make you smarter than what you really are. This man has lost his mind.
Rather, he thinks his PhD in astrophysics makes him an expert in other subjects due to his rational scientist's mind. He's not the only expert like that.
Totally a buffoon
He's just offering his opinion, and he's correct.
JCRosario, you hit the right on. NDT is show the world that he is a over confident reprobate, and that he is. Without shame but very proud
4 minutes in and Tyson is unbearable. Kudos to the host for keeping his cool despite the disrespect he is shown from his guest.
I was thinking insufferable, but yes, unbearable as well.
it took me 30 seconds to find NDS unbearable.
The subtle eye rolls as he "forces" himself to let opponent finish his "bigoted" question said it all.
The host give him too much respect, Neil don't realize how much of a dick he looks like when he start talking.
Tyson always does that on shows who don’t agree with him. He acts like he’s a 100% right and the host is a moron
Thanks Tyson. I’ve never been black, but I woke up today feeling 80% black. I now understand all of the persecution that we blacks have felt these past 400 years and I cannot wait until my reparations come. Unite fellow black men, hallelujah!
I've just spit my tea out 🤣
"I now understand all of the persecution that we blacks have felt these past 400 years" That is an absurd statement by itself. Do you feel all the hardships of your ancestors? The fact people think this is a valid argument is insane.
@@thomgizzizyou need help.
@@thomgizzizya, you obviously don't understand.
@@thomgizzizpoor reading comprehension
Neil Disgrace Tyson woke up feeling 100% intelligent. Sadly, that's not true.
If being female is about makeup, being Black is just about PERCEIVED skin colour, then Rachel Dolezol is just as Black as Neil.
She’s just expressing herself and that’s her freedom to do so.
She can also apparently take up resources, spaces and accolades meant for Black people.
Good for you - more please!
Good point! Why didn't he get out there and defend her as a member of the black community when she was exposed? Oh yeah, because she's a woman and he only interested in more rights for men.
If you put race into that debate, even the left won't know what to say.
If gender is a spectrum, what about race, height, weight or any physical quality? Can people be literally what they want?
Rachel Dolezol is a good example, now I've seen kids and adults that identify as animals. There's no limits anymore...
Actually, I don't think that there should be specific resources, spaces, or accolades only for specific races. So I'm fine with these weirdos who try to change their race.
Well said.
NDT is _really_ working hard to totally eradicate whatever shreds of scientific credibility he still had remaining. And he's succeeding beyond his wildest expectations.
He has always been an actor
Wonder what changed his view?🤔 follow the money!!! Wonder who’s paying his wages/funding his work NOW…
A frustrated actor and Ego maniac...@@albertodesantis739
@@1312Johnny Yeah, NDT always seemed like the type to happily forget all about his scientific integrity for the sake of a quick pay check. As far as I'm concerned NDT is now in the same category as Bill Nye the activist guy.
What credibility? Name a single accomplishment in the field of science he has ever had his entire life.
After watching this it’s clear that being a genius in one subject doesn’t mean you can’t be an imbecile in others
“Genius”
True. Another way of looking at it is that wokeness can even infect genius.
He’s not even a genius. Please…
He's no genius in any subject. Far from it.
He's been called out before by real scientists for being a fraud and a dumbass.
I'm an expat that lives in AU now and despite AU adopting very LGBT overly friendly society, most of the schools are still split between girls and boys and most people agree with that. Neil however thinks he's more evolved than everyone so he's right on all things.
How can I feel like a female if I have never been a female for a single second of my life
Apparently by putting lipstick 💄 or wearing a skirt.
Saying that doesn’t sound extremely sexist? I guess being sexist towards women it’s the new norm today.
I have been a female my entire life and I couldn't tell you what it feels like to be female as opposed to male either....what do I have to compare it to? 😂
This
The lgbtqai states that gender expression and sexuality has nothing to do with identity
How the world can i feel like male if sexuality and gender expression both does not matter? What the hell is a male and female
@@gemlouise1260Exactly. I had the same thought when I first heard "I feel like a female". "How do you know? I don't even know what it feels like to be another man, let alone a woman. No way to compare."
Exactly Kevin!
I love when scientists make cultural and social arguments and pass them off as objectively true scientific facts
Honestly I’d question anything he speaks on, even physics. The lack of logic, critical thinking he’s displayed should ensure this guy isn’t taken seriously in anything.
@@SquidFox9 I agree. Over the years he has cared more about his celebrity status over all else.
I respect Konstantin so much for being able to stay calm and listen to NDT babble on like this!
They are brave to have him on in the first place. He loves to hear himself talk and never shuts up.
They are intellectually superior to him and by staying quiet, sitting back and letting him rant on he exposes his arrogance and belligerent manner, and spurious ideology. It's cringeworthy to watch him self-destruct.
He was still too nice to him.
After Sam Harris, NdGT is easy.
And they deserve sainthood for being patient with both of them.
@@markc6411 He's an Englishman now.
I honestly agree with Neil, non of the comments I read that disagree with him say anything to disproof his point, they just insult him without a basis. If you do disagree, I'm open to hear honestly why. He plain says, we have these questions about gender separation and they are an issue that we are trying to solve in order for the question to not even exist, to the point of us in the future considering that question ridiculous, instead of answering in a way that just doesn't solve the problem in the first place (yes or no), digging deeper IS a scientist job, all he is answering to those questions is "I dont know yet, but we are trying to solve it so that there is not even a question about it", Like the bathrooms solution, just provide enough privacy and safety to each individual human, and the gender problem disolves and there isnt even question. I'm open to talk
How would Neils solution work exactly considering almost all men have significant advantages over women? I think his argument is based in a utopian fantasy he's made up where biological differences between women and men are nowhere near as significate as they actually are in reality. Look at female sport for instance, the top females cant compete against the guys that aren't even in the top 100. Look at what happened with Lia Thomas. I feel he came to his conclusion to accommodate political beliefs when it should be the other way around.
What a nice reply, thank you Alexander. Yes I agree with your point, when it comes specifically with the current situation of sports and physical competitions between builogical men and women, there is no question about it (hence my previous point about questions existing), the differences are so strong that separating the 2 genders is only fair.
@@KrisLalindethank you for being so polite and kind, that’s so rare on the internet these days. Wishing you all the best.
@@Alexander-dk8tb Thank you so much :) yeah the internet is full of haters and immature people in comment sections unfortunately haha, maybe thats actually why its rare to find someone having a proper conversation. I think its because we know that we are engaging in an environment in which its most likely to be a waste of time (as a kid you learn haha), so we just avoid it if possible. But once in a while one might just jump into it for curiosity, like this time :)
Neil wants us to "think differently" to solve a problem which had been "solved" since the beginning of time.
Haha true.
It has never been a problem until cultural Marxists looked for something new to be the oppressor class to be oppressed, since the last 200 attempts at Marxism had failed.
Neil encourages the destruction of the playing field, then points his finger at everyone else and screams "fix the playing field!"
The solution is to re-arrange society to suit a small minority of it.
He misunderstands why people watch sports. It’s not to watch fairness. It’s to watch something meaningful.
Masterclass on how to discredit yourself as a scientist.
by not being a feminist who wants quotas?
Or, how to gain influencer allies by threatening them with MeToo.
@@maintaint3003 Konstantin was clearly trying to get woke feminist brownie points by supporting gender based selection of politcians
@@thorstenmarquardt7274 lol why do you care?
@@maintaint3003 normal people with principles care about the best man getting the job instead of the one with the right skin color and genitals
Neil is a prime ecample of this Richard P. Feynman quote:"never confuse education with intelligence, you can have a PhD and still be an idiot".
Pauvre garçon🙄
this
What didn't you understand about what Tyson said?
@@monotech20.14His whole section about how to divide sports in different categories than sex was pure crazytalk.
@@Nordnerd1🍻 no kidding. How much compartmentalizing can sports be? Heart volume, lung volume, limb length, growing up in a two-parent household vers one-parent household, bone density divisions? What a clown.
If he is so eager to defend it and advocate for it, why won't he himself at least assist in solving problems it creates instead of saying that those affected by the problem they didn't create, should solve it and level the plane field...
Neil is that guy that yells when he knows he lost the argument.
yap, that is what he does. what a "scientist" huh?
“This conversation will look completely ridiculous.”
I hate to break it to you, Neil, but you’ve accomplished that already
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👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 😂
" Fit or not it and I ( Neil De A$$ Tyson) will look totally ridiculous in this conversation"
That is literally what he is saying Sean
This is one of the hardest and most ridiculous interviews I have ever seen. There was a time, I held this man in high regard. I have lost all respect for what I once thought was a gifted scientific mind. This man is a clown.
So instead of male and female sports categories, we have lung capacity categories, bone density categories, hip girth categories, fast twitch muscle fibre categories, testosterone level categories. Only in Neil deGrasse Tyson's mind does that make sense.
And it will end up being essentially male groups seperate from female groups, with a small overlap where 110lb flyweight men can compete with 140lb women.
2041 - Only identical twins can compete as that's the only fair competition there is.
Woah woah woah, just a minute! He has "thought about this."
He has always been an actor
It really wouldn't be difficult at all. Create trans categories.
However, of course, you can't, because we all have to play along with the idea that they are not "trans" they are REAL women, and REAL men, and therefore they should compete with the other REAL categories.
Because saying, alright you are a biological male but you want to live your life as a woman, fine by me, is NOT enough. We have to accept them as REAL women or men. That's the crazy part of it all.
I had no idea Neil was an Olympic level athlete. He’s out here pulling off some major mental gymnastics-incredible. 😂
The bathroom issue isn't just about privacy. It's also about women making themselves vulnerable in a confined space.
Yeah, he recognizes that, in a way, yet his solution is to put everyone, men and women, in the same space. Idiotic
using this to defend affirmative action in politics is disgusting
ABSOLUTELY! Tyson is being a total idiot showing absolutely no understanding on the fact women are all vulnerable to men!
It's MORE about safety than privacy, good lord.
@@Because_Reasons every discimination against white males is always about a good cause
TYSON: I'm a libertarian and the trans issue has no externalities.
TRIGGERNOMETRY: It has externalities.
TYSON: So let's turn the whole world upside down to address these externalities.
TRIGGERNOMETRY: WTF?!?
Pretty much sums it up for me.
His 'solutions' would requiring changing how the world organizes public restrooms and locker room and such (just as a start). That sounds like a humongous amount of money needed to set things right according to his view. He might know science, but he is NO economist.
100%
It is extremely bizarre how far Tyson goes to twist the facts... sad too
🎉...There are other examples because you don't get the functions,the sensibility ,the strength,the filters and shields your instincts and natural biological body has when you are willing to get a different one.
Having another hole in your body doesn't make it a vagina...if you are a male you aren't even aware of all the movements of a real one...less the feelings and the triggers in your body, thoughts and actions..
You don't have the alarm to be half sleeping hearing everything when you are a mother , neither the "weakness" feeling when you are without your male partner ( while he has the strongest protection feeling of all his life)...that rewards you with comfort and satisfaction when you both are together.There hundreds of other aspects/ functons/ full package thoughts+feelings+physical automatic syndromes that is inherently part of a woman and a man,they are different and complementary.
Special places for women...just because instincts are the strength to keep going on when even our faith and body is scrambling down.
Men should not have to fight their instincts all time as women should not risk to face some few men who don't care about others releasing the danger part of their instincts when they are alone with women undressing.
You will lose a war if your army has just females and the enemy has males.You will loose your civilization if the main daily carers are males and no females as physical strength is not the main force to keep you healthy.
There were children in a hospital in South America,one hundred years ago( scientific data in medical school library), many babies were dying after admission, even when they had the proper treatment...they didn't have their mother or any maternal figure with them.
One male doctor thought the nuns could help,and they did,in less than one month all the babies were eating and getting better with the same medical treatment as before.After that trial, mothers were allowed and prompt to stay in hospital with their children,if they had children at home the nuns would help in the hospital.
You don't feel the same in front of a woman and it's not just a feeling... you don't feel the same in front of a man and it's not just a feeling,.It has consequences in your life and everyone else.
If you need to do anything to reassemble a man or a woman then you are not one because all you need to become one is TIME 🕐.
Trans...so much effort to get the fake spot!
Ok Neil. The problem with "fix the playing field" is that trans people (especially trans women) don't want to "fix the playing field"; they want to compete in women's sports and nothing else. A lot of people have suggested they should compete in a trans league or maybe even an open league but they don't want to because that would diminish their chances of winning, the status they get from winning and would defeat their entire point of them -in their minds- being the actual biological sex they transitioned to. What people need to understand is that a lot of these people don't think "O, I feel the opposite of the sex I was born as, I'll get some medical treatment so that I can at least present as the sex I feel as." No, they think this: "O, I feel the opposite of the sex someone arbitrarily assigned to me. My penis is irrelevant to my sex so it's a female penis in my mind. Fuck everyone else I just want to do whatever I want whenever I want and I don't care who I whose career or life I destroy in the meantime, whether it's trough taking opportunities from them or starting a hat campaign against them."
I wonder how many people would genuinely identify as 'trans' if they weren't allowed to compete against women, enter women's spaces etc.?
@@ThiefOfStarsyes! and this is why we have to not give them permission in law.
@ThiefOfStars We have the answer, it's how many Trans men that are fighting to compete in men sports, but the Trans activist seem to have a blind spot to this.
You forgot the obvious the trans competitors would be to busy moving the goal posts
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My advice to NDT is to stick to the science and never speak of politics ever again. What really pissed me off about NDT is when he yelled at them around 13:54/55 when answered "Fix the problem damnit!" I don't know how these Conservatives have the patience to deal with these lunatics.
He originally went along with the gender madness because he was scared of being cancelled, and now he's just too scared to admit that he's ever been wrong about something.
He has always been a fraud
This!!!!!!!!
I really think he just cares about others and has a lot of empathy. He has talked about that a lot.
@@LiamDaLemon He sure doesn't seem to care much about women, nor does he display any empathy for women.
I always knew his hubris was too great for his intellectual capacity, now everyone sees it and he’s earned that
Yeah, I noticed this when he was incredibly smug about how humble science had supposedly made him.
He's not an intellectual, he just plays one on TV.
@@jimluebke3869 agreed. If you’re spending more time doing tv/podcast appearances than you are working in a laboratory you are by default a representative of intellectual ideals. Not a discoverer of said ideals.
If you start peddling a narrative that isn't backed by empirical evidence, nor biological reality and yet keep telling people you are a scientist...........you are gonna get exposed, and that's what happened here, big time for old Neilly!
He’s a social construct made by the media, the actual man is not nearly as smart as the media has made him out to be. He’s mostly just a political asset.
You right. This was the interview that finally made him dead to me. Just spouting nonsense at this point to protect idk what
Man he really isn't a science conmunicator he's a himself communicator. He just loves the sound of his own voice and doesn't think he can be wrong.
I hate how he yells over the top of EVERYONE. It is abnoxious, arrogant and shows he has a lack of basic communication skill.
But hes cosmically informed, dude. Do you have cosmical inform?
He has always been an actor
He was so rude, dismissive and totally unwilling to compromise on his view or be proven wrong - the opposite to what a real scientist should be. What a fraud. I'm starting to get depressed with the amount of people I grew up admiring as a child exposing themselves to be sheep and narcissists.
One day Neil will look back at this interview and be like wtf was i doing
I legit can't believe I ever respected this guy.
i cant believe anyone ever did.
Because of one issue that occurs rarely you disagree with, your whole view of him has changed, how pathetic :')
@@lenn2046when that one issue is so detached from reality that it brings his entire view of the world into question along with his credibility as a scientist, yes.
But please, simp harder
I never have. I have forever found him obnoxious, especially his habit of talking over people.
Believe and attack the arguments and ideas not the person.
People are prone to say and do idiotic things. No authority can change truth.
You can tell Neil never thinks he's wrong. He always thinks is he has the answer to everything and can't ever be wrong. Very telling.
That's a psychopathic trait.
Everything he has ever said is wrong. There isn't a single true statement he has ever made, about anything. Not even physics.
Yes, it is so obvious and frustrating. He acted like that the whole interview
Narcissistic
When a scientist suddenly choose his feelings over facts lol 😂
he didnt, when you look at him as he cannot look into the camera as they confront him, you can see its not his feelings, he is just found quasi plausible explanation to ideology
For supposedly being a smart guy he sure sounds stupid.
but the fact you claim is made up by a bunch of dudes not much smarter than you lot. i can see why you want to hold on to it. but in the end you'll still die scared and ignorant. so why bother other people because of your inadequacy??
Somehow, for a supposed scientist, scientific data is less relevant than fashion.
4:47
He should have mentioned female prisons..😂😅
"Fix the damn playing field!" We did already by giving women their own sports divisions. The issue that was missing from this debate is that it's not about having opposition to an individual's freedom to express themselves, it's about the trans movement not being content with that freedom but rather also want the world to ignore scientific fact as well. They don't want to be considered to be trans-women they want to be considered exactly as biological women and to take full ownership of all the rights of biological women and to hell with the fact that it means stealing those very rights away from them. "Trans women ARE women" they say. It blows my mind that someone who presents as a public intellectual misses such an obvious point.
Yeah, triggernometry really dropped the ball on this issue.
I actually think that is his exact point AND his solution as well. Thank you for further articulating his presentation.
Bingo- the solutions to the problem are being overwritten by the idiocy of changing language to suit feelings. Then he presents no solutions while screaming about finding solutions that he’s undermining.
@@16m49x3 indont think they did given that their goal is to probe what their guest thinks. They push back mainly to see what defense the guest is willing to use for their ideas. The spectators can the decide if its a good and sufficient defense or not.
So did he also 'fix the playing field' when he was accused of raping 4 women? Of course he did. The trans movement is just another term for classic misogyny. In this video, Neil is confirming himself as a misogynist
I love how NDT simply changes the context of the question (like a biased activist does) when logic and reason interferes with the conclusion his political agenda requires of him. He actually snarls with contempt at the beginning when describing why biological sex and gender is wrong. He's lost his mind!
Right?
He immediately abandons science.
What about health care - wonder if NDT would recommend health care based on the sex you feel you are that day..
Betcha he's on certain flight logs...
Nice - I also noticed how he gets visibly agitated. Literally snarling.
Kudos to the guys for staying calm in the face of such nonsense!
The boys had their hands full with this drama queen.
meritocracy is only nonsense to woke leftists
They looked both thoroughly saddened and somewhat amused that he was doubling down in the name of maintaining the rhetoric.
I'm getting so fed up, I can't stand listening to this really idiotic guy. What a bore!
why should I have to wake up go to my pool and look at a penis I never wanted to see in my women’s change room feel who you want to be but your comfort as a trans man is more important than my comfort as a woman NEIL YOU HAVE MADE ME SAD YOUR ONE OFF IS SAD
Re separate boys and girls entrances to schools: young boys tend to be rowdy and push when entering or leaving the school building; young girls tend to be less aggressive and therefore at risk of being overwhelmed and even injured (unintentionally) by the boys. Separate entrances mitigate against this risk.
Why do I care?!?!!!
Men in female spaces
Men in female sports
Men in female prisons
Wear whatever you want. THAT I don’t care about.
I was thinking PRISONS as well, that is a major issue.
Those are all issues but the biggest issue is children being brainwashed and being given medication/surgery.
I think the way the guest was talking was, why are there female spaces, sports and prisons?
Why are we in an advanced society still categorising people based on genitals observable at birth? Why haven't we came up with a better system like in his example, boxing's weight class, or Paralympic athletes class system, a system based on bodily functions or some other advanced system?
A 4 foot 8 tall woman does not have the same lung capacity, strength, heart size and blood flow as a 6 foot 2 woman. So why are we still putting them in the same sports and prisons? Spaces, should we really be categorising people for changing rooms, toilets, showers, prayer rooms based on genitals present at birth and not some other metric like current genitals present or again something more advanced?
@@LowlyEidolon I'm sure what you have written all makes to you. Have you thought deeply about what you have written? 'Why haven't we came up with a better system like in his example, boxing's weight class, or Paralympic athletes class system, a system based on bodily functions or some other advanced system?' You do realise that boxing and Paralympics are still split into male and female where physicality is important? Your assertion of 'A 4 foot 8 tall woman does not have the same lung capacity, strength, heart size and blood flow as a 6 foot 2 woman.' Yes, the object of any competition is find the fastest, and strongest in any given field. Sure you could divide that again by height, weight etc but what would be the point? How about race, length of limbs, hell even eye colour? The Olympics would last a year and who in the hell would be interested in the results? Please do more thinking and way less advocating.
@@LowlyEidolon can you imagine how many categories of let’s say boxing you would need to deal with every version of male female size wait the problem is it’s not doable everyone he’s actually interested in being the best no one cares about being the best of the 4 foot eight, transgender category
If I’m understanding what you’re saying correctly, please correct me if I’ve got it wrong
I never thought I was smarter than Neil degrasse Tyson until today… Thank you Neil..
Oh he's smart alright, a least smart enough to fool himself. His problem is his vanity and his lack of humility.
be patient: in '92, Falcone, the most important Italian judge, was blown up with 1 ton of TNT. the mafia could have killed him with 2 gunshots a week earlier outside Sicily where he was not super protected. this created such a sensation that the state had to create special laws and prisons. the underbosses asked the mafia boss "why? it will be our end" and he said "they asked me". Who asked him to do it and why remains a mystery he took to his grave. now I have the same feeling: Who is asking the scientist to defend these unscientific and indefensible ideas? why is he spending all his credibility?
I just burst out laughing. Love this comment. 😂 Neil has lost it
you aren't. you are just a feminist
Don't worry. You're not.
The fifth context where trans is an issue is the fact “trans women” are constantly pushing for the erasure of women through language, we now have govt funded health organisations in the UK and Australia pushing for the use of terms like “chest feeding” or referring to women as “person with uterus” to make these men feel included in the female experience. Identify how you want but you don’t get to violate the rules of science and language at everyone else’s expense for the sake of your personal identity.
Amen to that!
That's actually the most important issue regarding the trans nonsense.
"Preferred" pronouns and the use of "gender neutral" language is deeply corrosive of truth and equality, and is a primary propaganda tool of the neomarxists.
@@ashishkhatri2771 I agree!
Let Mohommed Hijab interview him. Not Pieres Morgan, not any of these jokers