Kiraly 43M: Hungary's Overpowered Submachine Gun
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- The 43M submachine gun was developed by Pal Kiraly, based on the MKMO and MKPS series of submachine guns he had worked on for SIG in Switzerland before returning to Hungary (we would go on to make the San Cristobal carbines for the Dominican Republic after WW2). The initial version of the gun was the 1939 39M, with a 3” longer barrel and fixed buttstock. This was adopted by the Hungarian military, but only ordered in small numbers (about 600), which led the FEG factory to delay production until they could get enough other orders to economically justify tooling up. That finally happened in 1942, and in the meantime Kiraly and the factory had nearly finished the improved and shortened 43M version.
Ultimately about 13,000 39M SMGs were made from 1942 to 1944, and about 5,000 43M SMGs in 1944. At that point Allied bombing ended production, and the tooling was eventually confiscated during Russian occupation of Hungary.
Mechanically the 43M (and 39M) are lever-delayed blowback actions, firing the 9x25mm Mauser Export cartridge - the most powerful submachine gun cartridge in use at the time. The 43M stock feels very flimsy and uncomfortable, and it folds under the action of the gun. In addition, the 40-round magazine folds forward into the stock (much like the SIG MK series guns) to make it a much more compact gun to transport. Note that the 39M and 43M use different magazines!
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Some explanation/translation:
-the Z=zárt which means closed
-the E=egyes which means single
-the S=sorozat which means sequence, full auto
The hungarian designation works like this:
-number is the year of putting to service
-M=minta which means (in this case) sample or model
-everything else is further description of the weapon (for example D=desszant-desant/paratrooper)
did you just use the word witch as in a witch that casts spells improperly, 4 times? lol
Was about to write the same, thank you though!
Wich*
Thanks, Z gave me a puzzle. Köszi!
"Put it in H!"
As a Hungarian, I found this very interesting, I learned a lot from our old weapon. cool channel!
Thanks!
me too (im Hungarian too)
Ez a világ leggyönyörűbb géppisztolya az tuti. 🇭🇺🇭🇺
(hi duffywolves et al !!) not hungarian (alaskan?), but also found this more interesting than the average WWII subbie. just a little different mechanically, plus the political/historical information was really fun. thanks ian, and hello to all firearms enthusiasts!!!
Another description about this SMG (in Hungarian only).
th-cam.com/video/kKa7LatGIEM/w-d-xo.html
"When your favourite gun is MP5 but you love ww2 guns as well"
Tomek Inn More like a UMP45.
@@tlshortyshorty5810 The UMP45 seems like the opposite direction, a larger but slower round. These are higher velocity.
bruh make the gun black then people can mistakenly recognise that as a MP5
What a weird thing to love... You love war... obviously never been in a gun fight in your life.
@@ih7168 have you?
Anyone: Hey Király, are you building an SMG, an Assault Rifle, a Battle Rifle or a Semi Auto Rifle?
Kiraly: *YES*
Just for correction, his name was "Király", means king.
Just if it wasn't directly wrote like this.
@@zeusz3237 lol, kral in Turkish means king too
Btw corrected it now
@@bruensal7182 Old hungarian : "kiral" (volkssprechen).
Türki 1400-1500-1600 years in Hungary invasion and agression! So wie "Sowiet" am 1945-1990. 😢
@@yencehungarian you have to use proper english if you want to have a real conversation. Stop opening your mouth, just so shit can flow out, but speak properly
@@bruensal7182 I dont speak english, sorry.
And türki auch nicht. ☝️
*"Oh crap, there's like, a big war, and we're gunna need a lot of guns."*
Hungary was adamant on staying the hell out of it. Then the germans side we either attack yugoslavia, who we just got done signing a cooperation agreement with, or they invade. Populus was wildly anty semitic, and nazism was popular, but not on power. The prime minister ended up commiting suicide, and his predecessor decided to jump off the slippery slope, steamroll Yugoslavia, engineer a false attack on a civilian target, then completley unnecessearly declare war on all the Allied nations.
@Ego Alter bro that is not entirely true... we were ready to jump into the war to get back our monarchial territories ripped from us
Confusion in translation did you say big gun and a lot of war?
@@vicePVic Which didn't work out of course.
Gotta say though, I think joining the Axis was inevitable, maybe I just want to think it wasn't completely voluntary, but I don't know.
We were in a pretty shitty position nontheless, from the west the nazis and from the east the commies, sooner or later one of them would've trampeled through us, and in the end both did.
@@Lajos_Kelemen Well, at least you weren't alone with this sort of situation.
My country have so few firearms, which are worth mentioning, so im really glad you have decided to make this video. Thank you!
right, I meant like that :)
right, I meant like that :)
Atleast you have made your own tanks,
Estonia is not able to, we have made our own guns tho.
Everybody has a cool gun at some point or another, AMD rifles are still pretty neat!
Mert kurva Labancok nem hagyták.Mikor megcsinálták a FÉG-et 1890 körül abba is bevették őket meg a németeket az vot az első hogy egyből becsődöltették a céget. Így második nekifutásra 100% állami tulajdonnal az állam indította újra, na így lett egyáltalán fegyvergyárunk 1864 után....Előtte meg 150 évig védtük a seggüket a töröktől de muszáj volt import Labanc fegyverekkel csinálni, nehogy a Császár haszna megszűnjön...
the potential candidate list for "the very first assault rifle" just keeps expanding.
SMG Pistol Cartridge or scaled up pistol cartridge
Assault Rifle scaled down Rifle Cartridge
Battle Rifle same as Assault Rifle but with full Size Rifle Cartridge
PDW Rifle Cartridge scaled down to the Size of a Pistol Cartridge (and also the most useless shit ever)
So no it's not a "First Assault Rifle" candidate there is only one first assault Rifle the Mkb 42
PDW cartridges are extremely useful. The standard SMGs do not have the necessary capabilities to penetrate body armor. The PDW cartridges have this attribute and can be used in compact sized weapons. (P90, MP7)
***** I know what they are supposed to do but they don't have the stopping Power of a pistol round which is heavier
That's why basically everybody is still using the MP 5 despite the PDW concept beeing developed in the 80s and the P90 beeing available for already 25 Years and the MP 7 for 15
If your target has body armor you're fucked with the MP5. P90 is widely used anyway, just not adopted because germans are salty.
***** First of all Germany wasn't salty they wanted to sell guns, Weapons are a buisness and HK wouldn't Profit from FN selling P90's
But yes the MP 7 round is a little bit weaker (380ft/lb vs ~350ft/lb) both defeat the Crisat standard at over 200m tho
Secondly if i HAD to chose a PDW Cartridge it would be the 6x35mm from Knights Armament which has roughly double the amount of Energy than the P90 round (380ft/lb vs 850ft/lb)
That is in my opinion the best compromise of PDW Penetration and SMG/Carbine stopping Power at the Moment
BUT the Problem with the KAC PDW is there exists no Pistol with the same Cartridge which is in my opinion the only benefit of the P90/Five-Seven (besides the 50 Round Magazine of the P90)
Just love the way Ian makes sure to give us "metric" folks (almost the whole world) our due - that's why an Indian in Cambodia is in love with your vids!
What does it matter that most of the world uses one system over the other? The vast majority of the English-speaking world (the large majority of his audience) is familiar with both, and imperial units simply make more sense for day-to-day use. Metric is better for extremely precise measurements but it's just as arbitrary as any other measurement system.
I have read somewhere that it was intended to look like an normal battle rifle, because soviet snipers took out the guys with the submachineguns first. This could be the reason for the bulkiness and the folding magazine.
the designer worked at sig who created a very similar gun to this with similar features and the the designer (király) also based it off the Italian model 38 which is also very similar in looks and features.
mvaczulin that actually makes a lot of sense. Ive never tought of it.
Considering the Soviets made a flamethrower that they attempted to make look like a normal backpack and Mosin rifle, that's interesting.
I dont think this makes much sense. I dont think snipers were very aware of who had which gun, and even if they did they wouldn't be picking who to shoot first. Plus, that doesn't solve any problems for the army, if there are no submachine gunners, the snipers would just shoot the next person.
@@pedrojioia I agree, it doesnt make sense. Even if they shot the guy with the submachine gun, someone else would just pick it up.
I'm Hungarian and didn't even heard about this weapon, thank you for this great vid. Very informative. Would be nice to see a video about any generation of the "Gepárd" anti material rifle as well. That's a great weapon, also Hungarian made 🙂
Same here :)
That gun looks fucking awesome. I mean overengineered as hell especially with WW2 looming but it seems to fit a perfect role for the M1 Carbine - a modern PDW style gun. Except its also an SMG, but with slightly more range. I genuinely believe if either of the two major sides fielded this gun exclusively they would have done far better than the Enfield or the Kar98. Outdated as soon as intermediate cartridges came in and whilst it would have done well with the M1 Carbine cartridge its still a short lived life, but for pre-WW2 it looks absolutely amazing. the overengineered folding mechanism looks great for things like tankers, artillery, as well as Commandos and Paras, though I doubt you could really argue for its inclusion when the STEN didn't even bother with left or right hand guard/grip.
Olivia Lambert You seem to forget; Lee Enfield and Mauser rifles are still in service today, many other firearms of a similar age are not. They were not outdated at all, a skilled rifleman could fire quickly and accurately, at ranges at which a sub-caliber firearm could not manage, using 7.92/.303 bolt action rifles (look up the "mad minute" if you need proof). The intermediate cartridge never really had the stopping power of a 7.92 or a .303 and therefore lacked range, if either coalition of WWII used the 43M exclusively then the other side would simply have used marksmen/snipers/sharpshooters to win the war. Wars are not just about technology, they are about the combination of different classes of weapon and their application. And besides; Lee Enfield no 5 "jungle carbines" were issued to paratroopers after the war along with STEN guns.
Actually the folding mechanism was invented for the paras. The original 39M version has only the foldable magazine to disguise the user as a rifleman.
The Király gun was used even after the war for a few years till the political reason didn't win and the entire army was served with Soviet weapons
Olivia Lambert,,,,, There are a lot of things that the Sten gun "didn't bother with"! Like a freakin safety! They were notorious for emptying the entire magazine if dropped, or even bumped!
"Drop your weapons!"
Dude drops his Sten and it fires an entire magazine killing everyone in the room!
That thing has to be near the top of the list of worst weapons ever fielded by a major military. P
Mike Benko
A T-34's combat life expectancy was about three weeks, with at most six months of operational use period. It was made for numbers more than it was for actually being useful. 30 T-34s against say, twelve Panzers suddenly gives the Germans a problem
and its armor, and its pretty decent speed for a heavy tank
The folding magazine most important job was to hide officers from the enemy snipers.
Smg's were mostly used by officers or high ranked soldiers so snipers can easily detect them by the long straight magazine.
However if you fold the magazine, this weapon kinda looks like a rifle and if i remember correctly there are variations of this smg with rifle stock.
I like the idea of 9x25. Like a 38 super magnum.
So much potential in unusual cartridges like this if they were charged in the right modern firearm.
Yes, it was praised by my granddad serving on the Eastern Front...
One of my great grandfathers went to the Don river and a párt of his foot was frozen off
The other one got injured, he made it home, got well and didnt want to go to war, so he would hide in the house, and my great grandmother would tell the people who came for him, that he is not there.
The reason 2nd story is longer, is because i personally know the house and used to know my great grandmother (she died in 2013 she was 94 years old, but still did everything like a 20 year old)
Btw i am Hungarian for those who dont understand my profile name
@@Murgablodazor69 Cool
S for "Sorozat tüzelés" (automatic fire) E for "Egyes tüzelés" (semi automatic or single shot) Z for "Zár" (safety or closed) in hungarian :) THX for the video it was a plesaure to watch as a Hungarian :)
I'm very thankful that you have bothered to translate units to metric system too. Keep up great work!
edit:''I very--'' --> ''I'm very--''
how adorable, you actually documented what you edited.
I'm always nodding when he says these pretending I have any idea what these numbers really represent.
wood1155 why is it cringy? its cringy talking about grains.
wood1155 Ok but why grams? That is quite oddly specific.
Not to say I don't have similar feelings about some imperial units. I get inches, feet, and even grains to some extent, but friggin footpounds grind my gears... Energy value is something you wont ever need outside of science and engineering, so the fact someone uses feet to measure it is just so irritating :D
Grains / Grams are the mass of the bullet, feet / second and meters / second are its velocity. You could calculate the energy from that or just look at some common rounds and use them for comparison. Like modern 9mm NATO rounds are typically 115-grain and something like 1,180 ft/s. The round for this gun is a bit heavier at 128-grain and a bit faster 1475 ft/s. So it hits harder than the comparison round.
Nagyon király
Badum tsss
Látom vannak még itt magyarok
Utállak.. xd
@@norbertvarga1210 ???
@@norbertvarga1210 engem mindenki utál :,(
( csak vicc)
That's a neat little kit. I like the design, it almost feels like the predecessor to the tacti-cool movement with the compact folding design.
What an elegant way of making it delay. I really like the bolt system on this gun.
This is a very rare weapon even in Hungary. I am a hungarian and had some friends who are WW II. reenactors, they never ever seen a Király. You pronounce it like "keerai".
Ly is pronounced without y, or somi am topd as i do not speak magyar
It'd be a real sticky situation if you ever happened across this gun and didn't know that S on the safety didn't stand for safe.....
But a Hungarian would never miss it. :-) Safety is Biztonság in Hungarian.
Although I could be wrong, I think Hungary had weapon production restrictions put on them from WW1 that limited their armament capabilities, so that may be why the government "hesitated" on the gun order.
By 39 we were building medium tanks and high performance fightercraft, so I dont think they worried too mutch about the restrictions at that point.
"medium tanks" yeah, awful light tanks
In light of the fact that no armour was permitted by the peace treaty at all, I believe my point stands.
hmmm! The Tas was one of the best tanks in ww2
Correction. Would have been had it actually been produced. The prototypes got bombed.
Isn't another bonus of the lever delayed system that it is an out of battery safety? Since the heavy part of the bolt needs to move forward for it to protrude. Really clever setup.
That's a handsome looking SMG with all that wood.
My country made few guns to be worth mentioning, but this was really significant. Not only did it make us independent from the Germans by means of smg production, it gave our soldiers a lot of firepower. Interesting fact is that the folding magazine was not only for ease of transportation, but for a much less talked-about reason too. When a soviet sniper was observing our troops from cover, they would shoot the officers, and the fact is, that our officers carried automatic firearms, as opposed to the regular soldier, carrying a rifle. The folding magazine was fixed to firing position only when firing, so when an officer was moving around in a trench per say, the 43M looked like a rifle, so the sniper would not recognize him as easily, and would not shoot him
Yes, you messed up his surname a bit, the last two letters, "ly" is the letter "j", we hungarians use both "ly" and "j" as the letter "j", you pronounce that letter as the letter "y" in a word like.. "yes".. Király actually means King.
Note on the M letters after the numbers, 43M means 43-as Mintájú(Pattern 43).
Te is agyar vagy? :D
*m
Weirdly, I knew that because of how sportscasters used to pronounce the name of Karch Kiraly, the volleyball player.
Nem, én egy szovjet kém vagyok akit megtanítottak magyarul, de nem mondták el, hogy a hidegháborúnak és a Szovjetuniónak vége. Persze, hogy magyar vagyok.
IAmNotMatthew köszönöm szépen ezt a roppant furfangos ám lényegre törő választ
Guns are a really fascinating topic of engineering to study, you get so much accomplished with just a clever arrangement of springs and levers.
Like an unholy (not always bad) marriage between a famas and an arse-about M1 carbine 😀 I LIKE it! Outstanding video as ever Ian. You have some of the highest production standards on TH-cam as far as I am aware.
holy crap this thing was pretty ahead of its time
3:53 it sounds like they were procrastinating a bit
DW19945211444 As someone who comes from a Hungarian family I can confirm this to be true.
Azért mondjuk megnéztem volna Lenint ha Szovjet -Orosz országból mondjuk úgy kell neki menni a II Vh-ba, hogy 1918-ban mondjuk megmarad az ural környéke a fekete tengerig, meg Moszkva....Mi meg végig galoppoztunk két gazdasági válságot egyet 19 után egyet meg 31-33 között, mire odaért a fekete csütörtök az USA-ból...Horthy már épp a nyugdíj rendszert építette ki.
Ezek szerint jobb lett volna ha ő is a világforradalomra hajt...
As others mentioned we were bound by Treaty of Trianon to not weaponise and there was not much fighting in Hungary up to 1944. In 1942-43 200k soldiers went to fight the Russians which would explain the sudden need too.
I'm curious about this magazine release, it might be quick to reload using your thumb to push forward. I would love to get one between my hands to test the feeling of it. Then again, I'm French, and the French are known for their unusual, quirky gun designs
Admittedly it's a clever design.
I can totally see this in "transport mode" folded under a trenchcoat. and if you flip the 40 magaine in place it is a hell of a firepower.
I like the mag release on that gun, seems appropriate for a military weapon. Hard to accidentally bump on something. Stock looks rather uncomfortable, but the wood inlay makes up for it haha! Interesting delay system as well. Overall, seems like quite a nifty little gun. Thanks, Ian!
That's an extremely cool bolt.
very interesting submachine gun. 9x25 Mauser export sounds like the OG 10mm to me.
I like the simplicity of the Bolt-mechanics. Even under worst considerable conditions that one should be easy to maintain and even more easy to field repair.
Iv never clicked on a video so fast in my life
*Thank you for posting all of your videos. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!!!*
thank you for this video grats from hungary i m happy that other people also interested in our history keep do this wonders
The accelerator lever makes the back mass of the assembly inertially 'heavier', temporarily. Just enough to cause a the desired delay. Small problem = there's still slow/grinding case vs chamber movement during high pressure, which is not great for very high pressure rounds. (which is why the FAMAS needed fluting, also why other similarly flawed rifled mechanisms needed lubricated ammo).
I think this design firearm more or less accidentally jagged what would have been the ideal design for an infantry weapon in retrospect : Small rounds, just super sonic, but individually light and perfectly effective out to 200 m, where most fighting was anyway. Them being 'large pistol rounds' rather than todays 'small bottlenecked rifled rounds' is irrelevant to the time with the absence of body armor which might have defeated the former but not the latter (as today).
This things' real flaw is its size and weight. But I bet was both plenty effective, and easy to shoot, as well as very quick to tactically reload.
It looks to me as if the tilting mag release may also act as a 'opening' mag well 'flare', and being easy enough to trip with the fresh magazine you intend to immediately fit. That it fires from an open bolt also means as soon as the mag is fitted, you're back 'in'.
such a beautiful weapon... the woodwork is incredible
Pretty cool how you can fold the magazine along with the stock if you want to.
Makes for easy storage.
I would modify the folding stock so it wasn't so awkward.
Thank you! Greetings from Hungary! :)
Don't think I could handle night shift without Gun Jesus's TH-cam channel
never see or hear of this WW 2 gem . love it . got that look of ... ya we are about to party thing of AXIS weapons of WW 2 . gratzz to Hungary's gun maker Kiraly .great post ty
Damn 3,6kg aint that bad, just looking at it i expected it to weight 5kg+
It's weapons like this is why i like this channel.
Very interesting design.
Thy for the video didnt know that we had such remarkable engineers back then in firearm construction.
I just watched a 24 minute infoTedTalkamercial because I love you Ian. I hope you're happy.
thanks for "translate" the weights ect 👌
Martin dettling "Converting" is the word you were looking for.
This gun is definitely among the top of my list of guns I'd like to try.
Kinda looks conceptually similar to an M3 carbine, only much heavier.
For those who have never heard of the 9mm Mauser export, it's original vehicle was the C96 pistol giving a 1st generation semiauto pistol .357 magnum performance. BTW US ammo makers loaded a 125gr softpoint at 1400 fps for it pre ww1
Safety selector mode letter meaning:
Z - Zár - Closed / Safe
E - Egy - One (shot)
S - Sorozat - Burst
S-Sorozat-Full auto
Love this look at a truly unique gun, thanks!
As a hungarian, I have tried to read as many info about this SMG as I can (hard to find infos in certain topics, because the soviets destroyed many documents....), so the reason of the folding stock magazine is mainly:
The serbian communist partisans were mainly targeted those german or hungarian soldiers, who were on duty with SMG-s (to loot their stuff), but this one was tricky, because it more likely looked to a rifle than a submachinegun.
még egy hülye!
@Johnson Adam ha behajtod a tárat, a fegyvert nem lehet elsütni!!!!! a behajtható tár a svájciaktól/ SIG / ered és onnan koppintották az olaszok és mi is! azért találták ki, mert így be lehet rögzíteni a fegyvert a karabélyoknak kialakított tárolóhelyekre és gyorsabban tűzkésszé lehet tenni, mintha kivennék a tárat!ennyi!
@Johnson Adam mert azt írja, hogy azért találták ki a behajtható tárat, hogy a szerb partizánok ne ismerhessék fel a tiszteket!!!
@Johnson Adam a licenszdíjat meg már úgyis kifizettük a M31 golyószóróért, úgye!!! Te nem tudom milyen náció vagy, de mielőtt gyalázkodni kezdessz, tanulj meg angolul és olvass visszább!!!!!!
Magyar vagyok.Im Hungary. Szép videó.Nice video
By they way, really good pronounciation of the designer's name, not butchered at all. (no Onder thugh, Ian's French pronounciation is excellent too.)
Usually i don't consider sub machine guns with big wooden parts to be pretty,
This however has really neat looking proportions
So forgotten I already forgot such SMG existed, even though I watched the video already
I like that folding stock, it seems to make a lot of sense, strong way to keep it folded.
This is a really beautiful looking gun.
My first thought was," Somebody had a loong night of drinking, and slapped an MP4o into a M1 Carbine stock, & front barrel, 'cause they needed a gun RIGHT NOW!" Then I thought, maybe it's where Ruger came up with the PC9 Carbine idea.
'Possibilities'.
He actually offered the prototype to the British but they considered it to complicated for mass production! I believe BSA made a few for trials.
A folding magazine well... it's beautiful.
Aside from the magazine release, I like pretty much everything about this gun's design.
Big thank you for this video!!! And yes , you butchered Király Pál's name but it is forgiven... :-)
it was my birthday, when u uploaded this vid. I want this
That is a fairly elegant setup. I would have liked to see how the selector worked though.
3.6 KG Not great not terrible :D
The bolt system is ingenious!
Really like the folding magazine and overall how everything fits so nicely together. I wonder how it shoots
It is the only MG with a folding magazine I had ever seen. For 1939 was a revolutionary design !
French MAT-49 had a folding magazine. Wonder if this mg influenced the French design.
“So, there’s your bayonet on your submachine gun” sounds like an ultimate “I don’t give a flying fuck as long as they pay me”
I really hope this ends up in Battlefield V!
lol
I wonder how much a weapon like this would have changed some conflicts if it had been adopted by a major power. Although it is less powerful than an assault rifle it still has similar power to a .357 magnum or .30 carbine which are awesome for realistic combat distance
could someone give an opinion on whether the following would work as blowback delay systems, and if not, why.
One would be based on a guide rod for the return spring going forward from the bolt and above the barrel, through a block into which the barrel was mounted. the spring would be beyond the block, above the barrel. There would be a small vent in front of the chamber, releasing gasses into a cylinder drilled into the barrel mounting block. the cylinder would have the depth and diameter equal to the diameter of a metal ball sitting in it, serving as the piston. The guide rod would have a semi spherical indentation which lined up with the cylinder and ball/piston when the bolt closed. This means a thicker guide rod, but it's mass can be balanced against that of the bolt. the gasses from the fired cartridge would push the ball into the indentation, forcing the bolt to defeat the pressure of the gasses before it could cycle back. basically a gas operated roller delay, but easier to manufacture than either of the standard systems.
the other system starts similar. the guide rod goes forward, and there is a vent in the barrel. this time the vent is in front of the barrel mount and has a cylindrical piston in it. the piston is anchored into and held down by a circular spring (a flat spring wrapped around the barrel) the spring is forced to open slightly at the bottom of the barrel when the cylinder is forced up against it by the gasses. the top of the spring locks into the cut out in the guide rod. the guide rod, and with it the bolt, can't cycle back until the spring overcomes the gas pressure and closes down again, which would mean a pretty low extraction pressure, allowing perhaps even full rifle cartridge.
I was basically wondering, could the underground forces that produced submachine guns during the war use the same level of production/materials/tooling, just in a different configuration, to make something heavier. or some other flight of alternative history, like Polish army mass-armed with light machine guns or even assault rifles built on the cheap just in time for 1939.
Neeeerd.
Looks like a wooden mp5
How effective it would be as a substitute assault rifle?
Rik Raptor
If i recall correctly, the 9x25mm mauser had a velocity somewhere around 450 m/s , which is much lower than most assult rifle cartridges which are at least 700m/s. This would have made it less versatile overall, although its more than enough for urban combat.
I imagine it would be a lot like the M2 carbine.
Its about 30% more energetic and probably has slightly better ballistics.
AK grandfather: STG 44
Mp5 grandfather:
This is one fine looking gun, I wish some WWII games like BFV or something would add them once (I say BFV just because it has a bunch of forgotten weapons in it)
Holly crap, I thought Ian was just farther back from the gun and that's why it looked big
Is this somewhat like the M2 Carbine? A high powered pistol round firing automatic carbine?
You have something weaker than the M2 Carbine.But stronger than the
usual 9 mm submachine guns.So it's basically an intermediate weapon with
strong pistol ammunition.It's supposed to be used as a submachine gun mainly,and not as a carbine.
Ok, that's what I was wondering. So its the AR/AK divide again.
Ian, I want your job! I spent too much time with back issues of AR when I was going to college, didn't seem to retain much of my college experience but that. Maybe because it was just a review. My ball turret gunner of an uncle kept me supplied with AR when I was young.
'Pal Kiraly' his first name is so chill
great work!
Azért ha szitu van, tudunk brillírozni. Az a bökő az... brutális xD
"bökő" :D
az a "bökő" a 39M fatusás géppisztolyhoz lett rendszeresítve, ezen csak rajtamaradt a rögzítő!!!
This thing looks pretty cool
That us a huge SMG. Very pretty though. I like the woodwork.
This gun shares a name with both me, and Hungary's famous goalkeeper. Dude said it mostly how my family says it in Australia, but I've heard the proper pronunciation is more like "Kee-rai." It means king :)
This is one gun I wish Ian could test fire.
Köszönöm neked ezt a videót!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When will you do one on tsingtao mp18? Those are really rare
Nice, i wouldn't mind owning something as unique as this.
That folding magazine is pretty neat
you showed that bolt face on there you see that made with a 9 mm for the AR platform like that pretty neat because it has to have a delayed blowback so you can use it and semi-auto they do 11th at Savage I think that's how they did it with that for that ass 17 HMR on the 22 the W HMR that had a delayed system but a little bit different but if you look at the way the nine millimeters are coming out now on these other systems are some really made like that system you showed there
The ballistics he related (128 gr. @ 1470 f/s) are redolent of what is obtained by the 9x23 Winchester in a full-length 1911A1. That's well short of the "intermediate rifle" rounds fielded by Germany & the soviets, but a step ahead of anything else shot from a SMG. The platform & cartridge are, at best, 200 yard weapons, but I'd bet it's easier to connect past 100 yards with one of these than nearly any other SMG, maybe even easier than with the U.S. M1 carbine.
The ungainly folding butt stock & fold-up magazine may facilitate transport, but they both look like obstacles to quick deployment. Maybe that would go away with greater familiarization, I dunno. I know that I'll never get to shoot one enough to find out.
Even so, there's nothing very implausible about a select-fire pistol-caliber carbine firing 9x23 Winchester from a locked (please, GOD!) breech. THAT might be a game-changer for certain situations. I'm no gunsmith, but I'd be surprised if an AR or AK platform (preferably, the latter) couldn't be so modified
I never thought,that Hungary made a SMG.
A very nice sub gun!
Very cool gun. I would love to see some video of it shooting. I wonder what the effective range would be.