Vivi's Ancestor & Connection to IMU!!
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- Thoughts on if IMU is in fact Lily Nefeltari or has another connection to her? What is in the contents of the letter that was passed down through Alabasta royalty? Does Vivi have possession of the letter?
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00:00 - INTRO
01:04 - Lily Nefeltari
10:20 - Lily's Letter
14:51 - IMU
24:55 - Amazon Lily
28:51 - Alabasta History
34:23 - URCHIN FACTS
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Cobra - "Could I have some extra salt?"
Gorosei - "We're all out."
Cobra - "Could you check?"
Imu - "No."
Sabo: I got some salt...Oh you finished your food.
@@killerbee1974 Morgans - "Here is your receipt sir."
Imu appearing out of the blue like “neighbor can I have a pound of coffee” and Cobra is like “wait, the apartment next to mine has not been cohabitated for 800 years”
IM Sama (Throws King Cobra into the sea): There! Have all the salt in the world Zehahahahahahahah!
@@omkr0122 Flaem Imperor Soba: That's... an ominous laugh, if I ever heard one- WAIT. I heard that laugh before, it's-!!!
Eem: * *_-stare-_* *
Sboa: Welp, Gotta go! Cya, suckaaaaz!
Lili being erased from history after the Void Century reminds me of the Female Pharaoh Hatshepsut, who had many of her statues and records destroyed by her grandson.
There is a whole pharaoh named Nefertari and also Nefertiti I’m sure a lot of the story is based on Egyptian history
my theory is that cobra already gave vivi the letter, and that’s why she’s with morgan’s right now. morgan’s publishes the letter to the entire world and that kicks off more countries joining the revolution
Okay so here is a thought….
Vivi, when she is shown to be with Morgans, was not crying and he had mentioned how until a day ago she was crying. Vivi seemed as though she had some sort of newly discovered motivation after the death of her father. Could it be that by the time we have seen her she already read the letter and that’s what snapped her out of her grief for her father?
Or if that Vivi we saw isn't actually her but Imu in disguise due to their Resemblance.....
@@user-ns2ku3zz7p hold on guys let him cook
@@dRac_XII no thats a trash theory. Kick him outta the kitchen!
Damn it stinks in here
@@user-ns2ku3zz7p no that's not it
I feel like I should make it clear my comment was a typo what I'm responding to is stupid as hell
I think the swords were not to pledge to not sit on the empty throan, but its to pledge loyalty to Imu Sama as the ruler of the world, thats why she didnt comply.
That sword Imu has 3 things come to mind 1. That’s the sword of Lily 2. He took the sword from Lily 3. It’s just a random sword
Imu is Mimi, Lili's daughter.
wait this could make sense because imu would have a reason to become evil since they killed her mom or exiled her
No its Mimi’s daughter Gigi
@@kozukitonio740then why work for the same government that killed your mother , if anything if imu is the daughter of lili then it’ll make more sense if imu is more of a doflamingo type of character someone who enjoys the perks of being the very top of the world let’s say imu killed lili kinda how mingo did his father but imu showed a incredible amount of will that the og five elders also bend the knee to her
No I'm pretty sure her name was Kiki not Mimi, not be confused with Qiqi that's Titi's grandmother.
Imu is definitely qiqi lili's mom she wanted to become the queen of the whole world but lily wanted to leave and her son never wanted to have anything with her from the start
The fact that in the same chapter we have Charlos, a tenryuubito, being all creepy with Shirahoshi, a princess, is in my opinion a hint from from Oda that the whole Im/Lili situation is likely the same here or at least very similar, so I assume that Im was likely a creep that was obsessed with Lili and did...some neferious stuff to her which didn't allow her to come back to Alabasta.
Thats a very good point.
I would very much like (well not 'like', but you know what I mean) Imu, or his ancestors r***** lili, the Nefelatri progenitor.
Considering we are exploring some incredibly dark themes in recent times, and as you said in the same chapter we have Charlos trying to "ride" shirohoshi against her will. **** Is in some ways, the ultimate abuse of power & is used as a mechanism to devalue a human. For the entirety of Imus (if he is not immortal) to be the descendants of a ****ist is basically an allegory of the world governments '****' of the world with its heavenly tributes and unjust rule.
The Nefelatri family being the ONLY family to not join the celestial dragons being the VICTIMS. Again is another allegory of the victims being pretty much isolated from their circle, and when they try to speak up against it, much like cobra is now, they end up being called a liar of worse, in some cases much like cobra now. Dead.
Obviously it's a shonen. They won't outright say this, but I think the subliminal messages are there that this could of happened.
Yooo truuu
Lili is the person in the freezer
The Amazon Lily connection becomes a bit more pointed if we consider Hippolyta the queen of the Amazons as a potential parallel to Lili.
Now that you think about it, Vivi and Lili have parallels because to the world they both went missing and only a few know where they are after they went missing. One writes the letter and the other finds it.
Tekking is the only one-piece tuber that incorporates his love of history the way he does in such a engaging way.
His appreciation of the real life connections makes me appreciate them when I otherwise wouldn't have.
I still believe Cobra went into the meeting knowing he was going to die. Someone was listening in as well as Im. That, or he knew that asking the questions he is asking will have answers followed by death. A respected King being killed after going in to see the Gorosei would be tricky to explain?
I just wanna say… thank you for all the great content tekking been watching since 2016-17 and you’ve got me through a lot. So even if you don’t see this I still wanna tank you. Have an amazing day sir
I concur. He was a little too autistic for me back then but once the on the spectrum video editing disappeared, it got significantly better lol
Why send a tank?
@@Hc2p3n4t4rp It might be useful. Neighbors may be worried that their odd neighbor now has a tank, but I trust him to be responsible with it.
@@xoav fair enough
I can’t wait for Vivi to reunite with the Strawhats, going to be a very emotional moment
I think it would be really interesting if Imu is a descendent of Lili. Maybe their real name is Nefertari Imu. It would also make sense why Imu had a picture of Vivi because Vivi is where Imu would be right now if Lili did go back to Alabasta. Lilies also mean “mother” or “motherhood” and it would make sense if that was Lili's meaning because isn't the theory that Imu is named "Imu" because it's Umi, japanese for "sea" backwards. And Imu is being thought of as "Mother Sea," like Gaia is "Mother Earth." Because a big concept in mythology around the world is the primordial sea so Oda could be pulling Imu’s inspiration from that. I also think Imu being Vivi’s distant cousin makes Vivi even more likely to become a full-time member of the Straw Hats.
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No it wouldn't make sense, how would that even make sense m
It's not clear who vivi's ancestors is
Lily or her brother
LILI and VIVI in Roman numerals are 5151 and 5151. Maybe there's a connection here!
My theory is also mythology based but focused on the Greek myth of Uranus and Gaia. In Greek myth (where the names of the Ancient Weapons originates) Gaia is the goddess of Earth and mother and/or wife of Uranus the god of heaven with whom she had 18 children (18 children and 2 parents = 20, as in 20 founders, huh). Uranus hated his children (didn't Tom teach us to never hate out creations?) And locked them away inside of Earth, which is called Tartarus, something that Gaia hated. Gaia then told her youngest son Cronus to castrate Uranus, to separate Heaven from Earth. Cronus then became king and he sort of became his father, corrupted, he too hated his kids and swallowed them up, but was fooled and swallowed a stone instead of Zeus. Zeus then grew up without Cronus knowledge and grew strong enough to force Cronus to spit out his siblings which all waged war on Cronus and won. With Cronus defeated a new era began which was a golden age for mortals. Long story short... Lili is the body of Uranus that is controlled by one of the 20 founders, Cronus. In this case then Luffy would be representative of Zeus (Luffy recently grabbed a bolt of lightning). So I think that maybe Imu is one of the 20 founding kings thats forced a previous user of the Ope Ope no Mi to use the personality switch on Imu and Lili, so that Imu is in controll of Lilis body as Lilis body holds the powers of Uranus and is the National Treasure of Mary Geoise that Doffy talked about, and then that body was made immortal with the immortality operation. Which would make Law the key to defeating Imu, if the user of the Ope Ope no Mi not only can make someone immortal but take the immortality away from them too.
I have a theory regarding the world nobles. They were originally fighter type characters but due to being inactive for generations they look weaker and weaker as time goes by. But they are really strong or have the capacity to be strong example is doflamingo if he was raised in marejois he would not be looking like that.
Yeah I believe there's a kind of special Baptizing ritual that can be done on these Celestial Dragons that could put them at their natural biological Prime condition. It's something the Holy Knights & The Gorosei all know that they have as a trump card along with the Seraphim.
Haki is literally just willpower. A specific kind of mindset has real, tangible power in the world of One Piece. Realistically, all of nobles probably have conqueror's haki, because they genuinely believe that it is their birthright to rule.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 - There’s a difference between believing it’s your right to rule and actually having the cojones to do it. You see it with plenty of rich kids, sitting on their trust funds, waiting for the opportunity to start running their parents’ multi million dollar empire. They may like to brag how their parent/grandparent/distant ancestor started from nothing and built their business to what it is today, but how many of them are going to use even a portion of the money they already have access to to start their own business empire to try and rival what came before?
@@CJ-442 We see constant examples of the world nobles getting themselves way over their heads because of their insistence on maintaining the disposition of a king in the face of imminent death. What they lack is the courage to *not* rule.
If the anime ever shows a scene of Vivi reading the letter and then looking shocked, then Someone should turn that into a meme template.
love that your videos are still entertaining. you never lost your energy which is so good to see, how could you with how exciting this series is getting haha
I feel like our options are either Imu being Lily herself, her descendant, or some freak from back in the day who was in obsessed with her.
I guess they could also be her husband. I feel like we've gotta capitalize on the idea that the Nefetari family did not put a sword before the Empty Throne.
Or her twin
I'm thinking that lily will turn out to be the first ruler of amazon lily and she got lost on the way back to Alabasta. This makes even more sense when u realize amazon lily is in the calm belt and there for is really difficult to travel to or from and that she probably got ship wreaked there. With Imu i feel like there is going to be a thing where Imu loved lily but lily loved joyboy or something and was so heart broken because Imu is going to be the person who killed him or something like that.
Lily being Imu is not true. Vivi family is viewed as traitors by the Gorosei who know who Imu is. Also why leave a letter to your own family & give information about the family of D? Then kill them when they question it? Zero sense. All I got from it is Imu is an immortal who knew Lily who left a big impression on him/her.
@@davidortiz3094 open your mind man, the letter didn't have to come directly from her. We do not have enough information here to assume it was Lily that made that letter.
Theres more options we just have to dig deep for any forshadowing, only forshadowing i can find to Im's identity is being a Personification of the Sea, we need more info on the void century to see more key characters tho to make more sense of who Im could be
Surprised more people aren’t talking about the possibility that the swords aren’t really a pledge to the empty throne but to Imu. After all, we only get told by the world government what the swords are for, and they don’t have the best track record with sharing the truth. Maybe Lily didn’t refuse to pledge to the empty throne but refused to pledge to Imu.
Yup
If Lily is the founder of Amazon Lily, there's a possibility that Vivi is related to some of characters from Amazon Lily, maybe Bao and her sisters or Shakky or Gloriosa.
Or the empress between Boa and Shakky which agewise could be Luffy's mom or Crocodile, personally i think Croc is Luffy's aunt, which makes Alabasta a huge complex family feud.
“Family feuds” like what happened in Alabasta occurred quite a few times in real life. Power corrupts.
There are two thoughts I have about Lili's 'appearance' and the Gorosei's reactions.
1: What if Lili had children who were the ancestors of Boa Hancock and Nico Robin? 800 years is a LONG time to have possible descendants and who might be distantly related.
2: The Gorosei might be outright lying about not knowing about Lili's fate, OR they could be like the Jedi Council in the Prequel series "If it's not in our records, it doesn't exist." 800 years is a long time for information to be destroyed to keep whatever truth is hidden.
Black hair, blue eyes and big titties. Checks out 👍🏼
Why Nico Robin?
@@juanescobar1735 He’s suggesting that they’re related.
@@yannitsagarakis215 i know, but why?
Probably because Oda designs women similarly
Love the video and keep up the great work tekking
Thank you for the Video! I always enjoy watching your videos! I am very interested to more of the connection between Imu and Lili!
Hey Tekking love your videos, I have an interesting Theory about Imu that I havent seen anyone else talk about anywhere. What if the reason the original 19 kings didnt return home is because they are all Imu. Imu is the collective intelligence of all 19 Kings who swore their lives to the World Government, No one king will ever sit atop of the throne but a collective maybe? Sort of an Imu is Legion kind of angle. Could have used some sort of Devil fruit or Tech from the ancient Kingdom. The Reason they could be obsessed with Lili could just be that she didnt join them and now they feel incomplete without her. Just a wild thought that popped into my head.
I like this idea tbh, like Imu is one big hivemind and Lili is the piece that got away...
Cobra got shocked seeing imu look just like vivi, also if you Google image search blue lily crown Egypt, there is this crown that looks just like Imus crown
Interesting seeing oda bring the lore we heard in alabasta around the story with the celestial dragons and now the D
We know oda was planning for crocodile to be the major point to his story before he expanded it so it's a great feel to long time fans to see.
That's how I got a few kids into One Piece.
They complained that it was too long, and I said "Everything and everyone comes back later. It's a giant build-up for something".
...except for Gin, but they don't need to know that.
@@teIekid most people like immediate satisfaction rather than slow burn as if they wasted their time and it didn't end good it'd be better to just see something that starts and ends
One piece usually gets that hate for being long but it actually does good work with the arcs all being unique and even when oda had a slight slump the plot points for the overall story come together perfectly
Just leaving this comment to support the channel. This second sentence is an attempt to provide more engagement. But on the subject of the sea urchins, they’re wild little buggers. Super cool you touched on them
11:36 - we actually do see Cobra stand at the Reverie when he and King Riku were going to give their reasons for abolishing the warlord system.
Yea 1084 happened after the round table I think
tekking you need to look into similarities and opposites with the new 4 emperors it's really interesting how it weaves when you look at ideas and how they got where they are
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The sun above the ram looks like luffy sitting on going merry!
Plot twist: Vivi has the letter and gives it to Morgans and he publishes it in the news, thrusting the whole world into war as the Gorosei go on a rampage lmfao
I'm SUPERRR excited!!
14:00 I chortled thinking Cobra actually said that. 17:05 And one king had a butter knife, and a sewing needle!
I love the videos I just don’t know how I feel about making the thumbnail a spoiler, keep it up tho!!!
Adding to the Nefertari / Amazon Lily connexion :
Vivi's weapon of choice, possibly a traditional weapon passed down the royal family line, are her peacock slashers, in Japanese Kujakkī slashers => there's the Kuja.
Regarding the whole thing about the 20 Monarchs laying down their swords in front of the empty throne, I could also imagine a scene where, Lili, the last monarch to walk up to the throne, suddenly realizes that she in a room along with every single world ruler, and she's the only one to still have a sword in her hand... And thus Imu-sama took power.
I really liked this videos ❤
Loved the thumbnail.
Another possibility is that Lily was immortal (someone performing the immortality surgery on her or some other reason) and Imu had the body swapping power used to steal her immortal body. Doflamingo talked about how he wanted to use Law's devil fruit for its body swapping ability.
This is what I'm leaning towards. A if I cant have you nobody can/ we'll always be together kinda mindset.
Yup I think Imu personality soul and body switching swapping Lily.
@Giwrgos Petrou Yes he did. Go re-read chapter 761.
Robin: “The ancient weapon is in Wano”
Crocodile:”…… Fuck”
- As for the letter I have a theory where yes Cobra did give it to Vivi but similarly to Luffy’s -3D-2Y message to the others there will be a hidden message explaining what happened to Lili, & once Vivi reunites with the Straw Hats then Robin will decode it maybe finding some differences in historical events
- Now I do like the idea that Lili & Amazon Lily have a connection but before this I thought the reason why Amazon Lily was called this because it’s a pun on the Japanese word for Lily that being “Yuri” which fits with the Kuja are in love with Hancock
We both live in pa and by your comments we live in similar climates and thank goodness it's finally feeling like spring
This is my first time watching onr of your videos and I loved it!
I also wanted to share an idea that came to me while watching the video, it has probably already been said but i haven't heard of it yet; so everything we know of the formation of the WG comes from the WG's records, we don't know what Robin has so far read on the Poneglyphis so we don't have outside confirmation of the official history; we now know that a first big lie lays at the base of the WG, they empty throne is not empty; if we go along the fake-history line of thought the kingdoms that pledged allegiance could very well have been conquered; first question, why would the founding mornarchs gave up their position as rulers, to live on top of the red line, if they joined just to defeat the Ancient Kingdom? They won the war they could go backbto their homeland and continue to be kings and queens.
Why was Lili allowed to do as she pleased? These type of agreements work only if everyone partecipates so if one doesn't they are already undermining the organisation;
My idea is that the monarchs where in fact conquered by Lili's husband, the king of Alabasta which would parallel to Ramses II, husband of Nefertiti. The 20th sword is not Lili's but Imu's and was never put there because he is the winner, the ancient kingdom was the only opposition and was eventually defeated, lili understood how evil her husband was and left, protecting knowledge from the ancient kingdom within alabasta.
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The frame of Imu at 2:21 was a nice touch
I can't stop imagining Robin spinning madly like "Ah yes, the great emperor Goku of Arabasta..." and it gets funnier and funnier with every passing second.
It is interesting that you bring up Amazon Lily. I just got through watching a TH-camr named 333VIL, who had a video talking about Luffy's mother maybe being the unnamed ruler of AL before Hancock. I know these are theories and we have to wait for Oda to confirm who IM is, and if Luffy's mother will ever be introduced. I am so excited for Vivi to reunite with the Strawhats, that is for sure 💙👒
if I'm not mistaken ..the women of Amazon lily can only give birth to other women so luffys mom can't be from Amazon lily
@@mugiwara_k9283 Where did you read this? I am curious 🤔
There's one major issue I have with the Amazon Lily theory:
Lili/Lily's name is spelled リリ, while the Lily in Amazon Lily is spelled リリー
Edit: Lily's name is actually spelled リリィ, I must've misread it
Amazon Lily theory is a go
Don't know nothing about Kanji, but question: could that be considered a technicisim?
I think this small difference could make it even more possible. Just think about some other mispellings in the story, like: Gold Roger/Gol D Roger, Luffy/Lucy.
kanji looks like two eyes and amazon lily has a line by it ... maybe the scar that the D's bear on the face?
Actually, that's incorrect. Lily is actually closest to the pronunciation. Lily's name is written in katakana. Lili/Riri would be simply two characters リリ. Similar to Vivi (ビビ). Her mother, Titi, needs 4 characters for hers, but the idea is the same (ティティ)
Lily here is actually written as リリィ, which tells us that the 'i' sound at the end of her name is elongated rather than cut short like Vivi's is. Lily in Amazon Lily is written like this: リリー. Which while written differently, phonetically makes the same sound so both can be translated as "Lily". Because this is katakana, there can be multiple ways the English name is written but it would be pronounced closer to Lily rather than "LeeLee". You can write it as both versions if you want though. The scans talk about this too, and the official went with the usual spelling of Lily to probably avoid confusion on the pronunciation.
@@jenniferjacobs7873 ngl, "Lily here is actually written as リリィ" would've been more than enough
Just went back to double-check the wiki because I could've sworn last time I checked it it only said リリ but I guess I misread it
Robin reads history to Crocodile
Crocodile: I don't care. Tell me about Pluton
Robin: The real ancient weapons are the friends you made along the way.
Crocodile: Friendship is for nerds!
2 years later:
Crocodile: Crap im a nerd!
Imu: sees swords on the throne
IM THE BONE OF MY SWORD
How may times do we have to go over this? The D. stands for Tenacious D!
The 19 kings weren’t pledging allegiance that no one person was gonna be the true ruler , they pledged their loyalty to Imu by stabbing the swords in front of his throne and the one sword by Lili is because she wouldn’t pledge allegiance to Imu.
Holy shit
That does sound quite possible. A good theory.
Is what I think happened too
I don't think they knew of Imu's existence
That would make a lot of sense.
That thumbnail made my hand cramp up ngl
I have always wondered why is imu ruling the world when all the kings pledged not to sit in the throne. Maybe all of the monarch got betrayed by imu and got assassinated but lili escaped and wrote a letter and got killed later.
This could be possible, great thought. It made think that Imu may have been there before the monarchs even. Lili's brother inherting the throne does show that monarchs could have been killed and their family still carried on. The swords could just be trophies even, with one getting away.
You make a great point. Did the map look the same during the lost century? Was the world always shaped like a big oceanic one-way obstacle course, or remade that way somehow?
I agree. The world government may have trapped all the bigger sea kings in the grand line and flooded the earth to seperate the power of the other goverments. Probably through controling the will of the world/God given the Seraphim may have ruled the earth at one point.
Interesting how much Alabasta predates the Void/Blank Century, yet it's still part of the World Government. Not to mention the Nefertari family is probably the longest- ruling dynasty in One Piece.
haha that's funny. i looked at your channel to see if you have uploaded like minutes before this was uploaded XD
These connection threads are fascinating.
Crocodile vs Kaido sounds like a fun time.
Something I've been thinking about, and it keeps making a lot of sense, is that the 20 kings we all pirates, or Pirate Kings who ruled over certain islands/territories. If you think about how the Tontatta describe times before the Riku family the terrorizing and enslaving is very much a pirate trait, the idea of demanding tribute that the Celestial Dragons do is also very much in line with pirates taking money for protection from themselves, and the Celestial Dragons are very much into doing what they want and taking what they want, because they have the power to do so. This would also explain why their origins needed to be scrubbed from the historical record as the people wouldn't accept a government run by pirates. This would also make the Nefertari family pirates, but we also know that from Oda the concept of good pirates (Peace Mains in the original Romance Dawn) and bad pirates (Morganeers) and the Nefertari family would likely have been more benevolent, or they were bad until Lily's time.
The idea would be that the Lunarians were defeated at the beginning of the Void Century plunging the world into chaos where pirates took over carving up territories and having great ambitions (haki). The 20 kings could have been united by a Davy Back fight to oppose Joy Boy who wanted to free the world. Once they won they created the world government under Imu and scrubbed all record of their being pirates so they could declare themselves benevolent gods. If Lily was a pirate and she escaped to form Amazon Lily it would make sense why the Kuja became an island of pirates since they were founded by one.
Interesting.
I still hold firm on the belief that imu is from the void century and was made immortal through the op op fruit. Perhaps someone closely related to joy boy but betrayed him at some point which resulted in the celestial dragons winning in the end.
this is a bit of a crazy theory but given how the guards could referred to an IT in phantom room it could refer to IM which adds to my theory that IM is based of Yimir the hermaphroditic giant from Norse creation myth and as the Japanese theorised the use of an ancient user of the hormone fruit to allow the Kuja Tribe to have babies and only female babies perhaps this user turned IM into a hermaphrodite and perhaps Oda used this famous quote of Queen Elizabeth the I to make Lilli a hermaphrodite "I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman; but I have the heart and stomach of a king, and of a king of England too".
There really are just so many interesting theories about this situation. It makes me really curious to know the truth.
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If Lili is an ancestor of Vivi that looks a lot like her and follows the naming scheme of Vivi and Titi, wouldn’t that imply that Titi is actually the direct descendent of the Nefertari lineage and Cobra just married into the family? I mean clearly Vivi inherited her looks from her mom’s side so for them to be passed all the way from Lili that would mean that Titi is also a descendent of Lili right?
That would mean that the family tree that was established before is wrong and Vivi inherits the Nefertari name from her mom’s side instead if her dad. It also implies that Cobra has only ruled Alabasta after Titi passed so at most 18 years.
Or maybe it’s like the real life pharaohs were they constantly marry into their own family.-_-
The Pharaohs would marry and the spouse would generally be the co-ruler. So Cobra and Titi would have ruled together until she died.
It could have been a branch family that remarried into the main Nefertari line hundreds of years later.
Could be that there are a lot of unrelated women with that naming pattern and the kings have a hereditary thing for that.
@@josephdavis9234 But if the Naming scheme is unrelated, than Vivi AND Titi looking like Lili would be inplausible. I think we can make it work that Titi and Cobra are decendants of Lili, without any inc**t. Cobra probably was part of the rulers family, while Titi was part of one of the nobility families of Alabasta. Noble families are mostly connected among eachother bloodwise. Titi's family could be an offshoot of the Nefertari family, split 100-800 years ago, and that would lead that Titi, someone looking like Lili, and Cobra, a direct decendantof Lili, could produce Vivi
This video gave me a couple ideas:
1. What if the 20 monarch didn’t pledge their allegiance to the empty throne but instead pledged their allegiance to Imu and they just left it empty symbolically.
2. What if Imu was one of the original 20 monarchs and had the OP OP fruit surgery to live forever and just rules from the background since they’re an OG
King Cobra: So there is nothing about Lili? Well thank you for your time Gorosei.
Oh, just one more thing. You see, there is this letter passed down through my line for the last 800 years.
"Is that so, lutenant king Cobrambo?"
hey Tekking, I know you dont ever do this but could you react or give your thoughts on Brago D Ace's thoughts on Shanks' power scaling that he did recently
Awesome!
The only thing that makes sense, is that the rune that Zoro, Chopper and Luffy found would have been the info they hid and kept underground and chosen by said brother to keep from the records.
I do like hearing your perspective on the One Piece world Tekking. You probably already know this, but with the introduction of the Seraphim in Wano that has opened the door to the Land of the Gods being ruled by or gaurded by them in the past. If the word holds the same meaning in our world. They could have served the will of will of D and ruled the world before the celestial dragons. A D looks like a partial Eclipse and the Seraphim resemble such with the flames behind their white hair. This could explain why an immortal rules over the World Government as well, they are likely trying to keep peace using the same power somehow. Now I am not that well versed in One Piece History, but Imu could even be Joyboy. He could have seen the world needed order and that is why he became Imu by some means. The possible ritual that I have mentioned before could have fused him with the Will of the World/God. Imu's first apperance was looking at the old straw hat. He could just be a fraction, a shadow of his former self. That may be why Lili did not pledge to the empty throne after seeing freedom become the same thing they set out to destory. This all speculation and wild assumptions, again not a lore expert.
I just had an idea, all the princesses in one piece have the same body type cuz they’re all distantly related to the nefeltari’s.
We’re already got Vivi and Boa, now stretch it to all the rest of ‘em
No that's just one piece women design.
@@jeremiahwarden5959 i-it’s a joke
Same scene, the 19 Kings plunge their swords in front of the Empty Throne. If Lily is Imu, she instead approaches the throne, looks back at the kings, smiles and sits on the throne instead
That 2:19 edit is so sick
The transport that Lili was using was most likely ambushed in the calm belt as retaliation to not laying down her sword in servitude to Im. Hope we get to see the flashback to these void century events!
She lives in paradise, no need to cross calm belt
I'm starting to think none of the ponelgyphs Robin encountered over the years referenced advanced technology because in egg head it's kinda a surprising technology was this advanced 800 years prior
Crazy theory what if pell is a gods/holy knight and he's the one that killed Cobra and finally give us a reason on how he survived an entire nuke also explain how vivi got kidnapped if they were ordered to go back a watch over her
A bit out there, but an interesting idea. Extreme deep undercover. I don't think it is likely to happen, but it would be a heck of twist.
The thing is, we only know that Lily mentioned the will of D. It might be a warning to her brother seeing as they are both royals hence, still a danger to them both, OR it could be a missive of hope. If Lily is Imu it's very likely the former, and she was erased from history so that no one may know of Im's existencr since their names and identities are tied. She might still hold some affection for her brother so she does not attack Alabasta or maybe some sort of compromise or promise was made there. Sorta leaning into Lily is Im but I guess I can see that it can be a massive red herring
IMU has Tekking's voice confirmed
Tekking has maxed out future sight, confirmed🤯
We need a new series called mythology is everything.
Umi is always watching through tekings eyes
If Imu is Lili (or her daughter Mimi) it could be the Kaguya twist done right.
For fun theory: Let´s say Kings of the World were powerwise 20 top chacters of Void Century who relied on their strength to take down previous corrupt system. Great conflicts in One Piece world are always decided based on individual strength of small number of people, rather than conventional armies. This must have been so in Void Century as well. And if evil previous system was Lunarian nation all-along, considering how powerful lunarians are, then 20 monarchs must´ve been strong indeed.
After the war, they have big, One-Piece style party as always with dance (Nika?), alcohol and merrymaking. Lili, however, does not drink at all for the entire night.
In hangover day, kings and queens pledge their weapons for the Empty Throne as a sign they will never use violence again. At that moment in the ceremony, Lili, only sober person, would have had the golden chance to kill her un-armed collegues, if she was only one still carrying a blade and others had their guard down. She would also violate probably biggest taboo in One-Piece, betraying trust of people who you have drank and partied with. It would be like Zoro killing everyone when they are incapacited after the party in Dressrosa or Wano.
Oda was famously inspired by Red Wedding, so it would be interesting if World Government´s roots lie in betrayal of similar caliber, aka, betrayal in celebratory event..
After that, Lili would just settle down on Empty Throne and no-one could make her leave, considering everyone who were capable of defeating her are now dead.
Only children of the 20 Kings remained, and Imu, Mother Umi or Mother Sea, probably raised them as Celestial Dragons and they became pampered tyrants we know them now. So first generation of celestial dragons considered her a mother figure of sorts.
If Luffy and Blackbeard should symbolize (light)positive and (black)destructive freedom to its fullest, then Imu should symbolize (black)negative control, while her descendant Vivi symbolizes (white)positive control that makes civilized life possible. (Luffy would not be a good option to run a nation.)
In this context Imu being a woman is not surprising, as Oda has said Luffy´s mother should not make appearence because mother-figures in adventure story would remove freedom from the main character.
Perhaps it was subtle hint that a mother-figure did indeed remove freedom from the world and Mother Umi´s "children", celestial dragons, symbolize her negative control all over the world. Only pirates, who operate beyond the law, escape tendrils of Imu´s negative control.
This an amazing theory. I completely agree with the idea that the Lunarians once the world. The world may have been mostly land and the World Government altered it so that the lunarians could not fly around freely.
The mother of Celestial Dragons for Imu is really cool. It would explain why they see everyone as beneath them. Many things are like freedom, only a generation away. Their ideaologies coukd have been warped easily as they had no connection to thier families that saved the world.
Finally, I wasn't aware of the Oda mother character freedom connection. This would be really cool symbolism for a character aiming to be the saviour of the world by taking away freedom.
Interesting. The Main Theme of this Series is Freedom Liberty Liberation Vs Authority or Absolute Control Power Tyranny.
12:13. Ok, so I've been noticing two things I haven't noticed you mention (unless I missed it), two things I have noticed after 1084 specifically... one is that people are assuming Vivi is going to Egghead. It's certainly plausible, I can't recall or find anything specifically mention the direction of the WEC. And two, people are referring to Vivi as a sitting/current member of the Straw Hats instead of a former member as I had always heard prior...
Sounds like you also think Vivi is being set up to reunite and rejoin the Straw Hats. Certainly very likely. I think the big thing is if Imu is indeed Lily, or what Vivi says as she escapes Mariejois. I'm sure well find out in the next couple chapters.
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The question people should be asking but I haven’t seen yet is how was the government able to beat joyboy. Cause if he was basically luffy way back, then he’d have the ability to have people join him outta their own free will. That’s what was said about luffy, his most powerful trait is he wins the hearts of people and gets them to join his side. That plus the nika nika fruit being used by somebody at its highest level is almost impossible to beat. So I’m guessing they used some underhanded method to beat them. And that’s gonna be the same situation the straw hats will be in end game
The Amazon Lily connection actually gives me goosebumps.
I really dont get it, is it really just because Cobra is named Cobra? Thats a huuge stretch
@@surgrus4367 there's more to it depending on if Oda goes this route or not. I'm just on the hype train my friend
There is a game where you sorta collect Sea Urchins. To send anyone down a trip to memory lane... "You found another Purple Sea Urchin!"
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Anyone else hope Lili is not Imu, and great video always by Tek.
i respect this so hard
It mentions the D got me dying 😂
Oh boi here i go watching tekkin again.
0:59 Your god dame right Tekking
Here's my take. All the celestial dragons know about Imu. 800 years ago at the formation of the WG, one amongst them was chosen to receive immortality to properly watch over the world, as the celestial dragons of today would clearly never be able to do what Imu does. They obviously chose the strongest, smartest, and most tactically gifted of the group, Which was Lily. And the reason she never put her sword before the throne, besides being the ruler, was that for her the war never ended, only shifted to a new one. From a direct conflict, to an 800 year cold war. The story of her "returning to Alabasta" was always just that, a story/cover up that Lily took over and became Imu.
I can definitley this as a possiblilty. It is a cool idea that one of the founding members had to take on the role of the immortal Imu to keep peace.
Do you think there is a parallel between what happened with lili and the cp agents that got captured at egghead?
So if we carry on the thought of being Egyptian themed and also amazon lily ties you could maybe say that the snake fruit imu poses could make mythical snake deity model "apep" an Egyptian foe of the sun god in this case luffy
Makes sense as Apep is the True Greatest Arch-Enemy of Ra the Sun God.
Imu being Umi (Sea in japanese) backwards has always been so interesting to me. Almost makes me wonder if Imu has a water devil fruit of some sort and that is part of the reason why Devil Fruit users cannot swim.
that's retarded.
Na bro that's not how Japanese works
@@WoWisEZMode Imagine thinking Oda does things only if it works in the Japanese language.
@@WoWisEZMode Oda writes his manga with more than 1 language in mind. Sometimes, Japanese readers can figure something out that English readers cant, because of Japanese wordplay/implications. Sometimes, English readers can figure something out that Japanese readers cant, because of English wordplay/implications.
While Imu backwards in Japanese would be Mui, in English it doesnt. It would be perfectly logical for Oda to hide Umi inside Imu by using the english language.
@Preddy-O Fair enough, but the theory is quite annoying when coupled with the fact that most Western OP fans don't know how Kanji and katakana work and just insist that they're right. 😅 If Oda does theories using the English language then I'll wait but I don't think we've seen something like it just yet.
Really odd question but did you take a vacation to florida?
I hope Cobra has some thing up his sleeve, I do wonder if we are going to get a page of the void centaury next chapter
Stocks on this video going up day by day