PBA Pro Vs Vintage Bowling Ball
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- PBA Pro Packy Hanrahan Takes on Bowling With a Vintage 85 year old bowling ball! See how he can perform!
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Ahhh...Rubber. Back when the Bowling Giants walked the earth and bowling mattered more to the average person than baseball or football.
Those were the days my friend, we thought they'd never end.
@@garydiamond9615 Amen!
@nordattack everyone in my family used to be in bowling leagues or they would go bowling once or twice a week, now I’m the only one who plays consistently in my family anymore😢
That's the highest score that ball has ever seen!
And I thought my 1960s Peace and Love Columbia 300 ball was old! 😊
Fred Flintstone kicked some butt with his Brunswick Granite Black Beauty
300 games were bowled with wooden balls, 40 years before.
@@joshuamichaels2378 I was gonna say, in 80 years I think it's reasonable it's seen higher games. But maybe not that many revs 😅
@@anthonymetnes402 Facts, in this video was probably the same number of revs that ball would see in a whole tournament of play.
It might be worth just having that ball show up in a practice session for the reaction of the other PBA players... lol
It’s as old as all my grandparents 😊
Before this, the last time that ball was used, players had to keep score themselves... Imagine that? 🤔
“This ball *does not* hook.”
*Proceeds to hook it hard every bowl.*
“Ball doesn’t hook, thats I’ve learned”
/ball hits pocket coming back from the edge of the gutter 😂
It’s always the bowler more than the ball tho.
ball hooked every throw LOL
Just in case you still thought it was the bowling balls that have inflated scores, let this put it to rest. It has been and will continue to be the lane conditions that have blown the scoring pace out of reasonability. Modern synthetic lane beds + modern conditioners + sanction lane machines = inflated scores.
Modern conditioners and lane machines make far more of an impact then people realize. The way they can lay the oil down is far more accurate now, big difference compared to the past.
Yes but bowling mechanics have declined greatly while scores go up. Hackers rule the bowling world.
The tech with the oil definitely helps, especially with consistency since the oil patterns are so much more consistent that pros can fine tune a lot easier than back in the day.
Although the game is also adjusting at the pro level to make up for it. It's not like the pros back then were worse or better, it was just a different generation.
Well what do you expect? Oil on the lanes is made different and it's applied consistently. Then the balls are made/drilled much better with actual science and physics(same as better oils).
Look at it this way. Every single thing in life has advanced in the past 40 years(we aren't still depending on payphones or dial up internet right) so why wouldn't bowling? Like lanes that last longer, easier to maintain, and cheaper to produce(aka synthetic lanes). Then bowling balls that actually can handle the better/thicker oil that's on the lanes and keep energy downlane(where old balls were made for old oils and conditions. These balls are horrible on modern lanes because they have like 4 boards hook).
I absolutely despise people that complain about better advancement in bowling. It does nothing but hurt the sport with all the old 180avg bowlers moaning about not being able to keep up. Yeah I seen plenty of 200avg bowlers when urethane was all people used and the same houses with modern lanes have around the same number of people. It's not just the equipment. If that was the case every single person would have a 280 avg. When in reality the average of all league bowlers is probably 140. You have to practice and be good to do good on tour. If anything people now take it more seriously than ever where before there was zero consistently in anything.
It’s not the ball, it’s the player controlling the ball.
This ball is a tournament staple. Always put it in the bag
Always put it in the car for sure! The bag…ehhhhh
@@TheHouseBowling I'm getting worried about your rear suspension bro
@@TheHouseBowling always put it in the pocket 😂
@@TheHouseBowling an im trying to go pro but I don’t know how to get at that level 😂
@@TheHouseBowling Will tournaments let you use a rubber ball? I remember Walter Ray Williams saying he was not allowed to use a rubber ball for his spare shots.
I’m a mechanic at a bowling alley, we have one of these laying outside and I’ve been using it to practice two handed bowing through grass and hitting a concrete wall…… I really wish I didn’t do that I didn’t know how special it was, someone was throwing it away and I was like “cool a disposable practice ball” I regret it so much, I’m going to try to resurface it and get it back to way it should be
1984 US Open. Guppy Troup nearly wins the US open with a three-dot rubber ball. It was so epic. Roth got lucky and Guppy left a 10-pin. Guppy was simply epic. With a rubber ball!
Maybe in 20 years you'll be the guy who wins a tournament with a relic ball-a purple Hammer. ;-)
Bet that rubber ball stunk up the pro shop when it was redrilled
@Lefties Revenge Oh yeah, I would've loved to have seen the look on the customers faces when they first walked in. 😊
I use a Manhattan rubber ball from the 1960's as my spare ball. I'm a righty that had major 10-pin issues in high school, and nothing worked (including plastic). I picked that up off the rack one Sunday morning, made all five 10-pins I left in a three-game series, and kept it. It makes for a fun story when I take it out of the bag alongside equipment 50 years its junior!
I literally have the exact ball you're talking about and was used in the 60's
I bowl with my grandfather's 16lb Black Diamond bowling ball. It is most definitely over 50 years, and I recently bowled a 181 game with it. It is the only ball I use.
So I used to use Petraglia LT48, Columbia 300, and other 1970's balls....what I'd like to see
are lanes oiled like we bowled on in the 60's and 70's....1962 AMF oiler with 3 spray nozzles about 12" above the lane.... As it went down the lane there would be a cloud above the machine...there was no putting additional oil in the center than on the outside.....this was on wood lanes, not sythetic....that's the challenge I'd like to see...thanks for the video..
I think my father still has a Petraglia in the basement
Stop using ………. So much
Throw that on Wolf and Cheetah.....you'd win half the tourney's on tour lol
I'm trying to figure out how bowlers in the 30s were able to hold on to a 16 pound ball with only their middle finger & thumb.
Those old rubber balls were rocks. When I started bowling all we had was rubber and plastic balls on a wood lanes with lacquer finish, no urethane or reactive.
That's right I was there. Started with the plastic crap as a kid in the early 70's, The oil was nearly dripping off the ball after the lanes were just greased, I never could get much hook then. Later on I moved up in the world and got a rubber bowl and I was like wow look at thing hook, I never had a big sweeping curve but more of a nasty frieght train hook. Way more control it seemed for me with the rubber ball. During the very late 80's, early 90's, I was able to get that ball practically within an eighth of an inch onto a pin on wooden lanes. My best score in the early 90's was a 267 in league play. I have no idea how urethane would be even back then. I'm trying to figure out which way to go nowadays because I'd like to get back into it. I'm a bit older now but I still have a great amount of upper body strength. It's all so very confusing these days.
Funny, Brunswick Mineralite's were made during the conservation of rubber around WW2. They are not made of 100% rubber. Given how they smell ( like Sh1t) when you drill them I've always wonder what the additive was mixed into the rubber. Under no circumstances do they react like a true rubber ball such as a Manhattan Rubber or an AMF 3 Dot and if I'm not mistaken they don't have a weight block. NO, I'm not dating myself I started drilling balls at the age of 10, wait that still makes me old :-) Enjoy the adventure!!
It's almost certainly a high sulfur rubber compound making that odor.
I started bowling in the early 60s. First ball was Brunswick Black Beauty but do not know what core that had nor this relic from the past. Would be interesting to find wood lane to see how it would react compared to synthetic lane surface. Was fun and interesting video Packy. Justin Hromek one of my favorites, just quietly went about his business when competing.
These didn’t have cores
Still have mine. Nice doorstop.
I love watching Packy bowl. He is so freakin talented and down to earth.
Proceeds to start speaking bird
Imagine if you threw like that when the ball came out, I’d love to see the reaction you’d get from the crowd in a 30’s bowling alley 😂
They probably burn him at a stake 😂
Just goes to show you the whole buying a new ball is a scam. If you can bowl, you can bowl with any ball. If you can’t bowl, a new ball isn’t going to help you.
it was cool seeing Justin Hromek, remember watching him as a kid on the tour!
Same here
and watching him in Kingpin
I was his “caddy” when the tour came to my house in 95 or so. I was probably 11 years old. They let kids from the leagues carry the pros equipment from lane to lane. Cool experience!
As someone who has worked at the National Bowling Hall of Fame, when it was in St. Louis, I have seen almost all of the bowling balls that have been made. Nice shooting Sir.
My LT48 is modern compared to that mineralite 🤣
This was so cool. And really makes u wonder whats the point of buying 300 balls for league lol
Buying a $300 dollar ball for league is like buying a 700+ HP Dodge Hellcat to drive in LA traffic.
It's completely pointless and mostly just to make you look/feel like you're "COOL".
@@Mista808 lol so true. Which is why i usually wait till the price comes down if i want an expensive one.
great video
I’m sure the original user is probably dead now, but imagine bringing them back to life so they could see what you were doing with their ball. They’d be absolutely stunned and think you’re a wizard
Houses were still using Pin Setters when that ball was first used in 1935!
I saw one of those on the rack of an older alley that still had natural wood lanes. The lanes were extremely dry, so I decided to pick it up and roll it like it was intended - full roller 🙂 (I'm not naturally a full roller. I just knew in theory how to do it). Shot a 180 or so, which wasn't bad for goofing off with a release i had no prior experience with.
It’s a fun little challenge for sure isn’t it?
For rubber it still has a little bit of hook even on today's oil conditions.
That would be perfect at my main house in Omro, Wisconsin. Old, inconsistent beat up lanes with 60y/o machines. It's so insanely wet/dry there but it definitely makes you a better bowler
If it's insanely wet then this ball wouldn't work nearly as well. These rubber balls only respond to friction as Packy mentioned. Friction = dry parts of the lane.
@@Mista808 it's only soupy in the middle, while also being bone dry on the outside. I prefer to shoot the ball up ten or up five but I can hardly even do that with my plastic ball. That's what I mean
I'm guessing those 60 year old machines are A2's? Cuz those are tanks! Also, Wisconsinites unite!
@@frenchfrey65 And no automatic scoring machines either perhaps?
even the sound of that ball is Delicious
The comparison shots at the end are very telling specially with the urethane hooking the entire lane on THS LOL!!
Agreed without that part, the video wouldn’t make a ton of sense without seeing the comparison.
You got the perfect position and calculated the perfect hook to be ultra consistent pretty damn quick with the rubber.
Had a good warm up sesh!
“I don’t know if it will make it out of the car” 😆😆
so good to see Justin Romack again, i remember watching him in the late 90s and early 2000s
Did you put any surface on the ball? I loved my LT48
I have a AMF rubber bowling ball not sure how old but great spare ball for corner pins
threw first 300 with Black Beauty in mid 90s. several with plastic and urethane since. one reactive....like low stuff better.
Damn I was honestly thinking 190, I forgot it was Packy Heavyhand ripping on it!
Holy Moly! I was looking at that ball on ebay. Or at least something similar.
You said. 16# just hits different. No truer words have ever been spoken. Btw mineralite sounds like asbestos.
I throw 16 pounds and I find that 16 pounds hits and drives through the pins harder than a 15 or 14 pound ball.
Just proves has nothing to do with the ball it's the bowler why waist on 200 300 dollar balls rubber the way to go
Someone walked out of my bowling center sporting my 1960's AMFlite rubber ball, but I was using that for my corner pins because even plastic house balls were hooking in the oil for me. The only ball I had that ever went straight no matter how much hand and angle I used. I loved it. I miss it.
They should bring back the rubber ball and put a core in it. That would dominate short and dry patterns
If you throw it well/perfect 180. If you have small misses either 150 or 230 haha
230 is a great guess!
I started bowling in 1965 with a Manhattan Rubber as a preteen.
I used to use a Don Carter 2 for spares. Wasn't good for much else, but I did manage a 240 game in a scratch league with it, back when the house would oil once in the morning and whatever we got at the end of the night after a full day of traffic is what we had to deal with. Wouldn't wish that on anyone.
If you bowled the way the ball was made for, thumb hole. 185. 2 handed 217
I use a rubber black beauty and got a 279 front 9 9 spare strike in tenth all about finess lol
And I thought my Speed Demon from 1997 was old.
Am I wrong.?.?.? Or does Packy have the best bowling content on the net?
That lane has to be down to the bare surface outside 5
first you need to learn how to bowl then people might watch
The thing is, back then the game relies on skill and accuracy. Today skill and accuracy comes in a box and hefty price tag.
You bowled really good with that ball though, no question about that. But your skill is with today's condition and era.
Todays scores is all about the consistency of the pattern/machines/lanes. To say that todays pros isn't as accurate as be4 is just an excuse for something (whatever it may be).
Lol I found mine at Goodwill for 9 dollars, I'm gonna try it soon
I found a Manhattan Rubber at an estate sale and the looks I get when I pull that out during the 3rd game in league when everybody's urethane stuff is hooking at their feet is priceless lol.
Sanctioned 296 3rd game with custom LTD... shot is cliffed as fuck and got it a bit into the dry, 3-6-9-10...
16 pounds of Fury....damn rubber Cannon ball : )
Have you thrown any Rhinos from the late 80's, early 90's? The Teal Rhino Pro....awesome.
Greetings fellow Wichita bowlers.
I can see you throwing it on like cheetah or wolf if it responds to friction that well
Anything would hook with 2 fingers lol
Let’s see a one hander with it that can’t spin the crap out of it
16 pound of carry. Good job.💣
Wow that is some dry houseshot
You should look for super old wood lanes to see this ball in action
5 years ago, the Mechanic came out from the back and told me my rubber ball was illegal and couldn't be used any more. So are rubber balls illegal or not?
Did you resurface it? I'm curious to see how it'd roll at like 360 grit
"This ball does not hook..." (proceeds to peal it off the lip, lol)
When you say it dosent hook all I see is hook
Challenge Belmo to try the same!
I have a buddy that uses a damn rubber ball all the time… I’m going for a solid 190-200 guess
I keep a rubber ball in my bag for a spare ball or if the lanes are dry. Just shot a 257 on a dry Sunday shot. Just remember rubber likes to read and move early. They do like a 320 grit finish.
Now you’re making me wanna plug up my RotoGrip Roto Star Rubber now and roll it 😭😭
X-2, RC5, or what?
@@coopergates9680 THAT'S what I have somewhere in this house. Roto Star RC-5, lol shot a 267 with that in like 1990, LOL.
@@dontswin How does it roll compared to a Custom LTD or LT-48? Or even something like a yellow dot? Or haven't thrown it much?
@@coopergates9680 I never even touched those other balls you meant. The RC5 never really needed much effort to hook, and I do believe it was a symetric ball. You just had to lay it down right as I felt with a good follow thru. Believe me guy I was no expert.
@@dontswin You shot 267 with the RC5 on a THS or what? Did it roll somewhat early or had moderate length?
Pls take this ball to a tournament
when i first saw the thumbnail i thought it was talking about the person lol
Hahaha the ball!!
Your videos are by the most entertaining bowling videos on the internet. Even non bowlers can enjoy your videos, they are so relaxing to watch. In particular your videos with Mitch and Kevin Williams are a pleasure to watch. That ball could be useful; it should make an excellent spare ball on very dry conditions. Years ago I loved my Manhattan Rubbers. They roll better and hit harder than the Mineralite and AMF 3 dot. The green Manhattan Rubber believe it or not was harder than the black, and used for drier conditions. It did go straighter than the black one, but it hit like pud, even on very dry lanes. My first few balls were Black Beauties. I think that they reacted as well as Manhattan Rubbers. I finished in the top 4 in tryouts for the University of Nebraska bowling team in 1975 with the 3 dot, on fairly oily lanes with a long pattern, but the ball was awful. In 1978 I got an LT48 which was the softest or one of the softest rubber balls ever made I loved the way that it rolled, and my carry percentage was exceptional with it. I wish that I could have hit the pocket more often. Ernie Schlegel was fantastic with rubber balls on tough lane conditions. When I tried to throw the ball straighter, I called it Schlegeling the lanes, but I wasn't very good at it. You might prefer an original black Manhattan Rubber or a Black Beauty to your Mineralite.
It's nice that you have someone who's willing to drill that vintage ball. I've been to few pro shops to have my Brunswick Black Diamond redrilled but sadly they declined and said it's too smelly to drill and materials can get stuck to their drilling equipment. Blah blah blah. Oh well. It's alright. Fittings not bad thou. Im still able to use it.
It's nice that you have someone who's willing to drill that vintage ball. I've been to few pro shops to have my Brunswick Black Diamond redrilled but sadly they declined and said it's too smelly to drill and materials can get stuck to their drilling equipment. Blah blah blah.
I have two old fireballs from the 50s and I use them quite often. They were my grandparents balls
urethane shot was rather telling
I paused the video at 0:37 just after asking how much we think you'd score with this ball.
Because I doubt it'll get you anywhere near the hook that you're used to getting I think you'll
be lucky to throw anything higher than a 170. So with that said my guess is a 167.
4 shots in and I already realize I'm going to be way off. Unless of course you suddenly start
throwing 3 or 4 splits in a row that you're unable to pick up. With that said the line of this ball
surprisingly looks very close and reminds me of the Pitch Black. I'm sure the Pitch Black has
a little more hooking potential (I own one and know it can hook a great deal on dryer patterns)
but yeah.. I should've known better! Straighter is ALWAYS GREATER. Especially for Pro's with
dead on accuracy.
Maybe I'm an old geezer, completely out of touch, blah blah blah. But I loathe this two handed bowling nonsense I can barely stand to watch it.
You proved a great point its not the ball, its the bowler who makes the score happen.
That Spy with the core looks like it could be a nasty ball.
It would smell so bad I wouldn’t even want to throw it…burnt rubber 🤢
It is on short oil!
So after seeing that I gotta wonder what's the point of all these expensive new balls if your only bowling leauge on ths?
Most people get all caught up in the new technology and don't know how to adjust to lane conditions other than having 4, 5,6+ balls. I have 1 reactive ball that I use on both dry and wet lanes, just manipulate how I throw depending on lane conditions
It’s amazing how much difference one pound makes on how a bowling ball hits although some of the balls from back then where pushing almost 17lbs and I know at one point there was an 18lb ball my old house had one it was an old rubber ball, couldn’t bowl with it in league just open bowlers
I love your tribute to Smokey :)
You're partially correct with this statement. With a RUBBER BALL it makes a big difference from a 16 pound ball down to say a 14 pound ball.
However with the technology of today's bowling balls there's not much of a difference going from a 16 to a 14. This is why 90% of the Pro bowlers
of today are using 15 pound balls when just 20 years ago 99% of the them threw 16 pound equipment. Even the 14 pound balls of today are better
than the 16 pound balls from the past. I personally have two friends on my team that have both thrown perfect 300 games multiple times using 14
pound balls. They are indeed the reason why I may finally go down to 14 to pick up my ball speed a tad. 20 years ago I would've laughed in their face
and followed it up with something like "awww.. cute.. you're throwing a girls ball eh!?" I wouldn't have been caught dead with a 14 pound ball back in
the day but now it doesn't make much of a difference.
@@Mista808 14# would be better for 7-10s or other shite when you need to chuck it and bounce something out or do a deflection shot, or bowling on short oil so your break point is far out and heavier balls come in too hard.
I saw some negative comments on two handers. Is the two handed bowler distracting other bowlers? If not its ok 👍. Is the bowler breaking any league rules? If not its ok 👍. Showing poor sportsmanship? Then its ok 👍. The game evolves! The equipment doesnt matter too much with a so-so bowler, but with a great bowler the modern equipment could be worth 20 to 50 pins in a game! I grew up bowling in old houses with rubber balls. Saw many excellent bowlers using rubber. Not me though.....I always had trouble hitting my arrow 😢. No consistency.
Yeah those old bowling balls make the entire bowling alley smell terrible when getting drilled. lmao
It doesn't Hook? Crosses 40 to the 10 pin and doesn't hook??!!?? Tell you what, put some oil outside of 10 and put your thumb in it like a Man and see how much it hooks😵😵....Tell Justin Jerry Cullum says hi..one of the nicest guys back in the day and i'm sure still is!.
Ok I'm subscribing. Realised I had already watched and commented on this video. I then proceeded to watch entire video, again saying cmon man you couldn't 9 on last ball to get to my prediction of 245. Subscribing now
7:20 pardon my complete ignorance of everything bowling besides the basics, but why would someone need to bring 20 balls to a tournament? 2 to use and 18 backups? Or because the lanes can be different from place to place so you need some options?
Cool video btw, thanks
I cringe everytime someone would come into the shop with a rubber ball. Showing that ball plugged, brought back memories of the stench, and everything turning black while working on them . I was curious if the Mineralite left a black path on the lane when you threw it?
It’s the BOWLER not always the BALL 🎳 Peace 👋
I started to comment before I knew he was a lefty. Was going to say 200, but now say 245. LEFTIES DO IT RIGHT. (Edit: Come on man, couldn't get 9 that last ball for 45?)
4:03 positions under.
male bowlers know that feel
Try rubber on the 🐺 oil pattern.
If they only used rubber as a cover stock for some performance balls that would make things interesting especially with ball reaction.
Always use old Urethanes, I use a Ebonite FireBolt II and a Columbia 300 Vector 2. True Urethanes
Hey I found brunswick black beauty and the serial number is C3H728 does anyone know how old the ball is. Thanks