I think it's funny that hazbin Hotel for the longest time only had 91 million views but then after digital circus got popular more people wanted to check out hazbin Hotel.
It's a sign for change the industry refuses to help itself grow they put profits over creative and they're paying the price for it. The choices are either change or get left behind in the dust.
Creators can just pitch their ideas elsewhere anyway. Such as streaming platforms, and TH-cam. The latter, if they can get enough traction to fund their show via merch and crowdfunding.
I've actually been developing an idea for an animated series myself. I'm likely many years away from actually pitching it, but if this keeps up, I'm probably in good hands.
As someone with similar goals, I highly recommend the studiobinder TH-cam channel, theyve been a great help for me trying to understand the preproduction process which was something i was struggling with. Best of luck to you!
Well I’m working on a animated project myself I’m working on the script and some animation Than everything else I wish you all the best of luck with your ideas
As an animation student, I'm honestly planning to create my own animated series later on, with a whole lore, character development (or even a connected universe), etc. I'm still thinking about the basic pitch and genre of the series, but it's not guaranteed that everyone will like it, but I hope people will find my series interesting and great, with my own vision.
Ooh my goodness same. I'm currently working towards an art degree and working on a manga about magical girls. I'm hoping your series does well as well as mine!!
Of course not everyone will like it! As long as you're taking care of yourself I say just go for it and make what you want, don't worry about people not liking it ^^
The thing i like about Indie shows is how it doesn't feel like there a company controling the show and making changes to what the creator wanted in the the first place. Murder Drones is one that comes to mind
With hazbin hotel since that’s funded by companies I’m assuming they had some say in how the show was made compared to helluva boss and idk I think I actually liked some of the input they added. Like for example I definitely think they where told to tone down the swearing in the show. But some changes do also make it seem a little bit generic like other shows too. But it is interesting how when you compare the two series you’re able to see the impact indie vs allied has on the show.
I think the reason why indie is working so well is because the creators are getting censored alot less and have a chance to provide more. (Like episode amount) When going through a mainstream studio and such you get what they'll allow and that's that. Vivienne for example had originally wanted 22 episodes (21 or 22) for Hazbin Hotel but had to heavily squeeze that all into what we got. But for indie while it can still be limiting they still get more of a chance to tell a story
@@sugarcube7 100% Viv has stated that her goal for hazbin was to have 21 or 22 episodes but A24 isn't in charge of how many episodes they get, Prime is and the current standard for seasons in ip rn is 8-12 episodes. Atleast if she released it through TH-cam she could halt the season until she could release the new episode like what she does with Helluva Boss. But I get that she needed the revenue too.
@@qualityconcepts5762While it is noticeable, she had to shorten certain plot points, if she gets more seasons after season 2, we may see those aspects and side stories get developed more; like Vox and Al’s rivalry being panned out with more detail.
@@garrettviewegh9028 I hope so. I am hoping the overwhelming success shows Prime that the show can use more of a budget and lean that towards however many episodes the next season can have. Even 10-12 would help allt more than 8 honestly. But...I am not hopeful as they like to keep things short now.
Yeah because companies don't realize that people want creative freedom. They don't want set boundaries, or have executives meddling, or anything interfering with what they envisioned. They want creative freedom.
Regarding the importance of merch sales, remember when fans would get upset over a show getting cancelled or not getting picked up because of how the show lacked (or was never given the chance to have) toy sales? I guess we've all changed our minds about that, now that we've accepted that ad revenue isn't enough to pay for a good animated show on its own.
Animation is super expensive, so ad revenue will pay for maybe the episode and the staff, but the next episode? that's going to need more revenue from merch. Ads will only help AFTER the episode airs, but merch will help before and after each episode.
Thanks to TADC, It’s been giving me the motivation to create my own animated series with my own characters, world, and story. I’m hoping once I graduate college that I can create something that can inspire others and have a big impact.
If you ask me, I just think it's probably because it feels a lot more genuine. Like sure, there are a lot of good shows with heart made by really big studios, but the animations you find on TH-cam often start without a budget tied to it. It's made out of pure passion and it really, really shows.
Despite controversy with vivziepop, seeing animation like Helluva boss and the hazbin pilot on TH-cam gave me hope that you don’t have to belong to a big studio to make cartoons. Her style of character design, while not to everyone’s taste, is totally mine. And nothing else is like it on regular tv that just gets me excited. And now seeing other indie cartoons coming out, I’m just so happy for other artists and fans who love animation! More opportunities for work or try to push a pilot idea you’ve thought about. Whether or not it becomes a hit, seeing something you made on screen must feel incredible. Anyway for new ideas to come to life is great.
@@SuperKoMa-gir8L on vivziepop herself, she's had a little more than the standard content creator twitter drama on top of being pretty fragile to criticism on her shows, there's consistent problems with their writing like: >poor worldbuilding (this honestly could destroy the whole premise of Hazbin Hotel in particular; the 2 shows are just a regular city but in red; the team could've read up the Bible or at least Dante's Inferno if they're using Hell as a setting and theme) >tonal whiplash (mainly inserting jokes or gags on serious scenes that shouldn't have them, and sometimes even inserting dramatic elements in poor timing) >character development (the female characters are rather underwritten by various degrees, some characters develop off screen instead of being shown, etc.) >plot development and pacing (this impacts Hazbin Hotel a lot, most of the events and character introductions are rushed and wrapped up within minutes of the same episode) >and adult animation immaturity (sex joke sex joke fuck fuck fuck shit shit shit; there's that "if it's written by viveziepop" meme that encapsulates this problem in a nutshell) the art style itself is quite fine, although it verges on being overdesigned, but i''d take the 2 show's artstyles over the simplified bs rampant on 2010s Cartoon Network
I agree that indie animation has been taking off. Honestly I love it. It gives many creators chances to grow here on the platform. And it goes to show that indie animated shows are becoming super popular
Indie animation hasn’t dethroned corporate animation is what I’ll call it. It’s just much ahead of the game and is doing significantly better then corporate. But I think this is perfect, those companies need a big slap in the face so it can be recognized, that they can’t keep doing what they’re doing and be successful. We gotta keep making noise. We gotta keep fighting for this change.
No one watches TV anymore and I'm pretty sure streaming viewership isn't as high as cable. Most people watch TH-cam in higher numbers than any other streaming service anyways.
I'm so glad that isn't the case anymore. So many people are being creative and showing big studios that creativity is starting to be more important than a big studio name. It amazes me how far indie animations have gotten
Newgrounds: *Am I a joke to you?* Or how about the European demoscenes of the 80s & 90s? Those guys were doing indie animation before the term "indie animation" was even coined!
Homestar runner was the first successful indie animation if you think about it, they even got their own game and crossovered with tf2, same thing for BFDI and Eddsworld
I think indie animation is the eye opener that mainstream needs. Because of their willingness to adapt and mold to not only the their own desires but the AUDIENCE’s desires is where they start to set themselves apart. As you’ve mentioned it being easily accessible helps a TON, not only to get views but spread their story. Original plots and worlds are getting harder and harder to come by so when one comes up, it’s deeply appreciated I sincerely hope mainstream starts to take a hint and create some watchable stories once more
I hope the Independent scene does send a message to mainstream that people still want animation and want a lot more from it. Also hoping people with a lot more disposable income can help support the Indie Animation space as well to be much more supportable.
No? People make fanart and original art for free all the time, they always have. Of COURSE people will still make independent animations even if our corporate overlords weren't total shitheads!
It's like how the Spiderverses set a new standard for superhero movies. Y'know, because the people making it are actually passionate and not just greedy.
The only issue with indie, though this is much more on the creator side than the audience side, is that getting to a point of success is just as hard, if not harder, than through studios. Hazbin Hotel, Lackadaisy, Murder Drones, and TADC all have one thing in common: they were all promoted by the TH-cam algorithm, which can be more random than the lottery at times. For every indie show that found success, there are dozens others that failed and never became popular. Not saying studios are a better route because of this, but it’s kind of crazy how the first 48 hours of your pilot’s release likely determines if your show is going to end with that one episode, or run for multiple seasons!
At the same time tho that just comes with the turf of building a successful TH-cam channel. You have to keep posting enough and keep building momentum until your channel is more widely known.
Let’s not forget the fact that it’s a lot easier to find indie animation that you can tell has passion poured into it. You can tell that everyone that worked on it truly loved the project that they were working on. That passion goes a long way to up the quality of animation.
Before I start the video I think the main reason why indie is doing better is just the care. We have these talented people making, creating, and Advertising!!!! their work by themselves or with small studios. Big Name Corporations and Studios do and have made many great animated shows, but they treat them like garbage. Like we have seen so many great shows with potential get cancel or shorter and even worst disappear off and removed from the companies platforms even if they had a large fanbase. They see animation as a niche market that doesn't make money(which i think is false) they don't advertise their animated shows well and still expect the shows to get a large audience. We've seen so many shows get canceled and not renewed even when studios tell the creators they are getting another season. I can name like five cancelled shows that were popular or good and everyone can name dozens more that got the same treatment. Inside Job, Close Enough, Final Space, Owl House(Was not cancelled but cut so damn short), Dead End: Paranormal Park. Why get invested in something that likely is going to be a one and done. With indie creators have more freedom to do what they want. People can make what they want to make and not have to fear being cancelled even if they have big audience. And its just a breath of fresh creative air.
In the end, people, fans, fandom, and animators resorting to creating spiritual successor to Inside Job, Close Enough, Final Space, Owl House, Dead End: Paranormal Park just like any indie video game developers.
like him or hate him, awestruck vox knows his stuff. I adore videos like this on that animation industry. As someone who wants to make a cartoon one day in the future it’s always nice to hear about the state of the industry in present time.
Would you consider doing a indepth catalog of all indie animation/pilots on YT? I have a running tally myself, but someone with your platform could breath new life into some smaller or older projects. ADC and the Hazbin-verse are important, but some projects don't get as much love. Obituary and Cool Times are really worth watching. Do your part, spread the love, share your favorite part of the art gallery.
thank you, i feel like no one talks about monkey wrench. Its amazing and it straight up feels like what i would see on TV, you kinda forget its in indie project.
We should have a Pomni balloon made for the next Macy's Thanksgiving Parade to not only represents The Amazing Digital Circus but to all indie animation
I love that finally, people are just making the stuff they love- and getting rewarded for it. THESE are the shows that people remember. I’ve been working on characters and worlds of my own for years, and this success does make me incredibly excited for the future! Been having a blast working on my game and its animations, and I can’t wait to show it off some time :)
I'd argue the indie scene is exploding in several areas, specifically video games. Everyday it feels like 'Newest AAA $70 Is bad' but then 'free game just dropped suddenly is one of the best of the year' corporations and execs have destroyed mainstream entertainment.
I’ve been lucky enough to voice in indie animations and video games regularly and you’d be surprised how good some of them are! Even some of the unknown / less popular ones have really great stories and banger animation styles, if you find the right one. From what I’ve seen, we’re going to be getting more indie shows on TikTok as well
I believe both can exists problem is studios prioritize money over a good story and don’t believe that animation is for everyone! Not just kids some of my all time favorite stories come from animation it’s a dream to tell such amazing stories I hope Indie animation is a wake up call to big companies though I doubt it
Thank you SO much for the Ollie & Scoops exposure in this video! It helps a ton and means a lot to me. No pressure but if you ever want to spotlight O&S in someway I'm happy to give you my time to chat or whatever you'd need. Thanks again for your O&S support, it's very kind of you!!
The only reason why Indie is winning is because most of them are giving off the same energy that the mainstream studios use to have. Before all the ececutives stared meddling (DISNEY!) Playing favorites and going canel crazy (NETFLIX!!) or just commiting straight up crimes (ZASLAV and WBD!!!!!!) Honestly the mainstream should really be using this age of Indi animation as walk up call to change their tudes.
I would say that Indi-animation is popping off for a couple reasons, and same for anime, I think one of the main reasons is they have completely different animation styles, you wouldn't compare One Punch Man and One Piece, the main thing they have in common is they're both anime
"Indi-animation" sounds Indian animation instead of indie animation, but indie animation in India I could see being better than mainstream Indian animation.
Thank you so much for hammering in Monkey Wrench and the attention it needs. It's no joke my favorite thing I watched throughout 2023 and I want to see it continue. The Monkey Wrench team is also one that has been so real about how much goes into making an indie animation. Cannot recommend it enough.
1:47; may I recommend Blue Eye Samurai? It's an R-rated original animated series on Netflix that handles some pretty dark subjects really well, and it's done well enough that Netflix actually renewed the series for a second season. The show's creators also have plans to create at least 3-4 seasons of the show as well, so I actually have high hopes for the future of that show.
I mean he ain't wrong Hazbin hotel Helluva boss The amazing digital circus Murder drones Skibidi toilet Lackadaisy .B.F.D.I. Honestly I agree some of the NEW shows that have came out recently has really only been indie animation/decendence of indie animation
The thing about indie animation is that, much like many literatures, they are expressions of the authors' minds. When most shows these days seem to follow a strict formula, it can dull one's enjoyment of a production, and when a work can be allowed to be expressed as the author intended, one can easily enjoy it beyond it being a hype of the month or whatever. Think any film by Jordan Peele; oddities in the horror world, but much more enjoyable when thought of from an allegorical angle.
I have my own idea for an indie animated series, yet I can't draw to save myself and I only have a less-than-moderate imagination. It's a fantasy/dramedy/slice-of-life with plenty of lore. Well, here you go: *"Midnight Private Eyes"* _Synopsis-_ The series follows Valerie “Val” Park settling into her new apartment after graduating private detective school and ready for what comes next. What comes as a surprise to Val is that her rotund roommate is a vampire. The vampire, Cassius von Lovus-Shwarzius, is a mocking representation to his race, having replaced his taste for blood in favour of pizza and developed a tolerance to sunlight over the centuries. Strapped on cash after centuries of freeloading, Cassius reluctantly agrees to let Valerie turn their apartment into a detective agency for the supernatural creatures and cryptic entities seeking assistance when the sun sets on Toronto.
Ooh I didn't expect to see my animation show up! (The Earth Guy) Thank you so much for featuring! Speaking from my own experience, going indie and doing everything by myself is very hard, but definitely worth it. I'm excited to see so much original and creative ideas being brought to life by indie artists! Keep it coming! ❤
I’m happy that indie animation shows are created. They have waaaay better plots than most modern shows on Modern Nickelodeon and Modern Cartoon Network.
As an animator who has an indie animated series as well and is a part of the community, that means a lot. Lots of incredible and creative work out there!
I will never get over with the treatment of TOH, Inside Job and Infinity Train got... I still love those shows but... damn, it still hurts to watch back. At this point, everything I can ask for those shows is books or whatever even though I doubt TOH will get anything at all in the future. To be honest, nothing in mainstream interests me when I know that the show I get interested will get done dirty by the studios like Molly and probably Moon Girl where I doubt it will get a S3. I guess the only thing I'm looking forward from Indie animation stuff is Murder Drones but I don't want to forget the shows I enjoyed from mainstream media that got dirty either
I loved your thumbnail of Owl House, Regular Show and Amazing World of Gumball were horrified that shows like Helluva Boss, Digital Circus and a few other Internet shows are getting lots of likes and fans. Proves that these three shows are constantly screwed over by corporate greed from companies like Disney and Warner Discovery, while Indie Cartoons aren’t tied down by corporate meddling that either ruins or cancels them.
Personally the only flaw i can find in indie animation is the lack of dubbing in other languages, which prevents accessibility sometimes because despite being free, not everyone may understand english and you'd have to pray that others make a good fandub. And even then, you'd have to wait a long ass time for them to come out (which ok, it's also a problem with cable and streaming, but i think indie suffers a lot more from this). Two exemples I can think of right now about the lack of dubbing (at least in my language, Italian) are the more unknown ones and Disventure Camp (which is a show based off of Total Drama, but ends up being more of its own thing. More similar to real reality shows, such as Survivor instead of having cartoonishly extreme challenges). The latter has an italian fandub sure, but up to the forth episode of season 1, while in English and Spanish (which are both the official dub by the studio Odd Nation Cartoons) is already on the forth of season 3
Honestly when I look back on shows like Ed Edd n Eddy, OK KO, Regular Show, Chowder, I really hope that not all new animation will be serious With serious plots and maybe a little humor on the way. I really hope we can still have those good slice-of-life animations we all loved as kids
Yeah, I always preferred episodic series too even in anime, which is more rare. Like how as a tween I enjoyed Adventure Time more early on before they started plot dropping. I can understand why people prefer the latter though, just a preference.
@@SaltySeaStellaI'm with you there. Some of my favorite shows of all time were heavily episodic. You just can't beat classic Tom and Jerry and Looney Tunes.
Speaking of projects, there's this upcoming adult indie animated pilot called "Roswell". It's about 3 friends who live in Roswell, NM (the site of the 1947 UFO incident). Josh, the main character, recently lost his grandfather (the eyewitness to the said incident), and he's not only grieving his loss, but also trying to prove to everyone that he wasn't crazy, and that aliens and UFOs are real. At the same time, strange things are happening in his town, and it's up to Josh and his two best friends to figure out what's going on. The TH-cam channel's name is "Polaris Media".
I love animation, but from what I’ve seen, most adult animation still doesn’t feel adult. It Just feels the same as kids animation just with blood and cursing. I feel as if their needs to be more animated series out their like that. ❤🎉😢❤❤
Besides the material not being as constrained as something published by one of the bigger media companies (Disney's amazing series The Owl House got season 3 cut down for... Reasons?), indie works are also more easily transmitted to people through the internet rather than being stuck on cable or paid streaming services. I don't have to buy a Netflix subscription for Helluva Boss, I can just go to TH-cam. So can millions of other people. That matters a lot.
We are Cartoon Indie Television! We are looking to find some indie animated shows and pilots for posting on our program! Saddly and apologize, we can't create or make our Cartoon Indie Television original series.
I’ve been trying to create an indie animation series and I have this massive vision for it but it is very hard to make especially by myself so anyone who dose produce indie animation I admire them
Short answer all the big networks keep shutting down big animation projects in favor of cheaper projects like teen titans go, so people who have wanted to do their own projects without a Hollywood executive controlling what they can and cant do so they do it themselves and it sells
I have been developing my own cartoon show for the past eight years of my life and I want to finally make it and right now I’m working on a pilot by myself. I don’t know how to make it out there, publicly. And to copyright it, so nobody can steal it. But my dreams are bright to create a beautiful show.
I'm rooting for you, hopefully the same can happen to me as well as I've been working on mine for about four years so from one person to another saying good luck out there
What's funny about Glitch Productions is the same people run SMG4, a parody channel that started out making bloopers for Super Mario 64 which soon evolved into a comedy series about Mario interacting with popular games, mainly Nintendo games, to its own universe with unique characters. In fact, it was SMG4 that introduced me to Meta Runner which was my gateway to Indie Animation. Saberspark also introduced me to some of these shows.
Its amazing how TH-cam has better shows than 90% of the stuff on streaming services. Im always finding good stuff even parody videos like a Mario Kart anime made by Mashed or Nintendo High which feels like a comic dub over a legit cartoon but still
I do agree Indie shows regardless of it is an Animated or Live Action series is definitely taking over and I might want to Join in as I having doubt leaving my home state on the east coast and joining entertainment companies in LA for a multiple reasons such as the fear of getting my show cancelled and/or cut short by the higher ups.
I'm very fascinated with the concept of extremely variable episode run times. I think it's mainly influenced from Aeon Flux, where I could easily see a 60 second episode where she finds something interesting and then dies immediately, or a 40 minute heavy story episode existing within the same show.
No disrespect to animation I love it as much as the next person but now I kind of wish I want to see a Good ORIGINAL Live Action G-Rated Fantasy movie with Big Action and Stunning VFX (that's not a Disney style Remake) and it's Story feels like a Top-Tier Pixar or DreamWorks Movie.
4:31 On that video they mentioned they were gonna do a video about how cartoons nowadays feel the need to shoehorn comedy in, I'm still waiting on that, it's a topic that feels specially more important with every year that goes by
The best thing about indie animation in my opinion is that, unlike big companies who always cling to old ass IPs and don’t try to innovate, they are not afraid to create new things or experiment or try new fresh ideas.
You know Lackadaisy is based on an existing IP you know that? Also a quick question, have you even seen any existing IP stuff that are actually good? Like Dune Part Two. And also, Inside out 2 that is coming out this year.
The jumpscare i got when i saw rise of the tmnt in this video lmao. I love rottmnt so much but they really did put it on the highest shelf so no one could watch it even though its such a well written and aniamted tv show which was overlooked
When Vox was listing off art directors, I felt insulted he didn’t mention one of the greats, the late Derrick J. Wyatt. You know, the guy whose art style was immediately recognizable in shows like Transformers Animated, Ben 10 Omniverse, or that one show that starred multiple characters from DC Comics that became so popular that people are still trying to get CN to make a season 6?
I had been thinking of this in a while: indie animation could also mean that there can be more animation done in countries that just don't have much in general in terms of animation, such as Zimbabwe, Faroe Islands, Bosnia, Portugal, Andorra, Malta, Ghana, Luxembourg, etc.
It’s always cool when theses indie animators release something that you can guy and have to basically flex on yourself like “I like that animated show and now I have something that makes me feel connected to the show, makes me feel like a fan, and makes me feel like I’m supporting something I enjoy.”
Corporations when they realize letting actual passionate people create series causes more engagement: 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
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@@SebsistButReal I know right! What a mind blower! I’m bamboozled! Flabbergasted! Discombobulated! 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
@@JuicyBurger29 Absolutely shooblebootled!!! 🤯🤯🤯
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I think it's funny that hazbin Hotel for the longest time only had 91 million views but then after digital circus got popular more people wanted to check out hazbin Hotel.
@ButtCheekNiggAGaming All three of them are good
@ButtCheekNiggAGaming i wouldnt trust the opinion of someone with that name lmao
dam that name is intressting@ButtCheekNiggAGaming
@ButtCheekNiggAGaming You were only held when your parents needed a new football, weren't you?
I personally think it's because it appeals to all demographics. Helluva boss is mostly for edgy teens and adults
It's a sign for change the industry
refuses to help itself grow they put profits over creative and they're paying the price for it. The choices are either change or get left behind in the dust.
The companies WILL get left behind in the dust. There is no turning back.
@@ExtremeWreck Perhaps the looming Animation Guild strike this summer will force the companies to change.
If the Animation Guild ends up going on strike this summer, the big companies will be forced to listen.
@@elijahabrams8242 I doubt that. There's likely not gonna be any turning back anytime soon.
Creators can just pitch their ideas elsewhere anyway. Such as streaming platforms, and TH-cam. The latter, if they can get enough traction to fund their show via merch and crowdfunding.
This here is why animation is for everyone around the world. Kids, teenagers, and adults can watch animation and can enjoy it while it lasts!
Remember what Del Toro said. “Animation is cinema”.
I've actually been developing an idea for an animated series myself. I'm likely many years away from actually pitching it, but if this keeps up, I'm probably in good hands.
I wish you the best of luck!
As someone with similar goals, I highly recommend the studiobinder TH-cam channel, theyve been a great help for me trying to understand the preproduction process which was something i was struggling with. Best of luck to you!
Yo! same I have ideas for my own series but one day we'll both get there at some point! 😂
Well I’m working on a animated project myself I’m working on the script and some animation Than everything else I wish you all the best of luck with your ideas
Same
As an animation student, I'm honestly planning to create my own animated series later on, with a whole lore, character development (or even a connected universe), etc. I'm still thinking about the basic pitch and genre of the series, but it's not guaranteed that everyone will like it, but I hope people will find my series interesting and great, with my own vision.
If one day you need help. I would be happy to help you ^^ ! This motivation is what drive indie animations and allow to have wonderful stories.
Ooh my goodness same. I'm currently working towards an art degree and working on a manga about magical girls. I'm hoping your series does well as well as mine!!
Id love to help out with the project if you need help
@@mo0nflowersartcheck out Gushing over Magical girls
Of course not everyone will like it! As long as you're taking care of yourself I say just go for it and make what you want, don't worry about people not liking it ^^
The thing i like about Indie shows is how it doesn't feel like there a company controling the show and making changes to what the creator wanted in the the first place. Murder Drones is one that comes to mind
I agree, also I love Murder Drones.
@@hcanimation4102 Same its amazing show
With hazbin hotel since that’s funded by companies I’m assuming they had some say in how the show was made compared to helluva boss and idk I think I actually liked some of the input they added. Like for example I definitely think they where told to tone down the swearing in the show. But some changes do also make it seem a little bit generic like other shows too.
But it is interesting how when you compare the two series you’re able to see the impact indie vs allied has on the show.
@@felixowen2693 That is true
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This literally gives new meaning to “slow and steady wins the race” because we take our time and don’t worry about profit too much
I think the reason why indie is working so well is because the creators are getting censored alot less and have a chance to provide more. (Like episode amount)
When going through a mainstream studio and such you get what they'll allow and that's that.
Vivienne for example had originally wanted 22 episodes (21 or 22) for Hazbin Hotel but had to heavily squeeze that all into what we got.
But for indie while it can still be limiting they still get more of a chance to tell a story
Is that true? Cause if it is, then that would explain why hazbin hotel was rushed.
@@sugarcube7 100% Viv has stated that her goal for hazbin was to have 21 or 22 episodes but A24 isn't in charge of how many episodes they get, Prime is and the current standard for seasons in ip rn is 8-12 episodes.
Atleast if she released it through TH-cam she could halt the season until she could release the new episode like what she does with Helluva Boss. But I get that she needed the revenue too.
@@qualityconcepts5762While it is noticeable, she had to shorten certain plot points, if she gets more seasons after season 2, we may see those aspects and side stories get developed more; like Vox and Al’s rivalry being panned out with more detail.
@@garrettviewegh9028 I hope so. I am hoping the overwhelming success shows Prime that the show can use more of a budget and lean that towards however many episodes the next season can have. Even 10-12 would help allt more than 8 honestly. But...I am not hopeful as they like to keep things short now.
tbh Medrano needs a writing consultant or two more than anything.
Who knew:
Greedy company = bad
Original ideas and hardwork= good
Yeah because companies don't realize that people want creative freedom. They don't want set boundaries, or have executives meddling, or anything interfering with what they envisioned. They want creative freedom.
the greedy company's don't
happened since gaming/music, is now happening to animation, will soon happen to hollywood
No company interfering with pandering to an invisible audience is a good reason
You're literally an all-seeing eye and even you can't see them fr fr. 😭
Regarding the importance of merch sales, remember when fans would get upset over a show getting cancelled or not getting picked up because of how the show lacked (or was never given the chance to have) toy sales? I guess we've all changed our minds about that, now that we've accepted that ad revenue isn't enough to pay for a good animated show on its own.
And the inverse of this, shows ONLY getting picked up because of their merchandising potential like Ben 10 (Not hating, that show still mostly slaps)
@@JustTheJames That's actually kinda how The Renaissance Age of Animation got its start.
Animation is super expensive, so ad revenue will pay for maybe the episode and the staff, but the next episode? that's going to need more revenue from merch. Ads will only help AFTER the episode airs, but merch will help before and after each episode.
It remind me of Adventure Time - show was made cleary for teens and younger adults. And CN made merch for kids...
Thanks to TADC, It’s been giving me the motivation to create my own animated series with my own characters, world, and story. I’m hoping once I graduate college that I can create something that can inspire others and have a big impact.
In that case then I'll subscribe to you plus your videos look oddly familiar 🤔
me too
If you ask me, I just think it's probably because it feels a lot more genuine. Like sure, there are a lot of good shows with heart made by really big studios, but the animations you find on TH-cam often start without a budget tied to it. It's made out of pure passion and it really, really shows.
Despite controversy with vivziepop, seeing animation like Helluva boss and the hazbin pilot on TH-cam gave me hope that you don’t have to belong to a big studio to make cartoons. Her style of character design, while not to everyone’s taste, is totally mine. And nothing else is like it on regular tv that just gets me excited.
And now seeing other indie cartoons coming out, I’m just so happy for other artists and fans who love animation! More opportunities for work or try to push a pilot idea you’ve thought about. Whether or not it becomes a hit, seeing something you made on screen must feel incredible. Anyway for new ideas to come to life is great.
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Wait, what controversy?
@@SuperKoMa-gir8L on vivziepop herself, she's had a little more than the standard content creator twitter drama on top of being pretty fragile to criticism
on her shows, there's consistent problems with their writing like:
>poor worldbuilding (this honestly could destroy the whole premise of Hazbin Hotel in particular; the 2 shows are just a regular city but in red; the team could've read up the Bible or at least Dante's Inferno if they're using Hell as a setting and theme)
>tonal whiplash (mainly inserting jokes or gags on serious scenes that shouldn't have them, and sometimes even inserting dramatic elements in poor timing)
>character development (the female characters are rather underwritten by various degrees, some characters develop off screen instead of being shown, etc.)
>plot development and pacing (this impacts Hazbin Hotel a lot, most of the events and character introductions are rushed and wrapped up within minutes of the same episode)
>and adult animation immaturity (sex joke sex joke fuck fuck fuck shit shit shit; there's that "if it's written by viveziepop" meme that encapsulates this problem in a nutshell)
the art style itself is quite fine, although it verges on being overdesigned, but i''d take the 2 show's artstyles over the simplified bs rampant on 2010s Cartoon Network
Appreciate the shout out, guys! (Shrike on a cereal box would be... terrifying lol)
I think one reason indie animation is winning is because several mainstream cartoon runners are trying to chase trends or just do bad decisions
RIP Akira Toriyama 🙏🙏🙏🙏
May God rest him in peace.
RIP to the legend
Rest in power Akira toriyama your legacy won't be forgotten any time soon
And Janice Burgess...
WHAT?!
I agree that indie animation has been taking off. Honestly I love it. It gives many creators chances to grow here on the platform. And it goes to show that indie animated shows are becoming super popular
Indie animation hasn’t dethroned corporate animation is what I’ll call it. It’s just much ahead of the game and is doing significantly better then corporate.
But I think this is perfect, those companies need a big slap in the face so it can be recognized, that they can’t keep doing what they’re doing and be successful.
We gotta keep making noise.
We gotta keep fighting for this change.
No one watches TV anymore and I'm pretty sure streaming viewership isn't as high as cable. Most people watch TH-cam in higher numbers than any other streaming service anyways.
do you guys remember when Indie Animations were actually once rare to find?
I'm so glad that isn't the case anymore. So many people are being creative and showing big studios that creativity is starting to be more important than a big studio name. It amazes me how far indie animations have gotten
me
Newgrounds: *Am I a joke to you?*
Or how about the European demoscenes of the 80s & 90s? Those guys were doing indie animation before the term "indie animation" was even coined!
Yeah no one speaks Abt meta runners
Homestar runner was the first successful indie animation if you think about it, they even got their own game and crossovered with tf2, same thing for BFDI and Eddsworld
FOR REAL!!! I feel as if in terms of indie animation in a video essay, almost NOBODY talks about the greatness that is Homestar Runner
"indie animation" only really means 2010s-now anyway
I think indie animation is the eye opener that mainstream needs. Because of their willingness to adapt and mold to not only the their own desires but the AUDIENCE’s desires is where they start to set themselves apart.
As you’ve mentioned it being easily accessible helps a TON, not only to get views but spread their story. Original plots and worlds are getting harder and harder to come by so when one comes up, it’s deeply appreciated
I sincerely hope mainstream starts to take a hint and create some watchable stories once more
I hope the Independent scene does send a message to mainstream that people still want animation and want a lot more from it. Also hoping people with a lot more disposable income can help support the Indie Animation space as well to be much more supportable.
If executives and higher ups weren't so evil there never be indie stuff.
No? People make fanart and original art for free all the time, they always have. Of COURSE people will still make independent animations even if our corporate overlords weren't total shitheads!
People probably *will* make indie stuff, I think the shows we have now would feel like indie with a bigger budget tho
@@mostlyimpulsive3462 I think they mean that there would be less need for it.
It's like how the Spiderverses set a new standard for superhero movies.
Y'know, because the people making it are actually passionate and not just greedy.
I’m super excited that The Amazing Digital Circus will be a full series.
Hugo's Mind Palace creator here! Thank you so much for the mention!
Keep up the excellent work! It's really inspiring!
I've been on Monkey Wrench since day one and it's been great.
Monkey Wrench definitely needs more love, it’s so good.
The only issue with indie, though this is much more on the creator side than the audience side, is that getting to a point of success is just as hard, if not harder, than through studios. Hazbin Hotel, Lackadaisy, Murder Drones, and TADC all have one thing in common: they were all promoted by the TH-cam algorithm, which can be more random than the lottery at times. For every indie show that found success, there are dozens others that failed and never became popular. Not saying studios are a better route because of this, but it’s kind of crazy how the first 48 hours of your pilot’s release likely determines if your show is going to end with that one episode, or run for multiple seasons!
Man I really miss Epithet erased. It had a good first season I wonder why it didnt get a second
At the same time tho that just comes with the turf of building a successful TH-cam channel. You have to keep posting enough and keep building momentum until your channel is more widely known.
Need more animation-exclusive streaming service!
Owl house was my favorite cartoon I watched in a long time. I also love Hilda it was an amazing show.
Let’s not forget the fact that it’s a lot easier to find indie animation that you can tell has passion poured into it. You can tell that everyone that worked on it truly loved the project that they were working on. That passion goes a long way to up the quality of animation.
First Indie game devs beating corporations in quality and now indie animators. TADC was such a phenomenal.
Before I start the video I think the main reason why indie is doing better is just the care. We have these talented people making, creating, and Advertising!!!! their work by themselves or with small studios. Big Name Corporations and Studios do and have made many great animated shows, but they treat them like garbage. Like we have seen so many great shows with potential get cancel or shorter and even worst disappear off and removed from the companies platforms even if they had a large fanbase. They see animation as a niche market that doesn't make money(which i think is false) they don't advertise their animated shows well and still expect the shows to get a large audience. We've seen so many shows get canceled and not renewed even when studios tell the creators they are getting another season. I can name like five cancelled shows that were popular or good and everyone can name dozens more that got the same treatment. Inside Job, Close Enough, Final Space, Owl House(Was not cancelled but cut so damn short), Dead End: Paranormal Park. Why get invested in something that likely is going to be a one and done. With indie creators have more freedom to do what they want. People can make what they want to make and not have to fear being cancelled even if they have big audience. And its just a breath of fresh creative air.
In the end, people, fans, fandom, and animators resorting to creating spiritual successor to Inside Job, Close Enough, Final Space, Owl House, Dead End: Paranormal Park just like any indie video game developers.
like him or hate him, awestruck vox knows his stuff. I adore videos like this on that animation industry.
As someone who wants to make a cartoon one day in the future it’s always nice to hear about the state of the industry in present time.
Would you consider doing a indepth catalog of all indie animation/pilots on YT? I have a running tally myself, but someone with your platform could breath new life into some smaller or older projects.
ADC and the Hazbin-verse are important, but some projects don't get as much love. Obituary and Cool Times are really worth watching.
Do your part, spread the love, share your favorite part of the art gallery.
I saw a frame from inside job and was saddened. It was a great show and Netflix cancelled it mid-production of season 2
thank you, i feel like no one talks about monkey wrench. Its amazing and it straight up feels like what i would see on TV, you kinda forget its in indie project.
We should have a Pomni balloon made for the next Macy's Thanksgiving Parade to not only represents The Amazing Digital Circus but to all indie animation
i don’t think you know how that works
I love that finally, people are just making the stuff they love- and getting rewarded for it. THESE are the shows that people remember.
I’ve been working on characters and worlds of my own for years, and this success does make me incredibly excited for the future!
Been having a blast working on my game and its animations, and I can’t wait to show it off some time :)
Really appreciate the huge amount of variety in the clips shown throughout the video.
I'd argue the indie scene is exploding in several areas, specifically video games. Everyday it feels like 'Newest AAA $70 Is bad' but then 'free game just dropped suddenly is one of the best of the year' corporations and execs have destroyed mainstream entertainment.
I'm glad the smaller groups are starting to become more popular than the mainstream animation names 😊
I’ve been lucky enough to voice in indie animations and video games regularly and you’d be surprised how good some of them are! Even some of the unknown / less popular ones have really great stories and banger animation styles, if you find the right one. From what I’ve seen, we’re going to be getting more indie shows on TikTok as well
I believe both can exists problem is studios prioritize money over a good story and don’t believe that animation is for everyone! Not just kids some of my all time favorite stories come from animation it’s a dream to tell such amazing stories I hope Indie animation is a wake up call to big companies though I doubt it
Thank you SO much for the Ollie & Scoops exposure in this video! It helps a ton and means a lot to me. No pressure but if you ever want to spotlight O&S in someway I'm happy to give you my time to chat or whatever you'd need. Thanks again for your O&S support, it's very kind of you!!
Amazon Prime has a good thing. I hope they don't blow it by being greedy
The only reason why Indie is winning is because most of them are giving off the same energy that the mainstream studios use to have.
Before all the ececutives stared meddling (DISNEY!) Playing favorites and going canel crazy (NETFLIX!!) or just commiting straight up crimes (ZASLAV and WBD!!!!!!)
Honestly the mainstream should really be using this age of Indi animation as walk up call to change their tudes.
I would say that Indi-animation is popping off for a couple reasons, and same for anime, I think one of the main reasons is they have completely different animation styles, you wouldn't compare One Punch Man and One Piece, the main thing they have in common is they're both anime
"Indi-animation" sounds Indian animation instead of indie animation, but indie animation in India I could see being better than mainstream Indian animation.
Thank you so much for hammering in Monkey Wrench and the attention it needs. It's no joke my favorite thing I watched throughout 2023 and I want to see it continue. The Monkey Wrench team is also one that has been so real about how much goes into making an indie animation. Cannot recommend it enough.
Your son getting nervous watching Phineas and Ferb because he's worried their gonna get busted is so funny.
INDIE ANIMATION FOREVER!!!
Yeah. I just watched the new episode of Animatic Battle yesterday.
Indie and Tv can live in harmony.
@@kronost06True
@@kronost06exactly
Indie and Mainstream can live in harmony.
1:47; may I recommend Blue Eye Samurai? It's an R-rated original animated series on Netflix that handles some pretty dark subjects really well, and it's done well enough that Netflix actually renewed the series for a second season. The show's creators also have plans to create at least 3-4 seasons of the show as well, so I actually have high hopes for the future of that show.
02:51 OMG SOMEONE FINALLY TALKED ABOUT BRIDGE KIDS!
glad to see someone else talking about the beauty that is Monkey Wrench
I think that animation is for everyone
I mean he ain't wrong
Hazbin hotel
Helluva boss
The amazing digital circus
Murder drones
Skibidi toilet
Lackadaisy
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Honestly I agree some of the NEW shows that have came out recently has really only been indie animation/decendence of indie animation
Imagine if in like 20 years, indie animation gets replaced by something new too
Karma, baby!
The thing about indie animation is that, much like many literatures, they are expressions of the authors' minds. When most shows these days seem to follow a strict formula, it can dull one's enjoyment of a production, and when a work can be allowed to be expressed as the author intended, one can easily enjoy it beyond it being a hype of the month or whatever. Think any film by Jordan Peele; oddities in the horror world, but much more enjoyable when thought of from an allegorical angle.
I have my own idea for an indie animated series, yet I can't draw to save myself and I only have a less-than-moderate imagination. It's a fantasy/dramedy/slice-of-life with plenty of lore. Well, here you go:
*"Midnight Private Eyes"*
_Synopsis-_ The series follows Valerie “Val” Park settling into her new apartment after graduating private detective school and ready for what comes next. What comes as a surprise to Val is that her rotund roommate is a vampire. The vampire, Cassius von Lovus-Shwarzius, is a mocking representation to his race, having replaced his taste for blood in favour of pizza and developed a tolerance to sunlight over the centuries. Strapped on cash after centuries of freeloading, Cassius reluctantly agrees to let Valerie turn their apartment into a detective agency for the supernatural creatures and cryptic entities seeking assistance when the sun sets on Toronto.
Ooh I didn't expect to see my animation show up! (The Earth Guy) Thank you so much for featuring! Speaking from my own experience, going indie and doing everything by myself is very hard, but definitely worth it. I'm excited to see so much original and creative ideas being brought to life by indie artists! Keep it coming! ❤
Once mainstream animation goes extinct, imagine every TV show and movie from every mainstream animation studio being sold to indie people.
Imagine the amount of forgotten and cancelled shows coming back...
@@snobey I hope they're all in the public domain
I love your references to 2010 and 2000s your avatar. The last Airbender reference is perfect. Keep it up.
I’m happy that indie animation shows are created. They have waaaay better plots than most modern shows on Modern Nickelodeon and Modern Cartoon Network.
As an animator who has an indie animated series as well and is a part of the community, that means a lot. Lots of incredible and creative work out there!
Indie Animation is so cool as much as Mainstream Animated Series. TADC Rocks! Also, Monkey Wrench. Nice footage of Lumi and the great big galaxy!
Not just animation it's indie everything
I will never get over with the treatment of TOH, Inside Job and Infinity Train got...
I still love those shows but... damn, it still hurts to watch back. At this point, everything I can ask for those shows is books or whatever even though I doubt TOH will get anything at all in the future.
To be honest, nothing in mainstream interests me when I know that the show I get interested will get done dirty by the studios like Molly and probably Moon Girl where I doubt it will get a S3.
I guess the only thing I'm looking forward from Indie animation stuff is Murder Drones but I don't want to forget the shows I enjoyed from mainstream media that got dirty either
Because Indie animation has the heart and care that mainstream animation has lost
I think what I love most about indie animation is the freedom that amazing creators can have.
I loved your thumbnail of Owl House, Regular Show and Amazing World of Gumball were horrified that shows like Helluva Boss, Digital Circus and a few other Internet shows are getting lots of likes and fans. Proves that these three shows are constantly screwed over by corporate greed from companies like Disney and Warner Discovery, while Indie Cartoons aren’t tied down by corporate meddling that either ruins or cancels them.
Personally the only flaw i can find in indie animation is the lack of dubbing in other languages, which prevents accessibility sometimes because despite being free, not everyone may understand english and you'd have to pray that others make a good fandub. And even then, you'd have to wait a long ass time for them to come out (which ok, it's also a problem with cable and streaming, but i think indie suffers a lot more from this). Two exemples I can think of right now about the lack of dubbing (at least in my language, Italian) are the more unknown ones and Disventure Camp (which is a show based off of Total Drama, but ends up being more of its own thing. More similar to real reality shows, such as Survivor instead of having cartoonishly extreme challenges). The latter has an italian fandub sure, but up to the forth episode of season 1, while in English and Spanish (which are both the official dub by the studio Odd Nation Cartoons) is already on the forth of season 3
@D2KJ Lucky. GLITCH doesn't have official italian dubs sadly
I miss cable TV
In regards to the filter, a show that really comes to mind is Murder Drones. Because holy hell, someone hold me I'm scared... But also intrigued.
Honestly when I look back on shows like Ed Edd n Eddy, OK KO, Regular Show, Chowder, I really hope that not all new animation will be serious With serious plots and maybe a little humor on the way. I really hope we can still have those good slice-of-life animations we all loved as kids
Yeah, I always preferred episodic series too even in anime, which is more rare. Like how as a tween I enjoyed Adventure Time more early on before they started plot dropping. I can understand why people prefer the latter though, just a preference.
I watched regular show in 2010 at 7 years old.
@@dwainsimmons3447 dude idk if that’s a good or bad thing lmao. I feel like that show would really fuck someone up at that age
@@SaltySeaStellaI'm with you there. Some of my favorite shows of all time were heavily episodic.
You just can't beat classic Tom and Jerry and Looney Tunes.
I'm glad port by the sea is in the thumbnail, you should watching
Who knew greedy companies rehashing popular shows would turn out to be a bad idea
Not just full-on shows either. Channels like Doobus Goobus and Wrath Club still make great one-offs, keeping the Newgrounds spirit alive.
Speaking of projects, there's this upcoming adult indie animated pilot called "Roswell". It's about 3 friends who live in Roswell, NM (the site of the 1947 UFO incident). Josh, the main character, recently lost his grandfather (the eyewitness to the said incident), and he's not only grieving his loss, but also trying to prove to everyone that he wasn't crazy, and that aliens and UFOs are real. At the same time, strange things are happening in his town, and it's up to Josh and his two best friends to figure out what's going on.
The TH-cam channel's name is "Polaris Media".
I love animation, but from what I’ve seen, most adult animation still doesn’t feel adult. It Just feels the same as kids animation just with blood and cursing. I feel as if their needs to be more animated series out their like that. ❤🎉😢❤❤
Thank you for saying that.
@@ARStudios2000 thanks for commenting. I’m just wondering when we are going to get the animated show that rivals something like Breaking Bad
Besides the material not being as constrained as something published by one of the bigger media companies (Disney's amazing series The Owl House got season 3 cut down for... Reasons?), indie works are also more easily transmitted to people through the internet rather than being stuck on cable or paid streaming services.
I don't have to buy a Netflix subscription for Helluva Boss, I can just go to TH-cam. So can millions of other people. That matters a lot.
We need a spiritual successor of The Owl House or they violently riot!
I still find it sad that murder drones was overshadowed by TADC
SO happy to see port by the sea rn
Same here, I only just found it today and I clicked so fast when I saw it in the thumbnail of this vid
Seen it as soon as it came out and got exited when its in the tumbnail
Love your content guys 😊😊😊❤❤
I still think it's a hippopotamus
We are Cartoon Indie Television! We are looking to find some indie animated shows and pilots for posting on our program! Saddly and apologize, we can't create or make our Cartoon Indie Television original series.
I’ve been trying to create an indie animation series and I have this massive vision for it but it is very hard to make especially by myself so anyone who dose produce indie animation I admire them
Short answer all the big networks keep shutting down big animation projects in favor of cheaper projects like teen titans go, so people who have wanted to do their own projects without a Hollywood executive controlling what they can and cant do so they do it themselves and it sells
I have been developing my own cartoon show for the past eight years of my life and I want to finally make it and right now I’m working on a pilot by myself. I don’t know how to make it out there, publicly. And to copyright it, so nobody can steal it. But my dreams are bright to create a beautiful show.
I'm rooting for you, hopefully the same can happen to me as well as I've been working on mine for about four years so from one person to another saying good luck out there
@@pussinbootsoverweightcousin Thank you, I appreciate that.
I hope your show comes to light one day as well. Everyone deserves to shine one day.
Good luck to the both of you and everyone who wants to create their animated shows
What's funny about Glitch Productions is the same people run SMG4, a parody channel that started out making bloopers for Super Mario 64 which soon evolved into a comedy series about Mario interacting with popular games, mainly Nintendo games, to its own universe with unique characters. In fact, it was SMG4 that introduced me to Meta Runner which was my gateway to Indie Animation. Saberspark also introduced me to some of these shows.
Its amazing how TH-cam has better shows than 90% of the stuff on streaming services. Im always finding good stuff even parody videos like a Mario Kart anime made by Mashed or Nintendo High which feels like a comic dub over a legit cartoon but still
I do agree Indie shows regardless of it is an Animated or Live Action series is definitely taking over and I might want to Join in as I having doubt leaving my home state on the east coast and joining entertainment companies in LA for a multiple reasons such as the fear of getting my show cancelled and/or cut short by the higher ups.
I'm very fascinated with the concept of extremely variable episode run times. I think it's mainly influenced from Aeon Flux, where I could easily see a 60 second episode where she finds something interesting and then dies immediately, or a 40 minute heavy story episode existing within the same show.
No disrespect to animation I love it as much as the next person but now I kind of wish I want to see a Good ORIGINAL Live Action G-Rated Fantasy movie with Big Action and Stunning VFX (that's not a Disney style Remake) and it's Story feels like a Top-Tier Pixar or DreamWorks Movie.
So. I watched Monkey Wrench. YOU WERE RIGHT WHY DOESN’T IT HAVE MORE VIEWS
4:31 On that video they mentioned they were gonna do a video about how cartoons nowadays feel the need to shoehorn comedy in, I'm still waiting on that, it's a topic that feels specially more important with every year that goes by
The best thing about indie animation in my opinion is that, unlike big companies who always cling to old ass IPs and don’t try to innovate, they are not afraid to create new things or experiment or try new fresh ideas.
You know Lackadaisy is based on an existing IP you know that? Also a quick question, have you even seen any existing IP stuff that are actually good? Like Dune Part Two. And also, Inside out 2 that is coming out this year.
The jumpscare i got when i saw rise of the tmnt in this video lmao. I love rottmnt so much but they really did put it on the highest shelf so no one could watch it even though its such a well written and aniamted tv show which was overlooked
Indie has freedom to create. Censorship and money killed tv.
When Vox was listing off art directors, I felt insulted he didn’t mention one of the greats, the late Derrick J. Wyatt. You know, the guy whose art style was immediately recognizable in shows like Transformers Animated, Ben 10 Omniverse, or that one show that starred multiple characters from DC Comics that became so popular that people are still trying to get CN to make a season 6?
I had been thinking of this in a while: indie animation could also mean that there can be more animation done in countries that just don't have much in general in terms of animation, such as Zimbabwe, Faroe Islands, Bosnia, Portugal, Andorra, Malta, Ghana, Luxembourg, etc.
It’s always cool when theses indie animators release something that you can guy and have to basically flex on yourself like “I like that animated show and now I have something that makes me feel connected to the show, makes me feel like a fan, and makes me feel like I’m supporting something I enjoy.”